the rocket spawns and hits you
#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year
uncut spear
that's actually a great idea wow
crisp cedar
yw bro
wintry marlin
did mvm update come out yet
summer steeple
no
orchid sorrel
every casual server ive been on has like 5-6 idle bots named the great reset
they just sit in spectate and cant be kicked
tacit flare
Casual Moment
radiant merlin
burnt dragon
why are the classes replicating different classes
every class is supposed to replicate sniper
except spy can replicate pyro
I have yet to see a class(except spy) that isnt countered by sniper
high current
I mean it depends what you consider a “counter”. I feel like there’s not any way to spin it that scout is countered by sniper
opal bolt
is there anyway i can test how Professional Killstreak Effects look in game without owning then? i want to know how the Effects look on demoman
the only vid i found with all of the effects are on scout 🙁
radiant merlin
I mean it depends what you consider a “counter”. I feel like there’s not any way...
It is supposed to be that scout counters sniper (tho not really)
opal bolt
is there anyway i can test how Professional Killstreak Effects look in game with...
nvm i found Loadout.tf
i wish i knew about this website years ago
craggy ridge
Why would you ever post this
next nymph
Why would you ever post this
he should've listened to his own dating advice https://youtube.com/watch?v=nKJvfjc_RzY
orchid sorrel
You reap what you sow cultivating an audience like that
burnt dragon
Why would you ever post this
why would you ask this to twitter instead of your partner
if you end a relationship over this it means it was over long before this, that type of stuff starts with not trusting someone that YOU LITERALLY SHARE A BED WITH
I swear to god dating has gotten so dogshit
uncut spear
i mean for him, yeah
when he's having to ask for advice on fucking twitter of all places
wintry marlin
Oh so it's a cuck situation, damn alright
wintry marlin
proper tangle
when he's having to ask for advice on fucking twitter of all places
His name? Bedbreaker
high current
if you end a relationship over this it means it was over long before this, that ...
I mean he might not necessarily be sharing a bed with them. If there’s that lack of trust I’d feel like they weren’t sharing a bed.
But yeh treating anything on Twitter as valid opinions is whack.
burnt dragon
hello peaches
high current
I seem to recall he was talking about a past relationship. Seemed like he was seeking affirmation.
Howdy
wintry marlin
Both zesty and soundsmith met their girlfriend by having her draw fanart
Funny coincidence? I THINK NOT
burnt dragon
anyone wanna draw my fanart?
next nymph
i like to think zesty is just extremely online and impressionable
wintry marlin
anyone wanna draw my fanart?
I think this only works on youtubers sorry
burnt dragon
:(
burnt dragon
i like to think zesty is just extremely online and impressionable
he has many opinions that seem deep and well researched, but the second you take a closer look its always shallow
maybe he is a redditor
wintry marlin
his latest 1:30 hour rant can be summed up as "there's no real argument against quickplay" and that the term quickplay was poisoned to mean something bad (by his own admission it might be his reputation) and that all valve needs to do is make their servers viewable on the server browser and basically return ad-hoc connections without calling it quickplay.
wintry marlin
his stated reason why current state of casual is bad is insanely long queue times, non functioning autobalance and disabled team scramble which all have to do with the matchmaking server and sbmm system being insanely overloaded
which results in you quing for 5-10 minutes at peak hours, being dropped into half empty servers which end in 2 minutes or less.
burnt dragon
thats not my experience in eu
nonetheless, complaining is meaningless
valve would show love to cs2 if they wanted to actually fix their games
wintry marlin
well he's from texas and he has good connection to both northwest and east coast
so he's speaking for south africa, SEA and australia
burnt dragon
sub tick system sucks
wintry marlin
what you see is what you get
burnt dragon
thats definitely not true lmao
wintry marlin
burnt dragon
I saw a video in reddit today that someones demo showing the player shooting 3 bullets
dying and then the teammate picking the ak with 29 bullets that he dropped
why is there 2 extra bullets valve?
high current
If you have 5-10 minute queue times you’re doing something wrong
Zesty lives in the same country as I do and I can definitively say he’s making that shit up or he’s only queued for like 2 maps.
next nymph
sucks how my daily 4am sd_doomsday session has to spend so long in the queue
high current
Yeh. Thats pretty much the only situation I see adhoc connections really having a meaningful impact on individual player’s experiences.
You can just directly connect to the single map you want to play.
There’s also the argument that you could probably connect to your friends faster that way, but it’s less of a problem now since recent updates sped that up with the party system.
heavy solarBOT
@high current has leveled up! (25 ➜ 26)
drowsy marlin
complaining is content. We need problems to exist otherwise life is meaningless
next nymph
i hate that, i should make a video about it
drowsy marlin
Don't start things
lone tinsel
i love complaining it's so profitable
drowsy marlin
How do I keep the rent low in my neighborhood?
lone tinsel
murder
wintry marlin
burnt dragon
Don't start things
but... imagine if someone told god to not start things?
next nymph
In the beginning the Universe was created. This had made many people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
- Douglas Adams
worthy pulsar
hey its me
crisp cedar
wtf
rare creek
how is tf2's voice chat so bad
what I played vs what it sounds like in-game
literally just random fuck noise instead of a sine wave
except in the middle for some reason
how is this possible
also there's clicks in the audio every second
eternal haven
Does it still use celt codec
rare creek
no it uses "steam audio"
eternal haven
How does the bit rate work
eternal haven
Maybe they should replcae it with mumble
Just merge mumble into the source engine
and make it work with the source networking somehow
rare creek
they used to use speex
1st half, source audio. 2nd half, voice loopback on listen server with soundscapes stopped
eternal haven
I think the source engine is a lost cause
rare creek
literally just random noise and clicks for no reason
eternal haven
There's lots of places where it could go bad
lossy codec trying to cram the important features into limited size
probably optimized for speech
unreliable/inconsistent networking
shitty sound mixer
who knows
maybe they have like noise reduction features
rare creek
probably optimized for speech
it's nkt
not
i played pink noise and the frequencies are the same in the source as in the loopback
rare creek
unreliable/inconsistent networking
listen server
rare creek
maybe they have like noise reduction features
if they do then it does not work
eternal haven
listen server
U sure it's consistent?
rare creek
yeah
eternal haven
Does the amount of room for voice depend on anything like how much non-voice game data has to go out as well?
or like
idk
rare creek
i dont understand why nobody except discord just fucking uses opus
eternal haven
mumble does
rare creek
opus solves everything
eternal haven
anyways I can imagine a million ways that the network part could be inconsistent even over a link with consistent delivery and latency
rare creek
mumble does
mumble uses speex...
