Counter-Strike Megathread - Trade Up // Market Down

[gusty cave]

nice one :>

Ahh yes not responding my baloved

oh wait

MSI Afterburner can't inject into CS2

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

-allow_third_party_software 🤢

time to use amd overlay

[versed pecan]

it also tracks stuff so why not

[gusty cave]

ehehe

i don't mind giving my vm data to amd

They will optimize their drivers for VM's and prevent code 43's 😳

Okay so amd performance overlay not working

trying to fix it and i made windows bsod

ahahahah

i'm tired 😞

[hot granite]

gimp is the worst software ive ever fucking seen

[gusty cave]

understandable

[gusty cave]

Okay playing around with AMD's control panel is causing the display to disconnect for some reason

I guess its confused on where did the integrated gpu go

or something

[knotty vapor]

crackshash fails once again 😭

[knotty vapor]

ive seen much worse

[gusty cave]

@versed pecan its done

I ironed out all the crashes and bugs

Now all I need to figure out is a consistent benchmarking mechanism across windows and linux

[gusty cave]

____________________________________
Preliminary Single Scene Test results are now out

Windows DirectX11     -  83FPS (11.9ms)
Windows Vk            -  76FPS (13.1ms)
Linux Vk (Mesa Git)   -  67FPS (14.8ms)
Linux Vk (AMDGPU_PRO) -  77FPS (13.0ms)
Linux Vk (AMDVLK)     -  75FPS (13.4ms)

For those wondering the scene in question is this:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/687669283022831687/1157595535184773131/image.png?ex=65192e5a&is=6517dcda&hm=5bfdb251baa458970987d9385bc49076ca9fae2d3b3d5511b33b8b509ec8b2ff&=&width=1168&height=657

Conclusions that can be drawn from this limited test:

• Valves Vulkan implementation is 9.5% slower than its Dx11 implementation in this scenario
• Due to the similar AMDGPU_PRO and Windows Vulkan scores we can say that there are no severe differences between the Linux and Windows Clients in this scenario exclusively
• Mesa (RADV) seems to be slower 12% slower than the AMD Proprietary drivers for some reason

Note : AMD Propietary drivers for Vulkan on both Windows and Linux will have S E V E R E stuttering issues in game without shader precompilation

[timber geyser]

i could've fucking sworn the game precached shaders in load

they def do in dx11

[gusty cave]

It is through the GPL pipeline which AMD Vulkan does not have implemented. Mesa does tho so it shows the Precaching Shaders message for me too during map load

[timber geyser]

idk what GPL is

unless we're talking the license

[gusty cave]

https://registry.khronos.org/vulkan/specs/1.3-extensions/man/html/VK_EXT_graphics_pipeline_library.html aka Graphics Pipeline Library

[timber geyser]

ah

[versed pecan]

yeah. so thats whats up

im running amdgpu. true.

[gusty cave]

erm

no you are running mesa ;-;

[versed pecan]

im not

am i

idk

[gusty cave]

well the drm/kernel driver is called amdgpu

[versed pecan]

ok

yes

right

correct

[gusty cave]

the userspace/api driver is mesa

presumably

it can also be amdvlk or amdgpupro

[versed pecan]

no idea

[gusty cave]

vkinfo

[versed pecan]

ill check in a sec

you know

videogames

[gusty cave]

erm not a valid command wait

eheheh

[versed pecan]

it seems to be amdvlk

im not on linux tho so

cant say for sure

[gusty cave]

ewww no

that explains all your stuttering issues and everything

bru

[versed pecan]

:)

[gusty cave]

I should have probably asked you if you had amdvlk installed on that day when we were playing dota itself

rather than checking if its a mesa issue

[versed pecan]

yea

two months ago

[gusty cave]

amdvlk overrides mesa icd loading

[gusty cave]

bad me

[versed pecan]

so theoretically i just uninstall amdvlk

and thats it

[gusty cave]

@versed pecan ```
vulkaninfo --summary | grep -B9 driverInfo

[versed pecan]

later later im grinding

i love grinding

buy this particular videogame so we can grind together

[gusty cave]

there is a way you can use both drivers. Arch has the amd-vulkan-prefixes package which lets you switch between the three vulkan drivers by using vk_radv, vk_amdvlk and vk_pro

But I don't think you will have a use for amdvlk or amdgpu pro anyway. There was truly only one game I needed it for that is Detroit: Become Human

[versed pecan]

i only play two games on linux

so

[gusty cave]

yeah just uninstall amdvlk and check the output of this

[versed pecan]

look at my chicken driller. @timber geyser @quasi sphinx

[gusty cave]

It should generally output two sets drivers llvmpipe and radv with only mesa installed

[gusty cave]

interesting

[versed pecan]

omg llvm i saw that acronym somewhere.

pattern recognition

[gusty cave]

ehehe

its a very very common and widely used compiler toolchain

llvm/clang

[versed pecan]

right

@gusty cave wait

so does proton utilise mesa over amdvlk?

[gusty cave]

no it won't

icd loading is a kernel level kinda thing

[versed pecan]

i had no stutters when playing dots through proton . thas why I’m asking

[gusty cave]

you can change loading behaviour by setting environment varibales

[mild locust]

*i had no stutters

when playing dots through proton .

thas why I’m asking*

- lowrule

[versed pecan]

Okay

[gusty cave]

thats what amd-vulkan-prefixes on arch does

[gusty cave]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gusty cave]

possibly fossilize somehow worked

it honestly never worked properly for me on my laptop

further investigation gave into so many pitfalls in the fossilize system

Like mainly

• How does fossilize determine which GPU to compile for
• How does fossilize determine which Driver to use

Using perf I determined that fossilize actually cares about which Driver it is compiling for

And valve fixed the dual gpu thing eventually (or maybe mesa fixed it by adding seperate cache directories for multiple gpu's)

So yeah fossilize is wonky

but yeah my experience is from a year ago so take it with a grain of salt

fossilize has been worked on since then

@versed pecan with GPL you don't need fosslize tho so you could just simply disable shader precaching on linux when using the mesa drivers

[versed pecan]

wowie saving space

[gusty cave]

It was not required ever since the original gpl implementation on mesa came out more than a year ago in the git branch

like it was such a relief on apex since stuttering just basically disappeared instantly

day and night difference

[versed pecan]

kid cudi

[gusty cave]

and yeah stuttering on all dxvk games became ancient history

bad shader implementation by your game developer? use dxvk 🤡

Elden Ring in a nutshell

[versed pecan]

eruden ringu

[gusty cave]

I'm so confused with my radio bindings

I had like literal muscle memory for them

I'm confused between my tf2 and cs2 radio message memory

[gusty cave]

They were literal extensions to my speech communication

like the moment people drop me a weapon i automatically say thanks

the moment i see a enemy and i'm alone i say enemy spotted

when in trouble i automatically say need backup

i never needed to think to do it and due to that now i keep hitting the wrong shit

[urban urchin]

arent you already using it as a vm though?

they use the same amount of storage

[gusty cave]

You literally didn't read what I said earlier

.

