Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[summer steeple]

wait am i stupid? does this check if the material has no bumpmap OR has treesway enabled? wouldn't this just mean that every vertexlitgeneric material that doesn't have a bumpmap would use treesway?

[eternal haven]

I think for sure I played swiftwater and koth_overcast_final

can't remember if other maps were in the same game session or previous

[summer steeple]

wouldn't have been either of them unless overcast is more fucked than i realized

i wonder if shader constants get reset between loads?

cause if they don't that might cause it idk?

like it tries to read if treesway is on the material, and it isn't on suijin, so it just... ignores the constants it uses, but they're already set

[eternal haven]

Maybe it was just a weird bug with the old mac client

I don't think I played any other of the maps with detail sway

[small siren]

*I don't think I played

any other of the maps

with detail sway*

- ឵

[summer steeple]

no I don't think so, cause I remember seeing a similar bug in csgo

on windows no less

hmmmm and in the shader itself if treesway isn't enabled it never calls the ComputerTreeSway function, so if its using old data, like old model locations, or if it just is using invalid data that could cause fucked up things to happen

maybe if this could be reproduced you could put it on the issues repo for no one at valve to fix

[eternal haven]

Dear 0 people who work on tf2 I was playing on a year old version of the game on a platform you don't support and the tress started moving funny pls fix

[summer steeple]

I mean if its not mac only it could be fixed for the rest of us

[small siren]

*I mean if its not

mac only it could be fixed

for the rest of us*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

thank you for your sacrifice

[wild grove]

Halloween 2024 was the first time I can actually play the halloween maps from 2020-2024.

and I gotta say, wow even with all the map updates, soul mill stinksss

[small siren]

*and I gotta say,

wow even with all the map

updates, soul mill stinksss*

- woshee

[eternal haven]

Feel like a lot of the maps they've added recently just aren't up to the standard of the older maps

A lot of them look nice but they don't really match the tf2 art style and they don't really play well

[wild grove]

There's some stinkers thats for sure.

I enjoy most of em though

til I lose a game, then I dont

then enjoy em when I win, repeat til I die

Before anyone says, I enjoyed embargo, even playtested it when it was on tf2 maps.

[eternal haven]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/4337599680251177647/

[wild grove]

Jesus christ 2020 halloween, playing most of these maps are hell, moldergrove is the best one out of these 4.

I have nightmares of megalo in my sleep.

[summer steeple]

"rose leaves"

[wild grove]

2021 is mostly bangers, just the absolute worst of ICS and I have a massive skill issue with graveyard's contract, tip, play as heavy if you aint super skilled at staying alive with other classes.

[wild grove]

Im gonna continue going til I reach 2024 btw, valve really trolled with a terror reskin and obvious beta map back to back, but we got some epic good year round maps, and a nice smissmas only map. Have nothing for doublefrost, its just there.

Wtf

Bruh

[summer steeple]

honestly this kind of isn't just for maps but whenever i see people talk about "the tf2 artstyle" and how things don't match I just like... don't get it

[eternal haven]

I guess what I mean is you can tell they're new maps

[summer steeple]

especially with maps, I feel like its the same sort of thing that happened with csgo, as the game gets older and hardware gets better, and more people touch the game, of course its bound to change

[eternal haven]

like just by looking at them you can tell they weren't added to tf2 5+ years ago

[next nymph]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0YfRbNipdOg

[wild grove]

Valve devs in a stream jokingly said that they judge the eras as pre and post banana hat.

[eternal haven]

idk how to describe what actually looks different about them

[summer steeple]

people are pushing the engine further, both because valve is giving people more tools to do so, and because hardware is getting better

[eternal haven]

from the older maps

[small siren]

*idk how to

describe what actually looks

different about them*

- ឵

[unborn pecan]

FUNKe reference???????

[summer steeple]

I do, dustbowl is flat and has overblown lighting, phoenix is saturated and has a ton of props

the duality of desert maps

you can compare the sort of shift in artstyle, or at least technical fidelity with csgo too, not even including cs2

compare dust 2 at launch to the like... what 2 remasters they did?

[unborn pecan]

yeah

[summer steeple]

in terms of fidelity and engine understanding alone, the difference is staggering

• treesway, as mentioned earlier
• displacements for nearly all the surfaces to take advantage of speed and blending
• static prop combine lets them get away with more props while getting more speed anyway
• CSM for sharper shadows

etc.

in tf2 we have treesway now, displacements for everything isn't common but is possible, and static prop combine is also starting to become more common

plus of course the people creating stuff are just getting more experienced as well

[wild grove]

To continue we got another two stinkers, ghoulpit with the asset stealing, and soul mill for not being fun to play on, and having a bad underworld.

Crasher is fun af, and Spookeyridge becomes really fun when you figure out the upside down.

like not a lot of people know how to use it, once you learn, you can use it to your advantage.

[summer steeple]

mappers like ueakcrash have been mapping for tf2 specifically for far longer than the people who made dustbowl, or upward

for better or for worse

[wild grove]

ueakcrash being true to his name sometimes.

I heard one of his maps caused the game to crash back in pre banana hat.

[summer steeple]

I didn't really like cashworks when it got added but it was made in like 2008, and you gotta admit, it felt like a map from that era

[eternal haven]

I like cashworks

[wild grove]

I'm glad older maps also have a chance.

[eternal haven]

or liked it before the latest update

now it's worse IMO

[summer steeple]

I haven't played it too much since the update

[wild grove]

dude took the video personal

yknow the one

[eternal haven]

I don't know the one I dont watch tf2 youtube

[summer steeple]

I think you can also see the difference in valve's tf2 content as well

merc park felt like they were trying to push the engine a bit (probably because they were more familiar with the csgo branch at that point tho)

[radiant merlin]

in robin walker times it was pre and post dangeresque too

[summer steeple]

and I mean, that map is the whole reason they backported treesway

[unborn pecan]

I think TF2 is dead

imo

not dead, but done

[summer steeple]

i think you're dead

[unborn pecan]

[wild grove]

Whats worse than being bad, being both bad and painfully boring. I have nothing to say to any of these besides frostwatch, fuck frostwatch.

[unborn pecan]

erm

I will blast uw itrh glorp

[eternal haven]

Probably

[wild grove]

Gonna be a major in 15 years when they have a new idea to put into tf2 LMAO.

