Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[eternal haven]

Yeah?

If you want the old font, you don't want isproportional only

Or so it seems anyway, again I didn't really test it with or without or anything

[rare creek]

oh right that's true I'm dumb

[eternal haven]

I mean I kinda phrased that in a stupid way

with the "don't"

[rare creek]

but the post states that the typeface also changed so you need more than that

[eternal haven]

Idk if the typeface did change though

I looked at the new and the old and they both say verdana

maybe there's other files that matter in addition to chatscheme?

[glass musk]

what’s the best fps cap for tf2 if I don’t want to mess with rivatuner? can I just set it to 1000, or is something like 600 a better cap? or does it not matter?

[eternal haven]

You could use the nvidia fps limit feature

in the manage 3d settings for tf2

if you don't want to mess with rtss

[glass musk]

I thought mastercoms didn't recommend that in the docs

[eternal haven]

Idk why she would not recommend it

it seems better than fps_max

but as for the number to cap to personally I would do something like 960 or lower

rather than 1000

[rare creek]

nope perfectly fine

[eternal haven]

just in case you end up hitting the 1000 fps issue if you're too close to it

600 is good

900 is good

[glass musk]

maybe I'm just misremembering or only old docs used to have that

[eternal haven]

anything you want really but I would go a bit under 1000

[glass musk]

I'll just do 900

realistically I'm never going past that

[high current]

Depending on what your system bottleneck is, capping your fps at something you can stay pinned at can be advantageous.
I forget the exact reasoning, but if you max out your GPU usage for example you can get substantially worse latency than if you were capped at a lower fps with some GPU overhead. Which is the tech behind nvidia’s reflex low-latency mode. It’s essentially just a dynamic fps cap to maintain a bit of GPU overhead.

Also pc components love having overhead. They run cooler and last longer

[eternal haven]

headroom

[high current]

Yeh that’s the right word. Gotta give your head plenty of space

[rare creek]

absolutely nothing about tf2 has changed because of the sdk being released 😌

tf2 classic and open fortress didnt even get ported

[small siren]

*tf2 classic

and open fortress didnt

even get ported*

- totallynotniteruxiswear

[tacit flare]

Is this bait?

[potent wolf]

bait used to be believable

[burnt dragon]

your face when projects that big take time for people that get paid 0.35Cents(Taxes Not Included) yearly

[wild grove]

Yeah money is unsurprisingly a big motivator to do things.

No money, you do it out of passion and your free time but it will take years to be completed if ever.

[wintry marlin]

Boot up tf2, get a description tag, pick a medigun of your choice, type "inflates you big and round", confirm, log off

[wild grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mickey-mickey-mouse-absolute-cinema-meme-disney-gif-9794395175278437605

[mystic anchor]

diidnt respect the sightlines

[orchid sorrel]

what da hell

2hu death sound

[radiant merlin]

i think i've managed to force tf2's steam input options in source 2013 sdk lol

ahahaha

nice

alright so this works for the sdk mods, what you have to do is to create this type of file with steam input by locally exporting a template

in the file, change the url to go to that file, and override everything after "timestamp" with your template from tf2

i gotta share this in the github

[opal bolt]

what's going on with comfig 10 its been a year 😦

[patent folio]

wondering how to increase 1% lows for tf2

[rare creek]

get a better computer

[heavy solar]

@rare creek has leveled up! (68 ➜ 69)

[patent folio]

i mean tf2 runs at 800-900 fps usually

it just dips down to 200-400 for the lows

[eternal haven]

Sounds pretty normal for tf2 not really too much you can do about it

use the lowest graphics settings you care to, make sure no background stuff is impacting tf2, make sure your cpu and memory are running as good as they can, etc

but in tf2 you'll get the occasional frame that takes like 1.5x longer than others on any computer, it's just normal

[radiant merlin]

@next nymph do you know why using CSCHintIcon messes with positions?

if i use controlname "label" it works normally

[rare creek]

because steam controller fucking sucks

[radiant merlin]

probably because of this

[half rose]

https://youtu.be/bm8hx0dlZz0

[limpid panther]

You are actually running at that high of FPS? Do you not notice the ocasional hitch caused by prediction errors?

[radiant merlin]

i've discovered that you can essentially add any command to steam input as long as the game recognizes it

for example here for "Menu Controls" the last 2 are not available by default, but by changing the layout files you can add them

[radiant merlin]

why does tf2 still have separated vpks?

can't valve just merge all of them?

[oblique tangle]

that's how vpks work no?

separated into smaller files so they can be accessed more easily

at least that's how it was in the dota folder last time i checked

[drowsy marlin]

So vpk make it so TF2 doesn't need the OS to make calls to access files?

I am no programmer idk

[rare creek]

only signed vpks are split so I assume it has to do something with that

[radiant merlin]

no i mean just having one pak vpk like csgo

[rare creek]

oh

[rare creek]

because it would break garry's mod

[eternal haven]

I like that they're separated like the actual folders are

it just makes sense

[next nymph]

you can split unsigned vpk's

[high current]

Don’t most the vpks just serve a look-up role for the main vpk? I could be mistaken, it’s been like 2 years since I deep dived into them

[left sand]

it's the reverse

the dir vpk looks up stuff

but theres no main vpk which is looking up anything

all those vpks are mounted individually in gameinfo.txt

[tacit flare]

I don't know if it's placebo, but so far setting it to 0 has stopped it crashing. Tabbing in and out is a lot more responsive. Thank you.

[mental scaffold]

Why was preloading removed?

[left sand]

two reasons

mods nowadays usually have all sorts of preloading options that are gonna be faster paced to what mastercomfig could/should provide

and two, preloading exploits can now enable blatant cheating

[mental scaffold]

I see

But I mostly liked how preloading would remove some stutters i'd have the first minutes of me loading into a game but I'm not sure if it'll still be present nowadays

[left sand]

it shouldn't be present nowadays, also technically theres still the dustbowl background which would be better at that anyway

just the itemtest and preload_room map backgrounds which exit immediately after loading are gone

[mental scaffold]

I used that one preload room you'd need to download, From all the preload rooms I thought it was the best one

[high current]

I mean you could add it to your autoexec. IIRC correctly its something like:
map preload_room; wait 35; disconnect

[radiant merlin]

discussin' time: do you think weapons should have a crit multiplier attribute instead of just a fixed x3? For example, if the rocket launcher had to be nerfed, valve changes its crit multiplier from x3 to x2

[eternal haven]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-rawr-x3-rawr-x3-zyzz-rawr-x3-gif-23904911

[balmy bronze]

Only relevant for three cases: Sniper, kritz medic and random crits ||🤢 ||

I cant think of any case where this attribute could be used in a cool way

I guess you could make a unique weapon for sniper that revolves around non 3x crits

but thats about it

[kind falcon]

thems the game balance

[tacit flare]

First remove random crit, then we can talk further specifics of balance.

[next nymph]

compromise: every attack is a crit

[tacit flare]

When every attack is a crit.. none of them will be. I accept this compromise.