.

.

[urban urchin]

you can compress the c: partition just fine and honestly save similar storage for system files

[gusty cave]

I can link to another message regarding this

And honestly the reclaimed space saving are stupidly more than the savings from compression

[urban urchin]

was it the “ntfs doesn’t have transparent compression” thin? because it totally does

and i mean regardless, maybe losing a few gb at most is probably worth it for windows to actually be usable

[gusty cave]

reclaiming free space

I have a 300 gb windows parition

during testing i can copy games or software upto 100 gb and later delete them post testing

and reclaim that freespace and use it for other purposes

[gusty cave]

"Windows to be actually usable", haha good one

[urban urchin]

you can also just do that on a bare metal windows install, without the need for reclaiming?

[gusty cave]

I primarily use linux sir?

[urban urchin]

yes but we’re talking about using windows no?

you have issues with a vm, complain about them, but then when someone recommends just dual booting, you bring up points that a) can be replicated on a bare metal install or b) aren’t even applicable since it’s a non issue on bare metal

i don’t get it tbh

[gusty cave]

its primarily windows issues that i found workarounds for already

windows doesn't want to work with the passthrough gpu

linux guests work with them just fine

[gusty cave]

so yeah if i have a 300 gb windows parition and is 80 gb used. how exactly will i reclaim the 220 gb of space?

I will have to
A. Mount the parition on linux

The problem with mounting is its encrypted

and bitlocker decryption on linux is slow

ntfs on linux is werid

B. Resize the parition

This is extremely inefficient for each time I need to claim/reclaim space

[versed pecan]

buddy

i will encrypt your drives with /dev/urandom

[gusty cave]

they already are dw

[versed pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-gif-3040355674486957825

[gusty cave]

Cipher generated with urandom

and cipher uses urandom to encrypt data

so the encrypted parition is pretty much pure entropy

[urban urchin]

you don't need to, you have 200gb of usable space already

[urban urchin]

unencrypt it ez

[urban urchin]

not weirder than btrfs on windows

[gusty cave]

No its the converse

Since btrfs on windows just works and file permissions work too

on ntfs for linux there are bugs, its has generally horrendous performance on random io and file permissions are well non existant?

i heard that ntfs3 driver was working on it?

[gusty cave]

The vm method is better when it works anyway. and its working now

it makes life easier

[pastel frigate]

dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/*

[urban urchin]

yes very much just works with few issues with io, os-specific things, filesystem metadata, and just stability in general
https://github.com/maharmstone/btrfs/issues/438
https://github.com/maharmstone/btrfs/issues/576
https://github.com/maharmstone/btrfs/issues/523
https://github.com/maharmstone/btrfs/issues/524

[gusty cave]

"Windows IO subsystem drops out, leaving system running but deadlocked"

[rustic sierra]

[gusty cave]

The key here is Windows IO subsyttem dropping out

[rustic sierra]

the key thing here is the filesystem not being resilient to faults

[gusty cave]

The problem is that when the sync is done at a kernel level it basically deadlocks the kernel since well Windows IO subsystem drops out

[rustic sierra]

because its a fucking overlay and non native

[gusty cave]

Its the everlasting problem with windows of drivers effecting the kernel too much

A driver malfunction should not casually be able to kill your entire system

[rustic sierra]

btrfs' fault

[gusty cave]

I guess their new driver model fixes that problem but well devs need to move to that first

[urban urchin]

this reminds me of how you're saying code 43 is a windows issue too

[gusty cave]

half of windows' bsod's are caused by driver crashes

on linux driver crash > driver reload > life goes on

[rustic sierra]

except when it doesnt

[gusty cave]

Well probably a AMD driver issue?

[urban urchin]

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/420091/how-to-debug-what-driver-causes-a-kernel-panic

but nah windows just has no way of reloading drivers

like there isn't a dedicated keybind to reload graphics drivers in windows 11

[gusty cave]

That is not a driver crash that is a driver causing a panic.

[urban urchin]

it just crashes

whole os dead

[rustic sierra]

that's a crash

what do you think bsod is

[gusty cave]

That's the driver doing something wrong in a kernel

[rustic sierra]

why do you think it can display the bsod

YES

[urban urchin]

bsod is equivalent to a kernel panic

[gusty cave]

You can shoot the kernel in the head and except it to recover 🫠

[rustic sierra]

you think bsod is native on CPU

[gusty cave]

There is a difference

You don't seem to understand

[rustic sierra]

bsod is not natively integrated on the CPU

[gusty cave]

I can crash my usb device driver and i won't get some random bsod on linux

it will just reinitilize the device

[urban urchin]

i really wanna be on the linux kush you're on rn tbh

like seriously i wish linux was just this much better than windows, world would be amazing

[gusty cave]

Oh it is. You have no idea the suffering i left when i shited to linux on my old ass i3 540 system

[rustic sierra]

the driver model on windows is not the wild west like linux lol

[mild locust]

*the driver model

on windows is not the wild

west like linux lol*

- mcoms

[gusty cave]

Its even worse wdym

I have literally access to hudreds of people here who come to me with endless windows driver issues

[urban urchin]

third party drivers on linux

[gusty cave]

like endless upon endless

I can literally list you the last 5 and their dates

There was one yesterday

Recent nvidia driver causes bsod's

[urban urchin]

cant reproduce, fake

[gusty cave]

its very easily reproducable actually

you just need to launch a particular game

like literally just launch and play for a minute or 2 and boom screen goes black and audio loops

