sounds like h-o-r-s-e but with worse and more insufferable people https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLL0mnrIP72ZxQCOfRriWvgK2fMREf-Vyz
#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year
crisp cedar
high current
She chuckle on my nuts till I podcast
fresh arrow
whats the most efficient way to preload animations?
burnt dragon
saw this yesterday, maybe a halloween restricted item would be good
I definitely think its a bad idea to have this as an all year cosmetic because it will skyrocket on price
aldo I think lower dx levels wont have glow or transparency?
uncut spear
well valve should just get rid of the lower levels then :)
here's a mod for it anyways
kind falcon
well valve should just get rid of the lower levels then :)
treu...
tough locust
well valve should just get rid of the lower levels then :)
I thought the whole dxvk update did this already
radiant merlin
linux
green tulip
are there any risks manually replacing dxvk_d3d9.dll with a newer version of DXVK? like does VAC even care?
unborn pecan
glass musk
are there any risks manually replacing dxvk_d3d9.dll with a newer version of DXV...
just stick to official releases, and you'll be fine: https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk/releases/
burnt dragon
why tho?
burnt dragon
huh
... how do I even run the game with vk
glass musk
huh
... how do I even run the game with vk
add -vulkan to your launch options
burnt dragon
why minus? isnt enabling +?
burnt dragon
noted
wintry marlin
It's how you add custom settings to executable files, I can't think of any cases where it's different.
You were conflating console commands, which are uniquely specific to valve games, with operating system terminal commands.
tough locust
Had a prophetic dream last night that the mvm update's reward was a community-made potion which could add a cartoon bone on top of any weapon and it looked awful. Also the entire system broke and was autobalancing everyone
burnt dragon
just tested it, I am not sure why but theres random hiccups
from 400 fps to 40
https://gitlab.com/Ph42oN/dxvk-gplasync would this fix the issue
oh yep, this fixed the hiccup of frame drops issue and makes it a constant 30 fps
stone linden
are anti backstab cheats real? i dont know how this would even work because your client doesn’t even know it’s getting backstabbed until the server already confirms it…
oh maybe it just auto detects a spy and turns you to face them
small sirenBOT
burnt dragon
oh maybe it just auto detects a spy and turns you to face them
exactly how it works
proper tangle
artemis let apollo do his thing
serene yarrow
just stick to official releases, and you'll be fine: https://github.com/doitsuji...
hey sorry for the ping but im kinda dumb, would you or someone else be willing to help me understand how to do this myself?
i downloaded the latest release but im not sure which file(s) to replace
mystic anchor
should've respected the sightlines
haughty musk
Is there a server we can frequent in game or do we just convene every so often
high current
Is there a server we can frequent in game or do we just convene every so often
If you can't find a server you're not looking
haughty musk
If you can't find a server you're not looking
other concept but yeah there’s several hundred around
burnt dragon
If you can't find a server you're not looking
is this the real non bot player count?
kind falcon
is this the real non bot player count?
no its faker
burnt dragon
huh... I thought the player count was higher than that with bot
that leaves like 10-15k real players
sad
kind falcon
its ok everything sucks and we must kill mr. president
burnt dragon
everything kills and we must suck mr president
high current
I think the math saying that a majority of the player base is bots is wrong.
I always circle back to the question of motive. There’s not that many spin botters anymore and if people are still botting for scrap then it’s literally the least profitable allocation of resources. They’d be better off mining for bit coin (not that it’d be profitable either).
Either way 10k - 50k players is metric butt load of people so who cares if they’re bots or not.
tough locust
For the first day that listen servers were made public by default the server browser was STUFFED with 1 player idle bot servers. They're just black boxes that deal 1hp of damage until you die. My guess is that they just never got the memo about bitcoins
stone linden
is there still the bug where engineer picks up metal from dispenser twice as fast if he’s standing on it?
left sand
yeah but thats a feature at this point
summer steeple
iirc its been confirmed by a valve employee that they've left it on purpose by this point
which i guess is basically what coms just said idk why i felt the need to add that
stuck locust
is there still the bug where engineer picks up metal from dispenser twice as fas...
wait how did i never know about this
high current
It’s just whenever engineer is making contact with the dispenser. But because of bounding boxes it’s most reliable from on top.
wintry marlin
stone linden
insane thumbnail haha
high current
https://youtu.be/w4nSnumKp88
Because it likes it…
drowsy marlin
Is this true?
stuck locust
benchmark the difference if you're not sure!
kind falcon
isaac_clank
drowsy marlin
Yeah
high current
I’ve seen that vulkan performance over dx depends a lot on your system. So best to benchmark yourself.
Maybe 100 player servers are more decisive
lethal moth
read through the team comtress patch notes and man it really is bizarre that the danger shield is like, still un-patched to this day with regards to the afterburn immunity/DF interaction
it literally just like, renders a weapon non-functional
left sand
a masterclass in silly tf2 antics https://youtu.be/YHUTcfN01DA
heavy solarBOT
@left sand has leveled up! (90 ➜ 91)
left sand
<@115180582845153282> has leveled up! **(90 ➜ 91)**
can we get much higher
radiant merlin
so high
jagged pawn
oh oh oh
radiant merlin
why is this fucking thing red and small
heavy solarBOT
@radiant merlin has leveled up! (29 ➜ 30)
radiant merlin
i thought there was a demo hiding there
orchid sorrel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337790132126089222/1421987859476512829/image.png?ex=68db08e4&is=68d9b764&hm=5d8df921de324f46af68b6fd3432f119f51a5a49cdb719d5f4fe72232e05efb3&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337790132126089222/1421987882121429042/image.png?ex=68db08ea&is=68d9b76a&hm=0f06f5e42d89d3eddecee485050f9ea94259fb94291c776127bbbc3966bf2dde&
joined mid game, I guess they kicked the guy I replaced because he was drawing too much aggro
oh theyre cheating, I see now
patent folio
has anybody been getting micro stutters on specfic servers
small sirenBOT
patent folio
for some reason i've been stuttering on community casual servers like tiny kitty, uncletopia
and some casual servers
mge, jump academy are fine weirdly
lone tinsel
What did they mean by this?
nothing interesting
lone tinsel
but game invites / join game in steam chat should work again
i'm surprised they didn't whitelist the invite commands
broken haven
i wonder how the players on my old teams are doing now
radiant merlin
uhhh
drowsy marlin
when did they add the vokekick button to the scoreboard? it's nice
nothing is more satisfying than kicking people who type slurs in chat
radiant merlin
Kick player because is scamming
drowsy marlin
that was when trading wasn't ruled by bots
high current
when did they add the vokekick button to the scoreboard? it's nice
It’s been there for a pretty long while. I’ve only used the mouse on scoreboard for around a year but when I tested it while developing xhud it always had the vote kick option. So at least since 2022.
Can’t recall if it was there when I tested peachhud, that would have been 2018.
wintry marlin
Youtube just recommended to me a livestream of an ign interview with gabe newell and I suspect it's a phishing scam because they put a qr code in the middle.
Sketchy.
And 6k people are watching with live chat set to commentator only.
I'd be wary of it.
The channel name is voice network.
Telling this here bc it says it's a tf2 livestream with free giveaway.
First time I run into this stuff
radiant merlin
team fortress 2 legacy 
left sand
probably something that doesnt include team fortress in the title
classic fortress, fortress noire, or whatever
the steam page has been rebranded
next nymph
two fort
drowsy marlin
I need to #readthedocs and reset my TF2 config completely and start from scratch
good time since there is a new release
high current
Anyone know if/how demoinfo.exe works? And how to actually use it to get information out of .dem files for TF2?
