Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[potent wolf]

oh is that new?

[radiant merlin]

first time since 2017 they add a custom character

for halloween

[left sand]

erm.

ok.

[left sand]

ms paint blue case

[summer steeple]

they forgor

[radiant merlin]

i got the fucking case and my inv isn't loading ffs

[hoary geyser]

looks like it's the time of year for me to regularly play tf2 again

scream fortress my beloved

[hidden gyro]

WHY IS MY TEXT SO BIG

AAAAAAAAAAA

[potent wolf]

you've gotta hand it to them, they're very consistent at shipping broken updates

[potent wolf]

ui_scaling_test was merged

[summer steeple]

yeah my console font scaling feels off

like whats up with this dead space

[hidden gyro]

Console, settings, chat box

[potent wolf]

iirc you can adjust the scaling

[hidden gyro]

I swear to god

If in game chat

[radiant merlin]

steam won't let me sell it :c

[hidden gyro]

Is huge

I'mma be upset

[hidden gyro]

Ope

[jagged pawn]

this is not true? lol they did the grill and krampus

also this update does not seem very good ngl

what are we doing here

or here

or here

[summer steeple]

the scaling is so fucked

also i swear i didn't have the scoreboard mouse mode set to 2 before

but i mightve

I CANT READ THIS PERSON'S PING

[hoary geyser]

yeah something is wrong with the tab menu lol

[summer steeple]

this should not have been merged yet :/

[radiant merlin]

#fixtf2

[pale basalt]

is the gc fucked?

why is queing so slow

[summer steeple]

thats kinda just normal after an update iirc

[pale basalt]

amazing update

yes its custom hud but damn is the scaling too stronk

[spare obsidian]

blame ficool

[radiant merlin]

nice

[summer willow]

oh

theres no audio

but sounds atleast in vsh is completely broken

like hearing binary data

[raw escarp]

tf_scoreboard_mouse_mode now defaults to 2

[summer steeple]

WHY

[summer willow]

what this mean?

[radiant merlin]

it doesn't even have a line

[jagged pawn]

lol

[raw escarp]

clicking with the scoreboard open lets you move your mouse and check other people's stats

[jagged pawn]

........

[radiant merlin]

that doesn't look like the ingame model

[jagged pawn]

it's not even close

[summer willow]

good

[radiant merlin]

mmm it does actually

[eternal haven]

WTF is this blurry garbage

Font antialiasing forced now?

[high current]

Boy I sure am glad they pushed the UI scaling update...

[jagged pawn]

oh interesting, the one I sent before is from the workshop listing

[small siren]

*oh interesting, the

one I sent before is from

the workshop listing*

- Grapevime

[jagged pawn]

guess they just didn't update the picture

[radiant merlin]

fucking why

just stick to the rules fucking dammit

[serene yarrow]

what is this

[radiant merlin]

koth toxic

[serene yarrow]

oh so its a bot saxton?

or a real player

[summer steeple]

you can't do the new contracts lmao

[radiant merlin]

this map

it's like laughter but unfunny

[summer steeple]

idk i like it so far

[radiant merlin]

it's literally laughter, same layout, same hell

[summer steeple]

i mean i can kinda see the similarities

i don't think its that much of an issue

[daring siren]

can someone explain this??

[summer steeple]

idk its kinda like saying koth maps are like viaduct

[potent wolf]

?

[daring siren]

hmm just some server browser shenanigans

33 and it's already full

33/128 max players was the weird thing i was wondering about

[radiant merlin]

this drawing doesn't fit the map at all

[serene yarrow]

is it too late to say fiend post-update waiting room

[summer steeple]

no but i'm tired

and don't really care

[serene yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-begging-please-cute-gif-11926874

[radiant merlin]

it's like they didn't know what else to put

[potent wolf]

they should've put a pride flag there

[eternal haven]

Anyone know how I can make my console and netgraph not blurry

on windows

[small siren]

*Anyone know how

I can make my console and

netgraph not blurry*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[eternal haven]

I have antialias 0 on each

[radiant merlin]

the mvm map

it would be better if it was mannpower

not joking

[summer steeple]

yeah i agree that toxic has 0 reason to have 5 minute caps

like ghost fort is pain but at least has a gimmick

this is just koth

[orchid sorrel]

this mvm upgrade map is so dumb

i just emptied a whole server with phlog

just max jump height > resistance/hok

[wild grove]

Is engie strong like that video about if mvm upgrades were in pvp?

Or were they smart enough to block sentry health upgrades?

[wild grove]

Spy with resistances, movement speed increase 💀

[orchid sorrel]

i played engie for 2 rounds and genuinely hated it

the map is basically all corners, so you get jumped by everybody

and may god have mercy on you if theres a spy with move speed and jump height

I did the phlog cancel exploit on like 3 different people

just because of jump height

[pale basalt]

i swear to god they do not test

even worse than ever

its so insane contraker is broken

[summer steeple]

nah i think we've had worse

its bad, but not that bad

iirc all the maps are playable

[pale basalt]

right

saxton hale launch was worse

[wild grove]

Nothing new ngl

[orchid sorrel]

oh

theres an exploit in freaky fair

building hp is reset whenever an engie buys and refunds building hp

so you can just keep buying and refunding and the sentry just heals every time for full

theres an unkillable sentry on the enemy team

[wild grove]

The worse part is keeping the sentry health upgrades in general, didn't a video tell us why we shouldn't have that?

There was an entire video about this concept too

[summer steeple]

who watches tf2 videos

[wild grove]

I do when bored also autism

very specific in my content selection from this community tho

[potent wolf]

update 2

the sequel

[jagged pawn]

this was the bug they fixed for anyone curious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfRwn_XfMsU

so pretty standard failure to load sound glitch

[drowsy marlin]

this war paint is delicious

i want it

[grizzled chasm]

is anyone else having the problem where you cant join a team when you join a server

i try to use the retry command in console but it still wont let me join a team on the halloween maps

[left sand]

enter console command: closedwelcomemenu

but use #1019788401588830249

[summer steeple]

this bug like always comes back worse than ever

something about how source handles sounds that is just fucked up lmao

[jagged pawn]

yeah it's so common lol

[summer steeple]

just in general asset caching and replacing is fucked up

so many bugs over the years

hell i mean, custom asset preloading i think is the result of how messed up asset caching is

[high current]

They really should have made use of the info.vdf file in huds for this update tbh.

Or just remove it if updates like this don't qualify for a new hud version number in Valve's eyes.

[rare creek]

holy shit i just creamed my pants

[orchid sorrel]

the thermal thruster upgrade in freaky fair

[summer steeple]

they did not cook long enough for this tbh

it broke so much

[rare creek]

of course they didn't fix the healthbonusposadj being resolution dependent even though I reported it still being resolution dependant on github and it's literally like a 2 line fix 💀

[summer steeple]

yeah :(

that was the first thing i checked

[rare creek]

are they fucking stupid?

