Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[summer willow]

when i heard about the tf2 competitive mode i always understood like its dead, in the sense there isn't competitive servers from valve and i never took a look at it

tf2 has competitive servers right?

[summer steeple]

yeah

but no one plays it

[summer willow]

if so, i wonder how much its played on brazil

[summer willow]

oh

[summer steeple]

its barely played in the US

[summer willow]

sad

[summer steeple]

even at low ranks its the kind of thing where you queue for comp and then go play casual for like an hour

and hope that it puts you in a game

[summer willow]

i wanted to try it out

from seeing some videos tf2 competitive seems to be one of the best way of having fun playing

apart from probably toxic players and etcetc

[summer steeple]

its not impossible to find a game, but it is slow to do so, so the silver lining is that you can queue while playing casual

if you really want to try 6s community comp is probably significantly easier to get into

chances are whatever videos you saw were on community competitive servers

[eternal haven]

And then get a game after waiting 5 hours and theres a cheater and he kills everyone and you down rank

[summer steeple]

because of the aforementioned no players

[eternal haven]

Or someone leaves and it cancels the game

[summer willow]

i dont want to play competitive but i like to try it out the competitive mode

[summer steeple]

god yeah i forgot about pre-game

wait an hour to get into a game, finally get in and then wait 10 minutes for the last player to somehow fail connection and then the game gets cancelled

[eternal haven]

Ive played probably like 50 valve comp games and a good 20 of them had cheaters

or bots

sometimes it was just 6 catbots

[summer willow]

oh well

theres not much i guess, the community on brazil is very small, theres a lot of players playing casual but theres not really a community

so if its already small on other parts of the world on brazil is pretty much non existing

people only played at uncletopia when you couldn't play on casual because of bots

there isnt much of jump server on brazil

biggest brazil servers would be 2fort 24/7 from skial

close to us there's latinos which i believe has a bigger community

but yeah, i feel like im missing a lot from tf2 because of this

[eternal haven]

I heard it was kind of expensive to host servers in brazil

Or to find someplace to rent them from that has reliable enough connectivity for a tf2 server

[summer willow]

theres just so much i can't play because theres nobody to play other than casual and its getting staled from me

i reinvent, try new things and its cool but thats it

the separation from f2p players is also atrocious for all of this

tf2 one time just put me on a LA server out of nowhere and the experience is so different

but i cant really play because of lag

thats it

well, could be others that dont use the local thing but also using the latency doesnt work because of servers with fake ping

[eternal haven]

I think the vast majority of servers don't set the location

sv_region or whatever

nobody sets that

Well I mean a lot don't

[left sand]

because tf2 valve servers dont form matches, they just are allocated based on availability

dota and cs2 servers form based on matches

[summer willow]

but i think theres non others than this in this case, below 100 of ping is just a lot of US servers with fake ping

[eternal haven]

I mean maybe but it seems like there would be plenty of brazil servers that haven't gone out of their way to set sv_region

At least in other regions there are

It's kinda annoying to query them with the stupid api that only returns 10000 results

[summer willow]

can we invoke all south americans on the servers

i want to play stuff 😭

[eternal haven]

Are florida servers playable?

Seems like florida would have the best ping to brazil

Probably still 100ms+ though so not enjoyable to play on I guess

[summer willow]

what servers?

[eternal haven]

Huh I thought uncletopia had Miami servers for some reason I guess they don't

[summer willow]

i got in a uncletopia server with 140ping but not really playable

i wonder why i didnt got kicked also

i mean, lag seems helpful if you're sniper andspy

[eternal haven]

Sometimes

For sniper

Maybe for scout

But it's just as annoying as it is helpful probably

But yeah it does feel like you can have somewhat looser aim and still hit stuff when you have high ping

[summer willow]

yeah, its not great

most of the time im just missing

[eternal haven]

High ping on soldier is complete cancer

Can't hit anything

Somehow b4nny plays invite soldier on like 80 ping idk how

[summer willow]

i played on a chile server at 60 and seems fine

[orchid sorrel]

first time seeing bots since the summer update

and in bootcamp of all things

[velvet raft]

hello dr cactus, how is it going?

[orchid sorrel]

im doing ok just finished a final project

was gonna play TF2 before bed but the queue times for both bootcamp and casual are abysmal right now

6 mins just to get a badwater game and 20 for a bootcamp with cheater bots

[wild grove]

as soon as the U.S goes to sleep, the matchmaker goes down the gutter LOL, at least what I am reading from this.

[spring kestrel]

6s is so much fun

I love it so dearly

[summer willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH_pOsa_NyE

the worst thing i've ever seen, this sucks so much 😭🙏

[next nymph]

@summer steeple your move

[high current]

Tbh it is really fun. I didn’t have to wait toooo long to find a game. But definitely play casual in the background. Last I played it was during the bot crisis and I think we played 3 games and got 1 cheater.

We ended up winning because I 4 stacked with some teammates and just vacc pocketed our own RGL Advanced sniper. Then on defense we just spammed sentries because you can’t headshot a sentry.
Honestly that game versus the cheater was the most fun I’ve had in TF2 in years.

[eternal haven]

Mastercoms can reloading material system ever be beneficial

Sometimes my game feels better after I change a setting mid game that causes a reload but I don't know whether it's placebo or not

[left sand]

yeah probably

[potent wolf]

update

sdk changes have been merged

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=243671

[radiant merlin]

so it takes a month for changes to be merged to live

[eternal haven]

Insane.

I expect them to release updates within hours of merging my changes.

This is why tf2 sucks.

[potent wolf]

tf2 players when valve doesnt update the game: this fucking sucks
tf2 players when valve does update the game: this fucking sucks

[summer willow]

we're so back

theres some significance change?

[left sand]

no dedicated server?

[potent wolf]

dedi got updated as usual but no notes about it

[left sand]

for sdk :(

[potent wolf]

oh

rip

[summer willow]

oh

it might fix the font issues on linux?

[potent wolf]

what are your plans for comtress then

[left sand]

wait

[summer willow]

what the predictions fixes mean?

[obsidian drift]

I like seeing github and community fixes being merged. I wish it was quicker but it gives me hope that mcoms fixes will all make it in one day

[summer willow]

i think its just how valve works with updating their games

and you need to be extra careful when changes in code is made by the community

tf2 backdoor when

[eternal haven]

Is the dedicated server thing really that big of a deal

like having to pull in the libraries from the sdk srcds from steam to compile it

I am kind of surprised they haven't yet merged the steamgameserverhttp PR

[left sand]

yeah

[eternal haven]

OK but like the investment to unify the vstdlibs might be large

[small siren]

*OK but like the

investment to unify

the vstdlibs might be large*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[eternal haven]

Meanwhile the issue can be completely worked around by using the server one

So like it's maybe not a priority

I guess at the very least they should have done some action by now

either a temporary fix or a 'proper' one

[cobalt spruce]

no, just for one specific font which mostly appears in the hud

[summer willow]

oh

[eternal haven]

Is it me or is the default hud kinda ugly

the borders aren't even the same width

The positioning and angles of the things have no coherence

[cobalt spruce]

ye

[summer willow]

yeah

one thing i want to know is what was the process to create this hud

[small siren]

*one thing i want to

know is what was the process

to create this hud*

- _jakez

[summer willow]

where it come from and the design overall

[eternal haven]

I guess it was probably more coherent in the first version of tf2 before they added certain stuff

[oblique tangle]

so they are fixing the game according to usar sumbitted changes

?

[left sand]

im not asking for them to do that

[eternal haven]

I mean they either do that or just include the _srv one in the sdk on github right

or idk fix key values and who knows what else some other way?

[small siren]

*or idk fix

key values and who knows what

else some other way?*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[left sand]

im asking for there to be an out of the box way for the dedicated server to be workable

just like there was before

[eternal haven]

I thought the same bug existed before

with keyvalues anyways

[glass musk]

https://github.com/CriticalFlaw/tf2hud-fixes is 🐐

[left sand]

idk not for hl2 mods afaik

anyways its their responsibility to fix the engine part of the sdk

[eternal haven]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/issues/562

[left sand]

it just speaks poorly to the support if dedicated servers are missing

[summer willow]

things was added later but its basically the same

[oblique tangle]

is criticalflaw username a reference to critical hits being a flaw in the game??

