Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[potent wolf]

Fixed Hale's attacks applying knockback in the wrong direction

Fixed dead players being flagged as AFK and kicked for idling during long rounds

Fixed the round timer resetting to 60 seconds if it was lower when the number of alive Mercs dropped to 5

Fixed Hale being able to punch immediately as the Sweeping Charge ends.

Fixed Hale's punch knockback being too strong against Demoman, Heavy, and Medic

Fixed healing effects from the Warrior's Spirit and the Powerjack erasing overheal

Fixed the Quick-Fix occasionally failing to mirror the patient's Wall Climbing

Fixed a rare bug at the start of a round where Hale couldn't move

Fixed being able to Wall Climb off of projectiles

@oblique tangle does this help?

[cobalt spruce]

love me some bug fixes

[radiant merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-blur-pixel-gif-17588996

[summer steeple]

good use of func_camera (?)

[oblique tangle]

any cool maps in this update

worth playing

[radiant merlin]

now there's no reason not to update the shred alert

[high current]

ctf_pressure kinda not great. Looks super cool but what a labrynth

[wild grove]

Map bad when lose, map good when win rah

[high current]

everyone left before anyone won

[radiant merlin]

a lot of maps receiving hate rn

well it's like 3 maps i think

yknow if valve were to simply make seasonal maps, then everyone would say "ok this map sucks but at least is going to stay only for a month, and the good maps are going to stay!"

[uncut spear]

YAY SO GLAD BEAR HUG GOT IN 😭

such a good taunt idea

[burnt dragon]

YOU CAN PUT A TURRET ON TOP OF THE TANK IN CITADEL

DUDE.

awful -w-''

tank in itself is a huge block of cover

I have no idea why did they chose that as the bomb cart

rooms are convoluted and cramped enough that its great to half zatoichi

fill the bingo card for cargo map, has purple missing texture for reflections

[high current]

I played all the maps on stream tonight.
Honestly I thought most the maps were good. Pressure was the only one where I went “this is shit”.
Demolition felt a bit unfinished. Like the spawn room spawns you facing the wrong way. And a lot of the map seems built for parkouring around but it’s not quite polished. You have things like clipping above rooms so if you don’t jump directly into them you get shoved away from them and stuff. But otherwise it was fun

Cargo could be held by me solo with a banner. But I liked it

[burnt dragon]

I enjoyed cargo and citadels map layout so far

but I hate how citadel uses a tank as a bomb cart that oyu can literally build sentries and dispensers on

I would take cargo as an official update

[high current]

I thought it was cool. Citadel seems to favor defense pretty heavily. I almost felt like it needs multiple setup stages.

[burnt dragon]

reminds me of mercenary park a lot

the problem with demolition isnt the map gameplay, its the weird kinks like peaches said, players spawn facing wrong way

[high current]

Conifer was pretty cool. Not the best designed map but it feels like a 2013 map, it’s open, has goofy spots and routes, and is fun.

[burnt dragon]

its the basic issues

[burnt dragon]

I can definitely see that lol

[high current]

Demolition was fun. Honestly I think it would be a lot of fun with like 4v4 friends at 1am.

12v12 it’s a cluster fuck. But I still enjoyed it

[radiant merlin]

Nvm i think they were referring to one part of the map

[high current]

I don’t think this has been the strongest map pool of an update we’ve gotten. But ultimately I’d say the only one that I am mad at valve for its pressure. I’m just a hater.

Aquarius though is the best water map we have

[burnt dragon]

2020 era winter maps lmao

[radiant merlin]

Oh tf2 now has servers in finland

[burnt dragon]

yeah they added them few months ago

conifer has some crazy sightlines for sniper lol

pressure isnt that bad tbh

its ctf but still, not bad

putting sentries on water exits is really fun

[crisp cedar]

wtf they added a paid taunt kill?

[radiant merlin]

And i think it has a longer range than the showdown taunt lol

[summer steeple]

honestly like i don't really care

taunt kills are funny haha jokes that are hard to pull off anyway

[small siren]

*taunt kills are funny

haha jokes that are hard to

pull off anyway*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

i should mention, I have no intention of getting the taunt

i definitely could see it becoming an issue but I don't have an issue with it rn

[oblique tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-lebron-screaming-lebron-lebron-james-screaming-gif-5629213437781461656

[crisp cedar]

im surprised it took them this long

there should be a showdown taunt where two players are ready to draw the gun and whoever clicks first kills the other player

[burnt dragon]

I was checking the new cosmetics and theres actually some really nice small stuff

but theres actually bad looking ones

shady shelby looks choppy and needs more work

frogmans fittings looks.. bad?

le morne uniforme looks like 3 layers of cardboard thick

and as if they added another entire layer of pudding onto the spy :(

sir buildsalot should be a halloween item I think

short fuse is funny, not fitting but cute :')

abyss diver... dont wanna talk about it, the oxygen tank piece is really good imo tho

the piece without oxygen tank doesnt even connect it just flies on air

WHY?

[glass musk]

time for a mod that fixes all cosmetics inconsistencies

[burnt dragon]

I dont care about unusuals, but fully overcharged looks... like it shouldnt be in the game for obvious reasons

I want unusual effects to be like iconic outline

not otherworldly, they look weird, out of place :(

good taunts tho :3

[oblique tangle]

great update love the underwater aquarium map too bad this game has random crits

[radiant merlin]

That citadel map, maybe it's an opportunity for valve to nerf the short circuit, right? 😃

[burnt dragon]

I hate the tank being a moving castle for sentries

its so irritating to play against.

[high current]

I think the sentries on the tank are fine. Tbh it seems super defense sided because literally everything is an uphill battle because they expect sentries on the tank to be OP. But even with short circuit spam you can kinda just shoot them as sniper, or any hitscan class.

Or there’s some good flank routes that only projectiles can take by jumping around edges of the map and shoot the blue team in the cheeks then kill the sentries

I think the spawn rooms could use some work but with some updates I think it could be okay.

[burnt dragon]

my team on several different servers failed to do that

so maybe thats why I got annoyed by it that much

[high current]

Yeh a lot of people assume explosives are the counter to sentry spam. But vs short circuit it’s literally worthless.
I do think short circuit deserves a “does not resupply from dispensers or payload carts while active” stat.

[next nymph]

turn short circuit into a magnet that brings the explosives directly to your face

[high current]

Agreed

[left sand]

it doesnt resupply from dispensers i thought

[high current]

breaking news: JK Rowling's least favorite map is now koth_demolition

Saw a post on reddit and couldn't tell if it was a shit post so checked for myself.
Not sure how this will fall in the realm of tf2 "political" easter eggs.
It's on the nose but it's also hidden behind a console command you'd never see unless you went looking for it in an offline server.

[balmy bronze]

It can, that patchnote is from 11 years ago

but not exactly the best idea since it'll burn through your dispensers supply

[high current]

Just checked and it definitely still does.
Maybe it got added back at some point.

Yeh tbh I don't mind it resupplying from dispensers. But payload carts are crazy with it.
Though if you're going to disable one I think it'd make sense for both parity wise

[left sand]

oh i misremembered

ig i was thinking of widowmaker or something idk

or something else in mvm

maybe beggars

idk

[balmy bronze]

Fun fact: for some weird reason the short circuit ball doesn't destroy huntsman arrows

and you can snipe the engie through it

thanks valve

being a caveman counters surprising amount of strategies in this game

[balmy bronze]

yeah thats beggars downside

[high current]

I thought it did, it was just super unreliable because of the speed and the check rate for the short circuit.
I know direct hit has like a 50/50 chance of getting blocked.

