Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[summer steeple]

stupid?

[crisp cedar]

the easiest way to optimally pla the game

and off-meta is harder but if you know how to play, you can excel even with off-meta things

[summer steeple]

i think really the annoying thing is just people completely disregarding off-meta things

and just completely sticking to metas

like if you're mad because some other player isn't using meta stuff

just shut up

you don't know as much as you think you do

and probably are bad and cringe and don't shower

[wispy shale]

i don't see many people complaining about off-meta stuff in tf2

[summer steeple]

not really complain, at least in tf2

[wispy shale]

it feels like most newer games have way more people wanting you to play the meta

[summer steeple]

but disregard, absolutely

how often do you see shit like the liberty launcher

or like, the shortstop

[wispy shale]

you don't see the liberty launcher often, not because it's off-meta but because its fucking boring

[summer steeple]

more what i mean is just that in tf2 there's "meta items", "joke items" and then "items that no one uses"

[wispy shale]

the beggar's bazooka is off-meta and i see people using that very often, because even if the stock or direct hit is more useful, the beggar's is just really fun

[kind falcon]

meta is defined by players

[summer steeple]

yeah and players are stupid

[kind falcon]

#godbless

#Wardendeadlock

[summer steeple]

once a meta gets set, its pretty hard to unset it

[crisp cedar]

yeah

[kind falcon]

make gamebreaking changes

[summer steeple]

so players just adopt it without knowing why

its unfortunate that even though we haven't gotten a balance update for tf2 in like

20 thousand years

people still don't really branch out

[kind falcon]

wym

we got an upgrade to the uhhh

what was it

annihilator

[summer steeple]

ok tbh i forgot about that

but also i don't really count that either

[kind falcon]

troll post

[summer steeple]

since valve considered it a bug

[high current]

The only off meta weapons I take issue with are the vaccinator and the diamond back.
Even then most people kinda suck with them so it’s not too bad.

There are some off meta weapons that are fun as hell, like air strike. If you know how to chain together jumps you can do crazy stuff with the extra fire speed of the air strike.

Something about traveling across the entire map at Mach 7, just to land on some rando and hit them with a wet towel of a weapon is funny

[velvet raft]

i mean, isn't TF2 appeal the fact that each character is so different there's a chance of every single class being used? (not counting Spy's current state ofc)

[next nymph]

rock paper scissors (but you have a gun and you shoot people)

[high current]

Doesn’t rock paper scissors technically have a meta? I think people statistically select scissors more because of recency bias, then go to the opposite of what they just played.

Also apparently pro rock paper scissors players just know how what muscles in your forearm trigger for each action, so they just watch your forearm and react to that.

(I watched a documentary on professional rock paper scissors at some point)

[next nymph]

the gun makes it different ok

[high current]

As an American I can confirm that is true

https://tenor.com/view/granger-smith-earl-dibbles-america-gif-13831121

[spring kestrel]

LIBERTY LAUNCHER SWEEP

I have a strange killstreak liberty launcher

[tough locust]

if ur just reacting to their throw that's kinda cheating, real rock paper scissors is just a mind game the only meta is knowing ur opponent

[velvet raft]

https://jojowiki.com/Boy_II_Man

[rare creek]

what does this mean #dev-log📻 message

[orchid sorrel]

they added poop

[hoary geyser]

casual is shutting down

[tough locust]

team fartress poo is real

[summer willow]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/524713 hmmm

[left sand]

im not using it because of that banner

[summer willow]

but its cool

[rare creek]

why dont you like skeletons

[summer willow]

i was looking to rewrite in sane language (python)

[rare creek]

python is not sane

[summer willow]

but it uses studiomdl, which don't have a linux binary and i noticed just now they killed every binary tool (vpk that didnt work properly anyway)

[summer willow]

thats the joke

so i was thinking how much trouble i can have by packaging the executable with the app?

without taking accounting the others dll may require, hopefully nothing

[rare creek]

yes

just use pyinstaller to compile it to an exe then u dont gotta worry bout it anymore

[summer willow]

no i mean, package the studiomdl.exe with the app

or nekomdl

[high current]

it's an interesting concept, I've been keeping my eye on it to see if someone would write it in something sane and upload it to github

[paper sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/cigarettes-500-cigarettes-17-pregnant-hyenas-gif-9916128438575711041

[zealous pond]

https://tenor.com/view/dancingbaby-gif-22415743

[high current]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUzPGWJ2mFI
Apparently the #savetf2 signatures got delivered...
I guess it took so long because they printed it into a hardcover book. TBH I feel like a stack of papers you have to worry about keeping straight and/or dropping and needing to clean up would have been more effective.

[wild grove]

Neat momento but I doubt it'd do anything that wasn't already done.

[high current]

At best it’s going on a shelf in robin walker’s or Eric smith’s office

[tough locust]

this is fire it started working without crashing a few months ago I endorse this

it's inefficient if u don't use the auto script tho that scans the mods folder

[spring kestrel]

We have the source code for studiomdl and I know momentum mod has a Linux binary for it

[summer willow]

where can i find?

[eternal haven]

April 22nd 2020, random leaked shit.rar

[spring kestrel]

I got it from here

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/source-sdk-2013/issues/340

[potent wolf]

vpk worked, you just had to properly set LD_LIBRARY_PATH

[small siren]

*vpk worked, you

just had to properly set

LD_LIBRARY_PATH*

- replay

[potent wolf]

not like you should ever use it though

[potent wolf]

or https://github.com/mastercomfig/tf2-patches/tree/base, if you're feeling lazy

[potent wolf]

my fork is 10000% better though

[summer willow]

it didnt extract properly but works to compile

[potent wolf]

last time i used it, it worked 🤷‍♀️

but yeah don't use it, it sucks

if you want to extract stuff, https://github.com/ValveResourceFormat/ValveResourceFormat has a CLI that works on linux

[potent wolf]

https://x.com/Thewhat89/status/1832533634068213999

Thewhat (@Thewhat89) on X

340,000+ names all compiled into 1 book. This is a symbol of the astounding amount of people that love TF2 and want to see it flourish.

This book has now reached its destination at Valve HQ. The future is looking bright for TF2. Thanks for taking part, everyone ❤️

#FixTF2

Twitter · Sep 7, 2024, 9:37 PM

[formal dew]

sorted by first name

[wild grove]

Def not beating the allegations (that dont exist) with "donald trump"

can't wait for Eric to go thru, get to H, and find out Hitler's corpse signed the petition.

[next nymph]

occam's razor: donald trump signed it

[wild grove]

"My favorite class is soldier, cause he is american and I am american and since america is the best, he is"

https://tenor.com/view/trump-gif-18517945

[spare obsidian]

do you think valve would literally ignore the fact people send them a book?

[crisp cedar]

yes

[drowsy marlin]

absolutely

[potent wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yeah-oh-ya-of-course-definitely-gif-5363111

[summer steeple]

valve employees might not, but is there a chance that it wouldn't cause literally anything to get done? absolutely

tf2 is like

bottom of their priority list lol

no matter what

tbh valve probably will put the book with all the rest of their fanart and community stuff

iirc they have like a little place for it

[cursive peak]

I'd be tempted to put it on the Pyroland floor.

[formal dew]

tf2 is feature complete

[drowsy marlin]

I want the next two years of TF2 to be purely bug fixes

[small siren]

*I want the next two

years of TF2 to be

purely bug fixes*

- fraklin

[drowsy marlin]

and maybe rebalancing some idiotic weapons

[slender nexus]

or they'll get one (1) more contractor to work alongside joshie

I expect a reaction from valve about this delivery, but not much

[tough locust]

i don't expect anything since they already fixed the bots more or oess

[wild grove]

they'll react with wholesome 100 big chungus keanu reeves but it won't do anything to the game that wasn't already done.

[high current]

My question is why did it take so long to deliver?
I could understand if they were printing the pages themselves. But getting a professional printing service to do it would take like 2 weeks, maybe a month tops. And do you REALLY need 3+ people to carry a single book into valve HQ? Naw

Like school yearbooks take less time to actually produce and are logistically more complex and print more than 1 copy.

