Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[rare creek]

we need that taiwanese 1.5 nm technology in our gaming rigs...

[sterile ferry]

will it make my 300 dollar hp laptop run faster

[rare creek]

well if you want a $300 laptop I wouldn't go with intel at all

probably would go with qualcomm

even tho their chips are kinda 💩 because they dont innovate anymore

[spring kestrel]

?

[spring kestrel]

That's what Linux is for!

[sterile ferry]

no

never

[spring kestrel]

No like legitimately

Linux is substantially more power efficient than windows is and it's really noticeable on lower spec machines

@sterile ferry if your computer isn't doing all that well I'd highly recommend at least trying something like Linux mint. If you end up liking it you have a decently faster means of using your computer. If you don't, it still works just fine

[sterile ferry]

no

[spring kestrel]

Why not?

Totally fair not to, it's just moderately discouraging to see people inherently resilient to new ideas

[rare creek]

because linux sucks

their wms are really slow too

you have to disable compositing on every x11 dwm to get any decent performance

[formal dew]

windows 12 will be the world's fastest os because the nt kernel will be 100% rust

[drowsy marlin]

I like linux because it does what I want a computer to do

play games, answer emails, organize my files

[potent wolf]

niterux have you ever used linux

[rare creek]

yes'

[potent wolf]

for how long

[rare creek]

a year

[formal dew]

linux is communism -steve ballmer

[rare creek]

mhm

[formal dew]

linux must be doing something right considering that most world infrastructure relies on it at this point because of phones and linux servers

[rare creek]

it's only because it sucks less than every other open source operating system

nobody is going to run a serious server on templeos or android

[potent wolf]

I wonder what kernel android runs on 🤔

[rare creek]

linux 2

because android sucks

[formal dew]

it's funny to me how windows has a global device market share of 10% because of phones

[rare creek]

they probably don't know linux 6 exists

[formal dew]

what

[rare creek]

android stuck using super old versions of the linux kernel because they suck

[potent wolf]

huh

[rare creek]

and android sucks beyond just that so nobody uses it as a server it's better to just use fedora or whatever the hel

[rare creek]

this is fake

[rare creek]

old af

[formal dew]

android's source code website says it uses linux kernel 6.6

[rare creek]

idk why termux says linux 2 for me then

might have been linux 4

either way android sucks

[formal dew]

linux is the os equivalent of atheism

[rare creek]

due to reasons that have nothing to do with linux or linux sucking

[summer steeple]

can't handle the truth

[potent wolf]

i mean if you're on an older phone then thats entirely possible

gotta love vendors not distributing updates for old devices

[small siren]

*gotta love vendors

not distributing updates

for old devices*

- replay

[potent wolf]

make sure to buy our new phone with barely any useful new features

[formal dew]

my phone is 3 years old and stopped support this year

[small siren]

*make sure to buy our

new phone with barely any

useful new features*

- replay

[formal dew]

sad

especially because the next one in the line is getting support for 5 years and not 3

[potent wolf]

at least some android phones allow you to install custom roms

[rare creek]

we need windows phone back

[formal dew]

someone i know ran into an issue with a rooted phone refusing to run a ticket app before a concert

unfortunate

proprietary software is the 14th worst invention in human history

[rare creek]

because android sucks and lets every app use their stupid anti-root api

[potent wolf]

oh yeah fuck antiroot stuff

[rare creek]

android is open source

[formal dew]

ticketmaster app aint

[potent wolf]

at least you can get root without exploits

[rare creek]

what you mean is fuck ticketmaster

[formal dew]

actually it was axs not that one

[rare creek]

on some android devices, aka, not my old phone, or any samsung phones for that matter

[potent wolf]

pretty sure you can get root on samsung phones

the old phone I had was a samsung phone

[rare creek]

they try their damn hardest to prevent it on newer ones

[potent wolf]

rip

[rare creek]

they have custom hardware specifically to stop people from rooting

[formal dew]

simply buy an iphone and jailbreak it

/s

[potent wolf]

are there even any working jailbreaks for modern iphones

[rare creek]

I think so

[potent wolf]

i'd assume that all of them would get patched

[formal dew]

tim apple

never had any apple products because my family aint loaded

[rare creek]

https://www.ultfone.com/ios-18/how-to-jailbreak-ios-18.html

I guess there's 5 different tools to do it

[cursive peak]

I've got a few iPods, a Touch, two iPod Videos, and a Shuffle.

Owned an Apple IIe way back when, too.

[formal dew]

wild to learn about how apple pcs were cool and modular in the 80s

[potent wolf]

I still have my old ipod classic

[cursive peak]

I mean, I was poor, so it was like the late '90s when my family got a used IIe from a friend.

[rare creek]

I guess you can root the latest samsung galaxy phones but there is definitely less methods https://xdaforums.com/t/how-to-root-s24-ultra-working.4652486/

samsung wants to be shitty apple so bad

[cursive peak]

Also learned to program on an Apple IIe.

[rare creek]

aweosme

[potent wolf]

iirc theres a file that configures what convars are in the advanced options, anyone know where it is?

nvm i think i found it (tf/[tf2_misc_dir]/cfg/user_default.scr)

[rare creek]

oh damn I thought it was just tf/cfg/user.scr ur telling me theres a default file??

[potent wolf]

oh hm

yeah theres a default, i think thats what gets loaded by the game

unless you have a custom one

[rare creek]

does user.scr actually update???

[potent wolf]

I don't even have a user.scr

the scr just describes the options in the advanced options menu

i think

[rare creek]

here it is!

[potent wolf]

hm

I can add new options to user.scr, but they only show up in the gameui (non-tf2) advanced options menu

guess I can just add options to user_default

[next nymph]

pretty sure the other menu is just another .scr file

[potent wolf]

they both use the same file

but have slightly different behaviour for whatever reason

yay

it even seems to have support for setinfo. very convenient for me

    if ( strcmp( token, "}" ) )
    {
        Msg( "Expecting '{', got '%s'", token );
        return false;
    }

copy-paste detected

[potent wolf]

grrrr it only sets the value if you open the menu

[next nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

autoexec

[potent wolf]

thats not what I wanted though :(

i was hoping it would save stuff from the menu

[next nymph]

echo logging to write to a txt file that you execute as if it were a cfg?

[high current]

In fairness, most the worlds Linux servers also don’t have screens probably. So by that logic no screen is better for a computer than screens.

I think Linux has its merits. But for the every day computer for a majority of people who will never google how to do anything before asking their son in law, Windows is king.

