Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[potent wolf]

have you read it yet?

[broken haven]

7 years later jfc

[unborn pecan]

Nope

I am gonna read it on my desktop

[potent wolf]

nice

[unborn pecan]

And re-read all the previous comics too

[potent wolf]

it's like 300 pages

[unborn pecan]

JESUS

Best Christmas gift ever

Thank you Valve....

[rare creek]

i imagine this is the last thing the tf team is doing ever...

im sorry to say this but

vsh maul is actualyl good slop...,

2nd best map added,,.

[wild grove]

Respect your opinion.

[proper tangle]

It's so peak

[left sand]

tf2 isnt gonna live forever

but thats okay

we have a seat at the table

[potent wolf]

Team Fortress 2 Megathread - A Smissmas Miracle

[broken haven]

i cried a bit at the end jesus christ

[burnt dragon]

I wonder if we would get a remake for tf2 officially

[burnt dragon]

because how much more can they fill up the game with maps and hats

[formal dew]

tf2 has meant a lot of things to a lot of folks over 17 years and i'm happy with a sincere token of appreciation like this

[cursive peak]

I just hope it's not the beginning of the end.

[potent wolf]

It's all over!

[crisp cedar]

how long does it need to go on for

you can easily interpret this comic as the last official piece of valve content for this game

[potent wolf]

we are going to live forever

[rare creek]

yeah i dont thing tf2 is going to get any more updates after thisd

[crisp cedar]

it will

just contractor work

[rare creek]

source?

[crisp cedar]

workshop stuff

why would it not

[potent wolf]

engine

[rare creek]

contractors are expensive!

[crisp cedar]

tf2 hasnt had any big valve updates in years

[potent wolf]

It's not like that's the only thing they work on

[crisp cedar]

theres just valve approved fixes and cosmetics and maps

which is different from valve made

the comics message is that its ok for things not to live forever

[cursive peak]

A game with just under 70k players at the moment probably doesn't need to be shut down anytime soon.

[potent wolf]

it will be shut down next week

you heard it here first

[crisp cedar]

valve hasnt shut down artifact servers itd make no sense to shut tf2 down

they wont shut it down while steam prints money

[rare creek]

so basically smissmas 2024 is the last tf2 update,,.

[crisp cedar]

no

[potent wolf]

yep

[crisp cedar]

jungle inferno or whatever was the last valve update

[potent wolf]

the item servers will be taken offline soon

[crisp cedar]

we havent had valve updates in years

[rare creek]

no that would be the 64 bit upda

[crisp cedar]

that wasnt valve

[rare creek]

fake

[crisp cedar]

joshie isnt valve

[rare creek]

what about the loob mool uipdatge

[crisp cedar]

what

oh blue moon

[rare creek]

mojn

yej

[crisp cedar]

okay

[rare creek]

i started playing tf2 in septemebr 2018

[crisp cedar]

that still means there have been multiple years since the last valve tf2 major update

love & war

2014 i think

[broken haven]

tf2 turning 20 in 2027 makes me happy

this game been a part of my life for like, 11 years

[potent wolf]

what branch of Source did the vscript code come from?

[rare creek]

valve

[tacit flare]

It's a cycle. They broke one, but created another.

[summer steeple]

l4d2

[potent wolf]

yeah i figured

[summer steeple]

its also slightly worse than l4d2 in a few places because ficool forgor a couple things when porting

so strings cause a memory leak if you don't manually tell the game to clear them

or smth

[potent wolf]

interestingly, it seems like they pulled some stuff from a later branch

[small siren]

*interestingly,

it seems like they pulled some stuff

from a later branch*

- replay

[summer steeple]

wdym

[potent wolf]

g_Script_vscript_server explicitly mentions Portal 2

and it's not mentioned int the l4d2 version of that script

[summer steeple]

interesting

[potent wolf]

might have been from the csgo branch but idk

IScriptVM is definitely from l4d2 though

[summer steeple]

for reference

also here's the memory leak i was talking about

[potent wolf]

1c1
< //========== Copyright \xa9 2008, Valve Corporation, All rights reserved. ========
---
> //========== Copyright \xc2\xa9 2008, Valve Corporation, All rights reserved. ========
53a54,60
> /*
> UNDONE FOR PORTAL2 BRANCH:
> We\'re not suing the auto-connecting of outputs, always calling ConnectOuput explicitly in our scripts.
> The regexp object doesn\'t save/load properly and causes a crash when used to match after a save/load.
> Instead of fixing this, we\'re disabling the feature. If this class of problem comes up more we might
> revisit, otherwise we\'ll leave if off and broken.
> 
67a75
> */
137a146
>       ::ScriptHookCallbacks <- {};
189a199
>       __CollectEventCallbacks( scope, \"OnScriptHook_\", \"ScriptHookCallbacks\", ::RegisterScriptHookListener )
225a236,240
> }
> 
> function __RunScriptHookCallbacks( event, params )
> {
>       __RunEventCallbacks( event, params, \"OnScriptHook_\", \"ScriptHookCallbacks\", false )

Here's a diff of the scripts

[proper tangle]

Honestly I would be fine if no more maps or cosmetics would be added

I know it's probably still going to happen for the next few years at least

I would appreciate more fixes and tweaks to the experience

[unborn pecan]

Dad scout is so handsome in the comics

[radiant merlin]

they did not forgot the twitter account password

https://fxtwitter.com/TeamFortress/status/1870235876959367452

[grim parcel]

holy shit

[rare creek]

tbh i dont want a official team fortress 3 because then it would be on the source 2 engine

[unborn pecan]

tf2 sees a little spike

[unborn pecan]

jollychoo is awesome

[oblique tangle]

i didn't even read the previous comics

i read a section of the first one and all i remember is the guy who was forced to speak with a fake italian accent and forgot how to speak normally

[rare creek]

i cant read so i didnt read comic #7 at all

maybe i could get to halfway through comic #2 if there was subway surfers on the side

[oblique tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-hug-comfort-its-going-to-be-okay-不怕不怕-gif-11235266

[left sand]

https://fxtwitter.com/Wolpaw/status/1870213443221106918

[rare creek]

is that zoom

[radiant merlin]

tf is happening

[summer steeple]

I just finished the comic

[jagged pawn]

what the fuck

[summer steeple]

I'd be lying if i said i wasn't feeling emotional

[jagged pawn]

it's real

I will be reading it immediately

[summer steeple]

its definitely not really where i expected it to go but I think its a good satisfying ending

a wonderful sendoff to all the characters

oh hey at some point while i was reading they fixed this being cut off

[small siren]

*oh hey at some point

while i was reading they fixed

this being cut off*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

it used to look like this lol (image stolen from tf2maps discord)

[radiant merlin]

tf2 reference!!! (very bugged)

[summer steeple]

||also i really like the continuation of the lore that Team Fortress is like the shittiest team that gets all the scraps while all the real mercs are presumably skilled and disciplined and mostly not crazy. They're the black sheep of whatever this organization that the administrator is running is||

[unborn pecan]

I still think the tf2 mercs could solo the other teams 1000000%

Power of plot armor....