I also like how every dsp effect applies to voice chat in tf2
so your teammates voices echo and muffle for no good reason
eternal haven
I swear 99% of 'audio processing' and audio 'dsp' is trash
rare creek
not true
eternal haven
so much effort goes into this stuff and most of it makes the sound more trash
the stuff that actually improves it is few and far between
rare creek
I do wish valve would port xbox dsp to windows though
they probably dont have the code for it anymore
eternal haven
anyways uh Mumble uses the low-latency audio codec Opus as of version 1.2.4,[8] "Mumble 1.2.4 released | Mumble". blog.mumble.info. Retrieved 2017-09-30.
rare creek
WHAT
eternal haven
Mumble supported opus before discord was even around
rare creek
lone tinsel
i dont understand why nobody except discord just fucking uses opus
steam voice is using opus iirc
rare creek
there is no fucking way it's using opus not with this quality i think opus 8kbps sounds better than this
not to mention it's 24000 hz...
rare creek
ill eat my own nuts if it actually really uses opus opus cant sound this bad
lone tinsel
i'll be holding you to that
eternal haven
Are you sure tf2 still uses steam voice
tf2 wiki says they changed from steam voice to celt in engine in 2016
not that tf2 wiki is necessarily credible
Idk Im too lazy to look
rare creek
tf2 wiki says they changed from steam voice to celt in engine in 2016
???????????????????
explode tf2 wiki
it's wrong
lone tinsel
] sv_voicecodec
"sv_voicecodec" = "steam"
- Specifies which voice codec to use. Valid options are:
vaudio_speex - Legacy Speex codec (lowest quality)
vaudio_celt - Newer CELT codec (22kHz, 22kbps)
vaudio_celt_high - Newer CELT codec, higher bitrate (44kHz, 44kbps)
steam - Use Steam voice API
ive turned off all of steam's voice filters and the noise threshhold and the automatic gain btw, i dont think the steam voice settings actually have any effect on the game but just in case
summer willow
jagged pawn
tyler mcvicker CONFIRMS team fortress three releasing NEXT WEEK
summer willow
im telling you we gonna get orange box 2 with steam machine
uncut spear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhCGIP1ZaQQ
"you wanted it! we have it! team fortress 2 ported to your phone :)"
radiant merlin
uncut spear
?
small sirenBOT
rare creek
the black things
iirc there's a part of the map where like the ceiling lowers down
and it looks like that
eternal haven
you can get crushed in that room
if you stay in there it will crush you
dont get crushed
rare creek
yeah I think so
rare creek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhCGIP1ZaQQ
I imagine it's going to go something like this
valve releases team fortress 3 by replacing team fortress 2
the team fortress 2 server browser master server is taken offline and casual is killed
everyone's achievements and stats are reset
it runs like shit and looks like shit
and it can't be modded or interacted with by client rcon
it will have 1/10th the content that tf2 has now
and also your null movement wont work and valve will patch mastercomfig by disabling exec
oh but dont worry it will be just moddable enough for people to make cosmetics for valve to put into their game for free so that the artists at valve dont have to do their jobs
servers will have to publish all of their mods to the workshop so that valve can take down any mario kart maps
no more fastdl
thanks and have fun
also the servers will still be completely unmoderated and there will still be cheaters
lone tinsel
🥱
worthy pulsar
sounds abt right
stone light
stone light
still need to do some work on the mixing as its rough but the concept works
rare creek
I imagine it's going to go something like this
valve releases team fortress 3 by...
the only positive I can see is that since we have the sdk now we could hopefully continue playing on some community maintained version of tf2, hopefully
that's assuming that valve doesn't cease and desist these mods after the release of "team fortress 3" like they did with classic offensive
which I don't think they will
I legitimately do not have any hope in valve creating a good team fortress 2 successor, they already can't maintain current tf2
god knows I wont be able to run it
there are already people asking for help in this server who get 40 fps on tf2 if the fps drop is anything like cs2's fps drop then the average player probably wont be able to hit 60 fps
I can not hit 60 fps in cs2 without lowering my resolution.
honestly genuinely terrible news for team fortress
jaunty marsh
good thing we in the Server that helps with all dat and more
radiant merlin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2lEKDERxWI
Cool!
Btw, do you happen to have anything planned to fix shadows?
small sirenBOT
green tulip
Btw, do you happen to have anything planned to fix shadows?
what's up with shadows?
like that could refer to one of many different things
eternal haven
They go thru walls
They fuck your performance so bad theyre not worth using
idk
prolly one of those two
radiant merlin
Going thru walls
rare creek
I've been seeing whatever this is a lot lately too
just a pile of player shadows probably at the map origin
left sand
Btw, do you happen to have anything planned to fix shadows?
i have something in the works
rare creek
uncut spear
finally put on headphones for this and wow, that is a great difference
small sirenBOT
rare creek
tbh you need to turn it down i think....
rare creek
wtf
high current
Imagine pirating a free game smh my head
I wonder if that pops up if you launch the tf2 executable directly and not through Steam.
paper sluice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2lEKDERxWI
This would kill me being able to decloak directly behind someone 😿
eternal haven
I wonder if that pops up if you launch the tf2 executable directly and not throu...
Pretty sure you only get that specific error message if you really are authenticated with steam specifically with an account that really doesn't own tf2
rare creek
bro it's a free game
eternal haven
Maybe leaving tf2 open while you switch steam accounts in steam could get you into that state naturally? Not sure
eternal haven
bro it's a free game
You still need to own it
lone tinsel
Pretty sure you only get that specific error message if you really are authentic...
literally every account on steam owns tf2, something else is going on
wintry marlin
You have to have the game in your library.
By that logic everyone owns every single free game on steam simultaneously.
lone tinsel
You have to have the game in your library.
it's part of the steam package, which every account owns by default
wintry marlin
Adding the license is a necessary step in the process though.
small sirenBOT
lone tinsel
is it?
wintry marlin
You can verify what free games you have.
lone tinsel
] licenses_for_app 440
License packageID 0:
i do not own anything
and yet i still have tf2 in my library
lone tinsel
and yet i still have tf2 in my library
because it is part of package 0, which every account gets by default
(unless you're an anonymous account but i'm pretty sure the anonymous package also owns tf2)
wintry marlin
Source spaghetti runs deep it seems.
lone tinsel
this isn't source spaghetti
it's just how steam works
you get a license to package 0 when you create an account
and valve put tf2 in package 0
small sirenBOT
wintry marlin
The error appears ingame though
wintry marlin
I'd assume steam works as intended
lone tinsel
steam is the one returning that specific error code
wintry marlin
Are there other games under package 0
lone tinsel
eternal haven
Well I wonder how someone got in a state where they don't own tf2 then
If everyone owns it
wintry marlin
Honestly got no clue what's actually going on, only guesses.
Spaghetti monster is doing it in some way
lone tinsel
the auth ticket expired maybe?
or the auth itself server is being stupid
rare creek
I just assumed they were using a steam crack and didnt really have an account
rare creek
idk, how would they get a valid auth ticket then
they probably didnt...
eternal haven
the auth ticket expired maybe?
I guess it pretty much has to be this
broken thistle
doesnt help that tactical shooters SUCK!
burnt dragon
doesnt help that tactical shooters SUCK!