[drowsy marlin]

Removing random crits but only the holiday punch can random crit

[tacit flare]

Also acceptable.

[mystic anchor]

Third degree should random crit

[drowsy marlin]

It should crit if the target has more than one medic healing them

[high current]

Nah. I think crits on their own are balanced. Random crits are a shit mechanic but kritz for x3 damage is fine.

[left sand]

i think if each weapon had a special way to get its "crit" it could be fun

like airshots for explosives

headshots for bullets

but for pistols, smgs, miniguns, should be 1.2x

shotguns 1.7x to 2x

dragons fury already has a crit basically

same for backburner

sniper rifle / bow

knife

phlog

flare gun, scorch shot

so the question remains for:

• flamethrowers
• melee
• throwables
• pomson
• crossbow

[summer steeple]

my gut reaction was to say no but that really is kind of just a natural progression of how a lot of the unlockable weapons work

[left sand]

flamethrower could maybe have a heat mechanic that doesnt just reduce damage but boosts it further

melee could have a backstab like a humiliation in cod, but doesnt like 1.5x

or it could be consecutive hits

throwables maybe just make it a moonshot

pomson idk just make the weapon do no crits ever lol fuck it

[summer steeple]

buff the pomson to always do crits

[left sand]

crossbow and syringes, idk

[summer steeple]

crossbow i think could be distance based, doesn’t the damage and healing already scale with that?

or am i totally misremembering

[left sand]

yeah that could just be its "crit"

[summer steeple]

syringes maybe could just be like if you hit someone with a bunch in a short period of time it starts to crit

i guess that’s sort of like the heat mechanic

[left sand]

syringes could deal poison

so an intensifying dot

which upon reaching a threshold, does bonus damage and resets

[wintry marlin]

Overdose buff

[summer steeple]

honestly im not sure if this is a tf2 i would want to play, at least not all the time, but it does seem like it would be fun

i kind of like how simple some things are, like not everything needs to have a deep mechanic associated with it

also i like that it’s a game where i don’t need to aim for heads all the time

[wintry marlin]

dot status effects will reduce ttk

You would need to add armor and buffs to countermeasure all this

[summer steeple]

turn tf2 into deadlock

[crisp cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/deadlock-abrams-gif-938393633849917502

[summer steeple]

i think personally tf2 stands out to me because things are consistent and not really overengineered

[wintry marlin]

Simple is good.

[summer steeple]

i feel like every shooter game now feels like everything has to be deep, although granted i don’t really play very many

[left sand]

thats a fair point

[summer steeple]

most recent one i’ve played is marvel rivals and holy shit they just love changing things constantly there is no consistency

[left sand]

that could be an interesting design goal

[wintry marlin]

Modern fps gamifies the entire esoteric knowledge part. The games are still simple it's just the presentation is different

[left sand]

fuck now i wanna make a mod that restores 2007 tf2

[summer steeple]

melee damage varies between characters with seemingly complete random reasoning

[left sand]

with nothing else

well, still include the like

nice changes

but nothing that impacts the flow

[wintry marlin]

Devs are adjusting all of the esoteric jank because they know too much and are not afraid to break things

[crisp cedar]

doesnt that exist

[wintry marlin]

Today in a modern game it is almost essential knowledge that could have been given in a more diegetic manner but it is what it is

[crisp cedar]

team fortress 2 vintage or whatever the fuck

whatever mental illness of a tf2 mod it was

[left sand]

link?

https://www.moddb.com/mods/team-fortress-2-vintage

i only see this

and tbh i dont think its the same goals

[wintry marlin]

How long until TF2 Genuine

[crisp cedar]

hm

tf2 original

[left sand]

tf2 classic

[crisp cedar]

but for real this time

[cursive peak]

TF2k7

[limpid panther]

TF2 Self-Made: only valve content, no community contributions

[wintry marlin]

Sounds strange

[eternal haven]

It sounds very unusual

[crisp cedar]

just call it TFOG

or whatever

OG TF2

team fortress 2.old

[left sand]

TF2 OG

[orchid sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-factory-you-will-never-find-another-store-shelf-a-bunch-of-buzz-lightyears-gif-21719996

TF2 throwback mods

[velvet raft]

Wario

[drowsy marlin]

I want a tf2 mod that's actually good (Team Comtress)

[balmy bronze]

Tf2 Collectors

[wild grove]

TF2 collectors edition (its made by limited run games 💀 )

[burnt dragon]

no.

we all know cs2 does that

we all know it sucks

airshot minicrits would be really fun cause fireworks yay

[wintry marlin]

/s or /srs

[kind falcon]

dh should be demoted to "minicrits on airshot"

thats all the changes that should be made

[wintry marlin]

It already does that

[left sand]

overwatch does that

[burnt dragon]

thats not a better example :s

[crisp cedar]

why

[glass musk]

was finally able to fix my TF2 stutters by dropping down to the lowest settings. for the record, i have an X3D AMD cpu and a 5080. The Finals runs smooth as butter with exactly 0 stutters with ray-tracing maxed out and at 5k res... meanwhile, TF2's unoptimized pos code will always stutter at least once on ultra settings. I guess I'll just have to come to terms with the fact that this game will never run stutterless on the highest settings

[left sand]

i thought your point about cs2 was that it was a cover / twitch shooter because of the headshots, so i pointed out an example of a game with prolonged fights in the open with an arcade style

[glass musk]

@left sand please work on some code that makes TF2 utilize insanely powerful gpus more, so this game can start running like a modern game, and my life will be yours

[uncut spear]

get hired at valve NOW

[burnt dragon]

I always feel like headshots in a game with bullet spread is never good because it makes the gameplay unpredictable

and unfair on many occasions

[left sand]

i did but given how slow patches are accepted, and the lack of engine code in the new SDK, it feels rather unlikely i could do anything productive there

the first iteration of TC2 did this

and i cant even do even some of the more basic optimizations on the SDK version because the engine crashes and i cant fix it

[glass musk]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[left sand]

ill see what TF2C and OF do for their steam release

since they rely on engine modifications, i want to see if they are gonna drop them or if valve will let them use detours or something

[glass musk]

yeah, that makes sense. also interested in seeing that

hopefully it still releases this year https://tf2classic.com/?id=7986

[kind falcon]

Whaaaat

[gritty sky]

Dude you are talking about the game where bullet spread is the most predictable. If you are talking drop in accuracy its due to the fact you are either A.)spraying for a long amount of time B.)are moving. If you are talking bullet spread as in recoil there are literal patterns you can learn and follow lol

[kind falcon]

what gpu r u using

ill help you without code

[potent wolf]

i game with intel hd graphics

[glass musk]

cool pfp

[kind falcon]

thank you bro

i use discord notes on you to store my crypto wallets seed phrase

❤️

[glass musk]

https://tenor.com/view/discordia-discordians-discordian-friends-gif-55086811243762866

[kind falcon]

so the method to using ur gpu more is AMD Virtual Super Resolution (VSR)
or nvidia's Dynamic Super Resolution (DSR)

Thank you no problem bro

[glass musk]

true that, talon. however dsr is buggy in TF2, so I’m afraid that isn't an option

[left sand]

Huh I never knew this

this could be maybe a way to add spheres to everything

like jarate and stuff

[balmy bronze]

I disagree, this would significantly increase skill floor for no real benefit

I never thought that tf2's ttk was too high (with a few exceptions of course)

[left sand]

i think its just an interesting way to replace random crits

[balmy bronze]

imo damage ramp up allready does what you want

[left sand]

eh

[balmy bronze]

wait, sorry, how does this solve rnd crits?

