Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[high current]

Scout main graduation occurs when you get stalked by someone you killed for a couple months.

[left sand]

https://fxtwitter.com/TeamFortressS2/status/1812579364875178147

[burnt dragon]

tf2 s2 was such a promising project

sucks that sbox is awful

[high current]

Isn’t it just going the star citizen approach of feature creep limbo?

[crisp cedar]

yeah i dont like how this is like

something they started to work on before even like

actually porting the game to source 2 lol

[high current]

Might just be trying to show off while trying to exclude it from the cease and desist they got.

Or make it clear it’s not still on going. Idk

[spare obsidian]

the gamemode was already dead by the two big refactors garry did

like 90% of gamemodes that was made where broken it didn't took garry to finally change this on their later post

[tough locust]

it was a lot of smoke and mirrors tbh the game was maybe 20 percent of the way towards being playable after like 2.5 years of development

[burnt dragon]

so you are telling me that... if garry fucks up projects twice in a year, ruin motivation of a team that works for free in their free times... they are going to develop slow?

sbox beta is for developers mostly

and rarely testers

but the development of it is SO scuffed that people dont develop anything until the roblox on source 2 engine is complete

I wish valve releases source 2 sdk, but from what I see in cs2, source 2 isnt... really that ready for an sdk release

[tough locust]

I'm not saying it was their fault that it wasn't nearly done but it wasn't coming out any time soon s&box is in development hell tho so I don't blame them, the entire engine is constantly getting overhauled, they honestly shouldn't have put it available for devs so early

[burnt dragon]

it wasnt early, garry has no idea what he is trying to make

oh this is gmod 2

nope this will be source 2 sdk only

no we will make it in unity

unreal engine maybe too!!!

nope source 2 again

and you can export your games as separate games and publish on steam!

[small siren]

*and you can export

your games as separate games

and publish on steam!*

- polarite

[burnt dragon]

after that last part I kinda gave up on looking whats changing and what are they doing

[tough locust]

this was the most ridiculous announcement tbh

[burnt dragon]

its unnecessary, its meaningless, its simply stupid

you have the perfect formula(gmod)

perfect community thats waiting for it

and you just throw EVERYTHING out of window for fucking... r/place on source 2 ass games engine

[tough locust]

I really think it's having an identity crisis just because of gmod it's super similar and he doesn't know how to differentiate the two without people wanting it to be gmod or splitting the community

[burnt dragon]

theres no issue with splitting the community if the sandbox is properly made

counter strike 1.6 source had splitting problem because... cs source at first sucked... still kinda does lmao

a sandbox is only limited by the community

[eternal haven]

What is this?

Banwave?

[jagged pawn]

I don't get the scope creep claim at all, they pretty clearly said that this was the original goal and they later decided to scale back to just doing a port

like you can say it was too ambitious sure but it's not scope creep

[left sand]

https://youtu.be/oXNYF0lp7bs

[jagged pawn]

what if I don't want to click and just want to know what it is

[glass musk]

dearrow coming in clutch

[cursive peak]

You know what I wish would make a comeback on TF2 YouTube? Matches casted afterwards from STV instead of live-only coverage.

[high current]

Honestly. Long ready up times and tech pauses kill comp tf2 streams.

[cursive peak]

Ten years since Sal's last TF2 upload.

[high current]

That or RGL needs to make rup or ffw time 5 minutes. It’s frustrating as a player even when not streaming when the other team just flat out isn’t there until 10:42.

[cursive peak]

Nine since Kip's last upload.

[spring kestrel]

How many since Nate fox

[cursive peak]

I still use Sal's announcer pack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh_Hld9ALxY

[wild grove]

What about the stanley parable one too? Used to use that one a lot.

DIGITAL SPORTS!

[cursive peak]

Sal's the only one I've used.

I wish eXtine would make one.

[wild grove]

From what I remembered, steam shat itself on friday, then players dipped, steam stopped doing that, players came back but capped off at 75k

or was it saturday?

[cursive peak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Zi1I07xAQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE3tS1g2CuA

Another oldie but a goodie.

[cursive peak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDwu4uNTZc4

[uncut spear]

I just remembered an old ass vid of a dude just jumping around using the force of nature with a high ass viewmodel fov that my sister was watching with me when I first got into the game

twas fun to explain to her what the game was

pretty sure she was was high too but that's whatever

https://youtu.be/dH3mJmDF-Wk?si=GkX_2VehYFS-GISl

welp found it I think 😭

i always found the long ass stock on the force of nature at high fovs very satisfying

same thing if the barrels were long

https://youtu.be/6DaCJo1RCUs?si=NYLztqVK1QRHda9E

@3:38 hellz yeah

[tough locust]

unironic "what x years without updates does to a mf" content

the font in tf2 is good tho i notice it bc its rlly satisfying to look at despite being super goofy

[hoary geyser]

when did they say it was gmod 2

pretty sure the website said it wasn't in like, 2020

[tough locust]

though its been in development since 2018 and used hl2 assets a lot of the time back when it was still on UE or Unity or wahtever

[hoary geyser]

development didn't really start until 2020

[tough locust]

this is niche as fuck I like that the jumps aren't even that impressive lol

[uncut spear]

EXACTLY LOL

but my 10 year old brain was just like "woah, it's scout and the game I play"

[small siren]

*but my 10 year old

brain was just like "woah, it's scout

and the game I play"*

- aless109

[uncut spear]

thank you haikubot

[rare creek]

A VIDEO ON FONTS GRAAAAAAAAAA

[fleet kite]

I don't get it, is there anything s&box has to be aside from Garry's Mod 2? That seems like enough work already

[spare obsidian]

sbox is literally now roblox

[spare obsidian]

good video about the design philosophy of the tf2 fonts for anybody who is into custom font creation, but the title is a bit ehhh

[jagged pawn]

yeah he currently wants it to be roblox instead of gmod 2 for some reason but I'm sure he'll change his mind again at some point and ruin everyone's projects again

it's so sad that this is currently the only way to make an indie source 2 game

all of these projects would be so much more successful if they weren't stuck with garry as a middleman

[spare obsidian]

garry has a middleman is worse than making a deal with devil since he's so biased on a lot of decisions

when he broke games back and forth until he had to publicaly said he will fix gamemodes if they update the game again (doubt)

[spare obsidian]

he won't

[next nymph]

does s&box let you choose which version to run? Feels like a pretty big oversight if not, it's not like this is an unknown when pretty much every other game engine lets you choose the version to launch

[jagged pawn]

nope

at least, it didn't back when I had access

[next nymph]

thats cool

[jagged pawn]

it's so great

[spare obsidian]

nope

also if you're making a gamemode you basically had no templates to work with

you only have like a barebones template

before it did have some examples

[tough locust]

monday is tomorrow that means bets are back on for the summer update

putting 50 dollars on wednesday. item servers get knocked out twice at approx 4 pm est and update drops at 5:30 est. 9 maps 25 cosmetics, 7 taunt unsual effects and 9 regular effects. no war paints for some reason.

[wild grove]

I have a feeling war paints will only be summer from now on (cause it sold really well the 1st case from what I heard, people overall not liking seasonal paints because valve picks the worst ones, and it's easier to not fuck up general themed submission selection over seasonal.)

[hoary geyser]

I can't wait for the summer update on September 20th!

[wild grove]

9/11

[tough locust]

you see the update would only get delayed if it requires actual effort which the summer update doesn't so it comes out on time except when hammer crashes 1000 times while Eric compiles the maps

[wild grove]

or vscript problems

VSH being the reason why the summer update last year was delayed by a good chunk of time.