[glass musk]

Ion kno

not a flaw imo

[oblique tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-low-tier-god-gif-7063766479042034257

[left sand]

like its such a critical feature for people to be able to host non-listen servers

[glass musk]

I love surviving when I'm not supposed to, thanks to crits

always bet on random crits

[eternal haven]

Yeah I mean I agree mcoms

They should do something about it

But I can appreciate that fixing it in a proper way might take a lot of time and effort

And that it's really not very difficult to get it working in the current state

Just 3 little extra steps

[left sand]

yes so therefore i will wait

the tf2 sdk, released with a pretty hacky cosmetics system with lots of problems for end users and lacking an out of the box dedicated server solution, is incomplete

it was released in a state that makes it possible to start a mod for sure but not ready for production use

i could invest time in it now or i could invest time in it later

investing time into it later seems more efficient

[oblique tangle]

it feels like jungle inferno

something that was very dragged out and just released for the sake of it

[left sand]

idk

that feels like an uncharitable interpretation of both

both are obviously huge and amazing and awesome

but

in this case, i dont want to delve into something yet that hasnt gone through at least one full production run through

[oblique tangle]

they couldn't bother going the extra step they usually go for in fricking dota 2

[left sand]

including dedicated servers

jungle inferno had an SFM short, update page, class rework, overall game balancing, a new valve map and valve cosmetics

[potent wolf]

[eternal haven]

I mean misyl showed interest in the dedicated server issues

and nothing has been done since

so surely a solution is either being worked on or considered

[left sand]

yes

idk what youre criticizing

[burnt dragon]

actual update we would drool over a year ago

[eternal haven]

Not criticizing anything

I guess I just expected some form of action from valve about it by now

but also I think at a certain point it doesn't make sense to let it delay anything for comtress

[left sand]

idk i want to spend my time efficiently

[eternal haven]

If there was an indication that they're going to revamp the whole econ in the sdk I would understand not doing any econ stuff in comtress

but just the dedicated server I don't get quite as much

it's not like valve fixing it is likely to require much work to be redone or anything

[left sand]

it indicates the support attitude and the thoroughness

[eternal haven]

I guess

[left sand]

theres no shortage of work on my end, on different things

theres no real time pressure for tc2 now or later

so therefore the efficiency/duplicate work becomes a primary concern

[summer willow]

oh

i think some huds might have broken..?

could be just the hud im not sure

using center hud btw

[cobalt spruce]

yea update broke huds that fixed the sdk update store / replay / backpack headers bug

[proper tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

yall got any more of those github fixes?

[velvet raft]

@left sand do you still play tf2 regularly?

[left sand]

not really

but it hasnt been abnormal for me to take years long breaks

[potent wolf]

mastercoms is a full-time toxic dota player

[kind falcon]

cant have fun in tf2

[next nymph]

"full-time toxic" and "dota player" are redundant

[kind falcon]

mastercoms is a jarateka

[hidden gyro]

Fixed Mann vs. Machine bomb carrier voice line playing during normal CTF with bots (GitHub fix from mastercoms)

[radiant merlin]

ye

[indigo flume]

Really happy to see more of my stuff get in - I know it's really inconsequential and most people won't care, but it's all I can even figure out so I'm happy it's in at all.

More excited about the rest of the fixes though, it's good stuff and I hope more of them happen 😌

[left sand]

i actually found yours to be a highlight! so thank you for your service

[indigo flume]

Appreciate it! ❤️

I appreciate everyone else's more by default, I can only do so much lol - I can't go do some code fix in the SDK or anything (I could try, and fail lol), so I really do appreciate yours and other fixes more

I'm good at repeating myself, you get the gist

[left sand]

i feel like code fixes can only go so far -- most of the reason i think people feel jaded about tf2 is probably because of the lack of a cohesive art style due to natural degradation over time, as well as falling behind in terms of visual fidelity/polish vs. modern titles

so i would say polishing stuff in the art department is needed and goes a long way beyond just some random bugs which happen in specific scenarios

[indigo flume]

That's true. I still appreciate the code fixes though, I can edit some text in a vmt file but not code haha.

I've sent a bunch of random "fixes" like the ones in this update and who knows if that'll show up later

the fixes from me in this update, I made over 2 years ago lol, I think?

ValveTime™️

[left sand]

yeah theres stuff from like 4 years ago that still hasnt gotten merged entirely

[indigo flume]

We can only hope, if not - I think it at least shows they at least have seen these sort of things

Actually implementing and the like, whole diff story but it's nice to know they at least see some of it

[left sand]

yeah

obviously they want it just takes a lot of time

oh someone noticed this on reddit

[indigo flume]

let us pretend it is any different from when they had "individual" people make a post on there idk

It is a bit different from the last few years I guess, having "Valve" be the post author but it doesn't change much ig?

[rare creek]

there is no more tf2 team 😢

[tacit flare]

Pain

[summer steeple]

i feel like they’ve interchangeably used “Valve” “TF2 Team” and “TF Team” like, always

[left sand]

i think this just reflects the reality of it

[indigo flume]

eric smith credit when

(never, ok, but he is who many sent/send things to lol)

[tacit flare]

Would be funny if had ones like "The potted plant" or "The janitor"

[small siren]

*Would be funny if

had ones like "The potted plant"

or "The janitor"*

- agent.artemis

[tacit flare]

Thank you HaikuBot

[indigo flume]

they're aware, they just don't do that (that often)

last year is a good example lol https://x.com/TFSysMessages/status/1857236727980539925

TF2SystemMessages (@TFSysMessages) on X

The item and matchmaking servers will be unavailable for 25% more than four minutes roughly while we fix the fix we fixed #NotAPlant #ButThePlantIsFine

X · Nov 15, 2024, 1:38 AM

Probably easier to make those jokes in those than in the website itself (not that it'd be difficult either way)

[tacit flare]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-the-plant-vegans-gif-23768796

[wild grove]

It would be nice to see more tools for making more advanced war paints, more bodygroups for cosmetics so content creators don't need to artifically inflate merc body parts because the default merc body is still being rendered, but it's clear VALVe doesn't give a rats ass towards those aspects, anything that could actually improve content isn't being done. Like they could barely implement a war paint properly, then go LALALALA can't hear you whenever the content creator asks em to fix what they broke.

[indigo flume]

This is the same company that if nothing else, could really easily overall, just add a Strange Dragon's Fury and the like, but they don't. One case, adding the rest of the remaining non-stranges, nothing else - community goes nuts.

I get there could be IP issues and the like but they've worked past this plenty of times with every other item lol

Valve are just kinda strange (no, not in reference to what I just said) ig

happy to be proven wrong on anything, I'm a fucking idiot

[left sand]

i mean to be fair the stranges are a mess

[wild grove]

From what I heard they are easy af to implement LOL

especially if its mechanics in the game already

when it becomes hard is stuff that has mechanics that haven't been seen in a strange.

[left sand]

i feel like the simplicity is overstated

plus i dont even mean just code, though that is enough

but also economy wise, usually these are distributed in a special way or more recently they've preferred stat clocks

i would wager much of the current hesitation is about making a new system to support stranges in a much better way through attachments

[wild grove]

is it really THAT hard to return the munitions series?

[wild grove]

Recently as in 2017, they haven't had a contract collection since then that you could put stat clocks on. If they perferred that, we would've seen way more passes with contract war paint collections if that were the case. Also a new system would be a waste when strangifiers already exist and are basically an attachment type since it overwrites the default rarity with strange, and for both stat clocks and stranges, you can't reverse the attachment.

[left sand]

yes they havent released one unfortunately

[indigo flume]

I meant to follow up on what I said but forgot and now it's 3am 😭 so I'll just agree and leave it there for now lol

[eternal haven]

If Im playing bad in tf2 the solution is to change my crosshair or crosshair color and then I'll play better?

