Team Comtress 2 Megathread - It's finally here

[round coyote]

😢

My point being.

Heavy lacks variety
Heavy lacks an alternative way to play
Heavy lacks "good items" other than like, 5.
Heavy lacks a "skill check" mechanic, making his skill ceiling very low.

[sour sedge]

@shell temple my gun gets cut off literally unplayable

[shell temple]

just dont rotate the model? skill issue?

[sour sedge]

:(

Blocked

Opening no less than 12 github issues right now for this

Should we add bhop convvar?

[shell temple]

not rn

its pretty valve didnt like it and i want to steer clear from stuff like that for now

in a later patch sure

[sour sedge]

Fair enough

[jaunty fractal]

i mean.
it's possible to source srcds_linux64 binary and dedicated_srv.so from tf2 dedicated server and put them into SDK Base 2013 to work with 64 bit mods
the problem is lack of 64 bit binary launcher for srcds within 2013 SDK dedicated server

[high wigeon]

@jaunty fractal has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

[jaunty fractal]

Can anyone cross check if i'm missing something before posting this as issue on git?

[Dedicated Server] Dedicated Server depots not containing 64 bit launchers

Currently available Source SDK Base 2013 Dedicated Server distribution does not contain launcher necessary to run 64 bit compiled mods.

Workaround on linux which allows for selecting importing custom game is sourcing binaries of srcds_linux64 and linux64/dedicated_srv.so from TF2 dedicated server instance or just using TF2 dedicated server as base

[wooden lichen]

list of all the other weapons that are like this

• fortified compound (reskin huntsman)

• C.A.P.P.E.R
  (its a pistol reskin thats a ray gun but it can be debated whether the damage penalty should apply bc it could be pay to win technically despite how niche it is ig?)

• pomson

• righteous bison

• all of medic’s primaries

• shooting star (also debatable if the resistance should still apply)

[strong remnant]

we need a meet your watch update which adds a day and night cycle to maps

[wooden lichen]

i don’t think that’s even possible in source

[shell temple]

0.9.0:

SDK upgrades

• Updated how local loadouts work, to copy your current TF loadout preset to all local loadout presets when you sync from TF, instead of just setting the first preset and having all the other ones full stock. This will hopefully fix having to re-equip cosmetics when setting up loadout presets.
  • You'll have to reset your local loadouts to get this change if you've played TC2 before the update
• Possibly fixed a weird crash with unusuals and changing maps

General updates

• Added a character loadout panel to the main menu showcasing one of your class loadouts
• Fixed the sentry gun not aligning to tickrate properly

Firing speed reworked

There's been longstanding issues with how firing speed was handled in Source / TF2, where it was tickrate dependent and some weapons did not do the proper firing rate / DPS. This is now fixed. Here are the details:

• Fixed fire rate being incorrectly calculated at certain intervals (most famously affected MvM firing speed upgrades for Heavy's minigun, but a lot of items have minor firing rate accuracy improvements now)
• Rebalanced the Sentry Gun now that firing rates are accurate:
• Changed internal fire rate values to the Sentry Gun to how they were manifesting in the game before this fix
• Changed the boosts for the Wrangler to how they were manifesting per level / type of Sentry Gun before this fix
• Changed Crit Canteen to 2x fire rate on Sentry Guns rather than 2.5x fire rate, since the fire rate is now accurate and does not need the extra boost
• Since Sentry Gun fire rate no longer has a cap limited by the tick rate, add decay to additional sources of fire rate, so there are diminishing returns and Sentry Gun DPS is kept under normal ranges in MvM
• Even with firing speed improvements, careful attention was put to make sure that the Widowmaker crits on a Crit Canteen would not be outclasses by the extra fire rate of a combined Wrangler + Crit Canteen.

Wrangler: Mini: 200%, Level 1: 166%, Level 2 & 3: 150% (these are all de facto from a base firing speed)
Mini Sentry: 125% (de facto speed, was coded to be 133% in live)
Each firing speed boost stack above 1 adds a decay of 94.5%
Crit Canteen boosts fire rate by 200%

These Sentry Gun changes result in the following base bullet DPS in MvM:
3 firing speed + Wrangler = 240 DPS (in live 356 DPS)
3 firing speed + Crit Canteen = 320 DPS (in live 356 DPS)
3 firing speed + Wrangler + Crit Canteen = 536 DPS (in live 356 DPS)

[sour sedge]

I assume Heavy is affected by this fix too?

[shell temple]

Yes

[strong remnant]

mcoms question, is it possible to import parts of the engine, replace those parts with imported code and modify it?

in a way similar to how Minecraft fabric does it

[sour sedge]

What approach did you take for fixing it, damage boosting or firing extra bullets when necessary?

[shell temple]

extra bullets

[sour sedge]

Nice

[shell temple]

this is just a fix i did and playtested in 2020

[strong remnant]

meet the engineer

[sour sedge]

Is there a way to choose which class displays on the menu or is it just random

[shell temple]

its random

[sour sedge]

Damn

I don't like this freak

[wooden lichen]

freaky

[jaunty fractal]

Setting up TF2 dedicated server with custom modded game starts game without connection to inventory servers.
Server has been bootstrapped using TF2 Dedicated server instance with few library rearrangements, server so has been compiled using 

Steps taken on linux for starting dedicated server:
- Copy compiled mod_tf instance to main server catalog
- From catalog mod_tf/bin/linux64/ rename server.so -> server_srv.so
- Replace `gameinfo.txt` with one prepared for reading tf2ds hl2 and tf catalogs
- copy maps from tf to mod_tf
- copy entire scripts catalog from tf to mod_tf
- now missing libraries
- `soundemittersystem_srv.so` and `scenefilecache_srv.so` have to be duplicated as `soundemittersystem.so` and `scenefilecache.so`
- depending on what's missing on system from SDK source code catalog `src/lib/public/linux64/` copy over `libtier0.so` and `libvstdlib.so`

Applying correct steam game server token `+sv_setsteamaccount` doesn't fix the issue but server correctly uses token refreshing last logon on manage game servers page.

I guess currently only option is to work with working item server is to host a game from game client.

Can someone check the second issue whether or not am i missing something before posting it?

[delicate schooner]

Oh man the classic menu

I miss it

[tight nexus]

mcoms could you remove bullet spread to the revolvers

it's already hard to aim and spy doesn't any more caveats to kill

and i'm sure sniping wouldn't be an issue because of dmg falloff

[plush iron]

im working on fixing various issues with friendlyfire and im having some trouble deciding how i should handle stuff like the crusaders and sydney sleeper

[subtle forge]

where is tc2 server located btw

[wheat herald]

didn't the mvm station already have music??????????????

[jaunty fractal]

uhhh. What server?

the file or some specific server?

[stone saddle]

I assume they mean where the TC2 test server is hosted

[jaunty fractal]

If i recall someone left dedicated server running somewhere in US
but sadly current method for creating dedicated servers cannot connect to inventory servers
for now i guess only client hosted servers are able to properly use steam inventory

[shell temple]

friendlyfire != teammates are enemies

[shell temple]

does it?

i also thought so but i checked the wiki

[wheat herald]

yeah

[shell temple]

and there wasn't any changes listed in upgrade station so i felt like i was misremembering

[shell temple]

ive got something planned for this already

[plush iron]

are you gonna do the thing tf2c did with syringes btw , i think that would be cool

that being ,

[vivid crow]

I don't think so

[eternal basin]

wow

[barren beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/how-to-train-your-dragon-gif-23356423

[wheat herald]

https://youtu.be/Q7eJg7hRvqE

[plush iron]

it was unused

[spark birch]

I find it remarkably funny how almost every engine level fix is also a Spy buff.

Oh speaking of which. Please for the love of god fix spawn wallhacks on enemy spies.

Or perhaps have it so that using a teleporter ends the effect.

[wheat herald]

make spawn wallhacks more visible on enemy spies

[spark birch]

I shall gutt you like a Cornish game hen.

Uncle Dane be like "Spawn wallhacks only effect spies camping spawn. They don't need removing." Whilst building a level 3 tele and taking it.

[wheat herald]

maybe spies should just play better?

just like get a cloak and dagger if you want to watch for people?