[summer steeple]

i mean like i said the ui scale update was not cooked long enough

[small siren]

*i mean like i said

the ui scale update was

not cooked long enough*

- treacherousfiend

[formal dew]

no they can work on it like half an hour once every two weeks

[small siren]

*no they can work on

it like half an hour once

every two weeks*

- borealis64

[formal dew]

then it gets pushed live

[potent wolf]

my guess is that they dont want to have diverging branches

[summer steeple]

probably

[rare creek]

wdym

[potent wolf]

so whenever they have to push an update to the main branch, they merge the changes onto it, even if they arent done

[summer steeple]

case in point, the x64 patch

[potent wolf]

exactly

[rare creek]

what

[summer steeple]

literally unfinished, but they needed to push the objector crash fix

so they just pushed their main branch, which had the unfinished x64 update

[rare creek]

omg valve developers are so stupid for not knowing what git is 💔

[summer steeple]

they use perforce instead

[rare creek]

theh ell is perforce

[summer steeple]

evil incarnate

[potent wolf]

git

but enterprise

[summer steeple]

iirc its better than git for assets but for code...

also git LFS is much more recent than tf2, which is what makes asset work in a git repo actually like... possible

[rare creek]

gitkraken

[rare creek]

Oh noooooooo they put in a fucking tug of war map 😭 😭

[rare creek]

nvm it's not actually that bad

[left sand]

perforce is git with tooling

[rare creek]

map that requires powerup canteens that doesn't give you the powerup canteen

i dont have it

[crisp cedar]

iirc u get it for getting an mvm achievement

oh it just says that

[rare creek]

i deleted it because every mvm map equips it on you anyways even if you dont have it

[jagged pawn]

etf2l is based?

[orchid sorrel]

hopefully the other freaky fair exploit gets fixed soon

where if you change class after a round ends, you keep all your passive upgrades

[rare creek]

https://youtu.be/7baMnAFDHVI

the hats we got this year are really good!

most of the unusuals are dogshit tho

this looks like complete ass

[jagged pawn]

school nuisance is just the fast learner 😭

duality of mantle is so good tho

[rare creek]

they put in another map with fucking missing textures you have to be fucking kidding me

inexcusable laziness

[high current]

Why’d they ship the update 2 weeks earlier than last year if it’s undercooked this bad.
I bet deadlock leaves closed beta on Halloween.

[kind falcon]

what do you mean 2 weeks earlier

they always ship it in the first two weeks of october

[rare creek]

please no more vshit maps

[rare creek]

that's the mvm one

[high current]

I thought someone said last Halloween dropped 2 weeks later than this one and didn’t fact check

Still this update was so undercooked it gave us salmonella

[rare creek]

id rather maps be created by map designers and artists than programmers who knwo nothign about the game...

[high current]

Vscript fun! Who are you? Spicy Messiah??? (Sarcasm)

[rare creek]

really shitty programmers who make billions of bugs too

[rare creek]

valve is lazy

[high current]

I don’t think this year is any different than the amount of work they’ve put into scream fortress in the past decade. I just think for some reason they held themselves to a deadline and pushed something undercooked as hell when they’re the “we don’t do deadlines” company.

They also make their lives a lot harder for themselves by insisting on compiling maps themselves.

[rare creek]

what deadline???? this update came out like 2 weeks later than it should have

honestly everything valve does nowadays is mid and undercooked

and I could have done it better

[high current]

There was no deadline, other than trying to not take too much longer than the update did last year.

Everything every game company does nowadays is undercooked. People buy games before they even release so why spend money finishing a game when you know you can just update it after it drops and get free media attention by drip feeding polish that should have released with the game.

[rare creek]

yup

[high current]

Not even just limited to games. Look at the shitshow that was the Tesla Cybertruck release. It was chopping people’s fingers off and they pushed a fix and labeled it as a feature update.

Rolling refrigerator with its gas pedal getting stuck to the floor.

[rare creek]

indie games are uneffected but too bad most of them aren't that good in the first place

[high current]

Frankly a lot of indie games are the same. Most are just the basic character controller with either online assets or paying someone else to make assets, then like slide and grapple hook mechanics copied line for line from a YouTube tutorial, and some basic medieval themed RPG story line

There’s some gems that come out but they’re stupidly rare now. Or I guess non-gems are overwhelmingly more common now.

[rare creek]

Frankly a lot of indie games are the same
pixel art

all of them are 2d pixel art or ps1 style games

[midnight cape]

hehe, have you seen the sightlines on freaky fair? one long across the whole mid with full view of the point, and every connector to last has a sightline straight from spawn, some of them two

[rare creek]

well that's every PD map really

[midnight cape]

freaky fair is symmetric 3cp with mvm upgrades tho

[rare creek]

oh I was thinking about circus

vscript ruined tf2!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rare creek]

not to mention that deadlock's matchmaking is literally ai slop

they used an algorithm they found by using chatgpt instead of just googling it

[jagged pawn]

3cp and its consequences

[formal dew]

i am glad that they fixed the party chat font being tiny with horrible kerning in the default hud

[radiant merlin]

now it's massive

[high current]

That should only be with custom huds that it’s massive. Unless valve made an oversight

[heavy solar]

@high current has leveled up! (21 ➜ 22)

[high current]

As far as I know it’s basically an issue of they suddenly forced auto-scaling to fonts and elements that previously didn’t support auto-scaling at all. So hud devs were basically blindsided with the drop of this.
I haven’t done any in depth investigating yet though

[burnt dragon]

they forgot to connect 5th part of quests to main quests

so we cant do them lmao

[high current]

There’s so much quest bloat that it’s probably healthier to not be able to do them

[burnt dragon]

I want my 6000th halloween crate >:V

[high current]

They really need to start phasing out older quests. Maybe the older community maps, cuz I think the OG bosses are peak Halloween.

[rare creek]

you should have investigated the ui scaling test in the 2 months it was out 😔

[burnt dragon]

or just remove least played maps from map pool

and quest pool of course

[high current]

I didn’t bother cuz it seemed jank and incomplete and expected it to change and be more smoothly implemented

Also tbh I half expected it to not get implemented at all

[rare creek]

it's valve idk how you expected this

[high current]

Probably more so I expected them to just let it gather dust and never implement it

Or hardcode the bjesus out of it

[wild grove]

Its gonna be funny once they run out of space, so they make a folder called "more" that contains more community map folders :P

[left sand]

didnt it get applied to more things than what was in the beta

[rare creek]

nope

[left sand]

i dont remember it getting applied to the game hud in the initial update

[rare creek]

I didnt notice anything different from day 1 ui scaling test to the current release

[rare creek]

the game hud alwaysscaled

[left sand]

oh okay

[rare creek]

there's still some stuff that doesnt scale even tho it would be super easy to make it scale

bc valve is lazy and didnt look at the github issues

[potent wolf]

it scales independently from the scaling factor convar 🙀

[formal dew]

shader moment

[tough locust]

they just need to find a way to change it up, it sucks having the same contract path every single year with no variation. it's always harvest, then mann manor, eyeaduct, then kill monoculus, then go to carnival of carnage, you can't play some of the cool maps before u finish maple ridge event ETC

[tough locust]

i get the feeling that this is gonna be one of the last Halloweens with more than 1-2 maps, Eric Smith loves scream fortress tho

[wild grove]

that or what I said lol

[tough locust]

is this blazehattan?

[tough locust]

if Eric Smith doesn't die in the next 5 years we will have 150 scream fortress maps by 2030

[grim parcel]

i figured this was why hypnotize hud was screwed up for me yesterday

are there any huds that have updated to fix it yet?

