Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[rare creek]

borts

[summer steeple]

bort

[rare creek]

bots

[summer steeple]

I can't wait for coms player stats site to come up

i'm very curious

[rare creek]

100% of players are bots

[next nymph]

its me, im idling on main menu on 130000 accounts

[eternal haven]

This number is correct though

or at least close to correct

it's supposed to be the number of players in servers listed in the public list, which is about what it is

there's no real way to track the players who aren't in servers or are in unlisted servers

[left sand]

the number isnt correct for a few reasons

well

i guess like, what its advertising, yes its correct for the most part

but what people understand from it

no its not correct

[unborn pecan]

teamwork.tf is bad because zetem used it

[left sand]

the problem with it is that steam samples player counts in real-time, and players currently having a connection to steam running that game

the player count is geocached to 10 minutes

[eternal haven]

more like 15 minutes

it's kinda wishy washy

[left sand]

however, teamwork.tf samples an instant in time every hour

so, if, for any reason, it fails to sample a player at that instant, it's going to be counted in the steam number but not the teamwork number

[fleet kite]

Ib4 in a couple of days Valve tweets
"There, we fixed it. Impatient much?"

[wild grove]

idk, why should a player care, are players really that insecure that a 15+ year old game is not at 1 mil players or something?

[left sand]

theres several reasons why sampling players would fail

[eternal haven]

I think people mostly care about why there seem to be a lot of accounts that are unaccounted for

eg. not playing in servers

[left sand]

one, depending on what method they use, the master server list will not return a complete list of servers all the time

two, servers have an immense amount of churn, especially valve servers because of how casual is run

so, you need to do point based sampling to get an estimate at an "instant" but multi-sample around that range

then, imo, its not very meaningful to get live game server count, so even that multi sampling is going to be undercounting real players

what you want is count active game sessions

[eternal haven]

If you could get the steam ids of players in a server that would make it a lot easier imo

but no real way to do that

[left sand]

i.e, trace each individual account contributing to the concurrent user count

and basically tracking their behavior in terms of how long they will contribute to the count on average, based upon a cooldown/warmup metric averaged from an estimation from player count trends correlating to game servers over time

that way, you can track the count of real players contributing to the steam player count, and when

and then the rest, will be the count of bots

you have to imagine each individual user that makes up the count as an individual probabilistic strand

is that known user currently online on TF2? whats the likelihood of them being online? well, if theyre on a server, the probability is 1

otherwise, the probability is unknown, but we can guess that as time goes on that they arent in a game, the probability of them being online on TF2 dwindles

we can backtrace this information, if a player rejoins a game later on while our probability of them being online is still non-zero, we can update our probability metric to affirm that they did continue to be online

[kind falcon]

@frosty coral

[left sand]

then, you have to also imagine not only as individual strands but these players being grouped into different kinds of "players"

these are what comprise our layers

so we can have a user behavior model for each player layer

some player layers can remain fairly constant, or follow a deterministic model (because they are automated in some way)

[frosty coral]

mega scatter bomb

[left sand]

some player models are competitive oriented, so they follow some timeline to competitive pugs

some exclusively play on valve servers

some exclusively play on farming/achievement servers

etc

[kind falcon]

Thanks!

[eternal haven]

How would you differentiate the players who just load up a private server while working on a map or to goof around with bots from actual bot accounts?

I've seen quite a few people doing things like that who have accidentally made their listen server public

I can only imagine how many there are who keep it private

[left sand]

so theres actually kind of a self selection there, players using a listen server on windows that report to the master server usually are casual players IMO, but i exclude them anyway because theres like 10 of them usually

its unfortunate, because it means our real players statistic would be an undercount

but i would rather undercount than make up an unfounded guess for information we dont have

like, theres no basis for estimating how many players are playing on a private listen server legitimately

because theres 0 indication or data, besides scraping people with public game data on (which is an area of investigation)

[eternal haven]

Also I bet some people just leave tf2 open

[left sand]

yes they do

[eternal haven]

I've left it open for like a week

[left sand]

me too

[eternal haven]

either while messing around with stuff or just too lazy to wait for it to load

[left sand]

but those are part of the probabilistic model

if we see a reduction in player count that correlates to the players leaving, then we can assume them left, otherwise we have to continue to analyze if we are seeing replacement or if we see idling

[next nymph]

if the main focus is just "are these bots or legitimate players" then a legitimate player accidentally leaving the game open isn't the worst thing, anyway

[eternal haven]

it's just impossible to distinguish

[left sand]

theres always an infinitely small chance that people will leave their game open forever

but we can discard these results usually

anyways, this is the kind of work id expect someone to do if they were claiming to do data work

rather than claiming hard data analysis and this being their work:

[eternal haven]

Usually you at least have a way to check the performance of your model

[left sand]

literally 0 dimensions in their results

[eternal haven]

with this you really don't

[left sand]

you can technically

[jagged pawn]

this would be extremely helpful if someone could find

[left sand]

i misremembered

also

we have no guarantee that giftapults are truly random

even if they generated a random result in terms of a random generated number to select a steam ID

(which this is how they work, they randomly select a steam ID)

(we know that much at least from public data)

then, if they did it naively, which we know they probably did

steam IDs are non-random

they can actually be abused in terms of signups, at least before a certain point, i do believe valve patched it eventually but idk how well

and even then, theyre still non-random but cant be abused

so anyway, any unbiased selection of steam ID by integer generation would result in a biased selection from different clusters of steam IDs

you have to introduce bias into your random number generation to counteract the bias in steam ID generation

[kind falcon]

what if 😱 they made giftapults 😱 send gifts 😱 to people 😱 that are on public/casual servers 😱

[left sand]

i would heavily doubt at the point that giftapults were introduced, they were aware of this and many things suggest that they werent

and i really dont believe they would update the giftapult code to counteract this

so, we cant really exactly trust giftapult distribution data

i believe the number given was 70% of giftapults went to bots at a peak player time

also, i really dont know why if they have so many resources they cant query the master server list themselves and control the data they receive, rather than using teamwork.tf

[left sand]

this is what i was remembering

they were describing how a future system would work

[eternal haven]

How would you even do 2?

Without steam ids it's not really possible to tell whether it's the same player or unique players with the same name

[velvet raft]

do you guys like Team Fortress 2?