I love tactical shooter game cs2, when queueing solo I love playing with 3 obnoxious russians that scream in russian and a turkish guy that's cheating but uncertain how the map works
my favorite part? getting called racial slurs when I say glhf
truly the experience of a life time and a half... life
which is 3 halves
of life
rare creek
I love tactical shooter game cs2, when queueing solo I love playing with 3 obnox...
this literally just isnt a problem in valorant
burnt dragon
but dude, its valorant
crisp cedar
game with 0 cultural impact btw
burnt dragon
no it has cultural impact
nearly any and all clips I have seen of valorant is amount one egirl saying if he aces the round she will let him lick her toes and a high pitched guy screetching and doing the cringe mommy bit
I have seen several different versions of that clip in the following the release of valorant
I prefer the racist russians and hacker turks over whatever the fuck bait that is
rare creek
nearly any and all clips I have seen of valorant is amount one egirl saying if h...
you hate hearing women speak and getting the priviledge to lick their toes and have them say uwu
burnt dragon
rare creek
YOU HATE WOMENN
crisp cedar
if valorant shut down today theyd all go play marvel rivals
burnt dragon
YOU HATE WOMENN
I have everyone equally <3
high current
if valorant shut down today theyd all go play marvel rivals
50% would play marvel rivals, the other 50% would go back to tier 2 CS
100% would make clickbait videos somehow acting like their whole life just collapsed
left sand
and thats why CS sucks
balmy bronze
and thats why CS sucks
Thats why CS2 is better*
The lion distances himself from mortal temptations to lock in to the ranked match
left sand
no, getting harassed and kicked in CS really actually sucks
small sirenBOT
balmy bronze
no, getting harassed and kicked in CS really actually sucks
I dont play CS2, do you actually get harrassed in lobbies for being a woman?
left sand
yes
dota and CS
ive been told "im gonna find out where you live and come r*pe you"
or "get this bitch out of here"
or being team killed constantly by each person
high current
Unfortunately I think that's a similar experience in Valorant. Can't speak first person but I saw it a lot when playing with women.
left sand
i only played valorant during the beta but i had a nice experience
nicest experience though was in fortnite
high current
I think the valorant community changed a LOT since beta
it wen't from: "hey we're all trying this together"
to: "you're the sole reason I'm not going pro"
rare creek
what??????????
ive never heard this in valorant
and unlike any valve game ive had my harassment reports actually responded to in valorant
burnt dragon
cs2 fucking sucks
I remember few times that 4 russians and me while Im second best scoring in team they kick me the round before victory
just so I dont get xp or win of that match
burnt dragon
no, getting harassed and kicked in CS really actually sucks
theres people that randomly kick you even if you dont talk
or even if you play casual
its SO FUCKING IRRITATING
burnt dragon
ive been told "im gonna find out where you live and come r*pe you"
their gamerfat covered micropp when I shove a 12 gauger down their throat:
but yeah, back to context, valve sucks at making multiplayer games
and maintaining them
crisp cedar
idk if they suck at making them but they do have a poor track record at maintaining the things theyve made
burnt dragon
their singleplayer games are ALWAYS better than their multiplayer games
and Im saying this as someone that LOVES tf2
except half life source we dont talk about that game
all of their singleplayer games are still accepted as gems to this day while their multiplayer games are either buried 6 feet under or with barely alive niche communities
crisp cedar
all of their multiplayer hits have had long lasting impact on gaming culture
burnt dragon
I bet you at least 100 bucks if cs2 was made by another company it would get shit on and die within a year
the only reason its still a thing is because of "valve" stamp
crisp cedar
not really, cs is just a one of a kind game
every time valve tried to change the formula the community was extremely unhappy about it
they try to reinventing the game in some way but all cs players want to do is to play the same fucking game over and over
burnt dragon
1.6 source go definitely games that pushed the competitive scene further ahead
cs2 isnt it :)
eternal haven
idk if they suck at making them but they do have a poor track record at maintain...
what other company has maintained a game for half as long as valve has maintained counter strike
burnt dragon
they made new counter strike games
crisp cedar
cs2 isnt it :)
go was extremely controversial at the time of release
and was long considered the worst version of cs ever
and now that cs2 is out people look back very fondly on it
its fake nostalgia
burnt dragon
thats like saying COD is supported for 20 years just cause they release a new game every year
burnt dragon
and was long considered the worst version of cs ever
because early releases of cs go was unbalanced
was wayyy too demanding for the average computers of the time
crisp cedar
sounds pretty familiar
burnt dragon
no it doesnt D:
crisp cedar
my point is that idk why the insistence on cs2 being a failure
burnt dragon
cs2 havent gotten a proper update since last august
and thats a reskin of a map
before that it was in may and they added quest system
burnt dragon
theres near to no changes to weapon handling and buggy sub tick system
with a vac that can be bypassed by free cheats
left sand
didnt they work on the subtick system a lot
left sand
and the weapon handling systems have gotten a lot of stuff, they even reworked the animation system
crisp cedar
and they decided that theyll just preserve the game as it is for the most part, only iterating on maps
burnt dragon
that was before quest system
left sand
also theres progression / rewards now which they added
burnt dragon
gambling D:
left sand
also trueview
crisp cedar
you severely dont understand
left sand
they added sniper / c4 changes
crisp cedar
what makes cs appealing to people who play cs
burnt dragon
also trueview
only applies to client side demo recording
burnt dragon
its not helpful to gameplay itself?
crisp cedar
thats still huge
burnt dragon
burnt dragon
fair enough
crisp cedar
in any case, its unfair to imply cs2 isnt as successful as all the other cs iterations when it hasnt been around as long as the other games inbetween releases
burnt dragon
I just hope they implement a custom version of faceit anticheat to the game as default to ranked matches
faceit as itself is full of tryhards and competitive is full of cheaters
it gets boring in casual
crisp cedar
all of their multiplayer hits have had long lasting impact on gaming culture
tf2, cs, dota, left 4 dead, now deadlock on the rise
burnt dragon
left 4 dead is pve, they are good at doing team work games
crisp cedar
valve knows how to play multiplayer games, they have a lot of experience about this kind of thing under their belt
burnt dragon
portal 2 multiplayer was also amazing
crisp cedar
still a multiplayer game
my point still stands that valve understand how to make good multiplayer experiences
even artifact, despite its horrible business model, had something going for it
burnt dragon
honestly now that Im thinking I dont know what would be a good competitive game for fps games
I cant think of a competitive fps to compare to say they are missing doing x
because the market is... extremely saturated yet extremely open
crisp cedar
i dont think everything has to be looked at through the lens of competitive viability
burnt dragon
thats the way cs2 is made
it doesnt include much randomness outside of bullet spread, and thats fairly predictable for weapons
and happens more as player holds down the trigger
next nymph
thats like saying COD is supported for 20 years just cause they release a new ga...
i know this was kinda skipped over but:
- totally different games in a series is a different situation than iterations and reworks of the same game
- but also yes 100% props to activision for continuously working on a popular multiplayer series for over two decades, i know people love to hate on cod but i think its fine to recognize that they have been continuing the franchise for longer than most
burnt dragon
I like how guns of cod feel
their snipers are little overpowered against oblivious players but rest is fairly balanced
I disagree its worth of 60 dollars every year tho
I played WWII lastly as the campaign and that was really fun!
