#Team Comtress 2 Megathread - It's finally here
shell temple
eternal jungle
HighlightBuildPoints just shows the blueprint doens't it
I don't think it does anything else
chilly nova
hold on i'll test that
eternal jungle
It just shows the blueprint model if you're allowed to build
otherwise it shows the can't build thingy
it's like a red x or something can't really remember
chilly nova
hm
shell temple
eternal jungle
yeah
that's all highlightbuildpoints does, right?
is change between the white outline and the red x
wheat herald
wouldnt the easiest way be to just place the building back down and then attach it to the engineer and make it intangible?
umbral siren
the x marking the spot
eternal jungle
guys i think mcoms is typing
wheat herald
yay!!
tight nexus
doesn't the game have a function to detect if a player is in a respawnroom?
shell temple
0.15.0
Funny Experimental Changes
Teleporter
- Now upgrades passively, at a rate of 50 metal every 5 seconds
- Max level increased to 10, but Engineers cannot upgrade past level 3
- Levels past 3 exponentially improve teleporter cooldown rate, but do not increase health
- This makes a teleporter that remains alive an ever increasing threat that must be destroyed with greater urgency
- Teleporter cooldown now increases for each successive teleport within 5 seconds, to prevent flooding a single teleporter and requiring teams to maintain multiple teleporters to sustain teleporter rates
Dispenser
- Engineer now backpacks his dispenser, making it active while hauled, healing and replenishing ammo/metal to nearby allies
- Will be destroyed if the engineer dies
- Can use all weapons while hauling a dispenser
- To place the backpacked dispenser, use the build remote
- All weapons are now eligible to receive ammo/metal from dispensers while active
Short Circuit
- Now applies a stacking damage reduction to projectiles hit, rather than removing the projectiles
- Now always applies self damage to the Engineer upon impact explosion
- Increased damage 15 -> 20
Wrangler
- Removed shield while active
- Made fire rate bonuses actually doubled (including for rockets)
- Shield still comes up and disables Sentry when Wrangler is no longer active
General Changes
- Improved how some settings are set for user by default
- Set default volume to 0.5
- Made buildings consistently take damage like players (rounding up damage and health)
- Made various healing/ammo effects consistent
- Improved performance of some math functions
- Improved default keybinds (thanks @tight nexus!)
tight nexus
but can you use the ` to open the console?
tight nexus
for some reason in the main menu only function keys work
shell temple
yes
shell temple
i gave up
eternal jungle
:(
river iris
why am i stuck in first person while taunting, is that a balance change
chilly nova
github actions for the linux builds is now live, so you can download the game from https://github.com/mastercomfig/tc2/actions/runs/13513879601/artifacts/2646182987
clever creekBOT
round coyote
its too late to delay the playtest more for it
Wait is it open or closed..?
shell temple
Wait is it open or closed..?
its open
torpid grove
## 0.15.0
### Funny Experimental Changes
**Teleporter**
* Now upgrades passive...
how much glue do you sniff to come up with these balance changes
shell temple
anyone can join
shell temple
how much glue do you sniff to come up with these balance changes
LMAO
maximum amount without dying
torpid grove
maximum amount without dying
bro is a professional beggars bazooka user i see
torpid grove
its required as a game designer to be on crack while making changes
the best mindset
rich moat
wtf i just read those patch notes
tight nexus
@shell temple what about these binds?
rich moat
you really are trying to go for the tf_beta style changes
silver sorrel
## 0.15.0
### Funny Experimental Changes
**Teleporter**
* Now upgrades passive...
engineer is credit to team indeed
round coyote
the best mindset
Nah bro it's epic.
torpid grove
bro imagine a 10x server with these changes
round coyote
bro imagine a 10x server with these changes
nah
river iris
how does anyone open console
river iris
fr?
tight nexus
no wait
chilly nova
how does anyone open console
\
round coyote
Do you open the game with Itch?
tight nexus
i lie, just a weird changelist
chilly nova
indeed!
shell temple
pushing crash fix
chilly nova
midnight surge
tight nexus
i guess tomorrow we'll have an update
halcyon hamlet
I think engineer should not have 200 pistol ammo
round coyote
I think engineer should not have 200 pistol ammo
Yes he should.
river iris
no he needs it
halcyon hamlet
That's powerful
round coyote
It isn't that powerful, and he needs it.
river iris
i think engineer needs an AK-47 copy and pasted straight from csgo
round coyote
Bro watched Voreby and said Engineer's pistol needs a nerf. 😭 🙏
halcyon hamlet
Give engy the gluon gun from half life
shell temple
server back
round coyote
Neato!
river iris
does launching tf2 with -nojoy genuinely make it less fun or is that just a myth someone told me
round coyote
Does this only have changes for Engineer?
storm cargo
yes, keep joy on at all times.
round coyote
Where.. Is everyone..?
river iris
also til that using just retry in the console for the first time attempts to connect to localhost
round coyote
How do I join the server..?
high wigeonBOT
@round coyote has leveled up! (4 ➜ 5)
chilly nova
How do I join the server..?
is tc2 up to date?
round coyote
is tc2 up to date?
I just downloaded it earlier today.
A few hours ago.
Like this server says to do this.
rich moat
it was updated 15 minutes ago
chilly nova
uhh click your profile and click check for updates in that menu
in the top right corner
round coyote
Thanks
fervent steeple
now those are some wacky changes
round coyote
uhh click your profile and click check for updates in that menu
After I do that.. How do I actually join the game..?
Do I type somethingin the consol?
Or join what server..?
rich moat
submitted 2 of my medigun PRs 
chilly nova
After I do that.. How do I *actually join the game..?*
er, it should show up in the server browser if youre up to date
round coyote
Oh sure.. Maybe it isn't.
For some reason it just doesn't pop up here.