[eternal haven]

no

[left sand]

you can tell through heuristics and lookups

for example, 2 people connected to 2 different servers

[small siren]

*for example, 2

people connected to 2

different servers*

- mcoms

[left sand]

that is going to be legitimate

or 2 people connected to the same server

but one has a different ID prefix

then you just lookup bot names through reverse steam ID, though recently its easy since theres no bots

[eternal haven]

You still can't tell in all cases

[left sand]

yes of course, its an estimate

none of this is 100% precision

but thats statistics

[eternal haven]

I mean maybe there's a way to get a list of steam ids from a server without connecting to it

I've never looked actually

but I doubt it

[left sand]

you cant

[eternal haven]

Valve technically has it

[left sand]

all you can do is correlate public information

[eternal haven]

with their master list

but they don't publicize that

[left sand]

valve has a lot of things

[next nymph]

why dont you just survey all the bot owners for how many they're running and subtract that by the total player count? That's got 100% precision

[left sand]

computers very rarely can actually generate 100% precise results

thats true

why didnt i think of that

jarateking, i will buy you 10000 tons of cheese

[next nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/video-game-this-is-skyrim-gif-8112409

[eternal haven]

I wonder what the incentive to run idle bots even is

if that's what people are doing

[left sand]

they can manipulate the market

you control the scrap supply, you control the key price

[eternal haven]

I don't get it

[wild grove]

Cases in tf2 are actually expensive af at first if you get a case early on, like at least 1$

[left sand]

and yes that too, for seasonal botters

[eternal haven]

wouldn't you have to spend more money on hosting than you would make from item drops?

[left sand]

but i honestly havent seen much evidence of seasonal botters

[fleet kite]

This conversation has this energy:

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-charlie-day-crazy-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-qanon-gif-23738584

[left sand]

you dont make money off the item drops

[wild grove]

More like: NERD NERD NERD NERD

[left sand]

you make money off of the market in general

because youre linked to a lot of trading volume

these schemes run very deep

[fleet kite]

Who would win: 10k idle tf2 bots or banana

[eternal haven]

Why do you have to GamesPlayed tf2 to do trading bots

[kind falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/233231551192760320/1189996604212662495/caption-10.gif

[kind falcon]

scrap smelting

decal removal etc

[eternal haven]

I see

I wonder if you show up in the total player count if you don't set your status to online

[fleet kite]

It's crazy what people will do to avoid contributing to society

[left sand]

incentives of capitalism be like: totally 100% efficient

[crisp cedar]

WTF why are they growing without profit incentive

[small siren]

*WTF

why are they growing without

profit incentive*

- rayne

[kind falcon]

be 114% efficient

[velvet raft]

666% efficient

[orchid sorrel]

secret saxtons are cooler than giftapults

although one time I did get a factory new killstreak skullcutter from a giftapult so they arent all bad i guess

its a shame bad actors ruined gift wrap

[wild grove]

Isnt gift wrap used primarily for signing items?

[orchid sorrel]

yeah nowadays thats basically its only use

[lean cove]

@orchid sorrel server crashed

[eternal haven]

[orchid sorrel]

do u remember what mission

[lean cove]

spatial impasse

a bit through wave three

[orchid sorrel]

hmm

[lean cove]

after a minute I could rejoin and it was back to wave one

server #2 usa

[orchid sorrel]

sm_continue will let you go back to w3

[lean cove]

yeah I did

but everyone else left

[orchid sorrel]

my lobby is voting for that rn

if theres a slot ill send you a connect link

[lean cove]

tysm

[orchid sorrel]

https://oo.potato.tf/connect/66.165.238.162:27017

@lean cove

[lean cove]

joining

[orchid sorrel]

still have a slot if you come back

just finished w2

o nvm someone took it

[turbid hill]

Are these just guesses ?

[tough locust]

that joint used to make untradable items tradable for like 6 years and then they patched it

I traded my black rose for something cool back in the day couldn't remember what it was tho

[high current]

Now tradable black roses are worth a kidney basically

Also kinda lame that you just flat out can’t get a black rose anymore

[tough locust]

can u still install AVA? i figure if u can install it you can still cheat in the achievement with steam achievement manager and it'll still work

[kind falcon]

if u have it in ur steam library 🤷‍♂️

[rare creek]

like avast?

[stuck locust]

alliance of valiant arms

[slender nexus]

I have one but it's untradable 😭

I put a team shine pro KS on it

[high current]

I had one on an old account I don’t use anymore. If I had foresight I should have gift wrapped it. But it was so easy to get I figured I’d just get it again from whatever game it was a promo for.

[broken haven]

https://vxtwitter.com/reevierat/status/1807828459634245788

[hoary geyser]

tf2 has been saved

[turbid hill]

We can stop #fixtf2 now

we did it

we saved TF2, reddit gold!! no more boycott, buy all cases and keys!!

[wild grove]

Imagine if the next 3D worms has TF2 cosmetics? That'd be awesome.

[summer steeple]

they bring back the tf2 maps but its just 2fort directly ported

[wild grove]

That's what they did with the reloaded forts lol

just a part of the map with the cutout of a class

Wanted dustbowl stage 1 last?

Pyro on hydro?

Scout on granary last

Engie on 2fort

[summer steeple]

ye but what I mean is that for a 3d game it should just be 2fort

like ctf_2fort.bsp

[slender nexus]

😭

[velvet raft]

thanks for the clarification

[wild grove]

Idk if it would be possible to port direct since it's likely they use voxel tech for landscapes, thankfully we can see how that would work by creating a custom map for Worms 4/Worms Ultimate Mayhem (since both games are the most modded of the 3D titles.)

or was it poxel?

[summer steeple]

probably voxel

definitely some work would need to be done because of how source handles geo

but i know there's ports of like, CS maps into teardown, which is also voxel

[wild grove]

would be cool to get into 3d worms mapping to make 2fort lol

[small siren]

*would be cool to get

into 3d worms mapping

to make 2fort lol*

- woshee

[wild grove]

I would have to tweak the level design tho, no underground areas.

the water under the bridge would be a death pit

[cursive peak]

https://www.twitch.tv/rglgg

Highlander soon.

[velvet raft]

Thanks for the information.

[cursive peak]

And here it goes.

[velvet raft]

nice

[rare creek]

why is everyone running around as shotgun heavy what did i miss

[stuck locust]

uncle dane

[rare creek]

?

[high current]

There are two strange ranks spaced 1 kill apart

[stuck locust]

congrats!

[rare creek]

wtf why

[high current]

You just got 2 kills at whatever threshold

Idk I assume it was a funny meme from whenever stranges were first added

iirc it’s like 300 and 301? Im probably wrong

[rare creek]

i have 1000 kills

[high current]

Oh it’s 999 and 1000

I guess because it’s funny that you’re only totally ordinary for a brief period of time?

That or maybe it’s a reference to how some people thought September 9, 1999 would be the end of the world because the date would be 9999, the arbitrarily high number in a lot of computer systems. Maybe they wanted to reference that but not wait till 10k kills for the joke?

Or it’s just haha funny 1000 kill meme and not any deeper than that.

[rare creek]

probly an accident

[tough locust]

bc valve felt like a loittle bit cheeky when they were making the strange levels

[high current]

I doubt it was an accident. 999 and 1000 are like opposite sides of the keyboard and “totally ordinary” and all other strange ranks are very different.

Maybe they originally intended 999 kills to be hales own, and then they realized that was very easy to achieve in testing?

