#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year
rare creek
rare creek
honestly they probably just like switched to another font library or headers or whatever again and that is causing everything
eternal haven
Which is it bro
rare creek
I think they mean there's no need to touch the characters
eternal haven
Anyways it can't possibly be good to have a bunch of people randomly editing fonts to change the names
Just wait for valve to fix bro
summer steeple
welcome back niterux
i was going to respond to this earlier but you left the server while i was still asleep, the missing afxres files means you don't have the c++ MFC and ATL for latest build tools installed
you can add it in the VS maintenance program
summer willow
the process of compiling the sdk requires having the source sdk installed or is just needed to run?
summer steeple
its required to compile as well
since the sdk doesn't come with engine code it needs to link it from dlls that are in the sdk on steam
summer steeple
good question
summer willow
gonna try here and i report later
rare creek
i was going to respond to this earlier but you left the server while i was still...
that seems to have fixed most of the errors but there's still this one and 114 warnings
unborn pecan
i was going to respond to this earlier but you left the server while i was still...
winblows moment
linux conterization dev environments for the win
summer willow
they use podman instead of docker, valve always based
summer steeple
that seems to have fixed most of the errors but there's still this one and 114 w...
never seen that one :/ warnings are normal i think
hoary geyser
that seems to have fixed most of the errors but there's still this one and 114 w...
can you send a screenshot of what stuff you have installed in the visual studio installer?
rare creek
this is the right one right?
rare creek
can you send a screenshot of what stuff you have installed in the visual studio ...
idk how to show all of the components i have installed in the visual studio installer
hoary geyser
screenshot the Desktop Development with C++ category on the side panel, that should be good
rare creek
this is the right one right?
oh it was the wrong one
rare creek
didn't know visual studio even ran on linux 💔
potent wolf
it doesn't, that's why it works
small sirenBOT
unborn pecan
rare creek
hitting the run button isn't working for me
eternal haven
if you used linux it would just work
It just worked on windows for me bro
summer steeple
hitting the run button isn't working for me
build as release, debug is broken (also it has incorrect launch params which is why its tryint to launch the dll but its broken in other ways so its not worth fixing that)
potent wolf
me when rundll32
rare creek
randomly select some function to be the entrypoint
rare creek
ohokay
rare creek
ahh
summer steeple
wtf
eternal haven
it's where you setup all your hooks
Fiend hook ?
potent wolf
yeah
balmy root
@left sand the next mastercomfig stable release will pull changes from which branch? develop or staging?
left sand
staging
burnt dragon
is it possible to host a tc2 server?
eternal haven
should be
eternal haven
afaik you can host one either using the source sdk 2013 base multiplayer client as a listen server, or download the dedicated server and use the server.dll with that
haven't yet tried the latter though
balmy root
@left sand
//net_queued_packet_thread 1 // Queued packet thread
net_queued_packet_thread 581304 // Queue all packets
by the description of this convar:
Use a high priority thread to send queued packets out instead of sending them each frame.
isn't it a boolean value then?
balmy root
<@115180582845153282>
> //net_queued_packet_thread 1 // Queued packet thread
> n...
@left sand
also, regarding r_lightcache_zbuffercache, it seems to provide a performance boost when it is enabled - see https://github.com/Facepunch/garrysmod-requests/issues/2542
maybe we should consider enabling it for all presets (Ultra included)
eternal haven
581304 is a special value
Internally they label it NET_QUEUED_PACKET_THREAD_DEBUG_VALUE
So yeah the cvar is normally used like a boolean but giving it that int value enables special behavior
left sand
<@115180582845153282>
also, regarding `r_lightcache_zbuffercache`, it seems to ...
yes but it makes things lit less accurately
also im not sure if you have to ping me for each message you post
small sirenBOT
balmy root
also im not sure if you have to ping me for each message you post
it's to make sure you are going to see it since there doesn't seem to be a public talk-only-about-mastercomfig-here channel 😅
I'm crafting a PR right now before the new release with some changes of mine
many thanks for the clarifications, coms and x
uncut spear
mcoms is pretty active here tho so
pretty sure you can put stuff in #1019788401588830249 too for it to be noticed as well
there's a suggestion tag
trail harness
does tc2 have every performance improvement from comfig?
burnt dragon
I would love to see tc2 have cascaded lightmaps
yes I am still following my hopes and dreams
left sand
I would love to see tc2 have cascaded lightmaps
unfortunately requires engine changes
true galleon
I think something I'd like to see is the ability to easily drag and drop multiple items in our backpack, with the option to have them drop in the same order or one by one in the unocoppied slots in the page we dropped them. idk if that makes sense (if needed I could make a shitty ms paint example)
also the option to mute the backpack sounds
and idk if this has been suggested before or added already but also that melees don't get blocked by teammates
burnt dragon
I would love to see engine changes on tc2
misty plover
I got bored and now I'm working on a custom ui system
mental scaffold
your dumb
left sand
I would love to see engine changes on tc2
not possible with modding
burnt dragon
I am excited to see how hazard crew will turn out
mental scaffold
by tc2 do people mean team comtress or typical color
small sirenBOT
jagged pawn
I mean in this server they probably mean comtress
but it usually gets used to mean typical colors in other places
mental scaffold
idk
burnt dragon
tc2 means true crime 2
left sand
no where
except in like general usgae
but every tf2 server is like meaning comtress but the more geenric you go the less it is
mental scaffold
sometimes people say tfc they either mean team fortress classic or tf2 center or some other bull 
balmy root
it's to make sure you are going to see it since there doesn't seem to be a publi...
done 🫡
trail harness
seeing as tc2 is increasing default fov, are there any reasons for why default vm fov isn't being raised? 70 is the highest officially supported and I think it matches 90 fov a lot better
balmy root
I believe you would encounter some angry users if you raise the default viewmodel fov
the fov from 75 to 90 is almost an universally agreed change
but not the viewmodel fov
left sand
i mean the whole reason of viewmodel fov is that its independent vs the view fov so i dont see why we should change it
trail harness
that's fair
left sand
i personally really like 54
trail harness
viewmodel fov 70 with kylul animations my beloved
rare creek
what do the asterisks mean in tf2's source code is it roleplaying iwth me?
balmy root
what do the asterisks mean in tf2's source code is it roleplaying iwth me?