[spring kestrel]

Google fvwm3

[rare creek]

hopw

[potent wolf]

    "test"
    {
        "AAAA"
        "balls"
        { NUMBER 0 100 }
        { "1" }
        SetInfo
    }

[rare creek]

how is setinfo useful at all

[potent wolf]

passing custom info to servers

[high current]

Aaaa balls

[rare creek]

why

[potent wolf]

top secret reasons

[rare creek]

why

[next nymph]

so servers are aware of the custom info

[rare creek]

why

[potent wolf]

so servers can use the custom info

[high current]

I swear if a vscript map edits my custom hud stuff again, someone is getting testicular torsion

[next nymph]

i hope its not me

[summer steeple]

doesn't help that the only way to do hud stuff via maps is to edit the PD hud

[potent wolf]

clientside vscript with huds and prediction when

[high current]

Tf devs listen to the mapper community (sarcasm). Just ask for actual vgui tools for maps. Like a workshop/ui filepath.

[tough locust]

just has to be usable and hacky enough for people to keep developing around it which is why eric isn't up to anything

[rare creek]

please remove vscript from the game there's only like 2 good vscript maps ever and the rest are dogwater 🙏

[tough locust]

not very nice 😢

[formal dew]

vscript could theoretically increase game viability levels by several fiscal quarters

[rare creek]

what

[tough locust]

this was the 15 minute discussion that got eric and the contractor to put it in

[formal dew]

eric smith has sacrified 20 million dollars worth of bonuses by working on tf2 and not deadlock or dota 2 🫡

[rare creek]

there is like selborn and that one asia themed map with the steaming water and those are the 2 good vscript maps ever

[formal dew]

vscript is limited for security reasons and the demand for high quality vscript maps is low

[tough locust]

that weird hybrid steel styled japanese map is too confusing the last point is impossible to cap anyway they should just make it have the same logic as steel

[rare creek]

oh ig embargo exists and that';s pretty good

[tough locust]

selbyen isnt even vscript iirc

[kind falcon]

why did this go popular now

[slender nexus]

among us poop

[rare creek]

I disagree

[summer steeple]

i think embargo is the only map you listed that uses vscript

and embargo barely even uses it lmao

but overall even if you don't like the custom gamemodes vscript is so helpful just for basic map scripting stuff

map logic sucks ass

actually being able to code stuff can be so much easier, instead of having to hack stuff together

ok cp_sulfur does use vscript but only barely

calling it a "vscript map" is just like...

a weird thing to say lol

most of the vscript stuff is bug fixes for source jank

like stickies and moving objects

also just calling something a vscript map in general feels weird to me

its like saying "oh this is a prop map, because it uses a bunch of props"

its just a tool

[uncut spear]

it's a cool name honestly

[high current]

We should call them .nut maps instead. Because they contain .nut files

[burnt dragon]

.nut extension makes sense on several levels that would get me banned if I explain why

[high current]

Probably a good thing then

[slender nexus]

Deez nuts

[rare creek]

so does vscript half the time it's impossible to code in because the shitty website its docs are on is down

what the fuck is squirrel lang why couldnt valve just be normal and use lua or js...

[high current]

I don’t know when vscript was made, but it’s possible it’s old enough that squirrel was a contender to replace lua. Though apparently lua has since fixed every problem with itself that squirrel sought to fix, plus lua is faster and apparently just more intuitive.
Though I feel like comparing lua to squirrel is the only time I’ve heard good things about lua.

I will say: if I were a Valve developer, I’d choose squirrel because .nut is funny

Which knowing how Valve operates, there’s a non-zero percent chance that’s unironically why they chose squirrel.

[rare creek]

language that uses the extension .cum when

[high current]

.cum is too on the nose though.
.nut is the right balance of funny because there’s a perfectly legitimate reason for it to use that extension. But also nut

[rare creek]

https://steamdb.info/app/440/history/?changeid=U:54306185

[potent wolf]

it did?

[potent wolf]

context

[rare creek]

@summer willow about your comment "Windows sucks" yesterday, I recognize that Windows' processor scheduling is pretty subpar especially in recent times.

[summer steeple]

it’s actually pretty consistently up now i believe

as for why they chose squirrel over lua, i’m not sure will ever know why valve picked it in the first place for their games, maybe they thought it’d be easier for their programmers since it’s more like C, but iirc they switched to lua for csgo. tf2 only uses squirrel since it was ported directly from l4d iirc

[radiant merlin]

no fucking way

[wild maple]

Fixed BLU Scout using the incorrect team color pants

wtf

[rare creek]

OMG I WAS LITERALLY THINKING ABOUT THIS THIS MORNING

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TF2 IS SAVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wild maple]

I don't like the blu pants!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rare creek]

why

[wild maple]

I don't know

[rare creek]

@left sand tf2 is fixed forever

[wild maple]

now i need a mod to get the red pants

[left sand]

FUCK

tf2 is dying

[spare obsidian]

more like lamecoms

[crisp cedar]

LETS GO

BLUE PANTS

[left sand]

i actually cant believe they did this

[radiant merlin]

next valve move is to patch casual bypass so no one can use scout red pants mods

[left sand]

ruined

[crisp cedar]

its soul now

im reinstalling tf2

[left sand]

soulless

[rare creek]

ABSOLUTE CINEMA

[left sand]

the updates are just fan service now

[crisp cedar]

i mean when all the content is community made it can only be fan service now

[formal dew]

what if Eric was super against blue pants and this means he's leaving

[small siren]

*what if Eric was

super against blue pants and

this means he's leaving*

- borealis64

[next nymph]

i want fan disservice

[spare obsidian]

mcoms is malding now

[radiant merlin]

uhh valve?

[rare creek]

cosmetic skill issue

[potent wolf]

was it worth it

[rare creek]

YES!!!!!!!!!!

[potent wolf]

ngl it looks too shiny

[wild maple]

why does it look so shiny

it's like pyro latex

[radiant merlin]

this needs a blog post fr

[potent wolf]

what exactly was the point of changing it

we're going to change something to make it look worse and break a bunch of cosmetics in the process because...

[rare creek]

BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO FIX THE PANTS AND MAKE THE WORKSHOP CREATORS PAY FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!

[left sand]

whats the point of ao3 or furaffinity

same answer

[rare creek]

what

[crisp cedar]

hahahh

[left sand]

tf2 is just fan fiction at this point

[crisp cedar]

is comfig 10 cancelled

[spare obsidian]

mcoms gotta find a real job now

/j

[left sand]

hmmm

🤔

u right

[rare creek]

mastercoms already has a real job do you think tf2 pays the bills

[crisp cedar]

tradeit.gg

[radiant merlin]

Revert

[left sand]

i cant believe people would think that the tf2 character class designs, which obviously had 12384184128241284 amount of effort, intent and style put into them, would have a design flaw like that

like just as basic logic

thats like

already so clear

[rare creek]

yeah the basic logic is literally every other class other than the scout had blue color on their pants

so scout should too

[left sand]

yeah thats stupid

[rare creek]

it makes literally no sense for the blue scout to use the red scout pants color

[left sand]

that shows a lack of understanding of design

[summer steeple]

next they should change his shoes, they have more red than blue in it

[left sand]

its just consistency for the sake of consistency

[summer steeple]

so clearly its not team colored

[left sand]

which is antithetical to art

[potent wolf]

consistency (makes a bunch of cosmetics inconsistent)