[summer steeple]

fun fact, the example pop file that valve included in the game for people who want to make their own mvm missions appears to have been mostly written before the mvm gamemode was finalized

large portions of it (while likely functional) use features that valve didn't use for any mvm missions, and don't really make sense to

or alternatively, match hardcoded references to much older PVE gamemodes they tested like raid mode

for example, these attributes, which i've marked here with an *

RemoveOnDeath and BecomeSpectatorOnDeath are obsolete, because mvm forces ALL bots to get moved to spectator on death (to prevent respawning until they're ready to spawn a new bot)

the Aggressive flag, while functional, only still does a few things in modern tf2, with most of its uses being only used for raid mode

[spring kestrel]

I hate to ask this but is there a means of running hammer on linux?

[summer steeple]

@unborn pecan had a guide on running hammer on linux iirc

[potent wolf]

https://tf2maps.net/threads/how-to-install-the-hammer-editor-on-linux.42473/

no idea if this still works, ymmv

[unborn pecan]

Hammer works on linux

Vanilla now

With hammer++

You just gotta do some fandangling with wineprefixes to keep things Clean

Also, you can replace gcfscape with vpkedit

and vtfedit with vtex2

linux natives

[potent wolf]

and vbsp, vvis, vrad with....

(my epic linux ports that may or may not still work if you use 32bit depots )

[summer steeple]

continuing on with this
for these behavior modifiers, the "Idler" option doesn't exist at all, not even in the leaked code. The only valid options are "Mobber" and "Push", both of which just set the aforementioned "Aggressive" flag

Another interesting leftover is this one, which just picks random spots throughout the map to place sentries. not engis, just sentries.

"Where" is used constantly in MVM, but only to target specific spawnpoint entities, instead of the other options of "Behind", "Ahead", and "Anywhere", all of which were presumably for raid mode

This squad definition is interesting because it perfectly lines up with hardcoded squad classes for raid mode

[tough locust]

does it do the engine animation or do they just spontaneously appear

engie

[summer steeple]

not sure, probably the latter

raid mode was sort of inverse MVM

more like L4D

so it probably would spawn them all before you left spawn and could see them

[spring kestrel]

thank you very much!

[spring kestrel]

oh damn!

[potent wolf]

thank hurricanepootis

[spring kestrel]

I was unaware of vtex2 thank you very much!

[potent wolf]

@raven grove

[summer steeple]

similarly, these mob spawn definitions also perfectly match their hardcoded brother for raid mode

[unborn pecan]

awesome

[spring kestrel]

damn all of this is so dope

Has there ever been an attempt at reverse engineering raid mode?

[summer steeple]

and lastly, the wave description goes completely unused, and the sound that this wave would try to play no longer exists :)

uhhh, maybe

i'm currently trying to make a similar gamemode

I probably should actually try to build the leaked code with it enabled

since it still seems mostly functional

[potent wolf]

Is it all ifdef-ed out or is it just not usable?

[summer steeple]

ifdef

[potent wolf]

rip

[summer steeple]

honestly I try to ignore the fact that the code exists now that I got general ideas from reading it, but I was curious about how regular pop files worked and noticed some ismilarities

valve's code is very all over the place as they experimented with this gamemode, before pivoting to others, and finally settling on MVM

hell some code within the raid mode ifdef is ifdef'd again with just #ifdef 1, so its clearly something they wanted to not use

honestly though I do get the feeling that raid mode in the form that they left it in when they pivoted to players being defenders is just kinda... bad?

tf2 doesn't have a lot of the things that L4D has to try and make it replayable

by the time they scrapped raid mode, they seemingly didn't have pop files up, so all bots were stock and hardcoded, there was no upgrades or money

and while there's references to them experimenting with stuff like L4D style rescue closets, from what I can tell the gamemode that they were at least trying to develop was more just standard PVP attack/defend but its 4 or 5 players vs 27 bots

with standard respawns and respawn times

maybe not respawns for the bots, but definitely for players

and while obviously you could draw parallels between MVM mode and PVP gamemodes in tf2, it still is very clearly its own thing

CTF with only one flag, upgrades, bots with crazy weapons, giant bots with crazy weapons AND fucked up amounts of health, tanks, sentry busters, etc.

raid mode essentially is just A/D

the most unique thing they did have was experimenting with extremely unique boss fights and those bosses having unique minions

when i say unique in this case I mean that neither of them were just a class with a weird weapon

altho sometimes they were

[formal dew]

raising the bar mvm edition w/ mike booth when

[spare obsidian]

i think this one was supposed to be use by tf_gamerules

the description was supposed to be used in the mvm scoreboard

[small siren]

*the description was

supposed to be used in the

mvm scoreboard*

- Brodspy

[summer steeple]

its possible

all i know is that there doesn't seem to be any code reference that actually USES the description

only a getter function that is unused

[spring kestrel]

Also before I forget @high current it was a good time playing hl against you like two days ago

[high current]

Yeh it was a fun game. Was neat to see I still had some demo ability in me. GGs

[potent wolf]

"bring back quickplay"

[spare obsidian]

i feel like almost all tf2 tubers share the same brain cell

[tough locust]

thank god they naver gave tf2 to the community or whatever

[mystic turtle]

classic clickfarm. move that gear up

the real way... is, well, to have fun!
We have no more bots, Mastercoms' quickplay is funneling players into community servers. This is much better than what we've had before
If the TF2 Classic fellas can make do with barely any weapons, we surely can

[wild grove]

It's either gonna be yes with the same reasons as other youtubers, it's gonna be maybe, or no.

[mystic turtle]

Get some friends, and try to... how do I put this... mindfully play the game?
Relish moments with friendlies, do crazy strats like uber chaining, and others.

For me, that'll be the hard part. Coordinating multiplayer sessions, especially when I barely have any time to work with anymore, is way more difficult than I wish it was.

But the dream is there :)

[velvet raft]

do you want to teach me how to play demo?

i can't even play Pyro sometimes

and ofc as a newbie i have most of my playtime spent playing Spy

i mean i stopped playing in like December 2023, i have like 180 hours?

184

i have more in Half-Life lol

i love Half-Life so much

[next nymph]

if you see an enemy, shoot stickies at them
if you dont see an enemy, shoot stickies at the nearest chokepoint
if you have no more stickies, steal ammopacks from the engineer

[velvet raft]

can you give an example of a chokepoint?

[velvet raft]

poor engineer 😭

i always steal his ammo packs as a scout

and he always stays still looking at me...

[next nymph]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hK6oVlt1qmA/maxresdefault.jpg a smaller area that people need to go through between open areas

[mystic turtle]

usually tunnels and hallways are good candidates

[cursive peak]

And doors.

[spring kestrel]

you did great lol

[tough locust]

speaking of which how long do u think until someone makes a GOOD tf2 custom weapons plugin in actual TF2 and not just tf2c

feel like it could be done with the MvM upgrade menu or something or vscript IDK who do i have to pay for it

[orchid sorrel]

Some people at potato are working on a custom weapon framework in vscript i think

[drowsy marlin]

Custom weapons is the last thing tf2 needs tbh

[zealous pond]

All it needs are more hats and maps.

[high current]

all it needs is cocaine and strippers

[rare creek]

fix valve competitive by removing casual and making competitive the main mode of the game

[spare obsidian]

all it needs is getting rid of the community

[drowsy marlin]

Let's just make team fortress 3

Which is just tf2 but the content is stripped down heavily

[mystic anchor]

i flare punch without shooting a flare

[wild grove]

It would be nice for server owners since it would likely reduce heavy load on servers. For casual, that would depend on execution.

[tough locust]

why not

[wild grove]

something something community can't balance for shit most likely blah blah blah

[spare obsidian]

this is literally true all the time

[drowsy marlin]

Just balance the ones we have already

[raw escarp]

8 seconds of bleed

[spare obsidian]

mention me one balance mod that is objectively good and isnt too side to x or y playstyle

and doesnt nerf or buff stock guns

[high current]

That’s cuz all the balance mods are shit rn. A balance mod isn’t inherently bad.

The current ones have too wide of a scope.
You could have a balance mod that applies the crit heals to the crossbow, lowers the wrangler damage resist, and scales scorch shot burn duration to splash damage dealt and it’d be the best balance mod hands down.

Frankly, if a balance mod tries to make all syringe guns viable and/or balance sniper it’s useless.
No one knows how to do either of those and some YouTuber with VSCode probably isn’t any different.