[next nymph]

recurve bows originated in the third or fourth millennium BCE, and that's not using more modern bowmaking materials like metal that the sniper does. Definitely not caveman tools

[orchid sorrel]

Might be a similar reason why pyro mvm bots cant reflect arrows without penetration

Since the arrows move so fast they dont have proper reaction time

[high current]

This is why we need a character with a spear so we can have debated over whether spears first appeared in use by homo habilis, an earlier hominid species, or a primate prior to the homonids referencing observations of chimpanzees using sticks as spear like weapons.
And yes I know chimpanzees do not predate hominids.

[hidden gyro]

New TF2 update?

Couldn't doing matchmaking without restarting but no annoucement post as of yet

[potent wolf]

yes

[hidden gyro]

OOP

There it is

Fixed Wrangler shield not moving with parented Sentry Gun (GitHub fix from ficool2)

Cart Sentries just got a buff

[left sand]

just visual

[hidden gyro]

Oh

[next nymph]

And yes I know chimpanzees do not predate hominids.
Do we know this for sure in the TF2 universe?

[high current]

TF2 universe follows real history up until the gravel wars doesn't it?

[glass musk]

new updat

[high current]

And I believe Cave Johnson references testing some things on chimpanzees prior to humans in portal. So presumably their evolution and proximity as a species is consistent with current science

[summer steeple]

shakespearicles

abe lincoln creates the staircase as a solution to requring to rocket jump in order to reach the 2nd floor of a building

australia

[crisp cedar]

another trans rights hidden in map

when are they gonna hide free palestine in a map huh

[hidden gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-3851471549750385303

[crisp cedar]

what the fuck they added a disco elysium set lmao

[next nymph]

in pl_gaza the payload is humanitarian aid

[hidden gyro]

The civilian gamemode was ahead of its time

[potent wolf]

bomb-shaped humanitarian aid

[hidden gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-gif-27535478

[glass musk]

I have a warpaint that is stuck on forever loading, and it also causes a bug where cosmetic and weapon names do not show in the loadout screen. Insane

I just listed it on the marketplace, so whoever buys it will suffer from the same bug

[burnt dragon]

youre thinking of beggars

[glass musk]

https://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/440/Nutcracker Mk.II Powerjack (Factory New)

maybe it's specifically my version that is cursed? no idea

[burnt dragon]

lovely skin, it will be amazing to use when 16k res 50' screens become the norm and it will be possible to see the diamond net texture in game

[glass musk]

lmao

the cursed warpaint

[kind falcon]

i give you 9 cents for it.

[glass musk]

don't low ball me, I know what I got

2000 keys

[kind falcon]

11 cents

[burnt dragon]

3 ref

[burnt dragon]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/76562134567891011/

cheater reported to hell

lets see if they still ban them

[burnt dragon]

holy shit what the account got deleted

[kind falcon]

me when i use the custom id functionality to make it appear as if my steam id is that of another user

[burnt dragon]

heck.

I got excited that valve did its thing for once

[kind falcon]

they automatically do it with stupid repeat offenders

me thinks u can fetch the profile off the match history but i dont recall if thats real at all

[burnt dragon]

not sure how

[kind falcon]

nvm not in tf2

[burnt dragon]

oh right there is a feature

but I played several matches after that :)

[jagged pawn]

ok I was busy for the past couple days and I'm finally looking through everything now

flying colors and bear hug might both be top 5 taunts in the game

absolutely insane quality

[velvet raft]

https://vm.vxtiktok.com/ZMSvxhJpM/

[burnt dragon]

true!

I would love to use flying colours on the capture point

pyro version seems... lil too agressive tho lmao

definitely not the worst seasonal batch we got

big fan

[cursive peak]

Rare Saturday update

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=249410

[left sand]

taunt rebuffed

[radiant merlin]

Ahahaha

It could have a similar behavior to the rainblower

[left sand]

it should be like high noon ult

[radiant merlin]

Where it instakills at close range but does dmg at longer

[left sand]

it shoots everyone in front of engi

[radiant merlin]

Valve pls update the shred alert 🙏

[sterile ferry]

does raindblowrr do that or did u mean scorch

also with the newer version of comfig if i want to change the settings from preset do i put stuff like post_processing=high in overrides or some other place

oh nevermind it mightve been the exact older modules.cfg in the overrides folder that was causing my confusion with the presets seeming weird

[radiant merlin]

Oh yeah the scorch shot also behaves like that

[sterile ferry]

i thought rainblowers damage decrease was like

based off the amount of people it hits

maybe i read the wiki wrong 3 years ago

[burnt dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF0SYaCWUSo

good video :3

[left sand]

known transphobe

[wintry marlin]

That makes 3

Interesting, I didn't know that

[balmy night]

I'm guessing the other 2 are zesty and monkey?

[balmy night]

wait he is?

damn

[wintry marlin]

Yes

[orchid sorrel]

@left sand friend and I are gonna do some mecha engine mann up in a bit, wanna play?

[left sand]

napping!

[kind falcon]

napster

[orchid sorrel]

[burnt dragon]

oh.

agony.

I really liked his videos and explanations damn

[sterile ferry]

what are the console commands used for the post_processing module now

i wanted to try and make something kind of between default and calm

[kind falcon]

post_processing_default "mat_hdr_level 2;mat_colorcorrection 1;mat_colcorrection_disableentities 0;r_bloomtintexponent 2.2;mat_bloom_scalefactor_scalar 1;r_shader_srgb 0;"
post_processing_calm "mat_hdr_level 2;mat_colorcorrection 1;mat_colcorrection_disableentities 0;r_bloomtintexponent 2.2;mat_bloom_scalefactor_scalar .25;r_shader_srgb 0;"

[sterile ferry]

thanks

had just found them in the vpk myself by chance

oh the difference is literally just one console command ❤️

[balmy night]

monkey yeah, but zesty is a weird case since his top moderator has a prominent trans flag next to her pronouns.

[kind falcon]

why is vro opening the vpk 💔

[sterile ferry]

were they elsewhere aswell

[left sand]

https://github.com/mastercomfig/mastercomfig/blob/develop/config/mastercomfig/cfg/comfig/comfig.cfg

[sterile ferry]

o

[kind falcon]

reada the sourca koda

[wintry marlin]

It's not like he had another drama related to it in recent years so like, sure go off zestie!!

It's been like a decade

[balmy night]

true, just pointing it out though lol

[wintry marlin]

Go zestie go

His recent thumbnail is buff shark girl with his oc hair

[kind falcon]

#goon

[sterile ferry]

is there any updated comments on commands in this one or is it mostly the same

[left sand]

updated comments? vs what

[balmy night]

actually I think the moderator is in this server, awoogi I think

[stuck locust]

:O

[kind falcon]

golden wernch

[burnt dragon]

richness

[left sand]

https://youtu.be/5phFcxa9nKw

[radiant merlin]

@left sand do you mind if i create a pr with your dynamic crosshair cvar? Or you rather prefer to do it yourself?

[left sand]

I'll submit all of them when they're ready

[mystic anchor]

monkey aint?

[balmy night]

Ask vex ig

[wintry marlin]

Zesty's sattelite swede

Orbits around

Same character only missing a rantsona

But it just be an assumption about insensitive humor taken at face value

Keep in mind using a slur is like bottom tier transphobia to me, it's like speeding, a victimless crime

But he might hit a speed bump

The internet will only pull you over if they see you do it

[small siren]

*The internet will

only pull you over if

they see you do it*

- Vex

[wintry marlin]

And even then it's only if they care this strongly or if they don't like them in particular

[potent wolf]

this is the 100000th message in this channel

[summer steeple]

valve please

also golden pan drop for someone, so thats cool

[radiant merlin]

simplified inspect panel

damn now i remember i said i wouldn't make any more prs unless valve accepted any of mine

[radiant merlin]

best freezecam i got in years

[left sand]

thats like the 5th one in a few days?

[summer steeple]

is it? I haven't been playing

[crisp cedar]

im realizing that the mvm update might make people discover pans a bit more

just because more people will be playing mvm now

[radiant merlin]

what are these files for?