[left sand]

and that isnt even the primary reason

[summer steeple]

they should change his skin color too, too much red

[left sand]

scout has different colored pants because his legs are unique from all the other mercs

he has crazy legs

the fast moving legs arent meant to draw your attention

[spare obsidian]

is just a game ain't that depth

[left sand]

theyre meant to be an additive detail to the character

[rare creek]

that's only because valve is stupid at programming

[left sand]

the geometry of the legs are the important part

not the color

you shouldnt read the color information from the legs

providing a contrast between pants and shirt

leads the eyes to where the stable information of the image is

[small siren]

*leads the eyes to where

the stable information

of the image is*

- mcoms

[left sand]

his torso remains largely stable in any animation

[wild maple]

I remember playing with blue pants mod and I couldn't see scout anymore

[left sand]

while his legs are very sporadic

[wild maple]

but i might have a problem

[left sand]

no thats literally it

[wild maple]

like i couldnt focus on them anymore

[left sand]

yes exactly

thats precisely why he doesnt have blue pants

i am so upset

i hope they revert it simply from the cosmetic regressions

its likely they will

but the very intentional decision they made

was to draw focus to the top part of scout

which has less animation noise and frequency

[summer steeple]

i guess this is what happens when the reasoning for why something happened is lost, either due to the person who did it not being there anymore or just not remembering

[left sand]

scout has so much sudden direction changes in movement that is telegraphed through his legs

like double jumping

and just his fast speed in general

[rare creek]

tf2 is literally saved forever and you're upset

[left sand]

there cant be color information in there

[wild maple]

the fix

[summer steeple]

wdym they didn't remove vscript

[stuck locust]

D:

[rare creek]

it's over

[left sand]

no this is just misinformation brought upon by the leak which caused people to find the layer file which shows scout's team colored pants

which they very intentionally turned off

[crisp cedar]

ew that looks terrible

[rare creek]

thje blue scout pants are literally in the ps3 version

[crisp cedar]

just bring back the orange pants at that point

brown sorry

[wild maple]

(this is just a random mod on gamebanana btw)

[left sand]

yes which was a port by EA, not valve

[summer steeple]

isn't the ps3 like

not made by valve

yeah

[rare creek]

probably because ea is better

[summer steeple]

its literally like tf2 1.0 by EA

[radiant merlin]

they should add blue pants but brighter, easy fix

[potent wolf]

the only TF2 by EA is Titanfall 2

[next nymph]

could they make it a little green instead? I think thats the best of both worlds

[rare creek]

make all players fullbright and solid colored

[left sand]

they should keep it the way its been for 40 years

[crisp cedar]

blue pants cvar

[left sand]

ah yes

lets give user options

[summer steeple]

lmao that'd be funny

[left sand]

to a very intetionally designed experience

[left sand]

thats the best thing anyone can do

just make 0 decisions about design

[rare creek]

the fix is pretty simple really

[next nymph]

problem: the background looks a little too red for a blu scout

[spare obsidian]

🛌

[rare creek]

WTF is ihr and eze???

[left sand]

lhr

thats london

also to be clear

[spare obsidian]

BRITISH?!?!??!?!'

[left sand]

i dont really mind the pants that much

im just exaggerating

[potent wolf]

NOOOOOOO YOU MUST BE ANGRY

[left sand]

in case anyone is gonna quote me

[potent wolf]

GET YOUR PITCHFORKS

RAAAAAAH

[left sand]

because like some people do that

for some awful reason

[radiant merlin]

mmm after using the refined mercs mod (blue pants), it's not really noticeable

[heavy solar]

@radiant merlin has leveled up! (24 ➜ 25)

[radiant merlin]

thankfully rimlighting helps with readability

[next nymph]

you dont need to downplay it

[spare obsidian]

i think they should fix the rim ligth clamping issue lol

[left sand]

well i do or else i get death threats

[next nymph]

scout's blue pants is a fashion death threat

[rare creek]

is this a real email

[spare obsidian]

LOOL

[left sand]

why would it be from 2 days ago

[rare creek]

bee's still there

[left sand]

what recent update 2 days ago

[rare creek]

dev branch

[potent wolf]

what

[spare obsidian]

what

[next nymph]

The life span of a honey bee depends on various factors. Worker honey bees have a life span of only six weeks during honey production seasons, when they are extremely active foraging for food, storing nectar, feeding larvae and producing honey.

Buckle up

[rare creek]

peak update

actually peak

[radiant merlin]

"eze" is buenos aires

lhr is "londres-heathrow"

weird way to name servers

[spare obsidian]

are you from argentina?, can you tell me if the new server there is way better than the brazilian ones?

[radiant merlin]

nope

[rare creek]

they live at -63.312323346E 26.32452353N

[potent wolf]

iata airport codes

[radiant merlin]

i know but

weird

it's like using iso codes for money

[radiant merlin]

let's see, i have NaN ping to argentina

[proper tangle]

The fix is simple, remove all the cosmetics from the game

straight up shift delete that

[spare obsidian]

kinda offtopic but i didnt kojima visited valve hq today lol

[rare creek]

HIDEO GAME KOJIMA FIXED SCOUT????????????

[spare obsidian]

brah

[summer steeple]

does anyone know why this happens? it’s been happening to me for years lmao

i started noticing it after they added SDR support

[jagged pawn]

oh my god they didn't even try

what is the critter btw

[spare obsidian]

juan

[radiant merlin]

the scottish's resistance is broken again lol

[summer steeple]

how did they even manage that

the model hasn't changed

[next nymph]

how did anyone ever discover something was wrong, don't you have to use the weapon to see the error

[radiant merlin]

100 players, odyssey, at least one player is going to use the scottish

[next nymph]

unlikely story

[spare obsidian]

demo and the big fricking ERROR.mdl

[radiant merlin]

imagine if tf2 used csgo's error model

[rare creek]

csgo had its own error model?

[rare creek]

1920x1080

what a stupid fucking model lmao

[spare obsidian]

why did they made the error model in csgo fricking big lol

[radiant merlin]

it makes it easier to identify errors i guess

[spare obsidian]

uh no lol

[rare creek]

it's already easy 😭

[radiant merlin]

for mappers

[rare creek]

it's already easy for mappers 😭

[radiant merlin]

yeah anyways

[summer willow]

in the new update you mean? here its fine

[radiant merlin]

it seems that the problem is with Odyssey, not the gun

[summer willow]

what is odyssey

[potent wolf]

a map

[summer willow]

makes sense

but how can a map bug a weapon model?