And when I search for it, it doesn't pop up.
rich moat
submitted 2 of my medigun PRs <:steamhapp:1133083341726421033>
3rd one (change to what sounds play for whom) is on hold a bit because i'm tired of working on implementing the different ideas I have to try out and one of them isn't working
river iris
game crash
round coyote
river iris
omg its me
round coyote
XD
dusky sapphire
@round coyote while having the itch launcher open click the address bar and paste in this https://mastercoms.itch.io/tc2
and click install (~28 mb)
it should work
note you also need source sdk base 2013 multiplayer (3 gb)
golden gust
this should be pinned
i had no idea how to install it for a bit since i couldn't find a search bar
river iris
perhaps
dusky sapphire
also if you cant launch through the itch launcher try opening the executable in the file directory
round coyote
<@334949333759819779> while having the itch launcher open click the address bar ...
Oh thank you.
dusky sapphire
yw
when we do playtests, we often shut the server down for a quick game update to fix some gamebreaking issues so when that happens, you can right click on the game and click check for updates
mellow rose
Thought this would be more vanilla. Is it the plan to stay as vanilla as possible, to 'upgrade' or create a new game?
mellow rose
Thanks!
dusky sapphire
i had no idea how to install it for a bit since i couldn't find a search bar
i feel like maybe i should make a tutorial video on the installation xd
i feel like the current installation instructions put too much faith on the end user
cause like two people (including you) had no idea how to install to play
i feel like this will help increase the amount of players
dusky sapphire
cuz we need more players for better playtesting
round coyote
Yeah. ^-^
dusky sapphire
since were trying to make fun changes for 12v12
river iris
whats the right channel to talk about tf2 code related stuff
clever creekBOT
dusky sapphire
from what ive seen, this and the other tf2 thread is fine for it
clever creekBOT
dusky sapphire
#programming💻 might be fine too but its been used for mostly general programming things
not rly tf2
chilly nova
whats the right channel to talk about tf2 code related stuff
https://discord.com/channels/389089828249010188/1072696252162117752 or #programming💻
fast terrace
subtick impl should be done today
river iris
long awaited buff to the bat
mellow rose
What's the roadmap for anticheat? This would be a great opportunity to create a module that other variations can use as well 🙂 as a security specialist I would love to help
wheat herald
there's no point to adding an anticheat, users can just be manually banned since all servers will be run across a set of distributed servers
chilly nova
What's the roadmap for anticheat? This would be a great opportunity to create a ...
#1341667410280972299 message
mellow rose
there's no point to adding an anticheat, users can just be manually banned since...
I beg to differ, I don't mean a full anti cheat module, but something that prevents aimbotting for example
golden gust
tc2 should use vanguard
mellow rose
Just might be hard sometimes when Linux is involved :p
golden gust
most of the cheating problem would be gone if we stop involving linux
chilly nova
most of the cheating problem would be gone if we stop involving linux
I will start making cheats for tc2 if linux is dropped
ruby cape
Not like most cheats + cheaters use Windows
It would fix the botting issue if it was still a thing
chilly nova
golden gust
i knew i was on to something
fossil vault
You can run bots just as easily on windows
ruby arrow
tc2 should use vanguard
tc2 should have a backdoor that will blowup your PC if you use cheats
ruby cape
You can run bots just as easily on windows
I was about to type that lmao
golden gust
Not like most cheats + cheaters use Windows
It would fix the botting issue if it...
not all cheaters are linux users, but all linux users are cheaters
ruby arrow
not all cheaters are linux users, but all linux users are cheaters
This is true /srs
/s
I cheat all the time. See, before the match, I practice
so when I finally get to the match, I am prepared ahead of time
ruby cape
not all cheaters are linux users, but all linux users are cheaters
So true how do I toggle mine?
golden gust
so when I finally get to the match, I am prepared ahead of time
might as well have walls at that point
golden gust
So true how do I toggle mine?
i3 keybind
chilly nova
so when I finally get to the match, I am prepared ahead of time
i would never have known unless you said it
ruby arrow
might as well have walls at that point
ruby arrow
i would never have known unless you said it
yes I am very secretive like that
fossil vault
Using Linux is cheating: it's unfair that you get better performance
charred shadow
If we remove linux and dx8 we would have the henry update
golden gust
sex update
golden gust
coming out with dx12 support
ruby arrow
how could you treat me like this
ruby arrow
coming out with dx12 support
does this mean TF2 would get raytracing?
golden gust
yes
ruby arrow
I wanna see heavy's head reflect my scattergun when I blast it
I will airdrop you 50 crunchwraps
for this
eternal jungle
I wanna see heavy's head reflect my scattergun when I blast it
at 12 fps
golden gust
i want to see the reflection of medics in my market gardener
golden gust
at 12 fps
erm acshtually i get a full 60 with 720p upscale through dlss 4 on my 6090 ti
ruby arrow
Yeah guys
the rtx 5070 performs like a 4090
the future is so awesome
god bless our AI overlords
golden gust
wonder how intel’s gpus will be
and if they’re actually decent on linux
it’d be nice to have something good on both platforms
ruby arrow
I think Intel still has a lot of work to do
Since they're rewriting their kernel driver
ruby arrow
or, making a new one for their newer GPUs, getting rid of the cruft of their APU focussed i915 driver
ruby arrow
Arent nvidia gpus literally fine on linux
They have problems with Wayland
frozen hound
what is the tc2 server ip?
ruby arrow
and kind of exist in a parallel ecosystem from the rest of the graphics stack
eternal jungle
what is the tc2 server ip?
169.254.{0-255}.{0-255}:{0-65535} 
frozen hound
thats the default windows one or something
edit: like when you have a network adapter that's set to automatic, but no dhcp server to automatically assign an ip address?
right?
no but really, im a little clueless, there are playtests that happen? but when? and where can i play with others
eternal jungle
I don't think there's any set server yet
frozen hound
oooh okay
ruby arrow
169.254.{0-255}.{0-255}:{0-65535} <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
0.0.0.0\256
eternal jungle
it's random SDR address each time for now
either mcoms playtest servers or random ppls servers
shell temple
im gonna take a break from daily updates and playtests for a few days to recover
shell temple
the lack of sleep is affecting me physically and mentally i think
frozen hound
that would do it
ruby cape
I don't think there's any set server yet
I tried building mine again but for some reason it keeps crashing, hopefully I can get it up tmr
chilly nova
the lack of sleep is affecting me physically and mentally i think
how much sleep have you got recently 
eternal jungle
I tried building mine again but for some reason it keeps crashing, hopefully I c...