BUT I dont think they maintain their games at all
they are a bigger culprit of that in fact, until COD BO2 theres a bug that lets any server execute any commands on client side computer
and they still sell those games for full price
at least valve does small patches and fixes to their 20 yo games-w-
next nymph
I mean aint that kinda the point, valve does really good for maintaining games from 20 years ago
next nymph
valve ok
rare creek
I bet you at least 100 bucks if cs2 was made by another company it would get shi...
no, it would have gotten shit on if it wasnt a sequel with good games coming prior
I think even if another game company made the entire counter strike series cs2 wouldnt be dead
rare creek
i wish cod stopped being bad :(
burnt dragon
i wish cod stopped being bad :(
wish granted, activision gets bought by saudis, they decommission the franchise
rare creek
im only saying that because i never really got to experience cod
burnt dragon
I did... I saw it slowly go to shit then stopped caring
thats when I got into minecraft
burnt dragon
theres community patches
and community client for community levelling
and community official esque server/character support, its good
rare creek
wouldnt that get you banned for cheating
crisp cedar
I think even if another game company made the entire counter strike series cs2 w...
what world are u living in that a game with about a million players is dead to you
rare creek
what world are u living in that a game with about a million players is dead to y...
what?
when did i say anything was dead
crisp cedar
you implied that if another game company made the entire cs series of games
that cs2 wouldnt be dead
in that message
no?
rare creek
no that's not what I said
I said that even if another company made counter strike and cs2, cs2 still wouldn't be dead
crisp cedar
oh okay, thanks for clarifying
uncut spear
mb on that too
rare creek
(assuming that the games turned out exactly as how valve made them)
(it's just not dead because it's a sequel, imo if cs2 was the first entry in the series then it would be dead)
summer steeple
(it's just not dead because it's a sequel, imo if cs2 was the first entry in the...
if cs2 was the first entry in the series then it would be deadlock
uncut spear
has anyone else been able to mod the sound of the wrap assassin?
specifically when you throw it and it cracks
this isn't smthn I'm super concerned about btw but
I have even tried the vo and custom script trick to no avail
small sirenBOT
uncut spear
it just don't work
here's the specific mod I'm using too
I've left a comment about this but if y'all have any ideas, that'd be cool
burnt dragon
if deadlock was made by another company it would still be popular
rare creek
ive reported like 100 bots within the past week, not a SINGLE ONE OF THEM BANNED, THANKS VALVE FOR ONLY CARING LONG ENOUGH TO KILL #SAVETF2
rare creek
burnt dragon
I need tf2 classic to release fully so I can play with more than 20 exact same people I played since last year
drowsy marlin
Tf2 classic is obsessed with hydro for some reason
drowsy marlin
Hydro sucks
paper sluice
It sucks so good
cursive peak
Hydro is just a 5CP map that sends everyone back to the spawn room after a point capture.
rare creek
why is there so many "uncraftable" and "unmarketable" non achievement items in my inventory where tf do they come from
does tf2 just randomly give you these
yeah thanks valve for spamming my inventory with literally worthless items
rare creek
not uncraftable
eternal haven
that ones different
maybe someone trade it to you
I think it comes from mann co store
rare creek
the economy system in tf2 is actually so fucking bad
it takes me 30 mouse clicks to just craft one scrap
I counted
rare creek
ew
eternal haven
thats what people do
if you dont want to sit there and click
and dont want to spend time automating it yourself
rare creek
it takes 284 clicks to craft one ref
rare creek
3+27*9+1+9*3+1+9
3 to get to the scrap crafting menu
27 clicks to craft one scrap (assuming the items you're smelting are on page 10 like they are for me after sorting by class)
9 scrap needed for 1 ref
1 to switch to the reclaimed metal crafting
9 clicks for crafting each reclaimed
3 reclaims needed for 1 ref
1 click to switch to ref metal crafting
9 clicks to craft 1 ref (from 3 reclaimed)
eternal haven
thats a lot of clicks
rare creek
do that 3 times and add a few clicks if you want to craft a random hat
why does it show me my cases in the scrap crafting menu
why is there no page buttons
like basic shit is just inconvenient for no fucking reason
small sirenBOT
rare creek
theres page buttons in the regular inventory menu
but not in the crafting inventory
????????????
rare creek
3+27\*9+1+9\*3+1+9
3 to get to the scrap crafting menu
27 clicks to craft one sc...
god forbid your weapons are on page 20 or smth
20 extra clicks per scrap
which would be 464 clicks per ref
also the "Disallow items with special qualities" button basically doesnt work
why does my killstreak sniper rifle not count
but my strange ks sniper rifle does
rare creek
anyways after literally thousands of clicks ive crafted all my duplicate items into ref
eternal haven
Impressive bro well done
rare creek
runescape players would be proud of me
eternal haven
Now you can sell it for 50 cents
high current
anyways after literally thousands of clicks ive crafted all my duplicate items i...
First time?
rare creek
no
rare creek
actually probably far from the first time
high current
Pretty sure I have more than 1 keys worth of ref just from crafting. I have like 1 and a half pages. So probably 70-80 ref
Hell yeh. Basically mined $3 ⛏️
rare creek
i dont like new players
burnt dragon
I feel like they arent fond of your existence as well
yesterday there was a kid in my lobby that was like 7-8 years old max, repeating scout lines while bonking, running towards enemies and then hitting them with the bat
I just pocketed him until he got autobalanced then left soon after
it was a nice experience imo :>
drowsy marlin
New players are the future of the game, so be nice to them and teach them
They could have chose to play fortnite or something
rare creek
jaunty marsh
https://youtu.be/skTCMStphG8
these videos are always funny because do the same thing with sniper heavy engineer and the (Insanely OP Base Jumper) is kinda good but not great GOD i despise Comp
rare creek
what
left sand
these videos are always funny because do the same thing with sniper heavy engine...
the point of the video is that it shows that the base jumper's air control was not changed, the only thing that changed about it is that you cant spam redeploy anymore and the max speed in the air was changed from 400 to 300
so dodging is just as effective
jaunty marsh
which is classic valve the weapon becomes hard to use in standard 12v12 play and is still a problem in comp and banned
summer steeple
its not banned in comp (which is mentioned in the video btw)
or at least hasn't been in years
jaunty marsh
Then i shall correct it but still kinda poopy
rare creek
can you at least watch the video first
jaunty marsh
i watched 90% except the very very end i swearrrr
rare creek
Why did Maul and Cutter get excluded from the Smissmas map pool this year?
summer steeple
are they missing? interesting
maul might be shoved into the vsh category
since that’s new since last year
radiant merlin
uncut spear
yo?
left sand
oh i had a similar fix in stash lol
tacit flare
noooooooo now I wont see spies hugging corners behind walls
It's crazy that this can be considered a Spy buff. So much BS.
small sirenBOT
tacit flare
Thank you HaikuBot.
radiant merlin
oh i had a similar fix in stash lol
this is still left to fix but i guess you don't have access to that too
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high current
which is classic valve the weapon becomes hard to use in standard 12v12 play and...
Didn’t really make it any harder to use in standard 12v12 tbh. IMO it was a good example of a nerf executed reasonably.
Weapon showed it could be used in unintended ways and valve nerfed the unintended playstyle while leaving the intended use virtually untouched.
There’s better examples of shit nerfs, I think sandman was one of them.
Took a weapon, and weapon combo, with a problematic mechanic and replaced it with a dysfunctional mechanic and removed the weapon combo that was widely cherished. Essentially removing the weapon from the game.
Bison is another example of Valve nerf logic, but I’m convinced that it kinda just became a meme to nerf that weapon with every update.
jaunty marsh
Didn’t really make it any harder to use in standard 12v12 tbh. IMO it was a good...
Id deny that for the sake of you going to high into the air just spells your doom you will take damage from hitscan and have to live with rng fall damage to the floor you can still use it if you keep a distance to the floor to minimize fall damage but it neutered any other playstyle with it that still has equal tradeoffs
Though yes compared to sandman bison and other way worser nerfs it got off easier
high current
Id deny that for the sake of you going to high into the air just spells your doo...