[spare obsidian]

packed bsp can cause such issues iirc

[summer steeple]

it doesn't even have any weapon models

just custom props

[potent wolf]

so then what's the issue

[summer steeple]

good question

[potent wolf]

also i wonder how many files are duplicated between map paks

[summer steeple]

a lot

[spare obsidian]

i mean this could theorically be fixed but idk if is really worth trying

[grim parcel]

https://fixupx.com/heavyfortres/status/1849564536795242979

[spare obsidian]

scout doesn't exist

[summer willow]

tf2 is so back

[next nymph]

where are the blu scout pants restored mods

[summer willow]

but its so weird now

[raw escarp]

they actually had the contractor go and switch the layer's visibility after 17 years

[floral sandal]

there was a workshop submission that fixed scout's pants across all cosmetics. I have no idea why they didn't accept that instead

[rare creek]

probably because the cosmetic creators would take offense for no reason or smth

[floral sandal]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2881498552

[formal dew]

a workshop item that affects other peoples workshop subs that people pay for doesn't make sense

[floral sandal]

uploaded with the intent of being added

[summer steeple]

its a legal thing

[rare creek]

??

[summer steeple]

content added to the game from the community is licensed, not purchased

meaning the original creator still owns it

valve can't just do whatever they want with it

[rare creek]

that wouldn't make any sense, why would valve then require maps be compiled by themselves?

[summer steeple]

idk i've never seen the contract

[rare creek]

how can you even claim ownership over something that you created for use in someone else's game

[summer steeple]

but generally, valve touches community content as little as they can

[formal dew]

virtual economy and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[floral sandal]

why say it's a legal issue if you haven't seen the contract lol

[summer steeple]

because valve doesn't own the content

[formal dew]

they refuse to fix war paints that have random orientations when the submission has it locked because they dont want to change copies that already exist

[rare creek]

except when they edited the tiny desk engineer cosmetic to remove a flag they didn't like

[formal dew]

modernity is arbitrary return to monke

[rare creek]

because the only worse developers than valve are yandex devs

[summer steeple]

hey look here's you posting the tweet of the creator saying that valve ASKED them to remove it

[high current]

Surely if Valve makes people sign a contract to implement people’s intellectual property into their own property, they also include turning over the rights to item.

[summer steeple]

they did not edit it themselves

[misty plover]

Did you know the floor snapping logic is broken on this rock specifically

[spare obsidian]

that is a prop sir

[rare creek]

that is a rock not a floor

[high current]

I feel like I’d need more evidence to conclude Valve doesn’t absorb the rights to the IP.
What if the creator added a swastika instead? Valve wouldn’t just be like “guess our hands are tied”

[misty plover]

Yeah

I think its funny though

Literally unplayable

[summer steeple]

valve apparently does have control to edit workshop entries (as listed in the steam subscriber agreement)

however they generally don't

for a number of reasons

[spare obsidian]

may ask how this debacle started

[summer steeple]

A. its scummy
B. they often don't have the original files (this is why asset fixes on the workshop are a terrible idea, valve isn't going to take your assets made from the game files they're going to want to change their internal version for stuff that they've made, and for community stuff its another layer of bullshit)
C. they'd probably need to make sure that the original creator knows about the change and has access to the new files if they do change it
D. its scummy

war paints are a weird known exception to how hands off valve is

for some ungodly reason valve loves putting their fingers all over war paints, much to their creators annoyance

[misty plover]

Money

[summer steeple]

as for this, at least for maps we know definitively based on what mappers have said that after MyM valve stopped purchasing the rights to maps outright, iirc in CSGO they never really did except for permanent mainstay maps like cache and later anubis

[next nymph]

"valve has to include any changes that the original creators do after it's already been added" is different from "valve can't make changes themselves, that's the right of the original creators." Not familiar with the exact agreement, but one doesn't necessarily imply the other

[summer steeple]

this is also why legally its absolutely ok to do say, edits of sunshine (although the creators probably would prefer you ask them first even though valve owns the map now), and not pheonix

[next nymph]

same as I don't own the rights to edit <x software package> but I'm not obligated to update it whenever the creators do, unless its terms make that explicit in some way (or maybe they legally can't, I'm not sure)

[summer steeple]

and why some maps have their assets in tf2's files, and others have it in the map itself

[misty plover]

Valve should simply remove scouts pants

[summer steeple]

nude scout mod

penis flopping around

[next nymph]

nah femscout wears a skirt

[summer steeple]

crazy dick scout they call him

[cursive peak]

Shoutout to the Thor bat mod.

[misty plover]

How broken even are the cosmetics at the change

Are they just using the old texture or some bastard zfighting hell or?

[summer steeple]

probably the former

[next nymph]

id hope cosmetics aren't z-fighting and only hidden by the model/texture being unnecessarily duplicated

[summer steeple]

the cosmetics themselves probably have the scouts pants texture baked into it, so its the same thing of red and blue textures have the red scout pants

[misty plover]

Oh apparently the crazy legs are in a hybrid state

[left sand]

keep in mind some stuff isnt workshop, the workshop license has changed over time and doesn't update in the same way as SSA end users

[summer steeple]

yeah thats all i could find

I could also find the revenue sharing terms for the workshop but thats it

[left sand]

yeah they should turn on the layers for all the fucking psds to "fix" the game some more

just redesign every class

[rare creek]

such drama for such an obvious texture bug

like the new blue pants are darker than the old brown pants if anything they draw less attention now >.>

[potent wolf]

then why dont they change it for the red scout too 🤔

[spare obsidian]

beware you would get the wrath of the whole community

[potent wolf]

they should do this it would be really funny

[rare creek]

• all da evidence pointing to eric being the one to make the change and not contractor person

[spare obsidian]

please try to be funny in a legit way

[rare creek]

it's so hard for me to justify in my mind any reason it would be brown instead of blue on blue team

[spare obsidian]

tbh, this is a nothing burger

[rare creek]

I have no problems tracking the new scout texture with my eyes

[spare obsidian]

we should just return to our normal yapping

like its not like a big ass update

like, how does this impact us 😭

im still waiting for more parts of the .pop file to be exposed to vscript

[small siren]

*im still waiting for

more parts of the .pop file to

be exposed to vscript*

- Brodspy

[spare obsidian]

since ever since that was added, i wanted to recreated raid gamemode

[jagged pawn]

btw are there any huds that don't break tug of war yet

[small siren]

*btw

are there any huds that don't

break tug of war yet*

- Grapevime

[rare creek]

I dont think any huds break it

[potent wolf]

tf2 players have literally nothing else to talk about

[small siren]

*tf2 players

have literally nothing

else to talk about*

- replay

[formal dew]

perfect game

[potent wolf]

unless you count bug tracker ""drama""

[spare obsidian]

you mean that random ass guy that spams dislike on every single issue?

[wild grove]

lol

really?

bro just wants to be a hater

[spare obsidian]

i mean, his github username was CryToDaddyKisakSomeMore

[formal dew]

christ

[spare obsidian]

not to blame but, this guy popped after the certain youtuber send their guys to the github issues repo (not their fault btw)

[rare creek]

tf you mean "not their fault btw"

[spare obsidian]

because the dude already apologize

[rare creek]

still 100% their fault

not like they were mind controlled into doing that

[spare obsidian]

that dude also had an account before name "ImAllowedToDoThis" lol

[kind falcon]

the only people that cared about these programs (n that im familiar with) at all posted these recently over at [...]