I believe it means <anything>pWeapon
so anything that has pWeapon after some text matches
rare creek
no
but that's a great idea for a programming language
someone should make that
programming where all variables are searched at runtime with their names as regex
regal ravine
what do the asterisks mean in tf2's source code is it roleplaying iwth me?
it means that terms and conditions apply
eternal haven
Idk if you're joking or not but it's a pointer
It means rather than storing a CTFSniperRifle, pWeapon stores only a simple value, that value is a memory address where a CTFSniperRifle may be located.
rare creek
It means rather than storing a CTFSniperRifle, pWeapon stores only a simple valu...
oh okay thanks
c is so confusing and archaic feeling...
why did it ever get invented who wanted this
why anyone purposefully make a language where you can create vulnerabilities and shit I will never understand
i know its because 60s computers were pieces of shit so the performance burden of making things safe and bugless was a burden or whatever but ugh
does anybody disagree?
wild grove
Clearly stuff should've been done with assembly, the real muscular person way!
rare creek
i guess c was pretty cool for being basically portable assembly and like also inventing syntax but now everything does that but better
sorry im just venting now or smth i dont even fucking know tbh
i need to be put out of my misery
honestly I hate computers, the world would be a better place without silicon
just even right now, me being here. I make the world a worse place through the use of a computer
but you still refuse to ban me, i will never understand why. i only harm this place
kind falcon
youre mostly harming yourself vro
summer steeple
:)
bicubic lightmap filtering only works on greater than dxlevel 95 (or 90 on linux), dx9 gamers stay winning
sour oxide
Is "Reverse Quantum Crouch" in the game still? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvvUt5vKbWw
rare creek
anyways
i got the sniper charge proxy value to be overriden when you are holding a weapon that isnt a sniper rifle
no idea if it works with other sniper rifles, steam is broken
also no idea if it will eventually cause crashes memory leaks vulnerabilities
idk how c++ works and like deleting things or allocating things or whatever
this alone will allow hud mods to add a custom sniper charge texture but I plan to overhaul this proxy so it returns a number instead of a matrix so then hud mods will be able to do fancy things like tell you how much damage you're gonna do
that would take all of the fun out of it but that's what comp players are about im sure every comp hud will integrate that as a feature to just show you a boring number instead of a meter
@high current do you agree
left sand
Update on mannco.store they closed my ticket by referencing the ToS but I realized that when signing up you are not presented with terms in any way
so therefore their ToS is not legally valid
rare creek
that's cool
misty plover
Update on mannco.store they closed my ticket by referencing the ToS but I realiz...
Whar
Nvm read into it
That's highly illegal 
Like genuinely highly illegal we had a whole legal briefing at my irl job over the rules of virtual items (they're considered the users property in most jurisdictions) and you have to get very very long reasonable warning before you nuke them
Outside of Japan (where virtual currencies specifically must expire in 180 days) you can't just nuke it with a one day notice
left sand
Outside of Japan (where virtual currencies specifically must expire in 180 days)...
it was 7 day notice and only on their site
no email
misty plover
That's not good enough yeah
left sand
also why not just return the items to me through trade request?
literally
if you trade request they get removed from your inventory no?
its in steam's escrow
potent wolf
also why not just return the items to me through trade request?
cause then they cant sell them
kind falcon
if you trade request they get removed from your inventory no?
they stay in your inventory
left sand
well even so seems like a fair practice
MANNCO.STORE: YOUR SITE'S INVENTORY HAS EXPIRED AND YOU MUST ACCEPT THIS TRADE OFFER WITHIN 7 DAYS OR WE WILL HAVE TO REMOVE YOUR ITEMS
eternal haven
MANNCO.STORE: Hey btw we're gonna take your stuff, fuck you :D
small sirenBOT
eternal haven
Which one is more profitable
glass musk
high current
<@90161645854134272> do you agree
The feedback I got from my sniper main friends when I played HL was that they’d rather have the meter because after a few thousand hours it’s easier to just see it out of the corner of you eye based off the size of it and just know the corresponding damage it’ll do.
The idea with xhud’s meter was to still provide that feedback but give newer sniper players clearer queues for where the break points are.
rare creek
The feedback I got from my sniper main friends when I played HL was that they’d ...
im going to also make it so you can make a material that just shows how much damage your sniper shot will do
left sand
if they "gave demo a glock" what slot would it be on?
rare creek
melee
left sand
out of grenades vs stickies
rare creek
grenate
glass musk
mentioned him in a thread instead
rare creek
i just realized something
what
cursive peak
Giving Demo a Glock is based on racial stereotyping?
cursive peak
Sue them over it?
potent wolf
is that worth it
sour oxide
Do you guys know what is the highest polling rate that TF2 supports?
misty plover
if they "gave demo a glock" what slot would it be on?
Grenade, stickies are too powerful, would receive no use
Why would you run gock if the stickies are just so much better™️
left sand
even with damage spread one tapping scouts?
misty plover
even with damage spread one tapping scouts?
Would it be that powerful?
eternal haven
Yes
left sand
would stickies be too powerful for a Glock
misty plover
TC2 unnerfing loch n load confirmed??!?!?!?!!!!
misty plover
would stickies be too powerful for a Glock
I'd still say yes because stickies just have... ridiculous dps for some reason
left sand
hmm alright
misty plover
Would need to be oneshotting medics bare minimum
misty plover
TC2 unnerfing loch n load confirmed??!?!?!?!!!!