Rng fall damage is usually marginal. If you’re a rocket jumping soldier it’s just something you accept whether you run parachute or not. If you don’t want to take fall damage and want to avoid being shot then you can just deploy it before you hit the ground and not float across the whole map like Marry Poppins.
Opening it at max height was never a smart move in casual but the people doing that can still do it. In comp it was a problem because with scouts and soldiers no one could really retaliate. Even in HL where you have people that can retaliate, demomen run it on upward offense to kill the sentry from the skybox before they can be punished.
It’s just now more committed to whatever you originally start doing, which I don’t hate.
left sand
i think it should let you deploy it based on the animation of it going in or out
high current
I’d argue it got a little more finicky to use. If you’re used to hitting space everytime you rocket jump, grounded or not, then you’ll waste your parachute more than you would before. Or if you come from games with coyote time so you miss a jump input walking off a ledge, you’ll burn a parachute charge.
I think with a decade of hindsight, a better change would have been a cooldown of 1-2 seconds in parachute close / open.
left sand
so basically a 1 to 2 second cooldown
high current
I agree!
But I think that’s easier to say in hindsight. I think ultimately it’s a weapon that you can nitpick about how it should work but I think at the moment it’s fine.
IMO the cooldown would be more of a QOL buff than an actual buff. Which is honestly the best kind of buff
left sand
i think the tf2 team has always favored to add limits rather than cooldowns
which imo i think is lazy
but also probably because theyre scared of lag compensation
jaunty marsh
Rng fall damage is usually marginal. If you’re a rocket jumping soldier it’s jus...
my thing about it is that as it was, it was fine in casual but as you said it was a problem in Comp which is unfortunate but even more unfortunate is that valve was balancing around Comp which in turn made the weapon less then what it was which kinda sucks
left sand
i dont think its necessarily fine in casual because theres always gonna be annoying sweaty tryhards and comp players playing in pubs, abusing some really obscure broken tech
a lot of people dislike playing against that
its actually usually why arena shooters die and why tf2 is so successful
tf2 has a balance of skill floor, skill ceiling, skill ramp and skill gap
patching out literally spamming the deploy over and over to stutter step your movement was definitely good
and it has nothing to do with comp at the end of the day
could it have been used comp a lot and thus the ner would heavily affect it? sure, but do you really think that casual players completely relied on the spam tech?
no they didnt, maybe they did a few redeploys here and there, but thats entirely on valve for nerfing the weapon way too hard and then basically abandoning the game without iterating further (their strong suit)
jaunty marsh
im completely fine with a cooldown inbetween as you had suggested im saying instead of simply working around that issue they just flatout removed the ability to redeploy
left sand
yes but I'm saying them choosing to do has nothing to do with comp
its a failure on Valve's part, primely that they stopped iterating on the game
i have a lot of criticism of comp players
high current
Tbh if it wasn’t banned in comp and changed it probably would have been exploited more in casual.
Just a theory, but usually comp players tend to use tech they could use in comp (even if super niche / useless). And those either get passed to exploiter communities or made into meme montages or whatever.
left sand
but this isnt one of them
left sand
Tbh if it wasn’t banned in comp and changed it probably would have been exploite...
trickle down balance isn't entirely a myth even in a casual game
that doesnt mean we take the same conclusions from it as uncle dane did in that very old video
but
yeah, comp players can be annoying in pubs, and that should usually be nerfed and weapons should be streamlined to get rid of OP jank
high current
Yeh. I’d say it’s less “trickle down balance” and more “canary in a coal mine.”
If something is broken in comp, it’ll be broken in casual eventually.
left sand
valve went way too hard and then didnt have the time to pull back
which is precisely why im working on tc2
basically continuing that iteration
i think 99% of frustrations about the game rn stem from valve being unable to continue updating/iterating on the game
so things are left stale, half baked, etc, especially when a lot of the ideas were on purpose controversial so they could generate feedback and then make the correct change later
valve does that a lot, problem is, this time they didnt actually continue changing
you'll see them overbuff or overnerf a weapon then hotfix it shortly later
high current
Balance works best when it’s iterative imo. Or even when it has potential to be iterative.
Valve can cook up the perfect balance changes all they’d like, but they aren’t perfect and they can’t see the future.
My hot take is that the amby nerf is closer to a good balance change than it is a blatantly bad balance change.
It’s overdone but I think limiting spy’s pseudo sniper role was fine.
I was pretty hard against it ages ago, but having played comp for a couple more thousands of hours and played valorant.
That weapon would suck to play against in the hands of today’s players.
jaunty marsh
i think the amby was fine people wanting to play spyiper was niche at best though in a 6v6 format having a Sniper that can go invisible would be pretty bad
left sand
i still think the problem about the amby is that its incredibly fun and the other revolvers arent
jaunty marsh
todays players is funny the only reason "todays players" would be good with it is because the only people still playing this game consistently are people with thousands of hours
left sand
the amby is the only egoist revolver for an egoist class
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left sand
todays players is funny the only reason "todays players" would be good with it i...
eh, tbh the fps and shooter market and a lot of other genres, the skill floor is way harder
which is why most games are adding complexityslop
people are trained as gamers now, and have honed the basics sooo much
your average fps player nowadays is pretty close to the skill level of a top quake 1 player back in the day
high current
Eh. Modern people getting into gaming are grinding aim trainers and taking aderall recreationally or overdoing their prescriptions.
That’s not even boomer talk. I’ve literally been in calls with people grinding aim trainers before and after playing and talked about my extremely limited aderall prescription medically to hear them go “ah man I need to get on that shit so I can get WIRED”
Like dog it’s an amphetamine that can lead to neurological disorders like dementia later in life.
jaunty marsh
idk about that the only reason people are honed is for the taste of Esports fame where now games are more mainstream its why alot of games now adays are more handholdy
left sand
you can see the same thing in MOBAs, even the low ranks are abusing tactics only used in the top 1% of players 10 years ago
can see it in platformers too
jaunty marsh
TF2 even as an older game was really good at letting all skill levels play and have fun with Engineer and Pyro
left sand
people who play platformers have gotten cracked at those games
and theyve become more challenging
sure, in some cases some games are appealing to expanding the market
high current
IMO my skill level as a TF2 player has improved pretty much at the pace of the average skill level in comp TF2. So I’m WAYYYY better than I was 5 years ago. But people who get into the game now and move up just treat it differently than people used to. So as a result I’ve pretty much stayed at the same place in ranking.
left sand
but the problem is most games nowadays assume youre a "gamer" so the learning curve is really steep
jaunty marsh
iiiiiiiiidk play any remaster and remake and get ham fisted with tutorials and yellow paint
left sand
so those "baby" games which hand hold you are kinda needed to introduce someone to gaming
look at cod from 2004 to cod now
jaunty marsh
most franchises like your call of dutys expect people to be gamers true but you still need to be semi welcoming to all Mobas and more Comp orientated games will have established metas and otherwise why TF2 is so popular is because you can play anyway you want and still have a enjoyable experience because the base gameplay is just fun to experience
left sand
like, im not saying this isnt true
theres lots of baby games, lots of hyper optimized gamer esport slop
and yes i agree tf2 is special
left sand
tf2 has a balance of skill floor, skill ceiling, skill ramp and skill gap
which is what i said here
but still, the players move up somewhat, both from playing tf2 and playing games in general
but the beauty of tf2 is that it is so responsive to that all on its own, the design is so great that it can last throughout all these shifts
jaunty marsh
People who play the most comp heavy play arent walking into normal TF2 matches wanting to crush people they do that for a more chill gameplay loop or to idk be Spy Heavy or smth
left sand
and it almost perfectly balances how much you can get away with
by being skilled
notice how even slight deviations by adding a few bonuses completely destroys this and valve has to add the domination mechanic
in mannpower
it makes good players too good
jaunty marsh
which is true and i think you wanting to create a proper space to lead Comp players to is great because Casual as is has no filter so you will get one sided matches etc etc
without even spread or proper venting of playstyles it leads to alot of whitenoise and Noob crushing experiences
which leads to anyone new leaving because of queuing into half finished matches and getting steamrolled
left sand
which is true and i think you wanting to create a proper space to lead Comp play...