[left sand]

thats more of a risk assessment rather than skill check

[left sand]

just giving players a way to apply a crit in another way

[small siren]

*just giving players

a way to apply a crit

in another way*

- mcoms

[left sand]

but one that requires interactivity and engagement

[balmy bronze]

now I (actually) see

[left sand]

it might be fun to reward players for doing stuff like that

[balmy bronze]

I would argue that risk assesment IS a skill check

[left sand]

in one dimension yes

but it can also be coincidental

w + m1 pyros take a lot of risk out of ignorance for example

of course, their success rate is very low

but still, they can be successful

they just try in every situation instead of only good ones to take that risk

[balmy bronze]

you can also do coincidental headshots and airshots

[balmy bronze]

thats why I call it a skill check

[left sand]

yes thats true, i personally dont like headshots as a mechanic, theyre too easy

[balmy bronze]

on the spot thinking

[left sand]

but there really isnt any other way to do headshots on bullets intuitively

airshots are pretty rare to do accidentally

[left sand]

thats why i suggested changing the crit pct per weapon, so its simply just a very small reward

plus on some weapons it might be an interesting tradeoff for example spread weapons

you have to aim at torso not head

if you aim at head, only maybe 1 or 2 bullets hit

[balmy bronze]

I assure you in my almost 1k hours I have hit more coincidental airshots than actual calculated ones

[left sand]

sure, it definitely depends on a lot of factors

its definitely a different kidn of game IMO

fiend pointed this out

it makes tf2 more complex and as you said, raises the skill floor

[small siren]

*it makes tf2

more complex and as you said,

raises the skill floor*

- mcoms

[balmy bronze]

Yes, it would be an interesting trade off for SOME weapons

not all

[balmy bronze]

The true problem is that this is kind of a mechanic that you have to build the game around, not add it 10 years after launch

[balmy bronze]

I know the argument is over but I still want to point out that balancing this would be hell

There are way too many variables in one equation

This is quite important for me because I feel like people forgot the importance of keeping things simple

and everything is over complicated for no reason now

[small siren]

*and everything

is over complicated

for no reason now*

- sabotat

[left sand]

yup

[balmy bronze]

What makes TF2 TF2 imo is that its such a simple game yet it has a huge skill ceiling

people play for 5k+ hours and still have room to improve

It's this simplicity that makes people use their imagination to fill the blanks

thats why people still play classic Doom to this day

There is complexity in simplicity, if that makes sense to you

[left sand]

yeah for sure, fiend mentioned this

there's obviously different styles

[high current]

I have 5k hours in game and I’m flat out bad

[eternal haven]

Me too

[balmy bronze]

For the sake of not derailing the argument even further I did not mention the relation between play time and actual player skill

We all play the game differently and learn the game at different levels because of it

but this is a discussion and a half on its own

[wintry marlin]

I grinded sniper for a thousand hours and I am too good

Did the same for other classes, became too good, got bored, switched

Medic my main now because he's always hard

[burnt dragon]

tf2 bullet spread isnt predictable

having headshots in a game with unpredictable spread is an extremely bad idea

[gritty sky]

You originally brought up CS2 which does have predictable bullet spread lol

That's why I made the comment my bad

[burnt dragon]

cs2 was brought up for headshots

which compared to tf2 has quite a different gameplay cycle

thats not fitting at all

[wintry marlin]

Games like paladins, ow2, rivals and such handle headshots just fine.

tf2 is a bit too quake coded to handle instakills in a chill manner.

Considering that half the playerbase gets nuked by cracked soldiers and demos in less than a second as is it might be overkill

Sentries melt 5 out of 9 classes too.

The lowest common denominator will get frustrated enough to quit altogether.

Headshots will devalue importance of good positioning.

[radiant merlin]

discussin' time 2: should the flare gun be able to flare jump? since it can already kinda flare jump with a glitch

[wintry marlin]

Seems unnecessary to canonize what is essentially an obscure self damage exploit when the other 2 out of 3 flare guns achieve same result way more consistently

[cursive peak]

What if the Dragon's Fury could jump?

[wintry marlin]

It might invalidate the jetpack.

[cursive peak]

Or what if the Thermal Thruster behaved more like Phara's flight ability?

[wintry marlin]

I can get behind that but they went out of their way to make sure it's not.

Imagine the chaos it would cause with phlog.

It is balanced on soldier but not pyro.

[cursive peak]

When they first announced the DF and Thermal Thruster, I imagined them as a killer combo where Pyro just bombs in and fucking melts Medics akin to a Soldier bomb.

[crisp cedar]

yeah but thats just kinda useless considering pyro is a close range class

youd just be a sitting duck

itd be cool if pyro had a jetpack though

like

you could hold space to hover

and it drains your charges

but also retaining the functionality of the jump ability

[left sand]

what if the thermal thruster emitted fire below it

but idk i think thermal thruster was a bad idea

but its hard

but yeah giving a rocket jump to a class who didnt have it

inherently flawed concept

[high current]

Thermal thruster isn’t worthless. It’s just absurdly niche.
Pretty much the only time it’s good is when your team is so overwhelmingly offensive that it doesn’t matter that you’re basically jumping through the air like Patrick Star in the SpongeBob SquarePants movie.
So basically only 7 man’s in Highlander.

Even in casual where people are 90% clueless. The sound design and visual design of the jetpack just screams “shoot at me” to the point that even TimmyGonzoles2018 will know to shoot the pyro.

But pyro jumping into an already chaotic situation is actually really strong. Flames have a wide effect and go through teammates and enemies. So jetpack pyro can be king of the chaos.

[velvet raft]

bullet spread that you can control?

like, what's the criticism here

[burnt dragon]

you cant control it in tf2, making it similar to cs2 removes the games simplicity

its literally tf2, I like shooting big meaty shoots on rectangular engy body

[high current]

CS technically has bullet spread. Even if you have perfect recoil control there is bullet spread that worsens with shots fired iirc.

Excluding Negev

[wintry marlin]

Shotguns and SMGs most affected.

On pistols it is treated like a fact of life.

[high current]

I thought deagle had the most pronounced bullet spread

Which is heart shattering

[wintry marlin]

It has perfect first shot accuracy but the recovery is bad.