I've tried dragging and dropping a demo file onto the exe similar to vpk.exe. I've also tried running it via console with the demo file as a commandline argument with output redirected to a file. Neither seemed to yield much success.
lone tinsel
Anyone know if/how demoinfo.exe works? And how to actually use it to get informa...
what info are you actually trying to get?
high current
Any info. I'd like to get the map name. But if I can parse more info like map name, when the round starts, when points are scored, etc. I could find a use for that info.
I could write a program to extract the map name. But if this one already does that and more than it'd be nice to be able to make use of it.
lone tinsel
it'll give you the map name but honestly it's easier to just parse the demo header yourself.
as for other stuff, you're probably better off using https://codeberg.org/demostf/parser
high current
Could it give more info? Like could it give player input, say like detecting big flick shots or stuff like airshots?
lone tinsel
Could it give more info? Like could it give player input, say like detecting big...
demoinfo only outputs view smoothing info afaict
plus the header
high current
Ah bummer
Do you know if .dem files are in any specific text format? Seems like ANSI but there still seems to be a lot of gibberish, even excluding strings and null values.
Or is it just meant to be directly used with something like fscanf() for specific stuff?
lone tinsel
it's a binary format
there's some documentation at https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/DEM_(file_format) but if you're interested in parsing the format yourself you're better off reading the engine source code
high current
Yeh I took a peak at that, some of it seems useful but, I'll probably end up having to dive into the source code
lone tinsel
i would seriously recommend using a library rather than parsing it yourself
high current
But what's the fun in that 🤓
I'll probably explore some libraries and see what sort of stuff they can get me and at least read them to see how they do what they do. Mostly out of curiosity.
Only thing I have an immediate plan for is just renaming demos to contain the map they're played on for organization purposes.
lone tinsel
just parsing out the map name is really easy
just read this struct at the start of the file: https://github.com/mastercomfig/tf2-patches-old/blob/744d6eb003c7598f39bfdbf9046109f9d85cf11b/src/public/demofile/demoformat.h#L48
high current
Yeh I could see that even by just opening a .dem with notepad++.
I think the first line has a fixed-character format so it should be pretty trivial.
lone tinsel
it's everything that comes after the header that's a total pain in the ass
high current
Kinda looked like it from the VDC entry on it...
It is interesting to understand how it works. So I think I might look into making a super basic parser when I have some freetime, just to better understand it. But probably nothing robust or useful.
lone tinsel
i hate you
high current
Why don't they use VHS tapes, so we can read it with a VCR 😎
paper sluice
probably something that doesnt include team fortress in the title
that would suck
portal mods and half life mods dont have to follow those same standards 🥹
i think youd probably be able to have team fortress just not like
team fortress 2 classic
team fortress classic
cursive peak
bleam! Fortress, a mod to make the game run on a PS1 emulator running on a Dreamcast.
burnt dragon
dreamcast fucking sucks lmao
floral sandal
dreamcast fucking sucks lmao
wintry marlin
radiant merlin
WOW IT'S... nothing once again
radiant merlin
i joined in 2015 when the halloween update was just merasmissions so yeah, as it ever was
radiant merlin
oh yeah happy birthday tf2 now you can legally drink!
high current
TF2 is based out of the US, it’s got 3 more years till it can legally drink
But it can be drafted into involuntary military service 🪖
(Assuming it’s a neurotypical male)
wintry marlin
Getting into the army has a list of requirements that would ironically disqualify most of the mercs
They would self-incriminate even with a clean record, except for pyro lol
Who wouldn't pass the bloodwork, probably. Asbestos.
Psych is probably the strongest disqualifier.
kind falcon
why
left sand
no longer requires order
kind falcon
no longer requires order
wtf
high current
no longer requires order
Chaos instead!
kind falcon
yeah just a single node connection which is meaningless
burnt dragon
GOD this game feels like such a drag since I cant play on maps I actually enjoy now
radiant merlin
?
summer steeple
apparently this
tacit flare
I shall make func_detail a real entity.
broken haven
fresh arrow
why is texture quality's default set to high on low preset?
left sand
why is texture quality's default set to high on low preset?
higher performance
floral sandal
Afterlife is broke for RED team
started the game with 0 people alive on red according to the scoreboard. Even ater all of RED was in the afterlife, wouldn't transition, couldn't escape with a soul as the portal's wouldn't function. BLU had no issues tho
I requeued multiple times and the same issue
cobalt spruce
i think this scream fortress genuinely just burned me out lol
dont know why it was this update that did it
kind falcon
dont know why it was this update that did it
addicted to deadlock
cobalt spruce
yeah im addicted to deadlock, but that dont mean i didnt want to play tf2 lol
kind falcon
yeah surely
cobalt spruce
heavy solarBOT
@cobalt spruce has leveled up! (5 ➜ 6)
cobalt spruce
cool
burnt dragon
anyone wanna do the halloween quests?
the party points are added together
so its several times faster
ping me if anyone wanna do it
burnt dragon
it gets on my nerves when people in tf2 cheat
https://steamcommunity.com/id/portwine88/ vac banned 2 years ago
400 hours in the game
wintry marlin
https://steamcommunity.com/id/portwine88/ vac banned 2 years ago
His name is literally [NoEyes] Eggcrispy
burnt dragon
oh...
wintry marlin
Troll account
burnt dragon
average red mercs didnt kick him as well
expected from average red players tbh fuck RED
wintry marlin
His "real name" is momfucker3000
And his profile link is probably a reference to 14/88
wintry marlin
expected from average red players tbh fuck RED
Tru red are nazis last time I checked
wintry marlin
And his profile link is probably a reference to 14/88
Or his favorite brand of alcohol
wintry marlin
His first one means ass sneeze
SSS Monster
No fap day 46
Remarkable.
Russian and a weeb has a 85% chance of being a troll like there's so many red flags
wintry marlin
Imagine my experience
I'm lithuanian and I also speak russian natively
burnt dragon
awful awful awful
I think people hate zombie mode for no reason
its good dopamine
I enjoy the game style of "how far can you get as humans"
high current
I think it tends to play kinda lame in every game ive ever tried that has implemented zombie infection.
The humans either hide or set up some ratty bunker.
That or you just die immediately as human.
Tbf it’s just team saxton hale.
left sand
i really like zombie infection, at least goofing around
high current
It’s fun when it’s novel. After the “wow this is new” you realize it plays pretty much the same from round to round.
broken haven
scream fortress has a infection gamemode?
next nymph
I think it tends to play kinda lame in every game ive ever tried that has implem...
yeah, i feel like it pushes for the exact inversion of decent game progression. It snowballs so hard that it's almost always a roll one way or another, the design is not conducive for close matches
though thats my complaint about any arena-like gamemode honestly
stuck locust
doesn't seem like a mistake to me
soft sundial
there's some talk of improved loading times from today's update, any thoughts?
radiant merlin
ehh
high current
Afterlife is straight up broken. Like not metaphorically broken... You can't end a round. You can't turn in stolen souls to the alter which seems to be the main mechanic and related to winning the round? It is legitimately broken.
Cowerhouse also seems kinda broken but it is mostly playable. The last control point has some stuff that messes with hit registration around it. It seems like the giant robot and prop stuff that comes up at the end of the round remain present in terms of collision with bullets and splash damage. So shooting someone on the point when you're off of it or visa versa just doesn't work 75% of the time.
The cosmetics, unusuals, and taunts seemed okay though.
