Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[crisp cedar]

it replacing csgo sucks but it was necessary to get everyone to play it and give feedback and again

[high current]

But yeh CS has always had a weirdly complainy community for the number of still respectable updates they receive. And like it’s a game that kinda thrives in stability, smallll weapon changes make massive differences. Really the major content they got was operations and they went several years without one pretty happily.

[crisp cedar]

people wouldnt be able to bitch as much if they just said its not like done done but done enough for competitive

[high current]

Yeh something tells me there was a ship date internally and they had to release it. There’s no way the devs saw that and went “this is ready”

[wild grove]

Genuine question was any of ghe missing content in CSGO any good tho?

[crisp cedar]

yeah

thats why

they dont do deadlines

it came in september btw

big lesson for them

[summer steeple]

that’s summer!

[crisp cedar]

i guess they felt more comfortable with doing a deadline and then they remembered why they dont do them

[high current]

I wasn’t active enough in CSGO at the time to really tell you. Plus even when I did sink time into that game it was basically just dust2, mirage, inferno competitive.

[left sand]

i dont think the deadline was very important to them

i think it was that they werent getting any more useful feedback with the beta

[high current]

Eh September is still summer in like 80% of the US now.

[crisp cedar]

i do agree that its like

good to force everyone onto cs2

good way for immediate feedback

its just that again cs2 doesnt really seem finished

finished as in like

a 1.0 release finished

because it seems they had way more planned

but couldnt fit in

iirc smokes werent even fully done on release

[wild grove]

Kinda crazy tho that VALVe stopped doing the whatever you want thing during the dev of hla tho.

[high current]

You couldn’t jump up the crate into mirage palace consistently on release.

Like how the hell do you make a jump up a basic box inconsistent

[crisp cedar]

ah shit

i dont remember what they did to msokes

[high current]

I think they informally quit doing that a while ago

[crisp cedar]

the cs2 website doesnt like

archive patch notes lol

[wild grove]

Didn't they make it more tech advanced?

[high current]

Time to watch 3kilikphilip

[crisp cedar]

kinda

[wild grove]

Like it's no longer a radius

It's something related to volume

[high current]

Yeh it’s a volumetric thing kinda.

[crisp cedar]

nono

[high current]

They wanted to differentiate themselves from valorant by over complicating smoke grenades rather than making them simple and consistent.

[crisp cedar]

okay i guess i was wrong

i cant find anything lol

i can only find smokes cast shadows now but i swear there was a more meaningful change

oh well

[high current]

Probably that they fixed it not being able to put out molotovs kinda

On release the Molotov extinguishing function just flat out didn’t work in a lot of scenerios. CSGO struggled with that occasionally too though

[rare creek]

how the fuck is this a headshot i literally hit them in the arm

niterux hacker comfirmed???

[left sand]

@rare creek you flinched from the scout shot

[rare creek]

maybe but like the blodo decal still appears on their arm

[mystic turtle]

that's a weird bug IIRC
I've played tf2 at low host_timescales for fun, sometimes headshots leave blood decals in the wrong place and look like the bullet hit relatively behind the target, and sometimes a "headshot" will leave a blood decal on the head but do regular or even no damage

don't trust model decals, in my experience they can be janky

[rare creek]

i mean it's also clearly where i actually hit if you go frame by frame

it's not the model decal being funky.. at least i think.. because on the frame i shot i was actually looking at the arm

maybe coms was right about cs2 being better...

[high current]

But tf2 has a higher tick rate than cs2

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/black-mesa-glitch-black-mesa-half-life-gif-4499816852452413221

[uncut spear]

what are those bullet flares?

those look sick

[rare creek]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/451166

[uncut spear]

danke

[rare creek]

here's the skial signed version

[uncut spear]

I'll keep that in mind (I won't)

[velvet raft]

you will

[uncut spear]

nah i don't like skial sorry :3

[velvet raft]

you will like skial

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hypnotizing-hypnotizing-dog-hyptonizing-you-hypnotizing-you-собака-гипнотизирует-gif-14437882061713379771

[uncut spear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807809192537882647/1146430411304620153/ezgif-4-819403f37a3a.gif

[rare creek]

what the hell no that's illgegal

WHAT

joever

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27567306

[velvet raft]

Hey, er...what's cooking, Zsa-Zsa?