(I'm unironically in favor of this btw I think the nerf was pointless)
Uh oh
left sand
demo needs a combo playstyle
misty plover
Yes
rare creek
Do you guys know what is the highest polling rate that TF2 supports?
it supports all polling rates but the processor interrupts will start to cause fps drops if your polling rate is high enough and your cpu is too slow
sour oxide
it supports all polling rates but the processor interrupts will start to cause f...
do you think that a i9900k can handle 8k? (TF2 with mastercomfig low)
oblique tangle
oh mye god i've been playing source sdk 2013 for 5 hours because i used the quit command on tf2c instead of the quit button
wait what is the difference between these two
potent wolf
different versions of source
oblique tangle
but this implies source sdk is the newest because it doesn't have a year label
rare creek
a lot of source games require 2007
oblique tangle
maybe the source sdk is the original 2004 version?
that's the only explanation because all the others are in ascending order
but it's the only one that has a community hub while all the others don't
so idk
sour oxide
you'll probably notice an fps hit
even with a rtx 2080?
rare creek
doesn't matter
sour oxide
Ok, thanks for the heads up!
oblique tangle
do you think that a i9900k can handle 8k? (TF2 with mastercomfig low)
why do you want 8k
i think lossless scaling might work with tf2 so maybe you could try upscaling 4k to 8k
eternal haven
He means 8000hz mouse polling
eternal haven
it supports all polling rates but the processor interrupts will start to cause f...
Btw whatever tf2 has to do upon receiving mouse updates is probably many many times more expensive than the cpu being interrupted up to 8000 times a second to process the hid reports
next nymph
demo needs a combo playstyle
demo does, its stickies into stickies
potent wolf
huh
eternal haven
I think you should just try it
If it doesn't work, all 8k mice allow you to drop it down to 4k or 2k
eternal haven
I don't have any high polling rate mice but I tried simulating a microcontroller whipping the cursor around in circles at 8k hz in tf2 and it works fine on i7 10750h which should have similar or worse performance to 9900k
The fps is lower but it's still plenty playable
sour oxide
how did you made the simulation? Can I try it for myself?
eternal haven
I used a mcu that can simulate usb hid input
sour oxide
yeahh, I like your funny words
I have no idea on how would I setup that
any tutorials?
eternal haven
I don't know bro
Find a mcu dev board with a chip that has built in support for usb hid
Then just look up how to do it
Arduino compatible ones are really easy
You can get actual arduino boards or cheap chinese clones that are the same thing, other arduino compatible options are esp32 from espressif or the teensy line from PJRC
If you want to do something more advanced look into STM32 or NXP chips
potent wolf
idk that's for you to figure out
eternal haven
idk that's for you to figure out
Exercise for the reader
rare creek
what are these diffs of
potent wolf
leak vs sdk
rare creek
no...
they wouldnt remove bogus...
okay bogus still exists in the sdk
241 matches
potent wolf
but their whole claim was that it was taking up space
too much space for too little profit
next nymph
i mean it genuinely might be worth getting a lawyer to draft a letter and hope they fold right there
next nymph
like tf2 items can cost money and if you dont actually go to court over it then the legal fees for just consult + letter might be less
idk how small claims works over internet transactions but thats probably the normal recommendation
balmy root
bicubic lightmap filtering only works on greater than dxlevel 95 (or 90 on linux...
outlines (glows), warpaints, bicubic lightmaps and counting
dx9 gamers staying strong over dx8 gamers
💪
eternal haven
Cool bro Ill take my 500 fps over outlines and lightmaps and ugly skins
potent wolf
i hope they remove the directx backend and force everyone to use shaderapivk with a fixed dxlevel
tacit flare
Spawn wallhacks my beloved
balmy root
i hope they remove the directx backend and force everyone to use shaderapivk wit...
I hope they remove directx 9 and force everyone to use directx8 through ToGL
potent wolf
togl 🙏
balmy root
that's the joke
potent wolf
yeah it'd probably crash instantly
balmy root
next nymph
they should cap framerates at 60 so we dont have to argue anymore
potent wolf
why 60, what about 24fps
balmy root
so many nice things only work on dx9
and they still have to keep this ancient graphic rendering
potent wolf
more cinematic
eternal haven
I set my monitor to 24 hz just for fun and you can actually literally see it scan out
next nymph
why 60, what about 24fps
the human eye can only make out approximately 12 distinct images per second
potent wolf
true
eternal haven
like you can see it draw the top pixels first and work its way down
potent wolf
that's awesome
eternal haven
I mean it's still pretty fast to notice it but the effect is noticeable
next nymph
so itd be even cooler at 12fps
potent wolf
12gps
balmy root
i hope they add DirectDraw rendering to tf2
eternal haven
I think it bugged out if I went much below 20
balmy root
eternal haven
tbh haven't tried it for like a year
potent wolf
software rendering
potent wolf
you made a typo
i hope your stub your toe and it really hurts
potent wolf
FUCK
eternal haven
The fonts in tf2 might be directdraw idk what directdraw is really
potent wolf
i made another typo off to hang myself
balmy root
The fonts in tf2 might be directdraw idk what directdraw is really
directdraw is anything lower than dx8
next nymph
i made another typo off to hang myself
balmy root
fonts are currently rendered by libfreetype and libfontconfig
consistency between platforms!!
lean cove
don't want it going to waste
99% chance it doesn't matter at all
probably 0 difference between 1khz and anything more
just marketing scam
kind falcon
Can a i9-900k run 8khz polling mice in tf2?
8kh polling rate is made to decrease your mices battery life. The big government wants you working more, gaming less.
tacit flare
Wireless mice?
kind falcon
yes thats the norm nowadays
source engine games would shit themselves on anything above 1k polling rate for me
lean cove
saving you money
next nymph
8k polling wmo goated tho
eternal haven
probably 0 difference between 1khz and anything more
There's a noticeable difference in smoothness/regularity between 1000hz and 2000hz mouse on high refresh rate monitors
like 480 or 540 hz
but anything higher than 2000 it becomes super hard to notice
lean cove
I don't have those so they don't exist
eternal haven
some youtubers and stuff have done videos comparing with high speed cameras
oblique tangle
i don't have a car so cars aren't real 🔥
i also think 8khz polling might make source games implode
eternal haven
It seemed fine for me in brief testing with fake 8000 hz
on an old laptop
and it really was 8000 hz
fps was lower in tf2 but still very smooth and playable
What if mannco store has an insider within the mastercomfig community
left sand
idk what did i say that would be held against me
eternal haven
Nothing but they would know it's just a bluff
rare creek
potent wolf
idk what did i say that would be held against me
it was me all along
rare creek
is this possible or no?
fickle dragon
Am I insane or is loading maps slower on mastercomfig 9.12.0? Anyone else tested it?
rare creek
as opposed to what?
fickle dragon
as opposed to what?
