Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[radiant merlin]

i just realized, the "gas" string is now in uppercase

[jagged pawn]

was it not before

[radiant merlin]

no

mmm wait it's not wtf

[kind falcon]

GAS!

[radiant merlin]

oh it's the hud

[mystic turtle]

I think I actually did this sorta, with the huntsman
switching to Jarate/an SMG and back negates the long cooldown between Huntsman shots where Sniper has to rack another arrow, I believe
so it did help me fire a bit faster (still couldn't aim the shots for shit tho)

[mystic turtle]

I get the golden pan is legendary but it's literally just a mass of pixels on a screen. why complain about a pan that someone knowingly deleted. it's their stuff, they do what they want with it

there will always be more pans to come as long as people still play mann up and the item servers stay running

[orchid sorrel]

honestly idc but i recognize this greg guy

hes pretty infamous toxic mann up player

I played mecha once with coms and he was just spamming nbombs in the voice chat with another dude

i think these same two were also spectator griefing coms in mecha when that was also going on

[wild grove]

the only times I accept someone destroying pixels is for charity or just for the lols

[teal sand]

yes it is a mass of pixels on the screen but it can also be one of these so like

its insanely stupid to delete one unless youre just filthy rich

[mystic turtle]

what if that's exactly what this guy is trying to do
tick off people with this craziness

I mean with what DrCactus is saying about this doofus making Tacobot look like a buncha amateurs

[teal sand]

you'd have to be pretty well off to destroy a pan tho

[mystic turtle]

also, dw, I could tell you didn't mind it at all, I was moreso directing that to the people calling him a doofus in the chat

[orchid sorrel]

true although he got his pan from mann up

[unborn pecan]

or mentally ill

@naive prawn hi

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1055994572385304586.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=STEAMHAPPYSPIN

[naive prawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1139310178781646848/1139311842695598150/golly.gif

wow there like only one message from me that I can search before this

[small siren]

*wow there like only

one message from me that I

can search before this*

- pieceofpaypur

[naive prawn]

probably because mastercoms keeps changing the channels

[potent wolf]

tf2 megathread v483.5

[unborn pecan]

tf2 megathread 1

[high current]

You have to be pretty well off to play enough MvM to find a golden pan too

[velvet raft]

peaches is your pfp implying that you're gay or that you have a vivid "imagination"?

[high current]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-imagination-rainbow-happy-gif-4596954

[slender nexus]

if they're gonna delete it at least use it for charity man ☹️

[high current]

I mean maybe the dude recognized he had a gambling addiction unironically and that was how he made a big move to himself to stop🤷‍♂️

[glass musk]

hate this shit

please valve make the text scale with 4K and up resolutions

[high current]

Apparently that would be pretty much impossible in the current engine.

[rare creek]

not rlly

why would it be

just like

width*proportion

height*proportion

fontsize*proportion

boom

scaling

[midnight cape]

Yea, they have the source code so they can fix it. Already did on half life 1

[high current]

Oh thought you were referring to the 127 font size limit, not the lack of font scaling in VGUI1 elements

[rare creek]

127 font size limit is easy too just replace the font rendering engine with something that isnt stupid and dumb like freetype2

[broken haven]

the mge strat

i knew this one guy who would rocket then shotgun it was so annoying

[high current]

Throwback to when mge was just implied rocket launcher + shotgun.

[mystic anchor]

the deflect

[kind falcon]

degreaser user

[mystic anchor]

of course

i love the degreaser

[kind falcon]

frowning2

[mystic anchor]

there's nothing wrong with the degreaser + i got like 5 stranges i have to get to hale's own

[orchid sorrel]

phlog speech bubble

[mystic anchor]

phlog 💀

[kind falcon]

imlove phlog

[orchid sorrel]

I must admit, I do have a decked out phlog

👼

I need to give my deg more love tho

[wild grove]

I use a tie

[glass musk]

it ain't collectors though

[orchid sorrel]

collectors sux tho

[glass musk]

nah

[orchid sorrel]

actually can you have a strange collectors phlog

[glass musk]

yeah

[heavy solar]

@glass musk has leveled up! (15 ➜ 16)

[glass musk]

it's overpriced

mfw

[kind falcon]

mfw scm pricing

[orchid sorrel]

apparently the gpan deletion guy got his pan back from steam support

[summer steeple]

"valve pls help my cat stepped on my keyboard and mouse in the perfect way to delete my golden pan btw here's my cat"

https://tenor.com/view/milly-silly-cat-silly-silly-milly-happy-cat-gif-13373795408567336440

[kind falcon]

lol

why is it that ref to key prices keep going down

its like at 5 year low now

[mystic turtle]

inflation

or deflation

idk if youre saying "more ref needed for keys" or "a ref is now a bigger fraction of a key"

[kind falcon]

looks like neither

key price go down.. ref price go up

[tough locust]

why the coal pit filter

[orchid sorrel]

cuz the naughty prefix is funny

and i dont care about pvp kills on phlog

there are some guns that I basically only use in mvm, so I just give them a filter I like

[high current]

Just wait till you see the collector’s gunboats pricing

[kind falcon]

imlove prof ks gunboats

[tough locust]

y do u have random filters on them tho like taunting player kills

[high current]

I have a set of spec ks collectors gunboats. Total it cost me $90 to craft in like 2018 or something.

I regret not buying a blank pro ks for them, because at the time those were $200 and I was like “naw those are too expensive”. Now those blank pro ks kits are like nearly more valuable than a golden pan.

[orchid sorrel]

it was on it when my friend gave me it

[glass musk]

its surprisingly? less than other sites

[kind falcon]

prob someone had to quicksell one

[drowsy marlin]

that's an awesome war paint you got

one of my favs

[summer steeple]

shoutouts to this person with the assist

[rare creek]

should name my balloonicorn this

[kind falcon]

they call them chicken

[potent wolf]

Hen

[slender nexus]

erm

[mystic anchor]

thank you i got more

[teal sand]

jcapps lol

[high current]

what is jcapps?

[heavy solar]

@high current has leveled up! (20 ➜ 21)

[teal sand]

guy who had a burning tc and like 3 houwars who got vac banned from the lbox vac wave in 2016 and wrote a giant essay sob story about how it was actually on purpose

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-what-the-floppity-flip-wgat-whar-gif-16267048566435146304

[summer steeple]

so i just found out that the "show matchmaking" button in the settings menu
A. exists
B. doesn't work

the command doesn't exist

[eternal haven]

Are you guys able to play a demo completely offline in the current version of tf2?

In past versions this was always an option

I can't get it working now, tf2 just crashes with a null dereference or something

eg. open tf2 with no steam open and play a demo

[potent wolf]

its crashing for me too

[eternal haven]

I swear this used to work

[potent wolf]

yeah

[eternal haven]

actually just tested with a version of tf2 from a year ago and it works

for sure

[potent wolf]

shouldn't be crashing either way, since if you load a map it'll just not let you join the server

[eternal haven]

yeah but demos skip that

[left sand]

https://www.teamfortress.com/gunmettle/powerhouse/

[summer steeple]

what is this like plaintext patchnotes lol

[kind falcon]

imlove powerhouse

[jagged pawn]

lol I forgot it was originally called the manndate

such a bad name

[left sand]

the Claidhomieh

https://www.diffchecker.com/3ZLRsMtK/

[summer steeple]

bazaar bargin

a couple interesting changes in these patchnotes

"Now has 50% close range damage bonus that all scatterguns have"

extra damage on burning toargets (on top of minicrits?)

this would've been kind of crazy for vacc

dalakoh's was 15s instead of 10s

and most importantly someone called the dead ringer damage resist "armor"

[eternal haven]

Turns out the limitation is completely artificial and dxlevel 81 works fine with the dxvk that ships with tf2