[uncut spear]

yes :)

[eternal haven]

OK thanks

[velvet raft]

orange crosshair for cs, white for valorant and red for team fortress, you're welcome

[uncut spear]

white only ever worked for me in l4d2

also

https://gamebanana.com/mods/591535

new fps dropping mod just released

-400 fps

[wild grove]

LMAO

[wild grove]

Use this LOL
https://gamebanana.com/mods/456577

[uncut spear]

what the fuck 😭

[cobalt spruce]

just tape like 2 pieces of painters tape on the monitor to make a crosshair

[heavy solar]

@cobalt spruce has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

[wild grove]

Somehow when I used to use this mod, it did help my aim, its so weird.

[small siren]

*Somehow when I used

to use this mod, it did help

my aim, its so weird.*

- woshee

[wild grove]

Is this a good haiku, my brain says so.

[cobalt spruce]

i mean it kinda is just an advanced aiming guide

[wild grove]

yeah, did help immensely, I think evehud also has a similar thing too but cranked up to 11.

At least back when it had a launcher to edit itself.

[cobalt spruce]

it still do

https://pixelhorizon.pl/eve_hud/updater/

[spring kestrel]

That's kinda cool

I've been wanting to just make my crosshair a massive + for so long

[eternal haven]

I cant find a crosshair that I like more than other ones

I keep changing it

big cross

small cross

big circle

small circle

something else

[tacit flare]

Did they remove the red text in the menu when selecting Gear Grinder that says something along the lines of "This is an expert mission, you should play other missions first"?

Or am I mandela effecting this?

[summer steeple]

doesn't seem like a mandela effect, you probably just meet the requirements to not show it

which is to say, everyone in your party has completed a mission in that tour

here's how it works to the best of my understanding (there's some more code outside of this)
If someone in your party (including you) has not completed a mission in that tour, it will display a warning
If the LOCAL PLAYER (pretty notable if you ask me, it doesn't check the whole party) has not completed at least one advanced tour, it will deny you from queueing and display the following message:
"ATTENTION: Expert missions are MUCH HARDER than advanced missions.
You must prove your mettle by completing at least one advanced tour before you will be allowed to undertake this challenge."

If that last part is not true, it will instead display this:
"WARNING: Expert missions are MUCH HARDER than advanced missions and require all six team members to be strong contributors.
We recommend all players complete an advanced tour of duty before attempting expert mode."

its kind of interestingly done, because it seems like if someone who has completed an advanced tour is the party leader, they can queue you for expert, but if someone who hasn't completed an advanced tour is part leader, it will not let you queue, even if someone in your party has already completed one

[radiant merlin]

did valve fixed the match hud bar bug thing

[tacit flare]

Thank you for this. That is really interesting.

[summer steeple]

I've seen people talk about the fact that chicago is now a server location for tf2, but i haven't seen anyone notice that in the most recent update they also added strings for dallas server locations

(chicago was already there)

[eternal haven]

Dallas is mid

[summer steeple]

@unborn pecan someone is spreading hate about sexas, what is your opinion on this

[radiant merlin]

he's right (real)

[unborn pecan]

Dalls sucks ass

is true

[high current]

Yeh I've never had great experiences with Dallas servers. I guess they'd probably be good for central southern or southern western US residents and residents of Mexico.
But for everyone else I feel like east coast, west coast, or chicago servers just have better routing.

Could be placebo though, I hate Texas

[jagged pawn]

ever since serveme scrapped their LA servers I've used dallas because it's the least bad for the west coast unfortunately

obviously valve servers have more options than that tho

[rare creek]

https://steamcommunity.com/stats/TF2/leaderboards/5860569

[summer steeple]

I feel like I've asked this question before, but is there any reason why valve would decide not to predict something?

like a lot of condition adding isn't predicted and I can't figure out why

but others are and I've literally like never noticed the difference between the two

Is it just to try and reduce load on the client?

[eternal haven]

I would not feel safe being listed here

[left sand]

probably its too hard or creates too many discrepancies

you dont wanna run the whole server game on the client

[summer steeple]

for the most part I don't think it would cause issues

a lot of them are basically just the AddCond call

but I also don't really think that conditions in specific are too much of an issue to be slightly desynced

[eternal haven]

Does the prediction have any noticeable performance impact

[small siren]

*Does the prediction

have any noticeable

performance impact*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[left sand]

yes

[summer steeple]

oh yeah i did forget how prediction works lmao

i forgot it just runs the function several times

[radiant merlin]

valve should make a fastpredict function where it only runs a function twice

[wild grove]

damn ericS isn't even the top supporter.

(eric smith)

[velvet raft]

me encanta lo orejón que es el monito que tienes en tu foto de perfil

https://tenor.com/view/big-ears-cat-big-ears-cat-cat-with-big-ears-gif-27709709

[wild grove]

gracias

[kind falcon]

eric enjoying a freaky fair

nvm he has 100 errywhere

[glass pollen]

Hi, just to rule out that this is a solved problem: Does anyone else get errors like 'shareddefs.h' file not found (pp_file_not_found) when editing source-sdk-2013? I've stumbled upon this in the top-most include in source-sdk-2013/src/game/shared/tf/tf_shareddefs.h. I'm using clangd as an LSP server and running on NixOS, so maybe that is the cause. Or does this also happen on a normal distribution with VSCode?
source-sdk-2013 compiles fine by the way, I've gathered that this happens because source-sdk-2013/src/game/shared/shareddefs.h isn't included in the compile_commands.json put out by vpc/ninja, which is read by clangd to get info about build flags and such. But I'm not really sure how to fix this 😄

[glass pollen]

Ok, got it. It was indeed caused by clang not being aware of shareddefs.h. I fixed it by adding this to my .clangd file:

CompileFlags:
  Add: [ -I/home/my-user/Development/nix-source-sdk-2013/source-sdk-2013/src/game/shared ]

[radiant merlin]

Was the voiceline cutoff fix reverted?

I remember testing it the day vale fixed it, it worked the first time but after that it still cutted off

.

[radiant merlin]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/7243

how

[eternal haven]

Probably just something unstable about his gpu

Bad overclock/settings or hardware issue or power delivery issue or who knows what

With fps uncapped the gpu is stressed a lot more in an empty/listen server than it is in a server with stuff happening where the limiting factor is cpu

For example on my laptop the gpu draws 100 watts in an itemtest server and only like 30 playing a pub

Or maybe bro has the nvidia black screen bug

[radiant merlin]

this was easy to fix

for some reason valve put 0.75 as perfect accurate instead of just 1

vanilla:

[velvet raft]

no thanks

i prefer chocolate

[radiant merlin]

clearly you've never tasted lucuma

[velvet raft]

what even is that?

[mystic anchor]

he didn't respect the sightlines

[radiant merlin]

best flavor ever

[velvet raft]

have you ever taste a good tabaco cigar with coffee in the morning?

[wild grove]

I have a similar issue but it may be due to the craptop with a igpu, but it does also occur in the servers if the game stutters enough violently.

Tf2 classic also started doing this when they introduced vscripting in a update.

I have a feeling it isnt a full on gpu crash though, mine would just freeze the game's display while sound continued running.

[eternal haven]

I don't think it's a tf2 problem

[radiant merlin]

dutch is a language

[shy edge]

These abominations are why even us natives just play in English instead

[oblique tangle]

snipaer

[eternal haven]

Why doesn't b4nny use Mastercomfig?

[rare creek]

he does

[high current]

Pretty sure he uses a customized Rhapsody config. Unless he switched in the last year or two

But he doesn’t/didn’t use mastercomfig because he was used to his config.
Idk what all you have to get used to in a config when you can just tweak cvars. But that’s the reason.

[left sand]

because he doesnt wanna change anything

he tried mastercomfig once when his pc had tf2 freezing issues but since it didnt fix the issue he switched back

he's very strict on if it aint broke dont fix it

it makes a lot of sense at his level

[rare creek]

can we kill b4nny for scamming mastercoms

their picture is still on mannco.store

[eternal haven]

I dont think he really uses any config

It's just like stock tf2 with ragdolls and mat_phong turned off

high settings, 1024x768, msaa 8x

so weird

[high current]

Eh. Regardless of skill level, I think the pro mentality of “it’ll mess up my muscle memory” is flawed. A major reason why they’re so high level is because of their adaptability. No one practices every single flick angle, tracking speed, mouse grip, etc. you just practice the general subject matter enough that your brain knows what to do whether it’s encountered that specific scenario or not.