[rare creek]

yes

i updated xhud to fix everything like day 1 the branch came out

[small siren]

*i updated xhud

to fix everything like day

1 the branch came out*

- totallynotniteruxiswear

[eternal haven]

They should've put this ui scaling thing behind an optional flag or something

It's a cool novelty but in no way is it worth chucking out the old one and breaking so much stuff

[jagged pawn]

when did you start playing tf2

[eternal haven]

2015

Maybe 2016

[jagged pawn]

do you remember when every single update broke huds

[potent wolf]

like 100 players

[rare creek]

how

there's been an update that broke huds like literally every single year since this game came out`

[left sand]

but no ui version update this time

[rare creek]

they last updated the ui version in jungle inferno tho

[potent wolf]

backwards compatibility be damned

what were the changes and why do they crash?

because that seems like it would be more due to unintentionally introduced bugs

@rare creek ?

[rare creek]

I was wrong

can you stop asking now

[potent wolf]

what

ok then

i was just confused as to why you deleted it

[rare creek]

ok

[grim parcel]

how do i fix

i am noob

[rare creek]

just put the xhud fixed folder in your tf2 custom folder

[grim parcel]

but i use hypnotize hud

[rare creek]

and remove xhud if you have it

[grim parcel]

what did you do to xhud to fix it

[rare creek]

remove hypnotize hud put xhud fixed instead

[rare creek]

i reduced the font sizes and removed resolution dependent font sizes

[grim parcel]

https://github.com/CriticalFlaw/flawhud/commit/0824cc88f0befd38f051e94db628e6d9712793e6

this looks like a lot of work

[rare creek]

it's really not half of this is just bullshit random shit

[grim parcel]

ah yeah it's updating other stuff

this doesn't seem too bad
https://github.com/rbjaxter/budhud/commit/a0bda4a7e276f31475e0cd0140a7765108db51d4

[rare creek]

90% of the font shit is random keyvalue names ive never seen before or used

[rare creek]

yeah this is more like it

[grim parcel]

i couldn't figure it out

using flawhud

but it seems to still have the same issue

ig budhud is the only solution

[rare creek]

nope xhud fixed is the only solution

[grim parcel]

more like

midhud

[rare creek]

drone strukes you with a nuke

[grim parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/missile-strike-explode-car-gif-16981617

why does flawhud make me feel like i'm playing in 4:3

[rare creek]

because flawhud sucks ass

every other hud is better

[jagged pawn]

they call it flawhud because the flaws are immediately apparent

[rare creek]

yup

[wild grove]

flawhud is okay, just in modern day, it's not a creative hud.

[small siren]

*flawhud is okay,

just in modern day, it's not

a creative hud.*

- woshee

[rare creek]

flawhud is downright ugly tbh...

gigantic tf2build fonts everywhere

[wild grove]

Its legit just numbers on the screen with a transparent square behind it

if I wanted just numbers, budhud is right there.

[rare creek]

xhud better

[wild grove]

thats because you worked on it huh?

[rare creek]

it's also just better

[high current]

No its cuz i worked on it👀

[grim parcel]

sunset hud on top

[glass musk]

it works for me

the only issue is medals not showing in scoreboard

[high current]

“Issue”

[potent wolf]

update 2: episode 1

hmmmm why is ui_scaling_test also getting updates

[rare creek]

team fortress 2 just dropped

[pale basalt]

contracts finally fixed

[summer steeple]

poor eric

[jagged pawn]

LMAOOO

[summer steeple]

the formatting doesn't even seem like its bad

[spare obsidian]

damn

[wild grove]

Btw I think that bugfix about being stuck in spec when joining is global

[left sand]

probably the "in progress" part

[summer steeple]

ah yeah

although to me that kinda just looks like word wrapping

[potent wolf]

the "in progress" part looks fine for me, but there this....

[summer steeple]

it looks fine if i extend the window

on the reply it does look kinda weird yeah

like undre "Original Message"

[potent wolf]

emails are hard

[summer steeple]

yeah

[orchid sorrel]

still no fix to infinite money on freak fair, huh

[spare obsidian]

those fixes are not responsability of valve

but of the map maker, they just deliver what the map creator makes/updates

[summer steeple]

yeah i'm kinda surprised that ZI got a fix

cause I know that the developer of that was struggling to find a fix for getting stuck in spectate mode because they couldn't reproduce it

[high current]

How’s this update rank on the “most broken update” list?
For hud devs it seems pretty high up there.

Seems kinda up there for Eric too

[summer steeple]

i think pretty low tbh

all the maps are playable

there's nothing game breaking

[orchid sorrel]

did i say it was

[wild grove]

yeah, prolly the mapper hasn't found a solution to the bug or hasnt found it and fixed it fast enough for the first patch.

[worn hedge]

i mean anything that effects the hud-devs usually effects people who use huds, so unfortunately up there

[rare creek]

releases a major update and then immediately release 2 fixes for it

they did not test this shit at all 😭

[wild grove]

Low, the broken hud thing whenever a hud change occurs isn't new, the update actually came out mostly playable, with nothing much needing fixing in terms of maps and cosmetic content. I do wonder how much worse it could've been if it came out a week ago.

[eternal haven]

It was more than just a hud change this time

[high current]

Also sounds like there’s more than nothing that needs fixing in maps and cosmetics. Considering we have had 2 fix updates to maps and cosmetics and apparently there’s still major issues with at least Freaky Fair.
And apparently the Halloween 5 contracts weren’t even accessible.

idk I think we got Bingo, seems like every category an update could break got broken.

Plus whatever this is…

[tough locust]

Eric officially resigns from tf2

[soft sundial]

does anyone know anything about these two commands?
trackerlistallfiles
trackerlistvpkfiles
they look new

[rare creek]

nope

[eternal haven]

Nope nothing new

Looks the same as it's been for years

Has anyone done benchmarking before and after the ui scaling test?

I am noticing reduced performance

[high current]

Spells and other Halloween stuff are also currently enabled, those tend to impact performance

[sterile ferry]

is there any actual difference between low and medium particles settings?

looked at the console variables list thing and they look identical

[small siren]

*looked at the console

variables list thing and they

look identical*

- plazma127

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247659640330784862/1294762937562693684/image.png?ex=670c3173&is=670adff3&hm=ca0ba6bfe71479b360c57361d9e1bbe452f49be8c49894eebf2b4453a7f96769&

I buffer overflowed and then when I reconnected I had this

I couldnt take any damage except from bleed/melee

[radiant merlin]

lol

[stuck locust]

fun new exploit

[radiant merlin]

true?

[summer willow]

cool

[summer steeple]

huh, neat

[green tulip]

why is the vote reason still a dropdown smh

[summer willow]

design 101

[green tulip]

should really be radio buttons instead

the dropdown wastes time and forces the user to do an extra input

[formal dew]

mario's greatest enemy

[potent wolf]

oh right I don't remember if I mentioned this, but the source paths changed slightly

so I wonder if there have been some build system changes

[summer steeple]

probably because there's a lot of vote options that just are disabled in most servers

or are specific to various gamemodes, like mvm

[radiant merlin]

yeah, they could hardcode so only in casual no options appear

[small siren]

*yeah, they could hardcode

so only in casual

no options appear*

- ashewiki_tf

[summer steeple]

oh did they change the website

[radiant merlin]

biggest halloween update in years

[rare creek]

this was a while ago I think

[radiant merlin]

oh

mid update

[left sand]

i noticed it went from a linux dir to something more familiar

[drowsy marlin]

So with tf2 being 64 bit, why can't it be on mac?

