Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[uncut spear]

seemed to work pretty good so far

although I was testing in a 24/7 2fort server so lol

[eternal haven]

positive biased mat_picmip seems to incur a performance penalty for some reason, at least on some configurations

I was able to reproduce it on windows and nvidia when using dxlevel 90 or above

mat_picmip 2 runs considerably slower than mat_picmip 0

dxlevel 8 the issue isn't present

[wild grove]

that moment when you are forced to use high texture quality :)

[eternal haven]

it looks like mastercoms made all presets use high texture quality or higher, in the dev build

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/but-heres-the-uh-i-forgor-gif-26494840

you

that cat looks like a dumbass

not like you're a dumbass

you look good

probably

[uncut spear]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1263027800957517917/1263825049203376171/GIF_20240602_080928_395-1.gif

this is me

[velvet raft]

you don't like to shower then...

[uncut spear]

THE DRYER IS PAINFUL

[velvet raft]

sensory issues?

[uncut spear]

fuck microfiber towels

[velvet raft]

i feel you

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/laundry-cat-laundry-machine-gif-12189166

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/so-real-so-real-oomfie-oomfie-cat-pat-cat-patting-gif-12556998514686505791

idk what oomfie means

[tough locust]

been saying this since 2018 and nobody believed me glad to know it's real

[velvet raft]

you made it seem like it was important

[eternal haven]

Well for what it's worth I tried it on a year old version of the game and couldn't reproduce there

[left pivot]

does tf2 generate any crash logs

[rare creek]

no

your best shot is to force it to console log to a file

[eternal haven]

Not necessarily best shot

[slender nexus]

oomfie stands for 'one of my friends'

you would also be one of my oomfies but you haven't accepted my friend request on discord 😭

[elfin isle]

u sure that's not a backronym

[heavy solar]

@elfin isle has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)

[elfin isle]

when i crouch in midair there is a cool effect in tf2 but sometimes it isn't there, why is that so?

[left sand]

one of my followers

[elfin isle]

anyone know how to make the midair crouch visual feedback consistent or is it forever random?

[summer steeple]

wdym by visual feedback?

i think that sometimes when you crouch jump your camera moves up a bit? i forget

i think its timing based

[eternal haven]

It's not really consistent I don't think

Idk what all affects it

netsettings, server, ping, idk

[high current]

iirc if you crouch then jump you'll always get it

[eternal haven]

Well yeah but I think he's just talking about crouching mid air

regardless of whether you're in the air due to jumping or due to any other reason

sometimes the camera shakes a ton, sometimes it barely shakes at all

[high current]

yeh, if you crouch, then jump, then crouch again, youll get the jiggle

[elfin isle]

that is not it; the effect i have in mind happens each time when i press crouch in midair.

[eternal haven]

Well you can only crouch twice mid air

and the shake happens both when you press crouch and release it

so you can get 4 shakes each time you're in the air

but yeah the amount it shakes doesn't seem consistent, it varies seemingly based on your connection to the server and how well the server is running

[elfin isle]

in my experience it is either shaking or it isn't.

i wish valve would add a cool command that you can set to 1 for shake

[small siren]

*i wish valve would add

a cool command that you can

set to 1 for shake*

- 1211gott1

[eternal haven]

Interesting the shake looks much different in a demo than it does live

it's much more 'smoothed' when playing back a demo

Also it seems different per class

On a listen server I have basically zero shake on scout, slight shake on solder, bigger shake on sniper

[summer steeple]

here's a weird little thing I just found out about

+context_action

it has 3 (technically only 2) purposes

its priority is

1. heavy use MVM knockback rage upgrade
2. use canteen
3. taunt

but here's where things get weird

i said that it technically only has 2 purposes

well thats because you can activate knockback rage... by taunting

if you attempt to do the default taunt with knockback rage at 100% and with the minigun out, it will not taunt and instead will activate knockback rage

but the way they do this is also weird

since the knockback rage activating via taunting is forced in the taunt code

so the +context_action ccmd ends up just forwarding +taunt to the server unless you're in a situation where it will use a canteen instead. This also means that if you have any taunts equipped, it will just open up the taunt menu instead

this isn't a commented out command from an older version of tf2, this works right now, in modern tf2

but what this means is that you can technically have 3 different buttons bound to different commands that all will activate knockback rage

I assume the idea (mostly based on the name of the command) was that you could have a single button that would do everything you would need it to do

but in practice that probably would fall apart, as the game got more complicated and more buttons were needed, etc.

its better to just know exactly what a button will do, instead of using knockback rage when you wanted to use a canteen, or taunting when you didn't realize you used all your canteens

additionally, since i'm just in mostly canteen related code rn, it appears that at some point canteen specialist was supposed to give you +1 max canteen charges per upgrade, up to a maximum of 6 canteens

and an additional additional fun fact, there are 2 unused canteens

"Radius Stealth" (presumably would cloak you and allies? maybe related or evolved into/from the spytrap that would do the same thing) and "See cash through wall"

neither have code attached to them for actual functionality anymore, just references

but interestingly, while anything related to "See cash through wall" is marked as staging only (meaning it would only even be compiled into the game on developer builds), anything related to radius stealth is not. Which means that if you could somehow tell the game that you had that canteen, it would change the text on the hud, the icon and the model to that of the stealth canteen

unfortunately, the code that actually checks what canteen you have has zero code for that canteen, not even staging only, its just not there

[unborn pecan]

fiend technical writeup

[summer steeple]

also in case anyone was wondering, the localization strings are not in the game, so the text wouldn't really work, the icons for both are just achievement icons as placeholders, and the models for both is the teleport to spawn canteen model

[mystic anchor]

i got that drip

[limpid panther]

bruh, it was a regression of 2%. Don't be so harsh

proof:

[eternal haven]

Which setting was mostly responsible?

[loud egret]

fr

[velvet raft]

ups

done

[slender nexus]

@velvet raft :3

[glass musk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu83HNRUVY0

[summer steeple]

i'm not watching this video

is it new

did it just come out

[unborn pecan]

Will this work on linux or no

I'm not gonna install some stupid ass anti cheat if it doesn't work on linux, plus

all the bots are gone

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rare creek]

it is equivalent to pazer's bot detector basically

except with some automatic detection by analyzing your demos with totally accurate ai that wont false flag random people as cheaters

[unborn pecan]

sure let's give the community AI

surely nothing bad would happen

[rare creek]

I should join casual matches and start spinning my mouse around fast while looking up as sniper

get put on the cheater list as fast as possible speedrun 👍

yeah cause ai anti cheats are known for being SUPER accurate

i think you'd have a better time at detecting cheaters by hard coding in detection for cheat methods with heuristics

[eternal haven]

Yeah I never really understood why they made a whole copy of pazers

Instead of just using that

[velvet raft]

yes he was bisexual all along

[summer steeple]

also like

aren't the bots gone

[velvet raft]

slay

[glass musk]

it’s more for cheaters now ig

dearrow has better title

[glass musk]

also yes

[glass musk]

because like 5 people used pazers

[high current]

Eh. It was fairly common when the bot crisis was bad. I’d say like 1/3 games you could tell someone had it by the instakick of bots. But also that deep into the bot crisis bots would get kicked naturally the moment they spawned.
I just think most people played with the chat notifications off on the bot detector cuz it was kinda cringe with the chat spam.

Did watch the video, but I think the idea with this was that it’d be a more easily updateable and automated bot list, and it’d know to keep a closer eye on bot sympathizers.

Idk the implementation, but if someone just made a web app where I could have chrome up on my second screen and it gives a cheating player red for me to manually kick, without me having to use a separate program to relaunch tf2 with buggy launch options, then I’d probably use it regularly.
If it’s another program that automates it at the expense of buggy launch options and a non-negligible performance hit, then ehhhhh.