Seems like those updates may have been fixed this evening. But those were my opinions from ~5pm EST today.
kind falcon
Afterlife is straight up broken. Like not metaphorically broken... You can't end...
they fixed afterlife a few hrs ago
kind falcon
https://steamcommunity.com/id/portwine88/ vac banned 2 years ago
just met the guy idk bro
nvm he is
burnt dragon
he is cheating I am fairly sure
I dont accuse cheaters in tf2 nearly ever cause like
maybe its the random bullet spread
maybe crits are lucky
maybe I am just not good that day
burnt dragon
imagine being pathetic enough that you have to cheat IN TEAM FORTRESS 2
A GAME KNOWN BY ITS UNCARING NON COMPETITIVE BS
wintry marlin
Troll is a state of mind but more often than not a political alignnent
They are opposed to rational thought and seek a reaction out of people
burnt dragon
sighhhhh
I miss times before internet
where if you trolled or get on nerves of someone they would crush your head with a fucking rock
next nymph
they called it "yankin yer chain"
kind falcon
A GAME KNOWN BY ITS UNCARING NON COMPETITIVE BS
sorry i have to hold my mouse4 and pick my nose simultaneously
burnt dragon
they called it "yankin yer chain"
I call it crushing their skull with a fairly large rock and disposing of the body and people who saw me do it
but yeah I still use "Im just yanking your chain" term a lot lol
small sirenBOT
mystic anchor
bluetooth stab
hoary geyser
Afterlife is straight up broken. Like not metaphorically broken... You can't end...
Truly the Valve update experience
stone linden
does quake/hl2/tf2 use a naive euler's method or a symplectic euler in the physics engine?
i wish i knew my way around the source codebase more to be able to quickly tell for myself the simulation method and order in the time steps
stone linden
nvm i think it's symplectic but it makes zero difference in practice without a conservative force present
floral sandal
What is the best interp setting to fix broke skeleton animations but preserve connection quality?
iirc the anims wer epartially fixed but require an interp above 0
kind falcon
iirc the anims wer epartially fixed but require an interp above 0
yeah ur interp is always above 0
left sand
What is the best interp setting to fix broke skeleton animations but preserve co...
snapshot_buffer=anim
left sand
what's the point of func_nobuild
drowsy marlin
It disables the building mechanic. It's a pretty popular mode
wintry marlin
Usually it's in spawn
high current
Spawns and parts of the maps that the map makers don’t want to allow fun in :(
left sand
spawns already block building
radiant merlin
Players are able to build teleporters which bboxes are inside the respawn room
I think til the middle of the bbox
So that allows spies to tp, get stuck are get inside with taunts
Something like this
I have no proof but i think it's the reason why mapmakers put nobuilds in front of spawnrooms
left sand
thats a game bug, shouldnt be handled by maps
wintry marlin
What I think happens is that the check only occurs when the origin point of tele intersects the spawn trigger.
radiant merlin
thats a game bug, shouldnt be handled by maps
i mean yeah it's a bug
left sand
yeah what im asking is like
what are some uses of nobuild
that arent just fixing a game bug in the map
wintry marlin
Putting them on roofs.
left sand
when would it be okay for a soldier to rocket jump to a roof but not build a building?
wintry marlin
I think it depends
There's very defendable roofs that are unreachable by most classes and hard to shoot down without coordinated team.
radiant merlin
when the mapmaker couldn't balance their map
so they put a nobuild on a crate for example
wintry marlin
Usually koth maps with roofs above points have those gray areas.
small sirenBOT
wintry marlin
Some AD and CP maps may use those too.
glass pollen
nobuilds can also be used to block griefing/unfair spots, like building teleporters in death pits/blocked off areas or unintended building boosts
summer steeple
what are some uses of nobuild
the shortcut from upward last spawn that closes after blue caps the second to last point.
It used to have an exploit where an engi could put a tele in there and then it’d be very difficult to destroy because it’s behind a door that only opens from the inside, so they added a nobuild there (and changed the behavior of them to destroy buildings inside of them when enabled) to fix it
left sand
why shouldnt that be a trigger hurt
because ik people complain about that one already because they cant build in the legitimate case
just because of the subsequent point state
summer steeple
because ik people complain about that one already because they cant build in the...
i’ve never heard of it blocking legitimate use, interesting
small sirenBOT
left sand
i’ve never heard of it blocking legitimate use, interesting
yeah afaik, people complain how it nerfed blu
wintry marlin
The frontier pit has a giant satellite dish iirc
summer steeple
you should still be able to, the nobuild is enabled when the point is capped iirc
left sand
i forgot which team it nerfs
but there was a certain unintended nerf i think
or something annoying about it
i forgor
summer steeple
i can’t check rn unfortunately
wintry marlin
I find that spots that are prime for exploitation they use either hurt or nobuild but never both
Or just block it off with clip brushes and forget about it I guess.
small sirenBOT
wintry marlin
Most areas where nobuild is used could be dealt with a clip brush
If engi can't have it then noone can
glass pollen
idk if there are any maps that do this, but it could also be used to prevent buildings in props without collision
there is a bush behind red spawn on ctf_frosty where you can plop a teleporter and eureka teleport to and nobody will find it, that would be a use case
left sand
why would that be building specific generally
though, that is a good example of it, better than most
summer steeple
ooh yeah, i think it is pretty common practice in community maps to place nobuild in bushes
i’ll be free in a bit here and i can just ctrl-f nobuild in maps to see where they’re used, mostly by valve
left sand
there is a nobuild on mercenary park
which blocks red from spawn camping from upper on the last forward spawn
summer steeple
oh yeah how could i forget about mercenary parks insane logic
everything about that map is weird af
soft sundial
it also has the functionality to destroy buildings if its activated
heavy solarBOT
@soft sundial has leveled up! (2 ➜ 3)
soft sundial
not that i have ever seen that used
and mvm hatches having nobuilds is a valve standard, and by extension community standard
summer steeple
not that i have ever seen that used
as i mentioned above they added this functionality as a bugfix to the upward tele spot by red's last spawn that was behind a oneway door
its actually a relatively recent change iirc
small sirenBOT
soft sundial
oh that
summer steeple
anyway because I have free time and i'm curious i'm compiling a list of func_nobuilds in mostly valve maps cause thats what I have vmfs of on hand
although tbh this is uh... very tedious i've only managed to do 6 maps so far
dustbowl is interesting since there's 2 staircases that have nobuilds at the top of them for some reason, including the building where red holds the first point at
and also on the staircase to the high ground at their spawn on stage 1
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
idk if these were like problem spots in TFC or what
Egypt has a lot of interesting ones, most of the pillars that have platforms for you to stand on have nobuild entities
also a lot of platforms which I would've assumed to have clipping actually don't seem to, but do have nobuild
soft sundial
there's a few cases of pre-emptive nobuilds in some maps
that are already unbuildable lol
coaltown has one
summer steeple
better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it
gorge also is interesting since its the precursor to merc park and it kinda shows, outside of blu's forward spawn is a nobuild, only for red
summer steeple
maybe? its very rare though, dustbowl only has 3 of them, and there's certainly a lot more stairs than that
merc park also has some of them, but the average map has 0 stair nobuilds, mercpark, which has 3 of them & also insane logic, is an outlier and should not be counted
summer steeple
alright i'm not doing anymore, here's a list of all the func_nobuild entities in every cp map that I have vmfs of readily available, it includes valve maps and community maps that valve bought.
radiant merlin
dustbowl is interesting since there's 2 staircases that have nobuilds at the top...