[eternal haven]

In 15 years they'll finally shut the servers off

[summer steeple]

write a dissertation on how tf2 is dead and in the time it takes you to make it valve decides to start supporting it again

[radiant merlin]

i think you are ded

imo

[wild grove]

We're gonna have valve curated community updates til the end of time.

[radiant merlin]

please respect my opinion

[wild grove]

we're gonna celebrate the game being 50 gbs in prolly a decade or two and you're gonna like it.

i'm MONKEYing around.

going APEshit

[wild grove]

damn 2023 was 2 years ago

[wild grove]

So many bangers holyy, what a return to year round maps, venice is the only stinker to me, and that was because the map was made by a first time tf2 mapper who made csgo maps.

[radiant merlin]

the phoenix guy, the goat

only banger after banger

[wild grove]

VSH had a rough transition to casual.

(yes this is heard the same as "Sonic had a rough transition to 3D")

[wild grove]

Playing all these maps, I dont really like devstation, perks, and lava pit stinks, I have a hate boner for lava pit.

That being said mannslyvania is goated because the mappers requested the contract be different and fun to do.

Oh yeah corruption's crazy af random generated underworld, can't forget that.

Oh yeah spineyard stinks too, it feels too cramped, and last is nearly impossible to push if the team is good.

Feeling like a local dollar store holy shit

I should explain perks actually, I don't like perks because the power ups feel one sided, you can either be the one with the real good power or the other team.

[wild grove]

Imo, this is the best winter map select in recent years in my opinion, it still has a stinker, being the smissmas reskin of hightower which is now a year round.

Acrually most of these are year round now

I forgot about emerge too, fuckkkk

Maybe thats for the best, all the times I played emerge, the enemy teams was way too good.

Eh I think i'm done, imma just quickly summarize my thoughts for 2024's maps, summer had a lot of visually impressive maps, can't actually think of a stinker for this one.

Scream Fortress 2024, worst was blazehattan, the layout needs to have that one spot fixed up.

Smissmas 2024, worst was overcast, I dont need to explain why.

[left sand]

It seems like mannco store stole my items

"You currently have items in your site inventory that have not been listed or withdrawn in the last three months.

We will automatically delete those items in 1 day.

Please make sure to list them for sale or withdraw them from the site."

lol

[wild grove]

Weird, why would they delete em, do they not have space to keep em.

[left sand]

I had hundreds of items deposited in there

[eternal haven]

I wonder if they have the 3 months in their TOS

[wild grove]

Damn you gonna have to withdraw hundreds of items.

or sell em.

[eternal haven]

RIP

[left sand]

no this was already past

[wild grove]

its joever

[left sand]

i lost hundreds of items

[wild grove]

you're bidone.

how much did you lose

in usd?

[left sand]

IDK

I have no idea what the items were

[wild grove]

Broooo

[left sand]

but I am pretty sure I had keys, vintages, unusuals, taunts, etc

so possibly hundreds of dollars

[eternal haven]

Wait when did you deposit them

[wild grove]

eeeeeeee

[eternal haven]

In 2021 they didnt have the three months in TOS

according to archive.is

[left sand]

last year

i priced some of them

but didnt price all of them

because it was so much

and i wanted to get around to it eventually

im not terminally online on the mannco.store website

this is just ridiculous

[wild grove]

broooo I would be livid if it happens to me.

[left sand]

it costs them nothing to store items

like $5 per account

[eternal haven]

They've probably stolen thousands of dollars of items from people that way

[left sand]

yeah

i assume by "delete" them mean they just sell them themselves

[wild grove]

AND THEY HAVE A HIGH TRUSTSCORE?!

[left sand]

confiscate

[wild grove]

prolly botted

or people dont have this issue often

[left sand]

or people dont notice

this is insane

unacceptable

[wild grove]

indeed

[left sand]

would it potentially against steam user terms though?

i know youre technically trading to another user

but afaik, these sites that use the steam API / steam connect have different regulations

[eternal haven]

I don't think so

[left sand]

"4. Acceptable Use. You agree not to use the Steam Web API, Steam Data, or Valve Brand & Links in any way that is unlawful, or harms Valve, developers and publishers of games via Steam, their service providers, their suppliers, end users, or any other person. Further, pursuant to Section 11 below, Valve may terminate your use of the Steam Web API, Steam Data and Valve Brand & Links at any time in Valve's sole discretion. "

"harms...end users"

I have suffered harm from their actions

i lost all of these items

well not all of these

im sure i listed some of them

at most all of these

but at minimum, probably 70% to 90%

[wild grove]

This is bad, really bad

[summer steeple]

wait they say they'll contact you, and the message coms posted said that they gave her one days notice

was that all they gave you?

cause that is legitimately super sketchy and scummy if so

[left sand]

no

it was like

idk

4 to 6 days notice

with a message in inbox each day

only in inbox

on their site

so i dont get emailed or anything

[summer steeple]

thats stupid

[left sand]

i have to be like actively online on their site

to know

[summer steeple]

i'm not entirely sure that the claim that this harms users would hold up if you actually pursued it though

[left sand]

why not

[summer steeple]

idk "harms" feels like such a broad word

[left sand]

yes its a legal term

[summer steeple]

maybe thats a good thing idk

[summer steeple]

hm i guess so

I suppose it would then depend on if valve decided that the items still belonged to you despite being in someone else's inventory? idk

like yeah they belong to you but idk if valve would see it that way

[eternal haven]

I think it would be hard to show that they violated steam's TOS by taking away your access to items you traded to them just because you traded them through steam

[left sand]

idk, thats how valve went after gambling sites

[eternal haven]

And even if you did show that, it wouldn't lead to you getting your items back, just them getting punished by steam

[left sand]

well

they wouldnt wanna get punished by steam

[eternal haven]

True

[left sand]

so they would give me my items back to resolve the harm

[summer steeple]

wait a minute i filled in the blanks since this image was cut off, their TOS says that they won't contact you when they delete your stuff

which is even more fucked up (although they did actually at least sort of attempt it idk)

[left sand]

Here is why they should refund my items:

• I have been a great customer for them, both for buying and selling items, which they have profited from quite a lot, and they will lose my business
• I have suffered irreparable harm from their abuse of the trading system, which uses Valve's Steam API services. They should resolve the issue to avoid violating Valve's terms.
• Their terms are illegitimate, as they advertise their inventory and marketplace in a way which suggests a guarantee or warranty for your items, but provides no remedy for their deceptive practice of deleting items.
• I will pay for any reasonable costs suffered by mannco.store in holding my unlisted items for the period in which they were listed, as long as such damages and costs are documented by the business
  • If such documentation to the reasonable cost to the business for holding unlisted items does not exist, then mannco.store forfeits all rights to seizure of items at the harm of said user

[summer steeple]

honestly reading their terms the fact that the only thing they say about putting items onto the service (not buying or selling, just putting them on the site to begin with) is the fact that they can delete your stuff, and that they will ban you for overpricing items, really feels super lacking

unless i'm missing something, there are absolutely no terms regarding to the act of putting your items on their bots

[eternal haven]

Cant believe b4nny endorses these scammers!