[small siren]

*So with tf2

being 64 bit, why

can't it be on mac?*

- fraklin

[drowsy marlin]

Woah

[potent wolf]

and there you go

[potent wolf]

more familiar?

[left sand]

something ive seen before or at least remember

[summer steeple]

because joshie said they'd rather jump off a bridge than touch mac building again

wait shit do they not go by that name anymore

idk what name they go by fuck

their github page just says misyl

[rare creek]

?

[rare creek]

because developing for mac sucks ass

there's no directx to metal translator

and you would have to port tf2 to work on arm

probably impossible

[summer steeple]

well they transitioned at some point and I just wasn't sure if they went by the same name anymore I don't want to deadname them

ok cool

[rare creek]

"joshie" does seem to only be a server nickname though

[potent wolf]

togl....

[rare creek]

togl sucks ass that's why they deprecated it in the linux version

[small siren]

*togl sucks ass that's why

they deprecated it in

the linux version*

- totallynotniteruxiswear

[rare creek]

probably also doesn't work on arm

[green tulip]

DXVK then MoltenVK

[rare creek]

yup

[summer steeple]

more like dicksVK

cause DX sucks

[potent wolf]

It would certainly be easier now that its been updated for modern compilers and 64bit

[rare creek]

also mac users can just buy a crossover license ez pc

[small siren]

*also mac users

can just buy a crossover

license ez pc*

- totallynotniteruxiswear

[potent wolf]

togl is perfect

🙏

[crisp cedar]

i just call them phys_ballsocket

[radiant merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5BHsNQlcPs

[surreal valley]

Got a haunted chicken kiev and a medimedes

cool

wish i could trade them tho

i would be rich

[kind falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057747065746231336/1293254630511480912/togif-1.gif

[radiant merlin]

aboot the freaky fair thing

[crisp cedar]

𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂 fair

[velvet raft]

rayne using girly Tiktok phrases

[high current]

I don’t think freaky is a girly tiktok phrase

[velvet raft]

shut up, let me have this

[tough locust]

so many halloween contracts that we had to make a spreadhseet, i wonder if anyone has made some sort of automated thing where you can plug in your completed contracts with your friends and it shows you which maps to queue for

[wild grove]

I didn't realize outburst has new objectives compared to the rest of em.

[green tulip]

why do the CVARs for the new ui scaling have a case of RAS syndrome

[small siren]

*why do the CVARs for

the new ui scaling have a

case of RAS syndrome*

- goodusername12345

[green tulip]

"Valve Game User Interface User Interface Scaling"

maybe not exactly RAS syndrome but some form of it or something like it at least

[high current]

Giving off “smh my head” vibes

[wild grove]

Supposedly bots are back, coming in herds. EDIT: never mind.

[heavy solar]

@wild grove has leveled up! (27 ➜ 28)

[uncut spear]

finally am doing the devil's work of either finding mods I already have that have casual compatible versions or deleting mods that aren't/can't be

i wanna play muh halloween

[uncut spear]

quick question

https://gamebanana.com/mods/461578

do these mods work in casual?

[uncut spear]

oh

ig I was more so wondering if those types of mods are casual compatible

I'll probs test it anyways but danke for helping

[jagged pawn]

the longer answer is that there's an exploit that allows most mods to work in casual that involves a startup command you have to run (this can be done automatically) before joining a match, but the mod has to support that

so it's tough to determine by "type of mod" these days, it moreso depends on whether the developer has put in the necessary work to support that exploit

[uncut spear]

yeah so I'll just test based on their words

again thanks for the help

also that'll make it more strict on what mods I'd think would work so I can organize/remove mods easier

[uncut spear]

what (possible) fun to discover after deleting a bunch of my mods

should've figured tho since a dot does hide files in general

[high current]

Back in my day people just ran shotgun in bball and mge

[summer willow]

im having an annoying bug that the engineer construction panel doesn't go up after the death screen, its consistent in the way it at some always occur but i can't reproducible alone

[velvet raft]

what secondarys do you use for each class?

i still dk what to pick

[high current]

Scout: pistol.
Soldier: gunboats, but if I know the person I’m playing and we agree then shotgun.
Demo: stickies
Any other class in MGE is a sin 🙏

[grim parcel]

shotgun is slept on

gunboat soldiers get aggressive and are used to both of you running lower on rockets

[rare creek]

best soldier secondary is the recently unbanned B A S E jumper

[high current]

Shotgun pocket soldiers are definitely slept on, especially at lower-than-invite divs of 6s where pacing is often slow enough that non-gunboats soldiers don’t really have trouble keeping up. Plus having a soldier to splash damage bombers or scout rushers helps with non-invite pocket scouts that choke more often.

[rare creek]

#1072696252162117752 message

[high current]

The problem is people in divs where shotgun soldier can keep up don’t understand why shotgun isn’t run in invite.

That being said, I’m currently playing pocket soldier in IM and run gunboats so I’m really just out here talking shit about myself 🤷‍♂️

[orchid sorrel]

these queue times for halloween are horrendous

[formal dew]

The problems of 700 maps

[rare creek]

even queued for all of them it doesn't get me into a match

nobody is playting halloween anymore

[tough locust]

this is what I was predicting would happen before the summer 2024 update

didn't expect that it would actually hit on halloween

[spring kestrel]

Shotgun soldiers are based as hell but I like jumping

[drowsy marlin]

if valve would revert the medic buff where he can follow scouts, I gurantee shotgun soldier would make a return

medics moving at scout speed is really really stupid

[spring kestrel]

I think it's fine tbh

[drowsy marlin]

I don'

I love shotgun soldier and valve took that from me

[spring kestrel]

It makes Ubers more interesting because you can chase people with them

[small siren]

*It makes Ubers more

interesting because you can

chase people with them*

- _bluster_

[spring kestrel]

Ain't nobody stopping you in current year from running it unless your team is compromised of bastards

[drowsy marlin]

k guess I'll lose

straight up shotgun soldier cannot keep up in this 6s meta with medics following scouts

too slow

that's why double roamer is a thing and you now have a pocket scout

should be the other way around

[jagged pawn]

replace your pocket soldier with a pyro

jokes aside I do agree that the meta of a scout having to babysit the med definitely sucks but meds seem to prefer it this way

[high current]

At least in IM I usually find myself waiting on my team to do anything as solider. Even as flank scout in Main I typically had to slow down to let my combo get in on time.
As long as you have moderate gamesense you can keep up as shotgun soldier in mid-low divs.

Even at high divs there are a few examples of people who will whip out shotgun soldier depending on maps or counter strats. But at that level your team is playing around the fact that as a team you’re playing slower and for more control than you would with double gunboat soldiers.

[left sand]

it was to nerf quickfix

so quickfix could be used in comp

[drowsy marlin]

ugh quickfix

i dunno I'm torn between quickfix being able to mirror blast jumps, and how it originally mirrored scout speed

on one hand I hate it, on the other I think it is interesting

[small siren]

*on one hand I hate

it, on the other I think

it is interesting*

- fraklin

[drowsy marlin]

the thing is, quickfix uber is so dogshit

so many things in the game can stop it

idk my life is a skill issue

[high current]

Plot twist: quick fix is still banned!