As opposed to the current stable version
It's like 5 seconds slower flat
next nymph
oh they sold some of them
i wonder if this makes the case more of a slam dunk or harder to handle
left sand
i think it shoots themselves in the foot
because it says "Mannco.store have the right to delete and remove virtual items that are not priced or listed after three months."
it doesn't say they have the right to retain or sell
i sent them a demand letter
next nymph
my thinking was the easiest resolution would be to just give everything back, but yeah immediately selling them for their own profit removes a lot of doubt
left sand
but we did not know at the time that they had also listed these items for sale themselves
so yeah
this just strengthens the case i think
in any case
stop using mannco.store
they are a bad company
you might be buying items from people they took items from
next nymph
make sure to archive the current site and tos and stuff
eternal haven
Am I insane or is loading maps slower on mastercomfig 9.12.0? Anyone else tested...
I heard some people say that the tf2 update from 2 days ago made connecting to a server slower, Idk if there's any truth to that though
fickle dragon
I heard some people say that the tf2 update from 2 days ago made connecting to a...
I didn't notice anything like this yesterday 
unless it's something sporadic
next nymph
lol
rare creek
so there is no good trading sites for tf2?
left sand
lol
thats actually awesome
i think its actually very transparent that this is their business model
why make like 5% commission when you can get 100%?
i wonder if thats how their key prices are low too
rare creek
cause i know that marketplace and scrap and backpack are run by pedos
eternal haven
Wait why didnt anybody like my funny picture
rare creek
comfig.app/shop when
glass musk
not everything needs a reaction
rare creek
i liked it
rare creek
not everything needs a reaction
wait are you the void pointers that @next nymph told me so much about?
glass musk
yop
eternal haven
i got the sniper charge proxy value to be overriden when you are holding a weapo...
Are you gonna make Niterux fortress?
I will play it
balmy root
neil armstrong going to the moon
kind falcon
Yup i always knew mannco.ru were a bad bunch
whos mannco dot ru
orchid sorrel
Good question
wild grove
a russian redirect to mannco.store?
radiant merlin
when are people getting hacked by downloading a modified version of tf2 with disabled anti rce checks?
potent wolf
what
eternal haven
You could get hacked by downloading a modified version of tf2 period
potent wolf
yeah why the extra step
radiant merlin
tf2 definitive edition 🙀
eternal haven
Also there are probably still dozens of undiscovered exploits in release tf2 right now
rare creek
arent tf2 like aslr'd tho or whatever like isn't actually like rce impossible or something
eternal haven
If you're really paranoid you should enable some of the mitigation features windows provides, or run tf2 in a vm that's isolated from anything you care about :D
rare creek
well it would still crash from my understanding
potent wolf
you can bypass aslr if you have a pointer
eternal haven
ASLR will not make something crash
rare creek
you can bypass aslr if you have a pointer
oh okay
eternal haven
It just makes it so you have to have an info leak to know where things are
or guess many times
kind falcon
You could get hacked by downloading an executable
eternal haven
I mean I guess indirectly ASLR will lead to likely crashes due to failed exploits
but it's not like "crash this program rather than allowing someone to exploit it"
potent wolf
i remember reading something about that
potent wolf
yeah xinput for csgo
eternal haven
Anyways windows has 'control flow guard' settings and 'validate heap integrity', I don't really know how they work but probably those would cause tf2 to crash should they detect issues
rare creek
i have everything except force aslr
orchid sorrel
a russian redirect to mannco.store?
The serious answer is i just call them that because theyre shady like a russian key reseller or something like that
eternal haven
of course linux has similar stuff too, before someone has to point that out
potent wolf
Anyways windows has 'control flow guard' settings and 'validate heap integrity',...
for cfg doesnt the app have to be compiled with that enabled
proper tangle
you know what the pyro needs? The jetpack as a passive ability
pressing jump when airborne to yeet
cursive peak
When it was teased, I was hoping it'd work like Phara's jetpack.
proper tangle
When it was teased, I was hoping it'd work like Phara's jetpack.
there were the glorious 3 days between the trailer and the update coming out where everyone was speculating that the jetpack was going to be a part of pyro's base kit and everyone was excited about it, even comp players theorizing about shaking the meta but then it was revealed as a weapon and it instantly became a gimmick
cursive peak
I was there when it all happened.
proper tangle
cursive peak
If it had the level of control Phara's has, I don't think it'd be quite as much of a gimmick.
proper tangle
Even with the screenshots of the weapon in-game people though it would allow the pyro to hover and the bar was a resource meter
instead it was just a cooldown timer
fiery kindle
the gimmick-y-ness really isnt helped by the fart kill taunt
proper tangle
Now here's the real question
potent wolf
the gimmick-y-ness really isnt helped by the fart kill taunt
the fart taunt is awesome what are you on about
proper tangle
Can we realise this dream? And by "we" I mean yall folks that know how to program in languages that weren't made in a week
proper tangle
the weapon code is there
potent wolf
Can we realise this dream? And by "we" I mean yall folks that know how to progra...
tf2 is written in c++
eternal haven
I think bro was referencing javascript
proper tangle
I think bro was referencing javascript
this
potent wolf
I think bro was referencing javascript
im aware
dapper copper
for anyone dicking around in TF2 UI code, any signs of the old translucent item boxes around still?
proper tangle
I have worked with javascript, java or python through most of my life
cursive peak
I had also hoped the Dragon's Fury would be a little more like incendiary rockets. With a Phara-like jetpack and rockets, bombing Pyro would've been a brutal thing.
proper tangle
not quite my first choice mind you but its what the market here demands
potent wolf
the df is actually pretty darn fun
proper tangle
the dragon's fury is weird to me because unlike demo's or soldier's weapons I can't quite get the sense of range and distance
I don't know if its the particle effect, the animation or what
the feedback is just...