[summer steeple]

putting items already on the bot: yep
recieving items that you've purchased from the website: yep
recieving money from items that were already on the bot: yep
putting items on the bot in the first place: no

thats a pretty big part of the site that appears to have 0 protections or terms of any kind associated with it

[rare creek]

i didnt know they were scammers

[uncut spear]

saw someone in a casual match that said "this game isn't fun zesty was right" like

you really watched a 4 hour vid that told you that and you still went ahead and played it???

[oblique tangle]

true

10 years no republican president think about what that does to a patriot

[summer steeple]

its been 0 years

[oblique tangle]

im bad my sorry

[burnt dragon]

@left sand can we have a channel/thread separate for your game from tea fee trees 2 so we can talk about ideas on there?

[high current]

I had an American flag outside my house since I was a kid. Haven’t flown that flag since roe v wade was overturned 🤷‍♂️

[left sand]

#1341124989881028798 message

[radiant merlin]

just disabling r shadows in 100 players gave me stable 60 fps

nice

[eternal haven]

Yeah the shadows in tf2 are crazy expensive for whatever reason

The blobby shadows are quite a bit better performance wise

[left sand]

rendering an animating entity to a shadow texture is very poorly handled

[rare creek]

it's an expensive operation and no game does realtime shadows fast except those old ass games with stencil shadows or static shadow textures

[eternal haven]

It doesn't have to be as bad as tf2

not even close

[rare creek]

is there any video game that does it good

[kind falcon]

half life

[burnt dragon]

doom

[potent wolf]

[rare creek]

that's fake

[radiant merlin]

https://fxtwitter.com/DidTF2GetUpdate/status/1891590205452296464

https://tenor.com/view/what-does-this-mean-for-tf2-tf2-what-does-this-mean-team-fortress-2-team-fortress-gif-10286812706836883739

[wild grove]

They're gonna add the community made reduxes to casual in summer 25'

But in a sorta fantasy mindset, we might see em work on and finalize the beta maps that've been beta for a long while.

[orchid sorrel]

iirc didnt the person who made both maps get rehired at valve last year?

[broken haven]

https://x.com/Chucklenutters/status/1891167360897228886

Chucklenuts (@Chucklenutters) on X

X · Feb 16, 2025, 4:46 PM

[potent wolf]

those watermarks...

[uncut spear]

LMAO

[spring kestrel]

have you played 6s?

[jagged pawn]

lmao

[radiant merlin]

it's always either team fortress classic or team fortress (1998), never tf2

ffs

had to do it myself

next time im gonna put: ... in team fortress 2

tf does this mean lol

[burnt dragon]

he told him

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1081016285258846228.webp?size=48

[half rose]

mastercomfig latest dev build benchmark
5600X + RTX 3070
low preset and custom flame particle mod

[uncut spear]

what preset

[rare creek]

what are these fuckin numbers what thr fuck is 0203

[uncut spear]

was gonna ask that too

assuming bigger number is newest update

[left sand]

02 03 = february 3

02 18 = february 18

[uncut spear]

ok yep

[rare creek]

lower average fps 💔

[left sand]

higher lows though

[rare creek]

why cant you make both infinite

[uncut spear]

remove every preset other than very low

[half rose]

low

[drowsy marlin]

I should spend time benchmarking TF2 on the steam deck

Me thinks that can offer helpful data idk

[left sand]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/commit/0759e2e8e179d5352d81d0d4aaded72c1704b7a9

[eternal haven]

Chat is this real

[left sand]

TC2 needs to be rebased onto this

[eternal haven]

Sadly no engine/ 😔

[summer willow]

what this means to tf2

[eternal haven]

They should just open source whole tf2

at this point

[left sand]

the game is moddable like HL2 now

people can make sourcemods for TF2

Open Fortress and TF2C don't have to use leaked code

[summer willow]

oooohh

[summer willow]

i said that 2 years ago

[left sand]

also means we can submit patches to TF2 directly on GitHub

[limpid panther]

holy FUCK

[sour oxide]

TF2 Got updated

[potent wolf]

WHAT

holy shit holy shit

[sour oxide]

AYO

[patent folio]

HUH

[left sand]

https://steamcommunity.com/games/TF2/announcements/detail/511824321138655315

[patent folio]

WAIT OPTIMIZED TF2 FINALLY???

[left sand]

no these are just going to be gameplay patches

4 years in the making

or longer

insane

these are really good

heck yeah

amazing

woot

huge

huge

[patent folio]

some changes to lighting, will it affect current mcom builds?

[limpid panther]

yea, this has been a pain

[left sand]

YES

2fort fixed

[limpid panther]

Ahhhhhhh this is so cool im so sad that I will not be able to play this

[left sand]

this will be so cool for sharing listen server games

[eternal haven]

There already was support for steam networking though

and why would I want my steam name in my server name

[summer willow]

mastercomfig 10 when

[potent wolf]

SNIPER

[left sand]

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/sdk/uploading/distributing_source_engine#TF2FAQ

[potent wolf]

VPC was updated to use ninja 👀

[left sand]

i assume this means steam networking, not SDR

[next nymph]

is hazard crew going to be turned into a standalone mod now

[left sand]

like p2p

[eternal haven]

Oh

huh

Does that still go thru SDR or is it direct?

[left sand]

both

it depends on your privacy settings afaik

[potent wolf]

oooh there's a few bits of dxvk stuff too

[rare creek]

Team Niterux 2 coming to Steam soon.