[tough locust]

the TF2 devs have a weird tendency to use random numbers that i can never tell are a reference to something or are just completely random. "australian" rank for the stranges is 7616, the great deflate is 79

[high current]

Why is hales own 8500 wtf? I thought it was 10,000

[tough locust]

also this one like why 139

[tough locust]

australian might be a reference to robin walker's birthday since he was born in 1976 but nobody knows the actual day that his birthday is on

[next nymph]

139 is:

• the 34th prime number.
• a twin prime with 137.
• a Chen prime with 141.
• the smallest prime before a prime gap of length 10.
• the sum of five consecutive prime numbers (19 + 23 + 29 + 31 + 37).
• the smallest factor of 64079 which is the smallest Lucas number with prime index which is not prime.
• the smallest factor of the first nine terms of the Euclid–Mullin sequence, making it the tenth term.
• a happy number.
• a strictly non-palindromic number.

[hoary geyser]

a happy number.
which numbers are sad?

[hidden gyro]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1dtjyqu/a_banned_bot_hoster_goes_onto_4chan_to_attempt_to/

Goes on 4chan
As if a shit ton of tf2 maps weren't 4chan shitposts back in the day

[high current]

Why turn to 4chan for sympathy? Isn’t 4chan like THE place for the most messed up stuff/people on the public internet?

[next nymph]

tbh i thought those responses were pretty tame

kinda disappointed in 4chan here, in a different way than usual

[high current]

True they really just gave them a “what’d you expect” basically

[radiant merlin]

7616 angel number

[unborn pecan]

Looks like this person is a novice linux user from thr fast their firefox browser still has a bunch of the default manjaro stuff

I remember cathook distributing a manjaro fork

[hidden gyro]

Why manjaro

lmao

[unborn pecan]

cause it's the easiest way to get Arch

[hidden gyro]

Arch isn't hard to install ??????

[unborn pecan]

it is for cheaters

arch is a lot of fun to install, but you gotta remember to do a lot of small things

[hidden gyro]

I mean TF2 is hard for cheaters

[unborn pecan]

Like setting up fstrim timers, btrfs scrub timers, setting up swap, zram, sysctl.d

all that stuff

[high current]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen my odometer has ever read 7616.

Ig my guardian angel ghosted me :(

[hidden gyro]

The idiots just have to read

God damn

[unborn pecan]

fr

[turbid hill]

Botters just want to gather attention, not learn how to actually use computers

The current ban waves have exposed quite a few as teenagers who definitely don't know a whole lot about programming

[high current]

I’m surprised there’s not more viruses being hidden in bot hosting code. If that many people aren’t well enough versed in computers to know how to install Linux on their own, know way they’re versed enough to check source code for malicious stuff.

[potent wolf]

Arch users just want to gather attention, not learn how to actually use computers

[turbid hill]

Yeah I'm surprised no one tried that

[unborn pecan]

false

[turbid hill]

Some hosters even took down their githubs because they were led to believe Valve was shutting them down and seeking legal actions

[eternal haven]

For every bot hoster that is not a mouth breathing idiot, there are 10 who are

At least

Most of them are not able to do anything more than download a pre-made solution and run it

[unborn pecan]

true

[next nymph]

true

[opal bolt]

what do you guys think about speed shots

[rare creek]

need to be made more consistent

[eternal haven]

Aren't they already consistent?

I'm not really a jumper but from what I've heard speedshots are consistent and there's no randomness or anything about it

[rare creek]

there's no randomness but it's tick perfect

so if you have a 60hz monitor it's basically impossible to hit it every time

[eternal haven]

I don't think it's tick perfect

to one tick

unless you're going insanely fast or something

a ctap for example is harder to time right than a speedshot

[rare creek]

it is tick perfect

[rare creek]

ctaps are way way easier to time than bunny hopping in my experience

[eternal haven]

A full height ctap is just as hard to time as a bhop if not harder

[small siren]

*A full height ctap is

just as hard to time as a

bhop if not harder*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[eternal haven]

speedshots are easier than both

at least for me

I guess you are timing different things

you can ctap without looking at your screen

you need to look at your screen to bhop

[velvet raft]

you can bhop in TF2?

[eternal haven]

Jumping term

If you jump the same tick as you touch a tele you don't get tele'd

[small siren]

*If you jump the same

tick as you touch a tele

you don't get tele'd*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[eternal haven]

or something like that, I don't know how it works

[next nymph]

or with the market gardener, you can bhop to preserve the crits

[summer steeple]

you can't gain acceleration via bhopping in tf2 but you can still use it to maintain momentum or, as jarateking mentioned, preserve the "in air" status for things like market gardener or the air strike

[mystic turtle]

this maintenance of momentum also allows certain otherwise impossible jumps, like jumping directly onto the 2fort bridge roof from battlements as a Spy/Medic

altho this usecase is much rarer than its main use: air strike/market gardener buff preservation

[spare obsidian]

and they never send thge letters

[rare creek]

average manjaro user

[velvet raft]

really? but i remember i gained a little bit of velocity as a Pyro with the powerjack

[uncut spear]

it gives you speed when you hold it out

it's not the bhop that does it afaik

[kind falcon]

ermmm actually you can gain accel and the status is more like "blast jump" 🤓

[velvet raft]

i know, it's just that the powejack makes it easier for me

it was in a skial server tho, idk if that has something to do with it

[radiant merlin]

If valve can fix that bug where you can touch resupplies thru walls but they won't because jumpers are complaining instead of adapting their maps

That would be funny

[radiant merlin]

💀

[jagged pawn]

poor swood

he thinks they'll still learn

[wild grove]

IT'S FOR BUGS you fucking IDIOT

[uncut spear]

well there are feature requests tho, no? (not like those will ever be listened to lol)

[velvet raft]

😟

[wild grove]

me at that moment

https://tenor.com/view/yelling-cloud-old-man-news-gif-14394596

[uncut spear]

mf is NOT letting anyone eat the roach poison cheese

[velvet raft]

my apolocheese

[turbid hill]

Whaat are speed shots

[turbid hill]

I wonder how much of these are bots

And yeah I don't really know if sending all of that paper will help much

[kind falcon]

like backshots but speed

[turbid hill]

I see

Speedy back shots?

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-20488471

[fleet kite]

I work with linux professionally and I have no idea what most of these are 💀

I mean aside from swap

[jade scroll]

They have said multiple times they make absolutely sure all signatures are legit. Only reason to think they are lying is in bad faith imo

Also this was never meant to be a massive moment lol. I'm still genuinely surprised some people think sending valve the printed out petitions would be this cartoonish good ending moment

They storm right into the office of gabe Newell's office himself and slam the petitions on his desk, and he goes "oh my God I was so wrong!! 1 million updates to tf2!" And then they hug and there are rainbows in the sky

This is a symbolic thing and not a single rational person, including those running #fixtf2, ever actually thought anything like that would happen

[left sand]

gabe isnt there though

[turbid hill]

I know it's just a symbolic thing

I just wonder exactly how they'll verify if every signature is real

Still pretty cool to know that a lot of people still care about the game and now play it again because of the bots being gone

We've yet to hear from Valve on if this is a long term commitment or not though

[high current]

I honestly wouldn’t even bother verifying them. Call me lazy, but 300k signatures is a very reasonable number of signatures to expect for something like this.
Also valve isn’t going to verify all the signatures are legit, so why bother?