[hoary geyser]

enginer

[proper tangle]

go ahead

PEE

[high current]

Phonemes are the smallest unit of vocalized sound. So these appear to be different facial expressions for mouth syncing voice lines?

[radiant merlin]

so the game uses these images and translate them to code somehow?

[heavy solar]

@radiant merlin has leveled up! (28 ➜ 29)

[small siren]

*so the game uses

these images and translate

them to code somehow?*

- ashewiki_tf

[summer steeple]

I'm not if these are actually "used" by the game itself

I have scout and spy folders but thats it

also in the misc vpk phonemes are stored like this

i don't know why and how it would export each one to a bmp

[small siren]

*i don't know why and

how it would export each one

to a bmp*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

ok here's your answer

the game doesn't

its used by hlfaceposer

i still don't know why

[left sand]

probably to visualize it

[summer steeple]

I mean that was my first thought but it has a 3d view

but also a dedicated button to regenerate the phoneme bmp files

oh its for thumbnails isn't it lmao

lmao im stupid

well i guess mystery solved, I must've opened hlfaceposer for some reason in 2022 and looked at spy and scout, and then closed it

(or it crashed, also a possibility)

[radiant merlin]

w

i was expecting that they rejected, i've heard that they have done that to other users

[burnt dragon]

my characters eyes are missing texture shaped

this started after I switched to an AMD gpu

what can be the reason

[kind falcon]

amd drivers

[burnt dragon]

they do be latest

[oblique tangle]

they do be suckin tho

[jagged pawn]

late but finally got the chance to play the update, not a huge fan of most of the maps

[radiant merlin]

mannhole is reskin?

[jagged pawn]

it got added last year as koth_sewer

it's the map with all the rats

WAIT IT DIDN'T GET ADDED???? nvm it's the first time it's been added lmao

I could've sworn that sewer made it in

[burnt dragon]

I enjoy boardwalk on Halloween

I hope they add it to the main map cycle

[burnt dragon]

I dont

[drowsy marlin]

What map did cargo plagiarised

[glass musk]

there is no fucking way

[stuck locust]

i never ran into that

[glass musk]

I'm testing the validity of this right now

[stuck locust]

and that wouldn't make much sense anyway

[cursive peak]

Yeah, I've had it on secondary drives for years without issue. Is this person just using a slow ass HDD for their other drives?

[glass musk]

bs as expected

[cursive peak]

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=249654

[radiant merlin]

nothing

[jagged pawn]

somehow never knew about this

(this is in regards to the crits on the kgb, which have a listed time of 5 seconds but actually last for 6)

very funny

[left sand]

seems like it worked then

[jagged pawn]

that would imply that I use the kgb

[summer steeple]

for some reason this reminded me of a completely unrelated thing I found out the other day, which is how autobalance works

[heavy solar]

@summer steeple has leveled up! (88 ➜ 89)

[summer steeple]

unlike what the wiki claims, its not random at all

in matches (casual & comp, not that the latter has autobalance) its based on MMR, otherwise its based off of your score

tl;dr it gets the total MMR or score for both teams, calculates the difference, then takes that number, divides it by 2, and then divides it by how many players need to be moved to get the average MMR/score needed per player moved to try and balance it out

at which point it then tries to find candidates that are as close to the value as possible

which imo kinda... sucks?

I feel like usually when autobalance is needed its because several players leave, usually because they're losing, so instead of moving players over that are potentially having a massive impact on their team (carrying, etc.), it will almost always pick someone that is simply ok at the game

so nothing will change

I'm not sure what a better solution would be, and I get why they would do it this way, but I don't know how effective it really is

also it sort of means that if you don't want to get autobalanced, simply either be really good at the game or really really bad

[misty plover]

In tf2, kills are a pretty effective metric for how useful you are

So probably something like weighting off KPM but still being random could be useful

[burnt dragon]

tf2 auto balance actually sucks

yesterday I got autobalanced at the same tick as victory

[small siren]

*yesterday I got

autobalanced at the same

tick as victory*

- polarite

[burnt dragon]

so I had victory music playing on background while my scout changed teams and waiting to be murdered at enemy spawn point

I was so confused

[uncut spear]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/610169

[balmy bronze]

What map does cp_cargo plagiarise?

[jagged pawn]

the first half is nearly identical to mercenary park, and I find second pretty similar to gorge too

and like on the one hand I'm kinda fine with that bc those are both great points

but it just feels weird to have the equivalent of cp_follower in the game

[summer steeple]

tbf merc park is gorge 2

i haven't played the map yet so idk how similar it is

[small siren]

*i haven't played the

map yet so idk how

similar it is*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

but i just think its kind of funny to remark that something is similar to merc park and gorge cause its like saying a cs map is similar to dust AND dust 2

[jagged pawn]

LOL ok but like you'll probably get it when you play it

[small siren]

*LOL ok

but like you'll probably get

it when you play it*

- Grapevime

[jagged pawn]

like yeah those are def similar maps

but there are pretty notable differences too

[summer steeple]

i guess there also is a difference between valve building stuff using their own maps compared to someone else doing so

plus I uh, think all the maps that are essentially sequels are made by dario casali so it might just be a casali thing

hm well the gorge blog post was done by driller so maybe not

but goldrush (dustbowl 2) is casali

[high current]

Koth_blowout and conifer would be my top picks tbh.
Aquarius was a gimmick that didn’t play like shit, so pretty neat imo.
Cargo was okay, idk how it was plagiarized but if it was then bummer.
Citadel was okay, too defense sided.
I’d put fulger in bland. Tbh it just played kinda slow. Looks balanced but the play didn’t have anything that screamed personality imo. And the aesthetics of the map were okay in parts and generic concrete room in others.

Ngl. I would rather play whatsville than pressure.
Not only is it ctf. But it’s a legit labyrinth. First map in AGES I’ve gotten genuinely lost on. And once you figure out your way around, it doesn’t play particularly well.

[jagged pawn]

it just plays extremely similarly to a/d maps that are already in the game like mercenary park and gorge, that's all

[jagged pawn]

it might be my new least favorite year-round map, somehow

[cursive peak]

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=249943

[radiant merlin]

why hasn't valve accepted the fix for this yet?

[rugged ridge]

Valve time strikes again

[summer steeple]

good map

[burnt dragon]

actually that made me laugh so much

it is so random and silly

[high current]

Valve fears vgui

[wintry marlin]

Software bleeds

[tacit flare]

// My hope is that this code is so awful I'm never allowed to write UI code again.

[high current]

Who do I need to submit my resume to to willingly work on vgui code at valve?
I’ll be the potted plant’s coworker

[cobalt spruce]

you can give it to me, i promise it will ~~ immediately be put in the shredder ~~ be forwarded to the proper parties

[radiant merlin]

testing something and it works, nice

custom controller glyphs

[high current]

Bitmap fonts?

[radiant merlin]

The game uses png files from steam, so now it uses a file i put in the game files

It would require a dictionary? Idk its name in c++

To link names to file directories

Or just use a bunch of if

[high current]

Oh that’s cool

[tacit flare]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HmHxrPBwLmg?feature=share

Phase Stabbing. Dear god.

[kind falcon]

pls never fix the phasing bug dear valv

[tacit flare]

If two players are phasing EVERYONE IN THE SERVER HAS PHASING!?

[small siren]

If two players are

phasing *EVERYONE IN THE

SERVER HAS PHASING!?*

- agent.artemis

[tacit flare]

Thank you HaikuBot.

[wintry marlin]

Correct

[left sand]

wait really?

[tacit flare]

In that short, he gets two of his friends to clip into each other to enable it, then phases through the demoknight.

[radiant merlin]

Loo

L

This is indeed a spaghetti moment

[stuck locust]

i think so

[radiant merlin]

a very expensive video is being cooked

[high current]

Reminds me of like 5 years ago when there was a spy in RGL who was blatantly using a lag switch to phase through players, walls, etc. But tf2 tools couldn’t prove it was an external program and there were no restrictions on internet quality at the time. So the dude just got away with it until they got bored iirc.