[potent wolf]

Team Fortress 2 Megathread - SDK edition

[eternal haven]

I want to see shaderapivk

[glass musk]

BIG

SDK EDITION

[potent wolf]

it's just shaderapidx9 but compiled to not use togl

afaik

[eternal haven]

Im just curious exactly how they did it

and I guess the rest of the game too

for dxvk

[potent wolf]

we got the sources to launcher_main 🥹

[potent wolf]

https://github.com/ReplayCoding/tf2-patches/tree/dxvk i hacked misyls computer and stole the code for it

vpc ships with debug symbols this is the big valve debug info leak

[proper tangle]

This is freaking amazing

[eternal haven]

Erm

[potent wolf]

it does work

[eternal haven]

I wonder if they'll ever fix switching from dxlevel 81 to dxvk on windows

when you do that it changes to dxlevel 100 still but it doesn't change everything right

game gets messed up

[potent wolf]

oh wait this is actually far more interesting than I originally thought

looks like the support makefile is gone

and the ninja-specific configuration was put in a VPC file

very cool

[proper tangle]

borderless window is huge

[eternal haven]

me when -noborder

[summer steeple]

i can’t believe my got damn eyes

[eternal haven]

also windowed mode has forced vsync dwm vsync so you shouldn't use it

unless you use it in dxvk for some reason dxvk can do it without the dwm vsync

[proper tangle]

didn't windows fix that like forever ago?

[eternal haven]

no

[potent wolf]

lul

[proper tangle]

u sure?

[potent wolf]

i can't believe the amount of code in here

[eternal haven]

I mean I tried it on up to date windows 10 a while ago and there was vsync in tf2 dx9 borderless windowed

I didn't try win 11

[proper tangle]

oh thats the issue

windows 10

[eternal haven]

U sure?

[proper tangle]

on windows 11 that got fixed a long time ago

[eternal haven]

How do you mean fixed?

It's not a bug, it's intended

[potent wolf]

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=238809

[glass musk]

rare post

[eternal haven]

for dwm vsync to be enabled in windowed mode

[proper tangle]

windows 11 doesnt force it

[eternal haven]

What do you mean force?

[proper tangle]

the vsync

[eternal haven]

It's not forced on windows 10 either, it's just that windows are composited by dwm

and it uses vsync

by design

[proper tangle]

thats what I'm saying

[eternal haven]

they would have to explicitly detect that your window is special

and disable the vsync system wide

maybe they do that now but idk I would be surprised

[proper tangle]

I don't know how they did it, but regardless, it works

bordeless shouldn't affect performance anymore

[radiant merlin]

BIG

[next nymph]

"a scalable HUD/UI" are they just gonna fake the dimensions for the existing hud, or is there gonna need to be a lot of hud work in the near future

[eternal haven]

Well so there are 2 'borderless' modes

a window with no border, and the fake fullscreen mode

the latter has never had vsync since they implemented it

[proper tangle]

games are already coming out without "exclusive" fullscreen

its bordeless or windowed

[glass musk]

ok so

will this borderless window option still somewhat kill fps

compared to fullscreen

[potent wolf]

nooo they didn't make vpc cache crcs this is literally unusable

[eternal haven]

There's windowed mode (border or not, doesn't matter), the special "MaximizedWindowed" (fullscreen optimizations) mode, and then true fullscreen

[proper tangle]

unless they fucked something really badly, shouldn't affect performance at all

[eternal haven]

On windows 10 the first has vsync while the last 2 don't

I'll have to test win 11

[potent wolf]

they updated the crc file version though i wonder what changed

[small siren]

*they updated the

crc file version though

i wonder what changed*

- replay

[limpid panther]

@rare creek whats your valve pessimistic take on the news of today?

[proper tangle]

"Fixed players being able to spam duel cancellation messages for a duel that doesn't exist"

Will this fix the spam some streammers got?

[radiant merlin]

please tell me this is going to fix jittering when on the payload

[small siren]

*please tell me this is

going to fix jittering

when on the payload*

- ashewiki_tf

[radiant merlin]

yes

[proper tangle]

hopefully, I will have to check when I get home, unless someone is on right now

[radiant merlin]

sadje

[rare creek]

Valve only did this because of the 2020 TF2 source code leak where people created mods on an outdated version of TF2 using illegal source code

[potent wolf]

🙄

[summer steeple]

i think this is the same change that got added to tf2 a while ago which broke huds, they just are also porting this to the other games too

[eternal haven]

Im sure joshie wanted to do this the whole time and would have done it regardless of the leak

[radiant merlin]

also due to tf2c and of

[sterile ferry]

what would the hl2 ones be used for

[eternal haven]

they probably just had to convince valve and it took a while

[rare creek]

I imagine this is what the communication between those youtubers that went to valve and asked them what they meant when they took down tf2c was about

where they said they were working on it

So the pestimistic valve take is that they weren't lying or underdelivering

[frigid panther]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1063295734557974579/1341505159372738692/new_tf2_logo.png

[eternal haven]

Frog fortress

[frigid panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1063295734557974579/1341505616933425233/image.png

[west pilot]

TEAM FORTRESS 2 is source available??

[radiant merlin]

the particle preloader hasn't been patched

i think

[eternal haven]

Just the mod

none of the engine

or very little of it

[west pilot]

Still

[potent wolf]

still huge

[west pilot]

That’s par for the course so far and still huge

[rare creek]

tf2's been source available for 5 years

[glass musk]

they updated it @radiant merlin

I think

[west pilot]

I mean legally and newer

[craggy ridge]

will tc2 get the post ji flames now?

[eternal haven]

Guys they finally broke the mac version

[radiant merlin]

tc2 is kil

[potent wolf]

oh wait actually this means the code for that is available now

[rare creek]

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOO

[small siren]

*oh wait actually

this means the code for that is

available now*

- replay

[rare creek]

BEST UPDATE EVER

[potent wolf]

@wget

[radiant merlin]

time to use 3 translation layers

[rare creek]

nah im kidding

this was already the best update ever

[potent wolf]

it's beautiful

[proper tangle]

fuck

[potent wolf]

(and broken)

[eternal haven]

Can U fix it

[craggy ridge]

They updated the game on Basil's birthday

this is like

incredible

[radiant merlin]

check for any updated valve developer rant about shitty code

[proper tangle]

wait is this the airblast logic?

did it change?