[eternal haven]

Yeah what's even the point of botting the signatures

Nobody would gain anything from doing that

[fleet kite]

I mean they could do a vague effort by authenticating with steam and all that

[grim parcel]

sysctls are pretty cool

[high current]

You already had to have an email linked to the signature. I feel like verifying beyond that is just effort that they’re not going to take. And I wouldn’t take that effort either

If we had like 1 million signatures, I’d raise an eyebrow. But naw

[tough locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7zgnDlPtPY apparently 8 maps are gonna be in the summer update? more than i expected tbh but it's not like it takes valve any effort to add that many anywho

[turbid hill]

Fair enough

I don't think the number's outrageous either tbf

[turbid hill]

So many maaaaps

[summer steeple]

last year was 14

4 of which being vsh

so you could consider it to be like 10 last year

[rare creek]

and we only know 8 minimum, there could always be more

[summer steeple]

honestly though i'm not gonna watch this video

but leaks just annoy me

[rare creek]

summer update!!!!!!!!!!

[summer steeple]

like just shut up for like 2 seconds if you're involved in something getting added

[tough locust]

all he said was thet there's gonna be at least 8 maps its just 6 minutes of yapping

[crisp cedar]

i do not condone leaking... but when it comes to things that are already leaked... you know im slurping that shit up like a cockroach

that being said this isnt interesting

[summer steeple]

yeah sometimes I feel like a bit of an asshole

in that I spend so much time looking at the leaked tf2 code

but hate leaks

[turbid hill]

Updates are nice but I am a bit tired of simply new maps and cosmetics being thrown at us as the only source of content

Like I get it, life support and all of that

But I personally just don't care ahah

[summer steeple]

thats fair, to be honest as a mapper myself I just like that we're getting non-event maps

[turbid hill]

Oh I agree

Non event maps are cool to see

I think it's probably just fatigue stemming from just how old the game is, you can make a near infinite amount of good maps

[tough locust]

my only fear is that casual is gonna get stretched too thin, there's already like 90 maps in the basegame pool (almost 180 when halloween is active) and there's not enough players to fill all those maps simultaneously

[turbid hill]

I think it'd be interesting if there'd be a system that gives incentive to play on less popular maps every week or so

[summer steeple]

honestly I used to worry about that but all things considered like

valve is the one hosting the servers

[tough locust]

true double xp for dumbass hydro

[summer steeple]

as long as there are enough servers to hold all the people

I don't think there will be too many instances of like

non-full servers

[turbid hill]

Casual has a large enough player pool to choose from

Most players get choice overload and select specific gamemodes at best

with like, a few exclusions for the really bad maps

[summer steeple]

its already hard to get into any of the misc gamemodes aside from PLR

the issue is usually the gamemodes, not the maps

especially because the servers rotate maps

[turbid hill]

Me want player destruction permanentaly added as a core gamemode

It's like CTF but cooler

[tough locust]

gonna be 💯 i think the only reason that valve doesn't add PD as its own section is because they don't have any new renders for the gamemodes and there arent any artists working on the game to add them

like even for the summer update i think they just used the jungle inferno render

[turbid hill]

That's a possibility ahah, though they did have a grill with grenades and rockets as a summer update render

[summer steeple]

yeah they actually did do that last year

and it looks really weird

because its clearly like

not rendered in source 1

[turbid hill]

Yeah lmao

[tough locust]

tru eric had to work overtime for that thing

[summer steeple]

so the materials look all weird

[turbid hill]

And honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case

At this point TF2 gets so little support that a single render could stop an entire gamemode from being added to the main pool

[tough locust]

yeah and also the renders are supposed to be characters bc if you get the little "click play to get started!" popups, they're coming out of speech bubbles from the characters mouths so it just looks like the grill is talking to u

[summer steeple]

eh, valve does all the screenshots for the community maps, and they have plenty of renders sitting around

[tough locust]

i was glad that the community made the krampus render for last year, maybe they'll offer valve something to add instead of the grill lol

[summer steeple]

i should clarify, screenshots for the casual map stamps and contracts

[small siren]

*i should clarify,

screenshots for the casual

map stamps and contracts*

- treacherousfiend

[turbid hill]

I kinda wish we could get contracts for the summer update as well

Like interesting ones

I used to complete all merasmissions until the map pool got so bloated that I just physically didn't have the time to complete them all lol

[summer steeple]

there's a render I know is in the games files that I think is used

[small siren]

*there's a render I

know is in the games files

that I think is used*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

thats like

a screenshot from a scrapped version of a scrapped gamemode of badwater

but i'm not sure where

[turbid hill]

Did badwater have a different gamemode?

[summer steeple]

it was a test during development of raid mode

they did that quite a few times, take pre-existing maps and convert them for testing since its easier

[tough locust]

literally the only way to finish all of them is to queue up with your buddies and just play one match of every single map. I think it's super dumb that the order of maps doesn't get randomized either each year so it's like mann manor, harvest event, dumb crap over and over

[turbid hill]

I actually do not know what raid mode is, is it in the game rn?

[tough locust]

it got turned into MVM

[summer steeple]

yeah

[turbid hill]

Oh!

[summer steeple]

it was a precursor that was more like L4D

that eventually became MVM

[turbid hill]

I see I see

I forgot MvM existed

I should play it more!

[tough locust]

there's community missions going on rn at potato.tf that are exponentially more fun than the valve missions imo, some r pretty buggy but rlly good

[turbid hill]

I should give those a shot

[summer steeple]

you could play them now or wait for it to leave beta if you're worried about bugs

[turbid hill]

It's a shame MvM doesn't get the same kind of community-fueled updates as much as regular gamemodes

[summer steeple]

found it!

materials/vgui/cyoa/node_view_contract_map_yeti_parki_01.vtf

this is the map raid_badtower

its the first point of badwater mirrored and with a tower in the middle, for boss fight testing iirc

[tough locust]

niche I wonder what they were cooking, considering that it's 01 it's probably just a placeholder

[heavy solar]

@tough locust has leveled up! (11 ➜ 12)

[summer steeple]

i think it is, there's also 02 and its the same image

the image without a number is an actual image of merc park

[small siren]

*the image without

a number is an actual

image of merc park*

- treacherousfiend

[tough locust]

i want contracts so bad I was always broke in 2015 when they made gun mettle and invasion and tough break, never actually bought the contracts until jungle inferno and immediately realized what I was missing. i would provide certain services to Eric Smith for contracts

[summer steeple]

this image is so funny to me

its hidden in game but you can see where they stopped painting over the class models they used for posing

[tough locust]

the fucked up heavy and scout paint over to make them extra german

[small siren]

*the fucked up heavy

and scout paint over to make

them extra german*

- pilso

[turbid hill]

And the weird girl that barely exists

I think I remember seeing her in another render?