You mean dedicated or client?
eternal jungle
There's still the issue with items
apart from that dedicated works fine though
but items thing can be figured out
ruby cape
This latest build makes the server instant crash for some reason
Last build didn't cause that
chilly nova
do you have a backtrace
ruby cape
It's a missing file most likely
eternal jungle
I wonder how valve is able to allow anonymous accounts to make use of SDR
seems like it would be abused
ruby cape
I wonder how valve is able to allow anonymous accounts to make use of SDR
With their infinte money glitch that is steam
eternal jungle
What if I just opened 4 billion sdr sessions and used up all their addresses
ruby cape
That would be humorous in my opinion
chilly nova
@eternal jungle
static ISteamHTTP *GetISteamHTTP()
{
if ( steamapicontext != NULL && steamapicontext->SteamHTTP() )
{
return steamapicontext->SteamHTTP();
}
#ifndef CLIENT_DLL
if ( steamgameserverapicontext != NULL )
{
return steamgameserverapicontext->SteamHTTP();
}
#endif
return NULL;
}
i wonder if it's using steamgameserverapicontext
and that's why it works for the schema
eternal jungle
It must be
idk for sure
if not we could init that first
idk where you would do that
golden gust
Arent nvidia gpus literally fine on linux
i mean yeah, but there are application issues from time to time that are annoying
i can’t use any tauri (webkitgtk) app right now without two random env vars, and then they run like trash compared to windows
not to say mesa doesn’t also have issues
it’s linux
but they’re rarer
you can also do fun stuff like reliably use rc kernels
chilly nova
#ifndef NO_STEAM
// this context is not available on dedicated servers
// WARNING! always check if interfaces are available before using
static CSteamAPIContext s_SteamAPIContext;
CSteamAPIContext *steamapicontext = &s_SteamAPIContext;
// this context is not available on a pure client connected to a remote server.
// WARNING! always check if interfaces are available before using
static CSteamGameServerAPIContext s_SteamGameServerAPIContext;
CSteamGameServerAPIContext *steamgameserverapicontext = &s_SteamGameServerAPIContext;
#endif
uhh
that might explain things?
golden gust
(though nova and nvk might improve that a lot more soon)
eternal jungle
that might explain things?
Yeah I mean that's why it doesnt work
chilly nova
actually no, why would this affect SteamHTTP()
eternal jungle
The client steam context is client only
eternal jungle
actually no, why would this affect SteamHTTP()
Doesn't steam http come from there?
eternal jungle
client context?
chilly nova
i thought steamhttp was an export from steamapi
chilly nova
fair enough
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/sdk/api looks like there's specific mention of dedicated server stuff, so it's probably a client vs server context issue like you said
so of course initing a client instance of steamapi will fix it, because it wants the client context
golden gust
wonder how intel’s gpus will be
chilly nova
yeah it should be possible
eternal jungle
people use steamtools sourcemod plugin on gameservers with anonymous accounts
and it has http
chilly nova
anyways i'm going to look at this more tomorrow
golden gust
damn never mind
https://phoronix.com/benchmark/result/intel-battlemage-arc-b-ser...
this is from mid december
eternal jungle
I heard people saying cs2 is just worse on linux
on everything
so maybe not intel specific issue
golden gust
the game wouldn’t start on linux with the other two cards
maybe nvidia is really good
we even have hw accel in chromium now
eternal jungle
nvidia has firmware that runs on the arm core in the gpu now
enabled for linux drivers
golden gust
yeah but it SUCKS
eternal jungle
so the drivers don't even have to bother with like power management stuff
they can just do driver things
golden gust
i think up until the most recent driver version, there was a bug with reclocking in it
eternal jungle
actually GSP firmware does like all kinds of shit that the drivers used to have to do
I tried enabling it on windows but it didn't work
golden gust
so it affected the open and proprietary modules, unless you used a specific argument on the proprietary modules to use the built in driver equivalents
unless i was playing a game or something, the animations on my desktop would stutter like crazy
fossil vault
the lack of sleep is affecting me physically and mentally i think
Is that the origin of these crazy changes?
eternal jungle
replaycoding I think it would be enough to just change SteamHTTP to SteamGameServerHTTP
shell temple
Is that the origin of these crazy changes?
no those are because im goated
fossil vault
Yeah that makes sense
delicate schooner
no those are because im goated
eternal basin
For 18 years XD
Valve stopped caring at some point after blocking it from sourcemodders for years
And then at some point gave us a netprop to freely let us do that again
(Which we used for custom weapons)
eternal jungle
replaycoding I think it would be enough to just change SteamHTTP to SteamGameSer...
It turns out the problem is entirely different, it's not even getting to the http at all. It's not even getting to clientcommands.
eternal basin
You and I think alike lol
golden gust
- The L'Etranger can always attack while cloaked.
- All Spy Revolvers can headshot.
maybe i was wrong
mcoms may be actively ruining tf2 to prop up hazard crew
it's the ultimate game of chess with valve
mellow rose
Found a bug, I think, teleporters now auto upgrade to level 10. is that intended?
fossil vault
Based on some of these changes, mcoms will prob go "yeah thats balanced and if you dont like it, do more crack"
mellow rose
TC2 is being tracked on the new H.A.T.S. (Hub for Amazing TF2 Stuff) wiki I made, to have an overview of the nice new tf2 mods. Feel free to update the page, or suggest other projects.
https://github.com/DeWolfRobin/HATS/wiki/Team-Comtress-2
sage schooner
Found a bug, I think, teleporters now auto upgrade to level 10. is that intended...
apparently yes
rich moat
## 0.15.0
### Funny Experimental Changes
**Teleporter**
* Now upgrades passive...
patch notes ^
fervent steeple
surprised no widowmaker changes in the funny engy changelist.