which space is that?
like an actual competitive matchmaking?
jaunty marsh
yee
People want to show off their skills no matter what but with Valve Comp being dead the only way they can do that is waltzing into Casual matches and absolutely destroy which isnt fun for anyone just trying to play well Casually
actual making the Comp Gamemode that they should have done to begin with will allow for a proper flow
high current
Eh. Competitive match making has never lead me to community competitive personally.
IMO built in competitive in games is usually just half assed and a toxic sludge pool.
I’ve played a couple of games in community competitive. IMO casual with friends is an easier transition to community competitive than OEM competitive to community competitive.
I’ve formed teams with IRL friends that worked more naturally together and better together than legitimate different professionally rostered players.
Obviously individual skill levels were different and with practice pro comms could be better. But for a weekend tournament real friends make better teams than misc pros IMO.
jaunty marsh
im saying having a actual Comp Gamemode that uses the bases of Community comps and not the abysmal Valve Comp we got would allow for easier pathing rather than needing to find league times discords and setting up
i know mcom talked of having a Comp mode just having the ability of each team to ban weapons rather than having a set ban list depending on the league you play
high current
Maybe? But playing comp for rank isn’t really when you’ll show off. If rank is on the line you tend to play more conservatively.
It also scratches a different itch. Sweating with randos is very different than sweating for 3-4 months with a team of guys.
Tbh community competitive is easier to get into than OEM competitive.
People just don’t know that so they don’t bother.
jaunty marsh
if the Party system is still incorporated into TC2 then that wont be a issue
for the whole being with randos thing
high current
That’s held true for TF2, Valorant, CS, Planetside 2.
Tbh the only exception might be Paladins because the community competitive was exceptionally obscure there. But that was also my first community competitive experience.
left sand
i think youll be very pleasantly surprised with how this turns out
high current
I’ll have to get some lads together to try it out.
Is it like Valorant’s sorta rostered in-game comp system?
I didn’t play when that was added but I had some friends who did.
left sand
role queue?
high current
No they had a thing where it was an in-game system where I think you could register 5 or maybe 6 players on a team, and then at a certain time you’d have a match against another team that you’d just queue for in game against.
I might have misunderstood.
left sand
like a weekend tourney?
high current
Pretty much. I think Valorant’s system was more just like a competitive season type thing. I’m not sure how reception of it was.
But it became a system for how VCT teams qualified for majors.
left sand
what's vct
high current
Basically Valorant’s equivalent of CS’s Valve hosted majors.
Just Riot hosted majors
next nymph
iiiiiiiiidk play any remaster and remake and get ham fisted with tutorials and y...
the real reason you see more tutorials and yellow paint nowadays is because players don't want to spend 5 hours fiddling around trying to figure out where to go until they cave and buy the guidebook
lone tinsel
gamers these days are so lazy...
next nymph
the modern gamer wouldnt survive 5 minutes in a point and click adventure game
high current
That’s where I got my start in gaming and I will never go back there
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jaunty marsh
the real reason you see more tutorials and yellow paint nowadays is because play...
classic games had proper game direction and layout so you can apply yourself and think critical but games nowadays are just netflix choose your own adventure on rails stuff
next nymph
nah, games back in the day were notoriously bad for exactly that. A lot of the time you were either basically directionless and just had to beat your head against the wall enough to figure out what next, or you were on rails to an extent you don't really see anymore
I think this kinda ties into what mcoms is saying. There's an assumption that players have more mechanical skill these days, and for the most part game design has focused on getting players on track to use those skills faster and with less knowledge barriers
yellow paint specifically became popular as a reaction to realistic art styles visually blending interactable and uninteractable level components, which lead to players trying to jump to ledges they can't grab for example. But this is just a recent development in a long trend of design emphasizing the core challenges and streamlining the unintentional barriers.
stone linden
old games had 30 page long manuals to explain how to jump around instead of tutorials
high current
Nintendo had a hotline you could call to ask for help.
burnt dragon
fun fact: if a medic decides to ignore my screams for healing as top scoring scout, I have my right to steal med kits
radiant merlin
hoo lee shet
New festive weapons?
Omfg time to buy some festivizers
Also phlog low fps exploit fixed allegedly
left sand
Also phlog low fps exploit fixed allegedly
what was this and what was the change that fixed this?
old remnant
reposting here since I didn't intially see the thread
but ty mcoms!
I guess the first and only time I booted up tc2 and running into ya resulted in a bug getting fixed
now I don't have to worry about quickfix ubers messing up my movement
orchid sorrel
Gulp
left sand
an explosion dealing melee damage is just bad
old remnant
does this mean that the explosion can bypass vaccinator?
cus if so I'm all for it in that regard
radiant merlin
what was this and what was the change that fixed this?
radiant merlin
"Fixed render box of tf_flame_manager using wrong vectors (community fix from by Hamn) "
proper tangle
love it
left sand
does this mean that the explosion can bypass vaccinator?
yes but i dont mean the like, balance changes
i dont really care about that
but theres a lot of checks specifically like
to check for a MELEE weapon like a swung weapon
like it assumes only melee weapons can deal melee damage
so it could even cause crashes
it would be way better to use a specific check for the caber in the cases it wanted to fix
radiant merlin
steamcommunity down?
festivizers selling like hot cakes
mappers should stop putting custom announcers into their maps
not only a lot of them sound bad, they also can't be localized
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left sand
Does this mean busters now do melee dmg
maybe yeah
radiant merlin
once again valve has managed to make me not care about the update 👏
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drowsy marlin
Which weapons can become festivised now?
left sand
There's also vphysics changes it seems
and a new workshop payment method
for direct payments
i think it may have been done for this
probably like a $10k - $50k payment
idk what this is
they also seem to have cleaned up a lot item schema
adding missing tags to items for if they can headshot and stuff
probably used for contracts
left sand
Which weapons can become festivised now?
its basically every weapon it seems
wintry marlin
is the mvm update out yet
summer steeple
love the interp fix thing
thanks i’m dreading opening my email when i turn on my computer tonight since i bet i’ll see 100000 angry spy mains complaining about something they don’t understand
stone linden
i heard someone say the caber is still reduced by the vaccinator since it is both melee and explosive damage but i didn’t check the code myself
no citation posted
summer steeple
well actually i guess there’s multiple interp related fixes so it depends which one you mean
wintry marlin
mvm update postponed 2026 ig
uncut spear
well actually i guess there’s multiple interp related fixes so it depends which ...