Ironically b4nny is pretty relaxed about his sensitivity. Way back he used to play with mouse acceleration, the kind that was fps dependent iirc. And he’s said before that he feels like he can switch between any sensitivity he has previously used without issue.

[eternal haven]

It's kinda funny how every tf2 player has like optimized configs and custom huds that try to make information easier to see meanwhile b4nny has his arbitrary settings and default hud and just beats everybody anyways

Idk how he puts up with windows desktop getting messed up every alt tab

due to 1024x768

[velvet raft]

who is b4nny?

[eternal haven]

The best tf2 player in tf2

[velvet raft]

the best tf2 player in cs

[oblique tangle]

i don't think he is the best player

that would be habib

@next nymph notice how habib is arab while b4nny looks like lenin. that's why habib is more based

[wild grove]

kevin minon

[high current]

tbh optimized = tailored. For the most part at least. In b4nny’s case default hud is his optimal hud.

Custom HUDs are entirely personal preference. There’s some theory crafting about what optimal positions for things are and how to convey things optimally (mostly by me). But at the end of the day everyone plays differently and makes decisions on risk/reward given their current information. So even if there was objectively optimal ways of displaying information, the weighting of its relevance would be subjective.

Also in terms of portability, you literally cannot beat default HUD. I know he uses some basic hud modifications for fixes and stuff, id wager he doesn’t bother with them on LAN. Which could definitely play a factor since he has more LANs than any other TF2 player. LAN portability was a consideration for xhud but most other HUDs dont consider it at all.

[oblique tangle]

bro hasn't even bothered downloading the community hud fixes which changes 0 important stuff and fixes so much

[lyric phoenix]

I always thought b4nny's config was just a generic dx8 highframes equivelant with commonly passed around net settings. It slowly morphed into his own config after he needed to update some commands over time to fix some bugs and to dx9 for showing off comp queue and warpaints since he was trying to be an advocate for it.

[cursive peak]

Pretty sure he was on chris maxframes for the longest time and then rhapsody after that.

[next nymph]

i remember one game where clockwork was playing ok and then started popping off and became mvp by the end of the match. He said after that he decided to change his sens mid-match

[velvet raft]

this is so fucking true

https://tenor.com/view/true-absolute-true-true-meme-true-morgan-true-gordon-gif-17696036947574839045

they should give you the true award

[eternal haven]

I guess but having to look to the corners for health and ammo takes your focus away

like it's sort of downright better to be able to get that info without having to move your eyes

[kind falcon]

just dont move your eyes. sit 2 meters away from your monitor lol

[small siren]

*just dont move your eyes.

sit 2 meters away from

your monitor lol*

- weather

[rare creek]

just dont look at your health and ammo

dont take damage

count how many shots you shoot

easy

[eternal haven]

You still have to move ur eyes vro

[kind falcon]

check yo eyes bro

[eternal haven]

They arent good

[kind falcon]

early onset narrow angle glaucoma

[oak canyon]

default hud is goated, the only custom HUD that I use is one where its just the default HUD with the stuff moved slightly more towards the center

https://gamebanana.com/mods/485626

[summer willow]

i really like center hud

its simple and adds some qol things that i miss so much in others huds

[small siren]

*its simple and adds

some qol things that i miss so

much in others huds*

- _jakez

[high current]

TBH at a certain point you just kinda get an idea of what your statuses are based off whether or not you got hit and by how much knockback and flinch you take.
I’d assume after 20k+ hours b4nny would be able to estimate freakishly close.

There’s also an argument to be made that your health doesn’t actually have any relevance in a fight. Before you take a fight it’s relevant in your decision on whether to commit, play your life, straight up leave etc. But if you’ve already committed then your health is essentially irrelevant, you always want to maximize damage output/input, so whether you have 300hp or 10hp you don’t really play any different.

[eternal haven]

Thats not true

At least not universally

[high current]

Granted I still prefer my health and ammo closer to center. But he doesn’t evidentially

[eternal haven]

Lots of times where you'll make a decision mid-fight based on health

or even ammo

[high current]

I mean versus invite players you can’t just turn and run once you’ve committed really.
I guess if you know you’re going to die versus a soldier you can decide to rush them so they take self damage. But it’s pretty rare that you actually decide that

Ammo is more important mid fight. But by now I’m sure b4nny has a good sense of when he’s shot 4 rockets/pipes or 6 scattergun shots.

[eternal haven]

Whats with all these demoknights everywhere

Did some youtuber make a video

Theres like 3 demoknights in every casual game Ive queued for recently

[high current]

When I played Valorant I’d just have my teammates pick a sensitivity within a range of +/- 50% of my current sensitivity.

[velvet raft]

@high current is your pfp a peach?

[uncut spear]

no

[velvet raft]

yes.

[high current]

yeh

[velvet raft]

@uncut spear see?

https://tenor.com/view/peach-goma-gif-21113473

[uncut spear]

https://tenor.com/view/to-the-incinerator-with-you-gif-13126223102409999217

[high current]

what else would it be?

[velvet raft]

just like Dio killing Danny

https://jojowiki.com/Danny

[velvet raft]

https://jojowiki.com/Locacaca

[crisp cedar]

ur rly using CHUD

[cobalt spruce]

no thats a totally diffrent thing
https://gamebanana.com/mods/582156

[rare creek]

chud

[high current]

Wait a second. Heads up design?

It’s a Heads Up Display

[kind falcon]

customized

[slender nexus]

chud fortrud 2

[mystic anchor]

the flick

[eternal haven]

@rare creek Why did the vgui scaling update make the health and ammo in m0rehud bigger

like what change causes that

[rare creek]

font sizes now uncapped

[eternal haven]

So if I lower the font size can I make the text exactly the same as it was pre-update?

[rare creek]

yeah but why would you

[eternal haven]

I like the older versions of m0rehud without all the customization and cfg stuff

but I want the health and ammo to be the same size they were before

[rare creek]

fucking boomer

[small siren]

*but I want the health

and ammo to be the same

size they were before*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[eternal haven]

Bro why does my hud have to toggle mat_queue_mode and do all this con_logfile stuff and all that

it's too much

[rare creek]

bro cannot comprehend changing 2 convars 💀

[eternal haven]

How were the font sizes capped before

Like was there just some max number or does it depend on yres or how would I go about calculating the cap any given font was running into pre-update

[left sand]

144 i think

[eternal haven]

Seems too big

might be 127

[velvet raft]

that's what she said

[high current]

Because it has log-base customizations. Which were developed because people didn’t read instructions and/or got intimidated by notepad, so hud devs just took matters into their own hands and made the hud write its own customizations.

It uses con_logblah to generate the actual code by logging echos. And it has to toggle mat_queue_mode because console output isn’t thread safe.

[eternal haven]

I know bro

I meant I dont want all dat in my hud mod

[high current]

Why not

[eternal haven]

Personal preference I guess

I dont like things having added complexity that I dont use or need

My iq is 69 I like things to be simple

[high current]

You don’t interact with the complexity. The point is that customization is just pressing a button

[eternal haven]

Yeah but it's glitchy and adds complexity for making edits and I just dont want it

[high current]

How’s it glitchy

[left sand]

ah yeah that sounds more correct

wait for comfig huds customization and then all this work will be for nothing :(

[eternal haven]

I don't remember exactly

I tried it when m0rehud 7 or whatever came out and there were some things that didnt get set right

or didnt have their state reflected in the menu or something

I'm sure you could fix things like that and maybe they have but idk I still don't want to use it

[high current]

I just don’t display the state of the menu. I just have max of 4 options and obvious enough ones that if people forget which they have enabled they they’ve probably already forgotten to breath.

Though now fast menu reloads could feasibly allow for selection displaying. Too bad!