3 days before i had another issue where post windows update s3 sleep state was gone

and well windows s0ix sucks ass

[rustic sierra]

i love linux sleep

half my display gets corrupted

[gusty cave]

average nvidia issue

[rustic sierra]

and then all my applications have invalid data in them

no it wasnt nvidia issue

[gusty cave]

and this is a 5 years ago nvidia issue love

[rustic sierra]

no it isnt

it wasnt about nvidia where the working memory gets corrupted

[gusty cave]

Cmon love you are just piping out issues now

I haven't heard of linux sleep issues on the linux subreddit for a long time now

[rustic sierra]

because the linux subreddit doesnt use sleep

[gusty cave]

the only issues that are left over is vedor disabling s3 sleep

[gusty cave]

people use laptops dear

yes they do use sleep

i use sleep

my brother uses sleep

basically all of my linux mates here at university uses sleep

cause we all have laptops

[urban urchin]

when nvidia does something wrong on windows: apart of the "endless windows driver issues"
when nvidia does something wrong on linux:

[gusty cave]

the only linux issue i had here is a mediatek card having wifi issues

[gusty cave]

its fixed tho

kernel modesetting on nvidia fixed the corruption issue

[urban urchin]

ok what about other bugs associated with it lol?

like with older mc versions right now

[gusty cave]

nvidia?

[urban urchin]

they just don't work

[rustic sierra]

no issues

LMAO

[urban urchin]

would that be another nvidia issue or a apart of endless linux driver issues?

[gusty cave]

you taking a screenshot of the arch wiki page doesn't mean much

its conclusive list of all past bugs

[rustic sierra]

nvidia issue my ass

[gusty cave]

alot have been patched through

[rustic sierra]

linux 6.1 is past 5 years ago?

literally 2023

[urban urchin]

yeah super old kernel

8 months old

[gusty cave]

point me issue?

[urban urchin]

who runs that shit

[rustic sierra]

LTS too

read 6.4

AMD CPU

your beloved

sometimes the screen goes black, we dont know why

linux is the one flawless, perfect C software written by humans in all of history somehow

with perfect design, architecture, implementation and compiler

[versed pecan]

puppy has zero issues

[gusty cave]

never said so

[versed pecan]

bestest distro

[rustic sierra]

yes you did

[gusty cave]

its just less random than windows

are more debuggable

[rustic sierra]

you gave anecdotal evidence

idk if thats true, especially with regressions

[gusty cave]

an anecdotal evidence from a limited set.
you are taking edge cases for basically all cases in existance

in that case windows will easily outclass linux

[rustic sierra]

yes because an edge case for a billion user base means a daily and common occurrence

so that's the standard

[rustic sierra]

exactly

NTFS semantics

like i said

[gusty cave]

generally you should be trying to avoid race conditions not make ways to solve it

[rustic sierra]

it isn't a race condition if the behavior is guaranteed on NTFS (and it is)

why would i need to null check every pointer in my code

that's how you get buggy memory corruption everywhere because your program degrades slowly over time

[gusty cave]

The third issue is simply a corrupted btrfs parition causing the bsod

[rustic sierra]

simply a corrupted btrfs partition

[gusty cave]

fourth issue is yet again a corrupted parition

[gusty cave]

yes data corruption occurs and btrfs has tools for fixing them

[rustic sierra]

how can i fix it with BSOD

[gusty cave]

Like i said problem with the windows driver model can't be just fixed

[rustic sierra]

problem with windows driver model???? or problem with the fucking driver???

[gusty cave]

boot into linux run fsck move on with life

[rustic sierra]

ah yes so why did i used btrfs on windows again

[mild locust]

*ah yes so why am

i used btrfs

on windows again*

- mcoms

[rustic sierra]

because im a god damn idiot if i do

[gusty cave]

Because you are already in a dual boot scenario

;-;

[rustic sierra]

you proposed this for transparent compression

[gusty cave]

i normally suggest it to people who are already dual booting

yes cause the user already was dual booting

[rustic sierra]

it's public advice

[gusty cave]

why does windows need to bsod on driver crash. i still don't get this

[urban urchin]

only on linux btw

[gusty cave]

my bad should have used dm's

[rustic sierra]

windows does not bsod on driver crash

[urban urchin]

or just had better advice

[gusty cave]

well then forget btrfs why doesn't windows itself have filesystems with features btrfs provides

[rustic sierra]

my graphics driver can crash and everything is fine it recovers

[urban urchin]

really weird to suggest random github project for linux filesystem when it's like two clicks on any windows install lol

[mild locust]

*my graphics driver

can crash and everything is

fine it recovers*

- mcoms

[rustic sierra]

what features are missing from a microsoft fs that btrfs has or does better

file corruption?

[gusty cave]

oh wait actually you are very true

my bad ntfs is the superior filesystem used in all servers across the planet

how could i be so ignorant

[rustic sierra]

btrfs is used in servers

linux fs is barely a thing in any serious server lmao

[gusty cave]

actually yes it is. its a alternative to zfs a majority of the times

[glacial sky]

Simply bootleg refs

[rustic sierra]

you don't know what you're talking about D:

[urban urchin]

btrfs is for companies who weren't already using zfs

and for some reason got caught on the btrfs hype train

[rustic sierra]

any serious server is using a DFS

[gusty cave]

this is trol at this point

[rustic sierra]

also windows server is used in like so many enterprises

for internal use

[gusty cave]

1% is truly so many when you count them by the numbers

[rustic sierra]

yes everyone uses PAM and Samba

and not AD and Sharepoint

[gusty cave]

your definition of everyone seems to be extremely flawed

[mild locust]

*your definition

of everyone seems to

be extremely flawed*

- lonely potat

[gusty cave]

my god you probably failed in stastics

[rustic sierra]

hm?

i published numerous papers in statistics

[gusty cave]

Yes windows servers exist but its such a small percent like wtf

[urban urchin]

noooo you need to mention ldap!