[spark birch]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nets-nba-paul-pierce-gif-1451274719610649494

[wheat herald]

tbh i just uncloak directly behind my enemies and most of the time they dont notice

camping is one of the least effective ways of playing spy and not because of spawn wallhacks

actually using your disguise to blend in is much more effective

[clever creek]

*actually using

your disguise to blend in is

much more effective*

- totallynotniteruxiswear

[wheat herald]

when will every disguising bug be fixed

[fallen moat]

Yeh honestly it’s a super niche issue like you’re disguised but sitting somewhere that blatantly an enemy wouldn’t be, while uncloaked… why? The only reason is like camping DIRECTLY to the side of the spawn door, in which case just disguise as a friendly scout or just m1 to get rid of your disguise.

I’ve never once been screwed by wallhacks, but I also use friendly disguises more than enemy disguises 🤷‍♂️

[wheat herald]

what hte hell??

[fallen moat]

In 6s it’s a lot easier to tell if someone is a duplicate of your teammate. If they catch a glimpse of you disguised as your own team’s scout they aren’t clued into to the fact that you have a disguise. So you can milk your cloak a lot more so you can get into position faster than they’d expect.

And in pubs I just use friendly disguise and gun spy because frankly it’s just more fun. It’s basically scout but disrespectful. Playing knife spy in pubs feels like an NBA player breaking the ankles of toddlers.

[wheat herald]

what hte hell do they even allow that

[spark birch]

Super Niche? Happens to me every other game. It's not a matter of camping in one spot, if you see a teammate in a weird spot behind a wall you're automatically going to spycheck them. In addition, you basically have to always undisguise before decloaking otherwise your outline just pops into existance.

[wheat herald]

stop being in a weird spot behind a wall

[fallen moat]

Just don’t be in a weird spot close enough to spawn for the wall hacks to take effect

[spark birch]

Teleporters simply aren't a thing.

[fallen moat]

If you look sus being somewhere where you can be seen, you should be cloaked

You’re the class that can do something about the teleporters

Or just play away from the teleporter if there’s a spawn wave incoming. It’s really never been an issue for me. If I’m around a teleported and uncloaked it’s because I look reasonable and/or im stabbing something and dipping out

[vernal hull]

I think a Shounic style vid explaining some comtress fixes and then talking about how they can join and playtests and would definitely bring people in..,,
Like performance (you can get technical people like it, kinda like kaze emanuar) > balance testing (show some crazy ideas so people are like wtf why not ((but also stress they are not permanent and are simply experiments)) > recruit people
And then live stream whenever we playtest after the fact

[spark birch]

Team Comtress Standalone mod launcher on Steam when?

[sage schooner]

Not sure if this has been answered anywhere but will tc2 get content updates at one point? Stuff like new weapons/mechanics? Or is it supposed to be just fixes and balance changes?

[shell temple]

it's supposed to be a continuation of the development of tf2 in a new fresh style

so I won't discount the possibility of that

[wheat herald]

wait why isn't it supposed to be merged into main tf2??

[shell temple]

individual patches are selected to be merged

but on the whole, the mod's branch isn't going to have only those sorts of changes

[vivid crow]

is there still much more potential for improving the game's performance?

[clever creek]

*is there still much more

potential for improving

the game's performance?*

- \Void

[shell temple]

Yes

[wheat herald]

what why??

[vivid crow]

yay

[shell temple]

what do you mean

that "why" could be so many different questions

[wheat herald]

idk you're already so ambitious does there need to be more projects 😢

[shell temple]

i dont necesarrily think this is more

[spark birch]

They are quite capable.

[wheat herald]

when are you going to nerf soldier into the ground

he's too fucking strong...

[shell temple]

i dont think soldier should be nerfed

i think every class should be brought up to a new power level

[clever creek]

*i think every

class should be brought up to a

new power level*

- mcoms

[shell temple]

some of that will be shifting their strengths and weaknesses, without fundamentally changing the identity of the class

theres definitely ways to make classes strong without just making them all the same

[wheat herald]

but you nerfed sniper and he's way weaker i can top score on soldier with like no effort at all

[shell temple]

sniper got buffed actually

[wheat herald]

waitwht

[shell temple]

huntsman is much more consistent now, the sniper rifle does more total damage, his SMGs are buffed, he has a much more reliable way to get minicrits

also sniper has a better time in sniper vs sniper

it isnt entirely based on counter scoping

also sniper is a bit better against spies now (though spy also has counter play of his own)

[vivid crow]

no

[ruby cape]

I was thought this would have been just performance and bug fixes and probably a good base for other mods

[shell temple]

i am experimenting with some balance changes too, but those are actually going to come much later

they wont be officially integrated for now

first update will be "The Spring Cleaning Update"

which will be entirely focused on qol, bug fixes, performance improvements

[wheat herald]

did you remove the weird collision hull collision on the hutnsman

or what

i cant find the patch notes

[jaunty fractal]

those can be later cherry picked down the line
if comms grants us permission

sorry * coms

[obtuse wraith]

holy fuck jumpscare

[wheat herald]

is it this commit? https://github.com/mastercomfig/tc2/commit/0b3d329cf17a4465b709580776de5c13638e9a1f

[jaunty fractal]

i wonder how CS:Source has no problem with fonts where both TF2 and SDK 2013 have

[ruby cape]

Sorry for out of topic but have you tried building just a dedicated server yet?
I won't be able to test for a few days. I also built the server with everything

[jaunty fractal]

but to be frank CS Source just recived 64 bit upgrade so maybe that helped avoid problems???

[jaunty fractal]

i was trying, there's 2 issues on github but nothing out yet

[shell temple]

frankly, that just sounds like slave labor

[ruby cape]

True

[shell temple]

its not fair to me for people to say i cant have fun

obviously though, what im trying to do is ultimately make something useful, valuable and enjoyable for everyone

whether thats through bug fixes, performance improvements, quality of life, OR balance changes

i am open to it all

theres fundamentally broken, unfun things in this game, and its not just bugs or lag

[jaunty fractal]

i wonder if there's possibility to attach additional license to your code so for example mods that utilize your project as baseline would have to for example credit by saying powered by Team Comtress 2
or support mastercoms ko-fi

[shell temple]

i dont want to complicate things with an explicit blanket license

[jaunty fractal]

true

[spark birch]

Simply make a better version of TF2, and people will come.

[jaunty fractal]

what else was updated besides TF2 CS:S and DoD:S?

[shell temple]

talking more about this, shifting sniper from a one dimensional click class to something much more dynamic and active, i think will attract more people to the class rather than JUST people looking for headshot dopamine

obviously, sniper still has the same weaknesses

he has low mobility, low health, and thus gets caught out easily

[jaunty fractal]

make headshots apply bleed effect

[shell temple]

thats what was done actually

the changes i experimented with yesterday (not part of any upcoming update)

was the last 50 damage of a headshot would be replaced by 56 damage of bleed over 7 seconds

this still gives sniper his area denial potential in a sightline but does not make it instant death

theres counter play, you can heal off the bleed, which devastates your push since you need to retreat

but you arent sent back to the spawn room

so it doesnt feel as frustrating

theres also all sorts of interesting knock on effects

sniper v sniper is no longer about counter scoping

two equally matched snipers will neutralize each other

because both snipers will be alive for them to take their shot

so it also reduces ping diff too

[tight nexus]

give him the grappling hook

[shell temple]

spy also can use dead ringer after being headshot to clear off the bleed

[spark birch]

Please can Spy have a grapple gun that replaces the revolver?

[shell temple]

no

[spark birch]

Aww

[shell temple]

im not going to change the mobility options of the classes

thats part of their identity

theres other ways to buff classes rather than just mobility

see medic

[spark birch]

Spy never gets any vertical mobility while pyro gets a jetpack

[shell temple]

why is medic a 6s class despite being the odd one out when it comes to mobility

the answer is that hes essential and strong

in other ways

[vivid crow]

talking about balancing, isn't the game pretty much perfectly balanced in its current state

[shell temple]

i dont think so

[spark birch]

So many maps with all the flank routes that Spy can't use. Engineer sentry jumps into stupid spots and camps up there with no way to counter as Spy.

[vivid crow]

I always thought that was the case

[shell temple]

theres lots of issues

[vivid crow]

like it all works really well

[wheat herald]

can't spy already survive a headshot with the deadringer because it has an insane 75% resistance

[shell temple]

i dont think so. pyro's update did a lot of good things but didnt manage to actually bring pyro to the power level of the other classes

which was the express intent

[spark birch]

"Today I shall put a dispenser in front of the door and deny all spies."