[tough locust]

no-hats-bgum lol

[radiant merlin]

I can finally mute people in 50v50

[burnt dragon]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/3545060/eventcomments/599659549028321373?snr=1_2108_9__2107

not the stuff I would see fitting but eg

[cobalt spruce]

cant wait for this to break most mods for the old versions of the game (game? mod? idk)

[burnt dragon]

this is a mod for live tf2

it wont break anything

but most stuff that are mentioned there kinda feels a bit out of place for tf2

wrinkle mapping etc feels lil eeeeeeh

[cobalt spruce]

meant mods specifically for the old sdk 2013 tf2c

[jagged pawn]

is that not inevitable

[cobalt spruce]

yer

[jagged pawn]

you have to break those if you ever want to make any significant changes

[cobalt spruce]

i know, just not fun to go through my mods to fix them lol

[jagged pawn]

fair enough

[cobalt spruce]

does feel a bit unnecessary imo, will hardly notice really

the modular team thing for mappers is kinda cool though

SVG support for HUD elements
also pretty neat

[burnt dragon]

even if it is noticeable, I dont think its fitting to game style

[left sand]

im pretty sure its part of the SFM models

[burnt dragon]

I never noticed that on models

I use workshop ones with higher detail

[glass musk]

do you happen to know what’s causing this glow near the shadow lines? reminds me of G-sync or something, but I have VRR disabled on my monitor, and enabling it didn’t change anything @eternal haven

[heavy solar]

@glass musk has leveled up! (18 ➜ 19)

[glass musk]

more specifically, I think I remember experiencing a similar thing when I used the faster response-time option on my previous monitor

I have an OLED monitor now, so I guess the reason lies in OLED’s instant response times?

[eternal haven]

Tbh I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing in that video

[glass musk]

insane

there's like white outlines near shadow lines whenever I move my mouse

[eternal haven]

maybe it's something that just shows up on your specific monitor?

either that or I just don't know what to look for

[glass musk]

let me extract frames from the video

brb

[eternal haven]

do I need to view it at native res?

like are there thin 1px lines?

I'm just not noticing anything abnormal really

if you mean the banding that might just be normal but I am not sure

[glass musk]

omg bruh... I forgot that AV1 is not supported in any sane video editing software

[glass musk]

the banding is normal

[eternal haven]

where on the screen should I be looking?

in the center?

[glass musk]

near lines of shadows

where the shadows end

lines of light

[eternal haven]

like the lightmaps

?

[glass musk]

pretty much where the light ends, the outlines there

[eternal haven]

I don't think I'm seeing any white outlines

maybe someone else can look at it

it's possible I'm stupid and missing something

[glass musk]

I'm just gonna be bold and say that this is related to the response time of a monitor

[eternal haven]

do you have another monitor you can watch the video on?

[glass musk]

yeah

brb

yeah, it’s related to the monitor. I think it’s just a byproduct of instant response times @eternal haven

[eternal haven]

I mean that just means the LEDs change from one brightness to another very quickly

whereas on an LCD the pixels change from one opacity to another gradually over the course of one to several milliseconds (and potentially overshoot their target depending on how they're driven)

[glass musk]

I think I should try updating the firmware

it may be called "overshoot"

[eternal haven]

yeah if there's an update available I'd do it

[glass musk]

or something

happens when monitor's overdrive is set too high

[eternal haven]

Idk too much about these new oled monitors

[glass musk]

does your monitor have an option to enable faster response time?

[eternal haven]

It has an overdrive feature yeah

a lot of high refresh rate LCDs do

I'm not sure that OLED would have an overdrive feature

[heavy solar]

@eternal haven has leveled up! (36 ➜ 37)

[glass musk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/13fvti8/lg_27gr95qeb_has_fixed_the_overshoot_issue_with/

should be fixed

let's see

[tough locust]

this used to be in tf2 if you used hwm models but those were deprecated in like 2011

pretty sure there's a mod on gamebanana that recreates this on top of the regular non-hwm merc heads but it has a ton of other unnecessary changes to the models

[glass musk]

thankfully, already running the latest firmware, otherwise I would’ve had to buy a fucking usb-a to usb-b cable (common with printers?). anyway TF2 is the only game where it’s noticeable, and only if I’m looking for it, so no big deal @eternal haven

[eternal haven]

Maybe mess around with all the settings on the monitor?

without seeing the artifact I have no idea what could cause it and even if I saw it I don't think I'd have a clue

but personally I would not be happy with an artifact like what you're describing

on a $600 monitor

if you're using it with 10 bit color and DSC maybe try switching it to 8 bit so you can disable DSC?

just to check if that's the cause

I doubt it would be

Are you using HDMI or DP?

[glass musk]

DP. If I switch to HDMI 2.1, it might fix the issue, but I don’t care enough currently

upgrading to HDMI 2.1 would also let me use 10 bit color depth, so that'd be nice

[cursive peak]

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=250139

[eternal haven]

I think you should be able to use it with DP 1.4 with DSC

[tacit flare]

"Fixed CVoiceStatus::UpdateServerState not sending the correct vban state from the client"

[heavy solar]

@tacit flare has leveled up! (46 ➜ 47)

[tacit flare]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-robotnik-eggman-promotion-gif-8662269

[summer steeple]

tbh i'm disappointed at how valve barely merges in PRs

but i guess in a game like this reviewing PRs is time consuming

when you only have uh, a potted plant to do the work

[eternal haven]

There are a lot of considerations to be made

[left sand]

thats why team comtress exists

[eternal haven]

for each thing merged

[summer steeple]

we got a good chunk in may with the first 2 patches after the TF2 SDK went released... and then we got 3 total after the summer patch

[summer steeple]

yeah of course, and I'm sure eric (and whoever else could/would do it) probably are busy

[left sand]

small indie company

[radiant merlin]

Just play comtress!

[summer steeple]

but tbh I think its quite funny that the big summer update has 0 PRs merged, but then 2 of the 4 followup patches have some PRs

eric probably was like "well shit I'm working on TF2 right now anyway might as well"

[tacit flare]

Valve on their way to rapidfire merge PRs which then lets in a massive exploit that causes a bunch of drama.

I wonder what the Wutville equvilent PR would be.

[summer steeple]

and I mean aside from the point_camera fix the 2 merged PRs are 1-2 months old so they probably were just being tested/reviewed for longer

anyways I'm just bitter that my 7 shitty PRs haven't been merged

one of them is even a one-liner!

[radiant merlin]

X2

[summer steeple]

well actually, thinking about it a bit more, I wouldn't be surprised if they have several MVM PRs on staging for the MVM update

if they don't I'll cry

[tacit flare]

The MvM update is just a few new maps with no new loot and no changes to any systems.

[summer steeple]

I'd actually be so disappointed

like we know they have unused botkillers

they've been sitting in the files for like a decade

like surely....

like look at how cool this looks

mirror is kinda eh tho

[tacit flare]

Like how with Powerhouse the dev completed it to 98% then abandoned it for eight years only to wake up one day and go "Yeah, I'm going to finish that map."