Yikes
potent wolf
oh the particle sucks ass its so big and blinding
left sand
the DF rebalance ruined it
potent wolf
but you only need like 2 or 3 hits to kill an enemy
and its really satisfying to hit your shots
unlike the other flamethrowers
eternal haven
I am mentally scarred by the DF due to 12 pyros with it running at me
from playing casual right after jungle inferno came out
proper tangle
I mean its a neat design mechanic wise, I just don't like the feel of it
eternal haven
Did they ever fix where it lags your game or it still does that?
proper tangle
I believe they fixed it
potent wolf
really?
proper tangle
At least, people would complain a lot still if they didn't
Although I haven't used it in literally years
So I can't confirm
left sand
they didnt fix it
proper tangle
well shit
potent wolf
dumb fuck
unborn pecan
oh hey that's me
potent wolf
drowsy marlin
I need dragons furry
proper tangle
the bait
cursive peak
I want to be part of the DILF Foundation.
proper tangle
what does the dilf stands for?
potent wolf
what does the dilf stands for?
eternal haven
Wait the df does weird lighting stuff even with r_drawparticles 0
I never knew this
It lights up props and stuff
and playermodels too
potent wolf
yeah its a dynamic light for whatever reason
eternal haven
Is that why it lags?
rare creek
Is that why it lags?
no the reason it lags is because it stacks a bunch of transparent particles right on top of eachother right in your face causing insane translucent pixel overdraw
potent wolf
no
proper tangle
No we are just reminiscing the original dream and some of its issues
summer willow
btwwwwww
i don't think it needs the source sdk 2013 installed to compile the sdk
on linux at least, it compiles inside a container and it doesn't mount or bind any directory outside the source code and ccache
just a note whatever
summer willow
valve lied to us
eternal haven
it's just needed to provide the source engine when actually running the game
potent wolf
it's just needed to provide the source engine when actually running the game
erm actually its not needed at all
eternal haven
erm actually its not needed at all
nerd
I wonder if I should make an alt steam account and test if you get vac banned
for using the tf2 sdk client in live tf2
seems like a lot of effort just to probably never even get vac banned
potent wolf
@modereater
radiant merlin
does the game accept custom eject shells in weapon data?
just like custom explosion particles?
wild grove
Ugh idk how to explain it but its related to model files I think. Because I've seen mods that use custom shells like the pistol enhancer and the smg eject.
eternal haven
does the game accept custom eject shells in weapon data?
I have not tried but I see no reason it shouldn't
you could probably even get them to work in sv_pure by placing the models literally anywhere (besides the checked folders) and the textures in vgui/replay/thumbnails, similar to how some of the 'casual compatible' mods are made
grim parcel
eternal haven
I have not tried but I see no reason it shouldn't
By changing BrassModel in the weapon script I was able to make shotguns eject minigun shells instead
radiant merlin
oh yeah it works now
eternal haven
I think in theory you should be able to change it to any model anywhere
which would allow both using custom models and using them in pure servers
radiant merlin
i was asking because i tried it before and for some reason it didn't work
misty plover
comfig.app/shop when
Make it in rust using cloudflare workers so you can advertise it as serverless and memory safe for investor funds
potent wolf
rewrite comfig quickplay in rust and use wasm to run it in the browser
left sand
udp support when
rare creek
tf2 on quic
potent wolf
udp support when
it's on google...
left sand
i dont do fake standards anymore
potent wolf
what would you need udp for anyways
pinging all the available servers from the browser?
left sand
yeah
which is what the tf2 client's quickplay does
and the server browser
i mean i do like my solution to the restriction
potent wolf
make it part of comfig 10 powered by fiendhook
left sand
because it makes quickplay nearly instant
eternal haven
tf2 on quic
How do I learn the details of QUIC
Usually I would look at the wikipedia page but the wikipedia page for QUIC is ass
potent wolf
read the spec idk
potent wolf
put subway surfers gameplay in a split window beside it
potent wolf
oooh thats nice
left sand
but its basically just
we made tcp again
but no actual streams
because mobile networks are shitty
potent wolf
should've done http over netchannels
left sand
gamenetworkingsockets > quic
misty plover
Quic is pretty good for most purposes
It's overhead is lighter than tcp so if you want tcp you should prefer quic but otherwise
potent wolf
the gcsdk library that's in the sdk has debug symbols that's neat
left sand
wtf lol
potent wolf
full types too it's not just function names
oblique tangle
what doed thid mean
left sand
comboing as in flares
oblique tangle
demoman shield charge + sword crit combo
sticky + loose cannon double donk combo
??????
cursive peak
Sticky into air pipe isn't a sick enough combo?
tacit flare
Today I shall enter the Spy's melee range. (Clueless)
oblique tangle
Today I shall enter the Spy's melee range. (Clueless)
mcoms should hire me to test the stabs in tc2 imo
north void
alright ever since the latest patch tf2's performance has tanked
small sirenBOT
north void
like I went from 200~ frames to like <60 frames after
Ive even lowered my config settings and it hasnt improved
rare creek
Im starting to worry that team fortress 2 classic wont actually bother porting their codebase to the new sdk, they havent made any blog post on it or anything, wtf
oblique tangle
Im starting to worry that team fortress 2 classic wont actually bother porting t...
north void
okay after a bit of testing
it turns out that vulkan was killing my frames
using dx im getting like 180-190 fps consistently
vs vulkan with like 50
idk how that's even possible
wild grove
Are you on linux or PC?
wild grove
odd.
north void
9800x3d + 7800xt
even with a lower config and using d3d 9 im getting lower frames than before the update
rare creek
why didn't they say that anywhere on their website or their public social medias
wtf
is discord just the default way to do fucking everything now
to announce shit
small sirenBOT
rare creek
wait for a graphics driver update
oblique tangle
any ideas?
don't use vulkon
north void
don't use vulkon
im still getting crazy low 1%'s without vulkan
oblique tangle
im still getting crazy low 1%'s without vulkan
shader stutter idk
shouldn't happen with dx9 though
north void
there is some weirdness
like when I alt tab sometimes it becomes smooth again
until i alt tab another time
I have no idea whats going on
sometimes its smooth when i look around
other times its choppy
i dont think its even a frame rate issue
when i crank my resolution all the way down and im getting consistent frames its still choppy
fickle dragon
Am I insane or is loading maps slower on mastercomfig 9.12.0? Anyone else tested...
False alarm on this one, went back to 9.10.2 and it's still happening. Something strange about TF2's latest update I guess, when I played on the current update on day one, it seemed fine.
next rain
False alarm on this one, went back to 9.10.2 and it's still happening. Something...