[wild grove]

||Didn't these team members die by the TFC mercs while the "bottom of the barrel" mercs we know and love killed em?||

||clearly with the power of the banana hat||

[summer steeple]

||I was curious so i was going back to the previous comic anyway, he specifically names Team Echelon, Team Citadel, and Team Vanguard. I do find it kind of interesting because I would've assumed that the names would go in order of like... skill, especially with the ABCDE statue, but V is i guess better too? maybe its in terms of when they were created and ABCDE just were some of the best anyway so they got all the cool gear (seen in the offices)||

[wild grove]

||ah so team A, B, D, and the tf2 mercs are still alive||

[summer steeple]

||not necessarily, those are just the ones he named||

||well actually, he does say that they "got 'em all", so who knows||

||plot hole i guess||

||side note, I know they probably had the ending at least partially planned out, but its interesting how much a lot of the administrators lines at the end of comic 6 foreshadow the ending||

[proper tangle]

me after finishing reading

[oblique tangle]

how did you guys read 300 pages so fast

is it worth reading everything now?? i don't even play that much tf2 anymore

[potent wolf]

yeah, it's a fun series

[crisp cedar]

its great

[summer steeple]

its also not really 300 pages

its more like 300 clicks

a click could just be 1 panel

[oblique tangle]

i'm also just not very into the lore of competitive games in general

[formal dew]

is good

[oblique tangle]

like there's people who read up all the backstories, watch the netflix series, look for story clues in the game world, im just chilling & fragging

[summer steeple]

the thing about tf2's lore is that its mostly kind of unrelated to the game itself

its kind of more like a fun adventure in the tf2 universe with the characters

the update comics of course are more connected to the game but even then just in the idea of "here's how they got this weapon" or "here's why we're fighting in a giant eyeball"

[formal dew]

the comics are also pretty funny

[summer steeple]

ye

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1308146668117692497/1319827895887200329/Desktop_2024.12.20_-_16.44.23.06.mp4?ex=67676103&is=67660f83&hm=223a8c7a0c15df716c560c3cf1bbc6ad9ad1ed85507a0a50df25a101cbb79292&

[limpid panther]

holy shit

it's finally done

I'm so motional rn

[wild grove]

It was so unexpected ngl

[next nymph]

im pretty sure the message is to have lots of kids (soldier, scout) and let them have adventures (soldier, olivia) instead of keeping them holed up at home (zepheniah)

[slender nexus]

also I just realized the pyro wasn't in the final comic

[cursive peak]

He's there.

[burnt dragon]

pyros not there :(

[cursive peak]

He's there.

Look at Sniper's wine glass. Then look down a few pixels.

[slender nexus]

oh there they are

i looked at that final frame and didn't see them for a bit

[burnt dragon]

HAHAAA SO CUTEEEE

[slender nexus]

yeah but they also didn't really do anything this time

[cursive peak]

Pyro is also there earlier in that panel with the statue of the various teams.

[burnt dragon]

also with medic etc as well

they did good

[burnt dragon]

also in the frame with kids on fireplace

[rare creek]

is santa claus the strongest class in tf2?

[heavy solar]

@rare creek has leveled up! (60 ➜ 61)

[proper tangle]

this woman reached reverse flash levels of spite

fucking legend

[burnt dragon]

shes right it was worth it

it gave us a banger of a game

[limpid panther]

this is the part that I dont get:
|| the comic starts with 3 different situations where the administrator is crying over her loved ones death, but who were they? Her biological parents and two sets of adoptive parents? Why were they all wearing different renditions of the tower of hats? ||

[next nymph]

wasnt one of the lines before ||i dont even remember what started this|| or something

[limpid panther]

|| but the style of the hats in the pile moves forward in time ||

this is what gets me

|| if they were just going with like "who knows what started this!" they wouldn't take care to make each one a little more forwards in time ||

[next nymph]

i think its ||there are reasons and they weren't just a one-off incident, but the details don't matter for us||

[crisp cedar]

||the administrator explained that she doesnt remember why shes doing this but you could assume its revenge on her parents, on this opening cover specifically there are weapon blueprints so you could assume her parents were competitors to mann co's weapons manufacturing||

||although do remember that she has 3 aliases||

||i do like that not all loose ends were tied up here, not that they have to be||

||its also implied she time travels? idk||

[burnt dragon]

that seems like the least likely reason

[limpid panther]

|| I dont think they imply that, its just that she lived for a long time and had to use multiple aliases ||

[limpid panther]

|| yes, she doesnt remember, but what I mean is that if the three cover arts were meant to just convey that she doesnt remember, why would they be so clearly ordered from old-timey to less-old-timey ||

[rare creek]

https://github.com/mastercomfig/mastercomfig/pull/775 @left sand

does htis work

i jave no idea how to test it on windowss

[rare creek]

ohokr i guess it was good enough :D

[slender nexus]

https://fxtwitter.com/iyelendecker/status/1870454957859864694?s=46&t=lKWchgWl2JdGOqtWe56hIQ

[balmy bronze]

I still cant believe that 7th issue actually released and I am not dreaming it or smth

Waiting for 7 years and then getting pinged at 12 am about it

Read it today and it feels so weird like my brain simply cant accept that yeah the wait is over the story is concluded you can go home now

It is a good ending thankfully

[paper sluice]

Butch scout and femme scout

https://tenor.com/view/anguished-jerma-jeram-jerma-germy-jrem-gif-26407201

[cursive peak]

Now they should release print editions.

[summer steeple]

I didn't sleep at all the night before (intentionally) and I fucking pinched myself several times to make sure I didn't just fall asleep

[summer steeple]

ohhh, that'd be so good having a print version of the tf2 comics

I know they kind of take advantage of the fact that its a web comic sometimes but i think they could manage it

even if just for a novelty

some sort of behind the scenes of comic 7

pretty interesting seeing what had been planned for a while

[cursive peak]

Valve has released print editions of comics before.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A820XNY/?coliid=I1WZ5UKDF37AWS&colid=7TLC35UXWDUS&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it

[spare obsidian]

tl;dr?

[next nymph]

tldr: they had this stuff planned for a while, some intended to appear in #6 even, but only really hunkered down to write it in the past 18 months

[summer steeple]

||- Zepheniah being in the australium machine was planned essentially form the start, originally the reveal was going to be at the end of comic 6, but they went with the cliffhanger instead, that same art planned for 6 was used in 7||
||- Administrator's story used to be a LOT longer, and covered her entire life and tied in with essentially every named character ever, no matter how minor, but it was really long and boring||
||- Early draft of comic 7 didn't have the prison scene and jumped straight to them sneaking into the administrator's lair||
||- Christmas scene ending had been mostly written before 6, including spy giving the mask to the scout's daughter, but the ending where they talk to the audience was added recently since Erik Wolpaw watched the finale of The Brave and The Bold and wanted something like that. For reference: https://youtu.be/nk-Nqbl-5rI||
||- last scene with Hale and Maggie was a callback to the postcards they made years ago, and hadbeen planned fomr the state||

• By the time 6 was done, a rough version of 7 was written, but they didn't work on it for most of that time, especially since Jay and Erik left the company for a bit, but yeah, the last 18 months were when a lot of the work was done

WAIT

THEY FUCKING CHANGED COMIC 6 TO RETCON SOMETHING LMAO

ITS AJAX AND NOT VANGUARD ANYMORE

THIS WAS CHANGED LIKE TODAY LOL

[wild grove]

Makes sense there's no ||V in the statue||

[summer steeple]

||Also the statue in the lobby makes a lot more sense now too since there actually is like a stand for a plaque underneath the other 5 that presumably would say F, but got removed cause they're shit lol||

[wild grove]

||Funny to know that the shit team was the one who beat the team killing their best||

[summer steeple]

sidenote: some of (maybe all of?) the cover panels are refernces to real superhero comics, here's the reference for this one

honestly tbh the change to Ajax also makes more sense since the emphasis he puts on it makes it seem like the teams are ranked in terms of skill by their letter

[cursive peak]

As far as print editions go, I'd love it if the comics would get single edition releases. More to look forward to every month on my LCS trip.

Though, they'd likely just release them as a single trade.