[drowsy marlin]

🤢

[high current]

Yeh for some reason mediguns is where 6s players are still as headed as they were in ESEA.

[jagged pawn]

yeah and they nerfed the wrong part of it because they had no idea what the actual problem was

faster heal rate rewards bitchmade gameplay because why fight the enemy head on when their chip damage does nothing

[high current]

People say that it’s because one team running quickfix forces the other to run it. But idk, seems like sticky traps, sniper, or kritz would also be pretty strong counters.

[drowsy marlin]

a sentry gun is also a really good option

or a heavy

[jagged pawn]

you two keep listing reasons that the quick fix sucks offensively, and yes, it's garbage for a push, that's part of the problem

it is an incredibly powerful defensive tool that you can't push out with. so people simply don't push out

it's the stalemate gun

[high current]

I haven’t really done the math on DPS vs HPS on the quick fix. It’s hit or miss in pubs, depending on whether the enemy team has their monitors turned on. And in comp it’s banned so 🤷‍♂️

[jagged pawn]

I think if, instead of a faster heal rate, it reached crit heals faster, that would create a much more interesting dynamic

[drowsy marlin]

ugh

crit heals

[high current]

Okay but if a team is committed to playing defensively they kinda just can. Most 6s maps if the defending team is competent and committed to not pushing out they can force a round reset.

[drowsy marlin]

I wish it wasn't such a hidden mechanic

[jagged pawn]

disagree. map dependent tho ig

[high current]

That’s why b4nny config has 3 minute round resets.
I think most 5 cp that holds true for. Engi + heavy + sometimes pyro can hard hold a lot of last points

Snakewater and sultry for sure. Gullywash likely. Metalworks and Sunshine I’d say more likely than not. Process I’d say has the weakest last hold, but I still think it’s pretty doable.

I think process also has the strongest last offense kritz though, so I think quick fix being allowed wouldn’t change the hold ability of last, just the strategy maybe.

[velvet raft]

i never got a gunboat :0

i didn't even knew they existed

are they tradable?

yes, the wiki says so

does someome have an extra gunboat?

[cursive peak]

Gunboats, more like Funboats.

[velvet raft]

😔

[radiant merlin]

Those "bro just don't queue for those maps if you dont like them" guys are now waiting 100000 hours for the only map they play on

[limpid panther]

me yesterday trying to play upward and badlands

[grim parcel]

play 12v12, much more dynamic and fun

[spring kestrel]

Sure!

[spring kestrel]

Snake water last my despised

[spring kestrel]

You need to do about 200 damage in a single burst to kill the medic

[high current]

More so mean dps as in like sustained damage over time, like heavy minigun or sentry fire. Opposed to like a sticky trap.

[spring kestrel]

I was referring to the assumption of coordinated spam at a choke but yeah

[high current]

Oh yeh. I personally wouldn’t be opposed to quickfix being unbanned. But maybe there’d be some alternative meta evolved like quickfix + pyro last pushes or quickfix + quickie bomb (quick meta?) combo.

[spring kestrel]

why quickies?

Ohhh for traps

[high current]

Quickies clear enemy stickies

[spring kestrel]

Yeah that'd be interesting

I'd love to see how unbanning it would affect the meta

[high current]

I also think there should be something to dissuade playing for round resets in the 6s config.
An idea I had recently was if a round resets, instead of resetting to mid, it resets to the defense’s second point and the corresponding spawns. That way it’s not a free total round reset, but it’s still a kind of situation reset.
Then I guess round resetting on last again would just give the enemy team a point. So in a way it’s like a round reset counts for half a point for offense, but with an opportunity to come back for the defense.

That would help with the fear that quickfix would make defenses stronger.

[spring kestrel]

What's the argument for it being stronger on defense?

[high current]

I guess since the burden of sacking isn’t on the defense team, the only thing they have to worry about is chip damage and exchanges. Which quickfix’s faster heal rate and Uber build rate would be better at. And it’s non-full-invincible Uber is less of a concern when you aren’t the ones pushing into traps and sentries and snipers.

[spring kestrel]

Hm

Interesting

[high current]

I’d just take an offensive kritz into that though imo. But maybe it’s more of an issue at higher levels where mind games can be deeper

[spring kestrel]

Kritz my beloved

[jagged pawn]

it's not banned?

oh you meant the quick fix mb thought you meant quickiebombs

[velvet raft]

i don't have anything to give you in return tho ):

[spring kestrel]

I have a billion spare weapons it's fine

[spring kestrel]

Nah quickies are banned

[jagged pawn]

are you european

[high current]

Not in RGL

[spring kestrel]

No I'm joking

[jagged pawn]

ah

bc they're banned in europe lol

europeans hate fun

[spring kestrel]

Wat

[high current]

They’re very not fun tbh

[spring kestrel]

What's with the Europe bans

[jagged pawn]

the wrap assassin is also banned in europe they're genuinely stupid

[spring kestrel]

Isn't the back scatter banned

[high current]

Not OP. But definitely not fun

[jagged pawn]

no

etf2l 6s whitelist https://whitelist.tf/etf2l_6v6_autumn2024

market gardener deemed too fun, forced to leave competitive meta

[velvet raft]

what other extras do you have? i don't think i have all of Demoman shields

[spring kestrel]

Ahnyes

[grim parcel]

common european L

NA on top

[spring kestrel]

The gardener is banned

[grim parcel]

🇺🇸

[high current]

Wrap assassin being banned is hilarious

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerdge-gif-23738139

[grim parcel]

🦅

[spring kestrel]

I have every weapon it's okay!

GAS PASSER BAN

[velvet raft]

why do you yell at me

[jagged pawn]

I usually find the people online who blame all of tf2's problems on comp to be strange, but if they're european I honestly kinda get it, etf2l is every stereotype of comp

[grim parcel]

no way

why are comp players so boring

[high current]

Gas passer has been historically banned because it can clip through walls. RGL only unbanned it on the basis of still being dog shit even if exploited

[jagged pawn]

^

[velvet raft]

why would they blame comp? am i missing something?

[spring kestrel]

That's so goofy

[jagged pawn]

it's literally so bad that the exploit doesn't matter

[grim parcel]

this is why owl was more successful than any tf2 league

[jagged pawn]

I mean

that's debatable

[grim parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/zzzzzzz-gif-20630483

[spring kestrel]

Meat your match made changes hoping to cater to the 6v6 scene and as a result mildly screwed over a lot of casual goofy stuff

[high current]

You’re not missing anything. People who blame comp for anything are huffing spray paint

[spring kestrel]

But that's kinda stupid for a lot of reasons

[high current]

Most meet your match changes were buffs, contrary to popular beliefs.

[grim parcel]

i think the only thing that suffered from mym was the bison

and idk like the sandman sucks now

[high current]

I’m convinced Valve just repeatedly nerfs bison as a meme

[grim parcel]

but even though it was funny, it was really annoying to play against

so it's hard to be mad

if that's catering to 6s they should keep doing it

[spring kestrel]

🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[high current]

I think the sandman change was good, but the sandman cleaver combo should have stayed

[spring kestrel]

On repeat occasions I got yelled at by people on harvest for doing it in present day

I was farming kills for my strange sandman and people started going "CLEVER SANDMAN ISN'T A THING ANYMORE GO AWAY"

[high current]

People pretty much solely blame the comp community for “shit balance” because of the ambassador. Which wasn’t even the comp community, it was solely Sigafoo who requested the change.