[tough locust]

this is annoying bc it's impossible to see the rebalances without studying them religiously and taking notes, it's easier to add weapons bc u don't have expectations for what they do

you can never tell what's rebalanced on a rebalance server without playing for like 6 hours on the same server

[wild grove]

Didn't think about it that way

[next nymph]

how to do that:

• nerf crossbow
• give every class headshots

there: syringe guns viable and balanced sniper

[radiant merlin]

next update will be dynamic shadow improvements

[left sand]

source?

[radiant merlin]

[potent wolf]

engine

[radiant merlin]

i was just saying because everyone was talking aboot things that will never happen

[spare obsidian]

hopium does wonders to people

[potent wolf]

Team Fortress 2 Megathread - source?

[high current]

engine

[high current]

genius

[drowsy marlin]

This is a bad take. Just rebalance the weapons we have.

Idk why we need to study them religiously. Valve thought it would be interesting to give the shortstop a shove. Anything is possible

[rare creek]

sorcse motor

[tough locust]

obviously it's better to rebalance the existing weapons but unless valve does it it'll just be confusing, custom weapons are fun to mess around with. I don't think any weapon will ever be rebalanced in TF2 ever again you can quote me on that

[next nymph]

obviously it's better to rebalance the existing weapons but unless valve does it it'll just be confusing, custom weapons are fun to mess around with. I don't think any weapon will ever be rebalanced in TF2 ever again

- pilso

[tough locust]

LOL

[zealous pond]

I don't think anyone would want that.

People hate sequels that strip down features.

[wild grove]

Didn't stop people from doing that tho LOL

[rare creek]

You don't get the joke

it's supposed to be like overwatch 2...,

[zealous pond]

Me when I'm too lazy to actually check the context of a conversation.

[burnt dragon]

I would be fine with a hd mode for old maps and disabling cosmetics option

also a bit better lighting would be cool, like how recompiled ones are

[jade scroll]

I gotta ask because it would be really fucking funny: is remaking this in tf2 as a mod possible? Maybe as part of a custom hud?

[summer steeple]

i think it could be possible as part of a hud

the game already has an animation it uses for the flickering red cross when you’re low on health

you can hijack that

idk if it allows sounds to be played though

[rare creek]

it does

[tough locust]

what's everyone's bets for the Halloween maps I still haven't seen that many this year

did holy hell get added last year?? can't even remember anymore

i wonder what Eric is gonna do once there's too many Halloween maps to fit in that same recycled contracker layout

[wild grove]

circus, maybe holyhell.

I think people are gonna be more focused on playing the maps from 2020 onward tho now that they can actually play em proper lol

[tough locust]

True I'm just gassed to play the existing Halloween maps again tbh PERKS IS SO GODDAMN FUN, it's tragic that it's only 1 month per year but id rather it feel special. still think they should do select Halloween maps on full moons tho, whoever suggested that is a genius

[velvet raft]

does anyone here like tf2

is a good game

[potent wolf]

yes, titanfall 2 is a good game

[grim parcel]

really one of my favorite movement shooters

[radiant merlin]

I like thunder force 2

[high current]

Tea Farmer 2 is my favorite game

[slender nexus]

tooth fixer 2

[drowsy marlin]

The Fuck 2

[mystic turtle]

TF2 was never real, the real TF2 was in our minds and hearts

[radiant merlin]

The final tf2 update is the friends we made during the waiting

[spring kestrel]

Perks?

[kind falcon]

percocets

[kind falcon]

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Perks

teams vote on perks they want and then they fight

tf2

[spring kestrel]

THAT SOUNDS AWESOME WHAT?

I'm disappointed I didn't play last Halloween

[kind falcon]

yeah

noob

[high current]

It's okay. I think the map I played it on was kinda mid. But the concept is pretty neat.

[loud egret]

TF2 recieving source 3 next week

[high current]

https://tenor.com/view/sorse-source-3kliksphillip-achieved-with-gif-23602555

[loud egret]

Trust me bro, my balls never lie

[tough locust]

the concept makes arena actually good, the stupid lumberyard ghosts do not make arena better

[wild grove]

I am having the biggest deja vu hearing this conversation holy shitttt

the one before pilso

[proper tangle]

Deja vu is just a memory leak, but for the brain

[loud egret]

memory leak huh, i experience leaks a lot throughout my day

[small siren]

*memory leak huh,

i experience leaks a

lot throughout my day*

- erza19

[loud egret]

bad thing about that is i run out of clean pants

[crisp cedar]

weird confession but alright

[rare creek]

whatthehell

[kind falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/806323394785837067/1187421359945560069/togif-6_1.gif

[rare creek]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/973646180410085487/1096771957938192434/2DC1263D-E2D7-4662-B6A4-4166445C2DAF.gif

[loud egret]

my face as i typed that fr

[loud egret]

no

[velvet raft]

@slender nexus cute gatito

[slender nexus]

😺

[broken haven]

im getting cheating accusations again on tf2c

[summer steeple]

tragic

[broken haven]

im like tilted, tired and angry and im not hitting shots but they call the hackusations...

[high current]

Some people huff glitter glue. It happens

[jagged pawn]

stop cheating then

[drowsy marlin]

Tf2c players are really bad at the game ngl

[loud egret]

source?

[kind falcon]

me, fraklin and verano

are the sources

[broken haven]

i got banned for the first time bc i was locked in on sniper

[loud egret]

I sense lies

[kind falcon]

quit lying to yourself first

then maybe youll be open to the world

[drowsy marlin]

I played tf2c and the players are really bad

Like what do you want me to cite? Some scholarly paper??

[loud egret]

😭 why you attack me

[loud egret]

😭 bro stop attack me read thread title issa jok

[drowsy marlin]

you attack first and now you cry when I attack back

typical

[loud egret]

uwainnn uwainnn

[loud egret]

u hurty me i no likey

[high current]

I’ve never played tf2c but I agree

[drowsy marlin]

exactly

you don't need to play it

[velvet raft]

why not

[drowsy marlin]

Because, you don't need to play it. If you want to go ahead

[high current]

I have no desire because my personal enjoyment in TF2 is discovering and mastering the intricacies in the use of TF2’s relatively simple mechanics.
I think a lot of rebalances and spinoff fan projects miss that aspect of the game design and make weapons with explicit complexity that dissuade non-explicit intricacy.

That’s just my personal take though. I understand the desire for complex mechanics, I just personally find them less fun.

[next nymph]

I think that's a good way to put it. Stuff like scout's scattergun or demo's stickies are such interesting weapons because of what roles they form for the class and what they're oriented towards with very simple but intuitive characteristics. They've been carefully designed for lots of emergent gameplay and emergent playstyles from such a simple base.

And then stuff like TF2C is like "Valve probably had very good reason to cut the nailgun and to not do proximity-triggered stickies. But fuck it, why not?"

I do think Valve will sometimes do the "this weapon is clearly designed to be used for this specific playstyle and nothing else" too, but I don't really see any fan balanced weapons be as "emergent" as a lot of the stock weapons are

[orchid sorrel]

you boot up TF2C instantly get hit by a tranq gun at spawn and realize why it never made it past the cutting room floor

[drowsy marlin]

Plus tf2c players have an obsession with tc_hydro. No thank you

I will say I do enjoy the restoration of the v_models and some fancier lighting

[wild grove]

the c_ models can look better just from VMT parameter editing alone, but yeah tf2c has the better weapon texturing/models.

[drowsy marlin]

The v_ minigun and medigun model wise are way better than c_

Woah italics

[radiant merlin]

what if the map vote was between rounds instead of at the end of the last round in casual?

i think it would be better in the case that the same map is chosen

[small siren]

*i think it would be

better in the case that the

same map is chosen*

- ashewiki_tf

[radiant merlin]

if the server didn't reload

[high current]

It could work. But I think defense team is usually busy between rounds, at least on payload.

IMO the whole map changing levels to the same map is an issue that a lot of people blow out of proportion.

I guess for users on hard drives or suuuuuper slow connections it could suck. But for most people it just restarts pregame, which 98% of the time is just 60 seconds of downtime.

[unborn pecan]

hey is tf2 goign to make f2p able to talk again

after removing the bots

[high current]

I kinda doubt it

But maybe 🤷‍♂️

[radiant merlin]

someone make another fixtf2

[high current]

I also saw a YouTuber do a poll of how many f2p people considered their ability to use chat when they made their first in game purchase. It was something like 50-60%.
So there is a world where Valve actually made more money off removing f2p communication than they lost from lost customers. Only Valve knows that exact data though.