[summer steeple]

completely unsurprised

that valve does not want people to use dx8

[eternal haven]

on linux it would be a massive hassle to get it working though because there are so many checks and stuff that expect no dxlevel 81 on linux

but on windows it's like 1 check preventing you from using dxlevel 81 with dxvk

but yeah the dxvk that comes with tf2 is from before they 'added dx8 support' to it

[summer steeple]

huh

[eternal haven]

so tf2's dxlevel 8 is really d3d9 shader model 1

[summer steeple]

so thats like

definitive proof that dxlevel 80 is not dx8

weird

[eternal haven]

well idk what the difference is really

maybe dx8 is fully a subset of dx9

[summer steeple]

i have to assume that at some point it was dx8 cause that seems like it would be a massive oversight

[eternal haven]

no clue

[summer steeple]

if the idea was dxlevel80 for compat

[eternal haven]

regardless it never creates a d3d8 device, only d3d9

too lazy to download some 2007 version of tf2 and check if that uses a d3d8 device but I sort of doubt it would

[summer steeple]

it has to

there's no way they would release a game with dx8 support for the express purpose of compat if it still requires dx9

unless it literally is some weird feature d3d9 has to somehow still be dx8

[eternal haven]

not all d3d9 devices necessarily support the same features do they?

[summer steeple]

idk much about this stuff

but i would assume that in order to be compatible with systems that don't support dx9 it would have to be a d3d8 device

maybe i'm wrong and its some d3d9 device back compat setting

[eternal haven]

who knows

from what I can tell, dxlevel 8 in tf2 creates a d3d9 device but tries not to use any shader model 2.0 features

[summer steeple]

i guess not?

this is specifically from like d3d5 to d3d9

with d3d10 it has mandatory requirements

so yeah, I guess it is just a d3d9 device, but using only dx8 things

or maybe not only dx8 things

but like

not dx9 features

kinda neat that they did that but it does seem like it could potentially be a massive pain in the ass so i see why they stopped with dx10

[eternal haven]

Well I'm sure some linux users would like to use dxlevel 81 graphics

too bad they can't due to artificial limitations

[velvet raft]

me when trying to buy cheap materials for art stuff

imagine a shooter where you shoot piss to enemies instead of cooler bullets like the explosive ones

oh wait, there's one

what was it called

hmmmm

i wonder

ah yeah, Overwatch

[mystic anchor]

in today's sesh of tf2:
racism
transphobia
compliments
salt

[heavy solar]

@mystic anchor has leveled up! (50 ➜ 51)

[mystic anchor]

we are gaming

[turbid hill]

We love the TF2 community <3

(I disable chat messages and voice chat for that reason)

[mystic anchor]

i have them enabled because i need that salt

[turbid hill]

I hate that salt lol

But I'm glad you're able to deal with it

[mystic anchor]

over the years i've built a mental wall

so it's easier for me to deal with said salt

[left sand]

i dont think its healthy to need it

[glass musk]

Playing without chat must be kind of weird. I guess if you're playing on US servers, it's much less weird since people actually talk there in voice chat. But disabling voice chat too? The most fun I've had playing TF2 was on US servers, where more than half of the players were talking in VC and just having a good time

[turbid hill]

EU servers actually

I've never really had a lot of fun VC moments

I've had a better time recently when trying out community servers properly for the first time

[glass musk]

EU is horrible with VC, yeah

[turbid hill]

Maybe it's because servers tend to mix players who don't always speak the same language or something like that?

I'm not too sure

I don't really mind it though

[glass musk]

Also, by disabling chat you miss out on duels which are really fun in my opinion. If you're bored, just duel someone and you'll have a reason to keep playing

[turbid hill]

I don't actually really like one on one competition lol but I've never tried duels

I am rather bored of TF2 already but I'd play a lot more of it if I had friends to play with

None of my IRL friends own PCs capable of running it though

[mystic anchor]

maybe not

but it's free entertainment

[left sand]

theres better things for your brain state

[glass musk]

like a cheeseburger

[turbid hill]

I used to think I was immune to all the toxicity but then as I grew up I realised it was just annoying

[wispy shale]

having racist assholes in chat is only funny if you're actively trolling them

otherwise it's just really annoying and i'd prefer for them to go outside for once in their lives

[mystic anchor]

enjoy this snipe and an insane level of survivability

[kind falcon]

what do u use for clips. why do your videos have no thumbnails

[small siren]

*what do u use for

clips. why do your videos

have no thumbnails*

- lowrule

[mystic anchor]

shadowplay for clips
vegas is for some reason like that

[kind falcon]

ew

shadowplay

grow up

[mystic anchor]

wdym

[kind falcon]

obs

[paper sluice]

Obs eats all my resources like a hoe

🖕

[kind falcon]

skill issue

[mystic anchor]

i’m sticking with the simple

shadowplay does the jib

job

[kind falcon]

the jib and the job

[mystic anchor]

exactly

[paper sluice]

September 12, 2024

[kind falcon]

what about it

thats when the third world war is going to start

approximatelly

[mystic anchor]

i shall be the cause for ww3

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/soggy-cat-shark-ssoggycat-twitter-gif-7750215360884022648

[mystic anchor]

[uncut spear]

I can't explain it but you play like I've seen a lot of pyros play like

not a bad thing either there just seems to be patterns or smthn

also I like how your hit sound sounds like mini basketballs :3

[tough locust]

gonna B real u should use one of the built-in graphics card recording programs they're already using up the memory anyway

[paper sluice]

At least my game can go past 30 fps 🙏

[wild grove]

Can't believe 9/11 is getting a sequel, 23 years later, called 9/12 lmao

[kind falcon]

why is bro recording on his cpu

[paper sluice]

I’m not ☹️

[kind falcon]

user issue

[mystic turtle]

as in, crazy as shit tracking skills?
I've rarely been able to achieve it but it's insanely satisfying when you start aiming like a fucking sentry outperforming the sweatyass trickstab spies and the human jumping beans known as Scunts (not me tho, I use raw speed and strafing with the BFB)

or is this, like, switch combos

[high current]

Out performing trickstab spies isn’t hard, they telegraph so hard.

And jumping bean scouts vs heavies is kinda a bleh strat imo. It makes it hard for the heavy to track, but it also hurts your ability to aim as scout. I do like you without Bfb, just long strafes and change direction when the heavy’s aim catches up.
Makes it a lot easier to 3 or 5 shot the heavy but you also usually walk away with like 75% health. A bit less reliable if the enemy heavy has high ping though

[uncut spear]

yeah I think it's that

noticed she was sorta aiming to the ground too

plus the way her aim just stayed still when she airblasted that rocket

[mystic turtle]

also, I was referring to me tracking while playing Pyro, altho it does also apply to heavy
was gonna edit that in but the internet was too slow

[high current]

Oh yeh, the strafing technique is tougher with pyro because they ignite you if they touch you at all. I usually just stay away from them and chip them for like 30-60

[unborn pecan]

fr

[unborn pecan]

jumping bean scout is good if you can aim and track well as scout

but yeah

long strafes and being "ahead" of the heavies aim is also good

depends on the heavy tbh

and the environment

[high current]

true. I just generally prefer making aiming easier when possible. IMO the less possible error you introduce on your side, the better. I've encountered a few heavies that can actually track well enough that jumping bean is better. It does happen though. Both valid techniques depending on situations and preference

[mystic anchor]

my playstyle is combo pyro so yes naturally

[uncut spear]

yeah should've concluded that lol

good playing anyways

[mystic anchor]

although my positioning’s quite unique

my frontline is the enemies’ backline

always

[kind falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/134100084554989568/1247838248563380295/caption-3.gif

[mystic anchor]

objective’s overrated lmao

[kind falcon]

tbf all i do is just walk around

if u drugged me id do mostly the same in a pub

[mystic anchor]

LOL

[velvet raft]

do you guys have cool videos of pure rocket jumping in TF2?