[burnt dragon]

I genuinely dont like bullet spread being a mechanic in games

especially when head shots are a primary damage source

[wintry marlin]

So on a triangle between valorant, tarkov and borderlands where you at

Doom?

It's kind of a necessary evil.

[burnt dragon]

I love doom gun play

borderlands is also great

but its not fitting on multiplayer I feel like

[wintry marlin]

It will make gunplay feel rather tasteless.

I mean, you are free to go and open a unity project and build a character conttoller with a gun with perfect precision and you will feel how it lacks feedback.

Every game starts with a raw base where every shot goes directly into one point.

It's not like developers add it for no reason other than making skill expression invalid, it genuinely makes the shooting feel better.

[glass musk]

removing the line didn't do anything 🥲

oh

I think I figured it out

[languid citrus]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3518255550

[left sand]

okay so

did you all know this graph is wrong

crit chance goes from 2% to 8%

not 2% to 12%

wtf

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2221

oh

dude

its because they didnt update all the usages for the multiplier from 4 to 6...

dude

also this means

the max damage for max crit chance is 533

not 800

[balmy bronze]

Thats not how you use the Thermal Thruster

Thermal Thruster sucks at covering long distances due to ignition mechanics but excels at covering short distances

You use it to jump scare enemies

[wild grove]

use it to escape from enemies when you have the intel because for some reason, the thermal thruster doesn't have the "can't get the pass time jack, and intel" stat.

[burnt dragon]

I feel like tf2 random bullet spread is extremely lame tho

with headshot tech it would be like another random crit story

when I hit a meaty shot I know it will do around 90 damage, and I dodge accordingly, imagine someone using a scattergun and only aiming for head so the random bullet spread god smiles upon them and does 200 damage

[limpid panther]

@radiant merlin easy wiki contrib?

[left sand]

it is already corrected on the wiki

[wintry marlin]

Would you rather have this over random crits

You can't really compare shotguns from this game to cs or val because the damage falloff is there to prevent this

Especially when they're 90% of all hitscan weapons in this game ngl

[burnt dragon]

but according to that you need to change the gunplay of the entire game is set up on

[wintry marlin]

The random crits ignore damage falloff but headshots don't

Ambassador nerf

The code for it is already in place

It's not difficult to implement

There's really nothing random about someone aiming their shotgun at the enemy head when they're close enough to hit all of the pellets on the body

If majority of weapons had headshots enabled they would presumably deal reduced crit damage because falloff scales the base damage

Presumably.

The formula for headshots and crits might be the same and amby is the only exception

Dragon's fury has the inverse.

It deals reduced base damage and does full damage on ignited

[burnt dragon]

thats an interesting take, I would love to see a test server for this tbh

[mystic anchor]

grenade jump !

[wintry marlin]

Actually crits might be affected by falloff, I don't exactly remember, go on tr walkway and use pistol on scout and test different ranges.

Same with shotgun

Pretty sure the lowest damage a pellet can do is 3

A single one

In that case it would only exclude crit rockets and stickies from falloff.

Or just read the wiki I guess.

Nevermind, crits ignore falloff on hitscan weapons too.

18 per pellet.

The wiki page for ambassador is the only one that shows crit damage as a range.

The only one in the entire game.

I second guessed myself

[high current]

I crits fall off with splash damage. So maybe you just got those scrambled

[small siren]

*I crits fall off with

splash damage. So maybe you

just got those scrambled*

- peachestv

[wintry marlin]

Yea rockets don't always hit for 270 but that is different from player range falloff, it's explosion proximity

So yea I second guessed myself

A rocket will hit for 270 no matter the distance from player if it is dead center

[kind falcon]

now guess what the damage is for non-explosive projectiles

difficulty... simple

[wintry marlin]

Huntsman has no falloff it depends on charge

But crossbow...

It has the inverse behavior on heals

Rampup with distance

[kind falcon]

on both heals and dmg

[wintry marlin]

Oh cool

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-penguin-push-funny-dog-share-chungus-gif-16281803

[left sand]

crossbow is based on lifetime not distance it doesn't actually have rampup/falloff

[wintry marlin]

I believe crits are affected by rampup on it

Oh that makes sense

[left sand]

its damage just scales up

based on lifetime

[wintry marlin]

Because medic could take tele and still get max heals

On a player near exit.

[next nymph]

crossbow buff: -80% prpjectile speed

[wintry marlin]

It is a hyper specific scenario.

It might have been done that way for various reasons.

Pyro reflects dealing more damage as a result I guess.

Or copied from huntsman.

That makes two weapons with a crit range.

But one is range based and other is lifetime based. Incredible.

Hitscan and projectile.

Valve are psychotic

[kind falcon]

what r the damage types for arrows for vacc

[wintry marlin]

Bullet

[kind falcon]

maybe

[wintry marlin]

If pomson are bullets, so are arrows

Rescue ranger also

Baseballs are also affected.

And cleaver.

Feel free to correct me with proof.

If you test this on bison it might be quite cruel

Beating a dead horse.

[eternal haven]

Beating a dead bison.

[wintry marlin]

Bravo.

[kind falcon]

check yourself

theyre silly

and not what u expect

[wintry marlin]

I don't have a pc that can run the game rn

[kind falcon]

wiki

🙏

[wintry marlin]

Here's a curveball, I think wrap assassin ball isn't affected by vacc

[eternal haven]

Read the assembly code in objdump.

[wintry marlin]

Is there anything less convoluted?

[eternal haven]

Impossible sorry

[wintry marlin]

"Untyped"

The implications are immense

[oblique tangle]

when approximately is the playtest?

[kind falcon]

10 years

[eternal haven]

a few hours

[oblique tangle]

notice the difference in the two responses

what does that tell you about the character of the two users

[wintry marlin]

And yeah, wrap assasin bauble is "melee/explosive"

[oblique tangle]

who would you rather entrust your burger with

[wintry marlin]

It's not bullet and it's not resisted by vacc as explosion either.

Oh, there's 3. Sandman balls are affected by lifetime just like crossbow bolts.

Useless trivia.

Manmelter deals both fire and bullet.

And so do other flare guns.

Psychos designed this game.

Actual alchemy voodoo magic.

[wintry marlin]

I can't sleep.
I realized I still love looking at this game.

Not letting my decade long fixation die ig.

[velvet raft]

me me me

ill only eat half i promise i promise

[oblique tangle]

idk if i can trust that

[balmy bronze]

So the thing is every weapon you mentioned so far was added before the vaccinator

So gameplay wise the weird damage types of these weapons didn't matter

And then some sick mf at valve designed the vaccinator

[wintry marlin]

Pretty much

Except in mvm

[balmy bronze]

most of them were added before mvm

[radiant merlin]

not trying to be conspiranoic but... 4 days, 273 ratings, how

[wintry marlin]

Emporium

[high current]

“Rate 5 stars for a link to my only fans”

[wild grove]

lmao NO

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3516548366

damn 1 person worked on this whole map

https://jackofblackphoenix.me/leveldesign/

I can see why now.