[limpid panther]

I am thinking of printing one myself just to put on my shelf

[unborn pecan]

||https://fixupx.com/Texture_Junky/status/1870575265950093807||

Somebody emailed the comic creators

and got cutting room scraps

of ideas

[summer steeple]

i posted it already but its nice to see the source its from

since i just had the image

[unborn pecan]

your welcome fiend (not malewife because we are in mastercomfig)

[small siren]

*your welcome fiend (not

malewife because we are

in mastercomfig0*

- potasiummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmicrowave

[unborn pecan]

so true

haiku bot

[summer steeple]

erm

[unborn pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/666008714393944064.webp?size=48&name=funkeHmm

erm indeeds

[formal dew]

erm

[summer steeple]

someone emailed jay pinkerton asking what the medic's name was

its herbert

so we now know the full names of 5 mercs: scout, soldier (fake name maybe?), demo, engineer, and medic

pyro and spy we don't know anything about, heavy we know his first name is misha, and we know sniper's last name is mundy

and tbh due to how the spy is I bet that he doesn't share his last name with scout (i kind of doubt he ever married his mom), and so willis is probably his mother's last name

[unborn pecan]

holy shit

I love Herbet

[summer steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-16205347759257346444

https://tenor.com/view/herbert-hi-herbert-cat-gif-25807284

[summer steeple]

wait this has an explosion no shit wait

[unborn pecan]

I love herbert

so much

[unborn pecan]

Herberts are IEDs bro

get with the time

[balmy bronze]

Exploding from cuteness

[orchid sorrel]

This is just how it feels to play med

[rare creek]

I've peaked, it's only downhill from here

[rare creek]

btw

[oblique tangle]

i'd be careful brotha, you could end up in a VNN hl3 speculation video next

bro loves using tf2 gameplay for sure

[paper sluice]

tf2 comic knows ball

[radiant merlin]

what if

melees behave like in l4d2

instead of like a bullet

[paper sluice]

how would backstabs work with that 🤔

click then wildly shake your mouse til it connects

[uncut spear]

damn a whole ass qte

[unborn pecan]

https://fixupx.com/JohnnysStars/status/1870960811902111815

Scout's mother is still alive

Awesome

[burnt dragon]

milf fans were in shambles

[summer steeple]

eyyy they also posted the portrait of scout and his mom

look at that wide eyed young scout

[unborn pecan]

He looks so wholesome

This is why you should NOT raise your kids in boston

[rare creek]

SCOUT'S MOM IS A WOMAN??!?!??

[rare creek]

love casual queue system

[unborn pecan]

Were you queing for some randomass map

Also

It's like 5am in the US

If you dont' have a big enough ping limit

You're not gonna be queued for a lot of games

[rare creek]

no I was queing for 17 of the 19 smissmas maps

[high current]

Is that 24 seconds or minutes? I’ve never had a casual queue last more than like 2 minutes unless I was only queued for manpower or pass time

Wait that’s 24 seconds. WTF are you complaining about????

[small siren]

*Wait that’s 24

seconds. WTF are you

complaining about????*

- peachestv

[high current]

Nvm idk how to read clocks. Why wouldn’t you just requeue after like 5 minutes? Queue was probably borked because someone didn’t pray to gaben before clicking it

[rare creek]

24 minutes

[velvet raft]

he's literally young Jerma

you can't tell me otherwise

[summer steeple]

ain't no way

also apparently we have known sniper's name all along, one of the figures they made of him says his first name is mick

[rare creek]

how do we know if any of this is real

[unborn pecan]

LOLOLOL

[mystic anchor]

merry christmas to the countries that celebrate it

[unborn pecan]

It's not christmas yet?

[summer steeple]

unless jay posts about it publically somewhere we don't

[unborn pecan]

but thanks you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1055994572385304586.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=STEAMHAPPYSPIN

[summer steeple]

but it seems pretty likely

[rare creek]

just to the countries? what about the people in those countries...

[unborn pecan]

I am going to email you

[email protected]

[rare creek]

i emailed mastercoms

they never responded

[mystic anchor]

it is

[unborn pecan]

oh wait

europe

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/666008714393944064.webp?size=48&name=funkeHmm

Merry Christmass Eve

[summer steeple]

mcoms has valve's email filter enabled because she works for valve

[mystic anchor]

Nordic countries + Poland + Hungary*

[unborn pecan]

and everything after them

Iran

China

Parts of Russia

the Stans

Vietnam

[mystic anchor]

They dont celebrate the 24th iirc

[unborn pecan]

oh wait

Is this an Orthodox Christmas?

[mystic anchor]

No it's a nordic christmas

[unborn pecan]

Orthodox Christmas does 12 days of christmas, their final day is Janurary seventh

[grim parcel]

can i email jay pinkerton a kiss

[rare creek]

no

[unborn pecan]

no, but you can email me one

[mystic anchor]

Yup

But we're not orthodox

[grim parcel]

does he even write for tf2

i think he does right

[grim parcel]

[email protected]

[summer steeple]

he and erik wolpaw were the lead writers on the tf2 comics

[unborn pecan]

[email protected]

yues

[rare creek]

is erik wolpaw real?

[summer steeple]

yeah

[grim parcel]

i knew it

i remember random names

[summer steeple]

I've been hoodwinked
https://fxtwitter.com/hobqueer/status/1871336484969848949

there was something about it that felt off tbh, the fact that there was no signature

but i still fell for it

@rare creek i'd like to give my sincerest apologies for being wrong and spreading false information

[oblique tangle]

if it's ambiguous

then in my mind it remains, Eugene Hinkle.

[rare creek]

butwait,,, what if this IS fake,..

[summer steeple]

damn i didn't think of that

the reverse reverse gaslight

[kind falcon]

Haha! Glad you asked,

thats not how bro talks sorry

[limpid panther]

these people are gonna receive so many death threats omg

[kind falcon]

doubt

[radiant merlin]

?

Update?

[summer steeple]

merry christmas, here’s bugfix update

(honestly surprised they pushed an update today)

[radiant merlin]

we are not getting an update til march so

[formal dew]

March 2026

[wild grove]

Glad cause the three cosmetics I was waiting for fixes and they finally came!

[potent wolf]

https://steamdb.info/depot/232257/ Am I misremembering or was this previously private

[eternal haven]

Would steamdb be able to get the change history if it was private?

[small siren]

*Would steamdb be able

to get the change history

if it was private?*

- x

[potent wolf]

not sure, i think the manifests are (were?) available in the appinfo, but encrypted

https://steamdb.info/depot/232257/history/?changeid=M%3A4797708003880603728

[unborn pecan]

Aren't these like

Fixes from the community makers?

[summer steeple]

yeah but they still had to press the button to push it to live

[unborn pecan]

I'm sure they can do it remotely

[velvet raft]

best mod ever created

[burnt dragon]

thats not fempyro?

[radiant merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/itve1-itve-hl2-half-life-in-the-end-gif-26248969

[mystic anchor]

watch this reflect

[formal dew]

nice

[wild grove]

Kinda worried about the player number jump, it was 72k at 7:00 UTC on the 25th but then increased to 90k at 9:00 than to more than 100k at 10:00 UTC

[rare creek]

why

[wild grove]

not worried anymore.

[rare creek]

why

[wild grove]

cause common sense, it was xmas.

People get the day off.

[rare creek]

no it's bots

real humans are spending xmas with their families

bots are just gettin the crates

to sell for <1 cent per piece

but it's just economy scam bots so it's fine it wont affect the gameplay

[rare creek]

i opened tf2 once for like 30 minutes in the time of christmas eve + christmas

[kind falcon]

jesty zesus the game is dead DEAD ECONOMY GUYS... THE CASE IS 1 CENT... DEAD GAME..

[wild grove]

the cheaper the case, the more to gamble 😈

[jagged pawn]

||I kinda disagree with the premise, they all look like they happened around the same time. and I definitely agree with the theory that she just doesn't remember. maybe they were shot, maybe they were poisoned, maybe she just doesn't remember at all, all she has left is rage||

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480079567458140171/1322249631903776883/F_6j2MObgAAqy_Q.png?ex=6770306e&is=676edeee&hm=5a320fb6f60a464e9678f8e1192cefd5ea4d7732e9f6f023eb9877306ac0a487&

[high current]

That’s bullying

[orchid sorrel]

oh ok

[crisp cedar]

https://fxtwitter.com/Ducksink/status/1872668083879546973

[summer steeple]

the what

[next nymph]

it includes a coconut png

[floral sandal]

who made that?