My thought was instead of damage bonus vs sentry target, damage bonus vs sentry-damaged targets for 3 seconds or w/e duration.
midnight surge
thinking abt the dispenser backpack again and ngl itd work 10x better as an unlock because you could just turn it into the mini dispenser
having a fast deploy dispenser would actually benefit the stat a lot, since you waste a lot of time building dispensers randomly after getting into scraps or placing other buildings
crystal roost
very epic
sage schooner
my game keeps adding the hidden cvar so noone can see or join my game
tight nexus
fixed players being able to enter the enemy spawnroom with taunts c:
sour sedge
I'll look into fixing the invis dispenser backpack soon™️
I passed the fuck out last night so I didn't check it out
tight nexus
bruh was it this easy?
shell temple
surprised no widowmaker changes in the funny engy changelist.
My thought was ins...
having dispenser on you changes the widowmaker
fervent steeple
oh right
tranquil mirage
wouldnt be faster the github workflow if it didnt use ccache?
i dont think it does much in ci/cd
chilly nova
eternal jungle
replaycoding the items problem is not the steam http at all
I was mislead by the 2 people on github issues who said it was
but it's not
chilly nova
oh?
chilly nova
It turns out the problem is entirely different, it's not even getting to the htt...
this?
eternal jungle
pKeyValues->GetName() is null in CTFGameRules::ClientCommandKeyValues
so none of the clientcommands work
Idk how to fix it even
I'm gonna look in a while though
chilly nova
feel free to ping me for things btw
sour sedge
pKeyValues->GetName() is null in CTFGameRules::ClientCommandKeyValues
What the fuck
eternal jungle
It might be a vstdlib issue
either that or string tables question mark
I really don't understand it
I also only tried on linux I'm gonna try windows to see if it's the same or different
young osprey
So, I talked about improving the localization files yesterday and decided to give it a go. During my work I realised that most of the community created items and weapons that have actual support for item descriptions actually had thoses written on theirs steam workshop pages by theirs original creators, and that Valve, in theirs old fashion, did not make use of any of them. So I did... All of them, almost every single cosmetic and weapon in this game that was made with the intent of having it's own item description received either the original one made by theirs creators or brand new ideas written by me when there wasn't anything to go by. By the time TC2 begins to work on better localization files, please feel free to make use of my work as a base of you so decide to do so. I've also added a few tips for the loading screen making mentions of Scream Fortress, the comics, the wiki and the community server browser.
eternal jungle
Wtf bro it's a linux only issue
I got dedicated working perfectly fine on windows
got items working
the clientcommand thing is linux only problem
I wonder if it has to do with sdk 2013 dedicated server not including vstdlib
eternal jungle
Maybe because the release build gives you debug symbols anyways so nobody cares?
idk
sour sedge
I need to get hot reload to work on my build at some point
sage schooner
Has anyone else had an issue w changing loadouts? I go up to the resupply cabinet but it doesn't update
eternal jungle
It's normal
limited to updating loadouts only every 20 seconds
for all players
so if anyone has gotten a loadout update in the past 20 seconds you'll have to wait
You could change the behavior but maybe valve would ban you for spamming
sage schooner
Ohh alright, thanks
fast terrace
@shell temple would u be open to hosting a subtick playtest
chilly nova
They should just release it
they should also release the havok code it was leaked anyways
wheat herald
is this exploitable by cheaters
shell temple
<@115180582845153282> would u be open to hosting a subtick playtest
yeah
but not today, sorry
shell temple
is this exploitable by cheaters
probably
eternal jungle
Has anyone tried a 32 bit build
fast terrace
is this exploitable by cheaters
no
chilly nova
you already have a fork
tight nexus
but from tc2
eternal jungle
@chilly nova I think keyvalues are messed up on linux dedicated
chilly nova
hm, i'm still trying to get dedicated to run
eternal jungle
I'm getting stuff like CSoundscapeSystem::Init: Manifest 'scripts/soundscapes_manifest.txt' with bogus file type '1a.dx90', expecting 'file'
and the keyvalues getname is null for clientcommand
on windows everything is working perfect
chilly nova
hm, i'm still trying to get dedicated to run
it's segfaulting in CAppSystemGroup::OnStartup()
what am i doing wrong here
eternal jungle
Is your server named server_srv.so
eternal jungle
Do you have libtier0 and libvstdlib
I had to take them from either the sdk 2013 multiplayer, or the source-sdk-2013 github
renaming/linking _srv ones to no _srv didn't work
sour sedge
Someone already implemented subtick??
chilly nova
to get it to build, but it should be linking with the ones in the dedicated server dir at runtime, right?
eternal jungle
Oh I didn't build dedicated I didn't think you needed to for sourcemods
I just took the server.so from normal build I didn't do anything special for build
chilly nova
oh huh
chilly nova
would be very nice if gdb wanted to work
eternal jungle
it worked for me
chilly nova
i'm a cringe nixos user
eternal jungle
cringe
sour sedge
#programming💻 message
chilly nova
yeah sure let me just recompile engine
sour sedge
Yes
chilly nova
ok FINALLY
oh no it's not intel syntax 
looks like a nullptr deref
wait i may actually be incredibly stupid
i was running the 32bit version 😭
eternal jungle
bruh
chilly nova
i'm so good at this
eternal jungle
I was gonna try to build 32 bit version against the libraries from sdk depots to see if it works
I bet 32 bit server would fix the keyvalues problem
plus people like 32 bit servers for sourcemod stuff
chilly nova
can you even build against 32bit
eternal jungle
I think?
chilly nova
cause you're missing static libs
chilly nova
doesn't work like that
eternal jungle
:(
chilly nova
only shared libraries are shipped in the depots
eternal jungle
and you can't build the server against the shared libraries?
chilly nova
you're missing a bunch of these for 32bit
and only some of them can actually be built from the source we have
clever creekBOT
eternal jungle
What if you take them from here https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/tree/singleplayer/src/lib/public/linux32
chilly nova
maybe that would work, assuming the abi hasn't changed
eternal jungle
OK well maybe that's a problem for another time
I wanna figure out this key values bug
shell temple
ping me if i messed up the engy changes revert
chilly nova
ok amazing i've managed to crash in the error code
chilly nova
some error in PhysParseSurfaceData(IPhysicsSurfaceProps*, IFileSystem*)
i must be doing something really wrong here lol
eternal jungle
steam error?