[velvet raft]

https://jojowiki.com/Emporio_Alnino

[unborn pecan]

love this dude

best jojo protag ever

[opal bolt]

https://medal.tv/games/tf2/clips/ktktJTNHtKZpnwtbJ?invite=cr-MSxyVXIsMzQwNTQwODg0

[oblique tangle]

thanks jarateking, very cool!

[fresh arrow]

what dxlevel gives the most fps?

[mighty mesa]

depends

[oblique tangle]

100

[drowsy marlin]

DX level vk

[high current]

A lot of people find dx8 / 81 to get the best fps because it disables a bunch of stuff but it’s very prone to bugs. Anything dx9 or above depends heavily on your pc and the quality and fps differences aren’t super notable.

You either gotta benchmark them yourself or just use something an not think about it too deeply

[velvet raft]

stop killing games

[wintry marlin]

Maybe they should stop spawning

[radiant merlin]

back from the grave once more

[wild grove]

Wtf is [merlin] liberation music?

People trying to steal music for themselves?

[cursive peak]

Pretty much.

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/eren-aot-s4-gif-19678880

[livid urchin]

Does anyone know why TF2 includes but ignores cl_mouseenable and cl_mouselook but other games like L4D2 actually use them? Seems odd to include these seemingly dead cvars.

[eternal haven]

They're ignored only when using raw input mode in tf2

When not using raw input they do disable the mouse

[oblique tangle]

im sick of tf2 trolling me

autobalance

matchmaker throws me into a match that's finished

[kind falcon]

play the game that doesnt troll you twin💔

[oblique tangle]

alr twin

[burnt dragon]

I love getting autobalanced 5 times

free 3k xp

[glass musk]

@left sand do you plan to release the next mastercomfig update in time for the summer update, assuming nothing breaks that'd postpone the update?

[left sand]

sure!

[glass musk]

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/steamhappy-steamsad-steamangry-steammad-steamangy-gif-10453971517039865787

[opal bolt]

https://medal.tv/games/tf2/clips/kGw4V2qQ5hkibK-xh?invite=cr-MSxFOXksMzQwNTQwODg0

[wintry marlin]

You ate the sandwich

Idk why it's still on the floor though

[soft lynx]

The sandvich itself doesn't heal anymore, it's the ammo pack dropped if the sandvich is held during the time of death

[opal bolt]

but he was eating it and then died it only drops on the ground like that if right clicks

[soft lynx]

The sandvich at the floor is just "the weapon"

[opal bolt]

and it would have healed more then 50 i think

[wintry marlin]

Ok yea that explains it

This makes scout's achievement functional, come to think.

I thought it was broken or simplified after the update.

[radiant merlin]

Discussin time 3: do you think valve should simplify jumping, so that crouch jumping is irrelevant, and rocket jump is the same whether you crouch or not?

[left sand]

no

that would increase the magnitude / distance of jumping significantly

[radiant merlin]

Of course fixing that issue

The hitbox thing

[left sand]

what hitbox thing?

and i mean the distance from the ground would change, it would be insanely powerful

[kind falcon]

is "smaller hitbox when crouching" an issue

or that u jump higher if u first crouch and then jump an issue

are there Any Issues With The Videogame

[potent wolf]

crouch jumping is stupid and should be patched to have a constant jump height imo

[radiant merlin]

Like in l4d2

[radiant merlin]

It's just like 4 hu

[left sand]

crouch jumping instantly boosts you up

jumping does not do this

[radiant merlin]

I was talking about if you crouch your mass is lower thus rocket jumps push you further"

[kind falcon]

that was what i referenced directly

is it an issue

[radiant merlin]

I mean

[left sand]

that is 100% intended and it's not mass being lowered

your mass is the same no matter what

[radiant merlin]

If valve were to make it more simpler, it wouldn't be necessary

[small siren]

*If valve were to make

it more simple, it wouldn't

be necessary*

- ashewiki_tf

[radiant merlin]

To achieve max distance

[left sand]

they simply boost your knockback by a factor of like 1.6 if you are crouching

[radiant merlin]

Alright then

Fucking hwo guy

[left sand]

who?

[radiant merlin]

Htwo that's his name

[left sand]

oh

right that guy

[eternal haven]

I think you guys interpreted 'mass is lower' differently

[left sand]

idk if ive ever felt more informed or knowledgeable after watching their videos unfortunately

they put a lot of effort and their presentation is good

but would appreciate more research and consultation maybe

[left sand]

no like

there's a misconception that theres "a bug in the physics engine"

where if the box collider shrinks, the mass gets automatically lowered

[radiant merlin]

No i didn't mean it was a bug

[left sand]

and valve couldn't counteract it

[eternal haven]

I mean I think ashe meant that you are closer to the ground

[radiant merlin]

I was just saying what if it wasn't necessary

[eternal haven]

not that your mass is less

[left sand]

in fact a valve employee got this wrong too

because the comment is misleading

[left sand]

thats my problem with jumping

youre closer to the ground when you jump only

notice how if you jump and rocket jump you take more damage

than crouch jumping

same if youre on the floor

but you miss out on a 2x good rocket jump multiplier and the 1.6x multiplier when crouching

so the fraction of 146 radius to 90 damage can't compare to literally 3.2x more knockback

crouch jumping instantly teleports you up to your eye height before crouching

this is different from jumping which will travel vertically over time

you're only a few units off of the ground after a frame of jumping

whereas you teleport more off of the ground when you crouch jump

if they were to change it, without massively changing rocket jump heights, theyd have to do extremely weird heuristics for figuring out how to adjust the self knockback

[eternal haven]

they should not change it

[left sand]

and then if they did that, theyd affect certain rollouts especially preround

[left sand]

i agree, im just trying to explain the consequences to ashe because it's pretty much impossible to change

[eternal haven]

imo they already changed too much with this prediction update

game literally feels different due to it

and it feels worse

not to mention the bug when you stand on someones head that they still havent done anything about

[left sand]

i think it was two steps forward one step back but ultimately theyre in a tricky spot where they cant focus enough detail whenever they do change stuff

and it affects a lot of people

i mean just consider the demo breakage

it was considered sacrilege to ever break a demo

[eternal haven]

I don't think they have the faculties to fully test these sort of major changes

[left sand]

and now it's happened like 5 times

[left sand]

yes precisely

well id say resources

faculties sounds like its a mental issue

[eternal haven]

I don't mean it like that

[left sand]

though ik you meant it generally

yeah

[radiant merlin]

It was just because having to crouch jump with a controller is shit, or maybe i just have to git gud

[left sand]

crouch jump bind?