[rare creek]

they removed the ui scaling cvars

[potent wolf]

no because it's a vphysics bug

[proper tangle]

I don't follow the code

[summer steeple]

can’t wait for this source to become outdated after the summer update

[eternal haven]

I wonder if they will update it or leave it

[craggy ridge]

it'd be the funniest thing ever if they released the heavy update right after

[eternal haven]

Not much point in releasing if they just leave it and don't push updates

[summer steeple]

it truly is the most valve thing they could do though

[proper tangle]

I mean, having more access to the more recent inner workings is bound to help modders right?

[radiant merlin]

tf2 no longer uses miles right?

[proper tangle]

even if they break it in the summer

[summer steeple]

ye

[tacit flare]

"small update"

[potent wolf]

-# cheaters

[next nymph]

how is this going to help romantic infidelity

[proper tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/what-does-this-mean-for-tf2-tf2-what-does-this-mean-team-fortress-2-team-fortress-gif-10286812706836883739

[potent wolf]

dear god it's a source 2 leak

[rare creek]

counter-strike source fans are eatting good tonight

[proper tangle]

Source 2 port one class at a time

[dapper copper]

there is a ton of undocumented stuff if I am not playing tricks on myself

[rare creek]

centerprinttext and borders now scales, gamma correction and vgui drawtree still don't however

[dapper copper]

I am noticing that 0.1% and 1% are super tight now, even on local servers with bots

[burnt dragon]

holy shit thats actually amazing

they fixed really irritating bugs, bicubic lights will be great for future maps too

and now tf2classic can be on steam

[summer steeple]

i’m really happy we got the bicubic lightmaps

[radiant merlin]

for some reason when i enable fakelag the game slows down

[summer steeple]

that was the big thing i’ve been complaining about for years and then when it got added to hl2 i was hoping it would get brought over

and it has

[radiant merlin]

it's like low gravity

[potent wolf]

oooh it came with the map compilers too

[ashen smelt]

For the record, the presentation model in windowed mode didn't change, so I wouldn't recommend playing on borderless fullscreen.

[proper tangle]

RTX when

[dapper copper]

this also causes -vert in ultrawide resolutions too

[summer steeple]

oh i thought you photoshopped this together no this is just in the sdk lol

[potent wolf]

and there are some interesting changes to them

[radiant merlin]

maybe they should fix the system freezing when loading maps

[summer steeple]

oooooh, what sort of interesting changes

[potent wolf]

MPI is gated behind windows

which kinda implies some level of linux support

[craggy ridge]

@left sand yay or nay

[summer steeple]

i thought vmpi was abandoned

[potent wolf]

as in

[summer steeple]

tc2 will get probably get rebased onto this

[eternal haven]

The source sdk base 2013 multiplayer itself got a pretty big update

[ashen smelt]

Works on my machine™️

[potent wolf]

the code that calls into mpi is disabled when you're not compiling on win32

[eternal haven]

I guess they had to change a lot to make it work with tf2

[craggy ridge]

oOoOoOoO

[potent wolf]

but win32 is the only platform that the map compilers are built for

[eternal haven]

Aren't a lot of the tc2 improvements in areas other than what was released?

[potent wolf]

i wouldn't be surprised if it got rebased to use the tf2 engine branch

there was plenty of stuff that touched game code

[eternal haven]

Maybe

It probably wouldn't be too hard to check

[summer steeple]

i think so, but that’s what coms said earlier

[eternal haven]

Just find some difference between tf2 engine and old source sdk 2013

and see which the current binaries look like

[potent wolf]

iirc the hl2 anniversary update had some signs it was using the tf2 branch

but i can't be bothered to look again right now

[summer steeple]

hl2dm had tf2’s vscript in it

was the big one

and like tf2 coats

[potent wolf]

it also had the emoji support code

[summer steeple]

CVARS

[potent wolf]

print_froggy

[summer steeple]

NOT COATS

[potent wolf]

oh yeah

[summer steeple]

AUTOCORRECT AAAAA

[potent wolf]

🧥

[left sand]

no, the majority of the patches are gameplay patches

most of the performance fixes are already in

[eternal haven]

Oh true

64 bit update

added some of those right?

[left sand]

theres just a few stuff for bone setup and some other stuff which would help

[radiant merlin]

dear god

[potent wolf]

omg when will the podman container finish downloading

[eternal haven]

Which is which?

imo right one looks worse

[radiant merlin]

left: high shader, right: very high

[proper tangle]

Right one is more realistic

at the very least, it hides the blockyness

not much, but a little bit

[eternal haven]

Feel like it's too blurred and doesn't match the rest of the graphics in t2

tf2

[proper tangle]

I fell like thats just you being used to low res blocky shadows

[eternal haven]

No it looks unnaturally blurry

like not soft in a realistic way

[proper tangle]

I garantee if they had that back in 07 they would have put it

[small siren]

*I garantee if

they had that back in 07

they would have put it*

- diegodamohill

[void slate]

OH SHIT ITS HAPPENING!!!!

[burnt dragon]

is this an update that tells us they are working on tf2 for source 2

[proper tangle]

technically, they did use source 2 code in this update

[potent wolf]

actually it's being ported to unreal 5

[proper tangle]

so you can say tf2 is partially ported to source 2

[potent wolf]

hardly

[burnt dragon]

it was on unity

[glass musk]

welcome to the party

[burnt dragon]

now its ported to unreal 5

and they changed it so you can make your own characters and export and sell them

[proper tangle]

with stutters and everything

[burnt dragon]

oh wait no thats s box nevermind

[glass musk]

damn!

[potent wolf]

@left sand it's sincos

[proper tangle]

oh yes

more

[burnt dragon]

that looks sweet but is there any maps with that much sharp lighting to begin with?

maps tend to have slight dark spots

[summer willow]

the lighting on maps could be better by just compiling again no?

[west pilot]

I wonder if this means Source 1 engine itself could be getting open sourced soon. All the major 1st party Source 1 games are in the SDK now.

At the very least I’d like to be able to tinker with Strata Source

[radiant merlin]

radial fog is client-side or does the map determines it?

[eternal haven]

Are all the source files required or are they just random?

[burnt dragon]

I suspect if they would do that

[potent wolf]

it looks complete, i'm trying to compile it right now but SNIPER IS TAKING SO LONG TO DOWNLOAD

[glass musk]

"It works, it's just that it's a new option for mapmakers that isn't enabled by default, meaning existing maps retain the old planar fog.