Demoman or Soldier

[burnt dragon]

honestly same. I love US servers, at least its nearly certain they will talk one of few languages I understand

[mystic anchor]

truth

[jagged pawn]

TRUE

[grim parcel]

honestly

i always just keep shooting rockets

i try to play with timing but i rarely have a shotgun equipped so fuck it

you’d be surprised how many people just don’t know how to reflect

it also kinda gets me into that lead water soldier mindset

[jagged pawn]

yeah I'll like wait a second every now and then and the vast majority of pyros don't know how to react to that lol

they're used to playing against brainless drones

[uncut spear]

I love fighting a pyro that does know how to airblast well but

I shoot just far away enough to hit the ground near em and they can't hit it either because it's far away enough or they whiffed a guessing airblast

and if I turn a corner and they're still chasing me?

hoo boy

might even get a second kill in that time

[half rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UI_a_EpQls

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/6222

[velvet raft]

m1 + w

[mystic anchor]

m2 + w

[turbid hill]

The funniest change with the pyro update has been pyro duels

I am not kidding, if you're fighting another pyro as a pyro, circle around them while using your flamethrower

Now that flames require some tracking, a lot of pyros just panic

I have no clue why

I don't know why it works but ever since I discovered that trick I genuinely win most duels

[mystic anchor]

i've realized that as well

it even works for spies

(sometimes)

[turbid hill]

To be fair going around in circles is a pretty good tactic in general to make hitscan classes struggle to hit you

[mystic anchor]

yup

[turbid hill]

It just is weirdly more effective for pyro duels

I'm so happy pyro got fixed though, it's so much better to have a consistent main source of damage

[jagged pawn]

to be fair

you can't see shit on the screen while you're using a flamethrower

[small siren]

*you can't see shit on

the screen while you're using

a flamethrower*

- Grapevime

[jagged pawn]

if I saw that my opponent was kiting me while I was playing pyro I would probably just killbind

[turbid hill]

Maybe the fire effects are why circling around as pyro works better

[mystic turtle]

exactly this, I often see sweaty pyros intentionally shake their aim to spread out the flames. It really fucks over scouts close up as you can't line up meatshots that easy
also, what's up with this "pyro update... ?"

[turbid hill]

Sorry jungle inferno is still the last notable update in my mind

[mystic turtle]

oh
oh I see, thought there was a new balance patch

[glass musk]

facts

but I learned my lesson about ever dueling a pyro main on any map other than 2fort

near impossible as a soldier especially if their team is leading by a mile

@mystic anchor I think I'd be able to get you on 2fort but not other maps

[left sand]

circle strafing was always good for pyro v pyro

[high current]

At a certain range pyros just have to rely on knowing rocket fire rate and just predict the soldier holding m1 basically, if you just let go of m1 and fire a rocket reactively after they airblast, it works wonders. You gotta make sure you’re close enough that they’re relying on prediction though, it’s basically playing chicken with a pyro, it’s kinda funny.

Then there’s like the high level pyro v soldier strat where both players are awkwardly waiting for the other to attack, so they just stare intimately into eachothers eyes for like 8 seconds then both just go “screw it” and walk away.

[turbid hill]

I just fire when it feels right

Somehow that actually just wins me a lot of duels

they may reflect one or two rockets but as long as I'm alive at the end I win eheh

I think it's such a fun matchup

I haven't played any other game where this kind of tension is built

Whether I'm soldier or pyro I'm always looking forward to that kind of duel

[left sand]

you can fake the shoot animation in some scenarios

[turbid hill]

That's no fun

[left sand]

theres a few ways to do it

one is just moving your mouse up and down

usually most pyros fall for that

[turbid hill]

Oh I see

I thought you meant a bug

That's fun then

[left sand]

the second is you can cancel some animation cycles with right click since it's a cow mangler attack button

the third you can sometimes make the reload animation look like an attack anim if you time it right and cancel it

even experienced pyros will get fucked up by it because they get insecure about predictions

and then they become a mess and they'll be easier to fight

because they really dont know if youre faking or not

[mystic anchor]

depends

[left sand]

you can also intentionally miss a few shots

or shoot the ground

[turbid hill]

Splash damage is essential

Unless you're playing direct hit

[left sand]

this also gets the reload anim working

[turbid hill]

Chipping away at their health with splash damage is usually really effective

Direct hit pyro duels are fun also

Also a great tactic is to not have shame and have a shotgun equipped

close quarters it can surprise a pyro enough to fit a shot or two

[high current]

I usually don’t risk going for splash damage. Airblast is so whacky that there’s like an 80% shot they’ll resurrect the rocket from the grave just to rubber band it back your direction

I hate when a med pops kritz on you the moment they see a pyro. It’s like “bro this fight was manageable until you put us into sudden death”

[turbid hill]

Yeah crockets vs pyro is a SCARY matchup

As a pyro it's so fun though

You see this massive opportunity to blast two people instantly if you airblast right

or you get shotgunned

again the shotgun's great

[high current]

Honestly most the time it’s just the medic. I’m pretty confident in my ability to dodge, but then I’ll get splashed for like 100 and my healer id will disappear and I’ll be like “oopsie”

Or I love when I’m playing 6s, switch to pyro for a last hold, and a soldier sacs for my med and I get to airblast the rocket at them. Because it basically auto aims a really flashy airshot, but none of my teammates know that so they’re all like “HOLY SHOT HES GOATED”.
As if I wasn’t staring 45 degrees away from the soldier the whole time.

[cursive peak]

What was funny was I was in a Pyro v Pyro with my Shotgun when I airblasted to give myself some space while reloading an unexpectedly reflected a rocket into the other Pyro.

https://youtu.be/2_pR0ik4SkI

[high current]

calculated

[unborn pecan]

@azure plover will your ultimate-visual pack work in casual with preloading? Also, if not, would it be sane for somebody to take the time and effort to make it casual compitable?

[rare creek]

most things cant be made casual compatible

[mystic turtle]

only things that work are models/texture changes, and a select group of sounds

[unborn pecan]

which is what ultimate visual pack is

no?

[eternal haven]

Stupid question maybe but why don't the models get reloaded properly?

In the 'casual compatible' mods

I understand the textures, they're just in a whitelisted folder

[rare creek]

There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things.

-- Phil Karlton

[eternal haven]

Well sure but I meant is there anything different between the models in normal mods and those in casual compatible mods

Apart from referencing texture materials from a different location

[tough locust]

Back in summer 2023 valve fixed a bug that caused the game to crash all the time when you loaded into a valve server with model mods, and their solution was to just allow the models themselves to load in casual.
The game is supposed to automatically revert the models when you go back into an sv_pure 1 server, so they made some sort of new solution to stop custom models in scream fortress 2023.
It turns out that reloading the material system a few times while in-game just makes it work again anyway because of magic or something (i still dont know how it works). with the casual preloader I was just going by ear and doing tons of trial and error until i discovered that you could keep the models loaded by reloading the material system. Even the new one quickprecache made by goopswagger still uses that material system reload. maybe someone who can read the source code might have an idea but the changes all happened last year which means we don't know how the new system works

otherwise casual-compatible models are just the same as regular models with a different texture directory for sv_pure

[summer steeple]

iirc some things caused issues, idk if they were removed or not

[wild grove]

not the one you can download at github, there is a few people who made compatible versions of it, it just doesn't have particles (which ngl is the main reason why you wanted to download it in the first place.)

[mystic turtle]

particles have always been the pandora's box and the holy grail of TF2 casual compatibility

You could get stuff like What's Left of Ye or other cool particle mods working but you could also pull bullshit like eternal spy smoke and ubered medic "ping" particles

[kind falcon]

can someone send me the eternal spy smoke

-smiles-

[mystic turtle]

Idk, haven't bothered with source particles in ages

[summer steeple]

trolled

[wild grove]

Went on a 2 boxes tour and surprise 2 boxes :D

[unborn pecan]

okay thanks for the information

[kind falcon]

what the weapon

[mystic turtle]

loch and load reskin?