the round to the nearest tick one
summer steeple
yeah that was me
tbh every time i think about that change theres a part of me that’s like “i don’t really understand interp that well either is this a fix or is this worse”
uncut spear
I have a slight understanding of interp and I love the change
summer steeple
it’s been a while since i looked at the code i think i just looked into every place that cl_interp is used and noticed that net_graph was the only place that didn’t round it so i just changed that
so i’m pretty confident it’s an improvement
left sand
its a visual only change yeah itll inform playsrs better
if only that 0.000001 check could be fixed
radiant merlin
oh also now modelposes are fixed
floral sandal
oh also now modelposes are fixed
was this change merged? seems like it based on screenshot https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/pull/1644
summer steeple
thanks i’m dreading opening my email when i turn on my computer tonight since i ...
no angry emails
floral sandal
ok but I don't wanna have poorly done bitl commits taint tf2
left sand
tc2 will fix them
i mean like
to be serious
okay for one
the only reason im mean to bitl is that they were mean to me a few times :( and im just kinda joking, sometimes this game's codebase is hard and complex and hard to really imagine what the side effects are
HOWEVER
this was totally forseeable
and i mean, its just like, some people are just not used to working with such a large codebase and examining changes deeply
and valve should do better review ig
but yeah, i am so strapped for time as is
floral sandal
I'm being a little facetious, you don't have to play janitor for the entire tf2 codebase. and yeah it's more systematic of poor code reviews from valve and others. you're a saint
left sand
im literally like overwhelmed with tc2 sometimes
rare creek
it's peak
balmy bronze
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/pull/1697#issuecomment-36353722...
I was looking at the commits out of curiosity and found this gem
From a gameplay standpoint, I like the caber explosion counting as melee damage
It gives the caber an interesting niche
But if it will cause as many techincal issues as mcoms says, might as well just patch it out
floral sandal
https://youtu.be/WX5VOZDNeew?si=jFcsh65PSziJqSAz
9:20 why are the lights for the widowmaker so much larger compared to all other festivizers? Is it an unintentional scaling issue?
floral sandal
also were the vscript physics fixes merged into the game?
high current
- Festive Boston Basher looks kinda sick it’s so pokey.
- I like the Festive Solemn Vow with the crown of lights.
- The Ambassador is hilarious. I know it’s just a silver version of the real Festive Amby, but still funny it has 1 light.
rare creek
WAIT THIS TOTALLY MEANS THEY'RE ADDING AUSTRALIUMS IN THE MVM UPDATE
THEYRE JUST TESTING THE WATERS FOR ADDING COMMUNITY WEAPON SKINS
drowsy marlin
You know what they say about assuming
lone tinsel
They make an assu out of me
orchid sorrel
Actually they are preparing for the new botkillerizer
small sirenBOT
orchid sorrel
Trust the fungus
next nymph
You know what they say about assuming
they say "you know what they say about assuming"
high current
“The sum of as is e”
burnt dragon
to ALLLLL the dicks in that lobby
calling me an idiot and the guy isnt cheating
he got banned.
I dont know if anyone from that lobby is here
but I was so salty a guy with max casual level CANT TELL APART CHEATS
stuck locust
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199891809723/
oh wait they got tf2 banned?
how long ago did you report them?
burnt dragon
yesterday
stuck locust
nice
high current
but I was so salty a guy with max casual level CANT TELL APART CHEATS
I think people with max level just assume no one is cheating as a coping mechanism because if they were open to the possibility of anyone cheating they would have quit playing casual by then.
burnt dragon
private account with no info about them
3 levels
MUST BE A REAL PERSON DOING 180S
lone tinsel
It's better to think that anyone who kills you is cheating
jaunty marsh
Its kinda getting a little unfortunate that its getting trendy to talk about how bad TF2 is without offering any way to help fix it because it farms clicks
Unless its shoveling GoldRush into people's mouths before that kinda tanked and sank
radiant merlin
Bitl has made changes to their caber revision pr
What was the point of the original change again?
floral sandal
the new wrangler lvl 3 sentry rocket fire alt animation fix has a sound issue, I think
roughly 50% of the time the rocket fire sound will start playing but randomly be cut off. and the next rocket fire is usually totally silent
maybe there's a delay before the sound can play again?
left sand
What was the point of the original change again?
if you get a kill on swing from the explosion component it doesnt do like on melee kill effects
balmy bronze
Its kinda getting a little unfortunate that its getting trendy to talk about how...
Hard disagree, ragebaiting to farm clicks predates the internet, this isnt a new TF2 trend
Hell, people have been complained over just about anything that was added to TF2 since it's launch
Before it's launch even
rare creek
he got banned.
did they get banned from tf2 or a different game
burnt dragon
no way to know
a cheaters a cheater tho
thats all I care about
I was right
they were wrong
to hell with them and their snobby butts
rare creek
no way to know
you would have gotten an in game notification i think
also people have gotten game bans without cheating
balmy bronze
I was right
No other feeling beats the catharsis after winning an argument on the internet
burnt dragon
oh was that the notification of that?
I was confused cause I didnt read it thinking it was an item drop but didnt get an item
balmy bronze
I was confused cause I didnt read it thinking it was an item drop but didnt get ...
Yeah
burnt dragon
No other feeling beats the catharsis after winning an argument on the internet
HECK YEAHHHHHH
balmy bronze
Both in CS2 and in TF2, if you report someone and they get banned you get a notification about it
rare creek
i wish literally anybody I ever report would get banned
it feels like my reports go straight to a dumpster
balmy bronze
Got the same notif in CSGO before, it was the greatest feeling ever
balmy bronze
Mf was yapping about how he Valve doesnt care and how he will never be banned
burnt dragon
theres people that walk with deagles in death match that are just headshotting people behind the doors in the dust 2 yet they didnt get banned
balmy bronze
Reported, got banned 1 day later
burnt dragon
luckyyyyy
my reports in cs2 go into the dumpster
in tf2 they always get banned tho :3
balmy bronze
Had the biggest smile that day
rare creek
my reports literally never go through idk what im doing wrong
balmy bronze
Ear to ear
burnt dragon
Ear to ear
fucking creepy man you should see a doctor
burnt dragon
my reports literally never go through idk what im doing wrong
maybe you spammed it for non cheaters and they dont gaf about your reports anymore
rare creek
i didnt tho
balmy bronze
Hard disagree, ragebaiting to farm clicks predates the internet, this isnt a new...
Anyways, TF2 is unique in that we have access to tools to fix said problems (though the knowledge required to use said tools is beyond the average player)
Especially now with the source code release 1 year ago
Imo the reason why TF2 community is so noisy nowadays is because there is an entirely new vocal group of people within the community whom are complaining with different intentions
There is a genuine demand for a sourcemod thats essentially a community update to TF2
I mean something like Comtress but with balance changes
left sand
I mean something like Comtress but with balance changes
thats comtress
balmy bronze
thats comtress
Oh, comtress has balance changes now? Sorry not up to date with it
left sand
Oh, comtress has balance changes now? Sorry not up to date with it
kinda, theres a beta with balance changes testing, but balance changes are gonna be added pretty slowly over time, because the game needs to remain familiar to players. but basically ramping up to a full community update of TF2
balmy bronze
Nice
crisp cedar
in dota 2 i can view a list of all players ive reported on whom action has been taken
thats because we have overwatch
balmy bronze
in dota 2 i can view a list of all players ive reported on whom action has been ...