[cursive peak]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-city-life-rake-gif-9095678

[orchid sorrel]

i deleted my saxxy because valve have not made source 3

[jagged pawn]

SOURCE 3

LMAOOOOOO

[crisp cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[orchid sorrel]

its a replay saxxy winner to

lol

[spare obsidian]

BRUH

[rare creek]

i mean to be fair source 2 is pretty far behind most other modern game engines

because it started development forever ago

with the exception of a few things like the voxel smoke grenades and subtick or whatever

it doesnt have shiny new toys like procedural faces and nanite

i dont think valve should make another engine though they should just switch to unreal tbh

[orchid sorrel]

i will delete my saxxy so they make half life 3

[rare creek]

it's still insane to delete a saxxy

[next nymph]

all the big professional engines today started many years ago, often older than source

[limpid panther]

compared to commercial engines, yea. Compared to other in-house engines... idk

compared to the ones that are still hanging on and not surrendering to unreal, or something else, that is

[velvet raft]

you have the dumbest takes

[jagged pawn]

LMAO

[rare creek]

is there literally a single reason for valve to not use unreal?

think about how much it would cut development costs and development time and the games would look way better

and have raytracing

[jagged pawn]

money + full creative control

[radiant merlin]

xd

[rare creek]

money how

spends years creating their own engine

only licenses it out to s&box

[jagged pawn]

https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/license

[rare creek]

this is still probably cheaper than developing your own engine no?

[radiant merlin]

xd

[left sand]

its pretty much impossible to fork unreal engine in a way thats sustainable for a large game studio

because epic has full control over the codebase, they can rewrite it at any time and your changes have conflicts

it adds a huge amount of cost to modify the engine while still keeping up with epic's improvements

the other thing is the codebase takes a long time to master

[rare creek]

why modify the engine?

[left sand]

source engine is used all over valve, including in steam

so they can tailor the experience to their own needs

for example they would want to integrate hammer mapping tools, vvis, their nav mesh tools, their PBR shader, their normal mapping technique, update the material editor to be like the src2 mat editor, add modeldoc support to animgraph, add their VR support, add extensive steam support, port all their game/entity logic, etc

also another thing to note for people unaware, epic does have a slightly better deal than 5% revenue

[rare creek]

why would they want to do that?

[left sand]

its $50k + 5% profit (and other deals exist too)

[wild grove]

They aint making another saxxy awards lol, also at least the ones who destroy golden wrenches do it for charity and not cause mah valve won't port tf2 to source 64.

[left sand]

instead of 5% revenue

[left sand]

do what

[rare creek]

integrate hammer mapping tools instead of just using industry standards n stuff

arent the tools already built into unreal probably better

[left sand]

nope

the modelling tools in unreal arent designed for a workflow valve does to design their maps

theyre designed for manipulating huge meshes, with lots of 3d art

rather than more of an architecture software which is what hammer is like

[rare creek]

so unreal's enviroments are more detailed?

or do you mean like literally big like mountains?

[left sand]

both

its better suited for like open world settings

with lots of detail and large environments with scale

rather than like

lots of well crafted, gameplay designed architecural buildings

[rare creek]

valve should make unreal engine cs2 battle royal

[rare creek]

is this because of fortnite

[uncut spear]

no bhopping

https://tenor.com/view/alre-vtuber-cute-rinrinne39-anime-vtuber-kys-gif-16970019474875428016

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-lol-cute-cat-typping-gif-7227425

:3

[spare obsidian]

agreed

[unborn pecan]

Isn't hammer like this because of being brush-based for such a long time?

[velvet raft]

lmao

that reminds me of this video

https://youtu.be/RHk_aKfPZGE

6:17

[unborn pecan]

I will wach this

[rare creek]

why does brew still have missing textures is valve really that lazy at playtesting the maps they add to the game

[wild grove]

apparently that's a issue that was fixed but still occurs rarely.

[small siren]

*apparently that's

a issue that was fixed but

still occurs rarely.*

- woshee

[wild grove]

I haven't seen it myself.

[tough locust]

only one i can think of is that unreal has abysmal dogshit antialiasing

forgive me if I'm literally being a moron but I'm 99 percent sure that one of the VR mini games in The Lab uses Unity instead of Source 2

[rose karma]

Will I get vac banned for using prec now?

[eternal haven]

No

[potent wolf]

no, but it wont load on the 64-bit client

[tough locust]

it's funny bc all of the saxxys that I've seen get deleted are the ones from the 2011 replay update, don't think anyone that actually animated for an SFM deleted theirs afaik

[rose karma]

nvm i had sourcemod installed for some reason

nvm not loading anyways

[eternal haven]

sourcemod will probably get you vac banned if you manage to load it and connect to a vac server

you should be prevented from doing that though

[quasi rain]

The templar set is so good

[hidden gyro]

https://youtu.be/6hC4ccOEK08?si=oUVmdPWIy_9SGpZj

cap?

Played last night. Only bots I saw were follow bots with a single cheater who kept dying to sticky bombs

[mystic turtle]

as Vorobey has demonstrated tonsa times, cheaters have little to no gamesense lol

[kind falcon]

please do not insult me.

[hidden gyro]

how can they get game sense when their game plays itself?

[mystic turtle]

lol true

[high current]

Apparently rosne bots got banned. But they already know the cause. Toad bots and some others were unaffected.