Beta bug
Well til 2009 iirc
radiant merlin
i think staircase no builds were to fix telestuck glitches
Yep. I think that bug still exists in xbox and ps
summer steeple
its interesting that merc park still has it though
i mean it makes sense since it started from like beta gorge files
paper sluice
does anyone know this koth map that used to be on creators.tf when that was a thing the engies used to build on the little windows right next to the point like that and there were these little side flank routes that went down to a lower level and connected to the other teams side
radiant merlin
this is like drugs
burnt dragon
I think making cancer patients sit in the middle of 4 dispensers would cure their cancer
or grow the cancer into a full cyst that can form thoughts
shrug
burnt dragon
does anyone know this koth map that used to be on creators.tf when that was a th...
is this that one snowy KOTH map?
paper sluice
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2052736629
Bruh awesome
paper sluice
is this that one snowy KOTH map?
NO it was like a wood and industrial one kinda
Idk if that’s a good description but it was just like concrete in mid with wood at spawn
For its flaws creators had an awesome map pool 😢
I loved slaughter
Spillway was a weird one but still cool
IT WAS THIS ONE
Epic sauce
glass pollen
That one also has a halloween version in the game you can play right now, Sinthetic
kind falcon
dusker is cool (inspired by dusk!?!?)
kind falcon
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1549817316
the original looks Bad
paper sluice
That one also has a halloween version in the game you can play right now, Sinthe...
wtf how did I not know this
Queuing after work asap
wintry marlin
Is it the one with italian mafia skeletons
With tommy guns
Nvm that was a payload map
summer steeple
there's a map with skeletons with tommy guns and its quite fun
and there was (might still be) a bug where on death where they would drop money because they use the base_boss entity
kind falcon
Is it the one with italian mafia skeletons
no
kind falcon
if you play on european servers, be careful of people complimenting your plays and asking to play in a party afterwards! they are evil and are intending on stealing your items. especially if they're a medic that just joined
balmy bronze
if you play on european servers, be careful of people complimenting your plays a...
Yesterday I was doing contracts and someone impersonating b4nny joined the server in an "attempt" at scamming people
Famous NA player, on an EU server, lfg for mann up, on casual mm
he got laughed off the server almost instantly
kind falcon
afterlife is fun
radiant merlin
drowsy marlin
what mvm update?
burnt dragon
radiant merlin
floral sandal
So no gas passer mist in spawn rooms now?
Why does this apply to only the gas passer and no other projectiles
left sand
xd
left sand
im not gonna say anything
high current
It’s because other projectiles are an inside job 
floral sandal
The on-hit attribute change is cool
Now a friendly spy can fake being shot by a teammate
left sand
Now a friendly spy can fake being shot by a teammate
i think this is about shooting spies disguised as enemies
kind falcon
what is this orb
high current
The teleporter effect got tilted 60 degrees it looks like
small sirenBOT
wintry marlin
Another zesty hit the 2fort towers
balmy night
Another zesty hit the 2fort towers
ew a transphobe? no thanks.
balmy night
Another zesty hit the 2fort towers
He also lied about casual's performance during scream fortress 2025, it worked perfectly fine for me and a lot of other people. "meh meh meh casual bad" that's literally all the video is, stretched to 18 minutes
summer steeple
performance always takes a hit during scream fortress, regardless of casual, it’s just got way more bullshit going on
balmy night
performance always takes a hit during scream fortress, regardless of casual, it’...
its not nearly as bad as he made it out to be though lol
small sirenBOT
left sand
when will we get more solution bait content
broken haven
X
i remember going to walmart to buy a steam giftcard just to prepare for the update when i was 14
wasnt this update rly rly buggy on launch too
left sand
yeah
broken haven
iirc the contracker would drop frames, no? i remember it fried someones gpu back then
cursive peak
Regardless of what's in the update, the community is going to hate it.
broken haven
and i remember pbpp healing 9+ per a hit no matter what range, and they didnt fix it until like a few weeks later
wasnt there another weapon that got a insane buff
wintry marlin
I wish the updates didn't come out broken on launch ngl
They had 8 years to figure out that there is a pattern
wintry marlin
its not nearly as bad as he made it out to be though lol
He has a discord channel with hundreds of people posting screenshots and videos of matchmaking not working. I'm not so sure.
In the video he shows like a dozen youtubers saying exactly the same thing as he does
You do know what broken means, yeah?
Missing textures, the maps not functioning correctly, missing models, servers crashing.
This is verifiable.
Matchmaking may be anecdotal and subjective but you can't discard the proof.
I'm most certainly asking you to pay attention to what an irredeemable asshole is saying.
But he is saying the same thing as practically every other guy with a dozen cultist followers are saying.
tacit flare
Something interesting I saw regarding this.
https://vxtwitter.com/LizardOfOz_/status/1980342817168978057
wintry marlin
Valve could have figured this out and prevented it but they did not and are placing the responsibility onto the community mappers to address those bugs.
Which is an unusually cruel form of torture.
tacit flare
But Valve will be Valve. I'm not hopeful for anything moving.
wintry marlin
Expect MvM update to come with half a dozen maps that don't have any campaign missions.
radiant merlin
Valve thinks pablogonzales is going to put a worm into their bsp 😦
tacit flare
To be fair, considering how vile the darkest pits of the TF2 community can be, valid reason.
crisp cedar
Something interesting I saw regarding this.
https://vxtwitter.com/LizardOfOz_/s...
i mean
isnt it possible to set up a community server like valve casual in terms of server settings?
like
especially the sv_pure part
tacit flare
isnt it possible to set up a community server like valve casual in terms of serv...
Yeah, but if Valve are compiling maps their end with their tools only they're allowed to use without the oversight of the mapper and just chucking it into casual, it would explain a lot.
crisp cedar
thats a valid point
tacit flare
Considering the amount of Wutville moments we've received over the years, this really needs to be done with more effort from Valve's side, or at least more given to map makers. But then again, the more they give out, the more there is to exploit.
I don't see waiting on Valve to pull their finger out as a valid solution though. It's the equivalent of the Powerhouse Map dev rolling their desk back into the TF2 room after eight years and finally finishing it.
summer steeple
isnt it possible to set up a community server like valve casual in terms of serv...
iirc the answer is yes*******
if you remember when VSH launched, it was completely unplayable because the matchmaker didn't understand why the teams were the way they were, and because the server would just seemingly randomly change some server settings to match default casual stuff.
You can set the same settings that valve casual uses for the most part, but you can't really set up all the other random shit that their servers do to handle standard casual gameplay
in other words its basically impossible to test for how casual will support a map because it just does a lot of things that to my knowledge are not possible with just hosting your own server
if valve were to test a map by, for example, just booting up a server and having it exec server_casual.cfg, then they are not going through the casual system and probably don't have to deal with its AGGRESSIVE attempts to force servers to play its specific way, with specific settings, and handle matchmaking and map voting and all that jazz
afaik we don't really know how valve compiles community maps, but the fact that missing assets are just like... the standard now when an update launches definitely shows that the way they do it isn't working correctly
maybe its because one of the mappers forgot to send an asset, or maybe its due to some other weird thing, and let me tell you, making sure that your assets are all packed into a map is actually pretty fucking hard, or at least tedious
ideally you'd need to like, remove the content from your game's files (it needs to be there so you can, you know, put it in the map in the first place), then boot up your game, make sure you haev sv_pure 2 set, and then open up the map and make sure that everything is there
and/or, open up the map in VPKedit or gcfscape and manually take note of all the assets that are in the file structure and compare that to what it should be... which would require making a list of assets used but mappers should ideally have that anyway so they can credit people correctly
valve should have better systems and testing and shit than we do, but unfortunately not
and with how slow they merge in community changes, it seems like most of that is not going to change, even if it is fixable via the SDK (and many issues like map limits are deep in the engine itself and many probably won't change because then they'd need to write an entire backwards compatibility system to be able to support maps made before the changes)
it is a shame that this is the state of updates, because the majority of the tf2 community doesn't understand this, so it just reflects onto the people making the content, when its literally not even their fault
left sand
in other words its basically impossible to test for how casual will support a ma...
just use tc2
summer steeple
NO FUCKING WAY
the nightmare is over, vaccinator no longer will hurt your ears
well except for the fact that they haven't merged in the medigun prediction error bugfix, which also causes this issue in a different way
so it'll be better
but not fixed
left sand
oh no they did the hack fix for player model panel 😭
guess it's my fault for not submitting my version
but my version still doesn't have a good lighting fix
high current
What’s so bad about the hack fix?