[summer steeple]

I think its only this one?

idk

i don't think this render is used in game anymore

[turbid hill]

It's plausible I'm just rendering a new render in my head and thinking it's real

[tough locust]

pretty sure that was the main MvM menu image right when two cities dropped in late 2013 but my memory is probably old and ancient and failing me

[turbid hill]

Memories do get foggy after a while, game's old

[summer steeple]

yeah its a 2 cities render

[next nymph]

i dont remember her in anything else

[tough locust]

yeah lol like looking at the original version of rd_asteroid is a trip, you forget how many weird fucked up versions that there were before it starting looking relatively normal. same with mannpower's weird ice climbing grappling hooks

[turbid hill]

Also the leaked map vid mentionned how Valve pressed the maps to be ready for the end of this week, I wonder if they're trying to ride the hype rn to evaluate if TF2 could warrant a bit more support with bots fixed-? Raw speculation on my end though they're probably just riding the wave

[turbid hill]

That map never got finished did it?

[summer steeple]

nope

iirc it and cactus canyon are in beta forever because the mapper left valve

[turbid hill]

Oh my god cactus canyon,,

I miss that one

Idk if it was good but I had a lot of fun on it lmao

[summer steeple]

idk if it was planned for asteroid but in the code there's references to lower gravity and jetpacks with different speeds for each class

[turbid hill]

I don't think it ever would've really caught on but it's an interesting map still

[tough locust]

ohhh wait that makes a lot of sense, come to think of it how many official maps has valve released since those got canned???? Powerhouse dropped in 2015 but that map was basdically done since 2007.

Mercenary park?

[next nymph]

woulda been great for trade maps

[turbid hill]

That's the last official one we got in a LONG while

I think cactus canyon was the only official valve map in tough break-?

[tough locust]

nah tought break didn't have any official maps, i think it added landfall and something else

. just checked, the only completely new maps that valve has made since cactuscanyon and asteroid got canned was ctf_hellfire for mannpower, powerhouse, and mercenary park

[turbid hill]

I see

The community sure carried TF2's maps for a long while ahah

[summer steeple]

the community has essentially carried tf2s maps since around launch lol

turbine is a community map

harvest is community

[tough locust]

mercenary park is honestly the biggest evidence that valve barely even knew how to make tf2 maps by the time that they made one again

[summer steeple]

mercenary park is just a weird map in general

since its literally just a version of gorge they started working on years ago

and it became its own not quite gorge like map

[tough locust]

holy shit ultimate lore dump

[turbid hill]

The art on the map is nice

[summer steeple]

like in the map file you can still find old versions of gorge last

and we know it was from gorge because they showed it off in a blog post about how gorge evolved over time

[tough locust]

:O no way

[summer steeple]

at one point merc park was a hybrid CP and PL map (yes, valve experimented with that) called Lair

in fact the soundscapes in merc park are still called "Lair"

and the TF2 vr experience is also called Lair i think?

[left sand]

yes

[turbid hill]

Interersting!

That's a very "experimental" route for the map to have taken

[summer steeple]

merc park imo is one of the weirdest and most fascinating maps in the game

its got so many just like

weird things

I have spend hours looking at merc park

and just finding new things

like its clear the map was a bit rushed

[tough locust]

legitimately fuckin heartbreaking scrolling back thru the blog posts to find this. I miss checking up on the blog all the time

[turbid hill]

I think aesthetically speaking it passes really well

[summer steeple]

but even from a gameplay perspective it has so many weird ideas

the health and ammo kits from previous points get REMOVED after you cap

[turbid hill]

I kinda wish the last point wasn't so chokepoint-y but the spawn is really fun to play on

[summer steeple]

there are nobuilds in gameplay areas for specific teams

[tough locust]

yeah, steamvr is source 2 right?

[summer steeple]

yeah

you know blue's spawn for the third point? red can't build there after B is capped

[small siren]

you know blue's spawn for

the third point? *red can't build there

after B is capped*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

and blue can't build in front of red's spawn at last

its so weird

[turbid hill]

Is that the only map that does specific team restrictions like these?

[small siren]

*Is that the only

map that does specific team

restrictions like these?*

- Paula

[summer steeple]

yeah

[turbid hill]

I cannot think of another exemple

[summer steeple]

another weird thing

you know the little like flank by B

[tough locust]

yes

[summer steeple]

where there's a spawn door

when you cap B, that spawn is active for like 20 seconds, and iirc it instantly respawns blue there

and then after those 20 seconds are up it changes to the further up spawn

which is honestly really interesting

because it allows them to put the spawn closer to C without having blue spawn behind red as they're backing up

[turbid hill]

Interesting

[summer steeple]

another weird thing about merc park is that a ton of the grates are func_ladder for some reason?

which is a completely useless entity in tf2

it doesn't function

oh and there's so many unused rooms

like i said i literally can talk about merc park for hours

there is so much

even just in the final map, not looking at any leaked beta stuff

[turbid hill]

I find it interesting

[tough locust]

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=8124 u mean this post?

[summer steeple]

gonna make a video talking about merc park for 12 hours

[wild grove]

there was no leaks other than the fact that there will be maps in the summer update cuz map emails.

[turbid hill]

Do it!

[spring kestrel]

That's kinda a good idea

[summer steeple]

yes! this image in specific

oh it was 3 images separate

i thought it was 1

this

we have these points

at the very least one of the first ones

with the pillar

[spring kestrel]

I would love that

[tough locust]

honestly i can see the bones of mercenary park last in the 3rd pic

which is some weird in between gorge

[summer steeple]

well the last one is pretty similar to what gorge last is normally

but yeah if you like

flip gorge last

its surprisingly similar

[tough locust]

yeah attacking coming from right side instead of left and its pretty much mercenary park

[summer steeple]

here's the version from cppl_lair

its not the same, and even at this point is labelled "old b"

in fact by this point last already looked pretty close to what it does now

[tough locust]

deepest lore

how have i not seen a map file of this yet on a server or something, guess its time to download some vmfs

[summer steeple]

actually just in general the group labelled "Final" is like

90% of the way to merc park

but with alpine assets

like you look at this and at first glance it does look like merc park

[tough locust]

the again they did the teaser of the jungle theme in like march(?) of 2016 iirc, i wonder how long they were sitting on this map

[summer steeple]

a very long time

the asset leak we have is from 2014

and actually we can trace the last time these files were edited based on the editor version in the vmf

[turbid hill]

I remember those

With the big ol' sign with the jungle setting

[summer steeple]

i tracked down some old messages, the last time lair was edited before the leak was no later than march 2010

which is only 4 months after gorge released

[tough locust]

wow

[left sand]

https://youtu.be/0p2ZvA3w6NE

[summer steeple]

although, as coms mentioned, gorge is a very old map

[tough locust]

still don't know why they didnt finish up pinecrest just bc it basically felt complete, played it on a community server and it was pretty fun

[summer steeple]

apparently 5gorge was playable during the beta of tf2?