[kind falcon]

spoiler for valorant going to steam

[tough locust]

it's weird that scouts pants got changed now bc all the sfms and comics have him with gray pants, how long until a gray pants mod on gamebanana

[left sand]

apparently the bug report was made by someone younger than the pants, and was included alongside other bug reports

[tough locust]

funny that they fixed it tho I fw them going back and fixing stuff that's been messed up since 2007 like func_rotating

[radiant merlin]

they fix models surfaceprops but they still don't fix $surfaceprop not working in clip brushes

[tough locust]

you see that would require programming

[spare obsidian]

let me guess, csgo backport

[wild grove]

unless you are a programmer yourself, test out that fix rigorously, and email the steps to replicating said fix, it aint getting in.

[radiant merlin]

i tried to find what was causing it but it was too much for me

[spare obsidian]

iirc its a bug that exist ever since day one release of hl2

was not until l4d1-2 fixed it

[radiant merlin]

so they just have to find that dev that fixed it and put them into a mind reading machine cuz there's no way they will be able to remember how they did it

[spare obsidian]

...or you can just ask ficool/jhosh and tell that

[high current]

Why's the listenserver.cfg in mastercomfig contain mp_tournament 0?
Also just generally what's the reasoning behind most of the inclusions?

mp_tournament 0
mp_idledealmethod 0
mp_maxrounds 0
mp_winlimit 0
tf_mvm_min_players_to_start 1
exec overrides/listenserver.cfg

The mp_idledealmethod, tf_mvm_min_players_to_start, and exec I can understand. But the rest are either default or changed intentionally, I would think?

[left sand]

theyre set in casual

so its nice to revert them so you dont get kicked from your own server after joining casual

and its not tournament mode

[high current]

Oh didn't realize casual did that

Yeh that's why the idle method one I figured was included

[summer steeple]

I was curious, so i'm looking at the comics now to see how they portray blue scout

in a smissmas story, inconsistent

in a fate worse than chess, it looks more like the blue pants

[floral sandal]

and his headset is colored different

[summer steeple]

yeah i mean in general the comics aren't the best source

but i was curious to see what colors they decided to use

[floral sandal]

small inconsistencies in comic portrayal are totally excusable imo.

I actually like it. gives more clothing options and gives the impression the mercs swap gear

[summer steeple]

those are the only 2 instances of blue scout in the comics

always in poor lighting

in a fate worse than chess the colors in general are extremely saturated

for all the mercs

oh hey a different angle from a smissmas story with the grey-ish blue pants

more things, the first one has like action lighting so i assume thats why it looks like that

but yeah, valve in general has always played a bit fast and loose with stuff outside of the game

and things changes sometimes

like how the mvm robots probably should be all gray and the mercs a mix of red and blue like in the update trailer but for gameplay purposes thats too confusing

but i do think the fact that in the 2 instances of blue scout in the comics not having explicitly the red pants is interesting

[half rose]

new servers!

[half rose]

Unannounced update. Added South Korea Casual Server

[tough locust]

that's cool seems like it just depends on whatever the artist assumes the colors should be it's not like they're looking at references every time they draw the characters, like when one of the comic panels had demoman with 2 eyes

[summer steeple]

ye

[rare creek]

Got regular vsync running on tf2 with only 2ms of render latency, it feels like there's no vsync at all except there's no screen tearing

this is actually great

don't know how

[rare creek]

How do I run Team Fortress 2 in a way where I can see these warnings?

can I get them to appear in the console or smth?

just anything that uses the Warning function

nevermind 🥰

[midnight pewter]

they added UK one too

do people think the blu scout pants will be reverted

I personally like blu pants scout

but I can see it being controversial

and also they'd have to update all the other cosmetics

so if eric didn't really think about how much it'd affect things I can see it being reverted

[proper tangle]

or maybe

they just delete all the cosmetics from the game

[midnight pewter]

alternatively eric can just use one of the community fixes

[proper tangle]

its another possible solution

[summer steeple]

they’re not going to do that

for valve cosmetics, they’d prefer to do the changes themselves since they have the original files

for community ones, they prefer not to touch them if they dont have to, and would rather the original creator change things

[proper tangle]

I know I know

A man can dream

[tough locust]

did u figure it out

[rare creek]

ye

s

[tough locust]

that means that eric would have to use photoshop for some of the cosmetics tho and for a lot of them it's more than just pasting a blue pants layer on top of it

[tough locust]

how

[rare creek]

develoepr

[rare creek]

why am i being trolled

[potent wolf]

use the setinfo command to set it

nvm

[rare creek]

replay...

[potent wolf]

ah i see

its devonly

[rare creek]

but it's clearly there

[potent wolf]

yes but you cant set it without plugins

[rare creek]

why

[potent wolf]

because thats how devonly cvars work

[rare creek]

does valve hate us?

[spare obsidian]

bruh

[potent wolf]

you can also use vscript to set them but you have to add them to the whitelist

@rare creek

[rare creek]

I saw your message

[rare creek]

why is the webm videos in the linux and windows depots instead of the shared client depot

[left sand]

pants revert????

[rare creek]

THEY REVERTED PANTS

IM KILLING MYSELF

[crisp cedar]

coms won

[potent wolf]

nice

[rare creek]

uninstallign this game from my pc

[crisp cedar]

to be fair im ok with this

there is just too much cosmetic compatability work to do

[potent wolf]

Reverted BLU Scout pants fix because it conflicts with too many existing cosmetics

[rare creek]

im going to fucking kill eric

where is their address

starting a change.org petition

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-gif-21550111

live nitrerux reaction

[summer willow]

bro

why

[next nymph]

IP address 127.0.0.1 dont ddos it

[wild maple]

Reverted BLU Scout pants fix because it conflicts with too many existing cosmetics

TF2 is saved

[grim parcel]

mcoms was always right chucklenuts

[grim parcel]

they’re compiled for windows and linux

[rare creek]

how tf can a video be compiled for a specific os

[potent wolf]

videos built with msvc 🙀

[midnight pewter]

eric is a COWARD

[rare creek]

genuinely upset over this revert

[grim parcel]

same way a binary can

[potent wolf]

lmao

[grim parcel]

you get platform specific optimizations

[potent wolf]

getchoo....

[grim parcel]

replay

[potent wolf]

....

[grim parcel]

….

[high current]

I forgot to notice last night to look at scout’s pants.
I don’t think it matters

They should make scouts pants slowly color shift corresponding to time of day.
That way people never know whether it’s blue or red and everyone gaslights everyone into thinking something different.