So it’s a momentary lul but I’d wager we have bots back to same level as before by the weekend.

They’re hardware id bans too supposedly

[left sand]

the cause?

[high current]

Idk whatever made them easily detectable or something along those lines. I don’t have in depth knowledge, just apparently I’m in a server with someone who is friends with rosne, so just parroting second hand information

Apparently there’s some crossover between some of the more technical hud devs and cheaters.
Can’t say I’m surprised but I am disappointed😢

[kind falcon]

its exactly 1 guy

brag

[high current]

I mean there’s like maybe 10 “technical hud developers”. So that’s a pretty substantial amount. There’s also probably more than 1

[left sand]

is there any specific or exact information you'd be able to send me?

[high current]

Not much useful. Literally just like one message.

[rose karma]

https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2512527342872814851/B1131E6941D0A2760F3921DE40BA1F57B22288B4/

new steam recording and clips feature

https://store.steampowered.com/sale/gamerecording

[proper tangle]

yeah we saw, pretty neat

bit incomplete for my taste, but still, good

[tough locust]

guessing it's geared towards the steam deck

[limpid panther]

I still havent been able to check it out

whats missing in your opinion?

[proper tangle]

Caching the video to ram instead of the ssd

its a big one

That, reducing the clip size in seconds instead of just minute incremets, and maybe a way to trigget the shortcuts using the gamepad

outside of manually going into a game's controller profile and customizing one to trigger the keyboard shortcut

[limpid panther]

you mean that it doesnt? it caches to ssd?

[summer steeple]

yeah it goes straight to disk

[limpid panther]

thats so sad! makes it almost unusable for me

[kind falcon]

still community banned

[uncut spear]

was that sent to you or someone else?

cause if it was you, wtf

[left sand]

to lmaobox admins

[uncut spear]

LOL

[proper tangle]

It's one of the top requests for future features and updates, so hopefully they do it soon

when they do its bye bye relive from me

[proper tangle]

nice

[spring kestrel]

have there been any other significant bans to annoying figures?

[proper tangle]

believe it or not, straight to disk

[left sand]

why wouldnt it

[proper tangle]

Oh I tried a "straight to jail" reference but I guess it doesnt work quite as well in this case

[left sand]

whats the endurance on your storage device?

https://fxtwitter.com/mastercoms/status/1806444131276714459

[eternal haven]

I think shadowplay only lets you save the buffer to disk

at least it used to, maybe they've changed it

[cursive peak]

Still buffers to disk.

[eternal haven]

there is always the option of creating a 'ram disk' and using that for programs like this

little bit more overhead than if the program supported storing the video buffer in ram directly, but it shouldn't be anything to worry about

[tough locust]

tf2's player count just spiked up again are the bots already back

[wild grove]

it would be funny but prolly people checking to see if there isn't any bots anymore. Besides that, the movement is gonna go under again because the goal was technically reached

[eternal haven]

I wonder what sort of metrics valve used to detect the accounts to ban

and if they automated it or did it manually

[left sand]

what makes you feel there were metrics and it wasnt vac?

the bot hosters are lying btw

[eternal haven]

well from what I heard they were community and game banned

not vac banned

[tough locust]

definitely manual. that's whta the while "item and matchmaking servers will be down for 5 minutes, again" message was on tuesday

[left sand]

game bans can be part of the VAC toolsuite

[eternal haven]

I guess

[left sand]

they're used by some VAC modules

also, most of them were actually deleted from steam

[eternal haven]

my point being if valve used an automated technique, why not just continue to do it

[limpid panther]

no idea. Less than my ram for sure

[left sand]

and some of them were VAC banned

some more were game banned, sure

[limpid panther]

so since I have RAM to spare, I would like to use ram instead

[eternal haven]

if it was manual I understand why valve might not want to keep on banning them

[left sand]

and only the hoster accounts were community banned

do you think VAC as a whole is manual or automatic?

how would you classify those two distinctions?

[eternal haven]

most of it is automatic isn't it?

[eternal haven]

a human having to look over each ban before it's effected

[left sand]

right, but does that sort of automatic entail "can keep doing it and still be effective"

[eternal haven]

that's just part of anticheat

[left sand]

okay, do they not have humans writing each of the detections, approving signatures, etc

yes

so then it goes back to your initial question

[left sand]

here

[eternal haven]

so valve shouldn't bother to maintain their anticheat because it takes some manual work to do so?

[left sand]

no, thats not what i said at all

im saying, just because they detected the bots in some way, whether you classify it as automatic or manual, doesnt mean it will continue to work

its always going to be that game of cat and mouse

valve doing manual work to keep up

theres no end game where they find a detection that always works forever

[eternal haven]

all of that sounds like it says the same thing as my message above it

[small siren]

*all of that sounds like

it says the same thing as my

message above it*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[left sand]

im not saying they shouldnt continue

if i understood you correctly, you were asking "now that they've detected the bots, they can keep the detection on and keep banning people, right?"

im just saying, its not going to be an automatic process like that

[eternal haven]

well at least until the bot runners work around it

[left sand]

theres going to be delays because valve is going to have to do manual work to maintain the anticheat

[mystic turtle]

but like, in the end they'll put it aside (until the community starts acting up again) because they have better things to do?
something like that?