[spring kestrel]

I wish the bison was good. It would be fun...

[high current]

The comp community very vocally contested the change when the posted the article about the upcoming changes they intended to release, looking for feedback. Then Valve proceeded to not change a single proposed stat

[jagged pawn]

the weapon people blame comp for the most in my experience is the base jumper, which I don't get at all because they literally just fixed an exploit? casual players can use it the exact same way they used to?

[high current]

Eh. Projectiles that go through multiple people are hard to make not BS.

[spring kestrel]

God bless

[spring kestrel]

I want to know who was genuinely using the base jumper before the change

[jagged pawn]

no one

people just wanted to be mad

[spring kestrel]

Like I want to know what the user demographics on that was

[slender nexus]

when I was 12 I really wanted a mod that made the scout use a sonic the hedgehog model

[high current]

People complaining about base jumper change are literally insane. There’s a phat 0% chance any of them made use of the old OP mechanics of it and even if they did, the current implementation feels more intuitive. Yeh, it’s worse, but it’s literally just a crutch that makes you a sitting duck, so yeh…

[kind falcon]

shoulda used the pony models

[slender nexus]

I did find one but it was just sonic in red/blu clothes and not the sonic colors alternate red and blue sonics

I almost learned how to use blender and rip the models from sonic colors to do this to satisfy my sonic autism

[spring kestrel]

The mlp mods are wild ngl

[slender nexus]

i love mlp

[grim parcel]

im thankful
it was the ultimate distraction for the diamondback

[small siren]

*im thankful it was

the ultimate distraction

for the diamondback*

- g3tchoo

[spring kestrel]

I've come across some shockingly well made mods and it's like... You're putting this much effort into this?

[grim parcel]

diamondback has been on top for years

[kind falcon]

i played with mlp mods when i was 10. get better

[grim parcel]

the playerbase just wasn't ready

[spring kestrel]

I doubt I knew what tf2 was at age 10

[high current]

Diamond back is interesting. It’s kinda like vaccinator where it seems like the community just agrees that it’s so bullshit OP that few people ever run it in casual.
Or maybe it’s because spy mains want to get the flashy 50 damage ambassador headshots still 🤷‍♂️

[spring kestrel]

I see most spies running the letrenger

[high current]

That’s the best option tbh

[grim parcel]

i go diamondback

just because i’m bad

vacc i don’t use though

unless i’m specifically trolling

[wild grove]

Nothing wrong with putting your best into something that may not reward you for doing so.

[uncut spear]

https://gamebanana.com/tools/18215

yo?

[wild grove]

oh wow they automated the process.

[uncut spear]

it would finally give me an opportunity to make most of my mods work 😭

[glass musk]

finally

[broken haven]

https://vxtwitter.com/TestHedge/status/1845897715621740923

[tough locust]

TF2 if the source engine didn't SUCK

still would love to see someone make a full-fat battle Royale mode or battlefield-like mode in 100 player

[slender nexus]

Knowing csgo danger zone id expect the engine to have a stroke doing that

[tough locust]

exactly I want to see the physical extent of what you can do with source's anaemic entity limits and tiny map size restriction

[high current]

You could maybe use the old source code leak to do modifications similar to what apex legends did to make large scale maps work (if you squint).

Or you could say fuckit and not let laptop users play your map

[tough locust]

You could shrink everything smaller lol

or just make secret teleporters like they do in big gmod maps (excess construct)

[velvet raft]

no

[velvet raft]

https://youtu.be/NPsxeRELlNY

[radiant merlin]

i have an idea: replace miss pauling voice lines with merasmus

[rare creek]

black box is overrated i consider it an f tier weapon

[tough locust]

having one less shot in the clip is actually a criminal downside it's nearly unusable imo

[rare creek]

yup

[high current]

It’s not good for bombing. But if all you’re doing is holding a choke it can be good. A lot of HL soldiers would run it holding tunnel on upward 2nd

[rare creek]

it does like literally no healing for such a huge huge downside

[high current]

When your only threat is a scout or engi shooting you for 30 damage, healing 15 is pretty good

[glass musk]

I disagree

black box helps me survive in many situations where I would otherwise die

[glass musk]

wrong

prefiring does wonders

literally prefire everything

[rare creek]

ah yes prefire with the weapon with the samllest clip in the game what could go wrong/...

[high current]

You can still prefire with the black box. You arguably do it more since you need to be proactive about getting early denies on chokes since if someone busts through you don’t have the ammo to go toe to toe.

[jagged pawn]

black box is the ideal weapon for the casual playstyle (never rocket jump because I'm bad)

[high current]

Idk if I’d say black box is. The existence of 12 enemies means you can pretty easily get overwhelmed by a handful of them having the same path finding and you only have 2-3 rockets to try and deal with them.

I do think banners are pretty underrated in casual though. Especially on a lot of payload maps, there isn’t a ton of rocket jumping you can really do and with how many chokes there typically is, banners are basically free team Ubers.

Conch especially charges stupidly quick and its effect is like “whoa I’m running fast, time to hold W”. It’s a pub push on demand.

Or battalions is like your lemmings are going to walk into that sniper or sentry sight line anyway. You pop that banner and walk behind them and they don’t realize the only reason they aren’t dying is because of you, but they aren’t dying.

[jagged pawn]

lmao I love the framing of your teammates being pikmin that you have to keep away from water

[rare creek]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-low-tier-god-ltg-mods-crush-his-skull-carry-that-guy-back-to-the-onion-gif-9544187413703686913

[high current]

I think of them more like roombas on a second story. They just kinda bounce back and forth aimlessly and help a bit, but sometimes try to throw themselves down a flight of stairs.

[orchid sorrel]

you can cap points with the ghost canteen in freaky fair

[glass musk]

I usually top score so there's that

I'd say 80% of the time

[wild grove]

freaky fair be like "if everything's overpowered, hahahah, nothing will be"

https://tenor.com/view/and-when-everyones-super-no-one-will-be-syndrome-incredibles-gif-16929680360868417134

[high current]

Freaky fair sounds like what p diddy called his parties.

If he hosted a renaissance fair

[rare creek]

ive been queued for carnival of carnidge for like 30 minutes

my ping limit is 80

game is so fucking dead wtf

[glass musk]

US? @rare creek

[rare creek]

yeah

[glass musk]

yup

US queues are fucking horrible

[high current]

Carnival of carnage was the first map I got after queuing for all Halloween maps yesterday😎

[tough locust]

it's never been more joever

[orchid sorrel]

the game is showing mercy on you

[wild grove]

Queue for multiple maps, stay in the server once contract is completed, do not leave under any circumstance til casual matchmaking gives you a match

That is what I did with my friend group yesterday, had to queue for multiple maps, once we got in a server, we stayed til the queue gave us a match.

[jagged pawn]

carnival of carnage is still the best halloween map btw

[high current]

Helltower would like to know your location

[wild grove]

Going to Toxic was funny since when my party joined, there was toxicity in the chat no joke.

like some people were getting mad over being killed while friendly.