I just changed the steam appid stuff in gameinfo.txt
to be direct paths
or |all_source_engine_paths|
chilly nova
i copied the one from @jaunty fractal's pr
chilly nova
but still it shouldn't be crashing due to an error message
chilly nova
clearly, but not much i can do about that
chilly nova
whatever i should probably go fix ccache anyways
shell temple
oh right
i think the linux one is like
uses more dedicated libs
this is a problem with sorucemod but in the inverse
chilly nova
?
shell temple
sourcemod doesnt work on windows
eternal jungle
Oh I guess this was already known https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/issues/562
shell temple
because of like vstdlib_srv having its own ded server singleton
so sourcemod uses that one
chilly nova
Oh I guess this was already known https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-20...
perhaps implement protobufs
shell temple
is there really no other fix for it
chilly nova
can the sdk define it's own netmessages
eternal jungle
How tf do we figure out why keyvalues works perfect on windows dedicated
and is like corrupted on linux
chilly nova
can the sdk define it's own netmessages
simply rewrite all the netmessages ourselves
and use protobuf for good measure
eternal jungle
Stupid question but what does ccache even offer
It already only recompiles changed stuff right?
chilly nova
the build directory is not saved between runs
eternal jungle
like I didn't do anything special for ccache and it's only recompiling a couple files
when I make changes
chilly nova
yeah that's just normal incremental building
but i'll rebuild everything if you clean your repo dir
eternal jungle
ah
chilly nova
https://github.com/hendrikmuhs/ccache-action gonna give this a try
eternal jungle
@jaunty fractal When you try inspecting a weapon on your linux dedicated server what happens?
like press f to inspect thing
fast terrace
Someone already implemented subtick??
Yes
chilly nova
is the code public?
fast terrace
no it is closed source
because I got locked out of my github account
for 2 hours
because I forgot my password
then it will be open source
chilly nova
lmao
fast terrace
i can just explain how it works
whenever we fire we send the timestamp relative to the current tick in the usercmd and lock the angles in place
jaunty fractal
<@180990688916275200> When you try inspecting a weapon on your linux dedicated s...
it works
you need server versions of libraries used
fast terrace
the server then loops our shootpos to then and uses that time for lagcomp along with the shooting angles
i actually dont want to release this this makes sniper just way too oppressive
jaunty fractal
if you don't use server versions of libtier0 and that second one which i forgot kv's are gonna get nuked
jaunty fractal
you would have to copy those from dedicated server
or cherry pick from my pr
since it works okay
chilly nova
even for build? shouldn't it get linked against the dedicated bin dir though
cause it'll link "libvstdlib_srv.so"
jaunty fractal
especially for build
eternal jungle
wait what do you mean copy from dedicated
chilly nova
and then when you run it, the search path is "DEDICATED/bin/linux64:DEDICATED/tc2/bin/linux64:..."
so why would it care about what you build against?
jaunty fractal
not sure, but there's some weird things differenciating both libraries in client version and dedicated server version
for some reason it cares, mostlikely because engine runner uses it and passes through communication with different class mappings i guess
i'm really just working on assumption that those two are heavily incompatible
shell temple
i cant find info about the differences between libvstdlib_s and vdtlib normal
clever creekBOT
shell temple
there was something i sent somewhere
about sourcemod
in some discord server or on github
but i cant find it
fast terrace
its steam
shell temple
and it was when i was trying to get the sourcemod to work on linux client
and it wasnt working at the time
because it was only made for the dedicated server version of the game
i feel like that might be the problem
sorry, mean _srv not _s
eternal jungle
they're definitely different
jaunty fractal
fuck.... today script shit itself :<
eternal jungle
I don't think there's any getting around needing to use the _srv vstdlib
for dedicated
chilly nova
but what's the difference!!!!
jaunty fractal
using standard libtier0 propably it was that one,
it would outright crash server when starting
same goes when building dedicated server using normal libraries and putting the server one
buuut idk
maybe classes are different?
jaunty fractal
so libvstd
eternal jungle
CUTLBuffer crash
chilly nova
Oh I guess this was already known https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-20...
@marsh stratus sorry to bother you but do you know anything about this
eternal jungle
on windows this isn't even a problem, the sdk 2013 dedicaed server depot includes the proper libraries
and everything just works
chilly nova
emergency measures 🙏
eternal jungle
even without building special for dedicated
jaunty fractal
ugh
eternal jungle
offline players can't have items?
jaunty fractal
offline player cannot get checked items
buuut now i'm getting this
yesterday script was working fine
eternal jungle
it invalidates tickets after a new one is generated
clever creekBOT
eternal jungle
or after you basically do anything
jaunty fractal
it invalidates tickets after a new one is generated
nah
when i pass the ticket in game
it just goes through
the same
and it's active for 10 minutes
eternal jungle
Mine were getting invalidated as soon as I generated a new one
jaunty fractal
idk... does steamhttp use something to flag the requests?
chilly nova
can you get it to run with an http proxy?
eternal jungle
or you could keep https and just trust a cert
that works on windows anyways
idk much about linux
chilly nova
i guess you could also just make it point at a local web server that forwards stuff too
jaunty fractal
eternal jungle
I just used mitmproxy
jaunty fractal
i think i'm still making wrong initialization in steam_http_wrapper
eternal jungle
Low key you're going about this the wrong way
jaunty fractal
but that approach worked yesterday... idk
yes, i know but given the fact that SteamHTTP did something okay, i went and modified game server to use curl
eternal jungle
I need to get my keyvalues stuff working and then I'll fix the steam http
jaunty fractal
I need to get my keyvalues stuff working and then I'll fix the steam http
keyvalues are not working for you?