Can you see what action has been taken or just their name and the conclusion?
crisp cedar
you can see what hero they played in that game, the date and the reason you reported them
it only displays ones that action was taken on
toxicity usually gives behaviour score penalties, which restrict certain ingame features
cheating usually results in bans
valve also does manual ban waves but not very often
wintry marlin
Is mvm update out yet
orchid sorrel
yea
wintry marlin
Where
burnt dragon
fuck did they revert the update
vex it was the best update with new australiums and new uniques and all the coolest maps that zeppelin one
damn you missed itttt
broken thistle
I love tactical shooter game cs2, when queueing solo I love playing with 3 obnox...
I mostly hate them because I think the actual gameplay is just bad
small sirenBOT
broken thistle
but yeah the racist/xenophobes/sexists/etc don't help matters, they all suck
And speaking of racism, I'm racist against that damn Haiku bot, why does it exist it's so annoying.
next nymph
we love haiku bot in this discord server, no hate against haikus
small sirenBOT
burnt dragon
bad bot
next nymph
i love haiku bot
orchid sorrel
rare creek
undertale if toby fox was intelligent
floral sandal
old reply, but I tried doing this and now whenever I join a community server I get this error
floral sandal
should I set interp to 101ms or nah
left sand
yeah ig
floral sandal
this happens on basically every community server (uncletopia, skial) is this some default threshold setting for security?
also will anims work at 101ms
summer steeple
i assume they don't want any values above default (100), but default technically actually is 105ms
iirc anims work fine at vanilla interp, so 101 should be fine?
it will just get rounded up to 105 anyway lmao
left sand
it will just get rounded up to 105 anyway lmao
exactly, which is why this limit is stupid
summer steeple
I mean I don't really blame anyone for this, you'd need to actually uh, look into how interp gets rounded to even know that the default interp value gets rounded up anyway
and no one really looks into interp lmao
although maybe StAC should do the same rounding the game does so that server owners don't have to worry about this
eternal haven
Is there any legitimate reason to use anything above 100
floral sandal
left sand
Is there any legitimate reason to use anything above 100
105 is the default effective interp, its useful because bots only update every 100ms
you could use 90ms too but then its lower than 100ms
eternal haven
Well stac checks what you actually have set right?
left sand
so you have to use 105ms to ensure
eternal haven
Like you can use 100 and everything works fine and stac doesn't complain
left sand
yeah but imo its stupid that its limited to 100 instead of 105
eternal haven
And it's default
left sand
because its the same value
eternal haven
I guess
summer steeple
the default max value in stac is 101, i can only assume because at 100 it was causing issues for some reason
floating point stuff idk
eternal haven
I wonder if there are more players using the default 100 or using 15.2/30.3
left sand
they fixed it in cs2
radiant merlin
oh this is new
summer steeple
ah yeah, one of the more recent patches added (or fixed?) networking for handedness
part of the smissmas update, just double checked
I guess it was an addition, but its something that they've done in later games (although here it was a community fix), and considering handedness has an effect on gameplay it makes sense
radiant merlin
paper sluice
Man spy configs actually do some shit cuz wtf
I’m going to hell for some of the shit I’ve hit
floral sandal
um what the shit
paper sluice
Also Idfk how the config changes it but I swear on everything knockback on yourself is increased like 10x so you can actually go flying and hit that stupid stuff you see in clips
Though that could be the null canceling movement script cuz I never used it before either so
rare creek
why has the sentiment around wutville changed so much it's still abhorrent dogshit
hoary geyser
I remember playing it minutes after it came out and discovering you could taunt-kill through the spawn doors
paper sluice
https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-lebron-point-meat-grinder-lebron-hammer-gif-...
Can’t argue the facts 😔I hate it admit it but spy mains were onto something
left sand
Man spy configs actually do some shit cuz wtf
what do you mean by spy main config
paper sluice
I downloaded some random spy main config from a video by a spy main
It uses an older version of comfig so I retrofitted it for the newer version + its own autoexec stuff
left sand
i dont see anything different here besides cl_smooth 0
paper sluice
idk what it is but like i have some clips of some nasty stuff that i wouldnt normally hit
also i think ive been like sliding off players better than normal, i would get caught on them
though again it could be that im using the null canceling movement script (from comfig) now as well cuz i tried both at the same time so maybe its more that but IDK
left sand
tbh, cl_smooth is kinda buggy
and would be relevant for bumping into players and for getting knockback
so it makes sense
pretty easy to test, just remove creepconfig and just set cl_smooth 0
eternal haven
Does cl_smooth do anything besides smooth out your own view?
when it skips or whatever
paper sluice
Last night I tested it and it seemed pretty good, I’ll have to compare 15 lerp and 30 lerp next but honestly I could still hit stuff on 30 with cl_smooth 0
Knockback was also “increased” the same way but I still think that might be the null canceling script so I’ll have to test that too
rare creek
when will they do a difficulty update to tf2
@left sand are you going to nerf soldier
eternal haven
when will they do a difficulty update to tf2
Wow your so good
rare creek
im cheating
burnt dragon
when will they do a difficulty update to tf2
never. I love 0 object permanence enemies
or heavies that forget you need to track the scout to damage him
cursive peak
Almost forgot to post this while its seasonally appropriate. https://youtu.be/QF0ACRyNDbM
high current
Soldier is a funny class. He’s really good if people don’t know how to play around him. If people know how to play around him he becomes very mid.
Coincidentally most casual maps are also designed in such a way that soldier is very powerful.
rare creek
Soldier is a funny class. He’s really good if people don’t know how to play arou...
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left sand
high current
My demo archiver tool, Demo Ark, is live now :D
https://youtu.be/rFJxBitEfhQ
proper tangle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cm2iFmASBc
classic
radiant merlin
wish the game acknowledged faster than someone is connecting already
or better yet, a queue for servers
left sand
#team-comtress-2
radiant merlin
i mean a queue for a specific server
left sand
mhm
radiant merlin
like, when the server is full, several people could be trying to connect at once
a players leaves, and then every player joins at once, only one of them manages to enter and the other ones get the "server full" message
a queue would fix that
left sand
yes i getcha
radiant merlin
so you made that for tc2?
left sand
i can
mystic anchor
deto nator
rare creek
Wishlist for the MVM update:
- Bug fixes
- Quickplay
- Weapon rebalances
- New guns
- New playable class
- Wutville removal
soldier rebalance and spy rebalance
high current
My wishlist for MvM update: MvM content, new australiums, give sniper cocaine
rare creek
My wishlist for MvM update: MvM content, new australiums, give sniper cocaine
I genuinely believe that they will add new australiums ngl
radiant merlin
yeah possible
now that valve has created a new payment method to workshop creators
i wish valve could at least fix pyro receiving a lot of self dmg from reflected pipes
orchid sorrel
wishlist for mvm update
- desert landscape
- mvm wutville
- wega challenge
- australium gas passer
- spy nerf
- make all canteens $300
wintry marlin
do we not have enough deserts in mvm
orchid sorrel
nope
wintry marlin
if you show it to boot camp kiddies they will lose their mind.
mannworks is too confusing for new players.
radiant merlin
is there a reason why this is enforced server-side only?
if i remove the ifdef, the prediction error when changing weapons no longer happens
rare creek
im a conch truther now tbh this shit fun as hell
orchid sorrel
mvm pilled
radiant merlin
what happened to this?