And what was it a fix for?
left sand
the first frame of transitions are bad i think
summer steeple
surreal as fuck to see my name in the tf2 patch notes
radiant merlin
Herobrine in the patch notes
formal dew
we are so back
summer steeple
what does that actually change?
drowsy marlin
the minigun now animates how it was originally supposed to
instead of animating super fast
left sand
Team Fortress 2 Megathread - I'm in my slop fix era
summer steeple
HEY, i'll have you know that my fix is not slop, it just fixes slop code 
small sirenBOT
floral sandal
TF2 fans: "oh yeah we eating good with this update" (the dinner is hardtack crumbs and a used cigarette)
I'm genuinely happy to see fixes though
radiant merlin
lone tinsel
HEY, i'll have you know that my fix is not slop, it just fixes slop code <:troll...
i'm being left behind i need to start submitting slop fixes
high current
Fixed KeyValues memory leak in birds (GitHub fix from CosminPerRam)
Damn birds…
radiant merlin
Water bird noise exploit not fixed yet
left sand
Water bird noise exploit not fixed yet
whats that?
lone tinsel
Water bird noise exploit not fixed yet
when will valve properly fix the airblast cone 😢
heavy solarBOT
@lone tinsel has leveled up! (5 ➜ 6)
wintry marlin
whats that?
It's when medic does the meet the medic taunt and doves fly out from under him and cause water splashes which can be heard by the entire server
radiant merlin
Otherwise people will complain
Then let's just add a cvar
kind falcon
Like with pootis
drowsy marlin
what display mode is optimal for TF2? Fullscreen, or borderless windowed?
paper sluice
oh no they did the hack fix for player model panel 😭
FUCK.
I hope not 😢😢😢😢
Oh no that wasn’t “oh no did they” it was oh they did FUCKKKK !!!!
Valve forcing their WOKE agenda onto me 🖕🖕make tf2 great again
high current
what display mode is optimal for TF2? Fullscreen, or borderless windowed?
Isn’t fullscreen on windows 11 basically smarter borderless windowed?
I’ve heard traditional borderless windowed has latency issues but that might be 10 year outdated info
drowsy marlin
oh is that why I had issues connecting to VAC servers earlier?
I couldn't play casual at all
balmy night
I couldn't play casual at all
seems like its down for everyone
kind falcon
orb 2 (blue)
tacit flare
Ellen and John visited us at London Comic Con. Has been the best weekend of my life.
tacit flare
Actually headshot by the sniper. I can't even. 
radiant merlin
https://youtu.be/wf04omrlZ8o?t=55 this jump is crazy omg
limpid panther
https://youtu.be/wf04omrlZ8o?t=55 this jump is crazy omg
low latency helps a lot with that one. Consider trying offline
but yea, I always spend a long time trying that one
radiant merlin
I was playing that map in momentum mod, so no latency
limpid panther
I was playing that map in momentum mod, so no latency
I see. Does momentum emulate the 1 tick@66tps window that's expected for this trick to land?
or does it make the whole thing more difficult by running the physics at a higher rate?
radiant merlin
I see. Does momentum emulate the 1 tick@66tps window that's expected for this tr...
Well not sure. It's supposed to perfectly emulate tf2's movement
limpid panther
Well not sure. It's supposed to perfectly emulate tf2's movement
that has always been suspect for me, because there are so many little quirks and conflicting things that need to align for the more advanced tricks to work like expected
but I never tried it, so I can't really be criticizing it too much
I suggest that you try that map in tf2
to see if its easier to land the trick
summer steeple
"Reverted Gas Passer respawn room fixes (GitHub fix from Bitl)" lol, lmao
sterile ferry
"Reverted Gas Passer respawn room fixes (GitHub fix from Bitl)" lol, lmao
whyd thy revert it
high current
3cp haunts me
Does neat. Makes miss the old balloon race days.
Also gives me those vibes of that old moving train map. Convoy or something
burnt dragon
we will be getting 4 mvm maps from community workshop when mvm first released and will have several game breaking bugs, really excited to see all these amazing maps ignored by valve -_-"
rare creek
what the actual fuck is wrong with valve why would they do this
they pushed an update with a SINGLE CHANGE to REVERT A FIX???
MILLIONS OF WRITES WASTED ON MY SSD FOR THIS
lone tinsel
i don't think that's quite how it works
left sand
i think valve is basically saying: 0 controversial changes for tf2
if a change has like at least 5% of the playerbase that would be up in arms about it, they keep the status quo
radiant merlin
omg bruh
lone tinsel
if a change has like at least 5% of the playerbase that would be up in arms abou...
so when are they gonna revert the airblast cone change it makes pyro literally unplayable
rare creek
@left sand can you kick jill while they're still in your basement
force them to add quickplay back
left sand
huh?
rare creek
can you invoke violence against the tf2 team
can youh like force them to make better updates
with threats
left sand
this isnt a funny joke
dont bully anyone on the tf team, not jill, not anyone, dont bully anyone at valve
rare creek
ya
left sand
they dont deserve to be the butt of your joke
rare creek
who does then!!!!!!!!!!!
sigh
mastercoms, reality is miserable how do you even make it through the day
radiant merlin
valve should had at least remove the reduce fall damage buff from the exploit
and just leave the stomp
or idk update the quickfix to have stomp, so that players don't have to use an exploit
half rose
what the actual fuck is wrong with valve why would they do this
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/7352
Is this update related to this bug?
half rose
ahh loadout change bug?
rare creek
yes
summer steeple
why...
there has to be some adverse effect from the fix which caused them to revert it, right?
radiant merlin
probably not
tacit flare
What if Valve just pushed a bunch of "fixes" then reverted them every two days? Infinite updates.