[summer steeple]

surely they will have something that is either finished or could be easily finished up for use

[tacit flare]

Valve tier procrastination

[summer steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[radiant merlin]

Yeah mirror is mid

Uranium is cool

[glass musk]

surely they plan on adding this

[burnt dragon]

oh wow I always wanted to see this music without the badly filtered voice of him

[radiant merlin]

is this normal in linux? i thought valve fixed it already

[eternal haven]

linux is beyond fixing bro

[glass musk]

https://tenor.com/view/these-things-they-take-time-gif-14300248

https://store.steampowered.com/steamos desktop release soon with Nvidia support

[left sand]

@copper berry https://staging.mastercomfig-site.pages.dev/tc2/feed/

[summer steeple]

this was a fucking nightmare to test

but uh, seems like it works, so item name/description using steam filtering, coming to a github near you soon™

hopefully I can find a better way to test this since thats my flamethrower and i had to hardcode my friend's steamID to get it to get censored :/

also no, my flamethrower has no profanity in the name, I just added the word "fire" to my steam filtered words for testing

[paper sluice]

cool fucking gun

[next nymph]

cool hell gun

[oblique tangle]

not sure why you would name your flamethrower "cool **** gun"

[next nymph]

its descriptive

[summer steeple]

cool fuck gun

anyway I did this cause I'm sick of seeing the n-word in item names

idk why valve didn't add this tbh, the enum for the text filtering type I used says "player or item names"

so clearly it is intended for games with renamable items

maybe it is used for that in CS or dota idk

do those games even have renamable items?

[kind falcon]

yea

both

[cursive peak]

What would be neat is a script that trawls through items and auto-reports all the ones with slurs. I've seen plenty of such reports getting acted on.

[kind falcon]

acted on as in item names removed

[summer steeple]

last time I checked an objector decal I reported it had gone several weeks without being removed so I gave up checking

[cursive peak]

Names/descriptions at least get removed.

[radiant merlin]

it will kill the economy!!!1!!

[haughty musk]

https://youtu.be/bngbpZEy8Pk?si=yMJzQ_4O10hwjRsw

Mashter chief in da soder activities

[magic bridge]

Not sure if I should ask it here, but does anyone know why "maximum draw distance" property doesn't work for children particles and instead uses parent's value?

[left sand]

probably because it doesn't recursively calculate it

[magic bridge]

So that means there is no workaround?

[tough locust]

are these playercounts a bug or the new slop method of making the server browser worse

[kind falcon]

bug with the sdr

[orchid sorrel]

https://youtu.be/Zdv5MfkgEYY

[stone linden]

what’s the math for flashing ubers? i haven’t seen an authoritative source with proof

how many seconds do you lose with one flash

etc

i suppose i could test it myself sometime but im lazy

my guess would be -1 second for each flash due to the overlapping flickering period, but i have no idea if it actually works this way

oh nvm found this thread https://www.teamfortress.tv/63072/how-do-uber-flashes-actually-work

so a currently non-beamed/flickering player draws half the normal uber usage rate, i.e. 6.25%/second. so one target switch or beam disconnection is going to cost 6.25% or 0.5s

and continuously switching beam between N players will mean that the uber lasts 8/(1 + 0.5(n-1)) = 16(1+n) seconds. and i suppose the last flickering second comes for free or something on the final target and the medic

so TIL that just disconnecting your uber and running away will cost 0.5s of self uber (but if you reconnect within the flickering period, it will stop the accelerated drain)

according to this logic, flashing another player in the last few ticks before your uber goes to 0% should give free extra flicker duration

[oblique tangle]

@left sand have you removed the uber flash penalty in tf2 og?

[stone linden]

oh huh, TIL that was added april 1 2008

[left sand]

no

[tough locust]

today's tf2 update is crashing the game like every five minutes

ope another update 900kb

[summer steeple]

damn lmao thats a pretty bad bug

Wonder how that one happened

the patch notes for the previous update don't list any code changes, just map and asset changes

[left sand]

how did that happen

vphysics was updated??

[coarse spruce]

yes

+50kb even

[left sand]

did valve work with map authors?

maybe they made a code patch for a map fix, and they tested it in solo

[summer steeple]

probably, the citadel patch notes did say that they improved collisions on the cart

[coarse spruce]

yeah

[summer steeple]

welcome back expf@GLIBC_2.27, gone for 10 minutes

[coarse spruce]

interesting, some stuff got nuked

could be that they inadvertently also merged in a slightly newer vphysics version

[summer steeple]

it looks like they just reverted the vphysics changes for now

NOOOOOOO

WHAT WILL WE DO WITHOUT UI_SCALING_TEST

(it was the same branch as live tf2)

[glass musk]

yeah, the game has officially died

[summer steeple]

I wonder what changed in bsppack, vguimatsurface & studiorender

[coarse spruce]

cba to decompile, but could just be something silly like the build not being fully deterministic

[summer steeple]

true

[coarse spruce]

i can not imagine valve properly rolling reproducible builds tbh

[summer steeple]

bsppack_strings hasn't had an update since february, when the symbols also got updated so its probably like a teeny tiny little thing

[coarse spruce]

cba to depotdownloader else would run both through ghidra and diff the export lol

not today though, already spent >6h in binja, enough RE for one day

[summer steeple]

understandable

[radiant merlin]

spy's revolver sound is a shotgun one lol https://soundeffects.fandom.com/wiki/Sound_Ideas,_EXTERIOR_SHOTS,_SHOTGUN_-_12_GAUGE_MOSSBERG_SHOTGUN_-_SET_C_KABOOM_WITH_TRAIL_01

[green tulip]

this might have happened because of GMod. for the last few months a few people including the last dev of GMod have been trying to contact Valve with things related to VPhysics

wouldn't be the first time GMod has lead to things getting changed in base Source

[radiant merlin]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/613866 i had the same idea a few years ago

i just didn't know how to do it

[kind falcon]

could make it funkier with func_monitor

ig vscript is necessary to make it as good as this

[paper sluice]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3555120/PreFortress_2/

Steam

Pre-Fortress 2

Pre-Fortress 2 is a mod for Team Fortress 2 that brings back elements of previous Team Fortress installments in a fast-paced environment that is perfect for casual or competitive play. Capture flags, take names, and blast jump through a world heavily inspired by the art from Team Fortress 2's development.

REVIVED GAMEPLAY
*
…

Release Date

Coming soon

▶ Play video

Hehheh guys you should like totally wishlist this or something haha 😅😄😄😅😅😅😅😄😅

[small siren]

*Hehheh guys you should

like totally wishlist this

or something haha 😅😄😄😅😅😅😅😄😅*

- skyrym

[paper sluice]

Type shit

[oblique tangle]

shit

[paper sluice]

WTF!!

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-yakuza-crying-kiryu-crying-sad-kiryu-gif-11024969271347824421

[tough locust]

This is a cool concept I tried this last year but I was just doing models spawned with specific taunts loaded, only problem is that the eyes on the models are always white. With a bit of tweaking this could be a 10/10 mod. Have it change the FOV to something normal, give it a chunk of a real map to use as a bg, etc

[oblique tangle]

your profile page reports less hours than your library?

[kind falcon]

it shouldnt

[oblique tangle]

and yet it is

hows that work

how that.w ork??

[kind falcon]

restart steam client

[burnt dragon]

the phase of fluid before I fortress all over the desk

[tough locust]

oh boy another mod!!....announcement (i know that porting these to the sdk is a shitton of work plz dont kill me)

[paper sluice]

Don’t worry,,,, sooooon,,,, ™

[left sand]

@crisp cedar

[velvet raft]

is this your mod?

[paper sluice]

Not mine but I help work on it lol

[velvet raft]

congratulations!

[paper sluice]

Thankles

[jagged pawn]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[oblique tangle]

what map is this?

[burnt dragon]

couldbeworseville

[orchid sorrel]

TIL if you quick fix mirror a thermal thruster pyro you also get the stomp attribute

[left sand]

you can get it perma

[high current]

Till death do you part

[tough locust]

Isnt this what the old version of wutville (circa 2011?) looked like before he made the textures horrible for God knows what reason

[burnt dragon]

quick fix movement is so bad

you cant trimp

rocket jumping movement doesn't apply to quick fix medic properly so you sometimes fall short

it do be an annoyance

[orchid sorrel]

QF should have a vacc type toggle for mirroring

[oblique tangle]

is casual MM broken? it's stuck in queue

[wintry marlin]

Casual Matchmaking is OVER

[oblique tangle]

nvm it found one

[tepid halo]

I am not sure what channel would make sense to send this but this sounds like the most appropriate https://mickeon.itch.io/team-fortress-jumper

[burnt dragon]

oh wow someone finally did a free and easy to access team fortress 2 rocket jumper

it doesnt open

[heavy solar]

@burnt dragon has earned the Level 2 role!