[radiant merlin]

Yes but now i also would have to bind a only jump button

For scout

[cursive peak]

Just rebind it to regular jump in scout.cfg

[next nymph]

i thought people used crounchjump binds on scout no problem, am i missing something

[radiant merlin]

Idk i don't do that lol

[eternal haven]

This grinds my gears for some reason https://spiritov.github.io/posts/sv-pure-bypass

This idiot writing this up like they discovered it and are 'making it public'

As if it wasn't widely known 5 years ago not to mention made extremely public by cukei 6 months ago

And they don't even go in and describe the root cause or related issues or anything

Idk it's just like clout chasing for no reason

I gave valve three months to patch it guys now Im making it public bros

[wild grove]

I sent valve a email about this idk how long ago about the vmt parameter, never got a response back.

but I think the whole game ban for game exploits was PROLLY (I SAID PROLLY NOT DEFINITELY) the response.

[left sand]

ignorez is WHY sv_pure exists lol

[next nymph]

October 1, 2024 - discovered how the exploit could be used for wallhacks
try 2004

[tacit flare]

I've heard quite a lot about sv_pure being about as useful as wet tissue paper. Is there a reason Valve have never fixed it or is it just another Valve Moment?

[left sand]

sv_pure is okay but it has a lot of exploits and due to the various competing interests it's hard to figure out a good solution

for example, servers simply do not have the data files needed for a full integrity check, unlike csgo, and adding these would monumentally bloat up the server install footprint

therefore for tf2 they went with a practically client-side only sv_pure

tf2, unlike csgo, does not have a huge emphasis on competitive integrity so it's a waning interest to fix it past a certain point for many years, unlike csgo

tf2 also has used a lot of bsp packed content and Source has a very sensitive model loading and content loading system, so it can be delicate to make sure custom maps/servers with replacements don't break while still ensuring modified content is blocked

it would be a huge risk to break pure in that way and have something like a summer update have all the models break

like what happened a few years ago when they fixed a few pure issues (and introduced some new ones)

i think its also fair to say that despite the legendary capability and knowledge of the people who work on tf2, first hand knowledge to modify the various loader systems is a bit of a faded/lost art

[tacit flare]

Always more complex than it seems. Thank you for the explanation, that does make a lot more sense.

[left sand]

i mean, im not even motivated to fix it because i have low confidence that i could, its very daunting. and even if i took the time to dig in and commit to it, the engine code is different in that area and anything i could do without direct access or a long reverse engineering process wouldn't really help

[tacit flare]

You could probably dedicate an entire library to these kinds of explanations.

[cursive peak]

WikiComs

[left sand]

thats how you get a cult of personality, logging the teachings of a single person

[radiant merlin]

that's on views, not on evidence based data

[tacit flare]

Would be one hell of a FAQ

[high current]

ngl, with how easy it is to get away with actual wallhacks, this just seems like extra effort.

Also as far as competitive leagues, as it is mentioned they forwarded this info to comp leagues: RGL has known about this from places. Don't know if they shared it with other leagues, but this would fall into RGL's blanket ban on sv_pure bypassing.
Comp leagues would enforce this the same way the enforce injected wall hacks. If people look at people through walls, they are wallhacking. Typically it is nearly impossible to hide as people naturally look at their targets.

Also I don't hate them doing this write up. It's a pretty substantial sv_pure bypass and if Valve added a check for it people would at least have to turn to other bypass methods that have more drawbacks and limitations.
Could they have submitted it privately? Probably, but I'd bet a substantial amount of eggnog that people already did years ago.

[eternal haven]

I guess but many people have already contacted valve about it over the years and the RGL and other league AC has been well aware recently

All this guy served to do is spoonfeed it with step by step instructions to people who want to use it to cheat

It is surprising that valve hasn't fixed the low hanging fruit stuff though

[small siren]

*It is surprising

that valve hasn't fixed the low

hanging fruit stuff though*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[eternal haven]

I thought for sure with cukei's thing they would

[left sand]

me too but ig they just want to nip it in the bud

rather than just patching each exploit one by one

also yeah, contacting the leagues wasn't really anything

it didn't help them at all, just fill them with concern it was gonna be released publicly

also

i got asked to review this post days ago but i didnt read it much to notice it said they were gonna make it public

i thought it was gonna be a documented report about the exploit to send to valve and leagues

also when i reviewed it, it wasnt as detailed with basically a tutorial on how to cheat

[eternal haven]

It will be really interesting to see what valve ends up doing

about sv pure

[small siren]

*It will be really

interesting to see what

valve ends up doing*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[left sand]

i mean tbh the easiest thing they could do is just completely lock down tf2

"modders ruined tf2"

[eternal haven]

I mean they'd have to still also fix the prevailing issues

otherwise the modders would keep on using them lol

[left sand]

how

[left sand]

ie, remove the custom folder, strengthen the vpk signing

[eternal haven]

well that's the thing

the vpk chunks are not checked at all

[left sand]

yeah, thats what i mean by lock down tf2

both that & not allowing any custom content anymore

from "untrusted" sources

[eternal haven]

the current system in place (but not used) for verifying the chunks is quite slow

[left sand]

isnt verification done async?

meant to be

[eternal haven]

I don't remember but I remember trying it and it was slow

[small siren]

*I don't remember

but I remember trying

it and it was slow*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[left sand]

im pretty sure its meant to like

error out

as soon as it encounters an integrity error

but its like async or something

or its supposed to be

[high current]

Easiest thing they can do is nothing. And tbf that's probably not far from what they're going to do. VAC hasn't done much for years and whatever steps they take to counter cheaters currently is what they can do with this. Honestly if anything this is easier for leagues to check for with pov demos and console.

[left sand]

VAC is fine

[high current]

I do think adding a check for the file would be reasonable. As it is a pretty major oversight.

[eternal haven]

I mean they should at least fix the low hanging gameinfo thing

if they decide to do nothing

just comment out the thing that skips file tracking if not multiplayer

[small siren]

*just comment out the

thing that skips file tracking if

not multiplayer*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[eternal haven]

or completely remove the option for tf2 to be anything but multiplayer

it never needs to be singleplayer or anything else

it's a 5 minute fix really

some of the other bypasses are a bit harder to fix

and the chunk verification is either hard to fix or will make the game load slow

[left sand]

it doesnt have to load slow, as long as it just exits the game upon encountering lack of integrity

thats how CSGO worked, when you connected to a server

since they had server side pure

but they couldnt have verification happen during connecting state, since it would load too slow

so instead it happened asynchronously

and it would kick you upon failing

[eternal haven]

Well it's normal to not fail

so everything would have to be checked

in the normal case

[left sand]

yes but it wouldnt affect load times

[eternal haven]

Tbh I don't know how the loading works

[left sand]

the thinking is that if you are cheating, it'll find the bad file before youre able to really do any harm

and for anyone else, its as if the game didnt change

[eternal haven]

Well yeah but you're saying that you can md5 sum 20 gigabytes of data for everyone else in the same time they already spend loading stuff?

[left sand]

no

where did i say that?