[slender nexus]

merasmus drinks monster energy

[oblique tangle]

FAKEFACTORY fully modeled

[unborn pecan]

@teal sand

[teal sand]

https://tenor.com/3dC3.gif

[elfin isle]

disabling map ambient noise is not possible?

[high current]

It is. It’s a common thing. Doesn’t get rid of niche custom ambient sounds though, but a majority of them

[elfin isle]

How to do it?

[high current]

Mastercomfig.app has it. I think it’s like soundscape removal

[elfin isle]

oh i didn't notice i had that already

thanks

https://github.com/FancyBanana/TF2-EasyScript
Did this scripting thing ever take off? Does anyoene make use if it in here?

[rare creek]

no

[summer steeple]

iirc coms is planning something a bit similar for the next version of comfig, I could be wrong though

[high current]

That looks kinda neat. If they really can bind every key I’d like to see how they bound the ESC, ;, and ~ keys. Because I tried and failed, and some of them would be nice bind keys.

[summer steeple]

; is bindable

let me see what I used to bind it

bind semicolon

and looking at the code, it looks like ESC is just "escape"

[rare creek]

who hates themselves so much they change the bind for the pause button

[summer steeple]

and it looks like ~ is just `

so don't hold shift for it

this is the stuff i hate the most

like why are some shortened and some not

i guess cause some of the ones that aren't on the numpad aren't

actually in hindsight, I remember having keyboards which just had those shortened names

but my current one has the full name

[rare creek]

please just rename them to shit like kp_1-kp_9 valve what the fuck is this i hate you so much valge

[summer steeple]

windows users stay winning

probably still works on other platforms but its called windows :)

[rare creek]

fuckign

who would bind the windows keys and do separately it for both sides of their keyboard??????????????????????????????

[summer steeple]

true gamers

ctrl is too far away, use windows key to crouch

[rare creek]

🙁

[high current]

Boutta start using ESDF for movement and A for crouch for ergonomics

[rare creek]

get a mmo mouse and bind every key to a mouse button

[high current]

I think escape might not be bindable though, like its function is hardcoded. Or maybe that’s just in menus.

[summer steeple]

its possible

[high current]

MMO mice too heavy and not enough polling rate 🤓

[rare creek]

how is 1000 polling rate not enough

if it's too heavy maybe your hands are just small and weak idk

[small siren]

*if it's too heavy

maybe your hands are just small

and weak idk*

- totallynotniteruxiswear

[high current]

These old joints don’t move like they used to

I don’t actually care about that junk too much. I have a lighter than average mouse and 8000hz compatibility, but tf2 shits the bed above 1000.

But mmo mice haven’t been updated since like 2014 and they all suck cheeks

[next nymph]

tape a numpad to the side of your mouse, make any into an MMO mouse

[spring kestrel]

Ye they work on other platforms

[spring kestrel]

I do that

Well it's not an MMO mouse but I use mouse 4 for secondary and mouse5 for melee

I used to use crouch on mouse5

[arctic chasm]

the urge to make my game look like absolute shit even tho i will regret it not even a day l8r

[spring kestrel]

True

[floral sandal]

is the rainblower taunt achievment broken? tried doing several times on community server and would not work

[kind falcon]

ignite without killing

[high current]

You shouldn’t do any modifications to your game you don’t know how to undo. And if you know how to undo them, there should really be any regret.

[arctic chasm]

I KNOW how to undo, it's just that it seems like too many mods to MAKE my game look like shiet

I go on a friendly server often so having that w/ the mods might not be the greatest experience

[burnt dragon]

I need a mod to play slime videos under my screen while tf2 is open

[eternal haven]

Why do both vgui_ui_scale_factor and vgui_ui_scale_height exist?

It seems like they both do the same thing

and vgui_ui_scale_width seems to do nothing unless you set it to 0 then it probably does a divide by 0 or something

[hoary geyser]

I just realized I haven't seen a bot in a while

Of course I don't play super often but still

Did the bot creators finally get bored or something?

[radiant merlin]

some bot creators got banned, valve was actively banning bots accounts for a while (idk if they are still doing it)

so, some got scared, some got bored

who knows

[wild grove]

Idk but I did see the player numbers go severely down today. From 136k back to 64k as of rn.

[velvet raft]

what about the guys using bots on left 4 dead 2 servers?

[wild grove]

people play online?! I just play with friends lol

[wild grove]

Damn they paid money for every individual bot's copy of the game?

[kind falcon]

never heard about people botting on l4d2

another ash bait?

[wild grove]

Versus maybe, I heard that one is toxic af.

[kind falcon]

im teleporting you out of the map

[half rose]

https://knockout.chat/thread/67953/17#post-2467920

hackers evolved.

[radiant merlin]

glad i have a wiki cap c:

try to impersonate me fools

[velvet raft]

they were doing an attack to left 4 dead 2 servers causing lag and deysncs

i think the term is ddos attack or something

https://www.reddit.com/r/l4d2/comments/1dy3vf3/782024_new_ddos_lists_being_managed_laggy_games/

[limpid panther]

anybody good at soldier MGE?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSROR9rwZ8o

[broken haven]

mge brother

[mystic anchor]

axe swinging

[fickle dragon]

Do we know anything more about that "sticky floor" bug on random casual servers? I feel like it's something that started happening after that x64 update.

[high current]

What?

[fickle dragon]

There's like a half second delay when moving around and jumping, I see it happen rarely on casual servers, maybe like once a month. Reconnecting to the server doesn't help and oftentimes when I ask in chat about it, people admit they're having the same thing. Only changing servers entirely helps.

[fickle dragon]

Not easy to see in a video but maybe you can spot the jitter kinda https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/44572054734374011/FBF87B185404376E7ADCE07B40FA5427EC1C2A7F/

[eternal haven]

You make it sound like this is a widespread bug that everyone experiences

I don't think that's true

Do you only get it on valve servers or others also?

[stuck locust]

i've encountered a similar issue, this typically only happens on valve servers in my experience

all movement feels very jittery/delayed, and you can't taunt on any surface

[eternal haven]

Huh

The choked packet count does go up to 8% in his video but I don't think that would be enough to cause it

Especially since it's just a brief spike

[stuck locust]

yeah i don't recall any network inconsistencies when it occurs, it seems to be a server-side issue

and no amount of reconnects solves the issue

i'm assuming it's related to movement jitteriness that can occur when (supposedly) a server is online without being restarted for too long, although i don't recall experiencing this on a community server before, only a few times in valve servers

[stuck locust]

alongside the same stutter-crouch visual bug as shown in the video, and prediction errors spew out whenever you move at all

[high current]

I've been working out the kinks in my hud-based PREC and I think I pretty much got it.

[wild grove]

huds have so much power compared to other games, it's actually insane

[slender nexus]

perc????

[high current]

I mean I wouldn't necessarily accredit it to huds, its some source engine fuckery that just so happens to deal with huds

[unborn pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1256367654088998914.webp?size=48&name=glorpie

[summer steeple]

fun thing I just learned, apparently valve does some work on their end to add extra functionality to taunts when they get added

for the new demo golfing taunt, the workshop upload just animated the head on a bone, but valve went in and actually made it spawn a gib instead!

and they also left some devonly cvars for how the gib spawns

for reference, the new devonly cvars

also as I found out, a lot of the audio for taunts is done by valve, you can look at a lot of the workshop pages for taunts and see that the audio they play (if its not a voiceline) isn't the same as the version ingame

example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7se0k_VDvE

example 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mePbBYTu5E4

example 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUWFMWtTgMs

[wild grove]

The squeezebox is actually interesting cause that taunt was added post-jungle inferno

The other two can be excused as "this was when VALVe had a more active dev team"

oh i'm stupid lol

squeezebox was 2017

[summer steeple]

also like, those were just examples

the demoman taunt was added in the last update

[cursive peak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NuVtZ2SvcI

[half rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F41F6aPc1D4

TF2 LSFG 3.0 Test 😏

[kind falcon]

me when free fps causes my crosshair to move

[burnt dragon]

you can increase frames of a man

but they will keep using phlog

[tacit flare]

The phlogging will continue until Valve does balance changes, which is never.