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-wrong-with-you-why-are-you-blue-what-is-wrong-with-you-why-are-you-blue-brba-breaking-bad-gif-26777019

[mystic anchor]

i still use botdetector whenever im on tf2

albeit sleepybuild and not pazer's

[high current]

I don’t use it if I’m playing scrims, which means if I pub before/after I’d have to relaunch it whenever I start/stop pubbing. Which is too much hassle for me to use now that cheaters are usually just some clueless sodapopper scout or burning flames sniper/heavy.

[rare creek]

pazer's bot detector chat spam would get you auto flagged by some variations of cathook which would then put you on their "rage" lists which would in turn make them target you more than other players

I only used pazer's for a couple days personally because it caused my game to crash a lot for some reason

[high current]

I never had the chat enabled

[elfin isle]

tl;dr on that megascatterbomb bideo?

[glass musk]

currently they're only beginning to collect demos for their own cheat detection algorithm. As for what you can do with the client right now, I recommend skipping to the usage chapter or SponsorBlock's highlight. Part 3 will feature the fully developed anti-cheat system

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/pasted-everything-here-is-pasted-and-detected-gif-24859278

[elfin isle]

I wonder why it's 2 hours long.

[kind falcon]

90% of it is yapping

[raw escarp]

like 40 minutes are dedicated to a guy that died to random crits

[mystic anchor]

even if i have a scrim i keep it on

• surepy’s build allowed me to customize chat message

[high current]

Pretty sure regular build also allows custom chat messages. I just don’t like it because it’s just copy+pasting the same thing every minute or whatever. I’d rather just see a cheater and manually go “ay yo, blah is a bot, plz kick <3”

[wild grove]

I remember this happens if a server has been on for too long. But idk about this, I do remember this occuring randomly then not happening again.

[radiant merlin]

it's the map

[left sand]

edicts?

or collision

because i thought they fixed the edicts bug

[radiant merlin]

100 players

have you noticed the prediction issues too?

[velvet raft]

omg is this team fortress 2

[frosty coral]

They fix edicts with a bunch of plugins to manage entity count

[heavy solar]

@frosty coral has leveled up! (1 ➜ 2)

[frosty coral]

The limit is still there

[eternal haven]

I still dont think adding 100 players was worth breaking demos

[left sand]

100 players is awesome though

also they didnt have to break demos

[potent wolf]

but they did :/

[left sand]

they could fix it even now

[potent wolf]

yes thats true

but probably not going to happen tbh

[left sand]

well if they change it back they break demos

[potent wolf]

someone should make a tool to fix the demos...

[drowsy marlin]

give demos a glock

[left sand]

someone was but then they realized demostf api wasnt clean

[eternal haven]

What do you mean clean?

[left sand]

clean code

[glass musk]

nvidia event happening in less than 30 days

wrong chat

[eternal haven]

Is it an easy fix? I have not looked at it at all

[mystic anchor]

the huntsman deflect!

[potent wolf]

sobbing rn

[radiant merlin]

dx8 moment

[mystic anchor]

i’m using dx98

[drowsy marlin]

Still has 8 in it

[mystic anchor]

damn

[velvet raft]

how are you the AO of a TF2 thread in a server about TF2? 😭

[potent wolf]

megathread v239485

[velvet raft]

damn, who made the other 239484 threads?

[grim parcel]

so now 3 people will use this?

[kind falcon]

only one user left...

[glass musk]

https://youtu.be/wu83HNRUVY0?feature=shared&t=4205 timestamp

[kind falcon]

msb agent right here

[turbid hill]

They titling this video like they ban steam accounts

Could I get a TLDR on this project?

What does it even do

[mystic anchor]

glorified tf2 bot detector

that’s going to have algorithms to review demos for cheats

[turbid hill]

But when it detects it

What does it do?

Like if we just flag bots that's cool but they weren't trying to hide for the past few years

[mystic anchor]

most likely auto votekick? or have that player listed in a database?

[turbid hill]

I see

Either solution seems flawed

[mystic anchor]

yeah valve time was faster this time

[high current]

Valve time was like 5+ years. iirc this has been in the works for a year

[turbid hill]

No one really expected anything to come out of Valve anyways

What we're seeing could either be something they set up for a proper long term plan to keep TF2 safe from bots or just a momentary thing that'll get bypassed in a year or two

[high current]

Yeh I was just saying it’s a little unfair to say that a tens-of-billions dollar company taking more than 5 years is the same time frame as an individual or maybe a small team lead by an individual taking 1-2 years funded out of pocket.

And even if this is just another bot detector, so? If it does it better then it’s better. If it doesn’t then don’t use it and it’ll fade into obscurity. It’s not like Pazer patented the concept of a bot detector.

For example: we’re all in a discord of an fps config that was released nearly a decade after Chris’s fps config and comenglia’s config.
But if you look at it with the slightest bit of nuance, mastercomfig is better, more customizable, cleaner implemented, etc.

[turbid hill]

Fair enough

[misty plover]

I am legally not allowed to comment on this can we have a different subject please

[loud egret]

💀

[kind falcon]

Valve should just…

[rare creek]

discovered that using the baby face blaster in combination with the bonk atomic punch and taking maximum damage allows you to move slower than a heavy

what the fuck just happened

lmfao

[eternal haven]

I dont like your crosshair bro

[summer steeple]

i'm curious, why did it break demos

is it just that the expected length of some data isn't what the game expects

[floral sandal]

what if spy could slide sappers across the floor

like in the meet the spy trailer

would that be OP or a cool addition

[wild grove]

That would be a really cool upgrade in MvM tbh.

Actual game, idk, it sounds kinda situational, also you would need a cooldown for it to not be ridiculously OP.

like you spam close range sappers but you cant spam throw sappers.

also couldn't a EMP grenade work a lil better? Have the range bubble show on client's end? Not have it be apart of the sapper?

[paper sluice]

I think so I forgot what it was called though

Some list got shifted around

Or array

Or just something

[velvet raft]

@potent wolf

[tough locust]

would be cool honestly spy needs a buff I never play spy but he just gets harder and harder to play every uear

[potent wolf]

lol

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/989689353250963487/1272662567021576292/2024-08-12_17-05-30.mp4?ex=66bbcae0&is=66ba7960&hm=b74101e98333a4d888c7361bceabce8f3158eb95e61c99b5aa9c1403f2f0ff27&

[rare creek]

are you using my crosshair trick?

[kind falcon]

mabey

[orchid sorrel]

Not my clip

[loud egret]

which game mode is this

[orchid sorrel]

Mvm

Medieval mvm

[potent wolf]

is it using vscript?

[orchid sorrel]

I think so

Its for the halloween tour

[potent wolf]

cool

[orchid sorrel]

Someones also making s cod zombies mode

[summer steeple]

didn’t ficool already do that? or did they never release it

[orchid sorrel]

never released i think

[summer steeple]

ah

[orchid sorrel]

the guy who made baurenhof from halloween 2022 is remaking his cod zombies mode with vscript

[summer steeple]

that dude has a lot of things that he shows off but never releases

[small siren]

*that dude has a lot

of things that he shows off but

never releases*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

frustratingly

[orchid sorrel]

the 2022 was a weird frankenstein of rafmod lua and point templates

[orchid sorrel]

https://youtu.be/Qm-d7Ypk0-Y

[mystic anchor]

the perfect deflect

[limpid panther]

#gaming-news🎮 message

[broken haven]

https://x.com/space__heavy/status/1823478500357181523

bug (@space__heavy) on X

Twitter · Aug 13, 2024, 9:55 PM

[limpid panther]

@left sand please rate this meme

[spring kestrel]

Yo what config is that

Or rather "mind sharing your graphical settings"

Because it looks visually pleasing to me!