[high current]

Please

[rare creek]

applejack is by far the best ctf map

in the game

[high current]

Landfall is pretty acceptable

[velvet raft]

it's okay to like simpler things, don't bring yourself down like that x

you're the best

[eternal haven]

The mid is good

The area by the spawns is kinda meh

But I guess it's no worse than any other ctf map in that regard

[rare creek]

the intelligence room is peak

[high current]

I prefer the ignorance room

[eternal haven]

Isnt applejack kinda busted for soldier

Soldier can take the intel and jump through the window and nobody can chase him

except other soldiers

[velvet raft]

i can

[eternal haven]

no

[indigo flume]

Unrelated to anything too recently but is there a potential fix that someone smarter than me could think of for dynamic thumbnail items (mostly war painted items) having black bars in their icons (loadout menu, freezecams, etc.) at resolutions at/above 1080p?

I've got my own "fix" up on the workshop (more of a workaround, so can't say i'm that surprised it wasn't ever added atm) and sent to Eric but with the latest update it's more or less invalidated until I can figure out funny numbers that work with the latest changes - so, if anyone can figure that out, awesome, don't really care for "muh credit" or something, just it being fixed lol

guess I should give an example, that thing, it was fixable with some small tweaks that made the icons the tinest bit larger (which is what my workshop upload is, more or less), but I figure there's gotta be a way to "actually" do that rather than make icons large enough and likely still have the black bar exist but be "cut off" by the boundaries of the icons or w/e idk how to explain it lol

I'm kinda random with checking any Discord server (maybe I take months, maybe I check in a day, not even I know lol) so ping me or DM me if you got anything, otherwise continue as ever and ignore this 😌

[high current]

There's some kinda fix for it that is documented somewhere, I know it is in the huds.tf discord but I can't recall it

[eternal haven]

For some reason I dont have this problem

on stock hud 1440p

[indigo flume]

It's very random at 1440p in my experience

sometimes yes, sometimes no

somtimes it's there when you launch - go play a match and then leave or something and suddenly nope it's gone lol

at least w/ completely unmodded

[high current]

I don't think I do either. But it only happens with skins iirc, which aren't absurdly common, and it isn't usually 100%.

[indigo flume]

Yeah it's really only with items that have dynamically generated icons, which, for the most part, lets be real, is war painted items

does not happen otherwise

[high current]

TBH most the time I disable that panel all together because the autosizing of the whole panel is broken on custom huds which happens more often

[high current]

Are there any non-warpaint items that fall into this? Maybe the OG strange festive sticky launcher?

[indigo flume]

I don't think that happens

I had a festive sticky for a long while, never saw it

just items with dynamically generated thumbnails

equip a war painted item if you have any at some point in the main menu, ideally with a sheen

you'll notice sometimes the icon has the sheen on it

sometimes it doesn't - it's updated a lot

those sorta things

[high current]

weird

[indigo flume]

lemme try get an example

(watch it not work when i want it to)

[high current]

Maybe its an excuse for me to use some of my decked out skins

[indigo flume]

haha, do what you like

sometimes being the funny no cosmetic scout does wonders y'know

[small siren]

*sometimes being the

funny no cosmetic scout

does wonders y'know*

- lindon

[indigo flume]

i'm going to pretend that didn't happen

ok so, ignore my names and the like, it's nothing special anyway but see

[high current]

I don't actually think I have any scout skins. Scattergun is kinda bleh for skins. But I have a blue mew rocket launcher that I only use if I'm playing against a sniper

[indigo flume]

on the second image the sheens are there

[high current]

I feel like ive seen that on aussies but I could be mistaken

[indigo flume]

Don't got an aussie anymore to test but I don't think they have that

[small siren]

*Don't got an aussie

anymore to test but I

don't think they have that*

- lindon

[indigo flume]

omg

lmao

Maybe if you apply a festivizer to one

that makes the icons do the same stuff as war paints for anything you apply one to (australium or otherwise)

[high current]

Oh yeh I used to have festivied ones

[indigo flume]

yeeee

I guess it's just random overall, I just know this issue is a thing, and I've seen it very often on TF videos (not that I watch many these days)

Whatever fix I had before, won't work on custom HUDs

and given how many people use custom HUDs, alright fair enough

so I'm after one that'd fix it in general

[high current]

The fix has something to do with specific size values on the model panel iirc. I think budhud has a working ish version

[indigo flume]

yep

it's what I did with mine

sec

basically this

you don't need to read it or download it, just skim it and you get the gist

that's what worked for me until the recent update, since it had a position fix for the menus

that I don't see yet but I could be blind tbh

but the values changed overall and so what I had (i.e. above) don't work no more

[high current]

Yeh recent updates have been wrecking havoc on random hud things

Kinda the frontline of source spaghetti archaic magic

[indigo flume]

I hope I can figure out new values for this, just incase nobody else makes a "real" fix for it lmao

not that it was gonna be accepted, but at least for my own use lmao

don't take a shot anytime i end a sentence with "lmao" ok

[high current]

There might need to be different values for different resolutions

[indigo flume]

sec

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3008891469

give that desc a read rq

skim it if you want

i did really account for almost every resolution

or tried to, ofc i'm gonna miss something

[high current]

I know og vgui1 panels would scale with the actual resolution and you could use p sizing to make your panels scale in specific ways for resolutions.
To my knowledge (probably a safe bet) no one has just generally been able to apply that to arbitrary panels. But I'd bet it's possible in some way.

But then you're getting into the realm of hud tech which probably will introduce weird problems that you have to do more hud tech to fix.

[indigo flume]

yup

something I don't know fuck all about, look I can edit some text in a .res file or something else like a .vmt and be a monkey with a typewriter until something works, but i got fuck all past that

and i swear i've seen plenty of people more in the know, not want to fuck with vgui anymore lmao

somebody may or may not figure this out, but i'm sure they'll likely fix more than a black bar

[high current]

There's a reason the huds.tf hud tech role is "monkey brains"

[indigo flume]

ha

fair enough lmao

overall - it's not a really "pressing" issue I'm focused on with anything I'm doing these days but it'd be cool to see some fix overall if and when somebody can do it and Valve say "ok yes very cool, we'll add it in a few months"

(and also stop a friend of mine whining about it, thems the real issues )

[high current]

Maybe I'll do a drunk hud r&d stream again and look into it.
TBH my guess would be looking into the hud parameters you can apply to the model panel that affect the model. IDK why those would have an affect but my guess would be that if sizing it hasnt resulted in a universal fix then something else might be?

Not my field of expertise though

[indigo flume]

I'm down to watch a drunk stream of someone trying to lmao - I'm a little drunk myself right now, so I getchu 😌

We'll see what happens though

They should arguably make the icons HD first, and that's an easier fix smh

"fix"

[high current]

Definitely not tonight. But maybe sometime this week or next week

[small siren]

*Definitely not

tonight. But maybe sometime

this week or next week*

- peachestv

[indigo flume]

If I happen to check this server when you do, I'll be there, even if I say fuck all or anything

[high current]

I'm pretty sure there is a parameter to enable this hud side. It just slows down the item load time a lot

[indigo flume]

Oh yeah there is

"inventory_image_type" "1" or someshit

i kinda figure that in big 2025 if you can't handle that, then it's not the game anymore, and the game has many problems on that front so

I could be wrong!

[rare creek]

why cant valve write good code

[high current]

I think it's moreso an internet thing? Though could be wrong. I'm surprised because I think it loads each model preview individually in the backpack. Because I have like 15 of each item and it loads one at a time, even if very quickly

[high current]

good code doesn't exist.

[indigo flume]

If it's an internet thing, then yeah ok, net issues these days are real to this day and pretty much always will be so fair enough haha

I dunno how to really go about it, but I'm also not Valve, and they've decided to not touch it (likely because they don't think about it these days, fair enough also)

[high current]

I'd bet it is something seemingly entirely unrelated. Tends to be how things go

[indigo flume]

someshit like that is exactly why I hope someone that understands code could maybe possibly (but also maybe, and then also maybe, trust, also maybe, do you get it yet), can go into the SDK stuff and work with it

but I also get what they released doesn't have literally everything, so we'll see what happens

idk

someone'll do it, one day, good enough for me, i just hope it's sooner

i will appreciate them more than they realise, because i suck at that bit

didn't realise it was like 6am my time and i have to be awake really damn soon so I guess that's a me issue and as such i'll shut up for now, if you ever figure it out or anyone else does, lmk (if you remember, no pressure lol, we'll both probs forget this in a day or two at most)

[radiant merlin]

always wondered why this happens

[wild grove]

Idk but its funny though

[left sand]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/pull/618#event-17540899913

[radiant merlin]

noice

why did this got so many likes?