[summer steeple]

we probably will never know

maybe they didn't like it

[tough locust]

running through it right now and its so weird like its just a boneless version no detailing and the layout is off

cool

[turbid hill]

This looks like one of these dreams where they take place in similar settings to actual ones but very different too

[crisp cedar]

the most interesting thing to me about the repo leak then were the maps

the mvm maps were pretty fascinating to me

[tough locust]

tru there's so much mvm stuff and a ton of leaked raid mode maps that are nearly done but you can't do much in because none of the gamemode logic exists

wandering around them rlly makes me wonder what it would even be like

[summer steeple]

sort of like l4d

i'm not even sure they had upgrades yet

i think it was essentially l4d in tf2

but with a big bad boss fight at the end

[tough locust]

but i mean left 4 dead is just walk from point a to point b and hit the safe room while fighrting zombies, the raid mode seemedl ike you had to fight in arenas and stuff, weird things like stun drones and stuff

[summer steeple]

stun drones were part of the boss iirc

[kind falcon]

jorjeous

[summer steeple]

there were objectives

but its really kind of hard to tell by looking at any leak simply because of how much either never got made, got deleted, or got replaced by mvm functionality

at one point they made an entity that was just a huntsman sniper

[small siren]

*at one point they made

an entity that was just

a huntsman sniper*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

like an unused entity that is a sniper with the huntsman, instead of a player bot with the huntsman equipped

[kind falcon]

yes i love that one

[summer steeple]

i can only assume that they scrapped it because it was much easier and more flexible to have a generic system that spawned player bots with specific items and behavior

[proper tangle]

this game already has too many damn maps

[left sand]

i wish they were packed

[spare obsidian]

it would be if bsp packed files weren't so ass in source

[radiant merlin]

bsp's that aren't ass are called "vpk"

[summer steeple]

i wish they were repacked

or just vpk

[spare obsidian]

i don't know why valve don't backport source 2 ability to load maps has a vpks

[summer steeple]

i mean bsp basically is a vpk

[left sand]

i dont know why valve doesnt just make team fortress 2 source 2

[summer steeple]

well

i guess not really

[left sand]

bspfile.h

horrors

[spare obsidian]

wdym

[summer steeple]

yeesh

[spare obsidian]

bspfile.h is totally fine

[kind falcon]

tfs2_win64.exe

🤫

[spare obsidian]

you're just coping

[spare obsidian]

hello valve ninja

[summer steeple]

bsp be like

[left sand]

how not to make a file format

[summer steeple]

arbitrary limits

[spare obsidian]

90% of limits on the bsp format according to ficool are arbitrary or plain dumb

most of them are in stock vbsp

[tough locust]

then again i dont think tf2 source has a way to unmount vpks without restarting the game as far as i know

[summer steeple]

yeah its bad

and a lot of them can't actually be changed without updating how the game loads bsps

or would require recompiling every map

[kind falcon]

imagine if they gave in and just recompiled every map on clients side

🙂

[summer steeple]

shader cache ass solution

[spare obsidian]

obscure source tip (or well tip if you didn't know): you can rebuild the ligthing of a bsp file by drag and drop the file into vrad, the limitation is the bsp has to be made on the exact same branch

[rare creek]

arent maps literally vpk files in goldsource or source 2

[summer steeple]

source 2

because its just better

[kind falcon]

just soruce 2

[spare obsidian]

but didn't vpk has no compression at all?

[summer steeple]

after source valve realized having 100000 file formats sucks so they made generic ones

[spare obsidian]

at least vpk v1

[rare creek]

this is on purpose

[summer steeple]

which is why so much of s2 formats is based on DMX

[spare obsidian]

i mean technically csgo introduced compression on vpks

[left sand]

😊

[spare obsidian]

but it was so rarely used

iirc lzma compressed vpks

like, nothing in csgo guaranted the usage of a compressed vpk at all

but they added it

[summer steeple]

bsp is just such a shit format tbh

it has so much data in it that is only helpful for decompiling

which, granted, is nice for us

but for the map itself

its a waste of space

[spare obsidian]

i think the vbsp (valve's fork of idsoftware quake 1/quake 2 bsp) is the worst in how its structure

early versions of source the file format was decent

[summer steeple]

probably

[summer steeple]

i was really hoping that this was what I thought it would be when i saw the length

so glad i was right

[left sand]

https://youtu.be/A7kpAO9b7QY

[kind falcon]

about 5 years

he dosent know..;

[spare obsidian]

you know ficool knows some obscure shit about vbsp, you can technically insert a fbx file during the processing of the map in vbsp and it would thread that fbx file has static world brushes somehow lol

[summer steeple]

vbsp sucks too

imagine triangulating by just connecting the vert to the next one

[summer steeple]

wtf its the radio edit cringe

[kind falcon]

youtube

[spare obsidian]

you know all of these issues can be fixed but at cost of breaking 99.99% maps of the game

[kind falcon]

sorry i dont have a personal library

[spare obsidian]

[summer steeple]

tbh i'm not so sure some of these changes would break maps

some would definitely

but like

triangulation probably would be fine

I got some pretty good results when i modded VBSP to do that

well i say pretty good

i forget what the best i got was

but i'm about 99% sure the issue was me and not the game

as it turns out trying to shove in a library to code you don't understand super well that handles triangles differently is not the greatest idea

[spare obsidian]

to make the bsp not suck rn in the tf2 branch mainly is killing support for older bsp lumps than sdk2013 (2007,2006,2004 (lol), sfm somehow it has support)

[summer steeple]

yeah

or like

doing some backwards compat thing

which tbh i'm not sure how hard it would be

[spare obsidian]

you can do it, but no the way valve didm which is ugly has fuck

[summer steeple]

but ficool i think doesn't think its feasible

[spare obsidian]

i mean it is, but its really worth it?

who would play a 2006 map in tf2?

or a 2007 map that probably doesn't work anyway

[summer steeple]

hydro

[spare obsidian]

i mean hydro tecnically got updated for mym

and that's about it

[summer steeple]

did it

oh i bet they added the comp postgame thing

right they added that to like every map

[spare obsidian]

i mean i know they updated all maps to add a box outside of the playable area where the winners of competitive mode appear

yeah that one

[summer steeple]

if they were using source 2 they wouldn't need to add it to every map

[spare obsidian]

prefabs in s2 are way powerfull ngl

you can do crazy shit with them

also, technically tf2 branch can ran l4d1 maps its just the implementation is like 10% completed lol

and probably is dead code anyway

for me personally it doesn't makes sense for the tf2 branch to support maps older than sdk2013 because, well if they're not broken by the pass of time and versions

[left sand]

passtime breaks maps???? 😱

[spare obsidian]

are you okay?