[tough locust]

realest shit of all time

[potent wolf]

https://steamcommunity.com/gid/[g:1:554111]/announcements/detail/4283572335397869847

[spring kestrel]

Oooo more backpack space

[coarse spruce]

rip spy reveal exploit

[rare creek]

doesnt affectm e already using wallhacks

[glass musk]

lol

[mystic anchor]

it is mastercomfig medium high with some adjustments i’ve done nyself

ill send later

[spring kestrel]

thank you kindly!

[wild grove]

Anything borked from this?

[eternal haven]

I wonder how they fixed the demo fullupdate spy whatever

[wild grove]

I wanna know as well

[rare creek]

they made it so spy didnt go visible when you start recording 👍

[eternal haven]

Well there are multiple ways you could approach fixing that, I wonder which they went with

And if it had any side effects

[left sand]

spy is now always invisible

[rare creek]

the enemy team sure acts like it

[drowsy marlin]

So when spy cloaks, does the game not render him? How does that work?

[potent wolf]

A valve employee personally draws over the spy to hide him

[small siren]

*A valve employee

personally draws over

the spy to hide him*

- replay

[rare creek]

can u use input type=color here so i dont have to enter in the rgb values manually?

also can u make it so i can increase the crosshair size up to 100?

64 is too small for 4k

and the 4k size isnt properly represented on the website, it's way bigger on the website than in-game

[rare creek]

are you still supposed to use -particles 1 on ultra settings?

[wild grove]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/6272

unplayable ngl, back to not playing this game again (cause if I don't have anyone to play this game with me, why bother?)

[rare creek]

works on my machine

-window_name_suffix ballsfortress2

[rare creek]

@frosty coral is my account banned from mega anti cheat for being way too SICK at the game yet?? 76561198101291574

[mystic anchor]

wat

[glass musk]

cool cursor

[languid haven]

No it does but the shader changes their texture to transparency so it just doesn't show the texture. Sometimes the game will bug out and show his shadow.

So you kinda just see a spy's shadow and hear foot steps.

[mystic anchor]

@spring kestrel yo! mind if I dm?

[rare creek]

https://fxtwitter.com/SirDapper/status/1823520945455439902

[stuck locust]

i hope this is true because then there might be another expansion in the next 7 years

[drowsy marlin]

Why not just have infinite backpack slots? That would simplify things

[spring kestrel]

Not at all!

[rare creek]

@left sand there's an issue with the dev version of mastercomfig, even though i have my texture quality module set to ultra, the in-game mat_picmip is 0 instead of -10

why is this happening?

[unborn pecan]

@limpid panther

Are you going to release your data

About the whole mat_picmap thing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1033546960067629077.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=trolley~4

[limpid panther]

not yet, I need to improve the graphs a little bit

[rare creek]

have you tested with and without texture streaming

[eternal haven]

Doesnt seem related

to the mat_picmip performance issue

I tested briefly

[high current]

Does anyone know if the record;stop fix for showing invisible spies prevent the use of it to fix bugged invisible players? Or does that still work?

[summer steeple]

i don't see why it would break it

[high current]

At this point I just fear stirring the spaghetti

[mental warren]

tldr of it

[limpid panther]

nuh uh

[mental warren]

https://tenor.com/view/made-by-clown-gif-4428586269206149108

[rare creek]

this video is visually lossless and in 4k, enjoy!

[fickle dragon]

Casual mm is fucked for me too rn

First I got matched to two servers, none of which were running a map on my list. The third server was fine. Now I've been stuck in queue for 15 minutes with 39 maps selected

[rare creek]

https://comfig.app/quickplay/

[fickle dragon]

nah

[slender nexus]

YALL

my Australium Rocket Launcher finally sold on the community market

im getting like 106 out of it

pre ordering Sonic X Shadow Generations immediately when the money releases

[drowsy marlin]

Holy smokes!

[broken haven]

https://x.com/redheadmymy/status/1824070566397059221

Redhead Mymy (@redheadmymy) on X

#BringBackQuickplay #TF2

Twitter · Aug 15, 2024, 1:08 PM

do they know

[potent wolf]

TF2 IS OVER

[summer steeple]

"spin bots first started appearing the same month as MyM's launch" this sounds... wrong?

[small siren]

*"spin bots first started

appearing the same month as

MyM's launch" this sounds... wrong?*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

but also yeah

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-gif-17552966235424643644

[velvet raft]

you have your prioritys straight

[kind falcon]

ermmmm it was actually 2017 🤓

[summer steeple]

no i just mean like

i swear there were bots even prior to MYM

not to this extent of course

god damn it

oh its back

but very slooooooooow

[velvet raft]

they want you to back down

the government is watching you fiend

[summer steeple]

tragedy, decided to work on vscript again, remembered how hardcoded everything is

[cursive peak]

I think the definition of "spinbot" may have shifted. There were definitely people connecting to servers and using a spinbot type aimbot to attempt to troll.

[next nymph]

earlier aimbots especially i feel like

[cursive peak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-1_XoNXXYI

2011

[drowsy marlin]

I dunno quickplay was whatever. I feel like people want it back cuz nostalgia

Maybe community servers could be promoted more idk

[slender nexus]

I'm sorry to say this but if anyone cites EmperorLemon I always have to discard their opinion 😭

[cursive peak]

I'll just tap the video again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39g-noqtO0A

[slender nexus]

also the red underlines makes it look like a spelling or grammatical error

because programs like MS word and Google Docs use red underlines for errors

[spring kestrel]

Low key yea

[rare creek]

how big of a dumbass could u be to make this

[left sand]

quickplay is fun

but a different kind of fun

[spare obsidian]

they removed the pride flags from the desk engineer in the newest tf2 update.

iirc only the cosmetic creators are the ones who update the textures

[summer steeple]

sometimes valve steps in and edits things

just in general

but it is pretty rare

[crisp cedar]

good

[spare obsidian]

rayne speedrunning getting baned any%

/j

[rare creek]

https://fxtwitter.com/EverikReal/status/1824198991678148977

[spring kestrel]

noooooooooo

that's sad

[glass musk]

unlucky

[summer steeple]

i get it tbh

for something like the "tran s. wright" door in galleria thats just like a "haha isn't this kind of like 'trans rights'", but the flag is like a direct reference

[rare creek]

shyould we kill valve over thi

[spare obsidian]

but miss pauling is literally confirmed to be lesbian

valve doesn't have problem to have these things

[summer steeple]

wasn't she confirmed by an ex-writer not at valve anymore

[next nymph]

pyro is any pronouns

[summer steeple]

i mean i'm not trying to defend valve or anything

I do think its kind of weird

[spare obsidian]

they're literally still there

working on there

[summer steeple]

but i think valve sees stuff like the flags a bit differently idk

[spare obsidian]

i feel like is valve to just not deal with today society buzzwords of "woke == bad"

pretty much wanting to be neutral

[kind falcon]

maybe you should try

[summer steeple]

and tbh i wouldn't be surprised being "ghosted for 3 weeks" is partially due to internal discussions at valve about what to do about it

alongside usual valve time

so its more like 1-2 days of discussion, and 2.5 weeks of nothing

[kind falcon]

sorry, no politics in a videogame filled with mentally ill people

[rare creek]

i hope they get bought out by microsoft and then subsequently get run into the ground and then liquidated

[spare obsidian]

are you the clown of the server?

because sure your jokes are so bad

bordeline unfunny

[rare creek]

this is not a joke

evil ass company

[next nymph]

clown college is harder to get into than harvard

[formal dew]

yanis varoufakis and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[mystic anchor]

imo it’s just a minor thing being removed

[kind falcon]

valve

[formal dew]

https://x.com/EverikReal/status/1824190542860657090

ᴇᴠᴇʀɪᴋ (@EverikReal) on X

Hiding “Fuck Eric Smith” on my next war paint if I ever make one again

Twitter · Aug 15, 2024, 9:04 PM

[spare obsidian]

lol}

[languid haven]

Lol looks like someone needs a new hobby.