Try checking file validation or something
fickle dragon
Try checking file validation or something
I did, all files successfully validated
north void
yeah even using a high preset config doesnt change my performance on directx mode
but im not getting a smooth display
running 180hz display btw
radiant merlin
i can't believe we live in a world where tf2 has the no border option in the settings
radiant merlin
zzz
rare creek
💔
radiant merlin
fov higher than 90 breaks maps
rare creek
stop making bad masp
radiant merlin
it's not even bad maps lol
rare creek
good mappers make everything at 45 degree angles so you can't get close to any walls
soft soldier nerf
rare creek
fov higher than 90 breaks maps
what about 100 fov
eternal haven
It doesn't really have to do with the actual angle does it?
Like with an ultrawide monitor on servers that allow it you can have 138 degrees horizontal fov and it's not broken, right?
I mean you could go wider too but that's just what a 32:9 aspect ratio gives you, 138 or 139 degrees with fov_desired 90
Maybe it does break the rendering still idk
I guess if you go wide enough it does break stuff regardless, 48:9 for example
rare creek
I guess if you go wide enough it does break stuff regardless, 48:9 for example
is this tc2 or tf2
eternal haven
i think other games put black bars outside the allowed max fov
tf2 just puts a cap on your horizontal and starts restricting vertical
unless the server allows you to have unrestricted
sv_restrict_aspect_ratio_fov is the setting
most competitive servers restrict you in both fullscreen and windowed mode, most non competitive servers restrict you in windowed mode only
rare creek
tf2 but I don't think it would matter
tc2 changes the default setting for the restcit asect ratio
eternal haven
Ah
to 0 or 2?
I guess 0
tbh I don't even understand why they made any distinction between windowed and fullscreen for it
on most systems it's just as easy to use a custom fullscreen res as it is to use a custom windowed one
zealous pond
I guess if you go wide enough it does break stuff regardless, 48:9 for example
Yeah I can see through some walls with my multi-monitor setup like this. Pretty neato.
All games should permit hardware-based advantages like this.
eternal haven
Hop on Wide Fortress 2
wild grove
jesus christ
zealous pond
Best way to play.
eternal haven
If you put your tf2 in 16k res, three screenshots = 1 GB
kind falcon
Cool
radiant merlin
north void
actually I think i know what can cause the choppy frame rates
heavy solarBOT
@north void has leveled up! (7 ➜ 8)
naive prawn
does tc2 download another copy of all game assets like maps, i dont have much disk space?
left sand
TC2 is 46MB
potent wolf
There isn't currently a linux build, but you can compile it manually yourself
just follow the instructions at https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013
summer willow
it changes running through the executable to running as a sourcemod?
naive prawn
any idea how long that might take?
summer willow
any idea how long that might take?
not too much but will depend on hardware
rare creek
install this to run team comtress 2 on linux https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11
summer willow
no
potent wolf
install this to run team comtress 2 on linux https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sof...
why are you recommending ai slop
naive prawn
ew
summer willow
not too much but will depend on hardware
you can also cut time removing hl2dm
rare creek
why are you recommending ai slop
it's healthy and nutritious
potent wolf
:\
grim parcel
There isn't currently a linux build, but you can compile it manually yourself
we must setup ci replay
summer willow
do ccache works?
grim parcel
inside the container yes
grim parcel
sccache on top
summer willow
yeah but once its compiled theres nothing in .ccache
potent wolf
we must setup ci replay
yeah but im not paying for actions
grim parcel
it's free?
potent wolf
i dont think the limits for free will fit
eternal haven
I think it would work
summer willow
yeah but once its compiled theres nothing in .ccache
because of that i removed both mount and env but then it doesn't work for some reason
eternal haven
There's lots of big projects that use github actions free
potent wolf
big as in storage size?
yeah
eternal haven
big as in lots of code to compile and big storage size
grim parcel
you can get linux runners to ~20gb+ easily
potent wolf
mixed messages 
eternal haven
Idk they really don't make the limits very clear
Is the storage limit for artifacts or for build process?
And does it include code?
I guess they only really say artifacts
eternal haven
Is it really that big?
potent wolf
im in bed now so i cant check but its pretty big
eternal haven
I think on windows it was like 240 mb including pdbs
for the client and server and that weird shader thing and the launcher
small sirenBOT
naive prawn
Running script inside registry.gitlab.steamos.cloud/steamrt/sniper/sdk:latest
Trying to pull registry.gitlab.steamos.cloud/steamrt/sniper/sdk:latest...
Getting image source signatures
Copying blob a38821df287b done |
Copying config 720b8a492d done |
Writing manifest to image destination
Error: statfs /root/.ccache: no such file or directory
???
potent wolf
mkdir ~/.ccache
eternal haven
U could probably just remove it from the sdk_container script too
I don't think it even uses it
Does it use it?
summer willow
because of that i removed both mount and env but then it doesn't work for some r...
.
potent wolf
mkdir ~/.ccache
also use rootless
eternal haven
oh
potent wolf
does it?
eternal haven
I don't think it actually does anything with it
but from what jakez said sounds like it needs the env variable set anyways?
Idk when I ran it on linux it didn't put anything in my ~/.ccache
naive prawn
Running script inside registry.gitlab.steamos.cloud/steamrt/sniper/sdk:latest
ERRO[0000] IPAM error: failed to get ips for container ID ceb5635da7d419e5c4a3209e9f8460435883201a8f663eba131cd8c123dc1604 on network podman
ERRO[0000] IPAM error: failed to find ip for subnet 10.88.0.0/16 on network podman
ERRO[0000] Cleaning up container ceb5635da7d419e5c4a3209e9f8460435883201a8f663eba131cd8c123dc1604: removing container ceb5635da7d419e5c4a3209e9f8460435883201a8f663eba131cd8c123dc1604 network: netavark: IO error: no static ips provided
Error: netavark: create bridge: Netlink error: Operation not supported (os error 95)
now what
summer willow
but from what jakez said sounds like it needs the env variable set anyways?
actually i might have made a mistake doing so
eternal haven
```
Running script inside registry.gitlab.steamos.cloud/steamrt/sniper/sdk:lates...