[rustic sierra]

did you read what i said

i said for enterprise use, in internal systems

and then you said 1%

which is not true lmao

yes, linux is used for public servers but it's mostly a scaling/cost issue

not because the technology is strictly superior

[hot granite]

Like i said problem with the windows driver model can't be just fixed

[gusty cave]

like even if you consider every intranet like how many windows servers will you actually find?

also again the number further reduces due to its prefered use cases again being limited

i mean yes there are windows servers out there that server their roles but linux servers just outnumber them

and this isn't even really about the numbers

this is about filesystems

and wait this is our their time arguing about filesystems

fun

@rustic sierra also I forgot to reply to the ealier part of you saying that display driver crashes are recoverable

this is because of a feature specifically designed for Display drivers that automatically reset them on timeout

this cannot really be implemented in every driver

[rustic sierra]

i like how you took a screenshot of device manager one time where it said this device has stopped working correctly

[gusty cave]

and btrfs isn't the only driver that causes bsod's many other do. why do they do so then if its a btrfs only problem?

[rustic sierra]

and yet your windows did not blue screen

[gusty cave]

Device failed to start

[rustic sierra]

its not a btrfs only problem but when you recommend such a driver it's a bad decision

[gusty cave]

In that case all drivers are bad

[rustic sierra]

ive seen similar messages all the time for drivers

[gusty cave]

don't use hardware

[gusty cave]

sigh are you serious now?

[rustic sierra]

anyway like i said, fs is largely irrelevant for any large scale server deployment because its a completely different scale

[gusty cave]

Device has stopped function is such a fucking generic error man

[rustic sierra]

like we arent talking zfs or btrfs anymore

[rustic sierra]

but not a blue screen

and there are logs

[gusty cave]

Yes yes

very informative logs

And wait that is only if it logs

[rustic sierra]

depends on the driver

[gusty cave]

what if filesystem didn't sync all you see is critical halt

I have dealt with bsod's before and i know how verbose they are

half of the time the dump fails and you have nothing to work with but 3 to 5 words of the generic overview of the problem

glad that they finally added what driver caused the crash on driver crashes

took then long enough

actually wait not what driver caused the crash

what driver crashed

because if the driver caused the crash externally and didn't itself crash good you are left with a absolutely useless bsod screen

CRITICAL_PROCESS_DIED : Yeah some process died, who knows why it died, maybe due to memory corruption, maybe due to file corruption, maybe a program tried to do something illegal, maybe a user accidentally killed a critical process

KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED: Yeah kernel detected unknown processor instruction.... wait what?

FAULT_HARDWARE_CORRUPTED_PAGE : Yeah who knows what this even means, what was casing it, windows somehow installing the wrong chipset drivers which on uninstall probably fixed the issue permanenetly.

IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL: Yeah eventually we realized this problem was caused due to a faulty driver version. Update promptly fixed it.

There was another CRITICAL_PROCESS_DIED but who really knows what was causing it since after rooting out every literal possible issue over 2 days I came to the realization, reinstalling windows would have been faster.

verbosity in errors is the last thing windows has

logs itseems, logs my ass

On Windows BSOD's are a pretty common occurance. On Linux Kernel Panics are rare and a good number of times signify faulty hardware.

[lilac glen]

playvol command is still available but it doesnt seem to actually play anything 😢

[versed pecan]

m yesss .... .. riot shield

[versed pecan]

hl sfx config is no more!!

[lilac glen]

woah

[versed pecan]

@gusty cave ty btw

🙏

[rustic sierra]

https://youtu.be/V_5uYoOaVtM

[lilac glen]

cs2 remake of this video when

[rustic sierra]

what if its node graph

[wicked rock]

would be funny but sadly nodes where far removed from the engine lol

npcs by default uses navmesh

[mild locust]

*would be funny but

sadly nodes where far removed

from the engine lol*

- Brodspy

[gusty cave]

wait vpulse is finnally implemented??

yoooo lets goooo

[gusty cave]

ur welc

[ocean turret]

what is vpulse

[gusty cave]

new scripting system

source 2 used a lua based vscript

but the lua runtime was disabled in the cs2 beta at the mirage update

[ocean turret]

ah cool

[gusty cave]

nvm it still pretty unusable

[frigid dagger]

tested cs2 on windows and is kinda broken

one thing that i noticed is they are not using fullscreen by default, which is weird and now makes sense

in dx11 fullscreen doesnt give option for my native resolution and refresh rate

vulkan seems to work but stuttering and some visual bugs

is kinda playable now but in dx11 still have stuttering but is cpu bottleneck i guess because using fsr doesnt seems to change performance

also 2gb vram is painful (chocking)
i see textures loading just turning around, even on menus

[frigid dagger]

actually, changing directly the resolution instead using fsr makes runs more stable

not good enough for 720p still

[frigid dagger]

actually² in native resolution now seems to be running equal, idk seems inconsistent

[gusty cave]

lots of silent patches from valve with no update changelog

pain

[rustic sierra]

@hot granite so it seems like we have official word from valve that all the dropped features are indeed intentional

[hot granite]

broooo are u fucking with me

thats the last straw

[rustic sierra]

these are taken as feedback

i.e, the game is seen as complete and they will be taking feedback on what to include further at this point

[hot granite]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-punching-wall-punch-wall-meme-gif-23241541

theyre so bad

[rustic sierra]

melvins were right

[hot granite]

no theyre not

[timber geyser]

coping

[hot granite]

i was advocating for them not to exclude anything that was in csgo

no matter how unpopular it might have been

they were advocating for it being ok for valve to be lazy

THEY STRAIGHT UP

REMOVED DANGER ZONE

fucking insane

wow

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19496270

[rustic sierra]

did they just get bored and give up lol

because there are even unreleased maps

like how are they just gonna give up on shipping these

is citadel really that important

honestly citadel sounds like its gonna be another flop

i hope it wont be

[hot granite]

theyre still working on citadel?

[rustic sierra]

yeah

[hot granite]

idk how to feel about citadel but neon prime sounds like its gonna be a flo

p

[wicked rock]

you really trust into tyler's words?