[rare creek]

because there's no potential controversey

no potential to break anything so everyone finds it agreeable and wants it

[wild grove]

What does it mean by gesture

[rare creek]

yeah so people who would normally be on the fence upvote this because this aont break anything

[tacit flare]

Your efforts are greatly appreciated. Please keep it up.

https://youtu.be/E3gRHItszCg?si=qBCO1ENIkKeoGye7

Is this a separate bug that could be investigated?

[radiant merlin]

it's because of the tele's bounding box?

[summer willow]

could we have github notifications fo source sdk?

[radiant merlin]

More

The override thing, it doesn't matter if it's in lowercase right?

[heavy solar]

@radiant merlin has leveled up! (27 ➜ 28)

[small siren]

*The override thing,

it doesn't matter if it's

in lowercase right?*

- ashewiki_tf

[eternal haven]

Because it gives people a warning prior to an engineer doing some dumb shit

[wild grove]

Yeah, it gets my thumbs up.

[velvet raft]

https://imgur.com/a/6y8w5tu

[rare creek]

https://imgur.com/a/6y8w5tu

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/kira-yoshikage-edit-cute-i-have-your-ip-gif-12781328989586748600

@eternal haven

[uncut spear]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/592967

peak has been released

[eternal haven]

Telepawter

[left sand]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/pull/653#event-17543152056

[summer willow]

cool

[tacit flare]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-gif-5057861

[eternal haven]

Should I submit a PR to fix some of the sv_pure issues

[small siren]

*Should I submit a

PR to fix some of the

sv_pure issues*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[eternal haven]

Or would that make people mad

I dont understand why valve hasnt already done it

[left sand]

you should, making people mad is funny

[potent wolf]

that would make people very mad and you should do it anyways because it would be funny

[eternal haven]

There would still be the issue of the vpks

No idea how to fix that

[left sand]

the less exploits the better

[tacit flare]

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[summer willow]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/issues/1249

[rare creek]

look what you fucking did

[left sand]

I already knew that would happen

[rare creek]

evil

[left sand]

I forgot to mention that it would affect taht

[rare creek]

now it's gonna have to be reverted and valve will never accept another pull request to source sdk 2013 ever again

[potent wolf]

epic abi fail

[summer willow]

[potent wolf]

mastercoms is literally trying to sabotage tf2 🙀

[rare creek]

this is like when pete hegseth used signal to communicate war plans illegally

[potent wolf]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/issues/1237

[left sand]

isnt this just a cheat request

[potent wolf]

not really, the linux server has symbols

[left sand]

oh its about sourcemod

[tacit flare]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-omelette-mother-of-all-omelettes-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-gif-23813585

[lean cove]

jarateking's entire public work, eliminated

[next nymph]

nah there are other scope bypasses that i wont publicly elaborate on, cant remember if they're public or not

my big legacy is in transparent viewmodels

[summer willow]

would you source wizards help others people like me to contribute to the sdk? there's a lot of minor stuff that nobody really cares but its nice to change but i dont really understand the codebase so yeah

one example that dont have a issue open is

apparently sentry damage falloff when using the wrangler is based on the player position instead of the sentry

[proper tangle]

just replace whatever getPlayerPosition function the sentry is using for whatever getSentryPosition function is available

quick and ez

2 minute adventure

[summer willow]

maybe

how to setup an IDE to work with the sdk?

[glass pollen]

Are you on windows or linux?

And do you have any preferences for IDEs?

[summer willow]

linux

[summer willow]

anything that works

[glass pollen]

Hmm ok. I'm not familiar with the whole MSVC++ stuff. If you get that to work on linux through wine, you might have a fine out-of-the-box experience, but I'm not even sure whether the sdk is error-free when you develop with it natively on windows.
If you just want to do a small fix and don't care about your IDE throwing loads of errors at you, install VSCode with the C++ extension or CLion. The sdk compiles easily on linux so you should catch any of the errors you make through that

I'm currently trying to get clang working with the sdk, so you could just drop in a clang config and get developing without errors on any linux system, but I'm just jumping from error to error for now 🥲

[potent wolf]

you can just use gcc on linux and everything works fine

[summer willow]

building is not a problem, i can just use the script

i just want the part of IDE which has code completion warning these stuff yk

[potent wolf]

i used vscode but it definitely had some completion issues which I never bothered dealing with

[potent wolf]

turns out i just had to replace sed -i "s|/my_mod/src|.|g" compile_commands.json with sed -i "s|/my_mod/src|<host dir>/src|g" compile_commands.json in src/buildallprojects

theres totally a more generic way to do that but i'm lazy

[small siren]

*theres totally a

more generic way to do

that but i'm lazy*

- replay

[lean cove]

clion

with compile_commands that should work fine

[glass pollen]

Is there an lsp for gcc?

Or what does the C++ vscode extension use under the hood?

[potent wolf]

im using clangd and its working mostly fine

[glass pollen]

Hmm okay, then I might try that and see what changes 😄

[potent wolf]

wait are you trying to build the game with clang or just use lsp?

[small siren]

*wait are you trying

to build the game with clang or

just use lsp?*

- replay

[glass pollen]

Just use lsp in my editor (helix)

[heavy solar]

@glass pollen has leveled up! (4 ➜ 5)

[high current]

I see it was already pointed out to cause crashes. But I wonder what else would be borked by checking if a panel’s parent has CanAnimate = false.

But yeh I guarantee a new hud removal exploit will be found in under 72 hours if it gets fixed.

I honestly don’t think it’s a big deal either way as long as it doesn’t break anything else.
But if it breaks cool stuff then fuck the scope

[radiant merlin]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/7250

watch it. he is gonna say "add a convar so that players can decide..."

[wild grove]

You gonna make me say it on there to troll.

Habahhabahahha

[radiant merlin]

do it hahaha

[wild grove]

:)

[velvet raft]

banana

[summer willow]

cool ig

what can you do

[wild grove]

oh yeah, you can filter disconnect messages

button on the top right of the chat

idk if it affects matchmaking though

]

[radiant merlin]

valve never patched vac banned players being able to join casual regardless right?

[wild grove]

it seems like it's not that, it's just spamming the chat with reconnect disconnect messages.

so a bot in the sense they are prolly scripted to join then leave.

do it over and over so you can CLEARLY see the bot name.

which is a link

the funny thing is that you can filter it, so unless it can stall matchmaking, it's a tech paperweight.

A solution would prolly be to somehow block a player from reconnecting to a specific server after a X amount of joins and leaves in a small amount of time.

[high current]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they were just using the retry command for that

[mystic anchor]

flick

[summer willow]

but why tho

[proper tangle]

because

[tacit flare]

To ensure they make hacking accusations.

[wild grove]

Happened yesterday where in a tf2 adjacent discord server, a user was accusing someone of hacking providing clips, just for me and a few others to dissect em and found nothing out of the ordinary. Then said they were cloak and daggered and they were shot by them on hightower with no other context (not enough to make a solid conclusion because they could've been near spawn and the enemy had free wallhacks from the few seconds of player outlines.)

unrelated to that... I crafted a buck turner's out of the 26 refined I got from the two duplicate sub zero coats I sold.

[cursive peak]

Those have permanently been on my Scout since they came out.

[summer steeple]

sick kicks

[cursive peak]

I went well over a decade wearing nothing but Chuck Taylors.

[uncut spear]

how many liquids in containers have fallen off your desk because of these clips

[rare creek]

shit that's a good idea

[velvet raft]

remove the characters after "?"

[crisp cedar]

its a sharing identifier

[velvet raft]

https://social.mtdv.me/articles/w5duxVpPZe

[left sand]

yes you can't post sharing identifiers here

[uncut spear]

oh y'all are taking that serious

gotcha

https://youtu.be/0pD_NV4o8sI

[mystic anchor]

None, because I keep these on a separate desk

[velvet raft]

i spent all of 2021 without a computer because i accidentally spilled milk on the keyboard while playing minecraft

[uncut spear]

damn 😭

did you still have to clean it up or did you just accept the loss

[uncut spear]

fancypants !!