[wild grove]

seems like it

china lake grenade launcher but in tf2 style

prolly is a port of the one from open fortress

[azure plover]

Well there's also particles

[azure plover]

Yeah someone made UVF+ in gamebanana

[glass musk]

Does this actually improve performance? https://gamebanana.com/mods/482999

[eternal haven]

Probably not on modern gpus

I don't think the complexity of the meshes is the limiting factor in tf2's performance for most people

I guess you can test between rootlod 2 and 0

[proper tangle]

best tweak you can do is just get a cpu with more l3 cache

[small siren]

*best tweak you can do

is just get a cpu

with more l3 cache*

- diegodamohill

[proper tangle]

and install comfig

[high current]

Probably like changing the oil on a car with no wheels.
It’s not bad, and technically it’s good, but there are bigger fish to fry probably.

Though if someone came out with deep rock style low-poly models😍

[glass musk]

I guess it'd probably give a solid 5 fps boost

at the very least

[mystic anchor]

degreaser no. 3 completed

[left sand]

yeah

source has a lot of cpu bound stuff with meshes

and bad instancing

so all the typical stuff about LODs probably doesn't apply as much

[eternal haven]

The difference between rootlod 0 and 2 has been minimal in my testing

[left sand]

indeed

see this series of messages though

LODs do help, i don't think it's as serious as people say though

[mystic anchor]

reached this milestone as well

[glass musk]

☝️ what I also think

[paper sluice]

Only time I know LODs made a noticeable difference was when pf2 first added their player models
They used to not have LODs and I and others would get noticeable frame drops and choppiness
I made a mod with some really shitty LODs using the decimate modifier as well as the normal shadowlod and flexes stuff and it ran way smoother

[radiant merlin]

https://youtu.be/kMC85_ujAx0

They are using my medigun beam mod

[wild grove]

dude seeing people using your mods is such a serotonin rush

[small siren]

*dude seeing people

using your mods is such a

serotonin rush*

- woshee

[left sand]

imagine what happens to me with mastercomfig..

[kind falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1140699391599050873/1267913393507926026/image0.gif

this you?

[unborn pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cake-cat-cake-meme-gif-24537247

this must be how you feel

(delighted)

[half rose]

[jagged pawn]

LMAO

when I started learning korean people told me there would be zero overlap with my existing knowledge, meanwhile the first word in this screenshot is pronounced "play" and means "play"

also I think you like pyro

[mystic anchor]

ill reach that number some day

[summer steeple]

sometimes i think "man i play too much tf2"

but then it turns out my most played class (also pyro) is only at 177hrs

i have 3k hours in the game lol

but i bet a lot of forgetting to close the game and also mapping

[proper tangle]

Years of bad pcs and bad internet made enginner my most played class

[tough locust]

then again the stats randomly reset sometimes, I know mine reset in 2015 so my actual stats are off by a handful of years

[cursive peak]

As long as you're not blowing past 112 hours/week, you should be fine with how much TF2 you play.

[velvet raft]

"Korean people"???

😭

[jagged pawn]

korean, people

read it again with the comma there

[kind falcon]

theyre here to cause chaos. dont mind them

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/mapache-raccoon-gif-7517711104932847728

me

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/138451906421981184/1268831651279147059/image.png?ex=66addb0f&is=66ac898f&hm=64175e0ba444fce89a7a8784473e0bdfdff70c2d4281f627b0586161ec8cb9b5&

well not the worst birthday gift

[turbid hill]

Gamble for big wins

https://tenor.com/view/gambling-jambling-gamblecore-burning-in-hellfire-screaming-gif-17846281577290593447

[turbid hill]

Happy birthday by the way

[summer steeple]

I reported all of these things :)

Updated koth_megaton
- Fixed the grates around the capture zone allowing blast damage to pass through 
- Fixed a few cases of alpha painted displacement seams
- Improved lighting on several models, especially on the rocks throughout the map 
- Fixed several pixelwalks along thatch roofing and exteriors of the team buildings
- Improved clipping throughout 

[wild grove]

Megaton now hits tf2's frame rate 20% less or lesser (depends on specs)

[green tulip]

"- Improved lighting on several models, especially on the rocks throughout the map"

lightmapped props or something else?

[kind falcon]

Mayber

[green tulip]

alright me and a friend looked into this and it seems to be the case, the only downside is now the normal maps don't take effect anymore because lightmapped props don't support normal maps

[summer steeple]

ugh i forgot thats a limitation of lightmapped props

lightmapped props are so limited

they use the same UV map as the prop itself so you can't have any overlapping UVs or else the lightmap can be inaccurate

it sucks

[green tulip]

does anyone know why interpolation for nextbots was added and then removed shortly after? this happened a few years ago https://steamcommunity.com/games/TF2/announcements/detail/3364766987577536484

Fixed laggy animations on Halloween bosses, skeletons, ghosts and other ghoul-like beings

I don't remember when it was undone

I remember people saying/complaining that they looked weird now because they where so used to the choppy animations but that couldn't have been the reason right?

https://github.com/mastercomfig/mastercomfig/issues/684

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4413

maybe it wasn't undone/removed? I'm really not sure anymore

[small siren]

*maybe it wasn't

undone/removed? I'm really

not sure anymore*

- goodusername12345

[green tulip]

ok I guess it just only works at certain interp values or something

[wild grove]

I think it only works on default interp like the sentry animations

[left sand]

it always only worked on default interp

there is a shounic video which claims that it only works on certain interp, citing it didnt work on cl_interp 0 but does work on 0.03 but then the video doesn't demonstrate it working on 0.03

i remember some reddit posts saying it was working on the skeletons and people saying omg skeletons looking smooth is weird

so maybe it was reverted but idk

[green tulip]

me and a friend did some tests, it wasn't reverted I was just misremembering why it wasn't working it seems

[eternal haven]

Wonder why it only works on default interp

[wild grove]

clearly you aren't supposed to use any interp settings other than the default

[left sand]

the patch note doesn't make sense if it only works on default interp

[small siren]

*the patch note doesn't

make sense if it only works

on default interp*

- mcoms

[left sand]

because it always did work on default interp

the NPCs were never stuttery on 100ms

because they get updated that often

same thing in half life 2

the lip sync gets stuttery at lower interp because of how the game handles updates

interp smooths over a lot of stuff, that's how it was designed, for 100ms

[slender nexus]

<3

[high current]

Anyone have a picture of the new killfeed icon for the megaton nuke?

I’m at work but I want to mentally prepare myself for updating my hud to support it

[potent wolf]

I think this is the one you mean? Not my screenshot though so idk

[high current]

Does it look a bit low res in game? Or is it just discord compression? The text and everything else looks sharp.

[high current]

Oh nvm lol

Now im waiting for the “top 10 most graphic / culturally insensitive killfeed icons” out of a tftuber

[proper tangle]

"10 RAREST killfeed icons in TF2 (updated 2024)"

[misty plover]

Ficool posted the entire list yesterday

[radiant merlin]

are they all still in the same file?

[potent wolf]

iirc they added another texture for them

nvm i lied

[high current]

iirc it’s 6 images, 3 normal ones and 3 negative ones.

[potent wolf]

https://github.com/ReplayCoding/gametracking-tf2/commit/722c68b316907a1372db57d2e861a278ea3c6c7d

[high current]

Today I learned that the shotgun kill icon has different entries for each class, even though it’s the same icon. Makes me even more salty there isn’t a unique mini-crit icon…

Though I wonder if there’s something cool we can do with the class specific shotgun icons.