[rustic sierra]

citadel = neon prime

[hot granite]

OH

hahaha okay

yeah that shits gonna be a flop

100%

[rustic sierra]

then theres 1 other game as well

but idk i dont have confidence in valve

they have failed to ship a new game in like

since dota 2

artifact flopped

underlords flopped

half life alyx is a half life game

cs2 is a counter strike game

they cant enter any new markets seemingly

kerbal space program 2 flopped inside valve

stars of blood flopped inside valve

[wicked rock]

TF2 s2

[rustic sierra]

dota rpg flopped inside valve

in the valley of gods flopped inside valve

[wicked rock]

TF2 Was abandoned

[timber geyser]

its almost like the valve company structure doesn't really work

[rustic sierra]

aperture desk job was a small joke for a steam deck launch title

the lab was a tech demo

[versed pecan]

thanks for saving halflife alyx! your game is now shelved.

https://tenor.com/view/cat-surprised-windshield-wipers-leap-jump-gif-3518945

[rustic sierra]

didnt the writer almost kill HLA tho

[hot granite]

me neither anymore 😦

[rustic sierra]

so yeah, its like their last original game

was like 2011

[hot granite]

it really doesnt

like its good until you realize nobody wants to work on shit

[rustic sierra]

though tbh

not many game devs are succeeding with new IPs and such

its very hard

[hot granite]

to be fair id hardly say valve flops much, they just would rather start over and try making new megahits instead of settling with small stuff

the company isnt built to support multiple live service titles

artifact failed because, okay they fucked this game up so badly its insane

real shame, i liked it

underlords only flopped by valve standards because it was getting only like 25k players so they just abandoned it

or 20k i dont remember

still decent numbers but valve would rather do something else

dont care about that since i didnt like the auto battler genre anyways

[rustic sierra]

Artifact (the original one that was like Minecraft) flopped inside valve

and sorry it wasnt called KSP2

it was called SimTrek

but it was basically KSP2

[hot granite]

i still find it sad that artifact 2 got basically killed before it went into open beta

[lilac glen]

isnt there already a ksp2

[rustic sierra]

yeah the devs quit valve

and made KSP2

[lilac glen]

ah yeha

[rustic sierra]

outside of Valve

[lilac glen]

then it flopped uber hard

[timber geyser]

isn't it still in dev tho

[timber geyser]

oh

[lilac glen]

yeah

[lilac glen]

bruh

stole my thunder

[rustic sierra]

people seem to be angry that dev is slow

[hot granite]

Promised ar_baggage. Nothing.
Promised de_cbble. Nothing.

[lilac glen]

cbubble

[rustic sierra]

dude

source 2 battle royale

it would be so fucking good

with the level streaming

[lilac glen]

(danger zone)

[wicked rock]

Counter Strike Megathread - i like to complain edition

[lilac glen]

oh yeah true

[rustic sierra]

i mean if they just fucking like

[hot granite]

sorry but if valve projects arent instant hits they abandon them almost instantly

[rustic sierra]

launch

[hot granite]

that goes for gamemodes and entire videogames

[rustic sierra]

Counter-Strike: Danger Zone

that would be hype

[hot granite]

itd be hype yeah and like

it could work

[rustic sierra]

a standalone game

[hot granite]

but valve literally doesnt want to

[rustic sierra]

itd swallow PUBG if it had actual work put behind it

and Warzone

[versed pecan]

they practically said. battle royales are no more no more free counter strike for you . goodbye

[hot granite]

why standalone though

[lilac glen]

idk if a standalone game would work well
even less people would play it than normal
cuz now you have to download a separate thing

yeah why standalone

[rustic sierra]

it could share assets

like the half life episodes

[hot granite]

i think it could work fine with cs2 considering how popular cs itself is

ah

i could see that yeah

[rustic sierra]

it would be separate to make the experience more streamlined

[lilac glen]

i guess

[rustic sierra]

because its a lot of menus to figure out

to queue into danger zone

[lilac glen]

true

[hot granite]

i guess if you only want to play danger zone

[rustic sierra]

and plus it shows a good focus on the game

like you could make like

[wicked rock]

that's what fornite does

with save the world

[rustic sierra]

CS2 compatible to queue into DZ

but also have a separate client for JUST DZ

[lilac glen]

and save the world is dead https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1150663885637038101.webp?size=48&name=hiyagangy&quality=lossless

[hot granite]

youre dreaming too much

[lilac glen]

mostly cuz the abandoned it but yeah

[rustic sierra]

i mean like

[wicked rock]

sadly yes

[rustic sierra]

Valve could do that

Valve with their billions of dollars

[versed pecan]

are these billions of dollars in the same room with us?

[wicked rock]

nah

[lilac glen]

no

[wicked rock]

i stole them

👿

[versed pecan]

how come ure unable to run cs2 in high, stable framerate then

[wicked rock]

because idfk running the game at hight settings

minimun + only keeping shadows at hight for not handicapping myself is engough for me

[supple summit]

im really sad about this one, I loved the art style

[lilac glen]

wdym putting shadows at high to not handicap yourself

even lowest shadow settings (that arent off) have player shadows

in cs2

[wicked rock]

in low shadows settings the game turns off the csm shadows

iirc

[versed pecan]

wow. you lost so much information

[lilac glen]

nvm by csm do you mean the live map geo and prop shadows?

[supple summit]

after the tf2 experimental 100 player stuff I kinda wanted to see more use of larger player sets somewhere else

[wicked rock]

basically in general

[supple summit]

imagine bf3 style conquer, but with cs2 netcode

[supple summit]

I mean, free counter-strike was extremely optimistic of them to begin with

[hot granite]

they could also keep updating dota

with the way ur talkin grn

[glacial sky]

valve hire more people challenge

impossible

[supple summit]

they realized that their anticheat + steam's anti abuse stuff wasnt cutting it so they made it paid again

[hot granite]

its not the people

its not hte amount of people

[glacial sky]

ofc

[hot granite]

its how the company works

[glacial sky]

more people could at least alleviate it a little

[hot granite]

nobody wants to work on shit that 1) doesnt earn money 2) has to do with maintaining a product/feature

[lilac glen]

well lowest settings still have player shadows but props have static ones

[mild locust]

*well lowest settings

still have player shadows but

props have static ones*

- skyrym

[glacial sky]

valve keeps hiring economists and shit but they never hired a psychologist to do some self reflection