I think if they just re-added voice commands to f2ps it’d be fine though. It’s harder to be excessively nefarious with in-game voice commands, and frankly in the grand scheme of gaming, having to pay $5 to use text chat or voice chat when 80% of it is just people complaining about random crits or cursed furry stuff, is far from the largest price to access the “full game.”

[rare creek]

i was f2p until the day after they added the chat restriction

[high current]

It’d also be kinda neat if they expanded upon or revamped the voice menu. I always thought the VGS system from tribes ascend was a good way of doing the voice menu, pressing V and number keys always came off as clunkier than V and some home-row keys.
That or a command wheel, though I think those are kinda overrated imo.

[summer steeple]

"Woo-Hoo"

[high current]

“Shazbot”

[summer steeple]

[VGS] Shazbot!

i only remember the "Woo-hoo" one because when i played paladins during its beta it just had a generic dude that sounded very funny saying it

he just like

said each syllable dead straight

[high current]

Flying around at Mach 7 in a server full of people yelling “Shazbot” was peak gaming.
I wonder if they have it in the recent Tribes 3.

[summer steeple]

iirc they do but also tribes 3 is like

sketchy iirc

[high current]

Oh is it? I played the closed beta but haven’t tried it since release.

[small siren]

*Oh is it? I played

the closed beta but haven’t

tried it since release.*

- peachestv

[high current]

I thought Tribes Ascend VGS was better than Paladins. At least after beta Paladins reworked their VGS for the worse imo.

[spare obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u99BiROX73A Save, who?

[broken haven]

save the girl thats reading this

[spare obsidian]

the what show thinking they save tf2 when they literally ghosted a bunch of people that sign up the peticions and send those way later when valve literally did something

also kinda funny the what criticizes valve for ghosting but they did that for iirc a whole 1 month and half even after valve did something

[loud egret]

[spring kestrel]

You ain't gotta be a hater

Coulda been handled better and the video sucks but like

Iunno I think the community movement was cool

[spare obsidian]

i'm not a hater im just being critical

the thing about the movement is well the whole thing was like "wait and see" instead of do something, the movement had good intention but those intentions where ehh when the delivering of the signatures where just mix, if they said they where making a book it would have been cool but it just went radio silence

anyway cool that the book is out, a bit late but cool

[high current]

I pushed for the movement pretty hard and tried to contribute to it.
And everything after the community making a bunch of noise fucking sucked.
The organizers pretty heavily dropped the ball and there’s not really a good reason why it took so long to have the book produced.

The protest would have been stronger without the promise of the physical delivery of the signatures. Just full stop if they were incapable of doing it in a relevant time frame they should have not promised it.

[spare obsidian]

they criticized valve for going radio silent but the organizers when radio silent for like 1 month and half

if they even bothered to said theyre making a book and it would take time it wouldn't be a issue

so yeah

1. the first #savetf2 failed because of people remenbering old days
2. this one failed because of cheer incompetence of the organizers

[next nymph]

i think it would've had more of an impact if the signatures were written in blood. Just a thought for next time

[radiant merlin]

Casual has 1 min of waiting for players. Plus the time for the map to reload, i think it's enough time for people to queue for a new server

It is more prevalent in degroot keep servers

[high current]

map reload time is like 30 seconds tops. Degroot keep is just not particularly popular so it probably gets multiple waiting for player rounds.

I just have beef with when youtubers complain about the pregame time taking to long and show footage of badwater, as if badwater servers are desolate.

[high current]

Pretty goofy clip I got from spectating some scrims tonight

[slender nexus]

[mystic anchor]

why is the blu soldier just named sweden lmao

[rare creek]

i dont have access to my pc for 4 days what does the new ui scaling test patch change?

[rare creek]

@high current

[high current]

Haven’t touched the beta yet

The newest patch or the original

[grim parcel]

new tf2 update? 👀

[wild grove]

new beta update for the scaling thing

[spring kestrel]

very stupid question, however in the map jump_adler attempting to use the demoman's shields results in no momentum being generated and an instant cancel

is this due to a quirk of the map or a console command

[wild grove]

I! Am Heavy Weapons Guy! *eyebrow raise*

[wild grove]

idk of this is a ui scale beta thing but using war paints/decorated causes the game to crash.

ok so class select just causes the game to freeze while the game can accept input and plays audio.

[velvet raft]

https://youtu.be/HOqhlm-Hl-0

@next nymph

[wild grove]

Nah, I dont think I can run this game natively on my craptop anymore, even on no beta branch, the game freezes after loading.

Like you can hear audio and even click things but the screen doesn't update.

[mystic anchor]

snipers never learn... respect the sightlines...

[summer willow]

@limpid panther what is this?

que

i've never seen this

[limpid panther]

you accidentally pressed one of the function keys that triggers the report function

[summer willow]

oh

[limpid panther]

i forgot which F key does it

[summer willow]

sorry for ping btw

[limpid panther]

but it records a screenshot and iirc also a demo, and attaches it to the repoty

[summer willow]

weird, never knew this existed

[limpid panther]

np, I don't mind being pinged

[jagged pawn]

very interesting video that covers a lot of the happenings in tf2 as of recent. includes

• how little money valve actually makes from tf2 which I think a lot of people need to hear to shift their perspective a little
• how much of tf2's problems come entirely from weird nerds online (harassing workshop creators, not using quickplay.tf because then they can't complain about casual anymore, getting mad about deadlock for no discernible reason, etc)
• how healthy communities form in games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLgeHmPTtTg

[left sand]

it also mentions mastercomfig quickplay twice so its automatically a good video

[jagged pawn]

so true

[summer steeple]

haven’t watched the vid yet, but i think a lot of people forget that in all of valve’s games, a lot of the people spending the most money on items are using third party sites or trading already existing items

so like, none of that money is going to valve

like the average money valve gets from an unusual is probably only a little bit higher than any other cosmetic

coupled with the fact that tf2 is massively dwarfed in playerbase by dota and CS

hell even the payouts community creators get is massively lower in tf2

i forget the exact numbers but if you get a map into cs, even if just for one operation, that’s probably like 4x the amount you’d get from getting a map in tf2

like there’s a reason that no one is making tf2 content as a full time job

also don’t forget that potential 50k for a map is split between all the contributors for the map (including custom asset creators).

and making a map good enough to get in the game is NOT a one person job

doing that all by yourself would take years, and then it might not even get into the game

you do get some royalties, stamps don’t give valve any money and just go straight to the creators

i forget, but key sales might also go to everyone who helped out with the update?

now of course this says nothing about how much money valve makes off of tf2, but i think it’d be safe to say that they might be willing to pay more if they GOT more

[left sand]

i think its split among everyone in the case

[summer willow]

all tf2 servers died?

[hoary geyser]

tf2 is canceled, sorry

[slender nexus]

canceled by woke

[rare creek]

valve should really pay more

[wild grove]

Everything seems normal from steamstat.us.

50k for a game with a small sizable playerbase is nothing to scoff at but its clear people that are making stuff for tf2 are clearly doing it because they like the game and not because it pays super well, otherwise those creators would be making stuff for other, bigger games.

[radiant merlin]

It's because it's thuersday

[wild grove]

Like one of the older community item creators works at SEGA hardlight.

[slender nexus]

waow

that means they probably worked on sonic dream team and the Sega Mobile ports :3

that reminds me I need to get around to playing that eventually

I just checked their Wikipedia page and they didn't do the sega ports 😭

but I do remember seeing a hardlight logo when starting up one of the Christian Whitehead remakes

[wild grove]

Yeah pnly christian whitehead and stealth did the mobile ports

[craggy ridge]

Yeah prob

[proper tangle]

Why doesnt steam just block the api that bots use for automatic trading, are they stupid?