[next nymph]

their hobby is eric smith

[spare obsidian]

their weapon skins are mid anyways

[hoary geyser]

didn't bots become a problem in like 2020

and I'm sure they existed before meet your match

[orchid sorrel]

i vaguely remember seeing early cat bots around like 2018

[potent wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-roomba-funny-animals-gif-12030326

[summer steeple]

so in other words, it had nothing to do with meet your match

aside from the fact that the servers were probably less moderated than community ones

[left sand]

afaik the bot hosters said they did it because of a lack of updates

also the pride flags imo are a bit too on the nose in terms of an easter egg

like think about the map maker easter eggs

in like valve maps

theyre integrated into the time and feel of the world

these are very forced imo

[potent wolf]

I don't think it was that egregious but I can understand why valve didn't want it in the game

[left sand]

even the tran s wright i think is not clever enough

[mystic anchor]

^ and that one felt forced

[left sand]

i think any reference to something outside of the game should be subtle and clever

[orchid sorrel]

i dont like it being removed, but at least this sets the precedent that people cant just sneak whatever they want in to a submission

all it takes is one first-time submitter to sneak in something really offensive

[left sand]

yup

[rare creek]

ctf map named after my little pony:

[left sand]

at least it was removing this and not removing something that would have changed the workshop in general

like the invasion update

lol

[orchid sorrel]

chat how do we tell him

[mystic anchor]

one moment

[mystic anchor]

believe the map’s name comes from this

[rare creek]

WHAT

[mystic anchor]

[potent wolf]

.

[rare creek]

they named a children's show character after alchoohl

[potent wolf]

pretty clever if you ask me

[orchid sorrel]

they named a cereal after alocol

[rare creek]

what is rainbow dash also a real word somehowd

[orchid sorrel]

🤯

[rare creek]

or whatever idk what their names are

[orchid sorrel]

sprinkle poptart

[next nymph]

what's next? Teletubbies' custard is real too?

[rare creek]

that's probably a new pony in the 3d remake of my little pony where they are all named after brands like "cool coca cola" is

[spare obsidian]

turn on your brain

[rare creek]

they made a 3d reboot of the show it looks terrible

[orchid sorrel]

erm did they really name this pony after grungus the terrible, the cave grug who devoured 30 cave people in an hour

[rare creek]

probably, probably

they really did

[orchid sorrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/776684475051671573/1058988351086141451/3C28C6BC-6680-4AA7-BFFC-8337B546016C.gif

[potent wolf]

lol

[broken haven]

666

[kind falcon]

I appreciate your existence.

[mystic anchor]

i just

don’t want pride to be used as a weapon to piss orange man off

or anyone off, for that matter

[rare creek]

they are actually yellow i threw jarate on them

[cursive peak]

The first pride was a riot. Pissing people off is in the very DNA of pride.

Marching our queer asses down the street is a show of force.

[kind falcon]

then lgbt was used for stabilizing far-right regimes ||(as a "threat")||

[formal dew]

Que

[high current]

I’m just bothered by their use of the word “ghosted”. Ghosting implies that they reached out to Valve and never heard back. Valve reaching out to the creator is literally the opposite of ghosting and it is sorta just misusing a charged word imo.

But it’s not like they saw the pride flag and wiped all the references to LGBTQ+. If they did that I could understand pushback. But this is just clearly Valve going “look, this was too on the nose, it crossed a line”

[rare creek]

cool update

[spare obsidian]

nice fucking model

[rare creek]

love this scottish resistance nerf

[drowsy marlin]

How can this even happen? They didnt even touch the scottish resistance

[rare creek]

valve employees have brain damage

[eternal haven]

Maybe related to the spy fix

Who knows

[rare creek]

so true

[potent wolf]

actually shut up

[rare creek]

listen if i made a game

[potent wolf]

i dont care if youre joking its unfunny and rude

[rare creek]

wouldnt have bugs

[spare obsidian]

turn on your fucking brain

[rare creek]

it's on full blast how else do you thuink im perfect

this is how smart the 100% sugar diet gets you

giga brain

I should sell a book on the 100% sugar diet

[orchid sorrel]

I did that all it did was damage my pancreas

[unborn pecan]

they don't have the propper capabilities upstairs

all they do is babble all the time

no substance at all

[rare creek]

what do you do

[wild grove]

Reverify integrity of game files, it fixes that.

It's some spaghetti type thing, for some reason the scotres model will just bug out after a random update for no reason, then gets fixed after a reverification.

[rare creek]

all 1781 files successfully verified

[potent wolf]

most be something you did wrong because the scottish resistance renders fine for me

[wild grove]

I don't like the fact that the cosmetic originally didn't have the flags in the first place and only had numbers instead.

[rare creek]

yeah it started rendering fine for me too after i reopened the game

so whatever bug caused it is probably a bit more nuanced than the model file just being missing or smth like that

[rare creek]

if mastercoms made tf2 ans was the only programmer on tf2 the game would be perfect

[jagged pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/2-blocked-messages-discord-saul-goodman-better-call-saul-meme-gif-4482802462778253475

[slender nexus]

😭😭😭

[radiant merlin]

are you using recompiled lod mod?

btw, not updating the game anymore

[rare creek]

no

[radiant merlin]

any mod that changes weapon models?

in my case the lod mod was causing the issue and idk how or why

[rare creek]

i did a complete tf2 cleanup recently the only 3 mods i have are xhud, my hitsounds, and mastercomfig

[radiant merlin]

weird

have you verified cache?

[wild grove]

Can't you just keep the old version of the texture? Then make that a mod?

[small siren]

*Can't you just keep the

old version of the texture?

Then make that a mod?*

- woshee

[jagged pawn]

why does anyone care about this lol

[radiant merlin]

i lied, already updated

[crisp cedar]

making a mod for a texture that you cannot see on the model

[small siren]

*making a mod for

a texture that you cannot

see on the model*

- rayne

[unborn pecan]

I would heart this but

[wild grove]

I felt more icky with it being in after I saw it didn't have the flags in the first place and was added in after it got in-game.

[potent wolf]

there isn't anything better to talk about

🥱

[jagged pawn]

I guess lol

[potent wolf]

love this game

[orchid sorrel]

https://imgur.com/yBbpi7t

[eternal haven]

How was it even changed after it was added?

[orchid sorrel]

I think this pyro is quite epic,,,,

[eternal haven]

Does valve just pull directly from the workshop instead of maintaining their own version?

[crisp cedar]

it wasnt

oh

[eternal haven]

.

[potent wolf]

oooo that looks cool

[crisp cedar]

iirc workshop creators can email to make changes but they dont always go through

i think uh

there was a coat for the engineer and scout(?)

looked like overwatch tracer

[wild grove]

VALVe told em to remove it

[crisp cedar]

and they made additional variants and submitted them to valve but it never got added

[wild grove]

anyways, when is the next community tour @orchid sorrel ?

[orchid sorrel]

halloween

uhhhhh

[wild grove]

hell yeah

[orchid sorrel]

idk exact date but theyre hoping for late september/early october

with moonlight dead im not sure what potato has planned after that

[wild grove]

moonlight died?!

wtf?!