[small siren]

*like some people were

getting mad over being

killed while friendly.*

- woshee

[tough locust]

how can you say something so controversial yet so brave

[jagged pawn]

is this controversial

I feel like it's obvious

[tough locust]

Actual answer is mouldergrove with the pvp arena

[next nymph]

the best halloween map is the one from when I first started getting really into tf2

[tough locust]

people have turned on carnival of carnage in the past handful of years

[jagged pawn]

moldergrove is really good but it's the very common case of "every time I play this I realize I would rather just play the year round version", something that I never think while playing carnival of carnage

[tough locust]

i disagree bc ghost fort is mid and that was the first Halloween map I remember coming out

[tough locust]

i just feel like the controls on the bumper cars are too awful nowadays I get that's the gimmick bc they're bumper cars but they're so janky

[jagged pawn]

yeah idk that's part of the appeal

[high current]

They could feel fun goofy. But they don’t feel fast enough to be fun goofy. They just feel like they were fun goofy, then they ran out of battery

[orchid sorrel]

i have been a carnival of carnage hater since day 1

shit map spells are annoying and the bumper car minigames take too long to finish

but the main map ends so fast so you just spend most of the time playing bumper cars

the only upside is theres no boss truce

[formal dew]

10 years of hating

[next nymph]

no way carnival of carnage is that old, tf2 is only barely 10 years old

[orchid sorrel]

I wonder if theres an archive of when the update went live on old FP

[formal dew]

good times

[tough locust]

there's an archive of my brain playing it so thats close enough, "just had to be there man" like some hippie at woodstock

[midnight cape]

that's a doomsday problem, though. the map either lasts 2 minutes or 20 minutes, nothing in between

[kind falcon]

if you cant enjoy playing the videogame, why play

[midnight cape]

it's really just map knowledge. if both teams fight for the high ground and take control of it, the map lasts forever

[orchid sorrel]

Yeah so now you have a bad map with annoying spells and bumper cars

[small siren]

*Yeah so now you have

a bad map with annoying

spells and bumper cars*

- drcactus

[high current]

I think Halloween spells are fun honestly.

[orchid sorrel]

Kinda wild there hasn’t been any hotfix patch in the last 7 days

[tough locust]

especially considering that Dynamite just straight up doesn't work half the time

[wispy meteor]

I have a question if this setting disables avatars in the scoreboard or only if it targets another player target id

[rare creek]

it only affects target id

[potent wolf]

[rare creek]

how the hell did i get the steam ui

[potent wolf]

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=230932

[left sand]

i love seeing 6 different messages showing the game updated lol

[potent wolf]

steamdb, patchbot, teamwork bot, me, the bot in #devs🫅

we need more

[rare creek]

what is no access

[potent wolf]

idk

[next nymph]

tf2 update

[potent wolf]

you should've posted the steamcommunity link....

[next nymph]

i dont want to steal it from others

[tough locust]

WHY WONT THEY NEEF THE ZOMBIES IN ZOMBIE INFECTION THEY WIN EVERY ROUNDDDDD

when the mode was in beta back in April 2023 it was balanced just fine WHAT HAPPENED

[rare creek]

maybe you just suck?

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/865022800213442591/1296970202721816637/image.png?ex=67143920&is=6712e7a0&hm=04193dfb1007dc3ed87ac8bcd726ee55ad7690f1bc05d1aecd285eacd7a9f92b&

They accidentally buffed jar slow in freaky fair

Because the attribute is inverted

So now the slow is 10% stronger

[tough locust]

this isn't a git gud thing, play any round of zombie infection, wait for the end of the round, and look at the scoreboard. it's 20-0 zombies-humans every time. used to be pretty even back in the day but that's bc the zombies were super weak. seems like every update just buffs them more

[rare creek]

shit

[left sand]

i mean, the mode is called zombie infection, what did you expect?

[summer steeple]

yippee

[tough locust]

people are actually playing dynamite rn, gamemode is super fun when there's actually people playing

[wild grove]

YES, FUCKING FINALLY

It was so annoying to deal with

[rare creek]

they should just remove intro videos

[potent wolf]

intro videos are cool

[heavy solar]

@potent wolf has earned the UNREAL role!

[wild grove]

UNREAL replay

top 10 UNREAL replays

[potent wolf]

https://x.com/DidTF2GetUpdate/status/1847409421540085934

Did TF2 Get Updated? (@DidTF2GetUpdate) on X

There are now Valve servers for TF2 in: Buenos Aires, Argentina; London, UK; Warsaw, Poland; and Vienna, Austria

Twitter · Oct 18, 2024, 10:48 PM

how did they get this server list?

[left sand]

the master server list

[potent wolf]

oh right

[rare creek]

i heardtheyalsoadded seattle serverd

[slender nexus]

peeattle pawshington

[rare creek]

what do you mean by "pee"

[orchid sorrel]

chef pee pee

[rare creek]

@slender nexus

[orchid sorrel]

theres another infinite money exploit in freaky fair

and its even easier than the last one

[slender nexus]

jarate

[rare creek]

ok so how do i do it

[next nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/pussy-cat-cute-kitty-kitten-cat-gif-16800925

[summer steeple]

@next nymph hi can you please merge my PR to update the reference hud in tf2-hud-reference with the last year of changes :)

[next nymph]

i'll do it tomorrow

[summer steeple]

ok thank you

[radiant merlin]

there are more servers

[floral sandal]

why would valve invest in more servers

[radiant merlin]

new servers in argentina, it surely means the javier update

[floral sandal]

what does javier mean /srs

[next nymph]

xavier but spanish

[radiant merlin]

Next country should be colombia

Pretty the north of southameirca has like 100 ping

[formal dew]

hopefully they update the matchmaking ui to reflect new servers

[rare creek]

If queue times werent already long enough...

wtf are they doing?!?!??!

[kind falcon]

i havent been able to play since the update dropped

waited more than 2 hours in queues

[wild grove]

Wierd, my queue was super fast.

With the group of 3.

Tbf tho this was before 1 am.

Also selecting multiple maps instead of one.

[rare creek]

they shpuld really just get rid of all matchmaking servers and then put one in michigan directly over my house

[orchid sorrel]

Yeah my solo queue has been pretty fast now

It was abysmal the past week

[orchid sorrel]

I stand corrected

[potent wolf]

what

[wild grove]

Seen this before.

[high current]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[tough locust]

when that toggle mat_aaquality 0 1 hits

[tough locust]

Is anyone able to play spineyard? our entire party of 5 crashed while we joined the map

[high current]

just use toggle mat_aaquality the 1 and 0 are unnecessary 😡

[uncut spear]

just use ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ the ⠀ and ⠀ are unnecessary 😡

[drowsy marlin]

mat_antiaircraftquality

[wild grove]

I was able to.

With that same party amount

No issues whatsoever.

[rare creek]

Valve got rid of their virginia servers???

[wild grove]

nope

[rare creek]

they did they got rid of virginia servers

[wild grove]

if they did good riddance, those servers were always unstable as hell.

[rare creek]

?????

[slender nexus]

west Virginia

mountain marmot (idk the lyrics lmao)

country roads

go home 🖕

[rare creek]

sorry

[slender nexus]

no you're good

i was telling Virginia to fuck off

[rare creek]

what

[slender nexus]

bye Virginia tf2 servers

[drowsy marlin]

I loved vagina servers

[hoary geyser]

they seemed fine to me

and I'll probably get like 80 ping now so that's not great

nah they're still there

[high current]

I got 5 ping to Virginia servers from out of state, sounds like a skill issue

[high current]

It’s mountain mama, how do you know the word “marmot” exists but the word “mama” doesn’t? Do you use kilometers or something?