[eternal haven]

that's how I interpreted this

[left sand]

i feel like you didnt read what i said carefully but this message is important

[eternal haven]

I didn't read it too carefully

but I think I got it all

cheaters will fail sure

the normal case is not failing

which means all the data has to be checked

I guess I'm missing something

[left sand]

yes

you can still play the game

while its checking

[eternal haven]

I don't think it's set up like that currently

[left sand]

^

[left sand]

its meant to be

thats all im saying

[eternal haven]

What if someone has a fast disk

their cpu is pegged for the first minute of gameplay?

is there a limit built in to prevent stuff like that

it's been like 2 years since I looked at how the verification was supposed to work

[left sand]

yeah afaik it was like some number of files every few seconds and also rarely is anyone ever disk bound

superfetch is a thing

the cpu wouldnt be pegged anyways

[eternal haven]

maybe theyre on a quad core bro

or does that like reduce the amount of worker threads

I dont remember

Im gonna go read the code again before any more pointless speculation

[left sand]

im not talking about any code necessarily

[eternal haven]

well there was code in tf2 for verifying the chunk hashes

I think anyways

they just didnt use it

maybe they only ever intended that to be used by the server

when launching with -sv_pure_verify_hashes

it does actually get used when you do that and iirc it goes through them all sequentially

no async

I guess that would be normak for the server

[left sand]

in csgo its 75 files per second

and only files actually being used atp

[eternal haven]

Does tf2 have csgo's thing?

I don't see it

[left sand]

no

they have entirely different pure systems

tf2 has client side pure

csgo has server side

[eternal haven]

tf2's used to be kind of server-inclusive

pre-2013 steampipe stuff

they commented it all out lol

[left sand]

yeah that stuff isnt so relevant

[eternal haven]

yeah

[left sand]

im just saying, it would have to ultimately be similar to csgo's system because of the performance issues

[eternal haven]

the client is not required to send the server anything

at all

in tf2

for pure I mean

[left sand]

as in, just checking files loaded over time

and then exiting the game if a fail is found

75 files per second seems decent

could probably be done within the main frame too

[eternal haven]

you really think valve has it in them to bother setting that up in tf2

[left sand]

doesnt have to be concurrent/threaded

just async

its not too hard

well

[eternal haven]

I mean it's a good couple days of work surely

[left sand]

compared to other options

[eternal haven]

but I guess the other option is just do nothing

[wild grove]

I mean this kind of thing can go under a game exploit which can get you game banned if many people report you for seemingly having walls. Then there's also comp leagues noticing the same and banning you.

[high current]

Yeh this is pretty much the main reason sv_pure was implemented for. So people could use wallhack custom models.

[drowsy marlin]

https://imgur.com/YMLm9s9

This is what heavy needs

[uncut spear]

LMAO

I vouch for this

put this in tc2 🗣️

[left sand]

im thinking of splitting up the tc2 balance pack and tc2 base optimizations, similarly to tf2 og since that seems to have worked successfully

[wintry marlin]

Just give him ability to wallclimb

Orangutan heavy

[uncut spear]

LIKE VENOM IN MARVEL RIVALS

that would look so funny

[uncut spear]

honestly sounds like a good idea

[left sand]

yesh they're just disabled now, completely unused

[uncut spear]

https://youtube.com/shorts/fyqlaL30PRs

this is epic

[left sand]

youre epic

[uncut spear]

woah,,,

like Hatsune miku

[radiant merlin]

pr to fix blank names when

[uncut spear]

what if the name is just blank

[eternal haven]

Now me personally if I got fish killed I wouldnt admit to it

[radiant merlin]

name is actually blank lol

how

[eternal haven]

link it

[radiant merlin]

mmm

not really want to witchhunt

[uncut spear]

bro if any of us witch hunt, just put a curse on us

"YOU FUCKING GOT A FISH KILL, FUCK YOURSELF"

[eternal haven]

Lmfao

[high current]

Fun fact: you can also have blank profile pictures that’ll bug out in CS and just duplicate a random profile picture of someone else in the server.
But in TF2 it just appears as blank.

[wild grove]

That sounds kinda creepy af

[radiant merlin]

Tf2 clearly better

[eternal haven]

If someone sets their steam name to avatar, tf2 makes their pfp wider in the friends list

or it used to anyways maybe that was fixed cant remember

https://github.com/valvesoftware/source-1-games/issues/6390

tbh it's kinda scary that a steam name can be interpreted as something to do with the hud

[glass musk]

let's see if today is the day

[wild grove]

https://tenor.com/view/it-could-be-today-grandma-messi-ohne-ohnepixel-mydrilla-gif-11410354323425984183

[glass musk]

no update 🥀

dead game

[kind falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/722759815763460178/1041043555252187257/ezgif.com-gif-maker_-_2022-07-15T183109.613.gif

[next nymph]

me when i got a big burger and its hard to eat it because its a big burger

[burnt dragon]

dead game

[wild grove]

https://tenor.com/view/frozone-never-heard-that-one-before-gif-11561148

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004724464363257906/1181950196712742952/Doriz_Open.gif

[tacit flare]

Now this is the kind of realism I want to see in my wacky cartoon FPS.

[uncut spear]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/607835

[oblique tangle]

this game is officially dead to me

casual is so unbalanced and everyone disconnects the second a round is lost

uncletopia is where all the soldier and spy tryhards migrated to and it's too hard to play there

i can't find a place in tf2 anymore where i can have laid back fun

[kind falcon]

whar?

[burnt dragon]

hit tf2classic

somehow people there now know who I am

and kinda nice to be a part of a small niche community :3

[small siren]

*and kinda nice to

be a part of a small niche

community :3*

- polarite

[burnt dragon]

take it before its too late

[oblique tangle]

already uninstalled that

actually fps games are not very fun to me anymroe

only dota

[burnt dragon]

maybe its time to play some different genre

or start with new hobbies

sometimes changes can be needed :3

[oblique tangle]

the. change is dot

[high current]

If you don’t like the game. The game isn’t going to make you like it.

[small siren]

*If you don’t like the

game. The game isn’t going

to make you like it.*

- peachestv

[radiant merlin]

updoot vandaag

[uncut spear]

start cheating

[wintry marlin]

I find mental and creative work more fulfilling than mindless dm at this point

[kind falcon]

Steamhappy

[high current]

Same. That’s why I’m pretty much done after an hour or two of casual.
Comp requires more brain power, hence why I like it more.

[wintry marlin]

I still find trolling by doing very esoteric strats entertaining tho

Spawncamping or going medic

Can be fun to do solo

Exactly the way fatmagic does it.

Always finding sidequests to do.

[high current]

Medic in pubs can be fun. But at times you uber on someone and they literally don’t know what uber does so they start running away like they’re getting ult’ed on in overwatch.