/s

[rare creek]

they are

[high current]

I thought the video was making good points until they started complaining about casual

Seems like their complaint with it is casual is too competitive, but also it’s not competitive?
Idk what they want, any game with a team that wins and a team that loses is going to be competitive in some sense. Even any game where someone kills someone else is going to be competitive in some sort.
That part of the video is huffing glitter glue imo

[proper tangle]

Casual is only missing a few thing on my opinion

• Vote for scramble
• Vote to extend so that people don't need to sit through the ending screen and then loading on the same map for over a minute. Or at least make it so if people vote on the same map the match immediately restarts without requiring reloading everything.
• Reduce the pre-game time
• "Include community servers" toggle so that people can be redirected to community servers much like coms quickplay.
• Spectating

[high current]

I think in general the casual non-gameplay experience could be sped up. Shorter map vote, waiting for player only runs once, better player slot filling algorithm.
I’d also like to see party members be auto-abstained from votes regarding each other. That way cheaters or toxic can’t have safety in numbers.

But other than that I think casual is fine and I enjoy it. A vote scramble would be a fine addition, but I hate uncletopia’s implementation that resets the round when it scrambles.
I also think casual is probably better off not having the ability to spectate. We don’t need people going afk in spectator and eating server slots, and there’s an argument that spectating makes it easier to confirm cheaters, but someone is either blatant enough that there’s other ways to tell or they’re subtle enough that the average tf2 player is going to falsely accuse any above average player of cheating. Spectating could be fun for content creators, but I feel like adding a feature that would probably be bad for most people just to convenience content creators is probably not a great idea.

[proper tangle]

Spectating could be limited to like, 2 people

[heavy solar]

@proper tangle has leveled up! (12 ➜ 13)

[proper tangle]

nice

[high current]

I just don’t see what it would really add to casual.
When it was a part of “quickplay” the only time I used it was to ghost my friends on the enemy team and laugh about it in Skype.

I’ve also noticed that the issue of people leaving after 1 map seems more tied to the results of the map vote.
Going from any payload map to upward? Server is going to stay populated. Going to upward the third time in a row? People start leaving.

[radiant merlin]

Just menuopen and menuclosed

[jagged pawn]

casual literally just needs to reduce the time spent not playing. make the vote faster, and if everyone votes to stay on the same map then just scramble teams instead of reloading the whole server

every other complaint people have about casual makes no sense to me

[proper tangle]

I would consider a checkbox saying "Include community servers" to be godlike

[jagged pawn]

why not simply play on community servers

[slender nexus]

can they also fix the bug where voting doesn't work

[jagged pawn]

yeah real

[slender nexus]

sometimes the buttons just don't react to you pressing them 😭

[proper tangle]

The idea is to guide new players towards community servers

So that they don't need to open the server browser and search in it or online for good servers

[jagged pawn]

by adding an optional button that they won't use just like the current optional button that they don't use?

[proper tangle]

the checkbox implies integration with the casual ping/gamemode/map selection

instead of having the user opening the browser, searching for the map, setting ping preference, then looking up if the server is good or not, build a favorites catalog, etc

The idea is basically coms quickplay, in a checkbox

[potent wolf]

comfig quickplay as an in-game dialog....

[proper tangle]

Of course, it wouldn't be literally coms quickplay, at least not visually to the player

to the player, they just clicked play then got into a server

if it's a Valve server or a community one shouldn't matter

thats the idea at least

[velvet raft]

why are you answering a question from 16 days ago?

[craggy ridge]

the message stays archived in the discord channel until further notice

[velvet raft]

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Skooma

[high current]

I sure wish some talented and ravishing hud developer would do something like that…

[potent wolf]

what if

setinfo

:)

[high current]

Whoops I dropped something
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1251863090098606192/1264400995031584888/QuickplayMiniGamemodes_RC1.mp4?ex=66eed0f0&is=66ed7f70&hm=694d8bdec452011d1059a09946ff87b45338ee617fe312a92496145d06a1163f&

I’m not sure if m0rehud and budhud ever pushed their versions of a quickplay menu. But they at least had versions in some stage of development, I don’t think adding an in game option for people to queue for community servers would really “bring back community servers.”
There needs to be demand for community servers in order for ease of access to be relevant in the equation, and currently I think the overwhelming majority of players are satisfied enough with casual that they don’t want to spend the extra mental effort of jumping into a community server, determining if it is what they are looking for or not, and decide to stick around. When they could just queue for vanilla flavored casual.

Not to same community servers don’t have a place. Just I think they will remain a minority of the player base, regardless how convenient they are.

[potent wolf]

yeah, but it still would be pretty cool to have it work in-game i think

[small siren]

*yeah, but it still would

be pretty cool to have it

work in-game i think*

- replay

[high current]

Yeh, it wouldn’t hurt to add it as a checkbox (as long as it is done right), but I also don’t see enough of a reason for Valve to develop it.

[potent wolf]

Would valve have to develop it?

[high current]

Who else would? Between m0rehud, budhud, and xhud, that’s 3 of the top 10 trending huds on comfig huds, the only way to make it more accessible would be to add it to default hud.

They’d also probably have to make a new menu for it, if they wanted more than a checkbox. I think m0rehud and budhud reused something like the replay menus to make theirs, and I don’t think Valve knows how to do the pin witchcraft I did to make my implementation.

[summer steeple]

battle of the shitcode speeds

it looks relatively balanced until you run it mutliple times in a row via a script

[potent wolf]

squirreljit when

[summer steeple]

if by pure chance it doesn't get cancelled, jesus fuck

for reference, version A is essentially me checking several criteria via an if statement, and then appending data to an array if it succeeds
version B is adding it to an array, then using squirrel's built in filter function to check the criteria, and then looping through the array to add it to a new array (since it needs to be run multiple times)

granted, I bet the extra foreach is really slowing it down

but there's no way to just like

append an entire array

[summer willow]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/543155

[summer steeple]

i shifted around the order of the criteria in my if statement and it chopped off 24ms from the benchmark (i run it 500 times)

gdi

can't make this shit up

[potent wolf]

short circuiting leads to expensive condition not being evaluated?

[summer steeple]

yeah

my first criteria was checking to see if the value was already in the array

moved it to the back instead

[summer steeple]

i may be fucking stupid lmao

getting there

comparable, but I think thats as far as I can take it

I hate the fact that the stupid ass if statements is still faster

hmmm actually

when only running it once, version B is faster

which is good, because i'm only allowing this to run once per tick

[small siren]

which is good, because

i'm only allowing this

to run once per tick

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

under .1ms

so, success!

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/437863876587945985/1286784557613580441/stolen.mp4?ex=66ef2b01&is=66edd981&hm=bf96b85432f675b7c759d8f6901dadab559dbb0a730c3ac682d2ee28c41d9619&

[spring kestrel]

That's a wild take

[high current]

My take or theirs?

[spring kestrel]

No casual being too competitive

I can kinda get it, two years ago or whenever I picked up tf2, I feel like casual matches were marginally more chill, but iunno if that's because I stopped queuing for ctf 'n stuff

But like casual is not sweaty by any margin unless you're really unlucky haha

[high current]

I guess they were complaining it had competitive elements in it? Like the hidden mmr and I honestly don’t know what else they had in mind

But the way the mmr works to my understanding is that the game still tries to have a match with a vast range of mmrs, to effectively feel like a more balanced version of random match making.
I might have misinterpreted when people broke it down and it might not be super effective. But imo that implementation makes it difficult to say it’s too competitive.

I think a lot of people blame mmr for the fact that games can often have rolls. But tbh I don’t think rolls are as common as people make them out to be, the mmr system isn’t to blame for that, and in games without mmr and games with highly complex mmr rolls still happen.
So unless someone does a crazy amount of data collecting to prove that the mmr system has statistically MORE rolls than a system without mmr, I’m gonna chalk that up to people wanting stuff to complain about.

[orchid sorrel]

https://streamable.com/67t4hw

[radiant merlin]

tf_win64.exe

when is nvidia going to fix that?

[summer steeple]

never

I think i even emailed them about it

[green tulip]

it's so easy to fix

they would literally just have to add "tf_win64.exe" to the already existing "Team Fortress 2" profile

I even had a friend who was having recording related issues because of the new exe name and I just made them manually add the new exe name to the profile and it fixed all of their problems

[summer willow]

just now i noticed that tf2 is not updating my points in statistics, why?

i guess time still being updated? but the rest is not

[summer steeple]

yeah i think its been broken for a loooong time

[half rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jHbR7KeisQ

WTF?

[kind falcon]

i love hacking

[high current]

Easy fix: read the instructions before installing transparent view models.
One of the recommended settings fixes whatever causes certain props to be translucent when viewed through the transparent viewmodels refract and scope overlay at the same time.