[jaunty fractal]

revert bison so i can die in peace listening to hitsounds of shredded tank on ghost_town

[shell temple]

engineer, heavy are still situational or outright bad classes that arent fun to fight against when theyre strong

theres all sorts of unlocks which need rethinking

a good sniper can shut down the server

[spark birch]

Razorback?

[wheat herald]

not in normal tf2

[shell temple]

the only classes i think are generally in a good place are the 6s classes

scout, soldier, demo and medic

and scout has some unlocks which are problematic but the base of the class is good

soldier is in the best place i think

theres like max 3 unlocks which need to be changed probably

i dont want to buff engineer in a way that slows the game down

but i also want to retain the identity of each class

im not here to make the game unfun or unplayable

if theres any change thats bad or disliked im not going to insist upon it

every change is going to be precise, very focused on increasing overall enjoyment and fairness

and its going to be very active and adaptive

so we can get the game into an even better place

[wheat herald]

engineer needs to be nerfed he is so overpowered

[shell temple]

bug fixes, quality of life, and balance wise

whatever

[wheat herald]

if there is 3 engineers on last it's literally impossible to win it's never happened

[vivid crow]

all it takes is one competent medic and heavy

[spark birch]

I am unsure if that is a class problem or a class limits problem

[jaunty fractal]

that's why time limit exists

[wheat herald]

it's a class problem'

there should be no class limits

people should just pick what they want

[spark birch]

That's my point, the more freedom you have, the more unbalanced things are capable of being.

[wheat herald]

just balance everything in the first place

duh

[spark birch]

Balancing the engineer as if they will always have 4 on last will screw over whenever there isn't.

[shell temple]

the problem is turtling, not engineer's kit

[wheat herald]

just balance it so that there will sometimes be 4 on last

[jaunty fractal]

i think it's heavily map dependant

[shell temple]

its the playstyle

and thats derived from people being emotionally attached to their buildings

due to the huge time investment

[wheat herald]

increase the sentry's hitbox so it's easier to be countered when there's a bunch of them

[jaunty fractal]

reduce wrangler shield timeout

[shell temple]

if sentries were more disposable and engineers were able to play a more active role, then i don't think itd be a problem

[wheat herald]

increase vulnerability to bullets so any class other than soldier and demo can actually counter

[spark birch]

What about the homewrecker?

[wheat herald]

worst weapon design ever

[shell temple]

i think its interesting for other classes to be able to help engineer

because then the solution to a problem isnt just another engineer

which might make things worse

[spark birch]

Being able to remove sappers in one swing isn't fun though

[shell temple]

but what if that pyro was another engineer who could build 4 more buildings?

[jaunty fractal]

6 brave engies on 2fort intel

[spark birch]

I'm sure I could stab at least two of those engineers and sap a whole bunch of their buildings, but a single pyro come in and remove all the sappers in 3 seconds

[golden gust]

how

it’s already so smooth

[shell temple]

rewriting the client leaf system is one

[spark birch]

It is exciting to hear that.

[wheat herald]

impossible...

[tight nexus]

i just remembered. make the disguise smoke and the crit effect not to follow the spy if he's invisible

[wheat herald]

it's very not fun if you're playing spy or coordinating with a spy to move in on buldings, also, the upside that it does extra damage to buildings is literally useless

[golden gust]

We're gonna have so much performance, you may even get tired of having such good performance. And you'll say, 'Please, please. It's too much performance. We can't take it anymore. Mastercoms, it's too much!'

[shell temple]

its not useless

[wheat herald]

ive never been in that situation as pyro or seen a pyro use it to destroy buildings

[spark birch]

I'm fine with other classes assisting the engineer in counting Spy's sapping, but to do so in one swing is stoo strong. Especially when it does it better than engineer himself.,

[shell temple]

two swings is too much though

[wheat herald]

hopw

[shell temple]

if you want you could slow down the swing time and fire rate of the homewrecker

[spark birch]

Anything to stop the pyro being able to unsap a nest in three quick swings in under two seconds

[wheat herald]

2 swings is fine IMO it's still like faster than the jag i think

i hope

[sour sedge]

Thats a skill issue then

I love the homewrecker

[wheat herald]

oh okay

[tight nexus]

coms where are these files located?

[sour sedge]

I used to run it 24/7 because its the second best pyro melee

[wheat herald]

in cfg

[tight nexus]

nope they aren't

[wheat herald]

they are in cfg

[vivid crow]

I hope this makes its way into the game soon

[chilly nova]

sdk game files i think

[wheat herald]

@shell temple remove startupmenu

doesn't do anything in tf2

3 wasted cpu cycles

[shell temple]

good catch

[jaunty fractal]

If anyone's interested on fixing broken UI on linux
you would have to copy marlett to whatever font store you have
on arch it would be /usr/share/fonts/TTF/ or for only user ~/.local/share/fonts/TTF/
for some reason Base SDK is not able to reach that font from hl2/resource of multiplayer installation

[tight nexus]

we should create an organized list of known annoying bugs

and exploits

[wheat herald]

broken spy disguises

[jaunty fractal]

it just werks i guess

[barren beacon]

yeah, put it on a list

Call it "issues"

maybe host on a server or something, using git, so we all can contribute

like a git hub

[chilly nova]

Make sure to document these so I can use them

Provide specific instructions on how best to utilize them

[wheat herald]

phlug cacel

[tight nexus]

that's fixed i think

in the previous tc2

[wheat herald]

yeti cancel

scout

fix the boston basger foriveness check

[vernal hull]

Yeti cancel is sacred and should not be touched

[wheat herald]

ohokay

i want to get to fixing the health bonus vgui but i havent found the motivation to actually do it

how the health bonus doesn't scale with resolution

[vivid crow]

I think yeti canceling should stay unpatched

it's fun and doesn't ruin anyone's experience

[wheat herald]

i never have motivation to do anything

[jaunty fractal]

Über is janky, in certain conditions when übering effect is not applied to you or just removes effect
Often present when überchaining
this also affects mvm canteens
not sure if that has been fixed

[ruby cape]

If teams are even you can spam the "autoteam' command while dead to join the other team even of you can't through the team select menu

[wheat herald]

shit nooo why did you have to leak the exploit

[ruby cape]

Skill issue

Should be fixed either way

I do regret telling shounic about the extend freeze allowing you to spectate your killer though

It was a funny exploit

[wheat herald]

why did they fix it

genuinely

i feel like valve did that just to help cheaters

and for no other reaosn

like why

[ruby cape]

You can use "menuopen" instead

[spark birch]

Everything must be designed for comp, regardless of cost.

[ruby cape]

It extends your respawn time this way

[wheat herald]

worst part of tf2 development

[wheat herald]

but it doesn't let you spectate your killer

[ruby cape]

I know but at least you can still spectate your own team

[shell temple]

didnt they fix that

[wheat herald]

some servers fixed it with a plugin

[high wigeon]

@wheat herald has leveled up! (62 ➜ 63)

[wheat herald]

and casual isn't affected by it and never was

[ruby cape]

A few play tests ago I did the autoteam exploit in this mod

In version 0.5.0

[shell temple]

yeah you can

[wheat herald]

how

[shell temple]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4443

[ruby cape]

Extendfreeze only activates once now

So it's not an issue

[wheat herald]

extendfreeze doesn't exist anymord

[shell temple]

i thought you were talking about that

what are you talking about then

[ruby cape]

I'm talking about this

[jaunty fractal]

weirdly enough hl2:d, cs:s and dod:s have 64 bit dedicated_srv.so and game server_srv.so aren't comming with 64bit srcds launcher

[chilly nova]

lol

[midnight surge]

remove spawn wallhacks, this is ridiculous!!

[wheat herald]

dont remove spawn wallhacks it genuinely helps so much with playing medic

[midnight surge]

if youre having that much trouble finding teammates theres a deeper issue

its a bad mechanic that adds a ton of visual clutter and directly interferes with a baked in class ability

[spark birch]

The only upside to Valve ending development of TF2 is that it also ends them unintentionally screwing over Spy with each update.

Also, what's up with certain knifes having the "Silent Backstab" attribute but the backstab still makes a loud sound?

Also please remove the hidden nerf on the YER in MvM.

[midnight surge]

whats that

[spark birch]

In MvM, stabbing a robot with the YER has a one second disguise delay.