[slender nexus]

😭

[hoary geyser]

no I meant on non-virginia servers

because they said they were closing them

[high current]

I more so meant to everyone that was saying that Virginia servers sucked

[hoary geyser]

Yeah, I don't know what they're talking about, they're normally quite good for me

[high current]

Yeh their server quality seems on par with any. And their routing is stupidly good because the servers are just outside of Washington DC and the national capital has crazy good routing because national security or something

[orchid sorrel]

yeah i havent noticed any virginia server problems

[rare creek]

@orchid sorrel why are you in my fucking match

:(

okr thabn ks for leavign

[orchid sorrel]

i meant to click mann manor but maple ridge was right below it

[rare creek]

are you doing contacts

[orchid sorrel]

no i just like manor

[rare creek]

can we play contracts togethert

[radiant merlin]

Not playing tf2 rn, im engaged with totk

[radiant merlin]

I just wanted to make this mod

[rare creek]

I dont understand, what's the mod?

[orchid sorrel]

replaces ms pauling with merasmus

[rare creek]

Oh okay

sounds sweet, tf2's voice files are sv_pure whitelisted in casual so the mod would even work in casual

[tough locust]

when i lie me when i lie

[orchid sorrel]

where did all the virginia servers go

me with a vaguely server shaped neck

um idunno

[rare creek]

I thought they did because they dont show up on the matchmaking settings menu anymore but ig not

[radiant merlin]

That thing doesnt even work

[radiant merlin]

Here it is, if you want it
https://gamebanana.com/sounds/76584

[summer steeple]

@rare creek how did you even find this commit lol #dev-log📻 message
its from 2 years ago and we use r_fastzreject 1 now

[uncut spear]

now the preloader person is recommending the quickprecache mod 😭

[small siren]

*now the preloader

person is recommending

the quickprecache mod 😭*

- aless109

[uncut spear]

thanks haiku bot for including the emote

[crisp cedar]

https://fxtwitter.com/betermemes/status/1847850229132894632

[limpid panther]

I thought the spread would ruin it completely

guess not

[tough locust]

it's true i've been using quickprecache since it came out it's better by all accounts

[uncut spear]

thought it would be a bad rep thing for it but I might try it out

def is annoying the loading times of the normal preloader

[tough locust]

i actually had to enable modern casual preloader to test the last update and it was making me rage how long the game took to load lol

[jagged pawn]

extremely interesting premise for a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-olvOpwaSHY

[uncut spear]

https://medal.tv/games/tf2/clips/iVgNJBFKU6L8fVTuO?invite=cr-MSxPWHksMjAyODY3MDA1LA

[rare creek]

was tryimh to find a specific cvar

[rare creek]

never found it btw 😎

[rare creek]

@wild marsh isthis real?

[wild marsh]

unequivocally

[wild marsh]

hey chat check out my panel

[rare creek]

WHO IS THAT!!!!

[wild marsh]

i hate him

[rare creek]

what is this echnology

[wild marsh]

i've decided to be evil and secretive right just now, but here is a hint

these things are fucking BROKEN

its the item carousel on the main menu that they manually update every time they add items, so i have full keyvalue access for fun

[rare creek]

are you going to modify the contracter menued too Ive never seen a hhud do that before but I know it possibel

[wild marsh]

its possible but all of the hud animations are stupid and i hate them

i did make it faster and remove the static though

also hold on i gotta do something

you hate me cuz you aint me

[orchid sorrel]

https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/0o0.gif

[tough locust]

the way that the contracker is cobbled together is so shocking it almost gave me an ulcer

[wild marsh]

im a big fan of the loadout preset buttons

[heavy solar]

@wild marsh has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

[wild marsh]

not a fan of this thing ^

[high current]

Yeh I don’t really see the point of it, the only thing it does is sometimes burry a message

99% of the time it’s existence is inconsequential, and 1% of the time its existence is disruptive.

[high current]

I had plot armor in this fight with the pyro.

[rare creek]

why is host_timer_spin_ms dedicated only?

[eternal haven]

On the client they decided it's better to have you effectively use 2.25 ms for it instead of being allowed to set it to whatever you want

I guess they deemed that to be the correct compromise between performance / wasted cpu time and precision of frame timing for fps_max

[rare creek]

is this true

[spare obsidian]

https://tryitands.ee/

[rare creek]

I dont know how to tell whether the internal particle system of the game im playing is threaded or not

[potent wolf]

reverse engineer it and find out

[rare creek]

@everyone how to i revert engineer tf2?

[potent wolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3HWhynAVQ ez

[rare creek]

the audacity to sell reverse engineering tools for a price... people will just reverse engineer the tools to distribute them for free!

[potent wolf]

adobe business model

[rare creek]

they sell it to schools to get people dependent on the products?

[potent wolf]

piracy to get people dependent on them

[tough locust]

the effects are slightly different you can see it on wood and metal iirc

[summer steeple]

i'm about 99% sure this isn't true

just looking at the code, the "new" effects system appears to just be a more flexible system, which iirc wasn't even finished for tf2

additionally i've seen a couple reports that it reduces fps, not increases it lol

[rare creek]

is valve stupid?

[tough locust]

definitely does not increase fps

[summer steeple]

there doesn't seem to be any threading differences, hell the regular impact effects function calls the new impact effects function

and here's that function btw

it just spawns a particle effect

[rare creek]

i dont know what any of these runes means

[summer steeple]

maybe the CNewParticleEffect class has some changes to how particles are set up but over all its not like

finished

[spare obsidian]

the old behavior uses 2006 hardcode particle system

which is kinda funny it still lives on the engine

[summer steeple]

yeah like its not a good system lol

but it is a finished one

that supports all of the particle effects

[spare obsidian]

valve did wanted to passed out that system

they just didn't finish it on time

which is ironic since the source particle benchmark all of those particles...

are kinda there? lol

[rare creek]

wow... valve is fucking stupid

[summer steeple]

i mean iirc the biggest bottleneck is particle systems, not the particles themselves, and I don't think this changes that

[spare obsidian]

now imagine if they wanted to go full bobulator

like they wanted to do in that benchmark build of source

[rare creek]

how come decals is so low on medium high?

they disappear immediately

[orchid sorrel]

every freaky fair match has either

• an exploiter
• a broken shop
• a server crash

[rare creek]

@left sand is general decals being set to low intended for the medium high preset?

why does decals=ultra set the decal limit to 512 when tf2's default is 2048 x.x

[sterile ferry]

does the deselecting cpu core 0 trick work for other games or only tf2

[rare creek]

it does not work

period

[spare obsidian]

can you not

[rare creek]

not tell the truth or what stupid

the cpu scheduler is smart enough to not assign such an intensive task to an already occupied core

maybe in fucking 2007 that shitty trick worked but on modern operating systems it's entirely useless and stupid

not to mention that intel cpus now have performance and efficiency cores

[sterile ferry]

does i3 8th gen count as now

[rare creek]

that's newer than any intel cpu ive ever used so yes

[sterile ferry]

i think they shoulsve put mkre work into this cpu..

[rare creek]

they should manufacture their cpus at tsmc

[sterile ferry]

at what

[rare creek]

tsmc