[orchid sorrel]

👼

[wild grove]

what happened?

[rare creek]

mvm will fall soon...

[orchid sorrel]

um idk they all disbanded for reasons im not really aware of

[wild grove]

damn we're gonna get larger gaps between community mvm tours now :(

[orchid sorrel]

the silver lining is most of the map/mission makers are probably just gonna be consolidated to potato

so potentially less tours, but the tours will have more stuff

maybe they'll finally get work done on reverse 2

[wild grove]

re-reversed

[orchid sorrel]

there was some reverse stuff being made for the last tour, but they require way more resources than regular mvm

Spacepost reverse had a really long dev time

[crisp cedar]

the dogfighter

[orchid sorrel]

oh that cosmetic

came out around 2cities

time flies

[crisp cedar]

they made it multiclassed

and submitted it

and it never went through lol

[orchid sorrel]

rip

[wild grove]

oh man, I remember that trend

[eternal haven]

Wait does windows 11 fix the gamma bug

I just tried windows 11 and the gamma bug in tf2 is fixed

[rare creek]

what is the gamma bug

[eternal haven]

The gamma doesn't get set when you tab back into the game

Well sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't

[languid haven]

why does that remind me of a lemon demon song?

[rare creek]

weird

[eternal haven]

It only happens when you're using fullscreen mode

but I think windows 11 fixes it or something

[high current]

Was playing with 3 of my friends who play pro Valorant and the party got autoblanced. Parties being broken up are fun sometimes

[eternal haven]

How do you get your original viewmodel to look like that?

Is it an animations mod?

[potent wolf]

like what?

[eternal haven]

It's not positioned in a way you can achieve with any combination of min viewmodels or viewmodel fov

Unless I'm missing something

[high current]

“Horsey’s Viewmodel Editor”, it’s a script that allows you to set custom offsets for viewmodels and generate customized animations for them. It’s a lot more noticeable on my hitscan weapons where they’re all centered. But my on soldier in particular it’s non-minimal viewmodels and it’s lowered a bit and actually centered.

Only on the original though. On stock rocket launchers I cant stand the minimal look or the lower look.

[eternal haven]

Looks neat

[potent wolf]

wow I didn't even notice that

neat

[rare creek]

i should get a collector's original

not that much more expensive than strange ks originals iirc?

[high current]

I think collectors is worth a lot more iirc. But I could be wrong. Idk though because I find stranges more interesting.

[high current]

I’d recommend it. Let’s you do neat things like hide your own shells, have more static animations, hide specific view models or animations with more granularity than ytriums viewmodels. It’s pretty neat.
I’ve run a handful of different setups with the mod over the past 2 years.

[velvet raft]

it's a harmeless script? idk how that stuff works sorry

[summer steeple]

yeah, iirc it just edits the weapon scripts, which comfig also does for the weapon customization

horsie is in this discord if you want to ask them questions about it!

[velvet raft]

thank you fiend

[shrewd leaf]

So instead of changing my mouse DPI from 1600 to 800, I instead changed the ingame multiplier from 1x to 0.5x.
Using the in game method results in a noticeably lower sensitivity.
Why is this happening?

[spring kestrel]

That's so cool

[spare obsidian]

Fortress

[velvet raft]

at Night

[fathom eagle]

why is TF2 making a "boop" sound when loading a match? 🤔

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/smol-illegally-smol-cat-cute-cat-boop-gif-3484507763170497045

boop

[wild grove]

Like the du du sound?

[fathom eagle]

Kind of? It's a sound I've never heard before until I reinstalled right now. It's p annoying

[wild grove]

Sometimes the party notif sound plays when you queue, usually with a empty box that shows up for a bit before going away.

[fathom eagle]

Any way to hard disable it?

[wild grove]

I think you can make a mod that replaces the sound with nothing.

[fathom eagle]

By the way, I keep reading on this server that you ought to have antialiasing disabled to use transparent viewmodels... But I've always been able to use them with the MSAA on. Am I a rare breed? Am I the chosen one?

[summer steeple]

its not that you need it disabled, its that it literally does not function with transparent viewmodels

the game doesn't apply the anti-aliasing to the image

its a side effect of how transparent viewmodels are possible (essentially hijacking motion blur functionality)

[uncut spear]

I've wondered if using driver AA would help with that since I know AMD has a type of AA that does shit with transparent stuff

[fathom eagle]

Huh?? It really is working though

[fathom eagle]

I swear

[fathom eagle]

I've turned MSAA on and off. Get transparency either way, clear difference in the jaggies. It's working

[high current]

What hud are you using? If it’s xhud and you have the “reduced blur” transparent viewmodels then antialiasing will work on most of the screen, because the transparent viewmodel texture doesn’t cover the full screen on that case.
But to my knowledge that’s the only hud that implementation.

[fathom eagle]

Toonhud

The MSAA is having an effect on more than just the viewmodel though

The transparent viewmodels do have a "blur" that applies to the entire screen, but underneath that the MSAA is 100% working

[high current]

Ah. I don’t think that uses any special texture. My guess is that transparent viewmodels introduce an inherent blur to the screen. Which is basically the same as what FXAA does to smooth jaggies. So maybe that’s what’s going on.

[fathom eagle]

It is similar looking to FXAA (the blur)
But are you saying I'm mistaking that for the MSAA?

[high current]

It’s possible. Or maybe something changed in the 64 bit update. I haven’t heard anyone talk about any change to transparent viewmodels since then, but I also haven’t heard anyone bother to check.

[fathom eagle]

This is how it's worked for me for years

[high current]

Or maybe ToonHud figured out a new way of doing blurless transparent viewmodels, I kinda doubt it. But there’s been crazier things in huds.

[fathom eagle]

No, no. The transparent viewmodels do have that blur you're talking about. It's just that MSAA is totally working as well

[high current]

Yeh but if they are drawing over the world geometry, then it should disable antialiasing on everything that is under it.

[wild grove]

does it sound like this btw?

[fathom eagle]

Nah it's not that one. If it was that HL one I wouldn't even complain lol

[wild grove]

huh, that's odd then

[fathom eagle]

The sound only plays when I'm alt tabbed I think

MSAA off / MSAA x8

[wild grove]

I never heard this one before.

[fathom eagle]

I hope Discord doesn't destroy the fine details

[kind falcon]

mann co purchase

[fathom eagle]

It did not! As you can see the transparent viewmodel is working on both, as is the game respecting the respective MSAA settings. The transparent viewmodel 'blur' is present either way as well

[wild grove]

didn't they say not to use anti aliasing when transparent viewmodels are enabled?

[fathom eagle]

At least with Toonhud, the only real things I had to do to get them working was disabling Color Correction and Motion Blur

[fathom eagle]

They did. But like, they're working fine?

[high current]

It does appear to be working.

[fathom eagle]

That's why I want to know if I'm the messiah or whatever

Now if I could only get rid of the blur...

[high current]

Xhud kinda does that.

[fathom eagle]

Is there any way I could use their implementation with Toonhud? Just to see what happens..

[high current]

Not really get rid of it. But it only applies it to the quadrant where the viewmodel is, and blends smoothly to the rest of the screen. So if you look hard you can notice where the blur begins, but in gameplay you don’t really notice.

You could download the texture from xhud’s GitHub in material/vgui/transparent_viewmodels. Then just pull the .vtf for the right-handed reduced blur, and drop it wherever ToonHud has its texture. Just gotta make sure you rename the replacement to whatever ToonHud had its original texture.

[fathom eagle]

I'll try that right now

[high current]

Some of the recommended settings control things like if you ADS as sniper, the metal doors at some spawns will be transparent. Which is a bit cheaty in casual and bannable in community competitive leagues.