[potent wolf]

I really hate how killicons work

[high current]

It’s kinda smart when you think about it from the game perspective, you only have 6 textures to load and then it’s just a little snippet of each texture to look up when needed.
But from a modder perspective it’s a pain in the dinkleberg.

[potent wolf]

no, thats fine

but so much of it is hardcoded

like the sharp dresser backstab icon

no other knife can have a custom backstab icon without changing the code

[high current]

Oh is it? I thought as long as there was a game event entry you could edit mod_textures and point to wherever in a texture

[potent wolf]

        case TF_DMG_CUSTOM_BACKSTAB:
            if ( FStrEq( msg.szIcon, "d_sharp_dresser" ) )
            {
                Q_strncpy( msg.szIcon, "d_sharp_dresser_backstab", ARRAYSIZE( msg.szIcon ) );
            }
            else
            {
                Q_strncpy( msg.szIcon, "d_backstab", ARRAYSIZE( msg.szIcon ) );
            }
            break;

:)

[high current]

Ohhhhhh I know what you mean now. Yeh I just realized for over a decade I’ve been staring at the same backstab icons (almost) regardless of knife.

Though the sharp dresser was super popular when I actually enjoyed spy around 2014.

[unborn pecan]

megafart

[velvet raft]

decade?!

a decade ago i was a decade old

[high current]

I played my first pug around a decade ago. I did the math recently and I think as of like 3 weeks ago I’ve been playing tf2 for more than half my life.

[rare creek]

my mercenary badge says i got the game in like 2013 or smth

my first achievement is in like,,.., 2018 tho

[hoary geyser]

have you family shared with someone before

I think it's just when the game was added to your inventory, not when you first played it

[rare creek]

no

im p sure the game was free by then so it wouldnt have been family sharing

least toxic tf2 casual server

[hoary geyser]

but I believe you can still get the game added to your library through family sharing

[rare creek]

wtf is up with casual lately, first it suggested and let us join snowytower, next it goes from kong king to probed???

[midnight cape]

Both were added to koth rotation in the summer update

[high current]

Kong king has always been in koth queue. And what’s wrong with probed? I love probing

[void slate]

It does, heavily

[rare creek]

nah

[void slate]

Depending on scenerio you can get a 30% fps increase

[rare creek]

nah

[paper sluice]

Yea

[eternal haven]

Would you see the same behavior testing between rootlod 0 and 2 of the built in models?

Or just testing between tf2's models and your mod

[glass musk]

damn @void slate is the mod gonna be done after this?

[void slate]

One more than its done yes

All weapons will have LODs

Maybe Drag will start doing Hats after

Look LODs make a difference, as long as you have the right settings, which mastercomfig provides

[glass musk]

what would be the right settings?

[void slate]

whatever the lod=high settings in mastercomfig is

[eternal haven]

r_rootlod 0;r_lod -1

basically tf2 defaults

if you pick 'high' model detail

[void slate]

Well for me that been enough

[glass musk]

so high should be used to see some FPS increase

got it

[eternal haven]

I'm not really buying it

[void slate]

Highest LOD up close, 5 meters out lower LODs

[eternal haven]

unless you have a garbage gpu there's almost zero difference in most scenarios

[void slate]

When you have 100 players in front of you there is a difference

[glass musk]

what about like 15 players in front

[void slate]

RTX 3060 12gb

[void slate]

Smaller, but still better fps

Of course this depends on what weapons they have and what distance

[eternal haven]

Are you just modding the weapons or also the playermodels and hats?

[small siren]

*Are you just modding

the weapons or also the

playermodels and hats?*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[high current]

I’ll benchmark it on a 2070 super when I boot my computer up. I’ll have to put together a pub benchmark for it though.

[glass musk]

tbh tf2 is source spaghetti so I wouldn't be surprised if it makes a solid difference

[void slate]

I tested without any custom playermodels, but I usually also use High Poly Non-HWM Playermodels

And 100 different other mods

Like Jiggleboned Jarate

[glass musk]

got a link to that mod?

[eternal haven]

I guess with tons of models on screen you start to see a bit of a difference

but in normal gameplay scenarios it's really minimal

[rare creek]

idk why it would matter of a recompilation, surely the original compilations are good enough if not better...

[eternal haven]

I think some of the mods basically move the lods

so lod 2 becomes 0 and 4 becomes 2

some probably also modify them further to be simpler

haven't really looked

[wild grove]

how are you playing halloween maps in august?

like is this a community server event or something?

Summerween?

[wild grove]

Idk why they'd do the hats next since most hats already have to come with lods.

otherwise you don't get a gold star.

I say most because the promos and valve made hats are prolly the ones that might not have lods.

like the worms reloaded promo has more polygons than any other hat in the game, like they took the model from worms 4 mayhem promo images and put it into the game with eyebrows and the steal icon added onto it.

Oh and 3D wires instead of being textured onto the hat.

[radiant merlin]

i just wanted to share this screenshot

[wild grove]

Makes sense

[wild grove]

I stream this game, it's usually a rig with a rtx 20XX series gpu, I disable lods, MvM with that at its most intense doesn't go below 90 fps, only time I saw a large fps decrease below 60 was megaton before the patch.

and that was with bots wearing nothing

[high current]

I stream this game and I drag my ass through broken glass if I drop below like 280 fps.

[frosty coral]

The biggest bottleneck TF2 faces is RAM latency

There's a reason X3D cpus double the frame rate compared to their non X3D counterparts: it's because the extra cache cuts down the number of cache misses

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1214002845209067570/1237263656148795402/image.png?ex=66b10152&is=66afafd2&hm=912517392310200039f39eb54fa408d80017113fe3244dbbcd2eceb42adc6f0e&

Some benchmarks a friend did for me with their 7950X3D (which has a mix of x3d and non x3d cores)

[rare creek]

how fix tf2 ram latency

[frosty coral]

Ensure your RAM is actually running at its rated spec (my friend's wasn't and you can see in the spreadsheet that it can improve FPS by up to 10%)

If you're looking to upgrade, purchase a 7800X3D

[rare creek]

hopefully tf2 makes an update that fixes ram latency

[eternal haven]

Wonder what gives when it comes to posts like this https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/1079992/tf2-benchmarks that claim no difference

[frosty coral]

My benchmarks were post 64 bit

[eternal haven]

I mean it could be that I guess

You could always download the old version and test on that too

To see whether or not it is

[frosty coral]

The contractor did confirm to me that tf2 is pretty cache heavy, so I'm not surprised at the results

[eternal haven]

Yeah it makes sense

I'm just confused as to why some people have reported no difference with lower memory latency

[frosty coral]

Those tests seem to be using way shorter demos

[eternal haven]

I mean it was the old mastercomfig demo, back when that still worked

[small siren]

*I mean it was the

old mastercomfig demo,

back when that still worked*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[eternal haven]

I'd imagine it hits most of the same things as the shounic demos would

[glass musk]

Or just get the 5800X3D so you don't have to buy a new motherboard

[glass musk]

tried to join uncletopia

got this??

using a VPN perma bans me?

[eternal haven]

It's probably not a permaban

re join with an address they haven't marked bad

probably the ASN is permabanned but your steam id isn't

[glass musk]

why do I not have my items

or cosmetics

on uncletopia

uncletopia is so scuffed

now my chat box won't close

[hoary geyser]

that's not normal

[high current]

Ran some benchmarks on a 2070 Super + 13700K on Shounic's 24 player benchmark demo.