Erm what the linux
Wait does it even need networking
Or does it have everything needed?
eternal haven
Well yeah but you can probably just pass some argument to disable network
If it's not needed
to work around this
naive prawn
or i mean extra repo
ok yeah I added --network=none to the script and its working now
eternal haven
Hopefully it doesnt need internet for anythng
naive prawn
surely it wont need to phone home to valve
summer willow
good to see the podman page on archwiki
naive prawn
4 minute build
naive prawn
AHH STARTUP MOIVE JUMPS CARE
grim parcel
this is for the cache i'm pretty positive
this is not the storage space on runners
you're not looking at the right page
eternal haven
Yeah
People said runners have 25-29 gb disk space apparently?
Idk if that's old info or still current
grim parcel
that's about it yeah
grim parcel
you should also be able to get around any artifact size limits by building it in a container
:)
naive prawn
do i need to remove mastercomfig like before?
eternal haven
I think it should be fine to keep it
mastercoms put some of the settings from mastercmofig in the config files for tc2 and maybe she changed some defaults idk
but for the most part mastercomfig should still work in tc2 fine if you want to use it
left sand
i wouldnt recommend it but its okay
eternal haven
why not ?
potent wolf
because you should be using gamerconfig
mystic turtle
why not ?
Isn't comfig, like, tuned specifically for TF2
so with the addition of TC2's optimizations and changes some of the usual settings might actually tank performance
or at least that's the explanation I recall
left sand
well for one the tick rate in tc2 is 64
eternal haven
Okay but that should be no problem
left sand
then 2 i dont want people using graphics configs atm so we can test things and make better defaults
eternal haven
understandable
eternal haven
Okay but that should be no problem
presumably sv_maxupdaterae 64?
eternal haven
Isn't comfig, like, tuned specifically for TF2
so with the addition of TC2's opt...
well for the old comtress that was more true, for this one it shares most of the engine with tf2, they're identical in that respect
so for the most part mastercomfig works fine in it, but I guess like mastercoms said there are some differences and she doesn't want people using graphics configs for testing
left sand
depends on what you mean by engine its different
eternal haven
plus some of it is redundant
left sand
theres still a lot of differences in the client rendering code and will be more
naive prawn
erm
eternal haven
most of it will work the same
heavy solarBOT
@eternal haven has earned the Level 3 role!
eternal haven
some of it is redundant
a tiny bit is different
and mastercoms doesnt want people using it
I think thats the summary ?
eternal haven
Wait they finally fixed fps_max wtf
You can change it while connected
Description is still outdated but finally you can change it
eternal haven
What I don't understand is how someone could remove the FCVAR_NOT_CONNECTED but not also spend 1 second changing the description that's literally on the same line
cursive peak
On the utility side of things, think it'd be worth it to create a mod specifically to aid in development of HUDs?
rare creek
just update team comtress 2
potent wolf
On the utility side of things, think it'd be worth it to create a mod specifical...
that seems like a neat idea, what kind of features are you imagining?
radiant merlin
Will serverme die now that everyone can easily make their own server?
left sand
make what server?
one where you're local and on your home internet?
at least for comp, i dont see it dying
i wasnt aware its used casually and funded by that
rare creek
serveme probably has better routing and whatever
same with any server service
so for comp it's not going to die
cursive peak
It was always fairly easy to make your own server? Guides all over the place on setting up a dedicated server + SourceMod.
eternal haven
Plus this functionality was already in tf2
They just added a button in the menu but you could already -enablefakeip for a year or two now
Nobody's gonna play competitively on some player's listen server, this will have no impact on serveme
oblique tangle
that seems like a neat idea, what kind of features are you imagining?
toonhud
balmy root
install this to run team comtress 2 on linux https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sof...
be based, use https://nixos.org/ as @potent wolf does 😎
glass musk
Ray traced TF2 with RTX Remix
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133959564824424458/1342451013465931796/Team_Fortress_2_Screenshot_2025.02.21_-_04.01.39.55.png?ex=67baffef&is=67b9ae6f&hm=3e3e8f028e6b8da06c839b143018e6a29c929dcabe57aba2643fba663caa07d1&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133959564824424458/1342436086768603169/Team_Fortress_2_Screenshot_2025.02.21_-_03.01.19.61.png?ex=67baf208&is=67b9a088&hm=08e2c0594767d400007a3d00c066432e4650eef832eda006d317c3c7ff4b43a4&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133959564824424458/1341829363464671252/Team_Fortress_2_Screenshot_2025.02.19_-_10.51.58.25.png?ex=67bab73a&is=67b965ba&hm=e7fdff5f28c49ca8a8870e14a4301c8534b0158a884386b1d03ada8f0785e293&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133959564824424458/1341739101572825099/Team_Fortress_2_Screenshot_2025.02.19_-_04.53.18.81.png?ex=67bb0bea&is=67b9ba6a&hm=ce59f2c8a50a8008b140f838396342c1a7c8701d6cce20eb0603fa53d0580bbd&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133959564824424458/1342453187063578686/Team_Fortress_2_Screenshot_2025.02.21_-_04.10.48.97.png?ex=67bb01f5&is=67b9b075&hm=a3ebfe8d96ee42e21e733c5c1534f5422bcd262c12b652b418ab1953e258849f&
balmy root
source 2 port when?
misty plover
Gorp
misty plover
Ray traced TF2 with RTX Remix
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133959564...
Huh, that looks surprisingly good
The UI is pretty messed up though lol
glass musk
there is definitely potential
summer willow
misty plover
Thats just a spy burning to death ignore it
rare creek
Ray traced TF2 with RTX Remix
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133959564...
me if i hated my framed rate
misty plover
Ray traced TF2 with RTX Remix
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133959564...
Also, I thought RTX Remix wouldn't run with tf2?
rare creek
1 fps gameplay
misty plover
Binary Space Partions are actually suprisingly cheap to raytrace on
rare creek
then why does portal rtx run like shit on my rtx card
small sirenBOT
misty plover
then why does portal rtx run like shit on my rtx card
Cause its poorly made?
rare creek
hmm
glass musk
Also, I thought RTX Remix wouldn't run with tf2?
the dude is running on latest build actually
but 32-bit
misty plover
A BSP is a form of BVH (more or less) which has dedicated hardware (allegedly) on RTX cards
glass musk
then why does portal rtx run like shit on my rtx card
because it's path tracing
full ray tracing
burnt dragon
Ray traced TF2 with RTX Remix
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1133959564...