I guess they could change the default setting for existing maps to use the new fog though.

See the env_fog_controller entity page on the Valve Developer Wiki."

[burnt dragon]

its the new PISSSSSS physics

[potent wolf]

also there are build instructions in the repo so i assume it is compilable

[burnt dragon]

all that URINE PARTICLES

[coarse spruce]

I hope VAC got updated as well

[burnt dragon]

wait I just saw theres a beta on source sdk 2013

for old sourcemods

[sterile ferry]

is the bicubic/radial stuff higher quality than the current ones

[burnt dragon]

called previous2021

means they were working on this since 4 years

[summer steeple]

hmmm, it might be easier if i move my vscript gamemode to a sourcemod

[burnt dragon]

no they made game worse its over, literally unplayable

[sterile ferry]

Fucked up

[summer steeple]

but do i want to do that

[burnt dragon]

Im jerking your chain

[sterile ferry]

Why would you do that bro.

[potent wolf]

no more optimizing squirrel code 😢

[burnt dragon]

yes it makes shadows smoother and better

[sterile ferry]

terrifying

[glass musk]

I'm thinking TF2 is back

[sterile ferry]

so what does the fog do

[glass musk]

[potent wolf]

woah, it's me

[unborn pecan]

yo

wait

is this huge

@potent wolf

axplain to me

[potent wolf]

massive

[unborn pecan]

what does this mean

[potent wolf]

it's an updated source sdk

with the tf2 source code as a treat

[burnt dragon]

maybe this is their last update, and thats their way of letting community handle the game

[proper tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-excited-gif-27408104

[unborn pecan]

okay so

Does this mean like

TF2C

and open fortress

can be publically released on steam now?

[burnt dragon]

can be on steam yeah

[proper tangle]

yes they will be able to be published on steam

[potent wolf]

yeah

[proper tangle]

and will be based on a more up to date version of the game

[unborn pecan]

awesome

@left sand Does the networking changes mena you will have to update mastercomfig?

[coarse spruce]

Imagine if they bring back quickplay with community-only servers and shut down their valve ones

[proper tangle]

god I hope not

Only playable servers for me are valve's

[burnt dragon]

bug mcoms to add that to team comtress

[tacit flare]

Yes

[unborn pecan]

awesome

@potent wolf how are you building the new source sdk?

[potent wolf]

yes

[unborn pecan]

Did they update the instructions on the valve dev wiki?

Do you gotta like

setup a sniper docker thing

?

[potent wolf]

there are instructions in the repo's readme

[unborn pecan]

oh fr?

awesome

[potent wolf]

it's handled in a script

but yeah it's literally sniper in podman

[tacit flare]

So.. who's going to recreate TF2 but with quickplay then reupload it to Steam?

[unborn pecan]

ah

it needs podman

[frigid panther]

you cant compile server.dll atm

[unborn pecan]

yeah okay

[frigid panther]

some missing vscript functions

[unborn pecan]

owned

🔥

[potent wolf]

missing vscript functions?

[unborn pecan]

okay so wait replay

[potent wolf]

which ones

[unborn pecan]

Does this mean that TF2's code is going to be in the source sdk from now on

or are they just going to upload it "once"

[potent wolf]

no idea

[unborn pecan]

and whenever tf2 gets an update

[frigid panther]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/issues/607

[unborn pecan]

okay

anwyays this is huge

I am litearlly in class rn

had to pull out my laptop to talk about this

[potent wolf]

oh are these the vscript files embedded in the libraries

the files seem to be there maybe the build script is broken

[unborn pecan]

Does vpc use ninja?

[potent wolf]

yes

[void slate]

Wait if the source code it now available

[unborn pecan]

the buildallprojects file refers to vpc and ninja

[potent wolf]

makefile and xcode is DEAD

murdered

[void slate]

MEans we can submit fixes, more multithreading, more performance!!!???

[frigid panther]

yep

you can summit game fixes now

[unborn pecan]

Thank god

Fuck makefiles

fuck xcode

[frigid panther]

this is what the mod_tf looks like

if you are wondering it just connects to the itemserver and that is it

[unborn pecan]

should I compile tf2 in class

on my laptop

[frigid panther]

no game coordinator

[unborn pecan]

[potent wolf]

frog fortress 2

[eternal haven]

Presumably you won't be able to use this and source sdk base 2013 multiplayer to connect to actual tf2 servers?

[floral sandal]

I think engine level access is still restricted, so no multi-threading

[potent wolf]

what's really stopping you

[eternal haven]

Steam

?

idk

[void slate]

Damn

Ah and SDK is still only 32-bit

[potent wolf]

sorry what I meant was that if it's the entire source code you can probably work around that anyways

[eternal haven]

and GC stuff maybe?

[potent wolf]

actually I wonder if you can run this with the engine binaries from 440

[void slate]

Still CSS and Day of Defeat must be happy

Day of Defeat players fianlly acknowledged

RIP Richochet players

[potent wolf]

all 3 of them

[frigid panther]

btw, you can restore quickplay functionality since the files are still there

and since there is not a game coordinator at all

[unborn pecan]

who cares about quickplay

[proper tangle]

for those who didn't catch the link:

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=238809

[unborn pecan]

when we have comfig.app

alright

I am building tf2 in class on my laptop

✈️

[potent wolf]

why is there no gc

[unborn pecan]

airplane sounds

[potent wolf]

is the code for it removed, or is it just steam not letting you use it

[frigid panther]

if i have to guess the code for gc is stubbed

the only thing the mod does is connec to the item server in read only

[unborn pecan]

dude this is huge

[potent wolf]

the gcsdk headers are there

[unborn pecan]

I am freaking out

tf2c on steam

open fortress on steam

[potent wolf]

hm

[eternal haven]

I mean the functionality would be in the source sdk 2013 binaries if it was

[unborn pecan]

Glorp Fortress on Steam

[eternal haven]

it probably is not

[potent wolf]

🤔

[eternal haven]

IK

[unborn pecan]

Writing manifest to image destination
Error: statfs /home/hurricane/.ccache: no such file or directory

fail

[potent wolf]

pwned

[eternal haven]

Im responding to nick tick

[unborn pecan]

IT'S COMPILING!!!!

3197 jobs....