[limpid panther]

woah

[kind falcon]

ure the one whose pfp looks cooked

[spare obsidian]

says the one with a discord avatar frame

[kind falcon]

u better fear... i has Game rce youll computer will explode...

[rare creek]

game

[summer steeple]

video games

[spare obsidian]

there's no games go home

[summer steeple]

then what the hell is tf2

[spare obsidian]

idk man y'all are talking about a game that doesn't exist

[small siren]

*idk man y'all

are talking about a game

that doesn't exist*

- Brodspy

[formal dew]

if tf2 gets this things will be saved

[spare obsidian]

nuh uh

[kind falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/921897702130847805/1258155244878172260/IMG_0629.webp?ex=668703e1&is=6685b261&hm=ea2a7f56ec78029807bf958be19baedd28fd23a15fd5dcdbdfebdc24c52414d3&=&format=webp

this guy had the urge to tell me that theres a game that valve is actively developing

[summer steeple]

yeah, counter strike 2

[spare obsidian]

counter sleep 2

Bruh

[rare creek]

https://youtu.be/8xO9s74suRA?t=927

is this really the guy we chose to run fixtf2 😭 😭

[kind falcon]

no

i dont think he run fixtf2

[wild grove]

I couldn't tell who was the leader, it was a chaotic mess

[jagged pawn]

the vid is timestamped

it's about thewhat rocket jumping into a ceiling 20 times in a row because he's lobotomized

[rare creek]

why do u have me blocked if u just gonn read my messages anyway

[jagged pawn]

fortnite

[rare creek]

i dont play fortnite

[rare creek]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-tweak-tweaking-what-gif-1547006946285359423

[kind falcon]

gtfo

[mystic turtle]

I think Soldier got drunk and left his melees lying around

or at least he left a rusted escape plan with gardening equipment

[high current]

Soldier McLeod melee leaked?

[left sand]

why are you looking this stuff up

[rare creek]

it's on the home page for tf2 gamebanana

[potent wolf]

well, that's your first problem

[high current]

I feel like I need to do a virus scan everytime I look at gamebanana. It's such a relic of its time lol

[unborn pecan]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/206261

they just updated it

1 day ago

[kind falcon]

killing myself

[mystic turtle]

bruh just don't bother with those types of mods

[mystic turtle]

here, have an escape plan. get outta there.

[eternal haven]

people have uploaded literal cheat dlls to gamebanana

I remember there was an sv_pure disabler on there that was literally just a cheat

[rare creek]

based?

[eternal haven]

It was cringe

[kind falcon]

no it was very based

it got u vac bananed

🔥

[wild grove]

lol I remember that, it was very malicious, near instant VAC ban because it was detectable.

[rare creek]

if tf2 was good it would include an sv_pure disabler dll by default

[kind falcon]

undetectable

link to an undetectable vac, pure disabler: https://google.com

[potent wolf]

reported

[high current]

Idk who Ashley graves is. Should I?

[potent wolf]

no

[high current]

A funny mod for the disguise kit would be to put one of the pictures from meet the spy in there.
Not an r-rated one, to be clear

[wild grove]

nah, it's from a "i'm 14 and this is dark" type game.

like it's dark for shock value and nothing else.

[high current]

Ah. Boy I’m glad I’m not 14 anymore.

It’s like when your brain is developed enough to think it has deep opinions, but not developed enough to know you’re just an idiot.

Maybe I’m just an idiot still though 🤷‍♂️

[potent wolf]

aren't we all

[kind falcon]

its from an incest game bro thats not that deep...

[wild grove]

How is what I said any deeper than what you just said?

[high current]

Well I’m glad I didn’t know who that was lmao

[mystic turtle]

anyways, the fact there's a high chance to see fempyro on the tf2 gamebanana front page says something about it
just ignore it, and get actually good mods like beta muzzleflashes or texture improvement packs

[uncut spear]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/194376

here's an actually good fem mod :3

(it doesn't sexualize them in the thumbnail)

[rare creek]

sorry not casual compatible 0/10

[kind falcon]

yup me when i see women

[rare creek]

sorry not sexy mega tits 0/10

[uncut spear]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-my-reaction-my-honest-reaction-meme-my-reaction-to-that-information-reaction-gif-15600378618264653600

[rare creek]

where are the giga tiddies

[mystic turtle]

get off ya lazy tush and fix it, then (this will totally not take 500 hours of effort)

(this is partly a joke)

[wild grove]

not a joke, making those festivizer color changers casual compatible, involved having to be a bugfixer for someone elses modpack LOL

took like several days

[uncut spear]

in "simple" terms, what does it mean/take to make something casual compatible?

[jagged pawn]

it has to be preloaded before entering a casual server, in a way that casual won't simply reload the correct (vanilla) version

I don't know the specifics of how it works backend but that's the premise

[left sand]

it has to be bypassed with a CL_CheckForPureServerWhitelist hook

@summer steeple ask fiend for one

or @kind falcon for friendhook

competitor to fiendhook

[potent wolf]

not very friendly...

[kind falcon]

no im peak friend

[uncut spear]

either that or the mod just doesn't work lol

gotcha

[potent wolf]

peak fiend

[kind falcon]

☹️

[potent wolf]

👍

[summer steeple]

this is lies and slander

[potent wolf]

its facts is what it is

#friend2 when

[unborn pecan]

@crisp cedar https://youtu.be/A7kpAO9b7QY

New Star Video

This is like

Up your alley

cause of jerma

[crisp cedar]

dude

hes just like that guy

that jerma plays tf2 with

[unborn pecan]

yeah ik

[unborn pecan]

me getting freaky with the lobster

[left sand]

remember when the server owner actually put effort into silly events

[rare creek]

this guiy is like joe biden

tyrying to find the front door

[livid oracle]

https://crus.cc

[limpid panther]

nature is healing

[high current]

I don’t think I wanna click that link

[burnt dragon]

this is blocked by my university lmaooooo

[slender nexus]

https://youtu.be/dUqILcF9eF4

[summer steeple]

how tf2 nurtured its community (into large groups of bigots)

[turbid hill]

Most online communities are very "reddit" to me if that makes sense

[potent wolf]

#reddit🗯 🙀

sorry, i had to, please continue

[turbid hill]

Not using that channel ever

[potent wolf]

nobody does

[turbid hill]

I am not gonna be the first to write there

I am not a redditor!!!