[velvet raft]

2nd one, i never tried to clean it tbh

but it wasn't that bad, i played ds games and discovered ace attorney

[uncut spear]

based

[wild grove]

I see that some playtesters commented that this isn't like tug of war like the map we saw in scream fortress last year. That its a different take on it, I mean duh, it seems like a mix of payload race with king of the hill's objective of getting the timer to zero.

[mystic anchor]

as for this, i do this because it's so satisfying to hit one

[velvet raft]

specially after class

[mystic anchor]

yes

[summer steeple]

@left sand do you know why the game crashes with your HUD scope exploit fix? I've got a PR i'm working on rn that also makes edits in vgui_controls and I'm concerned that it will cause issues.
I'm also concerned at the fact that it hasn't caused me any issues yet

[left sand]

its because of abi changes that other modules rely on like vgui

[summer steeple]

thats kind of what I figured but I wasn't sure I wasn't just missing something, so I guess the "fix" is just to tell valve to recompile the libraries on their end whenever you make changes to something like that?

[potent wolf]

the real fix is to give me the the full source tree so i can recompile it and make a pr

[high current]

Tbh a more realistic fix would be to do what valve does with item effect meter colors, just force the scope’s position and visibility every single frame.
Not very elegant, but that’d be the Valve way to fix that bug.

[eternal haven]

They should delete the sniper scope

[tacit flare]

They should delete sniper*

[eternal haven]

That way everyone is on a level playing field

[velvet raft]

they should delete tf2

[eternal haven]

True they could delete sniper

[left sand]

that's what they do already afaik

[eternal haven]

Idk if they do it every frame dont they just like move it back once

or how are people moving it

do both people and valve move it every frame ?

[tacit flare]

Why not just simply do a complete rewrite of VGUI?

[potent wolf]

simply rewrite all of it

ez

[eternal haven]

✅

[tacit flare]

Though at that point, just port it all over to source 2 to fix everything.

[eternal haven]

As long as they leave the vpk verification unfixed does it even matter how they fix the sniper scope

If they fix animating it then the weirdos will go edit the material or texture files for it

I think it would be funny if they ban everyone who loads in with modified vpks

[left sand]

yes afaik

though im not exactly sure

[next nymph]

specifically, keep it in an active animation moving it offscreen to get around valve moving it every frame

[next nymph]

removing the scope texture will still leave black bars on the side of the screen, but theres another known method that removes the whole thing and works in sv_pure

[void slate]

On the Valve wiki on DirectX versions page, for the supposed console exclusive dxlevel 98, dxlevel 98 has the the feature of GPU Particle Physics, what does that mean exactly?

If this means that particles are calculated using the GPU instead of the CPU, which I remember being the case for TF2. Couldn't it be a huge boost to TF2 performance if implemented in TF2 PC build?

[radiant merlin]

Just say it lol

What's the point on keeping it secret?

[rare creek]

not letting mastercoms know

[left sand]

i know the method bro

[radiant merlin]

Rules right?

[potent wolf]

niterux wants his cheats to last longer smh my head

[radiant merlin]

Regardless, the hud also disappears when opening the menu so

Free cheats

[eternal haven]

The known method in question: Change resolution to 4:3

[high current]

That hasn’t been necessary from my testing of it. Even hiding it one time while on the main menu hides it for the rest of the session from what I’ve seen

(Edited for less specificity)

Maybe at some point it was more complicated, but it’s veryyyy easy now

[next nymph]

oh? It originally just moved it once but valve patched that a while ago, the anim locking technique was developed first for this because of that

[next nymph]

how else am I supposed to lord it over people? Please think about these things first

[high current]

Yeh I’ve tested it a couple of times with the intention of making it an option only in MvM, and it seems like it persists with just the simplest implementation. Idk why they’d relax the fix, maybe someone did an optimization pass and didn’t know why hudscope was set every frame?

I don’t think the scope overlay is as essential as people make it out to be. Playing against a sniper, you don’t know what the scope covers up so you can’t really play around it, you just play as if they weren’t scoped in, especially cuz any sniper with more than 3 braincells is going to be scanning the different counter sniper spots which usually counteracts the tunnel vision whether they mean to or not.

I get it technically makes sniping harder, but it doesn’t really contribute meaningfully to balance in actuality.

If they did fix scope removal, I hope they add an MvM upgrade for scope removal. Sniper with autorescope + max reload speed just gives me a headache with the overlay. Not like MvM bots care about sniper fov.

[left sand]

i mean having to play around sniper's sightlines is different than the sniper having a higher fov and being able to act on more information

[high current]

Yeh but I’m saying you can’t really be certain a sniper is scoped in. They might be quick scoping for better situational awareness, they might just have fired a shot, they may have just chased off a spy. Even if you peak the sniper to see if they’re scoped, it’s subject to change. I don’t think I ever approached a sniper outside their scoped fov but inside their unscoped fov in however many season of HL I played, it’s just not reliable.

Plus the sniper hard scoped on a single doorway isn’t the sniper that ruins the game’s balance.

Unless they added some form of feedback for where the sniper’s scoped fov is, I honestly think removing the scope overlay would make playing against sniper more consistent.
Scope glint if you’re in their fov would be one way, though not very TF2 style.

[left sand]

no i totally understand that

im just saying

it doesnt matter how YOU play

its also about how they play

if they can react to information or make a shot better due to increased fov, then thats a difference

doesnt matter if youre playing differently or not

[high current]

That’s fair. I just consider it a matter of play/counter-play. IMO balancing one side of that is a little bit muted since even if it does make playing against sniper easier, it isn’t going to feel easier. Like there’s an effect but it’s not a tangible effect. Especially since it doesn’t affect the above average sniper that is the main source of complaints.

At the end of the day, scope overlay is a mechanic in the game, it should work properly. But I also think it should give more feedback to people playing against the sniper.

That or it should be optional, people can use it for immersion or they can disable it for information. Since that would make counter play more consistent with the feedback presented.

Or shoot, they could just do what other games do for sniper balance and remove the scope overlay but make the scoped fov more zoomed so the fov effectively stays the same. Though I think that would get the most complaints.

[rare creek]

I think they should just remove the scope overlay

unreal tournament didn't have one

[potent wolf]

I think they should fix the scope overlay exploits and ban people abusing them

[rare creek]

They could also do what other games do nowadays and have the visual model of the sniper rifle on your screen where the regular fov is used around the sniper rifle and the zoomed fov is on the sniper scope

[rare creek]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3561320/Open_Fortress/

[high current]

I don’t think you can reliably detect them. I know RGL allegedly will check if certain animations run the scope removal. But you can circumvent that if you have the slightest understanding of hud animation tech.

And if you tried to detect it based on players shooting people outside the overlay, I’ve seen someone while unscoped, scoped, and flicked to them without taking the time to move them into my scope overlay before the flick.

At one point I meant to reach out to RGL to offer advice on hud exploit detection. But with how much they struggle to catch aim cheats I didn’t want to give them more to worry about.

[potent wolf]

Well if you're Valve there's a lot more that you can do to check stuff since you have full control of all the client code

so they could start checking stuff, in theory

[radiant merlin]

lambda fortress coming too

[high current]

I think they’d need new infrastructure than what they have now if they wanted to check for that. And if they were going to do that they could just force the scope on

[wild grove]

add a wobble for a few seconds

[high current]

Add a wobble all the time

Sniper firing from the standing position is unstable

[rare creek]

nobody can open this fortress

[high current]

Fortress, can this open nobody?

[velvet raft]

the second team can

[mystic anchor]

flare shot!

[uncut spear]

https://medal.tv/games/tf2/clips/kgJzb0CYo7wNFyMEr

[coarse spruce]

Relaxed in-game chat restrictions for certain accounts hmmm

[rare creek]

fucking idiot

[cobalt spruce]

for f2ps?

[coarse spruce]

I would assume so?

[eternal haven]

Hope so

f2ps cant even call medic

or couldn't?

someone test it :D

[coarse spruce]

yeah dont think they could

could be that they enabled voice commands but chat is still restricted

[cursive peak]

Where it says "for certain accounts", I assume that means accounts that are glitched with the wrong restrictions.