-------------
 Without Mod (pray for sv_pure 0 + offline steam + disabled main menu friends list)
-------------
5032 frames 15.092 seconds 333.43 fps ( 3.00 ms/f) 42.550 fps variability
5032 frames 15.145 seconds 332.24 fps ( 3.01 ms/f) 40.048 fps variability
5032 frames 15.149 seconds 332.18 fps ( 3.01 ms/f) 40.126 fps variability
5032 frames 15.655 seconds 321.43 fps ( 3.11 ms/f) 38.637 fps variability
5032 frames 15.628 seconds 321.98 fps ( 3.11 ms/f) 38.616 fps variability

AVG FPS: 328.252    AVG MS/F: 3.048

----------
 With Mod (pray for sv_pure 0 + offline steam + disabled main menu friends list)
----------
5032 frames 14.233 seconds 353.54 fps ( 2.83 ms/f) 43.264 fps variability
5032 frames 14.191 seconds 354.59 fps ( 2.82 ms/f) 43.842 fps variability
5032 frames 14.760 seconds 340.92 fps ( 2.93 ms/f) 42.132 fps variability
5032 frames 14.531 seconds 346.28 fps ( 2.89 ms/f) 42.694 fps variability
5032 frames 15.093 seconds 333.40 fps ( 3.00 ms/f) 41.170 fps variability

AVG FPS: 345.746    AVG MS/F: 2.894

-------------
 Without Mod (Modern Casual Preloader + offline steam + disabled main menu friends list)
-------------
5032 frames 15.433 seconds 326.05 fps ( 3.07 ms/f) 39.349 fps variability
5032 frames 15.494 seconds 324.77 fps ( 3.08 ms/f) 39.035 fps variability
5032 frames 15.696 seconds 320.59 fps ( 3.12 ms/f) 37.938 fps variability
5032 frames 15.607 seconds 322.42 fps ( 3.10 ms/f) 38.619 fps variability
5032 frames 15.554 seconds 323.51 fps ( 3.09 ms/f) 39.656 fps variability

AVG FPS: 323.468    AVG MS/F: 3.092

----------
 With Mod (Modern Casual Preloader + offline steam + disabled main menu friends list)
----------
5032 frames 14.915 seconds 337.37 fps ( 2.96 ms/f) 40.864 fps variability
5032 frames 14.951 seconds 336.57 fps ( 2.97 ms/f) 41.703 fps variability
5032 frames 15.030 seconds 334.79 fps ( 2.99 ms/f) 40.814 fps variability
5032 frames 14.978 seconds 335.95 fps ( 2.98 ms/f) 41.202 fps variability
5032 frames 15.441 seconds 325.88 fps ( 3.07 ms/f) 38.453 fps variability

AVG FPS: 334.112    AVG MS/F: 2.994

TLDR on a 24 player server: a 5.33% increase on sv_pure 0 with no preloading, a 3.29% increase using the Modern Casual Preloader.

[tough locust]

ngl I'm interested in running some benches for these lods on my craptop since the gpu on that thing is absolutely anaemic and dropping model detail does have a measurable perf increase. I'd be interested to see the numbers on a bad vs good gpu

[high current]

My testing wasn't airtight, normally I'd unplug my internet and make sure the minimum programs were running on my pc for testing, but for this "quick" benchmarking I did nothing beyond what was listed.
But there was some improvement. I think in 6v6 you might reach a point where the decreased fps of the MCP offsets the optimization of the LODs, but for 24 player you don't reach that yet. Also not sure what causes the drop in fps for the MCP.

Also testing was done with comfig module lod=high

[high current]

I've been interested in getting a GPU throttled system built or purchased tbh, been debating getting a raspberry pi just to have a compact linux system to test hud ports on and I assume it'd get absolute dookie fps. Apparently most UI stuff in source runs on GPU so the 0.01% optimizations I've been chasing in my HUD are basically only relevant on the rare GPU bottlenecked TF2.

[tough locust]

can the pi run tf2 through x86 emulation nowadays???

[rare creek]

i dont think raspberry pi supports tf2

[high current]

I think I've seen people run TF2 on it?

Eh, might just get a steam deck whenever they go on sale again then.

[tough locust]

you could get a different SBC pc, but those are all super CPU bottlenecked by comparison

[high current]

Honestly I have an open air test bench pc and an old gpu on a shelf somewhere, I should just swap my GPU for testing...

[rare creek]

have you heard of oracle vm virtualbox

free download

2024

[high current]

I've been meaning to, but then I honestly just go "actually, fuck Linux". It's like a monthly cycle.

[rare creek]

you shouldnt support linux

add the linux crash panel

[eternal haven]

igpu

[summer steeple]

jesus i had no clue my ram was this slow lmao

[eternal haven]

You can probably overclock it or tighten the delays

[summer steeple]

idk how to do that

i just went into my mobo settings and enabled XMP and now my pc is running but not running

oopsie!

also i just remembered that the reason i had it disabled is because it causes this mobo to post in safe mode 80% of the time

honestly I wonder if its about time that I get a new PC

I know i've been asking myself this for years tho

and like

for most things it still works fine

so idk

like I don't really see too much of a reason to upgrade

i mean i guess i can add "slow af ram" to the list

[unborn pecan]

if you disconnected from a vpn

while tf2 is open

You could've lost connection to steam services

restart tf2

[summer steeple]

lets see, list of reasons to get new pc

[unborn pecan]

1. more storage for dougie gifs

[summer steeple]

1. GPU struggles a bit to keep consistent fps at my refresh rate on newer games
2. my case sucks mega shit
3. ryzens seem pretty cool
4. slow af ram

but like

idk

those don't seem like big enough reasons

I can still play the games i want to play

[unborn pecan]

now would be the time to upgrade to am5

[summer steeple]

up until now i didn't even consider the ram an issue

[unborn pecan]

With the Ryzen 7000 cpus discounted

[small siren]

*up until now i

didn't even consider

the ram an issue*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

or i could wait longer and they'll maybe get cheaper

idk I also like

don't want to drop a fuck load of money on a new PC

[unborn pecan]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[summer steeple]

unless this one is like

dying

[unborn pecan]

i upgrade my tech around every 4 years

i just did a cpu upgrade 2 years ago

from a 2600 to a 5600x on the same board

I'm gonna jump to am5 in 2 years

[summer steeple]

i won't be able to upgrade without getting a new board

[unborn pecan]

yeah, which is why am5 may be the move now

cause the 7000 cpus are cheap

and then there is still at least 1 more cpu generation left in am5

so in the next 4 years for you, you can upgrade to a new cpu

[summer steeple]

i mean i don't see myself upgrading in 4 years

if i get a new PC at least

i've had this pc for... fuck idk how long at this point

7 years

and it still feels good enough

for most purposes

[unborn pecan]

upgrade fiend

or else I will install swagsoft malware on your pc

and fry it like egg

🥚

🔥

[summer steeple]

no

do it you won't

[unborn pecan]

@summer steeple

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1055994572385304586.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=STEAMHAPPYSPIN

[summer steeple]

i'm not downloading that

actually

[unborn pecan]

here is source code....

[summer steeple]

is it dougie cube

[unborn pecan]

no

I can compile that later

i don't have the code on me rn

here is what dougie.exe is

#include <stdio.h>

int main(){
  printf("dougie\n");
}

most advance dougware known to man

[summer steeple]

how is that 39kb lol

[unborn pecan]

it's statically compiled

[summer steeple]

is stdio that big

[unborn pecan]

cause I am using mingw

I stripped it too

[summer steeple]

wtf

[unborn pecan]

so you are getting everything you need in a self-contained binary

[summer steeple]

programs are bloated nowadays smh

[unborn pecan]

Cause I don't wanna send you the mingw dlls

[summer steeple]

waow

[unborn pecan]

i know

so glorpie

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1256367654088998914.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=glorpie

[hoary geyser]

my power supply just started on fire

thanks hurricane

[unborn pecan]

owned

[left sand]

i9 14900k tho

[unborn pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1237425012210929704.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=ALARM

AMD mentioned

[high current]

@tough locust is there a reason you toggle mat_aaquality twice in the Modern Casual Preloader? Is it essential to the preloading or is it to reset mat_aaquality to whatever its prior value was?
If its the latter then iirc mat_aaquality doesn't have any actual effect besides being convenient for forcing reloads, so it should be safe to only toggle it once, speeding up the script. Though I could stand corrected