[rare creek]

but they said the mappers had to get the maps ready in a week not 3 weeks

so why is it still not out!!

valve lazy

[wild grove]

cuz

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-buster-baxter-bunny-you-really-think-someone-would-do-that-go-on-the-internet-and-tell-lies-gif-17527378

[misty plover]

https://fxtwitter.com/elmaxo_swag/status/1812655858444288482

Damn

[wild grove]

Dude got burnt out from playing the same games lol

Like everything I am reading here sounds like the same thing people say when they think gaming is dead.

Or gaming isn't what it used to be.

[fleet kite]

Not a crazy concept that one might get a little tired of a game after spending 5k+ hours on it. And like really, how much videos could you possibly make on one particular game anyway? People are making videos about fonts in tf2 at this point

[left sand]

he said hes quitting games in general

people are just growing up

[rare creek]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-resident-evil-4-gif-5143688443782660001

[fleet kite]

My guy is going to become an accounting influencer

"Starting 100 startups in 2 weeks with no bankrupcies challenge feat Elon Musk & Jeff Bezos"

[misty plover]

tl;dr quitting elmaxo youtube account, quitting making gaming content, wants to travel and make new videos based on their experiences

I respect it

[wild grove]

Especially those that aren't wacky gameplay videos.

Or videos of players acting funny.

[fleet kite]

Most people dont do the same job as some of these youtubers do, too

[misty plover]

Honestly reading the post he has a lot in common with hiow I've been the past several years, I only seem to enjoy games when I'm playing with others

[small siren]

*Most people dont do

the same job as some of these

youtubers do, too*

- goodoldjack12

[misty plover]

Playing alone doesn't suit me anymore

[rare creek]

it was a good video tho

[slender nexus]

I used to be happy playing games for hours on end and last week I only had TF2 open for 5 minutes before I shut it off to avert a mental breakdown

[fleet kite]

Most people just play phlog pyro in that situation

[slender nexus]

im getting this w all games not just tf2

[misty plover]

I don't really know how to describe the experience, I started feeling it the worst when helldivers 2 released. I usually love to challenge myself and do max difficulty runs on games like that solo, I did the same with Payday 2 and Payday 3, and Baldur's Gate 3, and all sorts of other games

[slender nexus]

i feel guilty playing games like I'm wasting my free time ironically enough

[misty plover]

But I just can't really get in the mood to be alone anymore

[fleet kite]

Helldivers in particular is deff more fun with friends

[misty plover]

I had more fun playing alone than with others still even then but I just realized I wasn't really enjoying it as much as I usually would

Been continually declining since

I don't even open games most days anymore now

[rare creek]

i am a 133.7 gamer

[fleet kite]

Damn, maybe the boomers were right 😔

[misty plover]

The dopamine isn't there anymore

I usually open a game, play for 30 mins at most, then go code or anything else

It's a full gaming wide burn out

The most fun I had in the past several years was replaying Majora's Mask

Okay sorry this is sounding really whiny, I did not intend that

[left sand]

apple vision pro will fix this

[fleet kite]

mcoms coming out of left field

[misty plover]

Apply fist to vision pro

[fleet kite]

I think its important to talk about hobbies and interests changing though. Easy to hold on to that gamer identity too much

[misty plover]

Mmmhm

I've taken up boxing again personally

And I'm reading more

[fleet kite]

smh skyrim has books, you can just play that /s

[misty plover]

Sorry I enjoy not slop

[rare creek]

killing you with my mind rn

[fleet kite]

The Lusty Argonian Maid is a masterpiece wdym

[misty plover]

Surprising since I put like 1200 hours into TF2 last year or something I know

Maybe more actually

Don't recall but it was 34% of last year's play time

I know I averaged like 8-12 hours a day cause I was jobless half that year

[velvet raft]

so games are only for young people?

[unborn pecan]

fr

the only game I ever play anymore is minecraft

[fleet kite]

She didn't say young, she said not grown up

I for one am an incredibly not grown up adult

[tough locust]

yeah though eventually once you play enough games you run out of new novel experiences. I honestly don't play any video games other than TF2 anymore outside of short bursts. I'll play a 4 hour indie game like once every 6 months and be more than satisfied. TF2 is just a fun busy game to hop on and play every few days bc it's the perfect chill shooter. I haven't had an experience where a game BLEW my mind since I first tried VR or first time. I haven't gotten taken for a loop with a crazy meta-type game since DDLC(?) bc once you have those experiences it's completely diminishing returns. Other shooters just make me want to play TF2, VR games are just chasing the dragon of me playing a shitty VR quake demo in 2015 and absolutely losing my mind, you won't ever have something surpass that initial "wow" factor because its just derivative. Games kinda become a comfort thing once you hit a certain age

[next nymph]

focused leisure is an important part of life, theres obviously a happy medium but not everything should be productive

[crisp cedar]

some people forget games are meant to be a shared experience

[fleet kite]

Ah yes, DOOM 1993, famously known for its multiplayer capabilities

[crisp cedar]

people love doom deathmatch and idk why

its shit

just play quake

[limpid panther]

yoooo thats sick

[limpid panther]

the motion blur in the unreal version was so smooth I wanted the stream of blocks to land straight in to my mouth so I can taste the blur

that cesspool of a discord server where laylad posted the development videos feels like such a feverdream to me now. How could that shit be left like that for so long

[misty plover]

I mean part of it might also be that I'm more fulfilled in life? I don't need to use games as my emotional crutch anymore, I'm capable of functioning in society now

[crisp cedar]

thats nice

what i meant by that is that its really just another social activity

[next nymph]

i read a book called Play Like a Feminist by Shira Chess and this is a pretty big point in it. It obviously goes beyond just that into feminism and advocacy, but the root is "gaming is a social leisure activity, and people need those."

[crisp cedar]

yeah i feel like

people very easily forget to view gaming as just another social activity

you can play the worst game ever but still have a lot of fun because youre doing it with good friends

[next nymph]

even if you just play it on your own time by yourself but you get the chance to talk about it and relate those experiences with other people, thats valuable

[left sand]

isnt everything a social activity then

[next nymph]

it could but it really depends on how it happens in practice. Like yeah, eating worms could be social if you go to your worm-eating club and talk with other worm eating hobbyists about it. But it's probably easier to just join a book club (or gaming group as Chess advocates for), they're more suited for a variety of leisure experiences you can discuss

[tacit flare]

If there's one thing I've seen plenty of in the TF2 community, it's people who have become so obsessed with the game that they forget it is just a game. As dear to my heart as this game is, it should never take over your life. There are much more important things in life deserving of attention.

I also think that TF2 has an internal life cycle, getting burnt out, or otherwise losing interest is part of the cycle. Time away is needed, for however long, maybe a month, maybe years, to eventually one day come back and remember why you enjoyed it in the first place.

Though I seem to be an exception to that rule, since despite maining Spy for over 6000 hours I'm still not burnt out of it.

[eternal haven]

Nicely done Astolfo

[rare creek]

the higher prestige than being called a cheater is being called the f slur that's how you KNOW you are super good at the game 🥰

[kind falcon]

why are you still calling him that

[radiant merlin]

Guys what does this mean? 🤯🤯🤯

[rare creek]

team fortress 3

[crisp cedar]

just had a very bad idea but i dont think im allowed to say that

[kind falcon]

Thanks for notifying us of that idea.

[tough locust]

OMG U VISITED VALVE

[crisp cedar]

do u guys think valve employees get the valve logo branded on them with a branding iron

[rare creek]

my little pony lookin ass or smth idk i never watched it

[next nymph]

no im prety sure they dont

[glass musk]

the solution is to buy virtual items

I honestly wouldn't play TF2 if I didn't have any virtual items

[misty plover]

Yeah Eric showed me theirs over email last night (real)

[tough locust]

nothing ever happens but replace the chud guy with scout or something

bro's just baiting to bait now im mad

[proper tangle]

He posts bait and after everyone speculates he goes

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[tough locust]

"I just really like the logo is all ☝️🤓" like at least own up to it

[small siren]

*"I just really like

the logo is all ☝️🤓" like at

least own up to it*

- pilso

[jagged pawn]

yeah this is bait lmfao he's just straight up lying

embarrassing

how the mighty have fallen

[cursive peak]

https://www.twitch.tv/rglgg

Steel week!