jaunty fractal
but I'm trying something else now
try building using that
https://github.com/mastercomfig/tc2/pull/13
in my case only thing that blocked keyvalues from being properly read was wrong libtier and libvstd
jaunty fractal
also does it /dedicated
chilly nova
i was using /dedicated +dedicated
and symlinking all the libraries to the _srv versions
jaunty fractal
but it would require you provide libtier0_srv and libvstd_srv to catalog src/lib/public/linux64
chilly nova
hm
wheat herald
ive had my health pack stolen from me 3 times today can you make it so that health packs can only be collected per player or is that impossible
chilly nova
i was linking libtier0 to libtier0_srv
jaunty fractal
use the server ones
chilly nova
ive had my health pack stolen from me 3 times today can you make it so that heal...
karma
jaunty fractal
symlink those from your dedicated server instance to src/lib/public/linux64
only those two need to be linked from dedicated server
wait....
unless.....
libsteam_api also has server version
nope
eternal jungle
What about replay_common_srv
When I try to vpc /dedicated it complains about that
jaunty fractal
as replay said you would need everything in lib catalog to be symlinked with _srv suffix
eternal jungle
but there isn't even any replay_common_srv :/
chilly nova
ln -s replay_common.a replay_common_srv.a
jaunty fractal
there's replay_common
eternal jungle
I must have done something stupid
fast terrace
https://github.com/dr3murr/tc2-subtick/commit/f7b988d468c6b2fa71b4cd8b11edf62256975269 ok subtick is up 🙂
eternal jungle
I accidentally moved it
jaunty fractal
everything in this catalog hast to be relinked to have _srv.so suffix
except libvstdlib_srv and libtier0_srv which has to be sourced from dedicated server install
jaunty fractal
it prolly provides different classes that server does not recognize
clever creekBOT
jaunty fractal
since it has to go through engine first which used srv version of library
then to the game which uses yet different version
atleast that's my assumption
crystal roost
https://github.com/dr3murr/tc2-subtick/commit/f7b988d468c6b2fa71b4cd8b11edf62256...
is adding substick to a 17 year old game supposed to be this fast
what is this
😭
fast terrace
is adding substick to a 17 year old game supposed to be this fast
idk
slim seal
God it took me longer than I thought to find this thread (Only found it because it was linked in news). Threads are kinda hidden on discord and public servers are somewhat different to navigate.
I'm guessing this thread is also good for submitting feedback/ideas?...
sour sedge
is adding substick to a 17 year old game supposed to be this fast
Tbf subtick isn't that complex
sour sedge
https://github.com/dr3murr/tc2-subtick/commit/f7b988d468c6b2fa71b4cd8b11edf62256...
Does it break replays though?
fast terrace
Does it break replays though?
as is yes and also bots
chilly nova
Does it break replays though?
💔
fast terrace
probably the best way to fix this would be to write a sentinel at the end of the usercmd and then check for that and if its not present seek back
or just version the damn thing
chilly nova
@shell temple wrt the ccache thing: if you know what the issue is then please go ahead and fix it since I don't understand actions well enough
halcyon hamlet
Wait TF2 subtick is possible???
fast terrace
yes
halcyon hamlet
Will other mods be able to use Team Comtress 2 as a base?
fast terrace
also yes
wheat herald
Will other mods be able to use Team Comtress 2 as a base?
no, source available only
halcyon hamlet
How it do that
chilly nova
deadlock reference?
halcyon hamlet
Can I play team contress on my steam deck
tranquil mirage
ohamag
fast terrace
tranquil mirage
Can I play team contress on my steam deck
yes
halcyon hamlet
How does it bypass the kernel level anti cheat
chilly nova
is it getting stuck in the crash handler
fast terrace
probably
eternal jungle
replay when you build dedicated for comtress does it build server for you
it's just doing mathlib and tier1 for me but no server and I can't figure out why
fast terrace
why are yall trying to build dedicated
chilly nova
shits and giggles
chilly nova
it built server for me, but i threw away the branch
fast terrace
you just copy server.dll onto a source dedi i dont understand what the issue is
the dlls are the same on listen and dedicated
chilly nova
inventory doesn't work for one
eternal jungle
you just copy server.dll onto a source dedi i dont understand what the issue is
try it I think you'll run into the keyvalues problem with vstdlib
fast terrace
doesnt really seem to work regardless
fast terrace
switching my loadout just doesnt work
chilly nova
oh?
fast terrace
wdym 20 seconds
case kWebapiEquipmentState_InventoryReceived:
// No need to keep the current request around.
if ( state.m_pKVCurrentRequest )
{
state.m_pKVCurrentRequest->deleteThis();
state.m_pKVCurrentRequest = nullptr;
}
// Don't allow spamming this api -- wait 20 seconds before we ask gc for items again
state.RequestSucceeded();
state.Backoff();
state.m_eState = kWebapiEquipmentState_WaitingForClientRequest;
break;```are you serious
shell temple
yeah
chilly nova
lmao
jaunty fractal
yup
fast terrace
do i just comment out the backoff
jaunty fractal
if you fail it's going to tell you to backoff with further requests
chilly nova
valve will send the police to your house 🙀
jaunty fractal
seen someone made repo which makes all backoffs as compile flag
shell temple
idk why they rate limited that request so much
fast terrace
dude ill just go reimplement steamitems like 2013 all over again
or whatever the fuck that one interface that just had like
shell temple
i mean tbh
jaunty fractal
idk why they rate limited that request so much
well... it runs like crap... it's slow getting response
from 0.5 to 2.5 seconds
fast terrace
what if i want to change my inventory more than once every 20 seconds
chilly nova
is it really a problem to make a GC proxy cache?