You won’t get instantly banned if you happen to use the wrong settings. But if you notice it and don’t try to avoid it or try to exploit it in a match, you’ll get penalized.

[left sand]

@next nymph what was the exact reason for disabling MSAA with refracts?

[fathom eagle]

I'm assuming that last one is the texture

(for Toonhud)

[high current]

Transparent.vtf yeh.

[fathom eagle]

Interesting, why are there so many?

[high current]

iirc it’s just that it doesn’t work, so may as well disable it.

[high current]

Use the transparent_right.vtf if you wanna test the reduced blur.
But xhud has so many because I have in game customization menus. And since the blur is directly proportional to the transparency of the view models, I give people the option to use whatever version they find to be the best balance of transparency and blur.

Plus my textures are like 30 bytes or something compared to the 256kb of other huds’.

[wild grove]

me when blue

[fathom eagle]

It appears I've met my match

[velvet raft]

https://youtu.be/68ugkg9RePc

for a 20 year old i do a lot of millenial jokes

[high current]

Weird. That’s not even what the texture looks like. Does it look like that in game too?

[rare creek]

use directx 9.5

[high current]

They were using other transparent view models fine. So either something is goofy in toonhud, or something in how the vtf was swapped in.

My guess would be there’s some whack stuff in the .vmt file for some reason. But that’s completely unfounded so idk.

[fathom eagle]

Already am. It's okay, I can still use transparent viewmodel implementation from Toonhud. Just wanted to combine it with the Xhud one. So I just reverted back.

Further curiosities I found testing the Toonhud transparent viewmodel implementation:

• Enabling mat_motion_blur_enabled 1 reduced the blur... Massively? And transparent viewmodels continue to work

• Motion blur looks slightly reduced on my TF2 install. That could be because I turned it off through mastercomfig. But when I change that setting (mat_motion_blur_enabled) it does work, just slight

• I can completely disable the motion blur effect with mat_motion_blur_percent_of_screen_max 0, and the reduction of the transparent viewmodel blur STILL works.

Conclusion:
With Toonhud, for some reason, I can use transparent viewmodels, get rid of the blur, keep MSAA on, keep motion blur on (apparently) and it's all fine. All that's needed is turning off color correction (the objective glow doesn't get in the way of any of this either)

So yeah

That's my life story

[next nymph]

note: motion blur is just a reliable way to get refracts to work on the hud. It's not really specific to motion blur though, it's more closely related to water/jarate/etc. overlays

[next nymph]

refracts just don't use any AA so its like a transparent non-AA overlay on top of your AA screen. Looks weird IMO

[spring kestrel]

on the topic of antialiasing what's the severity of the slow clear created by amd cards on linux/macos?

[rare creek]

it's not clear, however, you can make it slower by enabling gl_clear 1 to make it clear twice for good measure

[eternal haven]

There is no macos

[hidden gyro]

HOW DO I GIT GUD AT MELEE HIT REG

(incl demo)

[fleet kite]

Play mastercoms tf2

[high current]

Am I the only person that finds melee hit reg to be fine? The mechanics aren’t the most initiative but I don’t find I get bad hitreg any more than I would with hit scan weapons.

[left sand]

melee hitreg can be jank still because of the swing delay

but generally the hitreg itself is better than bullets

[high current]

Yeh there’s the swing delay and being blocked by teammates, but with those in mind my hitreg has been fine.

[drowsy marlin]

yeah teammates blocking melee is ass but I'm okay with swing delay

swing delay is more of a balancing thing than jank

[high current]

There’s also the weird interaction with ping where guys with 100 ping will have arms the length of a school bus. But that’s more of an issue of being on the receiving end of melee.

[drowsy marlin]

plus it's 100 ping

that's entirely region dependent and vary player to player

[high current]

Yeh. And I’m not sure it’s unique to melee, there’s plenty of times a heavy playing from Australia will be shooting you a half second after you’re undeniably out of their line of sight. But it’s most obvious with melee in my experience.

[spring kestrel]

I've had very short periods of time where I very consistently get denied the melee hit but overall the hit registration has been fine from my experience

[spring kestrel]

I love those so much, it brings me immense pain but it's always so goofy

[wispy shale]

i've had plenty of times where the melee hit sound plays but doesn't actually register, but that might just be ping shenanigans

teammates eating melee hits is actual bullshit though, that needs to go

[high current]

I’d agree with that. I’m frustrated by teammates blocking melee more than any shitreg. But I also don’t melee often so it’s not a major frustration of mine, but it just generally doesn’t make sense.
I assume there’s some reason for it. Maybe it’s something related to engi buildings or the disciplinary action. But I feel like those could just have unique handling if that’s the case.

Or maybe they gotta protect the medieval mode balance.

[velvet raft]

can someone explain to me which servers quickplay sends you to?

official or community servers?

[radiant merlin]

community

[velvet raft]

any one?

[radiant merlin]

it won't send you to trade_plaza

[eternal haven]

Basically any server that meets the requirements outlined on the site and that hasn't been manually blacklisted

[summer steeple]

the idea is to send players to essentially vanilla servers

just community ones

so plugins like rtd are not allowed, custom gamemodes are not allowed, only some custom maps are whitelisted

[rare creek]

tf2 serverd

[velvet raft]

tf2 ate

[radiant merlin]

xd

[rare creek]

if theyre telling the truth then i agree

[wild grove]

judging by the reactions, it's prolly the latter

[floral sandal]

they’re not. supposedly plagiarized other people’s investigative work into tf2 mechanics on their own. also Led didn’t make a github report about the issue themselves prior so Led is getting pissy for no reason

[unborn pecan]

where is this?

[radiant merlin]

source github

[unborn pecan]

source-osx-linux?

found it....

[spare obsidian]

quickly someone mentions the homophobia evidence on the github issue

[unborn pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/508272488610922497.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=funkeuhh

THE WHAT EVIDENCE

also brodspy i love your pfp....

[green tulip]

I thought it was transphobia? or has that not gone public yet?

[potent wolf]

oh yay our weekly dose of stupid bugtracker "drama"

[unborn pecan]

hi replay

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1184599007629152336.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=wavey~1

[spare obsidian]

yeah transphobia

[unborn pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/666008714393944064.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=funkeHmm

TF2 content creators try not to be transphobic challenge

[small siren]

*TF2 content

creators try not to be

transphobic challenge*

- potasiummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmicrowave

[spare obsidian]

thankyou

[potent wolf]

tf2 players have something better to talk about challenge

[unborn pecan]

https://tenor.com/kypqRiAchic.gif

[wild grove]

oh so like the cake DMCA?

[floral sandal]

idk what that is

[wild grove]

The TF2 cake situation is crazy.

[floral sandal]

should I care

[wild grove]

Nah

[eternal haven]

Isn't LED the one who makes videos from the github issues

[floral sandal]

yes lol

[eternal haven]

He made a video about the item panel sv_cheats thing

just for clicks

[green tulip]

by "cake" do you mean food or body part?

[wild grove]

food

[floral sandal]

and often incorrectly describes the issue or underlying logic

[unborn pecan]

🎂

yummy

yummers.

[jagged pawn]

when is LED patching the bug where nasa says the earth is round

he should post on their github about it

[rare creek]

i agree 100%

[frosty coral]

YouTubers attempt to use Source-1-Games github issues correctly challenge (impossible)

[rare creek]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/6041

this u?

[frosty coral]

yes

hey at least it didn't get closed for being irrelevant, only because it was a duplicate!

tbh I thought discussing how the game's development can be better managed overall was enough of a distinguishing trait from the other issue, which was more focused on technical aspects.