[jagged pawn]

we love steel

[spare obsidian]

who was this guy

[slender nexus]

dreamybull

[jagged pawn]

@wispy shale do... do you not know

when did you start playing tf2

[rare creek]

?

[wispy shale]

i first played in december of 2013

are you talking about contracts?

[jagged pawn]

it's the exact same thing yes lol

[wispy shale]

Oh yeah

[jagged pawn]

valve invented the battle pass

everything that people like to call predatory in modern gaming (battle passes, gambling, cosmetic economies, etc) is all valve

[wispy shale]

You act like I don't know that

TF2 basically invented the lootbox

[jagged pawn]

but then why say they "would've added them" to tf2

or that modern games are worse than tf2 "because they have FOMO-inducing systems"

[wispy shale]

I dunno, I guess I was thinking more about the traditional kind you see in games like fortnite where you have a bar that you progress along

[jagged pawn]

the contracker has that

[wispy shale]

Right, the halloween ones

[jagged pawn]

and the original ones??

[wispy shale]

I wouldn't know, I barely touched the game at that point

I almost regret it because I missed a bunch of stuff, including love and war

[jagged pawn]

gun mettle and tough break used a different system but jungle inferno contracts are identical to the modern ones

so it's give valve money to work for items

[wispy shale]

Yeah I get what you're saying

[jagged pawn]

it bothers me when people act like tf2 is in anyway unique, it was the trailblazer of scamming its players

like obviously you don't have to engage with it but you also don't have to engage with it in overwatch or fortnite, it's all optional

[wispy shale]

I guess in TF2 it feels more out-of-the way, like the battle pass and shop aren't taking up half the main menu

The closest it seems to get are the case drops

But yeah, I think the whole live-service aspect is the biggest problem I have with tf2 design-wise, because nearly everything else is immaculate

[jagged pawn]

idk seems pretty out of the way to me

[tough locust]

never knew this apparently dota 2 was the first. kinda surprising that no game did it before tbh. some MMO had to have done it before under a different name

[jagged pawn]

I mean maybe?

idk I'm sure it exists

at the very least dota popularized it

[wispy shale]

I imagine a lot of the modern monetization tomfuckery was probably done first by some obscure korean MMO or something, but it never really took off

[jagged pawn]

lmao maybe

[wild grove]

A lot of ideas of mtx came from mmos.

[grim parcel]

holy fuck i've been in this server for like 3 or so years now and this is the first time i've seen someone say something positive about overwatch in a tf2 channel

i can't believe it

[fleet kite]

Btw about competitive vibes in shooters: Im not really into a competitive scene nor do I play many shooters, but in overwatch I do feel a much higher pressure to be useful in a way I dont enjoy

Overwatch in particular feels so fast paced and "meta" that I feel like I have no choice but to play a particular way

Which is not the case for tf2

[wispy shale]

Most shooters have lost that "chill out and play how you want" feel these days, TF2 is the last notable one that retains that vibe

[jagged pawn]

I don't like the game but tf2 players have somehow convinced themselves that the game is some unique timeless masterpiece in a sea of modern slop

the reality is that, even though tf2 is my favorite shooter ever, that's because I grew up with it. plenty of other games do plenty of things right, there are so many great shooters rn

I think most tf2 players would love splatoon if they gave it a chance for example

I actually think it's more similar in game feel to tf2 than overwatch is tbh

[jagged pawn]

I feel the exact opposite tbh, I didn't like overwatch because it feels slow and on-rails. which isn't inherently bad it's just not the type of game I enjoy

[summer steeple]

i'm very conflicted at this point with how i want games to be

I like the idea of competitive and just getting fair games where people try to play and trying to improve

but I hate competitive player mindsets

[wild grove]

I want a sandbox like worms game where you can literally make a bazooka minigun in a scheme.

[summer steeple]

i just want to play weird non-meta things

[jagged pawn]

the best games are the ones that let you play them in several different ways. like being able to take it seriously on one day and on the next fuck around, and on the next do something completely off the casual-competitive spectrum

[fleet kite]

We at least agree its on-rails because there's no space to mess about

[small siren]

*We at least agree

its on-rails because there's no

space to mess about*

- goodoldjack12

[summer steeple]

imo competitive stuff in games is best when you are completely disconnected with the competitive community and mindset

not learning about metas or anything

and just playing

[fleet kite]

I also think games like overwatch might focus a little too much on making everything "fun" which lowers the overal funnness? if that makes sense

[wispy shale]

In some ways it is, in others I'm less ure

There's plenty of things I like about other shooters but there's always this one dealbreaker that ruins it for me

Most often it's grinding and forced playing-to-win all the time

Sometimes it's shitty visual design that's hard to read, overwatch being one of the worst cases of this

Sometimes the monetization is so in-your-face that it becomes impossible to ignore

[velvet raft]

the tf2 channel is not place for philosophy dude

[jagged pawn]

this is not a thing in almost any game

[wispy shale]

The fuck do you mean

There's always some kind of grind, there's always this sweaty atmosphere where you're expected to play at your best all the time

[jagged pawn]

like I'm sure you could name two or three but it just very obviously isn't true that the norm is to force you to play to win

[wild grove]

bro thinks they know game design and development lol

[jagged pawn]

you choose to engage with it

there's this great thing where if you want to play casually you simply click the button that every game has and queue into whatever their non-competitive queue is called

unranked, casual, free-for-all, for fun, whatever

every game has this

if you continue to feel pressured to try hard in these modes that's on you

[wispy shale]

Yeah and that's not enough because the game's actual design encourages playing at your best all the time

[jagged pawn]

what

[wispy shale]

You don't get huge team sizes unless it's a battlefield-like, a lot of them are one-life only like CS or most battle royales

[jagged pawn]

me when I smash my controller while playing super mario bros because it expects me to improve as I play

[wispy shale]

That's not the problem I have with it

I want to improve, but sometimes I just want to chill out and not have to worry about anything

[jagged pawn]

I can't think of a way to say this that isn't mean but genuinely if you get mad when you play fortnite because you get a "you died" popup when you die you should play sudoku instead

like

fortnite is one of the most casual games I've ever played

[wispy shale]

You are missing the point

[jagged pawn]

just hit requeue man

[grim parcel]

I feel like I have no choice but to play a particular way
me when i play 6s

[jagged pawn]

no but that's different because... uh..

[wispy shale]

It doesn't make me angry, it's just fucking draining having to put all of my effort in when I just want to chill out

[jagged pawn]

then don't

that's my entire point

[wild grove]

then that's on you man.

[jagged pawn]

stop draining yourself and have fun in the funny game where you can drive a car into people and win

you are incapable of just enjoying the game and that is not the game's fault

[wild grove]

you have that tryhard grindset instead of taking a chill pill.