[spare obsidian]

yeah this is basically a nothing burger lol

i neither notice it

[grim parcel]

they should make blu scout’s pants blue and red scout’s pants red for consistency

[small siren]

*they should make blu scout’s

pants blue and red scout’s pants red

for consistency*

- g3tchoo

[potent wolf]

make them both purple as a compromise

[high current]

Make scout lose his pants. Ez

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-pants-gif-8063883

[tough locust]

actual question why do they keep buffing the zombies in zombie infection

tragic but 100 percent expected that they switched scout's pants back eric was NOT about to edit all those textures on his own

[proper tangle]

how many textures could that be

3, 4? /s

[rare creek]

probably

[velvet raft]

ashe, no entiendo que pasa con los pantalones de Scout, me puedes explicar que hicieron?

[left sand]

its not a bug

guys engineer has brown pouch we gotta fix it

sniper has brown clothes we gotta fix it

omg razorback is RED on blu team

[rare creek]

🙄

[formal dew]

heavy has grey stubble

[left sand]

guys please fix brown gloves and vest on heavy

guys the demo has different colored pants from all the other mercs we have to fix it for consistency

guys the boots arent team colored!!! we have to eliminate the value gradient from top to bottom on all the classes and make their shoes blue

omg RED FIRE AXE??? on BLU PYRO????

[tough locust]

mcoms crashout

[left sand]

GUYS the scout backpack is not team colored 🙀 🙀 🙀 🙀 🙀

what will we do

FUCK

[tough locust]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-plankton-alright-i-get-it-i-get-it-enough-gif-19558825

[grim parcel]

i always agreed with you mcoms

[rare creek]

im leaving

[potent wolf]

LMAO

[formal dew]

lmfao

[potent wolf]

the pants were just too much for him

[grim parcel]

no way

[left sand]

GUYS its worse than i THOUGHT

SCOUT IS JUST

oh my GOD

its all BROWN

WHAT???

[formal dew]

he's gonna brown

[potent wolf]

oh my god theres yellow

YELLOW

[jagged pawn]

because people are really bad at the game lol

I still think the original launch ZI was better than any of the changes they've made since

[jagged pawn]

ALL IT TOOK WAS PANTS DISCOURSE

[tough locust]

agree 100000000 percent, back in april 2023 it was balanced perfectly

except for sanitaruim's roof was OP as fuck back then

[jagged pawn]

lmao

[tough locust]

i miss niterux already :'(

[unborn pecan]

@calm mica

[orchid sorrel]

They should make the axe gray and maybe put some blood and barbed wire on it

[small siren]

*They should make the axe

gray and maybe put some blood

and barbed wire on it*

- drcactus

[summer steeple]

i hope they re-revert the pants change and then niterux will come back

[potent wolf]

why do the blu classes have red blood 🤔

[orchid sorrel]

Blue classes now leak pus when they get hit

[left sand]

do any of these consistency people realize how awful the classes would look if they were just team colored blobs

[wild grove]

Glad they reverted it so fast.

There was a shit ton of cosmetics it would've affected, like more than 10.

And a lot of creators (especially those before cases) are no longer on the workshop making stuff or active in tf2 anymore.

This change was too little too late.

[left sand]

if they did it in the first year maybe

sure

[wild grove]

for sure.

We might see a demo AO fix for his grenades so the shadows aren't baked anymore in a future update

(and it will affect cosmetics in positive way)

[left sand]

idk

i dont see why theyd do that

[wild grove]

because it affects cosmetics negatively as is, its really noticable on the dead of night for example.

[wild grove]

Its not gonna be from valve, rather someone else, not saying who tho to be respectful.

[left sand]

yeah but why would they make the stock look worse

[crisp cedar]

we having strong feelings about the shade of pants tonight

[potent wolf]

Team Fortress 2 Megathread - pants discourse

[drowsy marlin]

Give me back blue pants

[jagged pawn]

bring back invasion, make the blue team aliens with blue blood

[drowsy marlin]

All these arguments of making other stuff blue is irrelevant. Just give me back the blue pants damnit

Something something slippery slope fallacy

[potent wolf]

something something it was a dumb change to make after all this time

[drowsy marlin]

How about making the blue pants into a cosmetic itself

Problem solved

[potent wolf]

only if red scouts can wear it

and only red scouts

[drowsy marlin]

Stop that talk

[jade scroll]

can't make a #1019788401588830249 post right now, is anyone else having an issue with explosion particles replaced with this? i think its mastercomfig and me changing the particle through that, and the recent update broke it

[drowsy marlin]

check what the console says for clues

[glass pollen]

@totallynotniteruxiswear Just use TF2 Ultimate Visual Fix Pack and don't care about the "official" pants color. Be glad that TF2 is so easily moddable.

[slender nexus]

And start the Talk Tuah

[radiant merlin]

Solo le cambiaron los colores al pantalon del scout a azul, como era en la beta

Y ahora lo revirtieron xd

La verdad creo que azul se ve xvr pero quizas algo mas marron deberia ser, un intermedio

Oh btw they didnt fix the belt loops still being blue

[spare obsidian]

tbh i dont really care about it xd

like, does it matter?

the game is still fine

[next nymph]

yeah

[spare obsidian]

no, please return to your cave

[next nymph]

dont hate on me, im just saying what we're all thinking

[spare obsidian]

sorry, im full on hate

[wild grove]

Cant really say if you're wrong or not cause showing you would reveal who made the fix.

[velvet raft]

you've already said this like 5 times

[velvet raft]

do you have a pic of how it looked before?

[spare obsidian]

yes

[left sand]

i mean would it be CSM

[radiant merlin]

red pants/ blue pants

it was red pants before, then changed to blue, and it's now red again

[eternal haven]

The gray looks so much better

Idk how they even signed off on changing it to blue

[jagged pawn]

I mean no one signed off on it, someone fell for an email that called it a bug

my guess is that someone thought this was a RECENT bug and thus was messing with cosmetics, ie the exact opposite of reality

[floral sandal]

https://cbsky.app/profile/tholps.site/post/3l7exyu6pjt2v

[jagged pawn]

lol

[summer steeple]

iirc i saw someone say that they emailed eric saying that it was fixed in the ps3 version (which is true, but the ps3 version was handled by EA, not valve)

so like

in a 1.0 version of the game not handled by valve, scout has blue pants

but we are now 14 years later and have many cosmetics that rely on the pants

there is 0 reason to change this sort of thing

especially because its extremely unclear if it is unintentional or not

[jagged pawn]

lmao

[summer steeple]

and i'd argue it is intentional

[jagged pawn]

valve fix the belt loops NOW!!!!

[velvet raft]

did some cosmetics changed because of it?

[summer steeple]

no

they reverted the blue pants because too many cosmetics got "broken" because of it

[tough locust]

interesting

[summer steeple]

^

[velvet raft]

what?

ohh, the gray pants

i got confused for a moment thinking they undid the change

[summer steeple]

they did

they're brown again

[unborn pecan]

scout shat his pants

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-getoutofmyhead-cat-gif-24215722

[wild grove]

yeah people think VALVe can change stuff on a whim but no, they are strangely respectful about keeping cosmetics intact unless the creator says otherwise.

despite what the workshop agreement says.