The truest of the update sized updates.
stone linden
i haven’t heard anyone complaining about the thruster fix, did i miss something
or is there a secret bug about it
cobalt spruce
pubbers got mad they cant get funny clip using bug
stone linden
oh wow yeah. reddit somehow really didn’t like that fix. insane
spineless tf2 team lol
status quo bias is crazy when the status quo is extreme bugs lol
kind falcon
MILLIONS OF WRITES WASTED ON MY SSD FOR THIS
precisely 7 writes wasted
balmy bronze
drowsy marlin
Does this mean valve will never nerf the vaccinator? Or nerf how bogus the kunai is? I'm cooked!
left sand
Does this mean valve will never nerf the vaccinator? Or nerf how bogus the kunai...
team comtress
rare creek
Does this mean valve will never nerf the vaccinator? Or nerf how bogus the kunai...
the vaccinator doesnt need a nerf
left sand
it needs a rework, its frustrating for players
rare creek
the vaccinator is balanced out by how you have to install a config to use it and by how it's annoying
rare creek
you dont understand
the part that sucks is that it's never deterministic like switching weapons is
drowsy marlin
When I fight a vaccinator player, I wish unfortunate fates for them, and their close ones. I fully disagree with it being "balanced"
Why do they have an ubercharge every 10 seconds
rare creek
you can still kill them you know
drowsy marlin
Yeah with like 4x the amount of damage I usually need
small sirenBOT
drowsy marlin
Anyway I am not going to argue about this. I think the vaccinator is BS and you can't change my mind
rare creek
3 button
next nymph
if a change has like at least 5% of the playerbase that would be up in arms abou...
time to be up in arms about it being reverted
rare creek
that's probably why they reverted pants
high current
They reverted pants because too many cosmetics just use the current scout pant colors and they didn’t want to update the cosmetics. Particularly ones where the creator has gone into hiding.
Though a lot were like “if you just gave us 24hr we could fix them…”
high current
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3826520/Team_Fortress_2_Gold_Rush/
Old flamethrower partials looked SO MUCH BETTER than the junk we have now…
radiant merlin
Indeed
broken haven
isnt vacc like 80% dmg resistance
high current
And 100% crit immunity to that damage type
It’s just crit immunity. It’s not to a specific type.
And it just makes crit damage not do crit damage. You’ll still take normal damage.
Same as battalions backup
radiant merlin
floral sandal
heavy solarBOT
@floral sandal has leveled up! (7 ➜ 8)
floral sandal
what does this fix
lone tinsel
what does this fix
if you click on the number on the commit page it'll take you to the PR if there is one
floral sandal
thank you, was confused
lone tinsel
github ui is very well designed
floral sandal
not sure why the mini-crit fix wasn't also applied
orchid sorrel
It’s just crit immunity. It’s not to a specific type.
And it just makes crit dam...
Yes, but you only get the crit immunity if the damage is the same as your bubble
Ie a blast bubble wont affect a headshot
burnt dragon
tf2classic has the best foundation of a community to work on
as long as they dont add random modern stuff and turn the style of the gamemode, its all going to be fine
jagged pawn
tf2 classic exists in this weird cryostate where it was originally made to be "what if tf2 had no content" slop but then it got taken over by people with brains but the players still want it to be like the old tf2c so it becomes a sort of balancing act
it feels like they can't take it too far in any cool direction
left sand
team co mtress 2 is wehn scoeity cllapses twice
summer steeple
rip
jagged pawn
lmao
summer steeple
you know, I interpreted the "2nd part before halloween" to be a halloween mvm update
not scream fortress
considering they're implying it to be part 2 of this mvm update
not part 2 of updates in this season of autumn that we are in
also I wouldn't really consider october 9th to be "right before Halloween"
like I guess if you consider the entirity of october to be "right before", compared to the rest of the year
but I've never really viewed time that way, maybe its just me
burnt dragon
tf2 classic exists in this weird cryostate where it was originally made to be "w...
tf2 without custom weapons is kinda awful lmao, I like their way of "simple weapons that gives classes more mobility or playstyles"
I like the AAC of heavy
I like their medic tertiary
vip gamemodes are a lot of fun with the general balance etc
I love being a short bald fuck with money personality :>
next nymph
why dont they make a tf2 mod with even more hats and shit
tacit flare
why dont they make a tf2 mod with even more hats and shit
Many have tried, many have failed.
It requires a strong reliable trustworthy team. That's hard enough normally, especially difficult for the TF2 community.
Or maybe just Valve related communities are special in that regard.
next nymph
nah, i think that goes for most communities
radiant merlin
mmm
radiant merlin
Valve confirms mecha update 2.0 (real)
drowsy marlin
Where
glass pollen
Have they not been syncing the valve code changes to the sdk github because they have been adding stuff for the mvm update behind compiler directives and are too lazy to untangle that? Or have they just forgotten about code syncs?
left sand
Have they not been syncing the valve code changes to the sdk github because they...
they just dont have the time to invest in that
floral sandal
they just dont have the time to invest in that
Is that because they're lazy or genuinely doesn't make sense for the workflow?
rare creek
they dont know how git works despite being developers
radiant merlin
corporately lazy
rare creek
They need a tutorial to show how to make a PR to expressjs
left sand
i mean its mostly that the source SDK for tf2 has a lot of undocumented and one off edits which arent integrated into their repository it seems
wintry marlin
don't they use another vcs
left sand
yeah but even then you could copy the files over, but in this case, its not practical
wintry marlin
perforce, just recalled its name
honestly no idea what mod devs are thinking
CYOL aka choose-your-own-lobotomy where you retcon the part that you don't like the mod
stone linden
do they use p4? i thought they used something else or like an in-house valve version control
rare creek
do they use p4? i thought they used something else or like an in-house valve ver...
yeah they use p4
summer steeple
they've occasionally synced changes, and it seems like for PRs that they edit themselves before merging into their own repo they will make github commits for that
recent example (changed ifs from the PR to else ifs)
radiant merlin
orchid sorrel
radiant merlin
FINALLY
wintry marlin
I love touching resupply while reloading and seeing reserve go down by one
it's so funny
floral sandal
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/commit/f75d714138ee926b6631a8762d8f80fc9730ea20
does the gas passer fix also apply to other throwable projectiles?
stuck locust
huge
omg that's big
i can't wait to hit the resupply cabinet and not have my reserve go down to max - 1 :O
drowsy marlin
Wait is that fix live?
That was always such a pet peeve of mine. I always switched to melee when using the resupply cabinet
TF2 really needs to keep these small fixes coming in. I'm loving these
I was so happy when they fixed the minigun animating too fast
stuck locust
That was always such a pet peeve of mine. I always switched to melee when using ...
yeah i do that too lol
i don't think it's live yet
drowsy marlin
Hell even if it is live, years of switching to melee will be a hard habit to break lol
stuck locust
probably the next update since it's merged
radiant merlin
Getting stuck in team unassigned finally fixed
radiant merlin
@summer steeple noice
summer steeple
"so what you see is what you get" -john CS2
anyway I was very confused why you pinged me cause I hadn't checked my email yet so I thought that was a reply to my previous message in here lol
lot of nice little fixes getting merged in
so I guess what this probably means is that every now and again, seemingly unrelated to any patch, they're just going to go on a spree and merge a bunch of PRs, rather than constantly throughout the year
left sand
right before the holidays
summer steeple
I guess? I would've expected it to be closer to smissmas if so
idk, they are probably still working on the MVM update too and who knows when that'll release at this point
summer steeple
yeah its kinda interesting
summer steeple
hm, interesting
presumably replacing floats with doubles in vphysics?
how much would that even help?
rare creek
they are removing the maximum hammer map size
left sand
how much would that even help?
it would prevent stickies going through walls
rare creek
when does that happen?
rare creek
why did 64 bit update cause that couldnt theyu just undo the stickys change in 64 bit upadte
summer steeple
probably an unintended change, like airblast becoming a sphere again (although that was seemingly intended behavior that was broken until the 64bit update)
left sand
why did 64 bit update cause that couldnt theyu just undo the stickys change in 6...
adding double physics reverts that
rare creek
so it was duble before?
left sand
yes afaik
rare creek
wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
left sand
but it was only on 32 bit
lone tinsel
probably an unintended change, like airblast becoming a sphere again (although t...