[jagged pawn]

there is nothing in its design that forces you to feel this way, you keep just saying that as a truism and not naming anything in the game that's forcing you to put your full energy into it like this

[wispy shale]

I fuckin don't, that's why I play TF2

[jagged pawn]

why don't you cry when your team loses on badwater

you just lost, the announcer just called you a loser and said you should go home to your mom

why doesn't that affect you

[grim parcel]

if you take qp in overwatch seriously you gotta take a step back

[wispy shale]

Because I know it's not my damn fault, because nobody is expecting me to pull my weight constantly, nobody is raging because they lost

[grim parcel]

you have a bad perception of the game

[jagged pawn]

me in unranked in literally any other game

this is literally just a psychological problem man idk what to tell you, don't take life so seriously

enjoy the games

[grim parcel]

the only real difference is that you have less games where you're literally just doing the conga

[jagged pawn]

ok but I do the conga in fortnite all the time it's funny

[small siren]

*ok but I do

the conga in fortnite all

the time it's funny*

- Grapevime

[grim parcel]

but idk if you play on uncletopia for example

[jagged pawn]

it's not specifically the conga but you get what I mean

[grim parcel]

i'd say that's more of a competitive environment than many qp matches in overwatch lmao

[jagged pawn]

I mean I imagine critfish avoids uncletopia

[wispy shale]

Actually I have played a fair bit on uncletopia, even there I don't feel that much pressure to do well

[grim parcel]

oh yeah there's also arcade now

[jagged pawn]

NAHHHHH ok you're trolling

[grim parcel]

i completely forgot

[jagged pawn]

I at least believed you before

[grim parcel]

there are so many brainrot custom games

[wispy shale]

What else do I have to fuckin say to you

[grim parcel]

like it's actually really cool what people have done

[wispy shale]

I already said it's the fault of the game's design and format, the biggest contributor being team sizes

[grim parcel]

not as big as the fortnite, etc. scenes but still cool and has an active community (queue times are still shit so people play them during it)

[wispy shale]

The average skill of the players doesn't matter all that much

6v6, 5v5, etc. leave very little room for error, you can't mess around nearly as much as you can in a 12v12 setting, then factor in things like class/hero/whatever balancing with lots of hard-counters where you're kind of forced to run whatever counters the enemy team instead of just playing what you want

When it's not a team-based thing with small team sizes, it's usually a battle royale where random chance is a huge factor in winning or losing, which I'm not a fan of either because now whether or not I have fun is now at the mercy of RNG

This isn't me refusing to try anything other than TF2, I have, I used to play splatoon 1 and 2 religiously and have played a little bit of CSGO and fortnite, plus several more obscure titles, but none of them hit the same way that TF2 does

[jagged pawn]

anyway back to this

I think splatoon does this uniquely well. there's turf war which is partially a tutorial (forces you to engage with the core mechanic of the game, while being otherwise simple and basic), and also functions as casual mode because you can just run around the map aimlessly and still be helpful to your team in doing so; this is a mode explicitly designed for casual players and it serves that purpose well

and then the other modes (koth, player destruction, etc) are in the competitive queue and are more clearly designed for and marketed towards serious players. there's ranks, there's solo and squad queues, etc. so generally the casual and competitive communities are kept separate

BUT, once every so often, an event happens called splatfest where everyone chooses one of three teams to play for, like back when tf2 had wars. and you get matched with people on your team and against people on another team, and whichever team wins gets points that go into the overall pool. this sounds competitive, yet matches are played in turf war, the casual format. this does two things: one, it encourages casual players to get involved in something with higher stakes, and two, it gives the casual players a bit of an advantage in that they're more used to playing the format. but of course comp players are playing more seriously so it creates an interesting dynamic

splatfest would be cool enough on its own, but what pushes it over the edge for me is a unique mode that can only be played during splatfests. it's like turf war, but it's asymmetrical, with 4 people from the team who won on day 1 having to battle 2 people each from the teams that lost. this is, imo, the most casual format in the entire game, in that it's so cyclical in meta as to not have a meta at all. in creating a format like this, casual players are fully rewarded for completely ignoring any concept of meta and just having fun, while still also encouraging you to take the game seriously if you desire

this is a long message but it's all to say that splatoon is the only game I've played that actually manages to merge its casual and competitive audiences, even if only temporarily, in such a cohesive and interesting way

[wispy shale]

I liked basically everything about splatoon except for the small teams and ranks

[jagged pawn]

ok

[wispy shale]

I do not like the 4v4 format at all, I also hate not being able to switch weapons mid-round because often I'd be stuck with something I don't like or are bad with, which led to me only using like 4 different weapons because I didn't want to go through the trial and error of figuring out the others

[jagged pawn]

alright

[wispy shale]

All of the more interesting modes being locked behind ranks also really sucked, I hated playing with ranks in S1 to the point where I just flat out didn't touch it in S2

[jagged pawn]

ah

[wispy shale]

Salmon run was good shit though

[jagged pawn]

ok

[wispy shale]

If you made splatoon's maps bigger, made it 12v12 and let me switch weapons mid-game and play every mode unranked, it'd be close-to-perfect for me

[jagged pawn]

alright

[wispy shale]

I get the feeling that you're not interested in any of this

[small siren]

*I get the feeling

that you're not interested

in any of this*

- critfish_

[jagged pawn]

ah

[rare creek]

splatoon is one of the best shooter games of all time and ive been missing it ever since switching over to PC

[wispy shale]

yeah splatoon has a really solid core to it

i wish it relied on shooter-type weapons less since the others are way more interesting, but it's one of the most unique shooters i've ever played and i hugely appreciate it

i don't think it quite beats TF2 but if TF2 were to suddenly vanish one day, splatoon would be my next pick

i just wish it had bigger maps and team sizes like TF2

[next nymph]

heavy has a phd in russian literature. You can't truly understand tf2 without understanding Dostoevsky's philosophy

[velvet raft]

you should save your good arguments when we discuss about similar stuff JSJD, although you are right, iirc heavy is smart, he just talks like that because English is his second language

or well idk the mercs canons

[broken haven]

https://fxtwitter.com/plumbadumba/status/1810810364214530426

[kind falcon]

guigis manor

[proper tangle]

man just played mvm again after a good while

getting over 200 fps mid fight, all good, then I go play medic, activate shield on a tank

fps immediatly drops to 60-80

[fleet kite]

This man needs comfig

[proper tangle]

yes

comfig that only takes effect when I'm playing medic and activate my shield on a tank

already using the high preset with some tweaks

[tough locust]

MvM is a particle shit show I just expect my fps to tank while playing

it's a twofold issue because MvM maps are super open compared to regular TF2 maps so everything is being rendered at once

[tough locust]

dawg wtf is going on in slender fortress I've never played it for more than like 10 minutes because the amount of waiting is actually aids

[proper tangle]

Yeah, but in my case specifically I was doing fine on any other situation, just the interaction of shield+tank that tanked my fps

[uncut spear]

LOL

[half rose]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/6142

🙃

[left sand]

idk why this was reported to the github

[paper sluice]

how did all those commands get un-cheat protected

they got an inside cheater at valve,,.,

[wild grove]

Gotta be fucking kidding me.

[heavy solar]

@wild grove has leveled up! (26 ➜ 27)

[left sand]

hopefully this will be fixed in the summer update

[wild grove]

Update delayed by another week

[left sand]

i dont see why

there really was no reason for this to be reported to the github

besides to have a public place to share it like a wiki article

and im pretty sure the reporter knows this

there was zero reason to post it to the github

[wild grove]

Definitely will make valve have to fix it.

[left sand]

that doesn't make any sense

all this is doing is trying to get ahead of a fix

this exploit was first known probably around a week ago

it got reported already

i guess the people who discovered it couldnt leave it at that and it spread around

[half rose]

youtube: TF2 New Exploit! Free WallHack

[crisp cedar]

new delfy dropping soon

[wild grove]

For real?

[wild grove]

Hopefully is a understatement man, I want this fixed pronto.

[eternal haven]

Stac detects this

It will be funny when a bunch of idiots try it out on community servers and get banned for cheating

I kinda hope they dont get unbanned

[left sand]

there are 14 people on community servers

according to @rare creek

[tough locust]

💀

[tough locust]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-squid-tonight-gif-25005434

[eternal haven]

bruh

LOL stac bans you just for having that hud panel open

without doing any funny business

[left sand]

please don't post new information about the exploit

[eternal haven]

Sorry didnt realize that was anything new

[fleet kite]

I dont look at code, I just say "LGTM" and merge

just like XZ Utils maintainer

[wild grove]

wasn't that patched?

being able to use sv_cheat 1 commands with the hud panel?