[jagged pawn]

watching every redditor become an armchair lawyer overnight has been maddening

stop quoting the workshop agreement at me and actually look at how the company operates

[uncut spear]

genuinely brain tickling to do casual compatible stuff

[small siren]

*genuinely brain

tickling to do casual

compatible stuff*

- aless109

[uncut spear]

like woah,,, I can use mods in casual???

plus I just set up the sound utility thing

https://gamebanana.com/sounds/73019

the critsound from this cannot wait to be used

[sterile ferry]

is there any actual difference between particles=low and particles=medium?

the list of commands for them looks identical

[high current]

Particles=low has more aggressive particle batching doesn’t it? Or is that very_low?

[formal dew]

https://twitter.com/EverikReal/status/1849562499290485010?t=kAA6N2izKpLx622vckW2fg&s=19

ᴇᴠᴇʀɪᴋ (@EverikReal) on X

Alternate reality where instead of fixing BLU Scout's pants they did this

Twitter · Oct 24, 2024, 9:23 PM

[soft sundial]

Pretty sure the blu sniper's hwm model in sfm has grey pants

[stuck locust]

strangely, they do seem to have identical commands https://github.com/mastercomfig/mastercomfig/blob/release/config/mastercomfig/cfg/comfig/comfig.cfg#L425

doesn't seem as though there's a difference between them--and the description for them on the modules page is identical

[left sand]

I see what happened

low used to disable flecks but i re-enabled flecks

[burnt dragon]

this being team coloured would be cool

this being team coloured would be cool

blue razorback does sound cool to me

[burnt dragon]

blue fire axe would also look neat

[left sand]

why?

its a fire axe

its not team colored just because its red

team coloring is very specific

[burnt dragon]

nah its not about making team coloured, I just think it would look nice

[small siren]

*nah its not about

making team coloured, I just

think it would look nice*

- polarite

[burnt dragon]

bad bot

maybe I just think that because fire axe design is nice and having a different variant that I havent seen for 50+ hours would also feel nice

[orchid sorrel]

unless its a war paint

[formal dew]

steve from the csgo team told them to never mess with skins

[next nymph]

fake

[tough locust]

valve won't fix broken reflections & rotations on war paints because something about maintaining the integrity of the skin that these people bought (though they updated every skin in cs2 anyway)

[spring kestrel]

🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[spring kestrel]

It would be cool!

[wild grove]

Maybe, might change in the future with whats been going on with emails to fix the 2024 war paints going with a forward rather than a immediate dismissal (not holding my breath tho.)

[stuck locust]

although the belt loops are blue, strangely

[tough locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDfDjToSq7o chet weighs in

[crisp cedar]

hey guys please check out my game the anacrusis

[tough locust]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-mid-it's-horrendous-mid-horrendous-shaking-head-gif-5595386809188919894

[summer steeple]

hmmm

[wild grove]

lol

[high current]

In fairness the fix is easy, the logistics of the courtesy Valve extends to creators is complicated.
One person at Valve could probably pretty reasonably fix the color of the handful of cosmetics that relied on the old texture. But Valve prefers to let creators manage their own work, so there’s a dilemma of whether to step on toes, at no technical/legal malice, or just go back to dealing with the minor bug. Easiest and most courteous option is the latter.

I would be interested to know how affected creators reacted to this. If maybe they have been contacted to make changes so this fix could potentially be re-added in the future, or if creators are taking it upon themselves to offer their fix-compatible changes, or if any of them are even active still.
Would just be interesting to know.

[wild grove]

I can tell you this, most of them are not active with the game anymore.

[left sand]

some may legally be unable to contribute to the game due to conditions of their employment

[craggy ridge]

finished my contracts :)

[craggy ridge]

he looks like Harry du bois a little bit

if he let his hair grow out

[velvet raft]

you mean Tequila Sunset?

[spring kestrel]

Damn that's true

[jagged pawn]

wait is this him saying that the bug is in the orange box? ie the console version is wrong? or am I misreading this

[summer steeple]

yes

the only version of the game that has blue pants iirc is the PS3 version, which valve did not handle

[wild grove]

even then, not only that, but with console releases, you have to do that stuff in advance ahead of time.

[sterile ferry]

thats very low, i checked the thing with the commands for each preset and its the same list

[limpid panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vQNuYij0Cs

[high current]

Someone hasn't updated their hud since the halloween update 👀

[craggy ridge]

You caught me

[summer steeple]

heroic demoman lives through hell itself

takes the place of another demoman

[barren gulch]

Nobody:
My Deranged mind: What if there was a mod in TF2 that reverted every single weapon to the instance where they were the most powerful?

because we know valve does not properly test their weapons at times, so there are some really ridiculous instances of some weapons.

like how the sandman (supposedly?) stunned even ubered players

[jagged pawn]

wdym supposedly

it did lol

[barren gulch]

i was unsure about it since it's way before i got into tf2

[mystic turtle]

That would be funny as shit
I'm a BFB main, having the older blaster with the Sandman+Cleaver combo and a decent connection would make Scout so powerful Sonic would have to take notes
I could also imagine grossly overpowered shit like the return of the old Ambassador and Dead Ringer

There's also general buffs to consider if readding old exploits is on the table if they count as buffs
like all pistols being able to shoot as fast as you can click (or how fast a macro can click), which was how it operated before
we could see junk like "pocket pistol becomes an instant medium health pack if you can land the magdump at close range" (it used to heal A LOT MORE HEALTH)" or "Winger magdump obliterates random spy"

or the tide turner essentially being used more for its charge refill than its turning as all shields can now easily turn with proper keybinds

[drowsy marlin]

Stickybomb launcher launches nukes

And heavy is finally okay

Spy...

Sniper can jump after shooting again

[high current]

Just stand in specific depths of water all the time

[burnt dragon]

machine is such a good weapon!

also:
GET DOWN MY PRESIDENT

question

would it be possible to increase the lighting quality of maps and change materials and still play on casual servers?

[summer steeple]

lighting quality of maps: no, its baked into the map file itself, you'd have to recompile the map and then that would make it completely incompatible with any server running the map
materials: maybe?

[burnt dragon]

oh got it

right recompiling maps will break it

[summer steeple]

interesting quirk, if you have weaopn fast switch enabled, you can still bring up the weapon select menu (visually, doesn't accept input) for about a second with any of the slot commands past 6 (slot7 through slot12)

ok correction, it does "accept" input

in that it just eats whatever input you give it and then closes the menu

including clicking

also fun fact, the weapon selection ui is some of the most dogshit ass hardcoded bullshit ever

if you are playing with a steam controller, it forcefully enables fastswitch, which, while funny, is also pretty stupid

[formal dew]

least hardcoded vgui element

[summer steeple]

yeah lmao

its timers are hardcoded defined floats

[mystic anchor]

deflect!