[hot granite]

when im in a not maintaining a product/ingame feature competition and my opponent is a valve employee

[glacial sky]

the problem is so blatant

if you introduce choice to the equation people dont wanna do the tedious work

[hot granite]

it's been downhill ever since yanis varoufakis left valve

honestly

[rustic sierra]

they did hire a psychologist

[hot granite]

HONESTLY

yeah

[glacial sky]

when

[hot granite]

its been literally downhill ever since

[glacial sky]

valve was Dead since the post portal 2 exodus

[mild locust]

*the post portal 2

purges were kinda losing

the soul of valve yeah*

- mcoms

[hot granite]

varoufakis shouldnt have gone to the greek parliament

[glacial sky]

they can hire him back

[hot granite]

i dont think hes interested

[glacial sky]

work for both greece and valve

valve's sure been on their hardware kick a while

uncharacteristically long

i think that's a part of the current situation

[hot granite]

because u dont need to maintain hardware as much as u need to maintain a game

they already maintain steam so its easy

[glacial sky]

until steam decks burn people's balls off

[hot granite]

that and they have open source contributors backing them

well, they pay them but those are peanuts compared to what valve is getting in return

[glacial sky]

every valve game except like ricochet has been made with that objective

push the envelope and corner the market

[wicked rock]

also made Linux viable has gaming

[glacial sky]

valve should hire more contractors

[hot granite]

thats more because valve were annoyed with windows

[wicked rock]

who wouldn't be?

windows 11 stinks

[hot granite]

not really its alright

[glacial sky]

microsoft has been malding for decades at not cornering gaming

[mild locust]

*microsoft has been

malding for decades at not

cornering gaming*

- borealis64

[glacial sky]

they never succeeded with xbox and every attempt for pc flopped

now theyre mass acquiring

[hot granite]

xbox game pass is pretty good but theyre making the free trial worse now

tbh it does feel like microsoft has always been an inconvenience to valve

throughout history

[glacial sky]

they should make up and kiss

2013

[hot granite]

oh

it wasnt intended

to last

interesting

[glacial sky]

so uhhh

on counter strike 2

i noticed a weird dithering effect while looking at my t's legs

almost like dlss fucking up

despite not using it

[knotty vapor]

i will forever cry for no lake

best csgo map

[versed pecan]

lake tomorrow..

[lilac glen]

coms why did you delete everything

[wicked rock]

coms moment

[timber geyser]

insider information

[hot granite]

https://tenor.com/view/forget-never-happened-never-mind-men-in-black-gif-14323858974282234206

[glacial sky]

what if gabe stopped using his first name and went by logan newell

[timber geyser]

what if he changed his name to his son's name and went by gray newell

[glacial sky]

remember gray newells game

let me check if his company website is still up

[wicked rock]

what if gabe was already dead and there's a impostor at valve?

[hot granite]

Valve boss Gabe Newell

that one doesnt sound as funny

they need to rebrand into a funnier name

[wicked rock]

Volvo pls fix

[versed pecan]

these are the highly advantageous shadows that are worth every single frame. they are present on high and very high.

[glacial sky]

https://twitter.com/Naetyr/status/1362119309682761730

Naetyr (@Naetyr)

Twitter, long time no tweet! We've been hard at work here at Naetyr working on a couple projects and decided it was time to lay low until we were ready to give everyone more information. We're still alive, working hard and making it through the pandemic, stay safe everyone!

Twitter · Feb 17, 2021, 7:18 PM

[versed pecan]

surely...

[lilac glen]

i do no car https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1068368207733325939.webp?size=48&name=OFFICERDOWN&quality=lossless

[versed pecan]

neither do i

crazy right

[lilac glen]

no

[versed pecan]

oh ok

[knotty vapor]

who

[glacial sky]

gabes son

[gusty cave]

Apex Legends 2

Honestly Apex Legends itself can be Source 2 considering how far they have strayed from the base Source 1 Engine

[solar gate]

they actually trying to convince us this is the same person? Do they think we're stupid?

[ocean turret]

WAIT

THEY REMOVED LAKE?

😭

WTF

That's one of the best maps in CS:GO

bro

honestly

I agree with a lot of what y'all ahve been saying

It seems like ever since Portal 2, Valve can't put out a new game to saves its life

[glacial sky]

they dont see the opportunities requisite to spend the effort on a single player title for pc

[ocean turret]

idk man

Single player games have been kind of popular recently

Baldur's Gate

Starfield

Elden Ring

[timber geyser]

elden ring doesn't count come on

it may not be a multiplayer only game but a lot of its game comes from the MP

[ocean turret]

what is MP?

[timber geyser]

multiplayer

[ocean turret]

ah

[lapis wagon]

lol

[rustic sierra]

i genuinely believe valve could, with their resources, fully support games for every market and be extremely and overwhelmingly successful

they just dont want to

[gusty cave]

They have better things to work on

Such as world domination

And the endless pile of failed projects

[solar gate]

they could literally just buy studios that are actively supporting games for every market that are already successful, with how much they have in the bank

[shrewd depot]

they're a small indie company who cant afford to develop extremely complex game modes like Arms Race

[gusty cave]

Valve has always been a indie company at heart

Not enough resources that simple bugs go unfixed for years

And then out of a blue they will patch the now well known and used feature calling it a bug

[timber geyser]

legitimately, i think that even without throwing out their values, if they stopped using their bullshit company structure, and had slightly lower standards for hiring, half of valve's problems would go away

because from what I can tell, albeit as an outsider, a massive problem with valve is just that their company structure doesn't really promote what they say it does

its not this freeing system of "you can work on whatever you want :)"

[mild locust]

*its not this freeing

system of "you can work on

whatever you want :)"*

- treacherousfiend

[timber geyser]

and because there's not really a real like... team system, projects just die because the teams working on them are small, and end up getting discouraged, probably for a number of reasons, and instead of trying to figure out the issues, they just decide "i'd rather be working on something else" or "i should be working on something else" and it falls apart

and tbh, I don't think their company size really allows them to support all 3 of their big games right now and work on new projects

there's always going to be at least one or more things shafted

tf2 has been shafted for years, dota has been seeing major team size cutbacks recently iirc

not to mention not only working on steam, but also steam deck, steamVR, etc.