[left sand]

yes, thats how vac works

detections will catch you

but im just saying, once they do change stuff (which they already did)

valve may need to update their detections

so its not this automatic process, its just a series of manually added detections that we will hopefully see them continue with the faster pace

keep in mind that cathook and friends have had detections made for them

a lot of times in the past 6 years

[eternal haven]

a couple months ago I joined as many of the bot hoster discords as I could find and observed their behavior

99% of the people in those discords are bumbling idiots, they are no match for valve at all

and the 1% who are might get tired of bothering, if valve actually does anything

[left sand]

idk

we have already seen them circumvent so many detections

like i said, cathook has been detected a lot

[next nymph]

i kinda just assume that if a cheater says something then they're trying to muddy the waters

[left sand]

yes

to clarify

valve detected accounts using new VAC detection methods, im not going to specify what those detection methods were

but bot hosters are going around lying about the nature of the ban, dont believe them

[eternal haven]

this is what I mean

[mystic turtle]

that checks out tho, a lot are bored script kiddies
the few that can develop probably just collaborate to combine work power

[eternal haven]

anyone with two brain cells would know that they're not doing only hwid detection/bans

or even necessarily doing that at all

[next nymph]

remember when cheaters claimed VAC was spying on your browser history

[eternal haven]

the bot runners are idiots

[wild grove]

So does that mean summer hungry henry update soon?

[tough locust]

id hope its today just bc its like "update drops right as cheaters get sidelined" but chances are its gonna be 2 thursdays from now

[wild grove]

So no matter if the movement happened or not, we would've seen VALVe do something either way? Or did it happen because of the movement?

[eternal haven]

who can say

they probably would've done it regardless

[left sand]

i think what valve did had very little to do with the movement personally

though probably the timing is slightly correlated to the movement

i suppose its on people's minds, kind of like how youd probably buy milk anyway, but if you wrote a list of groceries youd get it on the way for something else

[wild grove]

Yeah, if they were adding maps, I would've heard from mappers that they got their emails but they haven't yet, which is either A. No maps in the summer update or B. They haven't got around to the maps yet.

[left sand]

i think if anything

the movement just delayed the summer update

[cursive peak]

I wonder if the 64 bit swap was originally planned for summer.

[eternal haven]

the objector decal patch really doesn't seem like it should have been tied to the 64 bit update at all

but I guess it was just easiest to release it that way

[wild grove]

delay it for what? We're gonna get more content now? Like original war paint bases made by the community? A contract pass?

[left sand]

i dont think its wise to release an update when people are wanting something else

[tough locust]

damn that means the update isnt even started yet oh well

[left sand]

and are also threatening to boycott on launch

itd be better to address the issue first then release an update

[wild grove]

true that

[wild grove]

That or no maps.

[tough locust]

scientific impossibility

[cursive peak]

Imagine if the ban wave dropped one morning and the summer update that evening.

[wild grove]

yeah I guess that's true, last year because of vscripting and a ton of year rounds, we hit new player peaks.

[tough locust]

they kinda turned summer into a holiday-type event so it gets featured maps, i dont expect 10000 maps this time tho like last time

[left sand]

i think 2 to 4 maps maybe

[wild grove]

Last year was 14 maps, so cut that in half, and boom 2024 summer map amount.

[cursive peak]

Hoping for Ashville. One of these updates.

[tough locust]

then again i think the extra 4 was just so VSH could have a map pool so i'm thinking 10/2 so 5 TOPS probably 4

[left sand]

i have a feeling we're going to get much more than maps as an extra to the update

[wild grove]

I hope we get another vsh, especially that robot one, so fucking cool.

[tough locust]

i honestly have 0 preferences for what maps drop this update

[cursive peak]

Fresh batch of Cheater's Laments.

[wild grove]

The "I got bots banned and all I got was this t-shirt" cosmetic

[spring kestrel]

What constitutes that thought?

Please tell me I used constitutes correctly

[wild grove]

We huffing hopium up in this joint! Wooo!

[tough locust]

only thing i can think of is that we'll get whatever tiny bugfixes that haven't been pushed in 6 months. The 64 bit update was just a quick drop alongside the objector fix

and they didnt include the rest of their bugfixes in it

[spring kestrel]

Where are my community fixes

Those were awesome

I loved the workshop for them so much

[tough locust]

never coming sadly

[cursive peak]

The workshop community fixes were pretty boring.

[wild grove]

you mean the gamebanana ports? No dice.