[kind falcon]

bazed and pilld

[radiant merlin]

valve plz add

[high current]

Be the change you want to see in the world

[summer steeple]

looking through textures (for completely unrelated reasons), and i'm looking at the quickplay gamemode icons

blue scout pants

PLR is unclear but looks pretty blue

mannpower is red pants

but come on, can we really trust these images, look at these coloring mistakes, so sloppy

although honestly this whole image is weird because this is clearly just a red medic but with a blue tie and gloves

something else i'm noticing is that in most of these drawings the mercs never have their class emblems

just completely missing

honestly little inconsistencies like this is probably why they swapped to SFM renders of these drawings (almost exactly in some cases) for casual

its actually pretty neat how well they managed to recreate the drawings in SFM

ok except this one this is just bad lmao

[formal dew]

that pyro is a spy

[summer steeple]

I'm also not even sure thats doomsday

it looks like badlands or something but with the rocket

plus the unused neutral CTF flag instead of the SD flag

ok i actually looked at a picture of doomsday, that is doomsday

but I think for the purposes of this image they rotated the rocket 90 degrees?

that crane in the background is off to the side of the back of the rocket, not behind it

i'm just noticing the AD one just has a different image on the right side where it fades out lmao

I think its the mannpower one but rotated

you can see the yellow fence and red line

honestly I like the old AD one more though, how it has one of every sentry instead of just 2 level 3s

[radiant merlin]

sniper red vest!!!!??!?!?

unacceptable

[proper tangle]

I still wish the redesign of the hud didn't take away the drawings

[summer steeple]

vgui continues to baffle me

removing the cancel and edit loadout buttons on the class select screen broke my ability to select a class

i cannot even fathom how thats possible, and I'm literally looking at the class menu code right now

[left sand]

vgui

[summer steeple]

pain incarnate

[potent wolf]

vgui is great

[summer steeple]

I would bite the bullet and learn css and js if it meant we got panorama

2 things I hate

alternatively

give me the ability to run hud animations at will

that would suffice for me at least for some things

[potent wolf]

client-side vscript with vgui when

(what could possibly go wrong)

[jagged pawn]

tf2 panorama ui in 2073 surely

[unborn pecan]

beep boop beep boop beep boop

[burnt dragon]

its because of red filter imo

[summer steeple]

its not really a filter

its just like

film grain

[high current]

I think that’s more so meant to imitate the texture of a canvas or a watercolor paper, rather than film grain

[burnt dragon]

yeah if the postprocessing was removed the pants would be blue imo

cause his shirt is also different colour

[high current]

My vote is remove scouts pants entirely

[drowsy marlin]

Why not make scouts pants switch back to the red version for the cosmetics it clashes with?

Best of both worlds

[slender nexus]

Gaming

[high current]

Give it the festive sticky bomb launcher treatment. Add a second style to the bugged cosmetics for psychopaths that want to keep it

[crisp cedar]

good idea

[spring kestrel]

?

[high current]

The original festive sticky bomb launcher was bugged and had white lights. They ended up adding it as style 2 and the fixed multi-colored lights were added as style 1.

I think it was the first weapon to have multiple styles. iirc now the bat outta hell also has multiple, or maybe it’s based on the class you have equipped. There’s some trivia fact there

[wild grove]

People will bitch and moan about team recog more than the current state of the pants, again, this should've been thought of in 2007-2008 instead of 2024.

When there was no cosmetics that were built off of the messed up pants yet.

[summer steeple]

should clarify, I got curious and looked at the leaked psd files (the mannpower one didn't exist yet at the point these files were grabbed unfortunately), but the effect on the other gamemode ones is made with a layer called film grain, so i called it that

[spare obsidian]

god, is this topic still going lol

😭

[wild grove]

We're gonna take the pants off the scout

https://tenor.com/view/grandma-got-ran-over-by-a-reindeer-granpas-gonna-sue-the-pants-off-of-santa-cousin-mel-sue-santa-fruit-hats-gif-5426418558473608641

[summer steeple]

I don't care about what color the pants are, I just am curious how blue scout is represented in various pieces of official tf2 media

[burnt dragon]

we should use mad milk over the pants to turn them white

objections?

[summer steeple]

they should stay the color they are but have a white stain directly over the crotch area

[burnt dragon]

jarate should add a piss stain over the crotch and reaching to feet

[potent wolf]

// flip bit back since data was send yet

can someone please tell what this is supposed to mean

[next nymph]

what did i do

[orchid sorrel]

erics gonna revert the pants off of scout

[half rose]

casual abandonment penalty return?

[wild grove]

that happens when daylight savings ends

you basically can't play for an hour

[half rose]

1 hour shit

[kind falcon]

owned

[orchid sorrel]

https://streamable.com/c46id2

whoops

[high current]

I’d die pretty quick too if there were sparks flying violently out of my crotch.

[burnt dragon]

waiting on queue since 30 mins

valve goofed something

[jagged pawn]

stop trying to queue for exclusively timbertown

[burnt dragon]

nah I had 15 or something in the list

also

tf2 doesnt see my change to cursor speed

weird

in pause menu especially

[potent wolf]

m_nOutSequenceNr = 1; // otherwise it looks like a
looks like a ???

my guess is that it was meant to be "looks like a duplicate packet" but

why did they never finish the sentence 😭

[next nymph]

they removed all derogatory terms in the codebase

[summer steeple]

I just encountered the weirdest bug in tf2 i've ever seen

the hcat opened but broke in such a way that it didn't think the chat was open

so i was able to play the game but couldn't move my mouse

I couldn't interact with the chat or open any menus

if i pressed the chat button again it would just open the chat again

eventually i figured out that I am the luckiest person on the planet because i have hud_reloadscheme bound, which closed the chat window, but didn't end the bug

so i had control of the mouse again but everything else was still broken, and if I opened the chat again it would still get locked

you can watch me struggle to play the game if you want lol

unrelated

[serene yarrow]

are virginia servers kill for anyone else here

like I always have my ping limit set to the lowest and the only servers I get are virginia but now all I get are LA servers

and virginia is completely gone from the list

actually im pretty sure many regions are missing from the list

ig it's maintenance day so it's probably gonna fix itself soon but I have never seen that before

[coarse spruce]

https://store.steampowered.com/oldnews/233193 bruh

matchmaking is fix??

[summer willow]

meet your match 2

[barren gulch]

meet your match 2: slop boogaloo

[uncut spear]

LOL

[summer steeple]

some of the button variables got moved around, clearly this is proof that the keep part on the same team option will be implemented soon, yep totally true real 100% no fake

apparently the monoculus spell has been misspelled for years???

lmao

oh and they added localization strings for the new servers

undocumented, they removed the dogtag bodygroup from The Face Plante and all bodygroups from the Support Spurs

support spurs are not on scout, so dogtags and headphones bodygroups were unused anyway

and the face plante is a hockey mask for scout, so now it doesn't remove your dogtags :)

still doesn't hide his hat, which it clips through

but hey, improvement

for reference

how nice of them, they left comments in the new hud file for the matchmaking error

its the little things