[wild grove]

The "imma press M2, walk up to the enemy, and die" weapon

[high current]

Phlog is fine tbh. There’s way more egregious weapons.
Honestly if you die to phlog, 99% of the time it’s your fault. The remaining 1% is phlog canceling tech that should just remove the uber when the taunt ends.

Wrangler, scorch shot, and fists of steel would be on my list of “balance these and you’d never have to update the game again”

[uncut spear]

counter to phlog: random crit rocket

[high current]

Honestly splash flares in general should have the after burn scale with the splash. So farther from the flare detonation gives less afterburn. Seems like an oversight seeing as they changed flame throwers to basically do that in JI

[jagged pawn]

the weapons that people choose to complain about are always so funny to me

like, phlog is probably the worst flame thrower. scorch shot isn't even a top 3 pyro secondary

[zealous pond]

That's why it needs to be able to easily chain crits and gain full health on taunt again.

[hoary geyser]

scorch shot isn't good it's just annoying

phlog is fine it's just an annoying playstyle

[summer steeple]

annoying != broken

not having airblast is a serious downside, but it doesn't prevent the fact that walking around a corner and instantly dying to a phlog crit feels like shit

[drowsy marlin]

THey should give the rocket launcher the phlog boost but with the downside of no rocket jumping

that would be balanced

[zealous pond]

Only if it self-heals then we're good.

Also give it the OG Cow Mangler stats.

[zealous pond]

Just sit in an area where you can't get ambushed around corners.

Phlog itself isn't that big of a deal unless the Pyro is being pocketed, and even then you can just pop them up with one rocket and call it a day.

[high current]

Scorch shot is like objectively best tho

[hoary geyser]

Panic Attack my beloved

Shotguns are cooler than flare guns anyway

[high current]

Shotgun would be my preferred but I feel like you’re really committing yourself to exclusively close range which pyro gets outclassed by a lot of things at. Even then I think flare fun is probably better because you can hypothetically land a crit flare and secure a kill before you get insta gibbed

[hoary geyser]

Yeah I guess that's true

But it's also nice as it gives you a huge advantage over other pyros without shotguns

And you can do some very high damage at close range

[high current]

I could see an argument for detonator being better than scorch shot, but the things that detonator is best at scorch shot does 90% as well for 10% the effort and has a boat load more that it can do.

I guess pyro v pyro scorch shot shotgun wins. I just try to not fight pyros at close range. Or I just track them with flamethrower because people forget about the change in JI that rewards tracking players.

Isn’t there some pyro v pyro flare gun tech? Not saying flare gun is the strongest but I think other than “fun to play” factor it’s the only other unlock that excels at its own niche.
And even then I think flare seems like it’d be fun to be good at

[jagged pawn]

LOLLLLLL

you pretty much said it yourself. it's 90% of a detonator

no reason to equip it

[high current]

Except it’s easier, does more direct damage, mini crits burning targets, knocks back targets, has like a 50% chance to stun-lock a target in place for a second, has like a 25% chance to stun-lock and double hit a target for like 90 total damage + afterburn

Like yeh detonator can clear stickies better in the situation they’re placed on the top of a door you want to walk through, and detonator can rocket jump better. But scorch shot does the same thing in all but those two situations.
Hence why it’s the only banned pyro secondary in HL.

[zealous pond]

Det is easier honestly.

I never understood why people think Scorch is easier.

[eternal haven]

Is flare gun not better than both

easy crits

scorch shot is just for annoying people and det is for sure the hardest to use out of the 3

[high current]

Shoot ground.

[high current]

I think it depends on the metric. I think in close range people can get good enough with flame+flare combo to make it the best burst damage weapon. But the problem is it’s a slow projectile with no splash damage, so by medium range any player with a brain is going to be able to dodge it if they’re paying attention, and by the time you hit them once they will be paying attention so the crit is out of the picture.
So then you’re hard-stuck close range pyro. Which people already play to counter flamethrower by just letting go of W and killing you from 15 feet away.

Meanwhile with any other flare gun you lose the real combo potential, but you’re probably going to be putting out more damage and dying less with detonator or scorch shot.

[eternal haven]

Idk

All you have to do is hit a burning player with it and you do instant 90 damage + 60 afterburn

[cursive peak]

Det improves your mobility, Scorch gives you better general harassment, Flare and Shotty for close range burst.

[eternal haven]

There are burning players all over when you're playing pyro

flare gun is almost like a rocket launcher

[high current]

I honestly haven’t seen burning players everywhere since JI tbh. Usually there’s at most 2 on a team in pubs and one is TimmyTurner2017 and currently dead, and you’re the other. Either going for 2 shots with flare or going for puff and sting combo, then see above.

[eternal haven]

Yeah I guess you're right

It's only really OP at close to mid range

[high current]

And in comp you’re the only pyro on your team and the other pyros job is to extinguish people, and your throwing if you aren’t deleting stickies

I think scorch shot is the most lame unlock though. It doesn’t excel at anything so it doesn’t really have an identity you can lean into. But it does the same thing as every other option well enough that you’re almost never disadvantaged by running it over the alternatives. Which bothers me

[cursive peak]

I do kinda miss the days when the good options were Flare and Shotty. Made secondary choice easier.

[high current]

And it’s sucks to play against. And it sucks to play with.
If a weapon isn’t fun for anyone it should be changed, balance be damned

[eternal haven]

Scorch shot is funny on those x100 servers

[high current]

Even old rescue ranger reserve shooter was interesting. It was cheese as hell but still had personality

[eternal haven]

It just lights everyone on the map on fire

[high current]

I also wish panic attack pyro was better. In theory it should work well, but in practice no one ever gets close enough for it to be better than shotgun.

Also bring back old flame particles

[eternal haven]

For real

The new ones are so bright and they block your view

[wild grove]

maybe if someone babied valve step by step how to change the flame particles to look nicer, we'd have it added, but aint no one wanna go thru the effort of step by step replication LOL.

[drowsy marlin]

Whenever I get hit by a scorch shot I immediately assume the pyro is running phlog

What kind of psycho uses scorch shot without phlog?

[wild grove]

Whenever I ss-hit I immediately assume the g-yro is ss-hot

[drowsy marlin]

I agree with whatever that means

[wild grove]

I youtube pooped on your text

[drowsy marlin]

https://x.com/real_hotaru/status/1877833399374598593

唯我独尊・宮内蛍 (@real_hotaru) on X

Twitter · Jan 10, 2025, 9:42 PM

[wild grove]

spaghetti, dinner, all that jazz

[wild grove]

This is why I am not 100% cringing at skidibi toilet, I just find it funny that they monitised a sfm shitpost, and are now making a movie out of it. Like imagine if they monotized those gmod shitposts back then, we would've gotten a 2010s gmod shitpost movie.

[wild grove]

I missed an oppertunity btw, I could've done that last bit with "What kind of psycho uses ss-hit instead of ss-h-a-r-t?"

[mystic turtle]

not to bring back an old convo, but as one of the few folks here with a somewhat dogshit connection the scorch is a nobrainer for me unless my network isn't too pressed for bandwidth and ping.

say what you want about detonator flare jumps being superior and the AoE being actually useful (both valid points), but until it's possible for the game to properly predict projectiles both are good as useless to me

the flare either explodes right in my face or explodes a mile away from its target

[tacit flare]

10,000 years afterburn.

[elfin isle]

is there a good script for saving position and getting back to it?

[small siren]

*is there a good script

for saving position and

getting back to it?*

- 1211gott1

[elfin isle]

is there a getclass console command?