I have heard that cosmetic lighting and facial flex fixes are stuck in limbo, would love to see them finished and added.

[cursive peak]

I'm not sure all the fixes were submitted in the proper manner.

[small siren]

*I'm not sure all the

fixes were submitted in

the proper manner.*

- steamworks

[tough locust]

i still love the bug where all the mvm "i'm ready!" voices show up on your character

[wild grove]

They aren't, you have to either put the fix on github, or email eric smith.

[spring kestrel]

They were very fun ideas tho

[wild grove]

and you have to show them how to replicate the fixes.

step by step

[cursive peak]

The community fixes were all just cosmetic in nature.

TC2 is more what I find interesting for community fixes.

[tough locust]

which i like bc the game has so many inconsistencies

[left sand]

theres like 4 good workshop fixes

the rest are pretty bleh

[tough locust]

but it doesnt matter too much bc preloading still works in casual, my only fear is that the summer update breaks it and then all the mods that the community has been porting over for the past year become worthless

[spring kestrel]

Nothing wrong with that!

[cursive peak]

Doesn't make them interesting, either.

[wild grove]

It's very likely not gonna.

[spring kestrel]

Well they're still nice

Don't have to be wide or sweeping to be appreciated

[drowsy marlin]

I still can't beleive people think solving a captcha before you queue is a good idea to deter bots

[left sand]

people need to see my review of community fixes

[drowsy marlin]

Where

[cursive peak]

I was there when it happened.

[spring kestrel]

You made one?

[left sand]

yess

[drowsy marlin]

Where can i see this review

[left sand]

it was very

[spring kestrel]

That's the funniest thing ever I didn't know people were pushing that

[tough locust]

it makes sense why they wont get implemented bc "valve needs to make them with their own source files" but its a shame that valve doesn't bother to touch up decade-old inconsistencies like ubercharge textures and gibs using the beta models

[left sand]

the ubercharge textures look worse fixed

they need to instead completely redo them

[spring kestrel]

That's cool I didn't know that

[left sand]

the real things valve should fix are the anim scripts

the blends are a real mess

[spring kestrel]

Yea

[drowsy marlin]

I want valve to bring back the v_model for the minigun

The c_model looks like caca

[spring kestrel]

OH NO

[tough locust]

agree, i think most community fixes dont get it right either but i like their suggestions

[spring kestrel]

?

[left sand]

yeah thats the thing

[spring kestrel]

Exactly!

[left sand]

most of the fixes are suggestions

not fixes

[drowsy marlin]

What are you confused about

[left sand]

so its like telling valve "omg theres all these fixes" when they are really just ideas

[spring kestrel]

What's the v_minigun

[drowsy marlin]

The orginal view model for the minigun

[spring kestrel]

Ohhhhhh

[drowsy marlin]

Then they removed it to support skins

[spring kestrel]

Yeah

Comparatively it looks so crummy

[wild grove]

wouldn't it be better to just remake the c_model texture so it looks as good as the v_model counterpart?

[tough locust]

i mean they removed it in 2014 during love and war before skins came out, they did it to merge their (dogshit) v_model and w_model system into one but got super lazy when it came to actually making the split up models int o a single model

[left sand]

my workshop review starts there

[drowsy marlin]

It's not just a texture change. The whole model is different

[left sand]

you can scroll down

[drowsy marlin]

The animations are different too

[wild grove]

Nah fuck the minigun, what about the particle effect of the minigun firing no longer having jigglebones?

[tough locust]

the problem is that the v_models don't actually contain the entire model( the minigun's ammo barrel is all clipped off) while the w_model is pretty low-poly. when they merged them, they just ended up using the w_models with a few tweaks to not make their worse quality so egregiously bad

[drowsy marlin]

Society...

Is there a mod that brings back the v_minigun? Or am I BONED

[tough locust]

yeah 1 min

[wild grove]

There is prolly more than 1

At varying levels of completion

[drowsy marlin]

Also the shading was downgraded too with the c_models

[tough locust]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/475115 https://gamebanana.com/mods/195567

[drowsy marlin]

Skins and cosmetics ruin TF2 (as with all games)

Incredible

[high current]

Oh this is neato

I wonder if maybe the bot hosters weren’t lying but just got it wrong? Valve secrecy actually working benevolently for once?

[left sand]

nah

[wild grove]

the move to c_models were not for skins but for easier workloads, community members were already doing that for their weapons so valve was like "why not us as well?" the skin system was just a cherry on top of the sundae.

idk why they changed the weapons visually tho to look like plastic but they can be changed with vmt parameters to look nicer

[high current]

Ah fair enough

Oh yep, saw some discussion about it not being a hwid ban. Happened while i was taking a nap

[wild grove]

also the festivizer system :)

[wild grove]

Are they obvious spinning scouts or like scouts with really good aim?

[high current]

Cheaters shaking in their boots.