[radiant cape]

please add facestabs to comtress 2 🙏

[radiant cape]

I believe that if you removed spawn wallhacks would make it easier to identify enemy Spies

so having them makes more sense for the enemy Spy

[spark birch]

In direct line of sight? Yes, but that is rare compared to seeing enemy spies through walls throught the entire map.

[radiant cape]

hmm, fair

[spark birch]

That in combination with disabling the effect if you take a teleporter would resolve almost all issues

[chilly nova]

Can someone try running this? You'll have to run it with steam-run ~/.steam/steam/ubuntu12_32/steam-runtime/run.sh ~/.steam/steam/steamapps/common/SteamLinuxRuntime_sniper/run -- ./tc2_linux64 after extracting it

[chilly nova]

@ruby arrow

[wheat herald]

new linux trojan just dropped

[ruby arrow]

I will once I get back home

Picking up pizza for the fam

[ruby arrow]

I literally cannot download this file

it downloads at slower than dial up bro

[ruby arrow]

can you send me this file on something else please

[charred shadow]

I think she did

[chilly nova]

https://gofile.io/d/cDr7Ww

[ruby arrow]

Thanks

[alpine karma]

i stand with the remove respawn wallhacks crowd. what it does add, that isn't screwing over spies, can already be done by cycling through the cameras while respawning

[tranquil mirage]

i like spawn wallhacks so it should stay

[ruby arrow]

I don't have nixos

So I did it without steam run

It loads the game just fine

[chilly nova]

oh oops i thought i removed steam-run, thanks for testing it!

[golden gust]

no way she did it

[tight nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/keith-lee-wwe-nxt-book-fire-gif-11238055282671991144

[midnight surge]

cubemaps or something are fucked up

[charred shadow]

https://cdn.nsb.gg/tmp/8uaxl/oy64q.gif

why no embed

[chilly nova]

{"code":0,"message":"Unknown File","status":404}

[charred shadow]

nooo its gone

sad

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-gif-whatever-tf2-tf2-jbomb-frags-to-riches-gif-1922809940029361676

[round coyote]

Hey I just realized...

Due to this being an improvements and a bug fixing thing..

Aren't you able to like...
Sneak a balance hidden balance change or two..? 😳

[clever creek]

*Aren't you able to

like... Sneak a balance hidden

balance change or two..? 😳*

- heavydutyderby

[charred shadow]

https://imgur.com/hi57MqN

[vernal hull]

Sneak a backdoor instead

[round coyote]

😅 That's what I meant.

Though only like, one or two at a time.

Hidden things like, flipping the Buffalo steak sandwhich vunrablility to resistance.

Or sandman..? o-o

[vernal hull]

No like

Sneak in a rat

A Trojan

[rich moat]

sneak as in sneak it past valve? not a chance

[barren glacier]

Nothing happened on the test server 2/21/2025

[shell temple]

lol

[sage schooner]

The heavy update is real

[harsh pasture]

How many players usually show up when a new update is out and the ping is sent?

[shell temple]

10 to 20

[strong remnant]

Im certain theres people that wait for steam release

[harsh pasture]

Yeah I might have to do the same thing, since updates are coming out in the middle of the night for me

Steam release could make it popular enough for me to play during my normal hours

[strong remnant]

that AND they are too frequent so every time I want to play I would have to update haha

[harsh pasture]

Thankfully TC2 is only like a few dozen MBs

[shell temple]

once we actually do updates

like update pages

then i suppose people will play more

first update being the spring cleaning update

[harsh pasture]

I'm trying to apply my driver-side settings that I use in main TF2 to TC2 and for some reason some changes aren't applying

The stuff like DXGI swapchain + debug flag do, but antialiasing doesn't

[charred shadow]

@shell temple maybe in a future playtest we could test some potato mvm missions
we have some (vanilla) missions that could use a fresh pair of eyes on them and this might be a good excuse to test the mvm changes

[shell temple]

yippee

[charred shadow]

I work weekends but im typically free around 10pm est weekends and any time after 5pm weekdays

is comtress compatible with vscript stuff

[harsh pasture]

hwite rope and even hwiter milk (radioactive)

[shell temple]

i think

[strong remnant]

mcoms can you please work on fixing the back registering on pyro/scout/spy weapons?

[ruby arrow]

team comtress is awesome

it cured me of my non-swag disease

[strong remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-deployed-alien-cat-gif-10264569409756179931

[ruby arrow]

yes this is exactly how it worked

[charred shadow]

[ruby arrow]

the gloop

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1031841369418903562/1338733185315373098/petpet.gif

[strong remnant]

also I was checking and couldnt find linux version of the tc2

[sage schooner]

Correct me if im wrong but i believe some work has been done on the back hitbox for backstabs

[ruby arrow]

I compile it myself

They made compiling on linux sooo easy

the script setups a podman container and does everything for you

[clever creek]

*the script setups a

podman container and does

everything for you*

- glorptasiummmmmmmmmmmmmmicrowave

[ruby arrow]

love you, haiku bot

Oh my, haiku bot
You are so fucking awesome
I want you so bad

[clever creek]

*Oh my, haiku bot

You are so fucking awesome

I want you so bad*

- glorptasiummmmmmmmmmmmmmicrowave

[eternal basin]

Mcoms playing with fire touching sniper XD

As someone else mentioned, I also think it would be fun to see a shounic style video of changes you're making

[dusky sapphire]

the gameplay changes arent really set in stone or planned as a part of the nearest big update

just playing around, having fun and experimenting

[harsh hemlock]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/6013

Pls fix this

[marsh mural]

on this page ? https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013

[barren beacon]

Honestly, Marvel rivals had a neat idea with hawkeye

The targeting system is nice

although a bit lenient

Although I don't know how feasible it would be to do something like that for sniper

If possible at all

[eternal basin]

@shell temple Are you okay if I fork TeamComtress2 as a base for my own mod?

[shell temple]

whats your mod?

my opinion is that we should probably only have one tf2 mod that we all gather together to make with PRs and stuff, unless the mod is intending to be radically different from base TF2

or else theres just gonna be like 15 tf2 but enhanced mods and itll be really disconnected

even stuff like improving stuff for mvm or passtime or whatever should be done in the same mod because that means people can hop in and out of different gamemodes and theres more potential there for shared benefits

now, to say if that should be this mod or some other mod

thats for the community to decide really

but id really like to strongly advocate and encourage it to be tc2

[eternal basin]

Oh yeah it intends to be very different moddy custom game mode kind of thing

Not improved base game ish like you're doing, but I like the good bugfix and upgrade work you are doing

I agree 100% that it will be silly if everyone tries to make TF3 / BetterTF2 / Etc

[solemn fossil]

@shell temple just wanna say that I made a PR to fix demoknight to the TC2 repo

Love the mod BTW, from testing it looks great
I just simply pushed the patch from upstream to yours
As I checked and there aren't incompatibilities

I'd love to get it merged

[vivid crow]

there's already BetterFortress

idk what that project aims to do

[solemn fossil]

IDK either

Though nice they include my patch

As without it, I just find demoknight bugged

Like why can't the caber minicrit
And why is the sword extended reach only if you charge after starting to swing the sword?

[shell temple]

im not going to accept the PR, sorry @solemn fossil

i have my own caber patch which I will apply (which also does include the minicrit fix)

the sword range extend, I'm just not sure about it

[solemn fossil]

Way back when the swords just came out it worked

But then it broke

[solemn fossil]

Okay

Understand

[shell temple]

do you have evidence of that? if so, i would be happy to consider it

[solemn fossil]

IDK if I can dig up those old versions

[shell temple]

especially if you can find when it broke

because then we can probably make a better system for it instead of a player flag

i will accept a PR though that fixes the achievements

[vivid crow]

the sword extended reach should stay how it is

I'm gonna say that this is a skill issue

and having to properly time it is more fun

[solemn fossil]

I'll work on that when I get back from visiting a family member

Also, I think the code is intended to extend the range and did so at one point
But was broken because of the bottle and swords not hitting instantly

[high wigeon]

@solemn fossil has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

[solemn fossil]

As it is right now, only samurai demobots get any use

Which would be strange
As the code was added before the samurai

[sour sedge]

The extended range is definitely not WAD but I think having it WAD is also potentially bad for the game so

[solemn fossil]

Maybe have the fix as a convar

Like we can opt into it

And see how it affects demo's balancing

[shell temple]

Sure, I could get behind that

[sour sedge]

I wonder what valve's thoughts would be in regards to running our own econ servers, or if that's best kept to use the steam api itself

[shell temple]

but I am also kinda of wary of doing anything against Valve's intentions

[shell temple]

I mean, I'd like to at least have custom item schema support for rebalancing attrs..