[small siren]

*being able to

use sv_cheat 1 commands

with the hud panel?*

- woshee

[eternal haven]

Context was deleted sorry

But no, talking about something else

[wild grove]

damn, wait, this was found out already?

[mystic turtle]

perhaps there's one base issue in the code that causes this, when they fixed it the first time they only patched that specific instance
far-fetched but a random guess

[eternal haven]

It's not an allowed topic to discuss here

Otherwise I would happily clarify'

[mystic turtle]

got it.

ah well, off to go get kills for my strange bfb or smth

[wild grove]

so does this mean I should just play on community for now until the summer update hopefully (it better)

[mystic turtle]

probs

[rare creek]

HOW DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING

you'd think after like the 10th time something like this is discovered that valve would figure out how to stop it but no ig

[wispy shale]

software development is rarely that simple

[rare creek]

summer update early

[wild grove]

early, they told mappers to get things done in a week lol

I guess stuff came up

[kind falcon]

it was. stac bans you for having the cheat protected cvars enabled on a stac “protected” server

[rare creek]

how

[kind falcon]

how what

[rare creek]

jow foes it know

[frosty coral]

the client reports a lot of its cvars to the server

[kind falcon]

megascatterbomb arrives

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/950308717956595722/975998439542362162/BF6E3E6E-378D-45A5-A023-1A7F255A18C8.gif

[kind falcon]

https://github.com/sapphonie/StAC-tf2/blob/master/scripting/stac/stac_cvar_checks.sp

magic

[rare creek]

ah so that's why it iddnt banned me for using createhairball

[wild grove]

the hairball is only what you can see

basically it's a hallucination, everyone else can't see it I think

[kind falcon]

hallucination update

[tacit flare]

As in, spawn wallhacks are already a thing so it doesn't really effect me.

[tough locust]

also walls doesn't really do much in tf2 because you can simply counter by getting good

if this update doesn't drop today I'm gonna have to do something drastic

[rare creek]

oh boy do i have news for you

[stuck locust]

walls are quite powerful

[rare creek]

they are significantly less powerful than games like counter-strike or valorant where information is very valuable

[stuck locust]

i mean it might not be super powerful in pubs but in competitive scenarios it's definitely really powerful

[rare creek]

ig

nobody plays that tho

[stuck locust]

tell that to rgl

[wild grove]

it only negatively affects spy which gets screwed by the in-game your team only walls anyways lol

[stuck locust]

although it's still decently powerful in pubs

telling where everyone is gives you pretty much unlimited insight into how you want to approach a certain point

there's not much coordinated strategy done in pubs so you wouldn't get much benefit from that perspective but like you can still single out and time your shots perfectly etc

[glass musk]

is it more likely for the update to drop tomorrow or friday?

[fleet kite]

Yes.

[rare creek]

in 1 week

[tough locust]

https://tenor.com/view/why-daniel-keem-dramaalert-keemstar-what-caused-this-gif-23976320

[rare creek]

because valve doesnt owe you any release at all

except to fix that sv_cheats thing but they could just push out a hotfix for that

[tacit flare]

Do you think Valve will ever update the default config so it's not absolutely atrocious?

Just fully integrate Comfig into base TF2 as standard

[left sand]

comfig wouldnt be ready to be in the base game

[tacit flare]

There's more features to come?

[left sand]

no theres stuff in comfig that wouldnt be good defaults for the game, and there are some bugs in the game

theres also engine stuff that cant be defaulted for the client differently than the server

which would need to be done because theres some stuff that would be ideal for the client but would be bad for the server

mastercomfig makes decisions based on the fact that people explicitly installed a config so we have more leeway in forcing some settings, since people are more aware they are customizing the game

as well as that its a client only config

[rare creek]

the defaults are better than the game defaults anyways so they should be the game defaults

[rare creek]

like if you arent using 90 fov what the hell are you doing

[kind falcon]

being a gamer

[rare creek]

anything below 90 fov actually makes me sick

[next nymph]

what do you do when you play sniper and scope in (reduces fov below 90)

[rare creek]

vomit immediately and violently

[grim parcel]

guys there's actually a really good video about this idk if you've ever seen it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRxFpr5Javg

[next nymph]

whats the argument so i dont have to watch the video right now

[small siren]

*whats the argument

so i dont have to watch the

video right now*

- JARATEKA

[rare creek]

this person made good videos i miss them

[rare creek]

TF2's Default Settings Suck

[next nymph]

why

[rare creek]

75 fov 👎

[drowsy marlin]

Is 90 fov in tf2 actually 90 fov? Does FOV change depending on the resolution?

[crisp cedar]

aint this the diaper guy

[next nymph]

"fov" isn't one specific metric but actually could refer to multiple different things. TF2's 90 fov isn't wrong to say it's 90 fov, but if you're asking about horizontal fov then no 90 fov isn't 90 horizontal fov and aspect ratio will affect that

[kind falcon]

u got a problem with people having fetishes?

ick...

[summer steeple]

also like

isn't part of the reason that default settings in games are low FOV is because some people get motion sick on higher FOV

[kind falcon]

on maps like dustbowl i could see why people would prefer lower fov

[summer steeple]

like name an fps game where the default fov is 90+

[small siren]

*on maps like dustbowl

i could see why people would

prefer lower fov*

- lowrule

[next nymph]

i get motion sick on low fov, when I play skyrim I need to use console and set it to >110 fov

[summer steeple]

its probably lower than you think

[crisp cedar]

anyways i feel like its stupid to complain about default settings because

idk

u have settings

whats the big idea

[next nymph]

I'd speculate the reasons for low fov defaults as a convention are:

• it makes more sense on consoles with more distant displays
• it looks better in screenshots and promotional materials
• that's just the convention and there isn't much reason to go against the grain, it's just a default setting after all

[summer steeple]

tf2's default settings suck, it doesn't even set r_lod 0 for the highest quality models at all distances and mat_mipmaptextures 0 for the game to look worse and run worse

what was valve thinking smh

[crisp cedar]

one thing i wish games let you do is enable a camera mode fov

[grim parcel]

all games should have an fov of 100 minimum

[crisp cedar]

for example in minecraft

[grim parcel]

like battlefield high fov

[crisp cedar]

i like taking nice screenshots

with freecam

[grim parcel]

shit makes me sick i love it

[crisp cedar]

but it looks bad on high fov, when you change it to lower fov things can look way better

i wish games let you adjust the camera mode fov

[summer steeple]

minecraft high fov feels so stretched

idk why

i couldn't play on 90 for years in minecraft

[crisp cedar]

im just fucked up like that

[summer steeple]

it weirded me out

[crisp cedar]

i cant do anything but high fov

[next nymph]

i think part of it is how many lines there are so its obvious, and i thought high fov in minecraft was genuinely just really high (like 150 or something)

yeah quake pro fov is 137 degrees horizontal fov in 16:9, before things like sprints increasing it further

[crisp cedar]

oh i disable fov for like

fov chagning with movement speed

i died once like that

i had like soul speed, sprinting and a swiftness potion

and what i thought was like a 1 block gap was like a 3 block gap and i killed myself

[left sand]

the default fov is specifically designed for 4:3 and somewhat of a cinematic experience

[tough locust]

only argument i've seen for not increasing TF2's FOV past 90 is so that spies get more of a sparring chance, if you could bup up the FOV to like 130 then spies would be extra fucked on top of already being the weakest class

on top of everyone being noobs the reason that spy was better in the old days was because everyone was using 4:3 or 5:4 monitors, makes it 1 percent less likely that you'll see a spy sneaking up

[next nymph]

i think the real reason is that people were noobs

16 degrees is not gonna make or break a class that ideally should be behind you entirely

[tough locust]

nauseating hyper zoomer/quake gen X-er field of views are a scourge upon this earth, watch my friend play minecraft with 130 FOV as if he can even see what's directly in front of hum because its zoomed out to like 10 percent of the size

[left sand]

90 degrees is mostly for vis i believe

[orchid sorrel]

me when i see my infant son

[tough locust]

FUCK

[wild grove]

bruh should've said pst

[rare creek]

what?