Honestly probably about 50% of the time

[crisp cedar]

beast mode

[oblique tangle]

nah dude when it's my turn to play ranked and try to improve and get out of herald, i get matched against 2013 players with 4k matches and grandmaster on multiple mid heroes, and they are nEVER on my side

meanwhile i have a friend who started playing literally last year and is already archon or legend i think

he did say he was from the philippines so maybe that's why

[crisp cedar]

no he probs just doesnt suck

hardest pill to swallow is that ultimately you didnt lose because the matchup wasnt fair, you lost because you werent good enough

no match is unwinnable

if an enemy is too good smart or fed

abuse the weak link

you need to recognize when you can stop the smurf headon or by abusing his teammates

he will try to do the same

also if you like it

you can enable strict solo only matchmaking

for ranked

its more preference, no right answer imo

[left sand]

just know this: rtz would go 40/0 in your games and win 100% of them

[crisp cedar]

mason would go 100/0 in your games and win 80% of them and get banned in 4 months for behaviour score boosting

[orchid sorrel]

When summer update

[kind falcon]

next summer

[oblique tangle]

if i want to get out of herald

i need to play like a guardian probably in a sup role too

[small siren]

*i need to play like

a guardian probably

in a sup role too*

- samuel!

[oblique tangle]

problem: play like a guardian and not a herald

[next nymph]

this has me wondering, which team composition has the lowest winrate

like something stupid like 5 hard carries

[crisp cedar]

probably disruptor, chen, oracle, ringmaster, grimstroke

[kind falcon]

mid grim is evil

[wild grove]

Ikr?

[wild grove]

Did you know that 2008 was the year that AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

https://tenor.com/view/coming-straight-at-you-slimer-ghostbusters-frozen-empire-rushing-toward-you-ghostbusters-gif-13657930038893123476

[burnt dragon]

I would go somethinh like 38/12 in your games and win 60% of them and not get banned

😎

[wild grove]

say the line bart!

[mystic anchor]

MIKE, reflect those rockets please!

[tacit flare]

Ah yes, the enemy team mindlessly firing pills and rockets at the pyro causing the death of someone else. A classic.

[radiant merlin]

damn i'd like to have my director taunt back

also xd

[burnt dragon]

wait didnt that get removed?

I thought that was removed few months ago

[oblique tangle]

it did but not for everyone i think

[radiant merlin]

they removed voice command restrictions

[jagged pawn]

lol

[potent wolf]

omg titanfall 2 update

[jagged pawn]

valve's obsession with koth will never end

[potent wolf]

well, koth is the only good gamemode after all

[jagged pawn]

so true

Reduced default value for ConVar 'tf_mm_next_map_vote_time' from 30s to 15s
casual is saved

(this is a good change I'm just being annoying)

[radiant merlin]

this unu is cool

[kind falcon]

Hello Bro

[radiant merlin]

lol

what happened to the 5 maps per update

[coarse spruce]

your disk isn't gonna fill itself...

need even MORE maps

[radiant merlin]

it took 10 years

actually that is the only change to the tips xd

[high current]

Hey they updated the post-round map vote thing. Casual QOL improvements yay

[next nymph]

this is to make up for the hotfix that doesn't add any maps

[proper tangle]

fucking hell 10 new maps

holy matchmaking batman

[potent wolf]

hi

[proper tangle]

fuck

[potent wolf]

holy shit this is massive (not)

[potent wolf]

nooo not the gay coordinator

[proper tangle]

Oh I remember the month of work to make all the websites on the company I work for work with that

99% was just tweaking nginx files but that 1% was python being a pain

[kind falcon]

this is akshually massive

[summer steeple]

how long have people been asking for this?

like 50 years?

[radiant merlin]

why tf did valve think a vertical map was good?

[summer steeple]

wait damn they added a tauntkill?

smh p2w game

(ok but seriously that is cool)

[oblique tangle]

whatp

[potent wolf]

this is the titanfall 2 thread

[radiant merlin]

they are not going to add slaughter to the game

[summer steeple]

wait what lmao

de-halloweened version of the halloween map instead of the original map??

[radiant merlin]

slaughter has a 1000 times better them than this

[summer steeple]

i guess the mappers just preferred the theme

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[radiant merlin]

also 5 min timer lol

[summer steeple]

it says 4 in your image

[radiant merlin]

oh it's 4

[summer steeple]

i still don't really like longer koth times tbh

[radiant merlin]

yeah laughter has a longer timer because of the hell event

[oblique tangle]

i know but what is the ipdate about

[summer steeple]

sumer

ancient sumeria

[oblique tangle]

i am humbly asking you to parrot the changleog to me

[potent wolf]

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=249054

[potent wolf]

An update to Team Fortress 2 has been released. The update will be applied automatically when you restart Team Fortress 2. The major changes include:

Summer 2025!

[potent wolf]

Featuring 10 new community maps: Citadel, Aquarius, Fulgur, Cargo, Conifer, Boardwalk, Blowout, Mannhole, Demolition, and Pressure

[summer steeple]

sumer

[potent wolf]

Added the Summer 2025 Cosmetic Case

Contains 23 new community-contributed items

Added 4 new community-contributed taunts to the Mann Co. Store

Taunt: The Final Score

Taunt: Bear Hug

Taunt: Texan Trickshot

Taunt: Flying Colors

Added 14 new community-created Unusual effects

7 new effects for Unusual hats

7 new effects for Unusual taunts

[small siren]

*Added 14 new

community-created

Unusual effects*

- replay

[potent wolf]

All cosmetic and taunt cases will grant Summer 2025 Unusual effects instead of their normal Unusual effects during the Summer event. This does not include crates.

The Summer event runs through September 15th, 2025

General

Fixed the Frontline Field Recorder not using its normal map

Fixed The Texas Half-Pants not fully using rimlight

Fixed the Das Hazmattenhatten's materials not using its normal map

Fixed The Bazaar Bargain's scope being painted when using the Saccharine Striped, Team Detail, Gobi Glazed, and Team Charged war paints

Fixed some outdated in-game tips

Reduced default value for ConVar 'tf_mm_next_map_vote_time' from 30s to 15s

Updated materials for The Candy Cane to fix consistency issues

Updated lightwarptexture setting for the blood version of the Half-Zatoichi

Updated the Strasbourg Scholar to improve clipping

Updated the Heavy's model to add a 'bullets' bodygroup for cosmetics

Updated/Added some tournament medals

Updated cp_fortezza

Reworked routes between Point A and Last

Improved lighting and visuals across the map

Clipping fixes

Updated vsh_distillery, vsh_maul, vsh_nucleus, vsh_outburst, vsh_skirmish, and vsh_tinyrock

Big thanks to Whurr, Starfall and Bradasparky for reporting bugs and suggesting changes.

Balance changes

Consecutive Wall Climbs no longer cut your preexisting speed

Mini-Sentries now deal 80% damage (up from 50%)

Crit-boosted Miniguns now deal 70% damage (up from 60%)

Reduced the Mighty Slam's damage at point-blank range

Rebalanced Hale's damage against buildings

Level 1 buildings are destroyed with a single punch

Level 2 and 3 buildings now require two punches

The Wrangler Shield adds an additional punch to the required count

Ability-based damage to buildings is unchanged

[small siren]

*The Wrangler Shield adds

an additional punch to

the required count*

- replay

[potent wolf]

Bugfixes

Fixed a crash caused by the string pool overflowing over time