[potent wolf]

fuck you i'm still downloading sniper

[unborn pecan]

lol I am on that good university wifi

[eternal haven]

How big is sniper

[unborn pecan]

1.4 GiB

[potent wolf]

like 1.5 gigs

[unborn pecan]

yeah I stopped compiling

I don't wanna make a lot of sound

[potent wolf]

lmao

[unborn pecan]

does Source Sdk 2013 have dxvk support

native linux dxvk support or no

[potent wolf]

yes

[wild grove]

can't believe I would see the day they actually fix the messed up lighting.

[potent wolf]

i think

there's dxvk related code in the repo

[coarse spruce]

ctrl+f "josh" in src/game/server/vote_controller.cpp

[wild grove]

how it was before btw

[potent wolf]

oooh that's interesting

[unborn pecan]

replay where is the dxvk code?

[potent wolf]

anti bot stuff

[unborn pecan]

oh shit

are bot creators gonna be able to make better bots now?

[potent wolf]

there are mentions of dxvk, but because you don't get matsys there is no actual code

[unborn pecan]

ah okay

oh yeah isn't source sdk just like the uh

client side?

or whatever

[frigid panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/548979532766511108/1341518497636946051/2025-02-18_21-09-52.mp4?ex=67b649f6&is=67b4f876&hm=371aef844b40860ed49d917087bff245177c16c7cd3194f34dc2ae00194a86d0& also they added nextbots to hl2dm

[potent wolf]

no you get everything

[eternal haven]

it has server

[potent wolf]

it just doesn't have the core engine code

[unborn pecan]

ah okay

[coarse spruce]

ditto src/game/shared/multiplay_gamerules.cpp

thats how they did it..

[eternal haven]

you get the source code for the game mod specific client and server but all the 'generic' source engine you get binaries only

[potent wolf]

there are also a ton of comments under misyl

[unborn pecan]

I see

[potent wolf]

oh finally it's compiling

[unborn pecan]

can you feel the power replay

I wanna go to my dorm and on my desktop

[oblique tangle]

so what happened tldr

i got no time for this

[potent wolf]

TF2 is now source-available

[oblique tangle]

🔥

[oblique tangle]

i know alredy

but like is it 100% or just client or server or what

[wild grove]

what does steam networking do?

[void slate]

Quickplay return comfirmed!!!

[potent wolf]

client + server, missing engine code like x (???) said

[eternal haven]

Imagine like tf2 classic

you get 'that part' of tf2

open sourced

[potent wolf]

please change your name back from a blank i beg

[unborn pecan]

glorpx

[oblique tangle]

it would be awesomesauce if they got a real vulkan implementation going instead of dxvk under the hood
i mean idk what it would even change or improve but im all fo rit

[eternal haven]

but it trolls micwoj

isn't that worth it?

[potent wolf]

you know what fair enough

[unborn pecan]

thatis fair

[oblique tangle]

micwoj showing me his linux polo supposedly rn

[unborn pecan]

They're not lol

[potent wolf]

nah

[unborn pecan]

Everything is so directx based on in source 1

DXVK is awesome

better than anything valve can do themselves with vulkan

[potent wolf]

i mean

[unborn pecan]

I don't think valve even has any in-house vulkan developers

[coarse spruce]

// HACK(misyl): If this is an official map then force on radial fog. lol

[potent wolf]

it's all abstracted, but it would be a massive pain to port the shaders

[unborn pecan]

They contract somebody

I think you can compile HLSL to spirv-v now

actually

or something

[oblique tangle]

but dote 2 work vulkna

cs2 meanwhile crappy

[potent wolf]

oh right

well regardless, it's probably not worth it

[floral sandal]

couldn't they have just recompiled all maps except with it turned on?

[potent wolf]

dxvk is very fast

time to port the map compilers to linux again

[dapper copper]

youd need to redownload the maps for the patch if they did iirc

[heavy solar]

@dapper copper has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)

[coarse spruce]

// misyl: unfrogged this interface to be compatible [...] ⚠️ frog tampering

[unborn pecan]

who is

misyl

🐸

frog?

[wild grove]

very cool to see some behind the scenes stuff.

[heavy solar]

@wild grove has leveled up! (28 ➜ 29)

[potent wolf]

the contractor

[unborn pecan]

and awesomes

[unborn pecan]

eh idk

portal 2 had linux native map compilers

and it sucks

[potent wolf]

does it look like I make maps

[left sand]

actually its on Godot

[potent wolf]

NOOOO

[unborn pecan]

YOOOOOO

[coarse spruce]

yeah i saw that but couldnt figure out what they took from godot

[potent wolf]

it's the bicubic lightmapping code lol

[coarse spruce]

oooh

[unborn pecan]

What does bicubic lightmapping mean

[coarse spruce]

the mapping of the lighting is bicubic /s

[unborn pecan]

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Lightmap#Bicubic_lightmaps

they already updated the wiki

wow

that looks much better

@summer steeple

are u going ot use these new lights

on ur awesomesauce fiend maps

[radiant merlin]

standing on a player still jitters a bit

[tacit flare]

Prepare for.. unforseen consequences..

[unborn pecan]

dude

imagine how hard tyler micvicker is freaking out rn

I never think about that guy, but anytime there is anything remotely happening with valve

it's hard not to

[potent wolf]

hl3 confirmed

releasing tomorrow

[frigid panther]

for any tf2 mod out there, i think using quickplay for x or y mod its a wise thing to do

[tacit flare]

So.. the return of guiding people into community servers?

[frigid panther]

only on mods

not in TF2 itself

[tacit flare]

As in, if it got added to Steam.. Everything else the same, just with quickplay.

[dapper copper]

did the minigun always have shell casings drop before today?

[tacit flare]

Wouldn't be too hard to convince people to use it.

[frigid panther]

i mean, it would not be hard since there is no game coordinator lol

[floral sandal]

holy shit did they add the physical cartridge models from the beta, like tf2c fixed?

[small siren]

*i mean, it would not

be hard since there is no game

coordinator lol*

- .nicktick

[dapper copper]

I think they did lmao

I was trying to figure out why firing was so annoying

they have bounce and everything

[radiant merlin]

?

are you using a mod?

[floral sandal]

video clip?

[dapper copper]

think its a mod, lemme clear custom and double check

[wild grove]

oh shit did they add nonhuman's 3D minigun casings?