[burnt dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/bai-six-god-in-a-horror-game-meme-novel-meme-gif-11394908170245168340

[oblique tangle]

crazy
the FIRST person to reach levle 2

[tepid halo]

Elaborate

[burnt dragon]

its just a gray screen with a chat box

[glass musk]

It's called chrominance overshoot, btw. WOLED panels struggle with it because of the white subpixels, and it's most visible at lower brightness levels. It is not present at 100% brightness @eternal haven

[tough locust]

momentum mod will release in 30 years and you wont be laughing

[small siren]

*momentum mod will

release in 30 years and

you wont be laughing*

- pilso

[paper sluice]

i couldnt believe i hit this lol

[crisp cedar]

https://x.com/wp494news/status/1960341469673246963?t=AB64PonQL11VUwEtmLaO4w&s=19

wickedplayer494 News (@wp494news)

Heads up, TF2 map makers! Valve's fictitious August 27th deadline to submit your Mann vs. Machine maps and missions is fast approaching. Get your submissions in before Valve throws in whatever sort of two-part MvM meal they're cooking into their oven.

X · Aug 26, 2025, 2:00 PM

[tough locust]

those 2 months went by quick

[radiant merlin]

Valve: what do we choose? This 8 years old map that had been tested and played for a very long time?....
Or this one developed in less than a month

[tough locust]

real

[cobalt spruce]

mvm_trailer les goooo

[drowsy marlin]

Real?

[cobalt spruce]

real. (not real)

[high current]

Hopefully their 2 month announcement was less of “make new maps now!”
And more “do your final polishing passes”

[wintry marlin]

Both

[summer steeple]

also theres the likely possibility of maps that never got out on the workshop

[uncut spear]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/616533

holy peak?

[radiant merlin]

graybans drop lol

[drowsy marlin]

How does this work?

[radiant merlin]

Blood magic

[wintry marlin]

wtf

[radiant merlin]

Due to playing sevtech too much i haven't realized i've been playing tf2 for more than a decade already

[tacit flare]

April 2012 was a wild time to join TF2.

[wintry marlin]

I never played tf2

[tacit flare]

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/548638296722058315/FB1E935212ACDF25F5C1103039C5CA4C9A8F5343/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

A highlight of October 2012. Endless infinite flying underwater bumpercars.

[slender nexus]

don't have a photo RN but I joined in February 2012

[summer steeple]

mine is 2014 but I played a bit on someone else's account before that

[summer steeple]

i'm always surprised whenever I see players with primeval warriors

it happens surprisingly often, cool to see people still playing after all these years

[tough locust]

lol we started playing within the same week, pyrovision update + mvm in the same summer was awesome, didn't even know how good we had it at the time that was arguably the best summer for tf2 ever

[tough locust]

the bumper car update was halloween 2014, i think 2012 was ghost fort and i remember 2013 was helltower with the spells

[high current]

As of this month I’ve been playing TF2 for 13 years. I turn 26 in 2 weeks. Officially more than half my life…

[limpid panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgoKQGSQxf8

mecha is cooking

[tough locust]

say that again

[drowsy marlin]

Spy... You are better than me

[cursive peak]

Gonna have to link the video later, but the DragonCon parade has a dedicated TF2 group this year.

[cursive peak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsuYXmvrug4

Parade starts around 13:30

About 25 minutes is when the TF2 group shows up.

24:54 to be more precise

[tough locust]

https://gamebanana.com/tools/20627 i fw this

[crisp cedar]

didnt this guy quit doing sfms like 4 times

funny seeing him back

[languid citrus]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3559323019
fun game from earlier today

[burnt dragon]

please no.

[burnt dragon]

a good mvm tour is the most fun you can have from TF2

[small siren]

*a good mvm

tour is the most fun you can

have from TF2*

- polarite

[oblique tangle]

trade_minecraftworld

[cursive peak]

And that one got an award.

[sour oxide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHDEiO1dXwQ

TF3 confirmed omg

/j

[oblique tangle]

GOD confirms TEAM FORTRESS 3 is COMING TOMORROW

[drowsy marlin]

no way! this decal system stuff is PROOF

[wintry marlin]

Hopium

[tough locust]

because valve has never cancelled any projects ever

[wintry marlin]

It's likely some intern's work who's gonna get assassinated by higher ups for giving tf2 players gas

[high current]

He’s gonna be a test subject in aperture labs

[oblique tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-mcvicker-tyler-mcvicker-tf2-tf2-meme-gif-9028069242223724405

[tacit flare]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-mcvicker-tf2-team-fortress2-tf2bots-bots-gif-19323533

At this point, he's damned no matter what, so best make the most out of it.

[small siren]

*At this point, he's damned

no matter what, so best make

the most out of it.*

- agent.artemis

[tacit flare]

I do feel bad for him though, as I do see how much he's improved, especially in trying to explain and stop misinformation.

[wintry marlin]

He can paraphrase gabe follower word for word and people will still hesitate to listen lol, he's a dead messenger

[jagged pawn]

yeah it doesn't help when he gets screwed by clickbait headlines quoting him

[small siren]

*yeah it doesn't help

when he gets screwed by clickbait

headlines quoting him*

- Grapevime

[jagged pawn]

but also he played fast and loose with it for years so it's also partially his fault ofc

[summer steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/what-does-this-mean-for-tf2-tf2-what-does-this-mean-team-fortress-2-team-fortress-gif-10286812706836883739

[burnt dragon]

tyler mcvicker releasing his new clickbait right after his last clickbait (HALF LIFE 3 LAST PHASE TESTS ARE BEING DONE) gets forgotten

[cursive peak]

We all should have been done with McVicker way back when he was doing constant "End of the Line" is dropping next week videos.

[burnt dragon]

no but this time half life 3 will actually get released

I was making fun of people who were ACTUALLY believing him

projects are named because they have similar topics about the games they are named after

a new tech they are working on has a similarity to tf2? name it project tf

[wintry marlin]

Red herring

[burnt dragon]

interesting how video is barely long enough to get monetized

[wintry marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/ren-höek-angry-spoon-ren-and-stimpy-ren-y-stimpy-gif-11530024606333186028

[burnt dragon]

so interesting...

rather watch paint dry

[wintry marlin]

Nah YOU GOTTA BELIEVE

He's an INSIDER YKNO

[burnt dragon]

I rather insert juices in my brain to see delusions about when tf3 will release

even then, I will pass.

[high current]

I don’t think 10 minutes is the minimum to be monetized. I think it’s the minimum to have mid-roll ads which pay more iirc.

[wintry marlin]

It's 8 minutes now actually

[burnt dragon]

also the mvm maps he talked about

... I havent heard nearly any of them

did he accidentally list the newest ones instead of most liked ones

[crisp cedar]

there is no santa claus there is no tooth fairy and there is no true thing that tyler has ever said

[uncut spear]

he mentioned project citadel and that was real :)

[tough locust]

he's the Nostradamus of predictions make 70000000 guesses eventually one will be right

[jagged pawn]

also it's 8 minutes now

oh this was said mb

[stone linden]

oh lol the intern idea does make some sense. "hey go import some assets into source 2 so you can learn how to do it without breaking anything"

[jagged pawn]

lmao

[tepid halo]

I have fixed this since then. The exported build was screwed for no reason

[small siren]

*I have fixed this since

then. The exported build was

screwed for no reason*

- mickeon

[burnt dragon]

makes sense tbh

valve is a small indie team

new update release must be played properly or their company might get shut down

[drowsy marlin]

With these extra three weeks, they will ensure the release isn't buggy, much like how previous updates were.