[wintry vigil]

they run around and crit you with melee

thats literally all they do

its so annoying

[wild grove]

Okay that is not what I expected

[wintry vigil]

like flies

[wild grove]

lmao

so those mvm bots then on steroids?

[tough locust]

festives and festivizers exiting at the same time is so weird tho like i get why they exist (for festivized skins) but its just so weird

[wintry vigil]

the snipers are also bots, but they aren't new accounts

[wild grove]

so glad the festivizer was fixed visually, any festivized weapon look so much better now.

[drowsy marlin]

I wonder what's the logic for which lights to turn on for the festive items

[eternal haven]

It's just animated textures I think

festive_lights_blue and festive_lights_red in materials/models/weapons/c_items

idk why each light starts at a different point in the texture though

[small siren]

*idk why each

light starts at a different point

in the texture though*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[eternal haven]

maybe a different area of the texture is applied to it

[wild grove]

the fun of making festivizer color changers.

[eternal haven]

that would be my guess

[small siren]

*maybe a different

area of the texture

is applied to it*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[wild grove]

I have made purple, old festive icon based colors, trans pride, and very red and blue, I would make more but I don't play the game modded (forced to for now.).

[radiant merlin]

If someone sees this comment, there's already a mod thatbdoes that https://gamebanana.com/mods/498627

[fleet kite]

Anyone know of a way to have bots automatically switch teams to maintain balance? My issue is that im running a fill quota but if players want to switch teams I have to set unbalance to at least 1, and then the teams will end up unbalanced (obviously)

Basically I want players to be able to "replace" bots in a team while balance is maintained by bots

[velvet raft]

bring Terminator

[zealous pond]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/lTeVITu5rCIqvR3pmb/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952i766fdnkyni8ae83sqwhwuanj8vf9x85x7t81c0v&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[wintry vigil]

update: all the bots in this screenshot got banned

(had their profiles saved and checked them just now)

[unborn pecan]

based?

[jade scroll]

including TFTerminator?

[jade scroll]

can confirm: TFTerminator has been banned

[velvet raft]

nvm, fixed it

[mystic turtle]

so anyways, @turbid hill , to continue

the redirecting to a different issue pissed off at least a small fraction of the community, who thought it was valve trying to shut MSB & co. up

when this is just standard github repo procedure

hell broke loose in the thread, and Valve eventually had to lock it
then people just started further demonstrating their shortsightedness in the issue they were redirected to, and in all honesty it peeved me

[green tulip]

context for the above: #tf2-quickplay message

[mystic turtle]

thanks for that

[turbid hill]

Oh yeah that was a very immature reaction to it, the person was just doing their job and got screamed at for days

[next nymph]

When the maintainer of a GitHub repo redirects you to an existing issue, in the majority of these cases the maintainer is simply trying to prevent the amount of duplicate issues from becoming bloated, not ostracize the person reporting the issue.

That's a pretty tame way to put it. I'd add that one of the reasons to not have duplicates is for higher quality discussion, since now everyone has ready access to all the relevant information instead of it being spread about a bunch of unrelated issues. It would genuinely be better for everyone to not duplicate issues, but people couldn't help but take everything as an attack

[mystic turtle]

in any case, that's part of why I'm in the camp of "tf2 players should branch out a bit"
at the very least it could somewhat mitigate this kinda of crazy... cult-ish? action that goes around

[mystic turtle]

and thanks :)

[turbid hill]

Looking around the subreddit there's definitely a cultish attitude towards the movement

I still gave it a signature and waited to see any actions from Valve, I guess recent actions are sort of nice but we need to actively be told if these are gonna be long term ones or not

Valve's cute and all with not communicating but it makes it a fucking pain to know what's happening

They've been much better with the way they handled communication with the Steam deck

[mystic turtle]

exactly the same for me
I'm not a contrarian asshole, and I'm willing to help
but I ain't joining the mob, not in a million years

[next nymph]

the problem with valve communicating about tf2 is every time they do, people either assume impossible standards or start grabbing pitchforks

[turbid hill]

Yeah true

[mystic turtle]

this was probably why they wouldn't touch fixtf2 with a yardstick

they learned from last time

[turbid hill]

My experience with the steam deck was so much more positive that I forgot how the TF2 community acted

[green tulip]

doesn't Valve have like an internal policy for not communicating stuff to the public?

I forget exactly but iirc there's something like that employed there

tbh Value not talking to the public much makes sense, It puts less pressure on them since it means they don't have to uphold any promises if they don't make any in the first place

[mystic turtle]

Exactly, it's a principle that's seen use elsewhere

[turbid hill]

I wonder why it was so different with the steam deck

There was active communication between the community and the devs

Maybe because feedback was much more necessary than games?