[plush iron]

will there be custom schema support for servers and the like ?

likea tf2classic type beat

[sour sedge]

I might expose a custom weapons api via vscript for servers as well, maybe, we'll see™️

@shell temple Thoughts on making m_hMyWearables accessible to vscript, if you try to give a demo shield via vscript you currently can't charge (or bash) with it since it expects it to be in that list

[gray skiff]

How do I set the -vulkan launch option?

[solemn fossil]

I think a good idea is give all players stock items
Like a default one
No cosmetics

Then cosmetics are gotten from Valve

So players don't need every weapon on stock TF2

But can still use decorated items

[solemn fossil]

That'd be nice

So basically:

• Cosmetics and painted/exclusive items are gotten from Valve servers
• Gameplay affecting things are available to all

I'd think that's a good compromise

[solemn fossil]

Also about this, custom econ servers will count as a commercial use
So no

[shell temple]

i dont think so, tf2c already has that niche

[sour sedge]

Not necessarily, unless you're selling items

[solemn fossil]

Just wanna stay clear

We don't want to be on Valve's bad side

As that'd get us screwed over

[fossil vault]

I want gabe newel to come punish me in person

[solemn fossil]

Anyways I'll make a PR to fix the demo range (as a ConVar) and fix the achievements with the caber

@shell temple is that good?

[shell temple]

sure!

[gray skiff]

Does anyone know how to launch TC2 through itch with the -vulkan launch option?

[dusky sapphire]

try creating a shortcut with the executable

add whatever launch options you want after the quotations marks (at the end) in the target field

[gray skiff]

Ill try that thanks, what about editing the itch.toml file?

[dusky sapphire]

cant say anything abt that, its just the method im using xd

[gray skiff]

Saw there were launch options there

[shell temple]

you can edit that

[wheat herald]

it will revert after every update

[ruby cape]

@gray skiff are you on windows? Right click on tc2 and open the file location. Create a new text file and put ".[tc2executable].exe -vulkan" and save
(Replace [tc2executable] with the. Exe name in there I'm not home I can't check.
Replace .txt to .bat

Or you can add it as a non steam game and do it that way

[vivid crow]

is there a server?

actually I guess the better question is if it’s active

[ruby cape]

I have one running but the item servers are broken

Ur better off using the host a game button instead

[jaunty fractal]

i'm open to explore any ideas that aren't connected to trying to patch in GC
i've seen this work but i assume that has different purpose
https://github.com/AgentAgrimar/tf-sdk

[spark birch]

Speaking of things that need looking into, autobalance and the autobalance system activating close to the end of the game, sometimes miliseconds before the game ends.

https://youtu.be/Bc7j0mrbKvc

[vivid crow]

that's funny

I don't want that to change

and yes it has happened to me multiple times

[wheat herald]

https://github.com/mastercomfig/tc2/pull/6 @fallen moat

[jaunty fractal]

i might have stumbled upon something, Dedicated server is not able to properly assign MVM upgrades

[rich moat]

thank you so much I was planning on fixing this but hadn't gotten around to it yet

[jaunty fractal]

my current assumption is now that ClientCommandKeyValues is not being utilized

[wheat herald]

im so smart and fast

[rich moat]

(you should also put this PR on the SDK repo and explain what the issue is)

I was going to say "and reference the issue on the issues repo" partially because i wrote it but then i realized you already did that for this PR

although this would probably require changes to the default hud too

[wheat herald]

mastercoms said i didn't have to change the default hud

[rich moat]

i'll admit i'm not actually sure how it looks on like 640x480 but it probably does just look like the images you sent

[wheat herald]

yeah

it does

that's just how it's supposed to look

[tranquil mirage]

idk how many brazilians and latinos there are on the server but would be cool if someone hosted for SA

[jaunty fractal]

any idea why this returns empty string when on dedicated server
but not on client hosted server instance?

[shell temple]

wait when

[wheat herald]

https://discord.com/channels/@me/1064735867786240092/1342997411408384181

[chilly nova]

https://discord.com/channels/1211879652138946610/1269534601743699988 🙀

[shell temple]

what does have to do with anything sorry i dont undertand huds

[clever creek]

*what does have to do

with anything sorry i

dont undertand huds*

- mcoms

[wheat herald]

the base size assumed by vgui is 480p so the pr changes the size to be based on the proportions used on 480p

[shell temple]

ok

[rich moat]

its so big lol

i'm so used to it not being this big

[jaunty fractal]

that's a start but what the hell is act1_collection_mythical

[chilly nova]

ripgrep is your friend when looking for random strings

just search the entire game folder

[jaunty fractal]

seems like adding tf2 soundemittersystem.so to server breaks things
how... idk

[wheat herald]

linux library file

[ruby arrow]

lots of tc2 pullrequests

being accepted

[spark birch]

As in, by Valve?

[high wigeon]

@spark birch has earned the Level 1 noob role!

[ruby arrow]

by tc2

[round coyote]

Please fix the sword range thing. It is a bug.

[round coyote]

I don't think they would even care.

[rich moat]

valve doesn't verbatim copy paste code into their game

they aren't stupid

they usually reimplement it themselves

[round coyote]

Well..

Maybe there is another way of doing things.

[spark birch]

They say, whilst accepting Wutville.

[round coyote]

So there is a real chance.?

[spark birch]

They say, whilst accepting maps with stolen assets.

[rich moat]

i think thats kind of unrelated

[round coyote]

yeah.. Proof that they do not care.

I was going to suggest an alternative method of "hiding it".
Just pass it through with a list of "bugfixes".

For example, the demoknight range thing is a real bug.
Fix several other ones and in that list add
"fixed the Sandman stun not working" for example.

But to do it only like one per bugfix update.

[rich moat]

1. wutville was a choice, not something "snuck in"
2. stolen assets is valve not doing proper background checks on who made the content sent to them
   code is different in that they kind of need to look at it, and looking at it involves actually seeing the code itself

also this sounds like a great way to ruin everything for everyone

[round coyote]

Ruin? A new balance change is a warm welcome.
Remember the Neon combo with the Gas passer?
People loved that.

[rich moat]

because shocker, everytime the communty has tried to go behind valve's back it has absolutely ruined things for times to come

we used to have community updates

now we don't

because the community fucked it up

[round coyote]

That was back when Valve cared.

That was a decade ago.

[rich moat]

if valve didn't care they won't add anything the community sends in

so you wouldn't be sneaking anything in

[round coyote]

Why would they care about a single balance minor change..?

[shell temple]

Let's end the discussion here, it's not productive and doesn't belong in this channel

[round coyote]

Sure

[rich moat]

agreed

[round coyote]

Stuff like this make me regret not getting into coding as a child.
I really would've liked to help in this.

Not even in like "my own interests", but like, as a whole.
This is really awesome that this is happening.

[umbral siren]

never is too late to learn

[jaunty fractal]

fixed inspecting, buying upgrade on dedicated server

we're so back

[wheat herald]

can the stopsound be un cheat protected

it's not cheat protected in garry's mod

[jaunty fractal]

i'll prolly crack another one beer before sleep / going to train ( 4AM in poland )

[shell temple]

0.11.0

Gameplay changes

• Fixed The Ullapool Caber damage being affected inconsistently by falloff
• Fixed The Ullapool Caber not receiving the Mini-Crit buff from charging
• Fixed The Jag dealing less damage than intended to enemy Engineer buildings.
• Fixed The Phlogistinator MMPH! taunt cancelling early if the player was knocked off of a surface
• Fixed Medics having an accelerated Übercharge build-rate when healing a Heavy who is using The Fists of Steel.
• Fixed the Boston Basher not hitting yourself upon missing an enemy that was nearby
• Fixed The Force-A-Nature fixed spread pattern being biased to the right side
• Fixed player not being able to deploy the B.A.S.E Jumper after landing and becoming airborne without jumping first