[rare creek]

do you use github wondering where the reddit awards button is

[small siren]

*do you use github

wondering where the reddit

awards button is*

- totallynotniteruxiswear

[left sand]

im pretty sure msb apologized for that

so no need to hound him

[rare creek]

oh okay

[sonic cliff]

Ledari transphobia?? :( I feel so lied to

[rare creek]

why is Ledari?

[sonic cliff]

Every time I think I enjoy a tf2 YouTuber their usually a hack

So sad

[rare creek]

i will always think it's silly to say downvote in a github context though

That's about it though i dont have too strongly of an opinion about it, it's just that so many people go into github issues without the behavior that it's a place for professional development, filing issues and suggestions, not for support or complaints.

[rare creek]

sorrgy

[frosty coral]

Yeah in retrospect it wasn't the smartest idea nor was it necessary, however this was at a time where the entire community was at its boiling point and other avenues had been exhausted without success.

In general it's not appropriate to do that.

Boy was I mad that day

[spring kestrel]

Completely understandable

[velvet raft]

it's a shame, where else can i get my Source Engine content? 😔

[velvet raft]

did the Portal cake found his way into TF2?

[wild grove]

Yes :D (not really)

[tough locust]

why does credit matter in a GitHub bug report tho all that matters is if the bug gets fixed or not come on now

[tough locust]

true I love seeing tf2 drama it's the only thing that keeps me going, people need to lie more often in the community

[velvet raft]

okay

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[kind falcon]

ego

[next drum]

The TFtuber landscape is a fucking minefield

you'll get into their stuff and realise they've said some of the worst shit

I swear the entire Source engine game scene is cursed to have literally some of the worst people in it

[sonic cliff]

Mass source psychosis

[next drum]

dont drink the water
they put something in it to make you a bigoted piece of shit

[wild grove]

That cause most of em are old grandpas that come from a time on the internet where there was no zero tolerance for bullshit.

[unborn pecan]

FUNKe is AWESOME SAUCE

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1055994572385304586.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=STEAMHAPPYSPIN

[paper sluice]

Fax my brother..,. Spit yo shit..,.

[summer steeple]

does funke even count as a tf2ber

[unborn pecan]

Historical status

[unborn pecan]

🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[velvet raft]

hey only i can post Half-Life 2 text boxs

[velvet raft]

do it quick

[tough locust]

someone's gotta stop him from being so depressed his personal-log type videos have a profound sadness to them

[high current]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I don’t think it’s an issue unique to tf2 YouTube, I just think it’s where it is brought to the TF2 player community the most apparently. Celebrities (relatively speaking) have been fuckin weirdos for as long as there have been celebrities.

There’s probably some explanation for why perceived fame brings out the worst in people. Maybe it’s the fact that people always value their opinions so they are never inclined to challenge their own flawed opinions.

[velvet raft]

can you explain it in Fornite terms

[mystic turtle]

my brain is mildly fried by the heat, I'm barely pulling through with homemade posca and a bit of a breeze
but essentially it's like

• TF2's community is significantly older, much of the old guard hails from the "wild 4chan west" era of the net where people were more insensitive
• fame leads to people having feelings of invincibility, so they don't really feel as obliged to change any harmful beliefs they have

hope that's clear enough
(also btw, how ya doing? It's been some time)

[broken haven]

when ur cracked you can do whatever u want

[next drum]

i'm not even just talking about tftubers or people that are "famous" in the scene, the community for tf2 is just rancid as a whole

i've never seen such rampant vitriol in any game, it rivals League

[crisp cedar]

a lot of people fail to keep in mind that gaming communities are rarely isolated from each other

i hate when people attribute things to a community when in reality its gaming culture as a whole

[next drum]

you do have a point, honestly

[crisp cedar]

like think about those xbox cod lobbies

funny as fuck but extremely toxic

nobody minded because thats just how everyone was

and people havent grown out of that yet

[kind falcon]

we're not getting less of this anytime soon

js

[high current]

Valve’s war on aliases continues. In this case it’s specifically targets at SOCD which is basically hardware null-movement scripts. But they did so by disabling keybinds with more than 1 assigned action.

I think it’d be funny if it broke the Escape key, since it’s bound by Volvo to more than 1 function.

[mystic anchor]

clearly, this spy did not respect the sightlines

[potent wolf]

ui_scaling_test

🤔

[radiant merlin]

huh

4k fix i guess

maybe the vgui update too?

[indigo flume]

Just tried it, yeah it fixes VGUI scaling at 4K

[radiant merlin]

btw

have you noticed that the usual tf2 stutters are now somewhat "faster"?

i mean, i haven't play tf2 for some days but i thought when tf2 was stuttering it wasn't playing sounds anymore

and now it does

but faster than before the 64 bits update

[rare creek]

there is no chance

[summer steeple]

yeah they are a lot faster after the x64 update

[indigo flume]

idk lol

make of it what you @rare creek

the console is actually readable, good enough for me xd

[rare creek]

that's not real

[radiant merlin]

but the thing is that now the sound plays lol

[rare creek]

i put ui_scaling_test into my console and it went beep invalid command

[indigo flume]

it'll work one day

just believe

[kind falcon]

does it just scale up or does it have a parameter

[indigo flume]

i quite literally just opted into the beta build, removed all my mods from custom and launched the game

I have no clue about other resolutions, but it seems to do the thing

[kind falcon]

im dumbo

i havent checked the branches

[indigo flume]

i have noticed the main menu still showing up in the loadout screen slightly but that's about it

[radiant merlin]

vgui moment

[indigo flume]

very true

[summer steeple]

i'm kinda surprised they just randomly dropped a beta branch tbh

[potent wolf]

vgui_ui_scale_factor

[kind falcon]

whats the min and max

[potent wolf]

999 crashes the game

[summer steeple]

-9,223,372,036,854,775,808 to +9,223,372,036,854,775,807

[indigo flume]

well if you set it to 0 it's more or less the same as before

[small siren]

*well if you set it

to 0 it's more or less

the same as before*

- lindon

[indigo flume]

thank you bot

[summer steeple]

0 probably just uses default

[potent wolf]

I think anything below 1 just defaults to 1

[rare creek]

WHAT

beta build???

[potent wolf]

yes

[summer steeple]

thats... what we're talking about

[potent wolf]

please use brain

[summer steeple]

#dev-log📻

i guess we didn't really clarify what we were talking about

[indigo flume]

[rare creek]

deadlick

[indigo flume]

you win this time

[summer steeple]

i don't make the rules

[rare creek]

ok but ign published a fucking article on it whatever it's literally no secret

[summer steeple]

ok we're not ign

[indigo flume]

is what it is, we're here to talk vgui not that

[summer steeple]

and i don't make the rules

[indigo flume]

my fault

[summer steeple]

but yeah vgui

[potent wolf]

death to vgui

[summer steeple]

panorama 4 lyfe

[rare creek]

holy shit this update is so awesome....

[indigo flume]

0.5-1 seems to do things, anything below 0.5 nah, just seems to be no scaling

Everytime I set a command it also seems to forget the last command I inputted so I have to manually retype the command in, oh the humanity

it also seems to work above 1, i tried 10 and uhhhh

submit ig lol

[summer steeple]

SUBMIT

[indigo flume]

[rare creek]

holy sxhit this update fixes the max font size

[potent wolf]

vgui_ui_scale_width and vgui_ui_scale_height were also added

[left sand]

omg

wow

holy fuck they figured out how to have bigger fonts?