[mystic turtle]

that is true
and remember that the Deck is a big part of Valve's plans going forward

whereas TF2 is a relic from the Orange Box days that's somehow survived

[turbid hill]

Yeah true

The Steam deck's the only cool thing Valve has got going project wise rn

The Index was really cool but it's already outdated hardware wise

[rare creek]

i cant believe fixtf2 fixed tf2

[lyric badger]

why are people so against community servers

everyone i talk to has this exact same argument

[soft lynx]

because the only reason you'd host a community server is out of the goodness of your heart

you're paying for the enjoyment of others

and as they said, and rightfully so, running alternative gamemodes and uncommon maps just won't get you any numbers

[cursive peak]

"Hosting isn't cheap"? What? You can get decent hosting for very little.

[heavy solar]

@cursive peak has leveled up! (84 ➜ 85)

[soft lynx]

depending on where they live the service or the energy cost to run their own might just be too high

especially if done over a long period of time

because there's basically no money coming back to you as a hoster

[cursive peak]

A VDS with 4 CPU cores and 4GB of RAM is like $20 on NFO.

That's enough for at least 2 TF2 servers.

I paid out of pocket for TF2 server hosting for like 8 years until I had to close my last one due to my own financial difficulties.

[soft lynx]

20 bucks a month just so you and some other random people might play is a heft investment

[cursive peak]

That's why you build a community around your community server.

Or run MGE. Those servers spontaneously fill on their own.

I was paying more like $35/month for years to have my own match servers for competitive TF2, a 24 slot pub, and an MGE server.

[soft lynx]

right and the people that wanna put in the time for something like that, do it

[tough locust]

i mean you can also just host a server on a spare PC/laptop for free +5 bucks a month for electricity

[lyric badger]

i got a working computer out of the trash

[tough locust]

exactly

[lyric badger]

im waiting til i move and can port foward

[soft lynx]

glad you do, but the person you screenshotted earlier obviously didn't think it was worth their time nor their effort

so I don't see how that's any less of a valid argument to have

[cursive peak]

Eh, routing to home IPs isn't always super optimal.

[lyric badger]

also a lot of people still think its all like tf2ware and deathrun

and the only vanilla servers have 1 map

i used quickplay and found other unpopular vanilla servers with multiple maps

and i assume more will be made because of quickplay filling them

[turbid hill]

I used to be mildly unsure about community servers really being a good solution due to the server browser's problems but now that quickplay.tf exists it's kinda weird that people still think they can't be viable

Letting it be the far west didn't work very well, that's how it was for over a decade, but this new system does already work rather well even in its early stages

[livid oracle]

tf2 youtuber said it's impossible to enjoy the game without random shotgun spread

[lyric badger]

you can just leave it on

[kind falcon]

you mean "with"

[livid oracle]

no

you will be timed out in 15 seconds

[kind falcon]

can i be on the server

thanks

[high current]

I prefer the convenience of casual and the bar that makes happy noises when I finish a game. But I think community servers are still valid and play them frequently.
I just think it’s weird when people dookie on the casual system.

[heavy solar]

@high current has leveled up! (19 ➜ 20)

[lyric badger]

people like the bar?

[high current]

Yeh I have monkey brain and I like jingly noise and arbitrary progress

[misty plover]

That's overpriced to all hell though

[lyric badger]

i think im immune to level up dopamine in any game unless im grinding for something specifically

i hacked all the characters in gw2 cause i was really sick of how slow itwas to unlock them (it still took several hours even when having infinite currency)

[orchid sorrel]

I get level up dopamine but not from casual because the ranking/xp is inherently worthless

You can barely tell a badge rank because if the multiple tiers

[wild grove]

the issues aren't a dealbreaker imo

[orchid sorrel]

casual would be better if you could extend rounds (or at least so the server doesnt clear out after 2 rounds)

often times I end up spending more time waitng for a match to start than playing the game

[wild grove]

yeah, that's the big issue

you can't play the same map for too long.

[unborn pecan]

the repo got

claimed by valve

[potent wolf]

not even kisak

[unborn pecan]

😭

wait is this a trol

[potent wolf]

yes

kisak please stop

[unborn pecan]

wait

I think this is the real kisak?

They did this commit

[potent wolf]

you can spoof commits

[unborn pecan]

fr>

Don't you need like

an SSH key to do that, or the login information for kisak-valve

[potent wolf]

no

[unborn pecan]

😭

[proper tangle]

its probably spoofed, saw the cheater rambling on reddit about it

[small siren]

*its probably spoofed,

saw the cheater rambling on

reddit about it*

- diegodamohill

[proper tangle]

trying to accuse valve of hosting the cheats

[unborn pecan]

lol

[green tulip]

https://github.com/jayphelps/git-blame-someone-else/commit/e5cfe4bb2190a2ae406d5f0b8f49c32ac0f01cd7

[uncut spear]

what in the fuck

[potent wolf]

iirc if it says "Verified" on the commit then it's signed with an SSH or PGP key, but otherwise you can set it to whatever

[unborn pecan]

oh

[proper tangle]

yeah guy is just mad he lost some items probably

[wild grove]

btw I checked and most of these branches haven't been updated in YEARS

[proper tangle]

can't you have private branches?

or am i mistaken?

dont usually use github

[wild grove]

maybe?