MvM changes

• Fixed Spy bots not firing their pistol when appropriate
• Fixed MvM bots not dealing explosive self-damage to a close-by enemy when it was safe to do so
• Enabled headshot and backstab death animations for MvM robots
• Fixed revives on players in between waves affecting revive speed penalty
• Fixed Sniper Rifle Explosive Headshot upgrade ignoring resistances. Now applies bullet damage.
• Fixed damage to Tank not giving Critical Hit bonus chance
• Fixed ammo canteens not affecting energy weapons
• Fixed bots getting locked in spawn in rare cases
• Added tf_mvm_max_invaders ConVar to customize the maximum number of robots

Demo Support changes

• Fixed ds_min_streak 1 not working properly
• Added a new mode for ds_enable to record competitive matches, which automatically record community competitive matches
• Added ds_rounds (default 1) to only record active gameplay during a round

Frontend changes

• Forced taunts to be from the first person perspective by default
• Enabled hitsounds and killsounds by default
• Fixed health overheal on the HUD not scaling properly on higher resolutions
• Added ConVar tf_viewmodels_offset_override to adjust the position (within limits!) of your viewmodel on screen beyond min viewmodels
• Added tf_dingaling_lasthit_repeat_delay to prevent playback of duplicate sounds when killing multiple players at once
• Disabled suicides after choosing a new class by default
• Fixed class limit being bypassable if two or more players switched to that class during a respawn wave
• Force disabled respawns upon loadout changes in a respawn zone, to fix an exploit (and it doesn't work well in the SDK anyway)
• Enabled remembering the quickswitch weapon between lives by default
• Enabled Steam avatars on floating health for non-friends by default
• Enabled Medi-Gun autoheal by default
• Enabled Sniper Rifle full charge bell by default
• Added colored console chat history

Performance changes

• Optimized how particles are animated on players and weapons
• Optimized various aspects of the animation code
• Added option to reduce water bullet impact effects
• Fixed inconsistencies with ragdoll settings
• Fixed class menu model rendering when not open
• Enabled water LOD
• Enabled better sound channel selection algorithm

General changes

• Fixed camera rolling in some cases when spectating
• Fixed a crash if the PASS Time Jack deals damage without being picked up first
• Fixed a crash when there was nothing to spectate on a map
• Fixed various issues with sounds not cooling down correctly
• Fixed prediction missing for Force-a-Nature jumps
• Fixed the Ullapool Caber being excluded from some Demoman achievements
• Fixed the disguise kit team selection resetting with high ping
• Fixed prediction errors with modified player gravity
• Fixed a crash when applying the Halloween kart condition in a map which does not support it
• Added a net prop to allow custom gamemodes to disable class-specific achievements
• Disabled servers being able to query HTML MOTD being disabled
• Fixed a memory leak from unreleased VScript variants
• Added VScript convar allowlist
• Fixed radial fog not being enabled in 3D sky on official maps
• Unrestricted the fx_drawimpactdebris, fx_drawimpactdust, fx_drawmetalspark and cl_particle_retire_cost ConVars

[jaunty fractal]

it was mostly vpc linking wrong libraries :F

[tranquil mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/so-ive-heard-meme-cat-ears-so-i've-heard-gif-14683186045299634393

[wheat herald]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/813516369219420170/1049769017088426084/2EA344FC-3061-4C47-9644-810F586400F8.gif

[wheat herald]

Added a new mode for ds_enable to record competitive matches, which automatically record community competitive matches
wasn't this already?

[ruby cape]

I think it's more like prec now

Instead of recording the whole pregame and breaks

It only records active matches

Idk

[shell temple]

no, that was mode 1, which was changed. before, it recorded matchmaking matches but was labelled as "competitive matches only". now, it's labelled accurately, that it records matchmaking matches (casual and competitive matchmaking)

[round coyote]

🤔
I guess that is truem

[shell temple]

The new mode 4 is different, it records ONLY competitive matches (community competitive or competitive matchmaking)

the option to record mp_tournament didnt work either since it records mvm, and casual also uses mp_tournament

[wheat herald]

oh

[shell temple]

this is because there is a check which used to be accurate during the competitive matchmaking beta

IsCompetitiveMode

but that was changed in MyM, to also include casual servers

so basically the demo support wasnt updated for that change

[wheat herald]

that'sfuckign stupid why did valje do that

[shell temple]

because it made sense for how competitive mode was set up, all the checks were basically there for setting up matches in that way

[wheat herald]

g

waitng for the updade to drope

@shell temple did you forget or is it still compiling

[shell temple]

now on itch

[wheat herald]

found a new version

[ruby cape]

What about making sv_motd_unload_on_dismissal a client command and turning it on by default?
It would stop backround ads from playing and having a webpage that does not have to be loaded in the background.
It will break radio plugins though 😢

[shell temple]

it is on

[ruby cape]

Ah ok

[tight nexus]

mcoms enable console by default pls

[wheat herald]

@shell temple find a game button isnt working in the new version i cant join ☹️

[terse plaza]

-multirun can cause this idk if thats ur issue havent tried the update yet

[wheat herald]

i dont have -multirun

[golden gust]

Forced taunts to be from the first person perspective by default
changes made by the utterly deranged

Added tf_dingaling_lasthit_repeat_delay to prevent playback of duplicate sounds when killing multiple players at once
NOOOO I LOVE MY EARS EXPLODING

Enabled Medi-Gun autoheal by default
i love you, thank you for implementing my suggestion

Fixed class limit being bypassable if two or more players switched to that class during a respawn wave
does this work on all community servers,,,?

[wheat herald]

oh GARRYS MOD WAS DOING THIS STUPID FUCKING SHIT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I FUCKING HATE GARRY'S BACKGROUND CRYPTO MINER

FUCK YOU GARRY!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK GARRY

[golden gust]

erm this isn't #garry's mod megathread - skubidi toilet

[ruby cape]

For the last one yeah, I find it easier to just join the enemy team and switch to the class I want
Then switch back
Same thing just easier

[wheat herald]

I HATE GARRY SOM UCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[golden gust]

it's over for uncletopia

6 stack engi on upward last

[ruby cape]

Uncletopia has a plugin to prevent this

[wheat herald]

1 morbillion years and this bug still isn't fixed with gmod

[golden gust]

thwarted

[wheat herald]

actual crypto miner

[chilly nova]

owned

[terse plaza]

mine's normal

[wheat herald]

yeah wait what "Forced taunts to be from the first person perspective by default" what the fuck

[ruby cape]

True

[wheat herald]

i dont want to see all of the people congaing with me while congaing type beat

[ruby cape]

At least you can change it back
tf_taunt_first_person 0

Unless it's forced server side

[shell temple]

its forced server side

[ruby cape]

Literally 1987

[wheat herald]

what the fuck why

[chilly hawk]

Found an issue with the new version. The game lunches “zoomed in”. I think it could be an issue with windows scaling

[golden gust]

more like team comtress 1984

[terse plaza]

idk if issues are welcome in this thread but uh my viewmodels are randomly switching between world and non lol

[golden gust]

did you only do this to avoid people looking around corners?

like it being in first person?

[chilly nova]

recompiling to let me do it anyways

[shell temple]

this is just to test the functionality

it won't be the actual default

[golden gust]

ah gotcha

[shell temple]

please note these pre-release updates arent gonna have accurate changes to what things will be

its for experimental changes

[wheat herald]

okay so it's weird that you can taunt forward but look backwards and see your back

[ruby cape]

Better than being unable to move your view

[wheat herald]

please note im just being mean again

/mean

/evil

/banme

[chilly nova]

actually are you thinking of adding anticheat to comtress

would be kinda funny

[ruby cape]

On my way to recompile tc2 with the hl2 aimbot enabled

[shell temple]

its required

for like comp leagues to use it

[chilly nova]

vanguard for tc2

[storm cargo]

I must try this out with my toaster that has a okay but outdated cpu but a horrid gpu and 8gb of ram >:)

[wheat herald]

floatng piss

[shell temple]

did you enter the command manually

yeah you did

thats an issue in tf2

@flint sierra here's the thread

[flint sierra]

aaaah

thanks

Checked its also present on the other side of the map so, might just be something weird with this texture?

[wheat herald]

whatthe hell i dont remember that

[wheat herald]

your gpu is dying

[flint sierra]

hope not

anyways, never noticed just how... not distinct, each side of this map is

got some signs hanging up and mayble a couple decals and otherwise exact same textures

[shell temple]

yeah it doesnt work until you taunt once

but because you cant taunt outside of first person it doesnt fix i think

[flint sierra]

move closer

[flint sierra]

huh

weird how its just a band, but its definitely acting like some kind of level of detail or somethin

[wheat herald]

I love dying vram

[flint sierra]

if its my gpu dying, first sign so far

[shell temple]

you need to use ui_version -1 i think

@fair terrace ^

@wheat herald

@ruby arrow ^

in info.vdf

[wheat herald]

yeahg

[tight nexus]

should we be supposed to look around?