[rare creek]

it's required to reload the matsys twice or else preloading doesnt work

[tough locust]

for some reason I can't actually get it to keep the models loaded unless u load it twice, ive tried doing it once at all diff points in the loading process but it doesn't do anything

im gonna be real i dont know how preloading works i just got lucky with that part

[high current]

Oh so the usual Source spaghetti? It works one way from some reason

[small siren]

*Oh so the usual

Source spaghetti? It works one

way from some reason*

- peachestv

[tough locust]

im sure there's like an actual reason if u dig through the source code but it's years and years out of date and i cant read it for the life of me

[high current]

I'm sure, even if the reason has some crazy out of pocket developer comment next to it

[naive prawn]

I recently upgraded from an 8700k and the performance improvement from just a faster CPU is massive. Bascially 2x fps in all scenarios

[kind falcon]

wow

its as if amd was doing nothing in that 6 years

[rare creek]

?

they say they updated from a 8700k not to a 8700k

[kind falcon]

8700 to 7800x3d is a 6 year time window

[eternal haven]

Guys my Niterux is broken please help

[mystic anchor]

me when the snipers refuses to respect the sightlines

[rare creek]

this isn't true

tf2 still very much uses the cpu for computing stuff like layout and setting up the panels in memory

your optimizations make xhud run significantly better than the default

removing panels likely helps a lot with reflowing performance (aka hud elements moving eachother around and how they attach to eachother)

something interesting to consider is that centered text runs significantly worse than non-centered text

'

[rare creek]

to my knowledge only the drawing is done on the gpu

[high current]

I think vmt proxy optimizations are also basically all gpu

[rare creek]

yes

either way it all improves performance becuz it's not threaded i think

it's all appreciated because tf2 is gpu limited on my system

[high current]

Yeh and there's still the loading of textures to the GPU which is the interaction between different systems

[rare creek]

avoid overdraw and translucency to minorly increase gpu perf

the backgrounds to the health and ammo on the default hud cause performance issues because uses a gpu outline 4 some reason

[potent salmon]

does anybody know why tf2 is starting to tear even with vsync forced in Nvidia control panel?

Ill be playing and it stutters and tears and then goes away

[rare creek]

screen tearing can still happen depending on which setting you used in the nvidia control panel

[potent salmon]

just have Vsync forced to ON and i also tried Vsync fast

It was running great for a while then i updated mastercomfig

[rare creek]

try it with on and triple buffering

[potent salmon]

will that increase input latency?

its just so weird it never used to do it

[rare creek]

yes

vsync increases input latency

in general

that's why i run with it disabled and just have 500 fps so my game looks like jello

[potent salmon]

i have a gysnc monitor so i have a FPS limiter set to 141hz and vsync on is there to prevent any tearing, never actualy needing vsync unless it overshoots beyond 144 fps

[heavy solar]

@potent salmon has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

[rare creek]

using gsync will help a lot i think

[potent salmon]

thats what ive been using and it still finds a way to tear

and lag

[rare creek]

are you sure it's on

[potent salmon]

yes, my monitor is reporting freesync ultimate enabled

[rare creek]

you may not have enabled gsync correctly tho anyway

idk i could never get freesync to work on my monitor 😭

[small siren]

*idk i could

never get freesync to work

on my monitor 😭*

- totallynotniteruxiswear

[potent salmon]

im also using -vulkan maybe i should try not?

[high current]

what do you mean overdraw? just like a box with zpos=2 drawing over a box with zpos=1

[rare creek]

yes

[potent salmon]

this is all thats needed to enable it

theres many ways to confirm its working visually

[rare creek]

try disabling vulkan and make sure ur using fullscreen instead of noborder

[potent salmon]

Ok, i actually just enabled no border since i was having it with fullscreen with vulkan

both seem to do it but let me try not using vulkan

[rare creek]

especially with translucent panels it can cause a small performance debuff

xhud is mostly fine with it tho

i wouldnt change anything about xhud in terms of performance

[high current]

Yeh I just don't have unnecessary stuff everywhere.

Some menus have a good number of panels, but their performance doesn't really matter since you arent supposed to use them while playing anyway

[summer steeple]

it uses a GPU outline so that its sharp on all resolutions

otherwise you'd get fucking jagged ass hud

that looks cringe

[rare creek]

idk how it would change jaggedness

[summer steeple]

in fact some hud panels don't use the outline

and it looks garbage

[rare creek]

also it looks like shit on dx8

[summer steeple]

well without the GPU outline you'd just have a texture outline, and the texture is like 256x

[rare creek]

i think they did it as some workaround for their way of coloring things with a gradient

[summer steeple]

so on higher res you'd see the pixels

[rare creek]

same with a gpu outline since ud be outlining something with jagged pixels anyways

[summer steeple]

in theory yes but it looks pretty damn good and the resolution of the image it uses is tiny so it barely uses any VRAM

[rare creek]

uses fill rate a lot

i personally dont feel it's worth it if that's why they did it

[summer steeple]

i think it looks nice

[rare creek]

looks like shit on dx8

[summer steeple]

everything looks like shit on dx8 lol

ok one thing for the default hud where it basically is necessary

the spy outline

when you disguise

cause that covers your whole screen

imagine like a 512x spy out line covering your screen on a 1080p or higher monitor

[rare creek]

spy outline doesnt use gpu outlines

[summer steeple]

yes it does

[rare creek]

it doesn't it's different

it's a different shader

it's doesn't help that much anyways either they could have just used the a8 format for that texture and it probably would have looked better

[summer steeple]

on modern displays?

[rare creek]

the extra bandwidth they'd have to carry because they have to use dxt5 for that shader makes it kind of innefficient

if they used a8 and a higher resolution it would have used the same vram

[summer steeple]

also it does use the same features lol

soft edges, distance alpha

glow

here's the ammo panel

also the spy outline is bgra8888, which, yeah, should've been a8, even worse than dxt5 lol

[rare creek]

you're right, sorry

[rare creek]

i think the colors are needed for the extra data

but if they just used a8 and quadrupled the resolution without using the fancy shader it would be better performance and the same amount of vram

[summer steeple]

its possible, I forget

although, I know later (non valve related) implementations of distance field stuff uses all 4 channels

I think valve just uses alpha?

[rare creek]

ive made my own spy disguise outline using the leaked vtex configuration files at some point

[summer steeple]

honestly I think it was kind of just an experiment that they figured out worked pretty well so they decided to use it

cause the siggraph paper they did showed it with overlays, but none of the map overlays in the final game use it

idk how true this is

[green tulip]

uhh doesn't a8 just get converted internally to bgr888/rgb888 on most GPUs?

[rare creek]

no

those formats dont carry alpha

i doubt any format gets converted other than the removed formats that had indexed color

[green tulip]

uhhhhhhh

[rare creek]

even dxt5 doesn't get converted

it just wouldn't make any sense

[green tulip]

with dxt you pretty much guarantee it will not get internally converted on most GPUs because most GPUs natively support dxt

although I don't think most GPUs natively support i8/a8/l8

[rare creek]

unity supports a8 on all platforms

[potent salmon]

So nvidia control panel isnt able to force vsync onto tf2 for some reason. enabling the in game vsync fixes the tearing but it isnt very good

doesn't work at all anymore

[summer steeple]

you said you were using -vulkan earlier, are you still using it?

not sure if that would matter

[paper sluice]

Beta ctf hud..,,

🤤

So beyta

[potent salmon]

ok so turns out that nvida control panel needed to be directed to the exe. now its following the settings i set. BUT its now doing frame doubling when it lags

like i am getting moments where it stutters and it looks baaad

idk what is wrong with this game suddenly. I have more than enough power to run it

[summer steeple]

christ they still haven't fixed the fact that it thinks tf2 is still using hl2.exe?