quite frankly, I still don't fully understand how valve works, I don't think very many people outside the company do

but it doesn't seem to work well

not just "it doesn't work well for some people" as valve sometimes claims

it just doesn't seem to work

just because you can make good games sometimes and make a lot of money doesn't mean it works

you know what else makes a lot of money and doesn't work? capitalism

[ocean turret]

Valve has like

infinite money

[wicked rock]

get your communist propaganda out here smh smh

[timber geyser]

no i mean like

how they function on the inside

we know the general "you have no boss shit"

and we also know thats not 100% true

etc.

honestly working at valve seems like it'd be a miserable experience

because its not like

[glacial sky]

No pros and all cons

[timber geyser]

"oh we haven't shipped a game in years because we've been working super hard on this one big one"

[glacial sky]

You don't actually have freedom to work on what you want for 2 reasons

[timber geyser]

its "oh we haven't shipped a game in years because they keep getting cancelled because the team falls apart"

[glacial sky]

1 is that there's actually cliques that run the biz

2 is that you can't actually work on what you want without help and it's unlikely you'll get help unless the project is uber cool and sexy

Which is defined by 1

[timber geyser]

3 stack ranking

didn't valve do a thing where they had people just like develop little demos of cool ideas, and then some of them made it into portal 2

why don't they just like do that

take like a month for people to make little demos, if they want

and then work as a company on a project

you don't even have to force people to work on it

just say like "hey guys, we'd like to do this project here as a company, if you want to work on something else thats fine too"

[glacial sky]

if you work on tf2 you get the kiss of death; you get the dread label uncool and can't sit at the big boy lunch table

[timber geyser]

lmao

[ocean turret]

There are def company leaders

like

people who have a lot of slay and influence

[timber geyser]

yeah

[glacial sky]

Mafia dons

[rustic sierra]

valve is basically a capitalist economy on its own

[hot granite]

i mean obv valve can do better and more

they just dont care

there are companies with less resources doing more than valve

primarily because they don't have steam

they cant afford to let their ips go like that because that's all they have

if valve wanted to they could suck every dick in the world, making it better, they just dont rly want to bother

[hot granite]

its a metaphor

[solar gate]

but also literal

[hot granite]

i honestly literally forgot what i was trying to say by this

i legit dont.

remember.

idk what i was cooking here

[supple summit]

if valve wanted to they could suck every dick in the world, making it better, they just dont rly want to bother

[rustic sierra]

why are we talking about sucking EVERY dick

does this include ones detached or buried or anything like that?

why not just talk about making every person happy

[elfin berry]

what the hell is going on here

[gusty cave]

cocksucking

[elfin berry]

Erm?

[solar gate]

because thats not what valve could do

[wicked rock]

are you guys going to be trick or threating?

[hot granite]

i think thats what i was probably trying to say.

[hot granite]

honestly if valve really wanted to they could even do that

question is who's doing all the sucking

[lilac glen]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZT8MQMA4m/

Incredible

[supple summit]

this was possible in CS Source, then became not possible in CSGO

nature is healing

[hot granite]

arms race died for this

[solar gate]

i will be threatening

[lilac glen]

cs2 doesnt show how much damage youve done after dying anymore

[supple summit]

it does in casual game modes

and you can still see it through console, but only in the next round

[elfin berry]

Danger Zone also died for this

And controller support

[lilac glen]

NO XONTROLLER SUPPORT?????

Playing on controller was so fun

[elfin berry]

Yeah on my steam deck the valve preset from csgo just doesn't work anymore

I had to use the WASD template to play which sucks ass because I can't use the rotary menus

[lilac glen]

lol

not even double digits

[pastel frigate]

plenty of games have like 50% for just like playing the game

[mild locust]

*plenty of games have

like 50% for just

like playing the game*

- mederp

[pastel frigate]

a f2p game isn't going to get that much after a couple days lol

[timber geyser]

proud 3.5%er

3.7% now

interesting thing i saw someone mention in the comments of 3kliksphillips new video

the steam page says 85GB space

but the game only takes up 35GB

so it definitely seems like they had more content they were planning on shipping

well i guess we know they did, we've seen images of them lol

[mild locust]

*well i guess we know

they did, we've seen images

of them lol*

- treacherousfiend

[ocean turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1029676566705348679.webp?size=48&name=brahwtfbrah&quality=lossless

I would allow valve to do that to me

[timber geyser]

erm

[solar gate]

theyre going for every dick in the world, you dont have a choice pal

[ocean turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1029676566705348679.webp?size=48&name=brahwtfbrah&quality=lossless

i know

[ocean turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1059552576644841522.webp?size=48&name=3_&quality=lossless

you know what I said

[wicked rock]

can we talk about the game thank you

[minor thistle]

pls no

[wicked rock]

perish

[ocean turret]

no

[wicked rock]

😔

[minor thistle]

that's not very nice of you 😦

[wicked rock]

https://twitter.com/LiterallyCrypt/status/1708814513879855473 task failed successfully i guess? lol this is cs2 hammer 2

Chris Bryant (@LiterallyCrypt)

Oops! All Hammer Geo!

Likes

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Retweets

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Twitter · Oct 2, 2023, 12:01 PM

[ocean turret]

blackops moment

is this like

the map ported into blender

then ported into cs2?

or fully remade in cs2?

[wicked rock]

yep fully ported

[supple summit]

this doesn't answer the question

[wicked rock]

what question

[ocean turret]

the question

[wicked rock]

what question

[ocean turret]

die

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1029676566705348679.webp?size=48&name=brahwtfbrah&quality=lossless

big poop

[wicked rock]

incompressible have a nice day

[ocean turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1127914742552465529.gif?size=48&name=explod&quality=lossless

here

comprehend this

[wicked rock]

sorry can't understand this

[ocean turret]

😭

🐱

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1128274505962373190.gif?size=48&name=BoyKisser&quality=lossless

can u undertand that?