[rare creek]

yup

who's working onm this should i just ping them and be like "ily forever pookie <3" with a screenshot of the update

[spare obsidian]

They already did waaay back in the l4d1

and alien swarm days

literally in asw and l4d1 the vgui1 panels gets scaled base on your resolution lol

[summer steeple]

no way

[spare obsidian]

https://github.com/NicolasDe/AlienSwarm/blob/master/src/game/client/swarm/gameui/optionsdialog.cpp#L44

[rare creek]

@high current the vgui1 fonts in xhud need to be updated to remove yres

[summer steeple]

that doesn't appear to be a new function they use, interestingly

so i'm not sure its related

tf2 has the bounds not scaled there but the function GetProportionalScaledValueEx does exist and is used

[spare obsidian]

its new in the context of the tf2 branch

[summer steeple]

its at least as old as dod

[spare obsidian]

they seem like they're going to do what they did for asw gameui but let players fine tune the scaling

something something asw and l4d1 and 2 doesn't have

its something like this

[rare creek]

wrong!

[summer steeple]

i didn't say they used it on the options menu

i just said the function is not new

so i don't think its related to the fix

[spare obsidian]

the option menu was a example i pick because ain't way i'm reinstalling the game again for that lol

[summer steeple]

yeah i get that

[spare obsidian]

but basically is "new" in the sence its being utilize in gameui.dll

and at this point they should move gameui to the client.dll lol

[rare creek]

gameui.dll is xbox 360 stuff

[spare obsidian]

well yes but actually no

[spare obsidian]

like during the tc2 days i keep hearing that having the gameui in client.dll could improve the loading times a bit because the engine wouldn't wait for gameui.dll to load and be initialize

[eternal haven]

Maybe this is what messed up friends list performance a bit ago?

Nvm didn't realize it's beta only

[high current]

Adding font scaling out of nowhere is interesting. What is the potted plant cooking? Any theory crafting to be done?

[left sand]

no it isnt

[high current]

TF3 inbound

[rare creek]

team fortress franchise ruined

patch notes:

• custom folder removed
• null binds removed
• game now runs slow instead of fast

[orchid sorrel]

• poop removed

[eternal haven]

Well it's kind of more than just font scaling isn't it?

You already could change the font size

[high current]

• added movement inaccuracy
• capped movement speed at 10 hu/s

[eternal haven]

But not the sizes of any of the buttons or lists or menus and stuff

[rare creek]

randomized jump heights

• moving mouse too fast now bans your steam account

[high current]

Font scaling had a cap that was basically just enough for 2.5k resolution. It scaling further is huge. Also it was thought to be a ton of work.

[eternal haven]

Well it probably was a ton of work

Also the cap was really only an issue for like health and ammo

For the ui fonts size 128 is plenty even for like 8k

Most of the ui fonts are like size 11 to 30

I wonder if joshie did it or someone else

[left sand]

they literally used scaleform and panorama because they didnt solve this lol

[eternal haven]

I liked scaleform in csgo

[high current]

I think at 4k the max font size was 28. Which is like just enough to get by most of the time. But basically no buffer for if 5k, 6k, or 8k screens. And no room for using small fonts or large banner fonts.

[eternal haven]

Oh you mean like max size before it would get cut off due to other elements staying the same size?

In current tf2 I'm fairly sure you can make the console, options dialog, server browser, etc. all use massive size 128 fonts that are way too big

But most of the surrounding ui (almost everything that's not a font) has its size hardcoded somewhere

[rare creek]

no

most of vgui1's dialogs aren't hardcoded

[eternal haven]

A lot of things are in tf2, I looked at it a while ago

[small siren]

*A lot of things are

in tf2, I looked at

it a while ago*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[eternal haven]

Window sizes, list element and column sizes, I think buttons too

[rare creek]

well ive actually modded those dialogs

[eternal haven]

Mod the server browser to have wider columns

Or the options window to be bigger

[rare creek]

there's a file for it but the game immediately overrides whatever you put in there

[high current]

127 is the max font size, but that scales in size inversely to resolution. So there’s automatic font resizing used for most UI things, but it’s still using the same system, so max font size is 127/(yres/480)

[rare creek]

was

[eternal haven]

I'm definitely surprised to see that they implemented this

Seems like a ton of things would have to be ripped out and changed

[eternal haven]

Interesting didn't know yres mattered

[high current]

Yres being the vertical resolution of your monitor. Not the vgui yres parameter, to be clear.

[high current]

I mean still currently is on the release version.

[eternal haven]

I mean I can go above font size 42 on 1440p

It looks like I can go all the way up to 127

and it still makes it bigger

I just tested with the console font

[high current]

Console font doesn’t auto scale.

Client scheme does

[eternal haven]

Ah

Most of the menu UI elements like the dialogs and server browser and stuff use sourcescheme though don't they?

[high current]

The stuff that looks straight out of 1995 use source scheme. The stuff that looks modern-ish like the main menu itself and your health and stuff, use client scheme

[eternal haven]

The stuff that's hardest to read in 4k is the source scheme stuff

At least for me

[unborn pecan]

hi prismies

wwrong srever

hi mastercomfigies

[high current]

Yeh I think source scheme by default stop scaling at 2.5k res, and since source scheme font scaling is very noticeable the lack of adjustment to 4k makes it teeny tiny

[left sand]

the reason was the old windows font rendering couldnt allocate larger glyphs without corrupting

so they probably redid the entire windows font rendering

[summer steeple]

wait... if they redid it, that might mean we get emojis on windows!

cause i remember that was one of the limiting factors, was that windows font rendering was so old and dated that it was too much of a pain

[left sand]

they probably ported the freetype linux font renderer to windows

[high current]

Yeh I’m just curious what prompted them to go through with all this work. Unless they just had the font rework sitting in their back pocket for a decade and just hadn’t pushed it. Or maybe Joshie is a custom hud enjoyer.

[left sand]

especially considering how the fonts look

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/112010089547780096/1275645534492692562/image.png?ex=66c6a4fb&is=66c5537b&hm=220638ac8ed837186ce5637c7874253b811eff3f5a15f0342ace134312202d40&

[high current]

Time for me to make my hud dev Christmas wishlist to Valve

[orchid sorrel]

Im normally not a fan of this skin

but i kinda like it on the bbox

[left sand]

this doesnt look like windows, it looks like freetype

but idk

could be just how they implemented it

but it would make sense if joshie did it, for it to just be a port of the linux freetype rendering

i guess the best way to tell is if linux font bugs now appear on windows

like medic ammo

[potent wolf]

is there a freetype dll in the bin folder?

[high current]

What’s wrong with medic ammo?

[left sand]

the syringe gun

it ...

[orchid sorrel]

the syringe gun in a nutshell

[high current]

Oh huh. Does engi’s pistol do that on linux too?

[left sand]

cant they just vendor it? is there a freetype library used on linux?

[potent wolf]

iirc they use the steam runtime version

[left sand]

im pretty sure its vendored for linux but i could be wrong

maybe its changed now

theres no freetype dll at least

[high current]

Does freetype automatically antialias? Because this screenshot definitely looks like it has antialiasing on the fonts.

[left sand]

well theres no emoji support

[high current]

I wonder if that means we could get antialiased-shadowed fonts. That’d be pretty neato for things like hud crosshairs.

[left sand]

no linux font bug

so i guess its not anything like that

[high current]

Are the fonts actually the same size as before this? Or did it get the weird 1.2x enlargement that Linux has?

[spare obsidian]

they literally did it

check the link i send

[high current]

Idk if that was introduced by the font renderer or some other source spaghetti

[left sand]

i dont think you know what im talking about

[potent wolf]

it just uses the steam runtime freetype library, but at least in the leaked code they vendored the headers.

[left sand]

ah ok

are we sure this is a vgui2 change?

[eternal haven]

Is font antialiasing forced on linux tf2?