Funny because the huds.tf discord was just talking about how few people read instructions.

Other transparent viewmodel recommended settings also increase the quality of the transparent viewmodels, so please benefit everyone and read instructions before installing

[summer willow]

thats lame

[potent wolf]

RIP mac builds forever

[summer steeple]

they removed localized rich presence?

or am i misreading

[potent wolf]

apparently? idk what thats about

macos is no longer supported on source games though

they updated everything

[rare creek]

what?

[potent wolf]

https://steamdb.info/app/440/history/?changeid=25376591

mac builds were already dead

they're even more dead now

[rare creek]

how

[potent wolf]

read the changelist i linked

[spring kestrel]

out of curiosity have any of you had any luck running horsie's viewmodel editor under wine?

[rare creek]

why the hell did they just remove a bunch of shit are they stupid?

they hate us so much fr

I HATE VALVE!!!

[potent wolf]

i think there was some discussion about it here awhile ago, maybe try searching the old messages

[potent wolf]

please try to be more original, you say this every time anything happens

[spring kestrel]

seems to be a no

[summer steeple]

i forget, does it make use of some of the apps built into tf2 like studiomdl? or is it completely standalone

for example the flat textures mod uses some of those built in tools to generate the flat textures

if it’s the latter you might be able to follow some instructions for running that on linux instead?

or at least use it to help idk

[spring kestrel]

I'm unsure

I used proton to get the majority of the windows tools and it's giving an error regarding being unable to find a file

[potent wolf]

does it say what file it is?

[spring kestrel]

not exactly

[potent wolf]

oof

[radiant merlin]

pretty sure they changed how richpresence works with the 64 bits update and they are going to fix it later???

[potent wolf]

apparently rich presence still works? so it was probably just a backend change

[crisp cedar]

if its any comfort, valve are working on proton for arm

might help with mac

but honestly who gives a fuck about mac lol

macs are for people who pretend to be productive

[potent wolf]

mac is a trash gaming platform

[crisp cedar]

https://steamdb.info/app/3043620/history/?changeid=25321568

also waydroid

[rare creek]

but proton doesnt worj on androit...

i mean mac

proton for androit...

[spring kestrel]

File not found.

Failed to open '+1'```

found the file it's trying to call

[potent wolf]

asahi linux...

[radiant merlin]

i wonder if tf2 player numbers are going to peak now that the bots are gone

that would prove that the previous cases were not bot swarms

but valve please don't add 10 maps this time

[spring kestrel]

I may have gotten it to work!

nope but kinda

wait

[spring kestrel]

okay so the problem seems to be wine reading the more batch command wrong

so I replaced it with something else

it may work?

[spring kestrel]

no

[spring kestrel]

I got it to run

however

nope

doesn't properly work

[spare obsidian]

turn on your brain

[spring kestrel]

Okay don't tinker with it haha

It somehow consistently removed the mimeapps or something and steam became unable to launch games or the webhelper

[spring kestrel]

are there any ways to view particles on linux?

[summer steeple]

the particle editor is built directly into tf2

just launch the game with the -tools launch option

might be broken, it was when x64 launched and you had to use the x32 client, i think it might be fixed tho

[spring kestrel]

It's not included with the Linux versions

I guess I could theoretically use the windows exe? Let me check

[rare creek]

another linux L...

[summer steeple]

wtf

fucked up

[spring kestrel]

Yep!

that's cool last time I tried I was either too inexperienced or wine has gotten better!

[velvet raft]

ash linux

linux with my mind

[spring kestrel]

I ported spy's concise disguise menu to aliases. I don't really know if this will be useful to anyone but I'm very happy I did it. It was really good fun.

here's the cfg

I tried to document as much of it as possible

I'm so happy haha

[spring kestrel]

it has actual use if your keyboard doesn't have numbers (me) but it's so cooolll

[summer willow]

im stupid, i thought completing everything perfect would gave me another contract or something

[jagged pawn]

why

[wild grove]

Random tf2 bugs that occur once, dont occur again for a long while #6151515

[unborn pecan]

What if car companies made the car's paint an active subscription

and liked

removed your paint if you don't pay

that'd be pretty fucked up

[radiant merlin]

nice tip

[summer steeple]

last night I used my loadout quickswitch bind right as I touched a resupply and it just removed my primary and melee weapons

I was stuck using the SMG until i touched the resupply again

[summer steeple]

wtf

i just got the processing time exceeded kick

interesting

idk what i could've done

[kind falcon]

haker

[summer steeple]

yeah :(

[summer steeple]

also some funny videos

[kind falcon]

What is that warpaint

[summer steeple]

uhhhhh

Neon-ween

scream fortress 13

[kind falcon]

That shit is fire

[wild grove]

Rare Neon-Ween enjoyer (There is good reason why it is expensive)

[wild grove]

Orm, ascually its from scream fortress 2021, it was the only time all war paints added were implemented 100% accurate to the workshop submission 🤓 👆

[kind falcon]

scream fortress 13 = scream fortress 2021

[wild grove]

ahhhhh

I like to use the year it came out instead since it could cause confusion, which it did with me.

[kind falcon]

game never references the year but you could just remember that it all went similarly ever since the 7th one

oh and also

scream fortress is coming!!!!!!!!

q4 is practically the time of year when tf2 becomes fresh again

or at least in some sense

[wild grove]

2nd part is true tho, every update that has community war paints, valve fucks up the implementation somehow, and makes it inaccurate to what its shown in the workshop submission.

Summer 23' was the absolute worst war paint case in terms of botched implements

like a solid half of the case are inaccurate to the workshop submissions.

[glass musk]

I'm very curious to see how TF2 looks on an OLED monitor

I also want to run it in 8K once I get my 5090

[midnight cape]

just hope the UI scaling update releases first or you'll have to use a magnifying glass

[glass musk]

yop

[high current]

I was expecting you to get telefragged hanging out on that tele

[left sand]

https://youtu.be/yf0qBbEkF_Q

[wild grove]

This makes me realize that someone should make a shounic ytp, that would be so funny.

[serene yarrow]

what would be the best way to report a bug within tf2 causing unintended items to be created

[rare creek]

my dms

[serene yarrow]

i don't know exactly how it is being done but I know who is making them, presently it is only 1 person

but im assuming they could see how it is being done

[rare creek]

id dm mastercoms about it becausr they have all of the connections with valve staff

but dm me how to do it first if you figureit out

[serene yarrow]

i've tried countless ways lol im not him

i may do that though thanks

[summer steeple]

email valve

[serene yarrow]

valve or eric

or tfteam

[rare creek]

theydont read thosd

[summer steeple]

they do

[summer steeple]

eric or tfteam, or both

[serene yarrow]

oh alright

ty

[craggy ridge]

just realized the mercs have yaoi hands

[summer steeple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807809192537882647/1210053870563102830/IMG_3696.gif

[rare creek]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-tweak-tweaking-what-gif-1547006946285359423

[next nymph]

this was the central argument in Game Theory speculating on pyro's gender

[slender nexus]

hello internet and welcome to game theory

[slender nexus]

joe bidens america

[sterile ferry]

does keeping -dxlevel in launch options have other negative effects than resetting resolution

[rare creek]

it resets all your graphics settings which causes a bunch of lag if you keep it alongside a config, mastercomfig recommends you launch the game with -dxlevel 100 (automatic dxlevel) one time then close it and remove the launch option

[hidden gyro]

https://youtu.be/sBJzNH0jkuA

[summer willow]

shounic sounds like nilered

[high current]

At least he doesn’t sound like nileblue

[summer willow]

but nileblue sounds very like nilered

[high current]

Next you’re going to tell me blue paint smells the same as red paint.

[summer willow]

what is paint

[rare creek]

tf2 item

[radiant merlin]

source github without context

[hoary geyser]

the passtime ball is inclusive

[rare creek]

bro why the fuck did valve ban ui_scaling_test from playing in casual??!?!??!?!???!?!??!?!?!?