[proper tangle]

Yeah... I wouldn't use that on any multiplayer online game

or fighting game

[high current]

iirc GetPos and SetPos

[elfin isle]

i know of those but there are some issues, it's for you're head so if you load back to it it spawns you in the air

[elfin isle]

ok, there's getpos 2 which does that

[oblique tangle]

how would one save the getpos output and input it into a setpos arg?

[stuck locust]

i don't think there's a way to do it in tf2 automatically

at least no easy way

maybe something could be done with rcon

[oblique tangle]

maybe with alias binds

[stuck locust]

unfortunately, no

[oblique tangle]

oh but commands can't read console output

[stuck locust]

if we had source2 functionality, then we could do it easily

since there's a pipe function iirc

[oblique tangle]

source makes me weep

[stuck locust]

if there was a way to log the console output to a file and append text to a line (since normally every new console entry has its own line) then you could do it

but i don't think you can append text to a line

so some custom program would be needed

[oblique tangle]

source 1.5

[eternal haven]

Is it not easy with rcon?

Just getpos setpos via rcon using any programming language you want

Enabling rcon in your client is just -usercon and set rcon_password, if you want it to work on the main menu prior to joining a game you need to net_start

[elfin isle]

bind q "con_logfile console.log; getpos 2; con_logfile 0;"

have a hardlink for console.log and a .cfg
then a button to exec the .cfg

can you tell me more about rcon?

[stuck locust]

oh wait, that's right

you get full commands with getpos, not just the coordinates

so no line appendings to the console output or rcon needed

[high current]

Can even use sixense_clear_bindings and sixense_write_bindings log.txt to clear the file

[eternal haven]

rcon is just using the tf2 console over the network, any program that can create a tcp socket can run console commands and view their results

[radiant merlin]

ffs

why are there days when i hit everything with the sniper

[oblique tangle]

sleep quality could impact your gameplay a lot

[high current]

Honestly my aim is the nuttiest when I have mid sleep. Too tired and I have the reactions of a stoner. Too well rested and my brain overcooks my aim. There’s a sweet spot where my brain isn’t thinking but my aim is cracked.

[next nymph]

mixing stimulants with tranquilizers for the same effect

[oblique tangle]

amphetamines:

[kind falcon]

stimulants with tranqs so ure like chill and can make great decisions ..

[next nymph]

so me rn

[high current]

I have adhd so doc gives me amphetamines and tranquilizers anyway

[next nymph]

doc knows what gamers need

[proper tangle]

more energy drinks

and lootboxes

[high current]

Sports betting

[kind falcon]

lootbox

[zealous pond]

You know what's easier than shooting ground? Right clicking near someone, like how airshotting someone with a detted sticky is easier than a rocket.

[next nymph]

maybe the detonator speed just throws me off (too used to stickies) but I always felt in terms of easy hits: stickies > shooting the ground > detonator

[high current]

yeh I agree, its a lot easier to fire and forget with the scorch shot. I think detonator flies faster than stickies, maybe its more comparable to like quickie bomb launcher, but I dont use that either

[next nymph]

stickies can also touch a wall and still be detted

[zealous pond]

It just seems like there's less room for error when you can just detonate above or around enemies, rather than hope they're grounded or too slow to evade.

[next nymph]

the room for error is in detonating too early or too late/not at all

[oblique tangle]

did i hit the timing?

[next nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/nerdcity-dap-dap-nft-dead-avatar-project-nerd-city-gif-17527579827251385086

[zealous pond]

Yeah, but that's EZ.

[high current]

I think shooting people in the toes is easier. But maybe that’s just the soldier main in me

[oblique tangle]

you can also shoot yourself in the toes

if you do it with a rocket launcher and jump at the same time, you'll perform the so called rocket jump

[drowsy marlin]

TF2 does a really good job in making your weapons feel like they do damage

[high current]

The single shot weapons yeh. I think if you didn’t use hitsounds then things like flamethrower or minigun might feel underwhelming.
Flamethrower in particular, cuz you can’t see shit when you’re using it so you basically only have hitsounds.

[eternal haven]

When I first started playing tf2 I thought the sniper rifle felt underwhelming compared to snipers in other games

Feels normal now though

[high current]

The sniper rifle in tf2 is interesting. It doesn’t feel powerful, but it feels very crisp.
Which imo is really nice. Seems like there was an arms race in games to just make the most exaggerated cannon of a sniper rifle. Meanwhile tf2 sniper was playing a different game of its own

[left sand]

If 6s was its own standalone game separate from TF2, what would that look like?

would there even be offclasses? loadouts?

[next nymph]

either no offclasses or more offclasses

[zealous pond]

I don't think game devs would expend resources on entire classes/characters that are only meant to be fielded for two minutes per round in niche scenarios, so no offclasses.

[left sand]

would it be just soldiers with innate gunboats and an ability to disarm them and give them escape plan effects?

would scout just have a scattergun and pistol and then an out of combat triple jump?

would medic have a choice between kritz and uber? when would this choice be available to him?

[paper sluice]

Are you talking about if it was its own game and had its own rebalanced to better fit the 6s format or

[left sand]

yeah

[paper sluice]

hmmm

idfk lol
i wish i knew more about deadlock to kinda sorta base what they would change but idk anything

and i dont even know enough about 6s period 😔

all i know is scout soldier and demo good

[next nymph]

nah itd be winger and something like the boston basher

[left sand]

id assume scout could just get faster ubercharge rate out of combat

[small siren]

*id assume scout could

just get faster ubercharge

rate out of combat*

- mcoms

[drowsy marlin]

What if medic didnt obtain his max uber charge rate on patients who are under the effect of a debuff, and took damage in the past 3 seconds

[high current]

You'd probably just have scout and demo take turns building, I don't think it would look that different. Generally if demo actually has something to do then scout probably shouldnt be building anway

[high current]

I think if you made changes to sorta bake-in current tech then the game would lose a lot of depth. Also having to build manually actually has a pretty good amount of skill expression. I think you'd lose that if you switched to scout just innately having a crit-build mechanic. Also soldiers would have an even worse time in saccs.

I think you'd probably just not have introduced the banned weapons to begin with, there probably wouldn't be any heal-on-damage weapons (I think they're all banned anway?), and random crits just wouldn't be a mechanic.

[left sand]

hmm yeah

[drowsy marlin]

https://vxtwitter.com/LocalBateman/status/1879362881549946974

[burnt dragon]

that golden pan can replace his whole desk and refurnish his room

he can let the computer on fire at this point

[grim parcel]

are golden pans actually worth that much?

[high current]

Depends on the furniture and the computer. Gold pans are like $7k.
If he has a $1k-$2k computer that only leaves $5k for the remaining furniture in his room. If you buy like a used bed frame that doesn't take a box spring thats an easy budget.
But if you're buying everything new, beds are highway robbery...

Plus then you need a new desk and all that non-bed furniture. And maybe some medical bills if he did that desk damage with his arms

[burnt dragon]

his desk is a thin layer of cardboard, if you tried to sell that to anyone they would spit on your face and ask for 30 bucks to take it from your hand

I suspect rest of the room is any better

also 5k dollars is a hefty amount

[high current]

Cardboard can still have sharp edges and you forearms arent the most resistant to sharp objects. Also hands / arm bones aren't the toughest bones, so if he did that with his fists he definitely could have broken a knuckle.

[burnt dragon]

oh yeah medical bills, america, fair

[high current]

I mean yeh you could definitely refurnish a room for $5k very nicely. You just can't be willy nilly about it is all. You'd probably have to cheap out on a couple new things or spend a couple days going to used furniture stores to find some well made old stuff

[burnt dragon]

well there goes that golden pan and that computer and the house, dudes bankrupt now :(

I love looking at old second hand stores

old lady ones always have some stuff they dont know the value of

got a 3ds xl on dsi price today :D

[high current]

My computer desk is like a 1920s roll top cedar desk.
It weights like 600 lbs and I'm pretty sure it'd stop a bullet

[oblique tangle]

https://comfig.app/huds/page/hud-fixes/
@weak kindle

[crisp cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1i3t809/average_video_game_learning_curve_vs_tf2s/

true? or false

[next nymph]

phrenology but for videogames

[potent wolf]

I should try drawing random curves and and adding arrows

[high current]

Wayyyyyy too steep at the upper end for both.