they didn't write it in rust
shell temple
exponential backoff btw
chilly nova
that's why
fast terrace
did they even test this shit
shell temple
they didn't write it in rust
no i mean like
jaunty fractal
yes
shell temple
why cant we have our own GC that proxies the tickets and inventory requests and caches approvals
jaunty fractal
that's why we've got steam networking with this update
shell temple
so we can do this stuff faster
chilly nova
make your own gc
shell temple
ik theres like some auth stuff
fast terrace
at this point why not just make a local items file with all of the items
shell temple
there IS
jaunty fractal
it is there
eternal jungle
I mean you could just make the server allow all item changes imstantly
shell temple
tbh can skip the check on listen server
eternal jungle
and then if web api check fails, revoke them
jaunty fractal
server does just check if item you want to use exists in your backpack
shell temple
and then if web api check fails, revoke them
but then someone will have golden pan for 20 seconds
eternal jungle
oh no
chilly nova
oh no!
eternal jungle
big deal
fast terrace
but then someone will have golden pan for 20 seconds
counterpoint:
valve rocket launcher
chilly nova
counterpoint: coms has powerplay
shell temple
delete it from the schema
shell temple
delete all exploit weapons and patch all item bugs
chilly nova
not like it matters
eternal jungle
Wtf is this building partial (libs only)
VPC - Valve Project Creator (Build: Feb 5 2025 02:20:23)
Copyright (c) Valve Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
Source Path: /my_mod/src
Target Platform: linux64
Using Ninja generator.
Parsing: mathlib.vpc
Saving... Project: 'mathlib' File: 'mathlib_linux64_srv.ninja_inc'
Parsing: tier1.vpc
Saving... Project: 'tier1' File: 'tier1_linux64_srv.ninja_inc'
Building partial dependency set (libs only)...
..
It just stopped building server for me
shell temple
it doesnt include conservatives
fast terrace
vpc is held together with hopes and dreams just use cmake
shell temple
thats why its partial
eternal jungle
ok but how do I fix this
chilly nova
vpc is held together with hopes and dreams just use cmake
vpc is perfect i will fight you on this
shell temple
you ignore it
eternal jungle
server was being built and then it just randomly stopped
shell temple
vpc is the best build system
idk why people hate it
its literally perfect
has perfect incremental builds
chilly nova
it has no issues
fast terrace
i cant tell if youre being sarcastic or not
chilly nova
the best package manager is no package manager
vendor all your dependencies in compiled form
fast terrace
i did this but people got mad
chilly nova
ignore the haters
fast terrace
to build the project you must run the subst command because it requires an X: drive
chilly nova
i wonder if they fixed the weird perf issue in vpc with crcs
actually i can probably just check lol
eternal jungle
Can you check wtf is this partial dependency set
chilly nova
in a bit
it works for me
- devtools/bin/vpc /tf /linux64 /ninja /define:SOURCESDK +everything /mksln "$solution_out"
+ devtools/bin/vpc /tf /linux64 /ninja /define:SOURCESDK /dedicated +dedicated /mksln "$solution_out"
and then symlink all the libraries
new file: lib/common/linux64/replay_common_srv.a
new file: lib/public/linux64/choreoobjects_srv.a
new file: lib/public/linux64/dmxloader_srv.a
new file: lib/public/linux64/gcsdk_sdk_srv.a
new file: lib/public/linux64/libtier0_srv.so
new file: lib/public/linux64/libvstdlib_srv.so
new file: lib/public/linux64/mathlib_srv.a
new file: lib/public/linux64/particles_srv.a
new file: lib/public/linux64/tier1_srv.a
new file: lib/public/linux64/tier2_srv.a
new file: lib/public/linux64/tier3_srv.a
maybe git clean your repo
jaunty fractal
maybe remove _vpc_
chilly nova
weird stuff can happen around that
jaunty fractal
hmm
eternal jungle
also removed docker container cache and storage
chilly nova
clean the entire repo
eternal jungle
it's even doing it in my mod_tf non comtress now
chilly nova
_vpc_ isn't the only dir
eternal jungle
I hate vpc
marsh stratus
<@148929066349625344> sorry to bother you but do you know anything about this
yes i know that it's mangled
chilly nova
do you know why?
marsh stratus
no and i tried very painfully to reverse engineer it and then gave up because it was boring and unrewarding
it's broken so badly that we stubbed ClientCmdKvs out in both OF and TF2C
but only on linux dedis
chilly nova
lol
thanks anyways
maybe it would just be easier to hack the client into a dedicated server
eternal jungle
but dedicated build fixes it though?
the keyvalues stuff only happens if you use libvstd.so rather than libvstd_srv.so
libvstd_srv.so fixes it
chilly nova
what happens if you run the tf2 dedicated server with a replaced server binary
eternal jungle
Idk but I got the tf2 server binary running on sdk2013 srcds
and real tf2 client connected to it
I think what you're suggesting would work fine
but wouldn't offer anything over sdk2013 server
chilly nova
ohmygod i need to stop leaving my random plugins in game random directories
sour sedge
UB how do I fix clientcommands on linux dedicated
You don't
@eternal jungle is it possible something really stupid is happening like its being put in m_pSub or m_pChain
eternal jungle
No it's to do with the keyvalues
For some reason keyvalues are broken if you use libvstd.so instead of libvstd_srv.so with the dedicated server
Myknakryu figured it out
I think he figured it out like 2 days ago actually
eternal jungle
no
working keyvalues -> working clientcmds
corrupted keyvalues -> fucked clientcommands
In the way it was broken for me it broke all client commands but it's like random
jaunty fractal
Including calling for medic?