😭

[small siren]

*bro why the fuck did

valve ban ui_scaling_test from

playing in casual??!?!??!?!???!?!??!?!?!?*

- totallynotniteruxiswear

[rare creek]

FUCK YOU

[rare creek]

going to ac tually kill the valve contractor for this'

game is unplayable now

we need to illegalize developers ebing stupid pieces of shit!!!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/im-done-fuck-you-im-fucking-done-im-done-with-your-bullshit-markiplier-gif-19793649

uninstalling this game

[crisp cedar]

no

it just looks like they forgot to update the branch

as the uh

the error message says

[rare creek]

it says the server is running an older version

[crisp cedar]

oh

[rare creek]

so unless you mean they forgot to update the damn sever

[crisp cedar]

well in any case

[rare creek]

fuck valve

i hate thios fucking compnany

[crisp cedar]

it seems that the versions of the game dont match

on scaling test and main branch

i would hope they would implement it in main but maybe theres still issues they have to fix

[mystic anchor]

volvo my beloved

[potent wolf]

valve game servers dont run beta versions

[rare creek]

it used to let you in fine

[potent wolf]

yes because the branch version hadnt been updated for some reason

[rare creek]

??

[potent wolf]

it got updated and so the version changed

[rare creek]

but it worked fine

[potent wolf]

ok?

and?

[rare creek]

valve ruins everything

[potent wolf]

cry about it

[radiant merlin]

skill issue, just hack your game

[radiant merlin]

rip tf2.com link

[spring kestrel]

@high current yo can I borrow your horsie's viewmodel configs?

I like how your original looked in a clip you posted way back

[rare creek]

how?

[radiant merlin]

lmaolunch

[rare creek]

literally 1984

[potent wolf]

quite easily

[half rose]

Radeon AFMF2 now works in TF2

[rare creek]

too bad it doesnt work at all actually!!!!!!!!!!!

[spring kestrel]

What is that?

Additionally why is it significant

[half rose]

Free FPS Update 😏

[spring kestrel]

Ooo frame generation

Is it available on Linux?

[half rose]

nah Windows only

[spring kestrel]

Aw

That's something I've been waiting on for ages

Somewhat disappointing that it's not in Linux but it's fantastic regardless

[kind falcon]

that no longer works since x64 released

[midnight cape]

a fellow hl2 hud enjoyer

I only stopped using it recently because I modified the default hud to have ralsei instead of class portrait

[high current]

my original config is:

&::original

    ••Original:
        •Position:
            X_position=-1
            Y_position=0
            Z_position=8
        •Rotation:
            X_rotation=0
            Y_rotation=0
            Z_rotation=0
        •Hidden(y/n)=n
            Keep_draw_visible(y/n)=n
            Keep_attack_visible(y/n)=n
            Keep_reload_visible(y/n)=n
            Keep_idle_visible(y/n)=n
        •Static_draw(y/n)=n
        •Static_reload(y/n)=n
        •Static_attack(y/n)=n
        •More_static_idle(y/n)=y
        •Remove_left_arm(y/n)=n
        •Replace_reload_sound_with_stock(y/n)=n

&::original

with:

tf_use_min_viewmodels 0
viewmodel_fov 90

in my soldier config

[spring kestrel]

I mean the vpk, linux moment

[high current]

it's going to try to exec my hud config everytime you load but that shouldnt do anything bad. Other than that youre gonna have centered hitscan weapons

[spring kestrel]

thank you very kindly boss!

[mystic anchor]

progress

[rare creek]

I hope to god that the ui scaling test gets put into scream fortress I dont want to wait no more 😭

[high current]

eh, ive been in no rush to test it

[orchid sorrel]

https://streamable.com/6xf6l0

messing with a custom rocket jumper upgrade

[kind falcon]

wtb strange rocket jumpa

[burnt dragon]

this looks like a nice idea to make trolldier builds actually viable in mvm lmao

[spring kestrel]

is there any way to do something like uncap mat_viewport_scale?

[small siren]

*is there any way

to do something like uncap

mat_viewport_scale?*

- _bluster_

[spring kestrel]

I doubt it, but I wanna ask anyway

[high current]

Wouldn’t that basically be just using upscaled resolution?

Like Nvidia dsr

[spring kestrel]

Yep!

That is exactly what I am looking for haha

[glass musk]

is comfig10 still coming this year?

[left sand]

probably not

[spring kestrel]

What changes constitute a new version?

This is a legitimate question, I am quite curious!

[left sand]

well theres 2 new versions

one is comfig 10 and one is an upcoming performance/bug fix release minor update

[rare creek]

comfig 10 is a rewrite

[grim parcel]

so happy to see mastercomfig adopting rust

[potent wolf]

comfig 10 will be written in zig, not rust

[jagged pawn]

comfig 10, written entirely in matlab

[drowsy marlin]

Where is comfig 11

[velvet raft]

what's matlab?

[rare creek]

is scream fortress discontinued?

[left sand]

remember when scream fortress happened late in october

[zealous pond]

Yes, it's discontinued. TF2 is cancelled.

[wild grove]

There's rumors that maps were picked multiple weeks ago, it was supposed to release last week actually.

The lateness is prolly related to valve neing stretched really thin rn with all the stuff they are speculated to be doing on top of stuff they are doing rn (deadlock, dota 2, cs2, and tf2)

[rare creek]

cancel deadlock and cs2 and dota 2

god i hate valve

[high current]

I am a villain on medic

[wild grove]

That makes big bucks and tf2 doesn't, its a drop in the bucket for them so them actually adding new cosmetic content and maps is because they want to, not because they need to.

[rare creek]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

I dont CARE about money i care about UPDATES to actually GOOD games

[wild grove]

YOU aren't getting any fucking CRY about it

Wah wah wah

[rare creek]

not if i STEAL

[summer steeple]

is it even a rumor, I thought that the update deadlines were well known and public

well, deadlines for maps getting picked

as for why its not out yet, would not be surprised if they're trying to polish up bugs for custom gamemodes and shit

although seeing how every update goes now

[wild grove]

what custom gamemodes, a few are done but have 0 maps, and one is being made for smissmas 24' called Freeze Tag

[summer steeple]

hell, when they first announced the revamped summer update they gave out the deadline

not necessarily custom gamemodes

although updates to pre-existing ones (I know ZI has a few waiting for the patch), and potentially wacky maps that use vscript for some bullshit

[wild grove]

true

[summer steeple]

cause everything always breaks once it gets into valve's hands

like bonesaw

[wild grove]

the stinkay ass compiler

[summer steeple]

not even necessarily the compiler

just valve

idk why they still require mappers to send their vmfs

i don't think CS ever had that restriction

[wild grove]

yes it's usually valve's map compiler that causes wierd issues that never occured in the workshop release.

[summer steeple]

just let the mapper compile it themselves in their own environment that they know works

its stupid

[rare creek]

im pretty sure ive made this exact argument before and people called me stupid for saying that valve shouldn't need to compile map sources themselves

[crisp cedar]

thats why they updating dota and deadlock https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-tongue-tongue-out-tongue-sticking-out-gif-27660683

[rare creek]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-tweak-tweaking-what-gif-1547006946285359423

[velvet raft]

Deadlock CS2 and Dota 2 are good games

[velvet raft]

hey that's my cat reaction gif, get your own one

[rare creek]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-tweak-tweaking-what-gif-1547006946285359423

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-cat-cat-cat-meme-very-angry-gif-2777706484280697310

[spring kestrel]

What on earth is going on with the team composition, regardless congratulations on winning the midfight

[spring kestrel]

?

[spring kestrel]

God bonesaw at launch was insane

I loved that it was "ctf_bonesaw"

[spring kestrel]

I have an extremely fond recollection of the entire team of the saw that wouldn't push just going engineer and hitting it, all of them saying "WE WILL FIX IT" in chat

[high current]

Enemy team would only push out of last if they full wiped us. Like they legitimately told us that after. We had multiple failed pushes where we lost 4 or 5 of us on last and they would at best send a soldier to try and x1 cap second.
So we got bored…

[spring kestrel]

God blesseth

[high current]

They were also a scrim partner that we typically were slightly better than, but still a good matchup. And they basically cut a majority of their roster, so they it went from a fairly close matchup to me out dming people on medic…

So we kinda wanted to actually have a fight on mid and second before bashing our head against a wall pushing last against a team set on round resetting in scrims.

[radiant merlin]

tf2 doesn't have gore anymore?

[rare creek]

?