Valve is learning

[radiant merlin]

Yeah................

[left sand]

why would you post misinformation

[summer steeple]

also i don’t think they ever announced a release date

i commend the effort for the bait though

[uncut spear]

(is the symbol in the image not obvious 😭)

[wintry marlin]

Silksong???

[burnt dragon]

yep

[burnt dragon]

several people fell for it tho

[burnt dragon]

its an obvious joooke, theres a badly photoshopped silksong picture on there

[burnt dragon]

HUH WHOS THERE?? oh hes dead ok phew lets keep going

[wintry marlin]

This game is haunted

[summer steeple]

i'm not sure i'll ever understand why this happens

like I know its based on the angle to the path its supposed to be going to

but idk why

maybe its a weird consequence of straddling like the exact point where it swaps to another path entity so its trying to rotate to face a path thats behind it

[wintry marlin]

Rounding errors imo

[green tulip]

probably doesn't help that TF2 now uses floats for physics instead of doubles

[heavy solar]

@green tulip has leveled up! (12 ➜ 13)

[tepid halo]

What do you mean "now"

[left sand]

most physics engines use floats

[green tulip]

as of the 64-bit update for TF2 it was moved to a post L4D1 version of VPhysics and the thing about L4D1 and everything after it (such as ASW, L4D2, Portal 2, and CS:GO) is that VPhysics/IVP is compiled with floats instead of doubles which TF2 ended up inheriting

[tepid halo]

Yeah but are you absolutely sure that wasn't the case before then

A grand majority of things happening TF2 do not need the level of accuracy that doubles offer

So it'd be very weird and inefficient if original TF2, even back in 2007 or some time after, started using doubles for physics

They may have been using doubles for calculations and then storing the results as floats, since always.

[left sand]

what do you mean "compiled with"

[green tulip]

as in at compile time for the binaries (vphysics.dll) some of types used internally for calculations are now done with a lower precision type of number

[left sand]

because i dont see anything to support this claim

i dont see that being the case

floats have always been used

[green tulip]

well that's probably because it went under the radar and wasn't documented anywhere. and to be fair I haven't explicitly tested/confirmed with old 2013MP but this information holds true for 2013SP and older at the very least.

[left sand]

i mean, its not one or the other at least

[green tulip]

you mean as in all the numbers internally? yeah I don't think doubles are used for literally everything in old VPhysics

[left sand]

so i guess you mean specifically some stuff was double and compiled with float instead

because yeah, it isnt using double for everything anyway

[green tulip]

yea

[left sand]

it's specifically IVP_NO_DOUBLE

[green tulip]

yep !

[left sand]

which actually doesnt eliminate double usage from the code

nor does having it off only use doubles

so its pretty cool that its named that

well glad i understand that better now

[left sand]

i was just confused i guess from the generalization here

because it was like, well, it has always used floats, and it still uses doubles

its just specifically, that flag is set

[green tulip]

yeah I probably should of been more clear in that regard because it does kinda sound like I'm saying it's some all encompassing change that affects every single usage internally

anyway here's a video that shows off the difference in a few extreme cases (ignore the title saying "x64" since it has nothing to do with 64-bitness): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAREV1rzyXA

[tepid halo]

It's fascinating that out of most Source games Team Fortress 2 needs the physics aspect of it the least. So the physics being somewhat more precise barely played a role

This is unfortunate. It makes the engine look like less state-of-the-art at the time

[velvet raft]

how useful is to use doubles instead of floats? ive been using them a lot but idk if it affects the run time

[left sand]

it isnt a big deal anymore

but technically it can be two times slower

in the worst case for double and best case for floats

the good thing about it is that theyre more precise and this precision is especially really nice for large coordinate systems

but anyone making a real physics sim is almost always gonna make their own fixed point system

[velvet raft]

i see

[tepid halo]

To be honest most games do not need doubles for most aspects

[velvet raft]

but ig i still need to worry about efficiency, right? things like this tend to accumulate

[tepid halo]

Whatever is the goal, doubles will take up... double as much space as a standard float

Which means they fill up the CPU cache more, which means increased likelyhood of missing cache, which means CPU go no vroom vroom

Eeeeh, it is true that we have more memory than we know what to do with. But, again, most games do not need doubles

[velvet raft]

so, this basically means that a memory leak or a crash will be more likely when using a lot of doubles?

[tepid halo]

Not a memory leak, but a crash because of being out of memory, yeah...
But like, talking about "crashes" here is really pushing it. You underestimate how much memory modern computers have.

It is nice thinking about the right data type for any given situation but for anyone thinking about, say, just developing a videogame for fun, they shouldn't even worry about this

Unless you absolutely need to. You would, for example, avoid using doubles when storing the position of 4,000,000 separate entities. I don't think most reading this chat would even attempt such a thing.

[velvet raft]

yeah, i get it. i ask because my professor will fail my assignment or exam if i don't use the correct data type (i think) but ig it doesn't matter that much in the real world

thanks for your input

[fickle dragon]

Anyone else spotted this issue that causes the screen to slightly spike in brightness every time a player leaves the server?

[left sand]

probably happens only on some maps

[fickle dragon]

Possible, can't say I kept track. It doesn't really bother me, but I am curious

especially since I struggled to find anything about this online from a quick search

[oblique tangle]

im so tired of playing casual

everytime a just 1 round is completed people on both teams start leaving and only 4-5 are left

so the server re-populates every single round

[proper tangle]

kinda wish they did it so that if you vote for the same current map the match would restar immediatly

[stone linden]

yeah i almost always leave and requeue because it’s much faster on average

nobody likes downtime. the whole round end and map vote system is not fun

[stone linden]

are ticks 15ms long exactly?

[left sand]

https://bsky.app/profile/mcoms.dev/post/3ly7l5ylk4s2n

mastercoms (@mcoms.dev)

The thing I don't understand about TF2 Emporium hate is that it's literally just a community for workshoppers. Of course most workshoppers are gonna be on there. It's like complaining that a lot of scientific articles are submitted to Nature!

Bluesky · Sep 7, 2025, 1:49 AM

[paper sluice]

thats what i was thinking lmao

its not some crazy tf2 workshop mafia like 😭

no one is plotting to ruin the games artstyle with uh oh GOOFY COSMETICS 👻👻👻👻

[burnt dragon]

tfw zestycuck wanted to find a scapegoat

[stone linden]

what’s the lore for hating on a group of random workshoppers

because workshop items are bad?

people are free to make good and bad submissions as they please

[wintry marlin]

Last time I checked the citrus community are mad about themed cosmetics and updates.

And there is a conspiracy that those updates are given way more attention on the workshop because it is a group project made by already well known selfmade workshoppers.

Rather than unthemed cosmetics being given a fair chance.

You gotta be aware that there's career workshoppers and they tend to run with ideas regardless of how out of season it is.

Good artists, boring hats. That's what they're getting at.

Idk whatelse is there to complain about

[stone linden]

oh ok some people allege that a couple of the emporium core submitters have harassed, doxxed, and/or bot farm downvoted workshop contributions from people not within their friend group

no idea what evidence exists for these allegations

the complaints i heard are about the sort of core friend group of the emporium, not the community or discord server at large

this could all be misinfo lol i have no idea if any of this is substantiated

if these wild accusations are somehow true, it would be more like if Nature editing committee blackmailed and harassed other journal committees to not publish papers disagreeing with Nature papers, or something like that

[jagged pawn]

the answer is zero lol, it's all fabricated

I have my issues with some of the artist communities (tf2maps often doesn't even announce its themed events until it's too late for anyone to feasibly make something for them, so it becomes an ingroup thing where you can only participate if they tell you about it before it's public), but the idea that they're malicious exists solely in the minds of weird nerds

[wintry marlin]

Themed updates probably should be kept small rather than a community wide project.