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-monkey-gif-21553825

But yes me thinks smaller groups are nicer to interact with than larger ones

It's a very specific exemple but smartphone brands for some reason have extremely dedicated communities (fanboys) and they will be the most annoying pricks if you dare say something negative about their favorite corporation

[formal dew]

Reddit

[hidden gyro]

How is shotgun so good

You pull it out and they still push you and then they get deleted

Like what

[turbid hill]

shotgun is surprisingly powerful for a secondary

Like you can actually just shred people with it given you're in the appropriate range

[unborn pecan]

Harassing its youtubers

[unborn pecan]

because it's awesomesauce

[slender nexus]

watch the vid plz

[summer steeple]

do i have to :(

i hate tf2 youtube so much

[drowsy marlin]

90 damage is good

[slender nexus]

yes

Loveweb is good

i also like ponies now

https://tenor.com/view/get-on-pony-town-get-on-pony-town-gif-25997761

[unborn pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-cat-mewing-mewing-meme-cat-staring-cat-gif-6979404450990708267

don't do it vro

[slender nexus]

😭

[rare creek]

ELMAXO UPLOADED 5 HOUR VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://youtu.be/mK8-TQUE94Q

[grim parcel]

that’s 3 minutes for every day

[hidden gyro]

Your late

[rare creek]

why is the jarate such a buggy piece of shit

[hidden gyro]

It's not jarate

[rare creek]

i literally just threw it and it went straight through the floor

[hidden gyro]

It's map geometry

[rare creek]

and half the time it just straight up doesnt do anything

is valve stupid?

[hidden gyro]

||Yes||

[rare creek]

there has been so many times where i died because i threw jarate at myself or someone else and it just didnt work

even onto a flat surface

how they fuk this up

[high current]

Stop peeing on yourself. Ez

[orchid sorrel]

I remember playing with this person once with chet

He said feel free to join the vc and they instantly left

[slender nexus]

😭

[kind falcon]

how tf2 community became a bunch of woke individuals … (True Story)

[rare creek]

do NOT run cl_fullupdate during demo playback worst mistake of my life

[left sand]

https://youtu.be/OfMCqgJLmuo

they made this

so youre gonna have to convince me why i should watch anything by them

[unborn pecan]

😭 not this video

[slender nexus]

😭

[proper tangle]

oh wow someone actually went through the trouble of animating this

[unborn pecan]

what if glados was a latina

[crisp cedar]

its not that bad

it couldve been worse

but

im inclined not to trust bronies

[slender nexus]

gays,,,,

[unborn pecan]

@slender nexus

[slender nexus]

also shadok is deer furry

[slender nexus]

😭 @broken haven

[broken haven]

why...

[crisp cedar]

verano is one of the good ones

count him out

[rare creek]

@cursive peak

[slender nexus]

[crisp cedar]

okay let me be clear

i do not like talking poorly about the citizens here

[rare creek]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-be-clear-uhhh-meme-gif-25693361

[crisp cedar]

and i wont do that

simple as.

[slender nexus]

😭

[rare creek]

you're not going to bully me??? 😭

[crisp cedar]

trees can be ferocious... when provoked

[rare creek]

I am NOT a tree

[cursive peak]

I know I'm human filth.

[rare creek]

why do you have me blockedthen

i am fellow human filth

not a brony but I am a troll 🗣️

[slender nexus]

who wants to watch rainbow rocks with me sometime

[cursive peak]

I don't think I've seen that since seeing it in the theater.

[orchid sorrel]

Whats that

[wild grove]

wtf? that played in theaters lol?!

[cursive peak]

The first 2 EQG movies had theatrical releases.

3rd even got one in select UK theaters.

[rare creek]

https://youtu.be/mK8-TQUE94Q?t=5813 oh cool he talks about it in his video

[cursive peak]

Caught the 2017 MLP movie twice in the theater.

[rare creek]

you need to be put down

lethal injection

[eternal haven]

😦

[hoary geyser]

@next nymph thoughts?

[next nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-cat-kitty-tears-gif-24106422

[hidden gyro]

What the fuck is a kilometer

I only know hammer units

[drowsy marlin]

Hammer units are an abomination

[summer steeple]

hammer units are just like 1:1 with inches

[drowsy marlin]

Still an abomination

[high current]

https://tenor.com/view/kilometers-can't-measure-freedom-freedom-usa-america-murica-gif-8776986503198367525

[rare creek]

y do people play casual are they actually brainrotted

[kind falcon]

number go up

[rare creek]

look how they massacred my boy

[kind falcon]

can you stop referring to teamwork data.

[rare creek]

ok provide a better alternative then

its community servers counter is still probably accurate

and there are half as many people playing community servers after valve banned all the bots (arhchive . org screeshot)

joever

[eternal haven]

Idk if a holiday is necessarily the best time to look at player counts

There might be fewer people playing community servers since the quality of casual has been improved, but there are also fewer people using the internet and playing games today it seems

In the US

[limpid panther]

depends on your reference

stuff like doorsills look weirdly small if properly sized, so that kind of stuff is oversized on purpose in valve games

idk why I'm telling you this. You obviously already know

[fleet kite]

is it supposed to be the same as inches or was that a joke

because damn of all units

[next nymph]

1 hammer unit = 1 kilometer

[fleet kite]

oh my god why

[limpid panther]

because it looks better that way

there is a funny pic of alyx in a doorsill showing the differences in scale

i think it is in the valve developer wiki

[turbid hill]

This video is actually good what

[turbid hill]

Thanks for sharing it I actually really like their little dynamic together

[turbid hill]

I haven't played heavy in ages and I remembered how fun it was

I've always been playing against him but playing as him is really fun, even if he's slow

I should try sniper and engineer more often too

[limpid panther]

you should take a look at the latest video from Uncle Dane

it has some cool heavy ideas

[turbid hill]

Did he talk about the mythical heavy update

[limpid panther]

no, just a good video about heavy

ideas as in: things to try out in game right now

[turbid hill]

I see, I'll check it out later

[tacit flare]

People enjoy playing in moderated game servers where they can enjoy the game without being harrassed and screamed at in racial slurs.

Imagine my shock.

[high current]

It’s also just the gamemode that is integrated into the default hud. And every hud that wasn’t updated like a week ago. Which most people only update their hud when it breaks or they build a new pc🤷‍♂️

[limpid panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtLZBKNExLQ

lol

[rare creek]

why do they have more points than me?

[turbid hill]

I'm guessing objective points?

You get points from pushing the payload

I think

[summer steeple]

they’re just better

built different

[limpid panther]

when my team is steamrolling the enemy I just sit at the cart uninterruptedly for the entire round racking in points and end up top scoring sometimes

kinda funny to see people complaining

[turbid hill]

Do people care that much about points

I do check it as a reference to see how I'm doing but I don't really care for my placement

[turbid hill]

Good shot

I should try playing sniper a bit more but I feel bad instantly deleting players

[left sand]

https://youtu.be/IN3RXWk_jYc

[rare creek]

i cant believe valve actually fixed tf2

im still going to play on community servers because they are literally just better but im not going to outright refuse when my friends ask me to play casual

[orchid sorrel]

ok

[turbid hill]

Uncletopia's skill level is higher so it's more fun for me

[small siren]

*Uncletopia's

skill level is higher so

it's more fun for me*

- Paula

[turbid hill]

Stomping on new players isn't really super fun

Does this bot do anything else than repeating stuff

[summer steeple]

if you say you like it or you hate it, it'll react to your message