[eternal haven]

:(

[cursive peak]

Like an account that should be unlimited being limited.

[eternal haven]

Idk bro

'relaxed' sounds like not just a bug fix

I wish changelogs weren't always as vague as possible

It seems like everyone is in a big competition to write the most useless changelogs they possibly can. It's so rare to find one that actually summarizes the changes effectively without leaving you with more questions than answers.

[hoary geyser]

F2Ps not being able to talk was what got me to spend a dollar on the game to become premium lol

[left sand]

security related changes are supposed to be like that

so yeah it is a competition to be useless

[rare creek]

this isn't security related so they should disclose what they did instead of being vague

[left sand]

it is because its related to bots

[rare creek]

totally bot related rather than greed related

[potent wolf]

bait used to be believable

[rare creek]

greedy ass company

[potent wolf]

bait used to be believable

did the sdk get updated to fix the abi issue from the scope pr?

[mystic anchor]

axtinguisher

[mystic anchor]

a friend of mine tried it on his alt acc

it changed nothing

still cant voice command

[rare creek]

so they fucking lied

cool job valve

[mystic anchor]

what's up with your aggression towards valve

[potent wolf]

bait used to be believable

hope that explains things

[mystic anchor]

sob

thanks replay

[rare creek]

yeah because the f2p restrictions did soooooooooooooooo much to stop bots!!!!!!!

[potent wolf]

bait used to be believable

[rare creek]

fucking worthless piece of shit company

[mystic anchor]

[rare creek]

so fucking stupid and lazy that their COMMUNITY has to maintain their game for them

[mystic anchor]

[eternal haven]

Dont mind Niterux He's just trolling

[mystic anchor]

duly noted

[rare creek]

"HE'S JUST TROLLING"

[crisp cedar]

try maintaining the same game for over 12 years

id kill myself

especially as a valve dev

[potent wolf]

bait used to be believable

[crisp cedar]

you probably couldnt have given worse examples

[left sand]

it did tho

the rate of name with slurs spam went down a lot

[crisp cedar]

roblox is a child scamming empire that serves slop to children, its a service of many small games
minecraft has changed gameplay design philosophies many times and barely has the same people working on it, also maintained by over a hundred people and owned by microsoft
runescape is ass idk what u want out of me for this one

[mystic anchor]

ok i heard from a solarlight admin

[crisp cedar]

valve isnt interested in game maintenance

[mystic anchor]

F2ps are getting unmuted in waves

it’s actually real

[crisp cedar]

its really that simple and i think valve gave tf2 a lot more than it shouldve gotten

[eternal haven]

I wonder how the muting works

Is it a custom plugin they use on their matchmaking servers?

or is it just part of the game

[left sand]

its part of the game

[rare creek]

controlled by a cvar

[eternal haven]

Ah

and it asks steam I guess?

[potent wolf]

its in the sdk i think

[left sand]

oh they didnt censor it

It's called like

[potent wolf]

GTFGCClientSystem()->BHaveChatSuspensionInCurrentMatch()

[left sand]

thats different

afaik

i think thats the chat suspension you get when spamming

[potent wolf]

gah the other method is censored

well, the callsite is

DisplayVoiceUnavailableMessage

who wants to find the function in the official client i'm too lazy

[left sand]

its CanPlayerTalk?

in tf player

[eternal haven]

Yeah that seems right

plus thats not in the 2017 leak

[left sand]

I remember that being the method

during those patches

i had to figure that out to report some exploits to valve

[potent wolf]

hacker

[left sand]

that uses this

so you right

theres also something thats like

IsLimitedAccount or something

[potent wolf]

the sdk is missing the code that shows the message i guess

[left sand]

not the is IsFreeAccount method they had for F2Ps when the game went f2p

another one that was added in the chat update

[eternal haven]

Wait whats the cvar I cant find any

[rare creek]

i thought there was but i can't find it either

[midnight pewter]

i wonder what the requirements are

https://fixvx.com/DidTF2GetUpdate/status/1922033607419240892

Did TF2 Get Updated? (@DidTF2GetUpdate)

It's still unclear what the exact requirements are to be able to chat. I have a F2P account that doesn't have a verified phone number and only has 40 hours, but it can finally talk and scream MEDIC!!

QRT: DidTF2GetUpdate
A patch for TF2 was released!

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · May 12, 2025, 8:58 PM

it cant be hours played right? i assume its some thing steam checks

[rare creek]

oh

time to spin up my bots again

[eternal haven]

int __cdecl CTFPlayer::BHaveChatSuspensionInCurrentMatch(CTFPlayer *this)
{
  int v1;
  int MatchDataForPlayer;
  unsigned __int8 v3;
  __int64 v5;

  v1 = *((_DWORD *)GTFGCClientSystem() + 0xFC);
  if ( !v1 )
    return 0;
  v5 = 0LL;
  CBasePlayer::GetSteamID(this, (CSteamID *)&v5);
  MatchDataForPlayer = (int)CMatchInfo::GetMatchDataForPlayer(v1, v5, HIDWORD(v5));
  if ( !MatchDataForPlayer )
    return 0;
  v3 = 1;
  if ( !*(_BYTE *)(MatchDataForPlayer + 0x5C) )
    return 0;
  return v3;
}```

[midnight pewter]

what does GetMatchDataForPlayer return

[potent wolf]

its gc side im guessing

[midnight pewter]

i assume a new steam account opening tf2 for the first time will be muted or else something isnt working lol

[eternal haven]

It's just a structure coming from the GC

[midnight pewter]

but now theres new requirements since it isnt just being a premium player anymore

[eternal haven]

Yeah but no way to know what they are

valve just tells you whether a certain steam account has a chat suspension

[potent wolf]

find a server rce and steal the valve ds binaries

actually no that wont work nvm

[midnight pewter]

this gives kind of a lower bound, but i also want someone to test if a fairly old account playing tf2 for the first time is muted as well

[eternal haven]

Niterux stole the GC code

He's sitting on it

waiting for the right time to release

Dont tell anyone though

[midnight pewter]

cause it'd suck if it was based on tf2 playtime

[summer willow]

were so back

[summer willow]

this person is using alternative icons

this should be illegal

btw, a video ranting about alternative icons is what got me into tf2

[eternal haven]

Havent huds been using custom images for ages

[summer willow]

cool right

[eternal haven]

vgui replay thumbnails

[summer willow]

what?

idk what you talking about

[eternal haven]

Yeah people have been doing this for like 15 years

[summer willow]

this is official behind a toggle

[eternal haven]

same with the control point icons and other images and stuff

oh

I thought they were custom

you can put custom ones

[summer willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwO1uAbFYjw

[left sand]

i think theyre fine

[wild grove]

:O - imma kill you fr (joking ofc, i dont really care about this.)

[eternal haven]

The normal icons are super fine

the yellow icons arent great but a 10 min video complaining about them isnt great either

[hidden gyro]

Medic Valve: I didn't say that

[eternal haven]

these icons are beautiful

[floral sandal]

are jiggle bones on cosmetics disabled/non-functional when taunting?

I have "hook, line, and cinder" for pyro and it dosen't flail around at all when conga taunting

[wild grove]

Doesn't say anything on the wiki about it so prolly not?

https://youtu.be/RmCNxNkrrKQ

Yeah no, it supposed to jiggle while taunting.

[high current]

Damn new pull requests got added in less than 2 weeks 🫡

[hidden gyro]

Heavy update soon

[high current]

128 tick servers before CS2

[eternal haven]

I feel like higher tickrate wouldnt be that much of an improvement in tf2

outside of like lan

on lan it's good but online everyone has such high ping that it doesn't seem as important

also I bet a lot of players have times where they drop below 128 fps

idk if that really matters but it seems like it could

[high current]

Yeh I think most high tick rate servers I've played on suck. But I just think it'd be funny rage bait for CS players.

I think getting 100+ fps is easier on comp servers with 12-18 players

[summer willow]

casual is different now with the latest update?

[potent wolf]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/issues/1249#issuecomment-2874819754

[velvet raft]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/issues/1249#issuecomment-2874819754