when it's borked you can't make voice calls, inspect weapons, do taunts, upgrade in MVM and so on
astral yarrow
is server always open or only in test times
jaunty fractal
that includes asking server to set your loadout
sour sedge
Any leads to where KeyValues is being corrupted or is it just pure rng
chilly nova
in engine somewhere
eternal jungle
vstdlib and vstdlib_srv seem different
for whatever reason
if you use the non _srv one with the dedicated server you get the corruption
sour sedge
Why would the server be trying to load the clients vstdlib though huh
eternal jungle
Well if you build everything the default is to load a vstdlib with that name, and even if you rename vstdlib_srv to vstdlib it doesn't work
but if you build dedicated then it all works good
sour sedge
Mmm
jaunty fractal
if it was compiled to link normal vstdlib and compiled using normal vstdlib
eternal jungle
^
jaunty fractal
if it were to be compiled with server vstdlib then the server binary when loading client vstdlib shits itself
same goes other way around
shell temple
is server always open or only in test times
my server is only up for playtests
but we use steam networking, it isnt very special
sour sedge
Off topic but I just realized that in the x64 folder on windows there's a vstdlib_s64.dll that doesn't appear to be loaded
chilly nova
that's steam vstdlib isn't it
sour sedge
Ah probably
chilly nova
someone ping me in 4 hours to remind me to fix my tf2 game files before i get vac banned
sour sedge
Can someone send me vstdlib and vstdlib_srv I don't want to go through the effort to setup linux rn
Gonna just open NSA spyware and rip it apart
sour sedge
No
chilly nova
:(
jaunty fractal
nah
seems like those are different beasts
mostlikely server classes have less attributes or sth
or just different mapping all together idk
eternal jungle
I think it is the same discovery
the soundscapes errors are also caused by bad keyvalues
tight nexus
3 hours of trying to understand why ragdolls only collide with prop_door_rotating
didn't understand shit
jaunty fractal
let me run one more test to be sure in vm without steam
sour sedge
wait.... was that all i needed?
For what
jaunty fractal
to get curl authorize properly
since all i was getting was
{
"result": 21,
"error": "steamauth failed",
"steam_errorcode": 101,
"steam_errordesc": "Invalid ticket",
"identity": "1612d7493adc201e10bba41f1c9cfc"
}```dont tell me it gates the user agent
chilly nova
could also maybe be Accept idk
golden gust
when is tc2 coming to steam
vivid crow
eta soon
jaunty fractal
i have one success... i started server on Oracle Free tier ARM
but now it again shat itself and returning bad status
oh wait i can see what i fucked up
sour sedge
what happens if you run the *tf2* dedicated server with a replaced server binary
Also this should probably work since they're sync'd
Right now at least
chilly nova
yeag
sour sedge
I'll leave that up to you because I'm gonna go to the bar soontm
sour sedge
I'll also look at the backpack dispenser soontm I forgot to rebuild my tc2 after pulling so I didn't have that yet
So true little friend so true
chilly nova
ask copilot
sour sedge
I heard they added google gemini to that slop for some reason
clever creekBOT
chilly nova
👀
chilly nova
awesome
jaunty fractal
there's my overdose
the code might be janky... but it works
if someone out there wants to clean the code out i'll commit my changes to my repo
my god one fucking week
vernal hull
sour sedge
I hate force pushing
chilly nova
force pushing to all my repos to piss you off
sour sedge
Oh wait wrong channel
chilly nova
epic fail
sour sedge
Whatever, I feel like I always need to justify when I force push to one of my \branches because I am a filthy rebaser
chilly nova
it's still better than merging
jaunty fractal
feel free if you're interested in streamlining the code or adding defines so it works correctly
eternal jungle
replaycoding I think it would be enough to just change SteamHTTP to SteamGameSer...
@jaunty fractal This works btw
jaunty fractal
eternal jungle
I think I forgot to mention this morning
but it's that simple
also it still works on listen server
jaunty fractal
really tho?
eternal jungle
Yeah
eternal jungle
Literally just ctrl+f SteamHTTP in the file and replace with SteamGameServerHTTP
jaunty fractal
yeah yeah.. .that's what i'm building now
high wigeonBOT
@jaunty fractal has leveled up! (5 ➜ 6)
eternal jungle
The gameserver anonymous steam thing has http and it's already initialized
jaunty fractal
The gameserver anonymous steam thing has http and it's already initialized
fuck
yeah it works
Thanks for help xD
if you have time, comment on the github issue that you can just replace SteamHTTP calls for SteamGameServerHTTP within tf_gc_server.cpp file
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/commit/e0384fa7e0068c394d38be99bc7ccfb470a41ae8
vague knoll
jaunty fractal
The gameserver anonymous steam thing has http and it's already initialized
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/issues/715 sorry this issue
eternal jungle
You can just comment it
The only github account I have is an IRL one that I don't want to use for this
jaunty fractal
how can i credit you?
eternal jungle
It doesn't need credit it's a simple discovery
rich moat
out of curiosity is it called HTTP since thats what it was when they made it and its HTTPS now or is it still just HTTP
jaunty fractal
i'm making updated build script for linux dedicated server
i'll ommit providing libtier0_srv and lvstdlib_srv from PR
script will ask user to provide it themselves
chilly nova
i'll ommit providing libtier0\_srv and lvstdlib\_srv from PR
what happens if you just link the non-srv versions to _srv
does it cause errors
chilly nova
what i'm confused about is why it causes errors
because that shouldn't actually be getting loaded afaik
jaunty fractal
my only guess is that there's some difference
it shouldn't but... somehow is
and engine mapped object is unreadable by compiled game
well.. that's my theory given the fact that at some point i had this from keyvalues on server
jaunty fractal
Thanks everyone for your help and input with the dedicated server stuff 🙏
https://github.com/mastercomfig/tc2/pull/25
astral yarrow
but we use steam networking, it isnt very special
i sleep in test times 😭😭😭 (they happen at 3-7 am for me)
thx for the answer
jaunty fractal
i can host 1 server in EU, it started rn with mvm_ghost_town running (nearly 4AM here)
but might be slow since it runs using Box64
eternal jungle
Dedicated works now
Or well it already worked but now the two issues (key values and steam http) have been resolved
terse plaza
shell temple
LGTM, but @chilly nova can you give a final lookthrough?
chilly nova
LGTM, but <@394179512788844544> can you give a final lookthrough?
the dedicated pr?
eternal jungle
By using libvstd_srv.so that comes with the sdk 2013 dedicated server depot rather than libvstd.so
both for building and running
shell temple
right
eternal jungle
LGTM, but <@394179512788844544> can you give a final lookthrough?
Maybe the builddedicatedserver script could be changed to symlink stuff rather than copying
and you only need to do it for like 5 or 6 of the libraries, not all of them