[summer steeple]

they removed the content descriptors on the store page

and i mean granted, by modern standards tf2 is pretty tame

but also idk if this is a mistake or what

CS2 and dota 2 still have their content descriptors

although i don't see it on their store pages?

its still on their store page metadata

oh right the content descriptors show up on the age gate

thats why i can't see them

[rare creek]

tf2 is for children now sorry bros they went the minecraft route

[small siren]

*tf2 is for

children now sorry bros they

went the minecraft route*

- totallynotniteruxiswear

[radiant merlin]

-lv enabled by default now, but the backscratcher model isn't updated yet

[rare creek]

tf you mean lv is enabled by default now theyd never do something so insane

[drowsy marlin]

when will valve start using unreal engine?

[rare creek]

never bc they're stupid

[drowsy marlin]

what if valve goes to the godot engine

[rare creek]

game sales drop to 0

valve is not woke enough for godot

[radiant merlin]

i think kisak is way too flexible with what is allowed in the source github

[spring kestrel]

What's -lv

[radiant merlin]

low violence

[spring kestrel]

Ohhh

[summer steeple]

best english skills on the source 1 issue repo

[spare obsidian]

fun not allowd according to ashe

[uncut spear]

I can only assume it's cause of it being as cartoonish as it is?

surprised about the general mature content tag removal tho

[small siren]

*surprised about the

general mature content

tag removal tho*

- aless109

[wild grove]

Potential low violence mode toggle in the advanced options?

I would love for them to make texture streaming a option.

[jagged pawn]

I know most people here don't care about comp but I thought it would be interesting to look into the popularity of each format internationally. what I gathered:

• 6s and highlander are of course still the big two. highlander is at its popular by far in north america, while 6s is more generally popular
  • 4s is surprisingly successful these days - having more overall teams than even highlander, though this is largely due to smaller team sizes - thanks to a huge push by customlander. particularly successful in europe, due to customlander starting as a european league
• ultiduo and bball continue to thrive as cup events. they're too wacky for anyone to want to run them for an entire season, but as a one week thing they're sick
  • pass time is a recent addition to the "banger cup" list, and has almost immediately surpassed bball in player count, though bball still stands strong in australia
• prolander and ready steady pan are pretty much dead. I ran the only prolander season since rgl dropped it, and quickly realized that it sucks lol. meanwhile pan.tf is gone and the last tournament for RSP was almost 4 years ago
  • ultitrio is hanging on by a thread, it's really fun but only one league runs it and the head has been too busy to run it so it's been dormant

[sterile ferry]

what does that do

[rare creek]

what

[sterile ferry]

ui scale test

[rare creek]

find out for yourself bruh why are you pinging me over a 9 day old message

[wild grove]

makes hud stuff bigger in ultrawide res/4k

[sterile ferry]

couldve js answer the question clearly didnt go nowhere

[tough locust]

eric smith couldn't compile the maps in hammer and now we have to wait

[high current]

Interesting data.
I stand by the opinion that if prolander wasn’t called “prolander”, it would have had a much better chance at sticking around. The name immediately compares it to Highlander which was already established, so it basically resigned itself to being a format for Highlander players to take less seriously.

And banning the froyo roster from competing in it for being too good didn’t help people take it more seriously.

[coarse spruce]

based

[jagged pawn]

I mean the bigger problem with it is just the sniper dominance. he's already extremely good in highlander, and prolander makes every kill matter more

it's an interesting format but ultimately offclassing just isn't as common as many think

[left sand]

my opinion: 6 players is already too much

also my opinion: if i were to keep on going about the flaws id just end up with deadlock

[jagged pawn]

LOL

[next nymph]

flaw: there's no gremlin gargoyle creature

[jagged pawn]

4s but post-heavy rework will surely be the best format

cmon tf team give us the heavy update

[next nymph]

bball is the best format, i will not elaborate

[jagged pawn]

pass time but bad

[next nymph]

more like ass time

[left sand]

heavy rework: make minigun instantly start firing but spin up firing speed over time. merge heavy and engineer, remove sentry gun and replace it with the mini sentry. the mini sentry is now buffed and you can place as many as you want given a cooldown in between placements instead of balancing around ammo packs. mini sentries now have a fixed lifetime. replace sandvich with a mini deployable dispenser which can buff multiple allies around it. remove teleporters and instead make them part of the map.

[jagged pawn]

I have like 3 hours in deadlock which deadlock character is this

[orchid sorrel]

https://streamable.com/0yk0zi

[proper tangle]

give him a deployable wall that does dmg and blocks sightlines so he has something he can do against snipers

[jagged pawn]

^ overwatch player, please ban

[high current]

Heavy rework:
Heavy gains access to a can opener. Upon opening a can of spinach Rasputin begins playing across the entire server. While the song is playing anyone who sees any Heavy is forced to work an industrial labor job.
Once more than 50% of a team is working an industrial labor job, all players of that team are afflicted with a damage over time that can only be counteracted by consuming a Sandvich.

[wild grove]

Heavy rework: when he fires his minigun, he dies

The ragdoll will go flying

[rare creek]

scream fortress is joever...

[tough locust]

if it doesn't drop tomorrow im legit ending it all

[rare creek]

@valvekisak

[high current]

If it doesn’t drop tomorrow I’ll drop an egg into a pan and scramble it!

[radiant merlin]

scream fortress is now going to release at october 29th again

only 2 weeks of scream fortress as before

[formal dew]

scream fortress is feature complete

[cursive peak]

But is it turing complete?

[rare creek]

yes with vscript

[spring kestrel]

source?

[spring kestrel]

this is actually extremely interesting

[jagged pawn]

:)

I think I want to work on running a weirdo league that just does full time 4s with ultitrio cups lmao

[spring kestrel]

do you know when the next bball cup (regardless of region) is?

[jagged pawn]

zero clue because it's not like a regularly scheduled thing

it always just kinda happens out of nowhere lol

same applies to pass time

ultiduo is by far the most structured of the cup formats

for reference the most recent bball cups were:
etf2l: february 2024
ozfortress: june 2023
NA bball (an independent org that solely does bball): february 2023

[wild grove]

no source but I can confirm that the map emails went out in mid september.

[spring kestrel]

Gosh damn

[spring kestrel]

I've been dragging literally all of my friends to play bball with me for no reason and so I would pull up to Ozzy servers to play a cup for the bit

[rare creek]

https://tenor.com/view/raven-team-leader-raven-team-leader-fornite-gif-2907889614255924056

[tough locust]

actual crashout

[radiant merlin]

don't be toxic c:

in my circus

cuz i'll outburst like a dynamite

[slender nexus]

what happened

[radiant merlin]

i'll travel thru the dark marshes of manhattan

and it won't be freakyng fair for you 🙂

don't ask just talking cryptic xd

[potent wolf]

update

🙀

[radiant merlin]

lol i thought it would take longer xd

the maps were leaked

[summer willow]

tf2 updateing

[radiant merlin]

tug of war added and vscript mvm in normal tf2

[left sand]

it's huge

[potent wolf]

huge titanfall 2 update

[hidden gyro]

WHERE CHANGELOG

AAAAA

PLS ADD MORE SNAKE TO SNAKEWATER

Wait

7GB

WTF

[potent wolf]

you must read the changed bytes yourself

[drowsy marlin]

How many bugs are they fixing

[hidden gyro]

busts out HxD

[drowsy marlin]

Is there a goofy bug fix note

[potent wolf]

https://steamcommunity.com/games/TF2/announcements/detail/6493719016528842304

oh it looks like ui_scaling_test was merged

Fixed the reload speed attribute in Mann vs. Machine not scaling projectile speed and gravity correctly for the Huntsman (community fix from Marxvee)
Fixed the damage bonus attribute in Mann vs. Machine not scaling correctly for the Huntsman (community fix from Marxvee)

more community fixes

[cursive peak]

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=230553

[hidden gyro]

The roof is now accessible

POG

OH SHIT

Updated several maps to fix localization issues

Localization got updated

[left sand]

i wonder if i should submit the patches individually

[potent wolf]

the comtress patches?

[summer steeple]

VAAAAAAAAAAALVE

[radiant merlin]

xd

tf2.com redirects to teamfortress again

[slender nexus]

Oh my god they actually fixed those broken MvM upgrades

[summer steeple]

I wanted to test out the new hud scaling so i changed my resolution

oops

no more hud

[radiant merlin]

400 bajillion mvm bugs left

[potent wolf]

*features

[radiant merlin]

wow