[crisp cedar]

aar

[rare creek]

idk

i think you are thinking of star_

[turbid hill]

https://youtu.be/C74pPRMbozs?si=P8AGIu4SHV0vugNL

[eternal haven]

Fortunately the fix is incredibly easy

[turbid hill]

Delete the workshop

[wild grove]

I mean you could just make the importer require -insecure or -tools to use since creators don't make em inside a server that isn't single player. It's a band aid fix but it does the job

[rare creek]

valve already has a proper fix that will be included with the summer update 👍

[wild grove]

nice, now we just wait til that comes out

[misty plover]

Summer Update coming 2025

(fake)

[eternal haven]

[spring kestrel]

It's the other way around, low fov makes people nauseous

[summer steeple]

it can happen in both iirc

[orchid sorrel]

yea

[crisp cedar]

new unlock?

[kind falcon]

the boofooka is in the game already

[unborn pecan]

@lean cove

[lean cove]

wtf

[coarse spruce]

Summer update is out

[eternal haven]

So true

[summer steeple]

huge

big

lets goo

[tough locust]

oh wait bro wasnt lying

[coarse spruce]

I never lie

Fixed the Neon Annihilator not getting crit-attacks when hitting players covered with gas
HUGE

[summer steeple]

holy shit

they actually considered it a bug

[coarse spruce]

ngl thats a lot of community fixes, nice

[summer steeple]

proof that yes, the community fix stuff wasn't bait

(people will still complain about no community fixes)

wow

thats actually pretty big too

[coarse spruce]

niice

[summer steeple]

jesus christ

[livid urchin]

tf_hide_custom_decals finally

[radiant merlin]

gas passer buff

they didn't add bagel

[livid urchin]

they only add bad maps

[summer steeple]

big change

[tough locust]

they added a new medieval mode map btw

burghausen is medieval attack defend

[mental warren]

[tough locust]

thats crazy

[radiant merlin]

omg why overgrown? it hasn't been played in years in comp

[pale basalt]

What does this actually apply to

[tough locust]

not a fan of embargo it runs like ass

[pale basalt]

Because it’s not exactly what they said

[mental warren]

everything that isnt a movement command

[pale basalt]

Yet I’ve been told that’s not the case

[radiant merlin]

why not sultry?

[tough locust]

never even heard of this one and i check the workshop all the time

[small siren]

*never even heard

of this one and i check the

workshop all the time*

- pilso

[radiant merlin]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2775471508&searchtext=sultry

[coarse spruce]

what's the importance of this

[mental warren]

mastercomfig utilizes a lot of command aliasing

[summer steeple]

it doesn't

it uses it in like 2 places

[pale basalt]

It breaks a lot of things if it’s actually what it says but I feel it’s missing context

[summer steeple]

one to prevent people from causing material resets by changing mat_antialias

and like to improve latency on some very specific cmds by forwarding them directly to the server

[left sand]

yeah

its an exploit fix

[pale basalt]

I figured that was the case

I assume related to the very recent sv cheats one

[left sand]

yes

i reported this

[pale basalt]

Bless

[left sand]

i will detail it soon after i verify its been fixed properly

[summer steeple]

I guess this is what they mean by "movement command"

just any input command

[left sand]

yep that makes sense

[pale basalt]

Notably convar too 👀

[summer steeple]

well like

[pale basalt]

This smells familiar to the cs2 one

[left sand]

basically you cant override anything anymore

[summer steeple]

as mentioned here this isn't technically new
#gaming-news🎮 message

[tough locust]

i was right about the no war paints but im sad

[summer steeple]

just not applied to all these commands

there are cvars that the game changes regularly

like dsp stuff

[pale basalt]

Would that apply to pure?

[summer steeple]

good question!

[left sand]

the grill is back

[summer steeple]

I guess we'll find out after coms details it

[pale basalt]

Indeed

[summer steeple]

gameevents.res got updated?

huh?

[potent wolf]

vscript stuff?

[summer steeple]

uhhh

[pale basalt]

Has to be

[summer steeple]

actually quite a few hl2 things seem to have gotten updated?

maybe they just pulled things in from hl2's current version

[pale basalt]

Backported?

[radiant merlin]

hl2 hats

[pale basalt]

[summer steeple]

omg i didn't have discord focused and i was like

what is this small eyebrow raise emote

it was funnier to me than the gif was

just tiny eyebrow raise

[rare creek]

hi

[radiant merlin]

latam spanish added at last

[summer steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-sad-emoji-getting-disintegrated-into-dust-denigrating-denigrating-face-emoji-meme-lol-gif-27508363

[pale basalt]

I’m making this a thing this is funny

[summer steeple]

PLEASE do

[green tulip]

wait why was command aliasing disabled for almost everything?

[small siren]

*wait why was command

aliasing disabled for

almost everything?*

- goodusername12345

[summer steeple]

exploit fixing

[pale basalt]

It’s missing context

[potent wolf]

yes i love bullshit strings derived from code

[summer steeple]

coms is checking if its properly fixed and then will document what the issue is if so

sick of github.com i'm going desktop

[pale basalt]

It’s an override command alias exploit

[livid urchin]

it looks like commentary_finishnode, explode, and kill cannot be aliased anymore, but I don't get an error for the others.

[summer steeple]

the only commands that should be aliasable are input commands

[small siren]

the only commands

that should be aliasable

are input commands

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

i.e. +/- commands

[pale basalt]

Would that break some fancy scripts?

[green tulip]

probably

[pale basalt]

Interesting

[summer steeple]

steam replay functionality!

even for fucking passtime lol

[formal dew]

Yo

[rare creek]

sex

[formal dew]

Cool

[potent wolf]

hi!

[summer steeple]

war paint item description formatting string?

[radiant merlin]

they may have added a string to fix syntax of war paints?

[summer steeple]

wait what the fuck

[radiant merlin]

in other languages?

[formal dew]

Are there any updates to the base 64 bit client

[summer steeple]

ohhh

[radiant merlin]

for the steak

[potent wolf]

?

[summer steeple]

hide custom decals is an advanced option too it looks like

plus new tooltip on disabling sprays

[potent wolf]

thats in the patch notes

[summer steeple]

oh i only saw that they said they added the cvar

kick via scoreboard?

[formal dew]

they fixed a missing executable but I didn't see anything relating to the 64 bit client itself or the vulkan renderer

[potent wolf]

???

[formal dew]

what

[potent wolf]

what would be related to 64bit client

[formal dew]

crashes or perf?

because of the theory that the 64 bit public push was expedited because of that other bug fix

few months ago

[potent wolf]

oh i see

[summer steeple]

the winter maps added to casual year round appear to be frosty, haarp, snowtower, rumford, and hacksaw

[tough locust]

nice though snowtower is a weird one

[summer steeple]

pan update?