[wicked rock]

nope sorry

[ocean turret]

😔 I see

you are incurable

have bad day

[wicked rock]

i always have abad day

[frigid dagger]

why compiling shaders takes so long specifically for cs2?

like

i spend 1 hour and when i join the game i tells me that i have to update thwe game and starts again from the 0

[knotty vapor]

just skip it

its probably bugged

[timber geyser]

smh, and after valve has done so much for linux gaming

[wicked rock]

can we change the thread name tosomething funny? 🚎

[solar gate]

rename it to counter-strike

because cs is a fucking joke

gottem

[rustic sierra]

Counter-Strike Megathread - Open Beta Period

[versed pecan]

fry about it

[elfin berry]

🍟

[gusty cave]

which card and which driver are you using?

[gusty cave]

what is the state of the news that all content that isn't released is cut content and valve has no intention of working on it currently?

[timber geyser]

this hurt my brain to read

[rustic sierra]

it's confirmed cut content

waiting for people to change their mind

[gusty cave]

yeah my brain is very wonky rn.

[gusty cave]

What is the current status of the news stating that all unreleased content is considered as cut content and Valve has no plans to continue its development?

There

much better

[rustic sierra]

what do you mean though by current status of the news

[gusty cave]

hopium

[knotty vapor]

im still crying about dz

[wicked rock]

stop crying smh

[versed pecan]

the only negative change.

[ocean turret]

This is such a shit move

[glacial sky]

They can readd them as buyable cosmetics

[versed pecan]

love markus

[lilac glen]

This might be me

[versed pecan]

this might be me

[pastel frigate]

this is me 👍👍

[solar gate]

this is not me i look very different from this individual. I am not a drawing for example

[frigid dagger]

gtx 1050 535.113.01

although compiling shaders uses cpu instead of gpu, idk if makes sense but yeah

[frigid dagger]

what?]

thats a bug right? ...

[versed pecan]

what about it is a bug

is literally named "default t/ct agent"

hopefully that issue will be resolved shortly!

[pastel frigate]

yeah......................................

[wicked rock]

damn this is handy

[supple summit]

boomerang wins

[gusty cave]

nuke is a lovely map

tons of fun kz

and flying at lightspeed from ladders

Honestly they should add mindless ladders to some spots just to make more stupid kz jumps possible

[rustic sierra]

https://youtu.be/nXE7JBD0REc

[supple summit]

this is ok

not a big deal

[elfin berry]

Sonic The Hedgehog 4 fans

[gusty cave]

Valve tries to fix one problem and creates another

Also how large is the bleed radius. Can I create a smoke from the top of mirage's tower to the bottom with this shit?

Yee ass smoke

[rustic sierra]

LMAO

[gusty cave]

i still don't understand how the bleeding works tho

Like its not spreading in this case

[wicked rock]

nice smoke

[supple summit]

I don't understand why you would be testing this on dust2

also, besides being kinda ugly, I really don't see this as a problem

like, ok it's different than how the csgo smoke worked, and different than how the cs2 smoke worked at launch

but have you guys thought of the actual gameplay implications of this?

[wicked rock]

i wanted to make a cs2 map but idk what theme i should make it

[gusty cave]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

tested it on a bunch of other maps

the behaviour is weird

[supple summit]

make it themed after somewhere local, so that you know a lot of details to put in without having to reference too many pictures

[wicked rock]

i want to remake that funny brazilian map that got banned in cs1.6

[gusty cave]

Don't understand why the smoke spreads all the way to the bottom in this case

[supple summit]

because it concludes that there is not enough surface area for the smoke to spread on at the level it was thrown

[gusty cave]

Well it doesn't work in alot of of scenarios i tested

[supple summit]

the more ground it finds at or above the smoke level, the less downwards it spreads

[gusty cave]

Okay its not just the ground, I guess the check is for all the area the smoke touches

[supple summit]

for instance, if you throw at the point where that arch meets the wall to the left of the picture, you will see it spreading less downwards

but if it lands in the middle of the arch, it sees less surface area around it, and spread downwards more

[rustic sierra]

it just seems like a solution where the consequences werent thought of

[supple summit]

the fact that, to my mind, the consequences of the smoke spreading downards are much better than the alternative shows that they are thinking of the consequences

the instances where this effect would change gameplay in a meaningful way (besides where they correct the angle based one-ways they are meant to correct) are few and far between

the only one I can think of is the one mentioned in the video, where you can safely drop down to the bombsite (while still making noise, of course)

[lilac glen]

and you can just throw a grenade to clear the smoke and see if needed

[mild locust]

*and you can just throw

a grenade to clear the smoke

and see if needed*

- skyrym

[ocean turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/666008714393944064.webp?size=48&name=funkeHmm&quality=lossless

average valve moment

[rustic sierra]

i just dont get why smokes seem to be non volume preserving in this case

[supple summit]

also, it cancels out the effect if the distance to the ground is too large

[lilac glen]

thats true

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1129135343103389768.webp?size=48&name=IDK&quality=lossless

IDK

[supple summit]

if they were, small geometry could make smokes that should work drop down unintentionally

like, "surely this smoke will work" but it ended close to the ledge, and now all of the smoke's volume fell down the ledge and you are exposed

basically and they kind of still preserve volume up to a certain extent:

i threw on top of the ledge thing

[ocean turret]

me gassing up the caf restroom

[versed pecan]

wowie so true

[gusty cave]

edge bug!

[versed pecan]

no

sex bug

[frigid dagger]

tested a little more cs2 on linux and

performance its getting better but theres major issues, seems like its degrade over time its is weird but i cant tell if is some memory leak

the thing that bothers me about is that valve is working and hiring people that understand a lot of vulkan and drivers that powers linux gaming, steam deck, and their own native vulkan renderer sucks

[lilac glen]

how

🙏

scratched stickers fixed?????

i did that btw 100% theres no other reason they would fix it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/917954568531365919.webp?size=48&name=HmmToday&quality=lossless

mufaka

muddafucka

its still BROCKEN

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/831369737186967602.webp?size=48&name=cryaboutit~1&quality=lossless

[rustic sierra]

if (partner)

[lilac glen]

Guhj

[rustic sierra]

instead of if (partner == 2) or whatever

something like that

though its probably not partner

[timber geyser]

does germany even still have to low violence laws

or is it just legacy code or smth