[flint sierra]

loaded into the map locally and, weird textures still there, if my gpu was dying wouldnt it be some other texture bugging out? and not look identical? the pattern seems identical, even

[tight nexus]

also i would like to make a pr but i don't really want to fork a repo

[tranquil mirage]

why

[subtle forge]

hey mastercoms did you add some custom animations ?

[flint sierra]

fully restarted game, exact same pattern. probably not a gpu issue, plausibly a linux + wayland issue.

[ruby arrow]

why are you using wayland

also is this on wine

or native

[flint sierra]

native

[wheat herald]

ficool breaks everything again

[tranquil mirage]

for soem reason lots of model disappear depending on my view angle

could be togl issue maybe

[jaunty fractal]

😐

[chilly nova]

identity theft

[jaunty fractal]

what the hell, client hosted server msg and ticket are going through like nothing

ok now the dedicated server goes through but OnWebapiEquipmentReceived is never called back 😵‍💫

[chilly nova]

is it really worth trying to use the dedicated server

like, it might just be easier to hack up the client to do whatever you need

[jaunty fractal]

that could be true

[strong remnant]

thats an issue with map, happens on tf2 too

[ruby arrow]

I don't think TC2 uses togl

It uses DXVK now

[tranquil mirage]

i forced opengl

[chilly nova]

🙀

[round coyote]

By the way, I heard this mod will "fix backstab hitreg"..
What exactly does that mean?

[high wigeon]

@round coyote has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

[rich moat]

iirc that got removed since it was causing issue for people, unless that got reverted

[chilly nova]

this is on linux, togl doesn't exist on windows

[ruby arrow]

It still uses dxvk

hurricane@TheCloutPC ~/tc2/game $ ./start.sh 
[S_API] SteamAPI_Init(): Loaded '/home/hurricane/.local/share/Steam/linux64/steamclient.so' OK.
Setting breakpad minidump AppID = 243750
SteamInternal_SetMinidumpSteamID:  Caching Steam ID:  76561198152518803 [API loaded no]
[Source Mod Launcher] Launching default game: tc2
SDL video target is 'x11'
SDL video target is 'x11'
Using shader api: shaderapivk
info:  Game: hl2_linux64
info:  DXVK: v2.3

DXVK

see

[chilly nova]

because that's the default on linux

there is no reason to use togl except for driver issues

[ruby arrow]

ho would you even launch this as opengl

from the command line

[tranquil mirage]

-gl

[rich moat]

oh nvm then

[chilly nova]

it isn't the default for tc2 on windows, but it was

[tranquil mirage]

replay, you're messing with linux builds?

[chilly nova]

yeah

what about them

[tranquil mirage]

not much, currently im installing tc2 to sourcemods and then launching through steam, its different from launching with the executable?

also the build process seems weird

[chilly nova]

you would have to ask misyl about the build process

the launcher executable just launches the SDK with the right arguments, although there might be some environment differences

[wheat herald]

@shell temple https://github.com/mastercomfig/tc2/pull/8

[jaunty fractal]

kurwaaaaaa..... it work

[chilly nova]

is the source code available anywhere?

nice work btw

[shell temple]

what the fuck

youre a legend

[jaunty fractal]

gotta fix sound, when i'll wake up i'll try posting buildscript for dedicated server

also... sadly it's not that simple :/

to start steamclient i had to do runtime injection

so it's not a clean process
it's required since SteamHTTP won't work

[fallen moat]

Looks omega neato

[pearl mason]

is there any way to get sourcemod to work with it, and do vscripts work

[tight nexus]

finally

[chilly nova]

@shell temple what would you want a linux support PR to look like?

[clever creek]

*@mcoms what would

you want a linux support

PR to look like?*

- replay

[chilly nova]

since the source already builds, the main thing is to get the packaging scripts into a workable state for it

[shell temple]

yeah

dll should become a var

and make a toml for linux

and make the plat var conditional

then tbh id like github actions

for both win and linux

[chilly nova]

hm

[shell temple]

actually

just Linux

[chilly nova]

i currently have a separate copy_linux.sh script

cause there are some annoying differences between the versions, but i'll see if I can merge everything back together

[umbral siren]

damn, it's forget for past tense? why did nobody told me

[chilly nova]

yeah

[umbral siren]

omg hi you're still alive

did you crash

[chilly nova]

no

maybe next time

[umbral siren]

https://tenor.com/view/crash-bandicoot-warped-ps1-idle-animation-confused-gif-22220339

[wheat herald]

did you forget

[wheat herald]

mastercoms forced me at gunpoint to make it half the size so i had to sorry bro https://github.com/mastercomfig/tc2/pull/8

[chilly nova]

• the library directories and names are different (x64 on windows, linux64 on linux. libsteam_api vs steam_api64)
• linux is missing all the tool binaries, and the mapping tool dlls
• SDK vpc doesn't run gendbg, so either I have to hack that back in, or I strip everything in the script myself

[harsh pasture]

Is the test server closed already?

[pearl mason]

is there a way to host dedicated servers or is it listen servers only rn

[chilly nova]

currently only listen servers, but @jaunty fractal has done some crazy things to get dedicated running

[ruby cape]

dedicated servers work if you move some files around

just that they dont have items

[pearl mason]

do you think sourcemod has any chance of working with those servers?

[ruby cape]

he just got it to get items a while ago

so very soon i think

[pearl mason]

if you can get sourcemod then thats huge

i dont know a whole lot about vscript but is that a potential replacement?

[chilly nova]

@shell temple i wrote a horrible no good evil script can you test it on windows when you have a chance

just replace the copy.sh in the repo with this and run it

[strong remnant]

test it on windows
is a sh file

it IS evil

[shell temple]

sh is just better than bat

bat is not turing complete

[chilly nova]

...maybe that's a good thing

idk

write all your scripts in rust

[wheat herald]

javascript ftw

[waxen bane]

Fellas I would love to host a server in aus if there's any hunger for it?

[rich moat]

lol

[fossil vault]

Madlad

[vivid crow]

why would you even have to sneak it in if you think it's objectively a good change?

[round coyote]

Wait.. That's a genuinely good question..

I guess you wouldn't need to sneak it. If it's so obvious.

I guess buffing awful items like the buffalo would be welcome...

[jaunty fractal]

ahhh... woke up fresh
was there any change in regard of taunts?
since the taunt both on client and dedicated server doesn't change to 3rd person view

anyways, sound now works

i wonder if removing SteamHTTP could help avoid injecting steamclient since SteamHTTP requires steamclient to be properly initialized
and only thing that it does is just send some stupid Get requests from public API

[wicked gyro]

Did someone on the TF2 dev team showed up interest in pulling Team Comtress 2 fixes to the main game?

[vernal hull]

Yeah first person taunts was intentional

[vernal hull]

No idea

[spark birch]

From my understanding, one of the biggest issues with adding Comtress fixes to the main game was regression bugs. But now both are on the latest SDK that shouldn't be a problem right?

[vernal hull]

regressions are just any time something existing breaks because of a new feature/bugfix/refactor/etc. Having an up-to-date codebase does make patches easier, but regressions are unrelated to that

[spark birch]

// Yes. This causes a memory leak. Too bad.

[shell temple]

I've already noticed quite a few patches which had to be rewritten on the new code base

so yes it does make it easier

[vernal hull]

is it normally that big lol

[spark birch]

https://tenor.com/view/kylo-kylo-ren-more-star-wars-the-last-jedi-gif-24584001

[ruby cape]

The scale is based on 640x480 instead of a higher resolution so now we have commicaly large overheal

I'm patching it to be 4x the size

[vague knoll]

Why can't taunts be 1st person if some sort of comp or tourney convars are set

Instead of by default

[shell temple]

because we're not at a release stage yet so we're testing new things

this isn't a representation of the final update, this is more of a beta branch

ik its confusing but before the first major update actually releases the main branch will be the beta branch

after that, they will be split

[umbral siren]

WOKE?

https://tenor.com/view/pronouns-starfield-yapping-rage-spitting-facts-gif-11981307528457578648

[chilly nova]

@shell temple did you ever test this?