WAIT THEY MANAGED TO MAKE IT WORK AGAIN?
glass musk
better than nothing
eternal haven
I mean it's not really downgrading is it
current tf2 on windows still has both 32 and 64 bit versions
burnt dragon
that version is insecure
potent wolf
that version is insecure
wat
eternal haven
I think maybe they mean most people forget to launch it with -steam?
burnt dragon
with rtx?
eternal haven
I mean maybe it would work with rtx remix i've never tried it
burnt dragon
suggested that to the person that was messing around with rtx
glass musk
it cant join secure servers with vac
you wouldn't want to do that anyway
eternal haven
^
glass musk
unless u want to get vac banned
glass musk
its not a reshade
burnt dragon
its technically a reshade
glass musk
and using reshade still bans you
burnt dragon
does it?
eternal haven
Is there any way to use it without installing this nvidia app bloat ware
glass musk
Is there any way to use it without installing this nvidia app bloat ware
I don't think so
probably
burnt dragon
Is there any way to use it without installing this nvidia app bloat ware
nvidia app is needed to modify it, you can just install the dxvulkan stuff and it works
those exist on github
burnt dragon
as far as I know, yes
just checked and you're right, bummer
wild grove
Is there any way to use it without installing this nvidia app bloat ware
yes you can, freaking forgot what the name for it is though, fudge!
eternal haven
Well I got it to be loaded by 64 bit tf2 but when I try to open the rtx menu thing with alt x it crashes
kind falcon
and using reshade still bans you
soruce?
eternal haven
engine
glass musk
3 when
rare creek
gold
oblique tangle
radiant merlin
could anyone check if they have a "user.scr" file in their cfg folder pls?
weak moth
could anyone check if they have a "user.scr" file in their cfg folder pls?
I have one here. What's up?
radiant merlin
I had one too. I recently deleted it, verified cache and it wasn't redownloaded
That file is the advanced options menu, but i guess it fallbacks to user_default.scr
weak moth
I had one too. I recently deleted it, verified cache and it wasn't redownloaded
I could send mine in a DM, if it's ok with you
eternal haven
I had one too. I recently deleted it, verified cache and it wasn't redownloaded
That's normal isn't it?
It's not something that's downloaded, the game creates it
radiant merlin
I guess so
Im creating an updated adv options menu, i know why it wasn't working now
yeah, it's there now
radiant merlin
kinda pointless file, it's supposed to save your options but commands already do that
lol
eternal haven
The new prediction changes might be abysmal dogshit
First time playing after the update and the game is not feeling good
rare creek
what
eternal haven
Im playing tf2 for the first time since the update on the 18th
and it feels really bad
like 30 ping feels like 90, melee hits missing, not good
maybe SDR is just lagging rn, I'm playing casual
small sirenBOT
eternal haven
getting shot behind walls, shooting people behind walls
rare creek
getting shot behind walls, shooting people behind walls
this isn't affected by prediction
eternal haven
this isn't affected by prediction
idk what all changed
either my internet is bad or the servers/sdr or bad or the game changed
rare creek
i havent noticed any difference in networking
summer steeple
there's some pretty sick PRs on the sdk already
ficool on a roll (probably had all these changes built up for years emailed to valve that didn't get added yet)
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/pull/718 (Add colored console chat history)
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/pull/679 (Fix memory leak from unreleased script variants)
other people also got smoe great ones in too
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/pull/698 (Add NetProps preventing Hale from earning Heavy achievements)
glass musk
like 30 ping feels like 90, melee hits missing, not good
oh no
does this mean I can no longer play with 100 ping
summer steeple
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/pull/706 (Add FCVAR_SERVER_CANNOT_QUERY to cl_disablehtmlmotd)
this one is really nice, prevents shitty servers from kicking you if you have html motds disabled since they just can't check if its set or not
potent wolf
other people also got smoe great ones in too
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/so...
i spy with my little eye
broken demos
summer steeple
hm i didn't consider that
I wonder if there's a better solution
maybe a vscript function that just sets an internal variable rather than a netprop
rare creek
broken demos
why would this break demos
potent wolf
datatables
potent wolf
did oyu test it
no but i assume it did because it added new netprops
and old demos wont have them
so the game will reject them
anyways i guess its not like it matters we'll just need another branch
rare creek
so the game will reject them
why?
rare creek
@mcom please fix this patch engine.dll immediately
eternal haven
Yeah idk you guys should see how the game feels
Cus it's feeling like straight dirt to me rn
It could be my connection tho
summer steeple
yeah I don't see why this would need to be a netprop tbh
hm well actually looking at the achievement and stat code I didn't realize how much of it actually is on the client's end
like obviously the server does the final validation but they get stats from the client
and in this case the idea is to have it be editable on a per player basis
so maybe it does have to be a netprop
rare creek
gwell if it valitaded by the sever couldnyt ou just change the valitdation
summer steeple
maybe
left sand
tc2 feels great and it has the prediction changes
glass musk
It could be my connection tho
try connecting to a VPN
get mullvad and then ask for money back
summer steeple
diffing a file since I wanted to port a change I made at one point to the new SDK and i noticed hte line numbers didn't match up
they removed the staging only building targeting for mediguns (its green cause i fucked up how i did the diff)
the functions still exist but they've been completely cleaned out
version from what the old version of tc2 i have downloaded still
unborn pecan
Hey
What cvar do I use to disable steam networking
nevermind I got it
sv_use_steam_networking 0
eternal haven
Kinda weird they have the default settings set such that when you type map in console it makes a server that anyone can connect to
and publishes it to server browser
people could probably fuck up your game if you typed map in console and had sv cheats on
wild grove
`sv_use_steam_networking 0`
There's also a checkbox in the create server menu.
kind falcon
people could probably fuck up your game if you typed connect in console
potent wolf
people could probably fuck up your game if you typed connect in console
yeah... they just need an rce vulnerability...
kind falcon
you dont have one?