[left sand]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Zebe98

[radiant merlin]

team fortress the second

[slender nexus]

team fortress dos

[drowsy marlin]

When are they making a TFii live action movie

[mystic turtle]

when Merasmus pays off his debts to the mafias of the world

[high current]

Merasmus just has to Halloween cosmute into a money pile

[burnt dragon]

that feeling when mad milk hits the spot

[unborn pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/raid-boss-jinx-cat-cat-jinx-poorly-made-gif-24125719

[oblique tangle]

good use of my only nametag?

[next nymph]

rename scattergun to "meatshot 8)"

[oblique tangle]

why he kinda look like jerma789

[left sand]

Why is Cutter not in the map rotation?

ah

[oblique tangle]

that's literally 1 mesh object

why not just change it & ship a new version

😭

[proper tangle]

Part of me kinda wishes that all maps had christmas variants that worked like Pyroland

I know its not feasible and it would limit how much you could change

but still

[crisp cedar]

i meaaannn

kind of feasible

...with source 2

[potent wolf]

...with source 1

[crisp cedar]

isnt pyroland just some texture swaps and thats it

aside from like

the laughing and whatever

it doesnt swap models iirc

[paper sluice]

I think it’s possible to do isn’t pyroland stuff just defined in a text file

It just says replace x texture with y iirc

And some other stuff

[next nymph]

isnt there a few model swaps

[crisp cedar]

i could be wrong but im sure it doesnt

it does change model textures though

...i think

[next nymph]

maybe thats what im thinking of

[crisp cedar]

OH!

the uh

[paper sluice]

No wait I’m wrong the text file is a whitelist of maps pyrovision is enabled on, which you can add to
I think there’s a way to add more pyrovision textures but exactly how idk

[crisp cedar]

ammo health pickups

[paper sluice]

Oh yeah don’t they have a ribbon

[crisp cedar]

pickups, gibs are changed but i feel like thats not, like

map-specific

cause we do have hallowen pickups too

Other players also receive minor cosmetic changes that are not visible outside of Pyroland. The Soldier, Pyro, and Demoman's grenade packs (and items that override them) are replaced with baby bottles,

is this true? i do not remember this at all

ive literally never seen this

i have never seen these

[paper sluice]

Yeah what

[crisp cedar]

wtf

[paper sluice]

Wtf

[crisp cedar]

did they break it

[paper sluice]

10000%

[proper tangle]

**Me sending an email to Valve asking them to port TF2 to source 2 just to "fix" this one "issue"

[paper sluice]

Tf2 cut content 😮😮

[proper tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-ceno0-heavy-gif-20401109

[potent wolf]

source 2 is basically magic

[crisp cedar]

im more thinking of how source 2 handles giving maps "skins"

[potent wolf]

you just type convert_to_s2 and it magically works

[crisp cedar]

dota has a system that lets them have the same map functionally but be able to alter its visuals drastically

[paper sluice]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/12sf35h/til_in_pyroland_the_whiff_of_the_old_brimstone/

Baby bottles is in game

Just doesn’t show on default lmao

[paper sluice]

Oh huh

[crisp cedar]

but it says it also includes items that override them

which implies you dont need any items

for them to be replaced

[paper sluice]

Yeah

Brokck en game

[crisp cedar]

so its broken, just for default

maybe down the line they had to remove it or they broke it by fixing something with body groups or whatever the fuck

i dont remember

[paper sluice]

https://preview.redd.it/pyroland-babies-mod-or-something-v0-p7q3a29pppub1.png?width=1063&format=png&auto=webp&s=8fe8abceb5ab9a573c1e7b6456f53660e77289a1

They should add this in source 2

[crisp cedar]

too far

[paper sluice]

You’re a hater.

[potent wolf]

does this work in anything other than dota?

[crisp cedar]

i dont know they havent implemented it in anywhere else lol

[potent wolf]

im guessing its a custom system specifically for it, given the "tile editor" name

which makes sense for dota, but not as much for cs2 for example

[proper tangle]

for (map in all_maps){
convert_to_s2_and_override(map)
}

ez

[crisp cedar]

but if they can do it in dota i dont see why itd be impossible for a source 2 tf2 thingy

with event variants of maps

actually no

i guess thatd break a lot of them

since a lot of event maps add stuff like bosses or pumpkin bombs

and spells and etc

[proper tangle]

aren't a lot of event maps made by the community tho?

[crisp cedar]

arent a lot of maps in general made by the community now

[small siren]

*arent a lot of maps

in general made by the

community now*

- rayne

[proper tangle]

good bot

just wondering how that would work

[paper sluice]

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Dota_2_Workshop_Tools/Level_Design/Tile_Editor

[proper tangle]

does valve just own the maps sent to the game?

[paper sluice]

I didn’t read it very far but looks specified to just dota gameplay

[potent wolf]

yeah

[crisp cedar]

i mean more that i think it wouldnt be too far fetched to adapt it for normal traditional games

[potent wolf]

obviously you could implement something for other games but arguably you can do that in source 1 too

[crisp cedar]

yeah but in any case i think

my proposal falls flat

[proper tangle]

Also, outside of the maps valve itself created, aren't all map updates (if any) sent by the creators themselves?

[crisp cedar]

since the whole point of that system is to have different appearances with identical gameplay but most event maps do not infact have identical gameplay

[potent wolf]

for tf2 you could probably get away with being able to disable props & entities when pyroland is off

[proper tangle]

like, valve doesnt touch the maps unless they have created it

or am I mistaken

[crisp cedar]

idk i just know you need to send them the source files

you cant compile them yourself

[potent wolf]

they do ask map authors to make changes though iirc

[radiant merlin]

are rockets supposed to collide with buildings even at close range?

[left sand]

yeah tilesets arent going to work for cs2 or tf2

though there are other features in source 2 that would allow for map customization

but it wouldnt be a simple thing, every map would need to be reworked and marked up

[proper tangle]

Here's hoping they take advantage of that in deadlock at least

Specially since, if some reports are to be believed, that deadlock will feature other gamemodes beyond the "moba" one

[high current]

Could go either way, I’d assume so. Rockets not colliding with teammates is so you don’t accidentally blow yourself up when your teammate runs out of nowhere in front of you.
Buildings don’t really do that so logically it seems right? But I don’t know

[velvet raft]

idk why this reminds me of Garry

like he wants to keep implementing stuff on Sandbox and some map makers just say 'bro just do it in Source 1"

[burnt dragon]

tf2 circumcised content :O

[burnt dragon]

is the vac down?

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/22C0-03D0-AE4B-04E8

its sending me to this page

but I didnt modify anything

[kind falcon]

u sure

[burnt dragon]

switched to tf2c

cba with fixing it will try later

[oblique tangle]

tf2 is indeed down

[high current]

They forgot to water the potted plant

[oblique tangle]

@shut wagon have u tried crosshair "1"

[potent wolf]

there's a whole thread to use in #1019788401588830249 😭

[crisp cedar]

bruh

[oblique tangle]

all spy

[kind falcon]

gunspy awesome .. knife.. not awesome

you shall not do the things your class is supposed to

[oblique tangle]

be quiet niterux

[kind falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734879832881496145/1332512879391412255/grazing.gif

[wild grove]

the grass is unreal... engine 5

[kind falcon]

wow the grass is only good for making videos now

[wild grove]

Grass is making the game RUN AT 5 FPS WTF?!

[small siren]

*Grass is making the

game RUN AT 5 FPS

WTF?!*

- woshee

[eternal haven]

Just buy 5090 bro

[burnt dragon]

I have been holding off since several years to get a good desktop until an actually good gpu equal to 1080ti in todays standarts gets released

thats not like 6 gazillion dollars

so my only hope so far seems to be intel gpus in the next 3-5 years

[oblique tangle]

there were some leaks about the arc b980 rivaling the 4080

and costing significantly less

idk if they're gonna release it though

the rx 9070 xt also seems to be in the same boat

[burnt dragon]

arc d980 when?