[jaunty fractal]

I'm even more convinced to patch out inventory checking given how slow resolving of it is

[chilly nova]

https://github.com/ReplayCoding/tc2/actions/runs/13487235151

[wheat herald]

no more caching??? based???

[eternal jungle]

It was broken before anyways

I think idk Im not a linux user

[harsh hemlock]

remove texture streaming or add an option in game to disable it

[golden gust]

add sccache

[chilly nova]

does it support pch

or however tf2 does pch

[golden gust]

i have no clue what that is

so maybe

[eternal jungle]

Already exists

-no_texture_stream or something

launch option

[wheat herald]

-no_texture_stream

[harsh hemlock]

I know that it exists

but in game would be more useful

[eternal jungle]

I mean I guess

[wheat herald]

why?

[eternal jungle]

but how is removing it different than you just adding a launch option and forgetting about it

it's the same end result

[harsh hemlock]

more accessible

[wheat herald]

yeah i guess

[harsh hemlock]

I also don't know how to add launch options from itch.io launcher

😭

[eternal jungle]

There's an .itch.toml file or something with the launch options

I think you could add there

but idk never used itch launcher

Just have less than 3584 mb ram and texture streaming is automatically disabled

[ruby cape]

Yeah honestly we should automatically have all weapons unlocked in normal quality

[jaunty fractal]

this has to be done since people start adding in their own weapons

[next tiger]

Why have resupply binds been disabled? They always seemed to be more of a QOL thing than an exploit to me imo.

This commit: https://github.com/mastercomfig/tc2/commit/40fda7e4d6adacf64fad2f8c6cf446951ff94478

[shell temple]

when you enter the respawn and about to die you can avoid dying

also it doesnt work well anyway on the SDK

[next tiger]

Also you can still bypass it with class change binds

[shell temple]

because the inventory system is laggy

[next tiger]

Ah, I guess that makes sense

[chilly nova]

did you disable the class switching method

[shell temple]

class changes you at least have to sacrifice uber or charge

[chilly nova]

ah i see

[next tiger]

True

[shell temple]

or all buildings

i mean

respawn rooms should be reworked entirely

but that requires a lot of thought to not break anything

and not be annoying

[ruby arrow]

NEW TC2

[spark birch]

You're most certainly going to crack a few eggs and upset people to make this omelette.

[shell temple]

yeah, this is certainly just going to be its own thing in some ways

taking the authority/position of valve

[jaunty fractal]

i've started some work on it but it just sucks
trying to untangle the hard dependency on webapi

[shell temple]

in terms of mandating balance changes

theres just gonna be thing where its like "this is the new way of doing things now"

[ruby cape]

Tf2c has a "respawn" command that mimics loadout binds. But it has a few differences like being instant and resetting uber

[jaunty fractal]

yeah

[shell temple]

i would much rather get rid of respawn entirely

[ruby cape]

No way all maps are arena mode

[ruby arrow]

😭 what

[shell temple]

and instead make respawn rooms and cabinets heal/restock over time

[royal ravine]

yikes

[shell temple]

and only switch class when you havent taken damage

[jaunty fractal]

anyways first SteamHTTP has to go,
since it makes more problems than solves
especially on dedicated servers where we could add curl dependency

[shell temple]

in exchange, i want to make spawn camping less of a thing

[jaunty fractal]

respawn room like medbay in FTL?

[mortal gate]

I'd imagine that's a later project given how changing the respawn room after it being unchanged ever since release may cause massive disarray. Changing something like that without heavy amounts of playtesting sounds like an absolute disaster waiting to happen.

[shell temple]

yes

im not stupid

[ruby arrow]

[shell temple]

like i said up here

[mortal gate]

Still think your Sniper nerf is pretty ingenious, I've never seen that suggestion, as funny as it is to inject bleed everywhere.

[shell temple]

but i do want to push the envelope in some ways

[eternal jungle]

Delete sniper

[ruby arrow]

framerate...

[shell temple]

i think the fear of reworking things has ruined the game

[mortal gate]

Would be interesting though I'd imagine QoL comes first.

[shell temple]

for example, the pyro update in JI was ruined because of it

yes of course

[chilly nova]

soldier runtime

[mortal gate]

I suspect that the fear of reworking things is a huge part of why Valve quit working on TF2.

[shell temple]

the first update that will come out as the first official update is the Spring Cleaning Update

[shell temple]

yes, its hard to work with the type of audience that is core to TF at this point

same with CS2.

[mortal gate]

Also a huge part of why they didn't mess with Counter-Strike for years because that playerbase was notorious for hating changes in their game.

[shell temple]

this will just have bug fixes, qol and small tweaks

no balance changes besides clear bug fixes

[spark birch]

I think it's less the fear of reworking things and more the fear of Valve reworking something, it doesn't work, then they leave it like that for ten years.

[ruby arrow]

will taunts be default third person

[shell temple]

pyro might be an exception because of how blue moon and JI were so rushed

(flame mechanic)

[ruby arrow]

it's a bummer having first person taunts

[shell temple]

yes i have just set defaults of new things for testing purposes.

but they arent going to be in the final release of the Spring Cleaning Update

[ruby arrow]

awesome sauce

[shell temple]

once the Spring Cleaning Update goes live, we will have two branches

one will be the main release branch and one will be beta

beta will be experimental changes like we have right now

[mortal gate]

I mean. It's already happened at this point. And with the SDK being released, I get the impression that Valve doesn't want to mess with TF2 in any major way again. I hope that mcoms' work does get recognized eventually by Valve though.

[shell temple]

but since we have no stable release right now to work with, its just all beta

until we get to a stable release

none of the sniper changes or anything like that are going to be live in the first update

the first update is just clean up.

[ruby arrow]

https://tenor.com/bja2U9BInj4.gif

[shell temple]

yes im the horse

tag yourself

[spark birch]

I think most players would find rebalancing and tweaks a major refreshing change

[shell temple]

yes but it has to be drip fed

[next tiger]

Cant shock the patients system, so to speak

[shell temple]

valve hasnt made any balance updates in the last 8 years. some people havent even played the game before blue moon

so they have played tf2 as a steady state game, which makes the problem worse

[ruby arrow]

I don't remember much before mym or blue moon

I only started playing tf2 deeply after overwatch came out

[eternal jungle]

But it's good

There's not really anything wrong with tf2's balance

[shell temple]

people who played before, there was a huge slow down of actual interesting balance

[mortal gate]

First get trusted enough to make QoL to TF2 without upending the game first before trying to change game balance. I'd imagine getting QoL into the game is a tall order as is.

[eternal jungle]

except the engineer stuff is annoying but whatever

[shell temple]

yes there is

theres tons of problems

people feel its fine because they play certain classes

[eternal jungle]

problem a) wrangler
problem b) short circuit

[mortal gate]

Like fixing Spy's disguise problems is probably a very tall order, but it'd buff Spy enormously.

[shell temple]

yeah exactly

you want to show competence before doing insane shit

[mortal gate]

Or adding additional QoL to Spy's disguises probably would buff the hell out of Spy like by an insane amount.

[chilly nova]

problem c gunslinger yes i am a scout main how did you know

[shell temple]

all balancing is, is having the authority on saying that some ridiculous shit is intended

[next tiger]

Vac is prob first on the list for me

[ruby arrow]

vac is not controlled in the source sdk

it's a steam thing

i think

[spark birch]

Every QoL update Mastercoms pushes is a buff to Spy and I am all for it.

[eternal jungle]

vaccinator

:D

[shell temple]

otherwise, you only have permission to make a really boring game

[chilly nova]

vacc

[ruby arrow]

oh

[next tiger]

Vaccinator

[chilly nova]

anticheat

[ruby arrow]

I know people r gonna be mad no matter what mcoms does

zesty.....

[spark birch]

Let them

[mortal gate]

and that's probably why Valve quit
admittedly some of their upending was kinda questionable but still

[spark birch]

The problem is not making the mistake, the problem is not correcting it afterwards.

[shell temple]

i think what really killed valve's balancing is their thinking that the comp scene was salveageable into a casual experience

[eternal jungle]

b4nny will never play comtress because the b4nny bind is an exploit and removed

[jaunty fractal]

ahh yes vacc....
gotta add shortcuts to instantly change resistance to desired one