the code for the cone is still broken aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
floral sandal
Has nobody made a pull request for airblast cone fix?
summer steeple
yeah, iirc they use a function to get a sphere, but the sphere check by default just checks a cube because its supposedly faster (i kind of doubt this since iirc distance checks are faster, which is what sphere checks are, but whatever)
I want to say its something like, by sheer chance, the 64bit update moved things around enough that for the time being, it just so happens to call the ACTUAL sphere check function instead
do not ask me how or why, I believe its been explained to me and I do not understand it
lone tinsel
I want to say its something like, by sheer chance, the 64bit update moved things...
no that's not it
they didn't change anything about the "sphere" trace
summer steeple
i didn't say they did
but i'm probably spreading misinformation anyway because i'm stupid
lone tinsel
:(
summer steeple
I mean please correct me if so I don't want to do that
lone tinsel
iirc the issue is with the CPhysicsTrace::IsBoxIntersectingCone function, which returns uninitialized stack data if the trace doesn't hit
you can see how tr is cleared here and passed into the constructor for CTraceSolver, which looks correct
but if you look at what CTraceSolver does, you can see that it stores the provided trace into a pointer, and copies it's own trace into the provided trace in DoSweep, overwriting the cleared trace.
and since m_trace is never initialized by the constructor, it falls to SweepSingleConvex to initialize it, which it doesn't do in certain codepaths
the reason it got "fixed" in the 64-bit update is that the stack data happens to be 0 where m_trace.startsolid is
left sand
@stone light ^
rare creek
kill c++
left sand
Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year
radiant merlin
Maybe stickies now stick to func_brush? 🥺
summer steeple
what a helpful assert message
anyway nice to see changes from valve finally synced
although most of it is just formatting changes
rip every single "memebers" typo
green tulip
exactly what happened
short'ish version is that VPhysics got changed to use floats instead of doubles ever since L4D1 as an optimization likely for consoles and TF2 ended up inheriting that change in the 64-bit update due to using parts of VPhysics from CS:GO's partial 64-bit port/code. that's my understanding and IMO makes the most sense
burnt dragon
exciting
they are probably rebranding that's what the hidden parts are
classic fortress 2 is a good name I think
team classic is also fine
crisp cedar
theyre awful names because theres still nothing classic about the game
floral sandal
Classically: a team fortress story
radiant merlin
rare creek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waWbOH3uIaU
the link in the description is broken
jagged pawn
theyre awful names because theres still nothing classic about the game
agreed, I think it would be fitting for them to take this opportunity to drop the "classic" branding entirely
it's nonsensical at this point and is solely a holdover from the original team
if they're being forced to change the name anyway, why not do something meaningful with that
burnt dragon
I want liquid physics and a glass team mode where every character is replaced with vases filled with piss
and everyone is obviously one hit and when broken characters hyperrealistically spill the piss depending on the point they break from
jagged pawn
liquid
glass
say no more, ios 26 hud in development
small sirenBOT
burnt dragon
piss UI :O
you know what these new iphone advancements are for? the app everyone were waiting for since iphone 3
the beer drinking app
where the screen shows a filled beer glass that shakes when you shake the phone
next nymph
piss UI :O
👀
radiant merlin
is there any reason why this popup is massive? if i had to guess, i'd say the crate image is supposed to appear there
in 2017 it used to look like this
glass pollen
in 2017 it used to look like this
That certainly looks better
rare creek
i think it was when they added the matchmaking failure dialog
small sirenBOT
floral sandal
I wish valve would update the game with the latest
changes
I'm bored and need an excuse to play
next nymph
you can play it now also
floral sandal
No but then there's no 3rd person minigun fix
Literally unplayable
My subconscious won't allow me to play an inferior release
high current
Just get drunk enough that you can’t tell the difference
summer willow
tacit flare
The hell is this error message?
eternal haven
Restart your steam see if it stops
balmy bronze
The hell is this error message?
Have you visited the troubleshooting page?
paper sluice
Concept heavy,,,,
rare creek
bots are back and this time you literally can't kick them
kill c++
valve would catch every bug in tf2 if the game wasn't made in c++ and they didn't need to worry about memory corruption and so many memory leaks
lone tinsel
what are you talking about c++ is perfectly safe just don't write bad code
more seriously i'm almost certain that the gameplay code is a treasure trove of unfound memory safety issues
i know of at least 1 bug that can crash clients and might be exploitable but idk i haven't tried
rare creek
they do ship with like the stack cookies or whatever so I don't think you can do RCE through buffer overflows but im sure a lot of crashes are because of C++
floral sandal
valve would catch every bug in tf2 if the game wasn't made in c++ and they didn'...
Waiting for some Rust apostle to come out of the woodworks and validate this statement with their life
lone tinsel
stack cookies are a mitigation, they don't magically stop RCE vulnerabilities
eternal haven
memory safety is a mitigation
eternal haven
i know of at least 1 bug that can crash clients and might be exploitable but idk...
there are literally hundreds of ways to crash clients
one time i 'fuzzed' the network in the dumbest way possible by flipping random bits and there were dozens of unique client crashes
rare creek
valve seems to be taking no action this time
high current
Isn’t this a somewhat new development?
The took 5 years to do something last time. So I’d start doing breath holding exercises now if you’re going to hold your breath.
rare creek
i mean they seem to have just given up on banning the bots this time
eternal haven
they gave up for like 2 years last time and then they banned them
just wait 2 years bro
ez
paper sluice
bots are back and this time you literally can't kick them
Did you try kicking from console?
rare creek
no, why would i do that
summer steeple
Did you try kicking from console?
doesn’t work, these bots are stuck on team “unassigned”
rare creek
that's not true, they show up on the red and blu team
unassigned show up as spectators
lone tinsel
one time i 'fuzzed' the network in the dumbest way possible by flipping random b...
lmao
left sand
unassigned show up as spectators
well technically not true because in casual you can have an assigned team in the GC which shows up on the scoreboard but in the game state you're unassigned
but i couldnt really tell why you wouldnt be able to kick from team unassigned TBH
like i couldnt find any logic for that
rare creek
but im not on team unassigned and i can see them in the voting menu
left sand
i think this bug stems from a lot of GC stuff
like GC voting restrictions
and the GC team assignment
rare creek
REMOVE THE FUCKING GC BRING BACK QUICKPLAY
left sand
you can kick spectators and unassigned players im pretty sure
actually mvm only maybe
idk
i forgor
summer steeple
iirc it’s only in mvm
left sand
i thought it was specifically that mvm COULDNT kick spectators
but then there was a cvar to enable it
lone tinsel
REMOVE THE FUCKING GC BRING BACK QUICKPLAY
it would be really cool if valve released the gc server i think
rare creek
RELEASED IT FROM ITS PAIN OF EXISTENCE
lone tinsel
valve should fully remove all the remaining quickplay code just to spite you
that would be funny
left sand
they should add the quickplay ui as an alternative to the server browser and see it solve nothing
radiant merlin
idk why there was a sorta drama about this pr, and it was not from bot hosters lol
radiant merlin
Coms what's the issue with the pr?