[radiant merlin]

ultimate tf2 visual fix?

[unborn pecan]

Me watching as a source sdk mod steals all of my items

[dapper copper]

yep, but I could have sworn they never worked before today

[radiant merlin]

that's from the mod

[floral sandal]

is it working on valve servers?

[radiant merlin]

for actual 3d models they have to update the minigun animations

[unborn pecan]

I wonder if my animations can still be used in casual

[small siren]

*I wonder if my

animations can still be

used in casual*

- glorptasiummmmmmmmmmmmmmicrowave

[floral sandal]

they might've updated the whitelist rules

[unborn pecan]

And the casual compatibility mods still work

[rugged ridge]

are the new bicubic lightmaps actually noticeable tho

[glass musk]

maybe one day they will add this https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2941081045

[floral sandal]

yes, scroll up for comparisons

[glass musk]

at least we can preload these

[radiant merlin]

ugly as fuck i tell ya

[unborn pecan]

@rugged ridge

[eternal haven]

Wait they released the source sdk 2013 base mp even for mac

[rugged ridge]

thx mb

[eternal haven]

I wonder why they bothered

also I wonder if it has dsym

[glass musk]

how

[eternal haven]

and tf2 engine

[unborn pecan]

Np

[glass musk]

it looks bad in comparision

[rugged ridge]

looks like softer more natural shadows

[potent wolf]

huh

are there symbols

[eternal haven]

Idk I haven't donwlaoded it

I just looked on steam db

[frigid panther]

btw, you need to compile launcher_main now

[small siren]

*btw, you need

to compile launcher_main now

btw*

- .nicktick

[radiant merlin]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/498627

this is better

[wild grove]

they want someone to port tf2 to 64 bit mac externally

[unborn pecan]

Mac is dead as a gaming platform

[wild grove]

ofc

[eternal haven]

Yeah whatever we dont care

the point is maybe it has tf2 symbols

[unborn pecan]

Not anymore

[eternal haven]

idk if it's even tf2 engine though

[rugged ridge]

for old games, yes. for new games, maybe

cyberpunk is coming to mac

[glass musk]

looks nice

[radiant merlin]

maybe apple should develop an excellent translation layer

[small siren]

*maybe apple should

develop an excellent

translation layer*

- ashewiki_tf

[unborn pecan]

After how many years

Since release

And an anime

[frigid panther]

that is too much effort for the poor apple devs

[fleet kite]

made the game start with native resolution by default

Forget the heavy update, this is the real deal

[potent wolf]

when will tf2 get an anime

[rugged ridge]

this year lmao

and true its been ages since release

[frigid panther]

soon™️

working on it

[potent wolf]

i bet it has the exact same binaries as the hl2 anniversary update which has the exact the same binaries as the first 64bit branch build

[eternal haven]

Super possible

I'm downloading it

[potent wolf]

same

[eternal haven]

it looks broken, like it won't run on an actual mac

no hl2_osx

[potent wolf]

or rather i'm downloading dotnet so i can run depotdownloader

wait

[eternal haven]

same as the 'accidental' tf2 update

[potent wolf]

I HAVE STEAM

[eternal haven]

download_depot

xd

[potent wolf]

i'm very smart

[eternal haven]

Okay yeah the binaries have the same symbols

as all mac source engine stuff has

How do I tell what version it is

[potent wolf]

uhhh can you hash engine

[wild grove]

No one ever explained to me what steam networking does.

[eternal haven]

906cf00dfa098fac7100453e320400b7f2bcba3e sha1

[potent wolf]

yeah it's the same

[eternal haven]

rip

[potent wolf]

don't mind me i just have a lot of random source engine builds downloaded

[eternal haven]

no tf2

[radiant merlin]

oh yeah

viewmodels no longer jitter with lag

that's cool

[eternal haven]

Wait I guess this probably does indicate that source sdk is now tf2 engine, right?

why would they copy over the mac stuff from tf2 if not also the win and linux

[potent wolf]

yeah

actually i wonder why these binaries keep getting pushed

[left sand]

i mean always was

[eternal haven]

Idk they're useless

[potent wolf]

where are they being built

[left sand]

they just stopped maintaining it

[eternal haven]

well yeah

tf2 had many changes ahead of sdk 2013

[oblique tangle]

well you seem well versed in valve game shenanigans

[eternal haven]

as far as I know anyways

[left sand]

yes but they updated sdk 2013 many times

from tf2 stuff

[oblique tangle]

wait WHAT is made on godot??

[left sand]

but they stopped in around 2015

[eternal haven]

okay well now it seems like they actually put all the current tf2 stuff in

[left sand]

and gave up on upcoming branch

[eternal haven]

haven't really tried to look yet though

[potent wolf]

i'm a reverse engineering, not a mapper

[left sand]

and then now they seem to have unified hl2 as well

so its even more so

[eternal haven]

but yeah idk why

[oblique tangle]

what

[eternal haven]

I couldn't even get them to work on a mac

[potent wolf]

do they work if you put the old launcher in

[wild grove]

I think it was the bicubic lightmaps stuff?

[potent wolf]

i'm guessing no

[eternal haven]

I tried all different stuff

[potent wolf]

but worth a try

[eternal haven]

there were like launcher problems, sdl problems, idk

[unborn pecan]

Sdl3 for source...

[eternal haven]

I never figured out anything that worked but I didn't really put much effort

I didn't do them in a debugger and try to actually figure out what was wrong

[potent wolf]

at least you have symbols

[eternal haven]

old ones

year old broken version of the game

[potent wolf]

i meant at the very least it's easier to debug

[eternal haven]

true

but I just didn't bother because whats the point

[potent wolf]

internet points

[eternal haven]

though I did try the tf2 client and server from this version we're talking about

with the previous engine binaries

that worked (mostly)

[broken haven]

open fortress on steam time

[eternal haven]

couple weird crashes but mostly worked

[potent wolf]

ugggh i've had to do so much downloading on slow wifi today

why is my source sdk corrupted

[left sand]

git issue

[potent wolf]

steam issue

[oblique tangle]

wifi issue really

[left sand]

whats the source for this?

[wild grove]

radial fog on pheonix is awesome.

[radiant merlin]

nope viewmodels haven't been fixed :c

[left sand]

(where are people talking about it)

[wild grove]

TF2 Emp

[potent wolf]

engine