[radiant merlin]

THEY FUCKING DID IT

[spare obsidian]

did what

[tough locust]

what even was broken with it

[summer steeple]

also the hoodoo update came with an updated navmesh, might just be because of the change tho

[formal dew]

They reversed the string like csgo

[radiant merlin]

the syntax was wrong in other languages

[radiant merlin]

not yet

[formal dew]

Nvm then

[radiant merlin]

i just edited it, but it can be changed now

[formal dew]

nice

[tough locust]

oh yeah its a scattergun dragon slayer instead of a dragon slayer scattergun.. weird

[summer steeple]

tf modevents.res changes

more passtime stuff

and a new event for local player building something

[formal dew]

Passtimers eating good

[tough locust]

is haarp in ctf or attack defend or misc

[radiant merlin]

someone check if middle click still kicks you from casual in passtime

[tough locust]

weird

[summer steeple]

this is a great taunt

[tough locust]

does this mean that the reload animations will look fast as fuck in mvm now

[summer steeple]

lets find out

uh

i didn't edit anything this is just bigrock

but if vscript can now read some popfile stuff

this is huge

[jagged pawn]

HOLY SHIT HADAL IS IN

AND ATOM SMASH

THIS GAME IS PEAK

[kind falcon]

3 months later... its so over bros

[jagged pawn]

lmao

[orchid sorrel]

Why no war paint

[summer steeple]

yes

[livid urchin]

They hate good maps and also all warpaints

[proper tangle]

Does this mean I can't to my pootis spam in spawn anymore?

[tough locust]

lol

[limpid panther]

lol

[jagged pawn]

oh my god

probed is real

[summer steeple]

haarp is CTF

[proper tangle]

someone please tell me my pootis spam is safe

[grizzled chasm]

Gonna try out the update in a bit, anyone have any suggestions on what maps to try out first?

[mental warren]

so what actually needs to be updated in huds currently

[summer steeple]

likely nothing

[mental warren]

hexhud is crashing

[summer steeple]

there is no change here potato mvm downloaded a fucking mapspawn.nut file because they forgor to remove it

[jagged pawn]

btw which christmas maps is it? haarp/frosty/rumford?

[summer steeple]

#1072696252162117752 message

[left sand]

quickplay vindicated

[jagged pawn]

ty

[rare creek]

what do yoy mean

oh no

[left sand]

maps added to casual

[spare obsidian]

quickplay ded

[rare creek]

0 players online with your filters 😭

[summer steeple]

in the red spawn straight up "jorkin it". and by "it", haha, well. lets justr say. My panic attack

[proper tangle]

Wait I can't use competitive

[summer steeple]

sorry this video is better

watch with audio off

[radiant merlin]

xd

[heavy solar]

@radiant merlin has leveled up! (23 ➜ 24)

[orchid sorrel]

That casual bar is still in mvm graaah

[summer steeple]

i need to take this video without the crosshair and then just like

loop it and make it a gif

[pale basalt]

[summer steeple]

thank you

off the bat, steam replay sure does have some support in tf2

but who knows it might grab that from the steam rich presence

[kind falcon]

what is your pootis spam

[rare creek]

horse's menu fix is now broken forever 💔 @high current

[radiant merlin]

mmm i don't have decals disabled why my decal isn't appearing?

[rare creek]

the decals are hosted on steam servers

expect it not to work 99% of the time

[eternal haven]

admin.google.com

admin.youtube.com

[left sand]

@eternal haven what are you posting those here for

[eternal haven]

Idk

niterux name

[left sand]

oh

i didnt notice

[rare creek]

i am official

[kind falcon]

<@&1055886530981396510>

[rare creek]

prease turn off youre adblocker

[summer steeple]

NO

[glad marsh]

can someone test if you're able to alias disconnect

alias dc disconnect

[stuck locust]

that would work fine

[glad marsh]

what commands would break aliases?

[stuck locust]

it only breaks if you try to alias an existing convar

i.e. alias mat_antialias "echo hi"

[midnight pewter]

literally what is even the point

[glad marsh]

ic

[proper tangle]

binding a button to say "put dispenser" and switch loadout after a small delay

so it just say "pootis"

[glad marsh]

i just saw someone post that they couldn't alias disconnect but i tried it and it worked just fine

[high current]

Why'd they do this? is it exploitable?
I feel like its only done by configs to prevent people doing dumb stuff

[glad marsh]

ig skill issue

[rare creek]

because mastercoms evil

they told valve to removle it

[summer steeple]

yes thats fine

[left sand]

#announcements📰 message here is my explanation, i decided not to detail the exploit because of other unpatched source games

[summer steeple]

what they changed is that you can't alias a pre-existing command

[midnight pewter]

oh mcom are you responsible for that

[high current]

yeh but it was sooooooo useful

[midnight pewter]

did you email valve or something

i assume it can be used maliciously or else it wouldn't be patched

but idk how

i guess thats why mcoms isn't detailing it

[high current]

I understood the implementation, I'm just sad that now we can't disallow people from overwriting things or fixing clunky ui navigation by overwriting menu navigation convars

[jagged pawn]

people ask this literally every update lmao, it's because they don't put the checkmark on them. but many community fixes have been added

[tough locust]

this is a bug with custom decals, itll show the decal of the first other person with an objector in first person

[midnight pewter]

yeah i think they pick and choose

[pale basalt]

wasnt this used to block certain commands from being ran?

[midnight pewter]

like they dont add the entire entry

[languid haven]

Updated the description of the Buffalo Steak Sandvich to display the increased damage vulnerability while active fucking finally, now all they have to do is remove the vulnerability. or at least the speed cap and have it reduce your hp by 50% instead of that 1/3 shit.

[midnight pewter]

but just pick one specific fix from it if they do multiple things

[midnight pewter]

there are so many other items that can have updated descriptions...

[languid haven]

i was reading the change log

[midnight pewter]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2363002946

like why not just add all of this

[languid haven]

Fixed the Neon Annihilator not getting crit-attacks when hitting players covered with gas YEEEEEES

[radiant merlin]

it should be "while the effect is active"

[proper tangle]

I appreciate the pootis reference

[summer steeple]

lmao

[radiant merlin]

it is misleading why volvo is lying?

[left sand]

they arent

literally the patch note explains it perfectly

its just people are reading it a bit wrong

[languid haven]

the only issue i have now is, does it really mean 16 seconds on eating or when the taunt has ended?

[soft lynx]

Second Banana doesn't have a "while the effect is active" either

[languid haven]

also i think it should have it'ss taunt speed increase. you're already more vulnerable with it and the taunt is reducing the amount of time you can use it.

[proper tangle]

This is kinda funny

[languid haven]

did they fuck with the tide turner?

[slender nexus]

wait did the summer update drop yet

[languid haven]

feels weird

[next nymph]

pinion is so fucking back

[rare creek]

https://tenor.com/view/minions-despicable-me-laughing-gif-17201073

MINIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zealous pond]

If pinion returned that would make this actually worthwhile. Miss that leprechaun.

[craggy ridge]

TF2 UPDATED IN MY BIRTHDAY
WHAT

AND IT'S FUCKING HUGE TOO

THEY BUFFED THE GAS PASSER

[proper tangle]

WAKE UP GORDON

[proper tangle]

congrats

[kind falcon]

congrats on becoming a day older vro

[rare creek]

wow

[rare creek]

watch this blow up with 1000 redditors disagreeing with me https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/4526764179303927002/

[potent wolf]

ok.

[grim parcel]

fake mumbers

[left sand]

Okay I WILL disclose one part of the workshop exploit which wasn't discovered by anyone, which has been fixed by Valve probably from my report

When you close that workshop menu, it restores sv_cheats to the value that it was set to prior to it being opened

You could have set sv_cheats 1 on the main menu, kept the workshop menu open while you connect to a server

And then closed it while in game, and it would "reset" the value back to sv_cheats 1

Since sv_cheats is reset when connecting to a server

The fix was to just skip the whole sv_cheats process if sv_cheats was already enabled, it didn't make sense to set and restore sv_cheats 1 if it was already 1

[rare creek]

how about dont set sv cheats

[left sand]

People were needing to set keybinds for sv_cheats exploits because the console didn't work very well while the workshop menu was opened

Since everyone thought you needed to have the workshop menu open for sv_cheats to be on

but this version of the exploit worked around that issue

[tough locust]

stay tuned for the pinion pot o gold!!!