I've seen others suggesting an autokick instead of this
rare creek
tf2 mommy domination taunt
radiant merlin
radiant merlin
cs2
floral sandal
bots are back and this time you literally can't kick them
running into same issue
vote never goes through
how the fuck is this possible
I've noticed this only happens in groups of five
maybe the exploit is related to party queuing?
burnt dragon
the link leads here lol
https://www.youtube.com/@michaeltimothycole/videos who is this guy lmao
craggy ridge
any suggestions on what to use to better hide team recognition?
rare creek
literally none of them are banned, valve stopped caring about stopping bots, we need to bring back #savetf2
drowsy marlin
im sure there's members at valve that do care and are aware
dealing with it will always take time and resources
rare creek
no it doesnt you can take a 3 second look at each of these reported profiles and know that they are a bot
drowsy marlin
and this time around, in my experience, it's not as disruptive how it was a few years back
rare creek
and ohhh noo a trillion dollar company releasing a new game console has to spend a tiny bit of time and resources to TAKE CARE OF THEIR GAME
STOP GIVING VALVE A FUCKING BREAK
THIS IS SIMPLE SHIT
drowsy marlin
im sure you'll get your point across to me typing in all caps
if it's simple then be the change you wanna see. go to valve and fix it yourself
rare creek
be careful what you wish for buddy
drowsy marlin
it would be pretty hilarous if you elaborated
orchid sorrel
someone found an OOB exploit in rottenburg
high current
The MvM map? I'm surprised it took this long tbh
floral sandal
TLDR: Latest item schema from November 14th re-adds Poker Night 1 achievement items, except instead of linking to old store page steam app ID it's a mysterious new steam app ID last updated a day ago, suggesting a rerelease is planned
..Or half life 3 tie-in achievements (real)
small sirenBOT
wintry marlin
The second game was much better
drowsy marlin
Is there a way to record every single game I play as a demo, and I get the POV of everyone else?
wintry marlin
normally replays are what you use to get other POVs. Competitive matches probably use something that lets them combine all POV demos into a single recording without using the replay system.
Or they record the match server side... is that what sourceTV is?
I doubt casual lets you record other POVs.
SourceTV can also record server-side demos that contain the whole game with all entities and events.
lone tinsel
iirc there are some tricks you can do to load client demos in the replay editor and view other POVs, but they can only ever show what your client receives from the server.
wintry marlin
and it seems like sourcetv is completely serverside; only accessible by admins and has to be ran before the map loads. Unless there is a way to tell the server to record the match and then give you the file it might be a dead end.
lone tinsel
yep
wintry marlin
which is what replay system is supposed to do
left sand
tc2 will fix this
high current
and it seems like sourcetv is completely serverside; only accessible by admins a...
iirc from my excursions into demo parsing, STV demos are a special type of demo, they have a special flag either in the header of the demo’s data or in the signon packet.
You could maybe do some hacky shenanigans to view things like the movement of players other than the local player. Demos are essentially just an archive of all the packets the server sent the client while they were playing.
But I’m not sure if other players’ information is tracked in depth enough to have a meaningful POV extracted from your POV demo. Haven’t gotten that far into demo parsing to know that answer.
lone tinsel
did you ever release your parser?
high current
No the past couple weeks have been final project weeks for my C course. So I’ve been slammed with that.
My demo archiver and parser repo will probably be public by the second week of December and I’m aiming for Christmas for the official public release of the archiver.
The parser right now basically reads the signon packet and goes “okay thanks bye”, since that’s all I need for the archiver. I’ll probably do more with the parser after I release the archiver and deal with whatever patches and revisions come along with that.
stuck locust
iirc from my excursions into demo parsing, STV demos are a special type of demo,...
iirc for as long as the player is rendered on your client then you can extract their pov
i believe with like anti-wallhack plugins it'll cause more pauses in the opponent's extracted pov rather than with a casual match or something
high current
iirc for as long as the player is rendered on your client then you can extract t...
That’s sorta what I thought. But I’m not sure what their POV would look like if they’re going in and out of render. I assume you’d probably just have to trim unrendered parts.
left sand
iirc for as long as the player is rendered on your client then you can extract t...
you wont get high accuracy data though
stuck locust
That’s sorta what I thought. But I’m not sure what their POV would look like if ...
i think it just pauses at where they were last seen and then updates the next time they get rendered
stuck locust
you wont get high accuracy data though
no definitely not high accuracy, but watching their pov is similar to an stv for as long as the player is actually being rendered if i'm remembering the playback correctly
it's possible the view angles are less accurate than i remember, it's been a few years
stuck locust
iirc there are some tricks you can do to load client demos in the replay editor ...
not sure if this tool still works or not https://github.com/deluxghost/demor
burnt dragon
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radiant merlin
everytime some youtuber talks about tf2, they put beta content, why
and gaming newspages too, like i swear i've seen countless times that they put this beta photo group instead of the most recent one that appears first
left sand
thats just the footage and content available
and honestly, who really cares
its decently representative of stuff to a general audience
of course, it would be better if there was updated graphics
but thats just the footage even valve uses on their steam page
orchid sorrel
at least its not gmod/sfm shitposts
ive seen too many articles include a rubberfruit bird scout image
left sand
shout out to SourceSus youtube channel
orchid sorrel
at least we havent seen an official outlet use mimi sentry yet
left sand
all valorant players would go straight to tf2
drowsy marlin
Beta TF2 does go hard, I wish there was some mod to bring that back to those old days
I'm sure no one has had that idea yet
burnt dragon
everytime some youtuber talks about tf2, they put beta content, why
this scene but sped up like 1.5x too
its so funny to me
wintry marlin
Anyone else feeling like tf2 onboarding and new player experience makes it difficult to recommend to fortnite kids
I might be out of touch bc last time I took interest in what goes on in their life they were playing among us.
maybe it's passable but could be better
ehh they're probably modding minecraft right now.
left sand
Anyone else feeling like tf2 onboarding and new player experience makes it diffi...
im working on it
wintry marlin
oh cool
I remember tf2 having popups with text that tutorialized the menu and then going into training but after that it's free sailing
Then came tinkering with graphics and advanced menu settings and that was neat. Made it feel right for me.
I don't think I had huge issues with the defaults. Not like I knew any better though.
I am just imagining how it must be like after you've been spoiled by modern titles tho
drowsy marlin
What we need is a TF2 story mode. One for each class
wintry marlin
What we need is a TF2 story mode. One for each class
The contracts could be used for that
drowsy marlin
Okay...
paper sluice
Beta TF2 does go hard, I wish there was some mod to bring that back to those old...
Hey.
floral sandal
Mini rant: The process behind tf2's github updates irrationally pisses me off
Like what is the determining factor behind what pull requests get merged
If development is really being conducted by a skeleton crew I wish they would own up to it
"tf team" it's just listyl (Froggy) and Eric Smith bro 🥀
Valve has infinite money spools, it would be so easy to hire a dedicated contractor specifically for maintaining sdk2013
burnt dragon
bro they dont give a fuck about cs2 let alone tf2 lmao
community maps and skins, ungodly amounts of cheating, literally nothing to be excited for in that game
balmy bronze
Anyone else feeling like tf2 onboarding and new player experience makes it diffi...
Yes, because it is
Tf2's tutorial is insanely outdated
like soldier tutorial tells you to melee pyros
thats how outdated it is
wintry marlin
Because they can't airblast, of course
rare creek
i learned the game just fine from the tutorial and never needed help playing the game after playing the tutorial
rare creek
Because they can't airblast, of course
keep in mind that the tutorial was added 2 years after pyro got a right click
it's not outdated
left sand
It's outdated in the sense that the game theory has changed
tanking rocket damage is a very basic concept in TF2 now because of rampup
plus the trick with jumping reducing your damage taken
also point blank air blasting is pretty much impossible
heady juniper
cursive peak
Point blank reflects are possible. Just gotta predict the fire and airblast. What Pyro hasn't done that a bunch?
rare creek
they're not possible when im the soldier because im just better