[summer steeple]

i opened tf2 for a completely unrelated reason, but noticed this and figured i'd follow up on this, you can see the ammo panel has the soft outline and the heads and stickies are super jagged

there's still some jaggedness on the ammo panel but its much less noticeable

[rare creek]

i honestly dont notice a difference

[unborn pecan]

I do

I see what fiend is saying

[next nymph]

most noticeable on the left or right edges of each panel bg

smaller ones are very noticeably pixelated diagonals, ammo panel is still a bit but nowhere near as much

[formal dew]

hud shader waiting in the wings

[eternal haven]

Maybe you're not viewing the image 1:1

It's much less noticable if you're resampling the image

for example viewing it at '100%' in a browser with windows scaling set to something other than 100%

[rare creek]

mastercomfig 10

[kind falcon]

mastercom

[grizzled chasm]

master

[rare creek]

mastercomfig x

[grizzled chasm]

mastercomfig diez

[glass musk]

is there a mod that upscales these class icons?

or redone identical icons would be nice

found one https://gamebanana.com/mods/497779

[uncut spear]

dumb question (but it helps me learn so whatever) but does the enhanced weapons from TIP conflict with the tweaked default weapons mod?

[velvet raft]

i don't know

i hope that helped you

[uncut spear]

it did thank you

[wild grove]

very likely does

especially the stock weapons in TIP

[uncut spear]

gotcha

[tough locust]

yes but if you want to give a mod priority just label it higher in the custom folder. a mod starting with 1A will take priority over a mod named 2B for example. Weird note: all VPKs take loading priority over Folder-based mods

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-money-tf2-team-fortress2-tf2sniper-gif-25667938

[broken haven]

https://youtu.be/HIdktO5zlcY?si=RO7sxGkhm_MR8thE

[eternal haven]

Tldw

[rare creek]

window xp blue screened of death

[wild grove]

Bro was playing on the very first launch release of tf2 and expected his winxp PC to run the game after installing the update LOL

[jagged pawn]

LOL

[summer steeple]

the summer update didn't even change anything i don't think

[eternal haven]

I think valve had some downtime that kind of sort of was around the same time as the update even though it wasn't related

The casual queuing was down for a bit and I think a while later SDR didn't work for a bit

so that's probably that video's about

[burnt dragon]

several years late, wutville release date mixup

[radiant merlin]

pyro blue axe enjoyers be like:

[limpid panther]

@left sand here is the demo file I use for benchmarks currently.
I was able to reproduce the bug like this:
1- Load game
2- Load demo
3- gototick 2300
4- play the demo for a few seconds
5- disconnect
6- repeat steps 2 through to steps 6 2 more times

tomorrow I will try other demos and stuff, Im too tired from work rn

also, I'm sending this here because I cant upload in the thread

here is an untrustorty graph I made by relaunching the game after every playback, so that it doesn't crash due to the bug

tf_win64_mastercomfig_low_vulkan should be totally disregarded because it crashes every time so only the last attempt went through into the graph due to a bug on my part.
The rest should be taken with a big grain of salt because performance for the first run after launching the game is not representative of normal gameplay due to caches and buffers and shit. But this is what I cna give you for now

[eternal haven]

Presumably 9.10.2 didn't have these elevated frametimes for you?

I noticed slightly longer frametimes going from 9.10.2 to 9.10.3

[limpid panther]

this is a comparison between latest and dev

which elevated frametimes are you talking about?

[eternal haven]

Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong, it looks like 9.10.3 has higher average frame times than the development version?

I was wondering if you also happened to have checked 9.10.2 compared to 9.10.3

[limpid panther]

yes, the you are correct, as mcoms said in #announcements📰 , the dev version has experimental improvements that she would like people to test

[limpid panther]

I don't think I did. My latest batch of benchmark before this one was for the x64 beta. Which version of mastercomfig was latest at that time?

also "elevated frametimes" is kinda relative. From tf_win64_mastercomfig_low to tf_win64_mastercomfig_dev_low it goes from 186,21 average fps to 190.11

thanks to basic statistics™️ , this is most likely a real change and not the effects of variance, but there is still a 15% chance that the null hypothesis holds true between these

[eternal haven]

Oh interesting I guess mastercoms must have been able to reproduce the mat_picmip issue

Seeing as low preset now defaults to high texture quality in the dev version

[limpid panther]

more graphs here: #tech🤖 message

[loud egret]

woddop woddop comfig 10 when maties

[rare creek]

long time

[loud egret]

🙀

wasn't the trailer date for august

[summer steeple]

there was a trailer?

oh there was, i forgor

well it is august

[rare creek]

mastercoms is very busy, you seem smart, you should help them out 😃

[summer steeple]

but there is still many more weeks of august

rewrite mastercomfig in rust

[loud egret]

do you really think the way i used "woddop" would imply i have any forms of smarts

[rare creek]

rewrite mastercomfig in rust!!!!!!!

yes ,itm ust be a secret language i am uninformed of

[loud egret]

💀 damn he on to us

the dev build reminds me, earlier this year benchmarks demo's were broken, are they fixed? May try out the dev builds then

[summer steeple]

the demos are broken because of tf2 updates, not comfig updates

i think we're using a demo shounic made now?

its somewhere on the docs

[loud egret]

yeah i read something to do with the old demo file not being compatible

so i was wondering maybe a new one was made?

[loud egret]

oh

I'll check

oyea there's a new demo file

[summer steeple]

oh that reminds me i was supposed to work on a way to make a benchmark demo consistently after breaking patches

oops

one day

[loud egret]

greatest joke mankind came up with

😭

[summer steeple]

yeah...

[loud egret]

one day I'll get a life i swear

[left sand]

comfig 10 won't be out this august

im sorry but been too short on time

probably wont free up until october

[loud egret]

🙏 you've done plenty for the community tbh take your time

[left sand]

the worst thing is still not pushing out an update for comfig that fixes the issues in 9.10.3

i feel terrible about that

[loud egret]

ayo

wdym terrible

i don't even notice any issues lol

[left sand]

its not fair to the community to have to suffer through such a bad release of comfig

[loud egret]

don't beat yourself up over it

[left sand]

i reduced performance by a lot

[loud egret]

💀 I also blame all the stuff on my shit pc tho it's falling apart

[loud egret]

oh

yeah i read someone on reddit complaining that comfig didn't help and they'd reverted to stock tf2 settings

but i think that was someone with an uber spec'd pc too

[rare creek]

masterocmfig free performance reduced to sell more mastercomfig premium

[loud egret]

so those users have little need for a comfig especially casual players

[left sand]

i mean comfig is still supposed to be good even on a good computer

[loud egret]

no mastercomfig premium would be tf3 before tf3

[small siren]

*no mastercomfig

premium would be tf3

before tf3*

- erza19

[left sand]

its supposed to provide more value than a typical fps config which just makes everything look worse

[loud egret]

lmao

[loud egret]

true you have indeed put in a lot of effoert making those high/ultra presets i imagine specifically for those setups

the customizability too

[grizzled chasm]

honestly the dev build is super promising

been playing on ultra with all of my mods and it’s way smoother than last build

i usually stick to the high preset to maintain consistent fps but i never get any dips in fps with this build

pls take ur time, you are doing awesome work and we all appreciate what you do for the tf2 community 🙏

[rare creek]

for some reason even on non-pyroland maps, the texture of ropes still gets changed

[uncut spear]

forgor and didn't check to see that most of the tip weapon mods are not for the default weapons

so there's only conflicting if I install certain weapons which it thankfully gives me a choice to pick all the non-default weapon mods

sick

[eternal haven]

mastercoms what do you make of the mat_picmip issue

[wild grove]

what's wrong with mat_picmip?

[uncut spear]

going to be testing the dev version rn :3