[eternal haven]

Im pretty sure they only set it so they could run r_flushlod, mat_reloadallmaterials, and cl_soundemitter_flush

[rare creek]

setting sv_cheats is fucking stupid can valve not code everything in the worst way possible

[eternal haven]

they could have just used the functions instead of the concommands for those

[small siren]

*they could have just used

the functions instead of the

concommands for those*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[eternal haven]

though I guess that opens up other issues

[rare creek]

why are those sv_cheats protected in the first place those commands are literally harmless

[left sand]

And yes, it's unfortunate that every command is now blocked in alias

I had reported a subset of commands I thought would be bad

[eternal haven]

Necessary though

[left sand]

but I guess they decided to be more strict

[eternal haven]

other option is adding checks in a ton of places

[left sand]

not really?

there was already a way to block aliases

they did it for like dsp_player and some others before

[rare creek]

lmao someone mad at the funny spoon????

[left sand]

I only suggested adding some commands to that existing list

but, I agree with their decision to block everything

because it is much safer

and disabling functionality through aliases was always an exploit

[eternal haven]

I doubt it's really that widely used anyways

apart from mastercomfig antialias

[left sand]

Well

lots of people made adblocker scripts

and other annoyance blockers

[rare creek]

great. valve has become fucking google now. look what youdi

[left sand]

and some HUD customization could be done through it

by blocking certain HUD commands

but yeah, it seems no one thought of the true power of this exploit

[next nymph]

can I run alias alias quit anymore?

[rare creek]

im goign to write a cheat to restore the previous behavior

[left sand]

nope :(

[rare creek]

google.com hook

[eternal haven]

Was there ever a way to revert back to the original after aliasing something?

I guess probably not

[next nymph]

there was a small handful of commands that had two different names, like scoreboard commands. You could (or I guess still can, since they're "movement" commands) just re-alias one to the other to restore its functionality

but in general, no

[left sand]

idk why the patch note says "movement" commands

when in the console it says "input"

[next nymph]

they should call them coefficient commands

[misty plover]

Was the gas passer working with the neon annihilator now documented in the changeset I don't remember

[potent wolf]

it was

[misty plover]

[left sand]

yeah it was a community request from months ago lol

apparently it was always intended

and it just didn't work due to a bug

[potent wolf]

https://knockout.chat/thread/57603/22#post-2121073

[paper sluice]

HT MF DOOM MASK IS REAL?/1/1

oh my gyatt

https://tenor.com/view/mfdoom-i-have-hired-mfdoom-to-stare-at-you-gif-27495965

instant buy

[uncut spear]

SAME WTF

god plz don't let it be like $10 or above 😭

[paper sluice]

https://vxtwitter.com/robloxxerisgone/status/1814028056551645281

the sniper shaking his head no

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1099127552137764975.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=sobin

[proper tangle]

Forgive me I have sinned, for I bought a couple keys

[wild grove]

This is basically the bushwacka + jarate combo but for pyro.

[tough locust]

preloading working for anyone after the update? its working fine for me but lots of ppl r saying that it isnt working

[rare creek]

works fine for me

[jade scroll]

"crash when having alias named exit" lol. lmao.

[summer steeple]

it definitely is interesting, I assumed that it was intentional since it seems like the kind of thing valve would've looked at and intentionally made it not work since they figured it'd be too strong to have pyro get a guaranteed crit like that

[mystic turtle]

happy birthday. my siffrin pfp sends their regards
enjoy the update or smth

:)

[radiant merlin]

I swear the jungle inferno update was just like 2 gb idk why this patch was 8gb

[glass musk]

It was like 1 GB for me

[proper tangle]

same, 1gb for me

[potent wolf]

1GB download, 8GB decompressed

[tacit flare]

Any other interesting unlisted changes?

[crisp cedar]

quick rundown of the new maps:
10 new maps

• embargo, payload map set in a cuban casino with a completely unique environmental aesthetic, has features like a soundtrack, new announcer for each team, tanks, dynamic payload system where gameplay changes according to the checkpoint and money laundering (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3237930087)
• odyssey, payload map set in ancient ruins, blu must descend from hilltop to destroy red's marble cutting machine so they cant create a quarry (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3236834988)
• megaton, tiny koth map rooted in design trends from early maps of the late 2000s, set in a tiny island where a nuke rests just above the control point, blowing up on round end (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3237391660)
• cachoeira, jungle themed koth map with piranhas that can kill you (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3237877144)
• overgrown, a/d map with a jungle theme, has a train mechanic where after capturing the first point the attackers can ride a train into a flank route ( https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=503939302)
• hadal, a/d map with 4 control points, gimmick is that the final point is always accessible (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=804251853)
• applejack, ctf map set in a colorful apple orchard (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3219571335)
• atom smash, player destruction map where you need to collect irradiated australium to power up a doomsday device, map layout inspired by classic hl1 deathmatch maps (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2890208830)
• canaveral, 5cp map set in a space race where you need to seize the enemy's launchpad to launch a rocket (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2966121685)
• burghausen, medieval mode a/d map with 3 stages (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=454268748)

for those who are too lazy/cant investigate

i wrote this up for a different server but posting here too without link markdown

[left sand]

maybe steam replays

ctf_haarp is now an attack defend map

[jagged pawn]

good

[limpid panther]

omg

cachoeira no way

[summer steeple]

WHAT THE FUCK

OH SHIT

this was today, cause i opened the game earlier and this wasn't here

[formal dew]

its been an entire year since the emergence of the grill

our new benefactor

[mystic turtle]

oh hey, I got some as well

[velvet raft]

have you guys heard of Team Fortress 2

is a great game

[mystic turtle]

I haven't, I've only heard of Typical Colors 2

[orchid sorrel]

every time i join an apple jack map it seems like theres like 3-4 engies on each side

[mystic turtle]

how defensible is the intel for a ctf map

is this, like, 2fort intel levels of defensible
or is it a bit more open

[orchid sorrel]

its a little cramped, but the intel is surrounded by 2 different flank routes

and its really easy to get to the flank

theres usually a sentry on both red circles (occasionally the bottom sentry moves to yellow circle)

fun map tho

[unborn pecan]

wait wuh

time to load tf2

[radiant merlin]

i got sick of the 5 point payload paradigma, mappers should turn their maps into 4 points

like rumford

[summer steeple]

man

I wanted to buy stuff

but the paypal window just says "security challenge" and is a blank window

nothing for me i guess

[fleet kite]

That's how secure it is

[eternal haven]

Impressive

[jagged pawn]

imo so far

https://tiermaker.com/create/team-fortress-2-summer-2024-maps-17323170

[summer steeple]

hadal is interesting

I was only able to play it once

[jagged pawn]

I have a lot of experience with hadal on community maps, it's a classic

[summer steeple]

but it felt very tight and it felt like capping the points makes it harder to cap last lol

[jagged pawn]

oh agreed on that part for sure lol

but what I really like about it is that it's probably the only steel-type map I've ever played where my team actually knew what they were doing lol

[summer steeple]

i guess

[jagged pawn]

the color coding of the map is very aggressive but at the end of the day it makes people play well so I'm glad it's there

[summer steeple]

its small so its harder to get lost (i still get lost)

but yeah

the color coding, the literal map in blu spawn

all to make it smoother

although I really do question lasts design because i have no clue where i'm supposed to attack from as blue

[jagged pawn]

"hmm they are capping the red point, I am going to run around until I see a red wall" is so much better than "hmm they are capping d.. well that sucks"

[summer steeple]

the only spot i found is... next to a spawn door

and its the ramp that you get after you cap C

[jagged pawn]

I think the best strat on last is to build a tele that takes your team to C and attack from there, gives you high ground that red struggles to contest