[oblique tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/odablock-osrs-necksnap-oda-runescape-gif-23163670

[wild grove]

wait, what is this map?

why is there ominous purple lighting?

[radiant merlin]

dbz

[radiant merlin]

my game is so bugged rn the gamemode ui didn't even load

[small siren]

*my game is so bugged

rn the gamemode ui

didn't even load*

- ashewiki_tf

[burnt dragon]

the new tf2classic update is out

adding some new weapons a vip race gamemode

you should try if you want to taste some difference on tf2

[wild grove]

looks like it has the same issue as vanilla tf2 natively on my pc, even worse actually, the animated background flickers, and it has the freeze on listen server creation that vanilla tf2 has

[burnt dragon]

its the same base I mean

[wild grove]

My intel gpu HATES tf2!

[high current]

TF2 has historically loved Intel CPUs

[eternal haven]

gpu

but it works okay on those too

except maybe the new ones where they changed everything

[wild grove]

That's the odd thing, maybe it has to deal with multiple displays?

because I connect the laptop to the monitor.

and make it so the laptop screen is turned off.

[eternal haven]

Maybe if you change your primary display while tf2 is running it could fuck it up

But if you do that before opening tf2 it shouldn't

[wild grove]

yeah, this issue is so freaking wierd.

because joining servers doesn't freeze the game.

[eternal haven]

If it's one of the more recent intel gpus they basically rewrote the drivers entirely and they don't work well with old dx9 games

They fixed most of the issues though but IIRC they're still using some weird layer for dx9 support and it just hasn't received the testing that an actual dx9 driver would have over the years because no one in their right mind would prioritize dx9 anymore

You could always try dxvk it may fix issues with tf2 on recent intel gpus

[wild grove]

I am using intel hd 4400u, it shouldn't have any issues

[eternal haven]

Yeah it shouldn't, tf2 has been well tested on that

Maybe the april 2024 update would have introduced issues but I doubt it

[wild grove]

Well the issue's consequences is that it just bars me from testing items out. oh well.

[sterile ferry]

why do it look like dat

i dont even remember changing nun

whys it reflecting a hunk of silver

[radiant merlin]

missing cubemaps

[sterile ferry]

how do i fix that

verify files?

[radiant merlin]

probably

[eternal haven]

I've seen a bunch of frag videos where the graphics look shiny like that but never figured out how to do it

[radiant merlin]

mat_specular 0?

[eternal haven]

No I don't think so, I tried all combinations of specular/bumpmap/phong and rimlight on or off

None looked like that

The scattergun almost looks more silver/gray than black

[wild grove]

Valve shouldn't have made primary and secondary weapons use em. Back in the "v_" and "w_" model days, only melee weapons or weapons with glass had cubemaps.

[left sand]

i mean it makes sense for metal and plastic

and really anything but

the way its inplemented in source

eh

[wild grove]

Much better to lower phong exponent or phong exponent factor to make it more metallic ngl. Does make sense for plastic tho.

[summer steeple]

source would be better if valve simply looked into the future and implemented the standard of PBR we have today

smh

[wild grove]

Professional Bull riders?

[summer steeple]

physically based rendering

its what essentially all 3d rendering uses now

[oblique tangle]

you'd be relieved to know respawn source has PBR! so does strata source

[summer steeple]

yeah but those weren't made by valve in 2004

which is the issue

[wild grove]

Peanut Butter Raspberry

[radiant merlin]

tf2classic just added pbr btw

tho it's temporary, "likely"

[summer steeple]

tf2c isn't real

[oblique tangle]

what's tf2 classic

?

[summer steeple]

mandella effect

[radiant merlin]

see that shiny thing? it's pbr reflection

[oblique tangle]

it's a sequel to team fortress classic? that's called team fortress 2

[summer steeple]

the real answer is that its a fan mod that originally started as being a recreation of "early" tf2, and then spun off out of control in its own way when the devs decided that they wanted to make a video game and do their own thing

not to be confused with pre fortress 2, which is a fan mod that originally started as being a recreation of "early" tf2, and then spun off out of control in its own way when the devs decided that they wanted to make a video game and do their own thing

[paper sluice]

2007 vs 2006

[drowsy marlin]

Idk tf2 with PBR would probably look like generic slop if handled poorly

[paper sluice]

10000%

[summer steeple]

i think that sort of thinking goes for most things

[drowsy marlin]

Me too

The whole world is slop. I have a problem

[summer steeple]

like tf2 with HL2 rendering could've looked like generic slop if they handled it poorly

[potent wolf]

i think

tf2 would've been generic slop if they handled it poorly

[small siren]

*tf2 would've

been generic slop if they

handled it poorly*

- replay

[wild grove]

I think would generic slop handle poorly

[potent wolf]

i think poorly

[uncut spear]

i poorly

[wild grove]

i

[burnt dragon]

theres also some fixes in 2.2.1 that solves intel gpu problems, cant remember whp was having issues with that tho

[burnt dragon]

^?

"Made further speculative fixes for Intel GPU users having malformed shaders"

[wild grove]

No for some reason, TF2 straight up freezes when trying to create a listen server and TF2 Classic straight up freezes when you both try to create a listen server and try to join a server.

Like you can hear the game, but the game window is still on the loading screen.

For TF2 classic, for TF2 you can play for around 30 seconds before the game freezes.

[burnt dragon]

thats really odd

you use windows for both right?

[wild grove]

Mhm, Its weird cause literally everything else works, even worms revolution works at 1080p 30fps

[wild grove]

And it used to run on it.

[burnt dragon]

if hl2 deathmatch works shouldnt tf2 just also work?

maybe its a source wide issue

[wild grove]

Left 4 Dead 2 works as well

with mods too

So it definitely isn't source.

[burnt dragon]

thats odd, if you want you could report this problem in tf2 classic and devs there could find a general solution or at least fix issue for tf2c so you can somewhat play the game

[sterile ferry]

idk but before i verified my files and fixed it, disabling bumpmap actually had the silver stuff disappear

and i rmemeber having something similar on an australium ages ago but that was just fixed by enabling bumpmap somehow

[velvet raft]

you don't need the latest graphics cards

[oblique tangle]

chips are getting more expensive to produce too

also, tariffs

also, inflation

[radiant merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/what-does-this-mean-for-tf2-tf2-what-does-this-mean-team-fortress-2-team-fortress-gif-10286812706836883739

[wild grove]

It means, Enjoy or unenjoy community updates except valve has to baby the community because it couldn't handle itself back in 2015 and still can't til the end of valve or time.

[potent wolf]

Team Fortress 2 Megathread - The other one

[summer steeple]

my desperate wish is that every codebase on the planet is as funny as valve's are

[wild grove]

This thing sucks! Too bad!

[unborn pecan]

[eternal haven]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-noted-glorp-noted-glorp-noting-this-down-alien-cat-gif-11958671377507601335

[unborn pecan]

thank you

[burnt dragon]

I dont, but I like to upgrade time to time so I can actually play the games

amds ryzen7 7800 is like at least 2x the performance than my current cpu

then theres gpus which... has like 40% gain without ai bullshit?

[oblique tangle]

what is your cpu?

[burnt dragon]

11800h

[kind falcon]

wym by 2x

bruh

theyre like two years apart

in tf2 with 3d cache. Maybe. doubt tho

[burnt dragon]

yeah crazy how intel really ruining their modern cpus and amd is going wild

[burnt dragon]

I didnt mean only tf2, an 11800 can easily run tf2 anyway

[eternal haven]

This is like 2x the performance of the intel cpus from the year before it

[burnt dragon]

I am just thinking in price/performance rate

an 3070ti and 5070 difference isnt that huge even tho the price gap is huge