Trend hoppers sour the pot and there's implicit assumption that contributors are working together.

If you have a theme idea, you should probably make it in your circle.

[stone linden]

lol ok good to know. yeah the claims didn’t seem reputable

[jagged pawn]

I just think it should be one or the other. if you're gonna do a themed project with your friends, make it that. if you're gonna do a big community event, make it that. but branding it as a community event when it isn't is very frustrating for creators who feel baited

[wintry marlin]

Yea I understand

[stone linden]

oh no most of the tempus community high scorers are on jump academy discord!!1!1 how evil

jump academy monopoly on t6 jumpers

[uncut spear]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/s/e9kTDdYJxF

[burnt dragon]

cauldron is straight an upgrade

[wintry marlin]

Engineer is now an evil witch

Making soup

[burnt dragon]

you know what? PDA for medic.

replaces medigun

[wintry marlin]

https://youtu.be/DFHDyySOA4g

Lmao

[summer steeple]

i ain't watching this what do they say

[wintry marlin]

They pulled up a spreadsheet of all workshop submissions and noted how many of their makers were in emporium discord

A critical flaw in their methodology is assuming that everyone who is in the server is a furry drone hivemind

[summer steeple]

1 of many critical flaws

not to be confused with criticalflaw, who i would not be surprised if they are also in the emporium discord

imo this theory (tends to, haven't watched the video) also ignores a pretty critical factor: Valve

[wintry marlin]

They also pulled up spreadsheets of all added items and came up with this number: 80% of all added items were made "by emporium"

[summer steeple]

like Valve picks everything

they have picked some absolutely batshit things

[wintry marlin]

Possibly because majority of workshoppers are in the discord

[summer steeple]

also like

as it turns out, the most experienced and skilled content creators for TF2... are probably going to be pretty big in the community!

[wintry marlin]

1% of community... might be that workshoppers are that 1%

[summer steeple]

with formed connections to other content creators

[wintry marlin]

Yea

[summer steeple]

making it easier to get on the same page and collaborate

also who knows how active people are in the emporium discord

isn't it also just like... generally a place people suggest to go to for help with issues

tbh if 50% of tf2's workshop stuff was made by people who are complete amateurs that have done literally nothing else in the tf2 community I think I'd be more suspicious

[wintry marlin]

The video is funny because it's bad

Uwu big scawy discord server is making all the hats trans

[summer steeple]

fr

i don't know if anyone who actually believes this garbage makes things for tf2

maybe a few people that have gotten banned from the discord for being an asshole

[wintry marlin]

Monkey

Made a warpaint collection but that's it afaik

[kind falcon]

"controls the updates"

[burnt dragon]

his channel name is literally called moronic roc

why expect any senseful content

[wintry marlin]

Evidently

But lemon people are taking him seriously

[left sand]

don't make fun of him for that

[mystic anchor]

nice flare gun

[uncut spear]

fucking nice

also that HUD looks cool

[mystic anchor]

cutehud !

[uncut spear]

awesome :3

I noticed the health had a nice gradient to it so good to know

[small siren]

*I noticed the health

had a nice gradient to

it so good to know*

- aless109

[broken haven]

i miss when i used to be a megadork for tf2 tbh

[slender nexus]

i miss my TF2 phase from 2012-14 and 2016-17

I don't really have the time or incentive to play these days

[broken haven]

i really really hate my old handle but

i dunno what will like even get me back into tf2

i kinda just dont remember anyone at all from when i played? like strange as is

[cursive peak]

You earned more in TF2 than I ever did.

[broken haven]

tbf i roster rode for other seasons and i didnt make any legitimate earnings

this was my earnings team

[cursive peak]

See, I only played a little RGL, and UGC didn't pay anything, and then I was paying for server hosting the entire time.

It was nice having 3 TF2 servers and 2 mumbles at my disposal.

[broken haven]

i think i made 35 dollars?

i got 10 extra bc our demo didnt have paypal

8 weeks for 35 dollars 🥀

[cursive peak]

Even Minion made more than I did.

[broken haven]

fucking minion

do you remember a guy named scratchhh?

[cursive peak]

He's trash.

[broken haven]

they reformed

theyre nb now

they play pro ow now

[cursive peak]

Nah, fuck 'em. Part of a group that harassed/stalked me probably even still now.

[broken haven]

oh yea

idk if you remember someone by akemi? or something like that

they would send me dead horses in my dms

[cursive peak]

Don't think so.

[broken haven]

im p sure they were apart of scratchhes lil group

dude i think he would constantly like harass me and try to tilt me in scrims?

[broken haven]

oh they still play to this day wtf

[cursive peak]

It was reika's group.

[left sand]

we got a high res tf2 icon now

[radiant merlin]

yeah

[left sand]

yipee

[radiant merlin]

wait what

[left sand]

https://steamdb.info/app/440/history/?changeid=31043975

[wintry marlin]

Check #dev-log📻

[left sand]

also no longer using the old TF logo for mini library icon

[radiant merlin]

there's a new blog post too

[left sand]

yes

a tweet

should have been a tweet

[radiant merlin]

forgot the password once again

i think they said it as a joke but they still see tiktok as too new for them?

[wintry marlin]

What a goober

[drowsy marlin]

ya know, I wish TF2 had a slow but powerful shotgun

the panic attack kinda fills that niche, but I hate how it's only really effective at short range

I guess I just want the peacekeeper from Apex Legends, but in TF2

[crisp cedar]

like... some sort of super shotgun?

[wintry marlin]

Force a nature?

[stone linden]

double barreled shotgun

[radiant merlin]

the old logo was beta?

[half rose]

https://fxtwitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1965598693425627547

SadlyItsDadley (@SadlyItsBradley)

Continuing my last tweet on Steam Client setting up the functionality on the Steam Frame VR UI:
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︀︀Valve has recently upped the App Icon minimum requirements from 32 x 32 to 256 x 256
︀︀
︀︀And the SteamVR Beta hints that the Frame UI, more specifically the “task bar” uses this icon res

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FxTwitter · Sep 10, 2025, 2:10 AM

[floral sandal]

Holy shiz, tf2VR confirmed

Oculus rift support returning

[burnt dragon]

I likhe how thats how it is as a shotgun

[uncut spear]

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=252400

[radiant merlin]

could there be a way for spy to not be hard countered by fire?

[burnt dragon]

could there be a way for scout to not die by damage?

[kind falcon]

cicle

[radiant merlin]

that's just one weapon, i'm talking generally

[left sand]

yeah, just make cloak fire resistant

wouldnt be good for the game but

[kind falcon]

add an option to roll in the snow to extinguish the fire

[stone linden]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hCUh5cRCyK8

[tacit flare]

Could there be a way for Spy not to he screwed over by everything? You mean.

When in doubt, buff sniper.

[orchid sorrel]

They did make cloak resist all dmg by 20% and debuffs are cut shorter

Not amazing but they kinda had a similar idea

[drowsy marlin]

I tried playing TF2 today. I played two pub games and both of them had a player using Spy with Dead Ringer + Kunai

disgusting behavior. Had to turn off the game

[uncut spear]

you're def in someone's montage now

[drowsy marlin]

I am okay with that

[radiant merlin]

these bodies won't let me fucking see

also my main menu is bugged for some reason?

[wintry marlin]

https://youtu.be/7F5jRMRp06g

These people are so brainrot

[burnt dragon]

shares brain rot youtubers
is brainrot

???

[wintry marlin]

It's like every week a new torture method comes out

I'm not making a statement there it's just that they're funny

[burnt dragon]

theres a reason I know they are brainrot too lol, better than meatloaf videos imo

actual content goes hard

[wintry marlin]

https://youtu.be/CCmCtrwuZfs

New lore drop

Also ken ashcorp

[uncut spear]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3567176104