I don't use github that often

I only use it rarely to report a bug

[potent wolf]

private repos yes

private branches no

afaik

[kind falcon]

me when i am tech illiterate

[unborn pecan]

@eternal haven you are smelly

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-you-like-kissing-boys-don't-you-cat-lowpoly-3d-gif-9960745507421464646

[heady juniper]

what do you mean

did you mean to ping @kind falcon ???

[unborn pecan]

no

I meant to ping you

[velvet raft]

what's the difference

[heady juniper]

so why is it over for me? what did I do

[heady juniper]

because my username was taIon at that time

of pijg

ping*

[potent wolf]

having your username set to "talon" lowers your ping by 20ms

[heady juniper]

No, not talon, taIon

[potent wolf]

i see

[velvet raft]

@kind falcon did you know your name means heel in spanish

[heady juniper]

no

[next nymph]

@kind falcon did you know your name means talon in english

||and in filipino it means waterfall||

[unborn pecan]

You contributed to cathook

[heady juniper]

ok and?

I contributed to one microsoft repo, means I must love EEE

[small siren]

*I contributed

to one microsoft repo,

means I must love EEE*

- taIon

[heady juniper]

in fact in daily driving windows 13 beta

which is based on linux kernel

[next nymph]

this is true, if theres one thing i know about micwoj its m$ shilling

[heady juniper]

well mic starts for microsoft

[orchid sorrel]

Micwojsoft

[high current]

What map are you queued for? The only time I get painfully long queues is if I queue for like only pd_watergate…

[orchid sorrel]

Im not talking about queues im talking about the combination of round ends, pre games, and map changes

Casual rounds end too fast unless its something stalematey like dustbowl or ctf

[high current]

Eh. I find payload tends to be like 1 minute of not gaming, then like 30 minutes of gaming. 5cp tends to just stalemate into pain and suffering. Plr is our lord and savior.

[unborn pecan]

michaelwoj

[spring kestrel]

5cp in sixes 👍
5cp in casual 👎

[high current]

I agree

[cursive peak]

I've even played 5CP in Highlander.

[high current]

Doubling player count on a balanced map is no bueno

[eternal haven]

Yeah it gets so boring

12v12 5cp

it's fun for a bit every once in a while but gets old fast

[high current]

It’s only fun because I can rollout to the enemy’s second faster than they can get to the mid. After that novelty it stalemates and a sentry goes up and I cry

[zealous pond]

Too bad domination CP never took off.

[lyric badger]

is it like how it is in tf2c?

[zealous pond]

Never played TF2C.

[lyric badger]

is it like how it is in battle field but with tf2 sized maps

[small siren]

*is it like how it

is in battle field but with

tf2 sized maps*

- shotgunriver

[zealous pond]

Similar. No reinforcements though.

Just boring timers. 😴

[lyric badger]

idk if c has reinforcements

it has tickets and you gain more the more points you have

i wish there was a symetrical 4 team dom map tho

[spring kestrel]

I mean it's funny, but god is it painful

[potent wolf]

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/37C7-829B-5DE3-CC3B

[kind falcon]

bwajaja

[wild grove]

this a new entry?

[potent wolf]

yes

https://github.com/SteamDatabase/SteamHelpTracking/compare/c99308b7f688...9706444302b6 just added

[wild grove]

oh nice

but what does a game ban do?

[tough locust]

is the "botting/automation" line the first time they've actually mentioned it?

[wild grove]

oh so it's like a VAC ban, but only for that specific game

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/668A-E672-832D-7D04

is the game ban section new?

[spare obsidian]

yep

i mean its new to that page but that was not knew for a lot of people

[eternal haven]

I wonder why they're game banning them instead of vac banning

what's the point

[high current]

Game bans have been a thing for a while iirc. Maybe they just listed them as an umbrella ban before though.

[high current]

So they can still spend money on steam.

[eternal haven]

you can still spend money on steam when you're vac banned

[spare obsidian]

game bans only bans you in a particular game

[eternal haven]

vac only bans you in a particular group of games

like a tf2 vac doesn't prevent you from playing csgo

unless they changed it idk

[spare obsidian]

i think depending of the severity you can get a general vac ban iirc

[high current]

Yeh but if you play like your suite of 5 games and you cheat in 1 and your whole account gets banned, you probably aren’t going to keep buying stuff. You might make a new account to start those 5 games again, but you’re not gonna drop a ton of money.

If you get banned from 1 then you just move on and keep buying stuff

Would be my tin foil hat guess

[spare obsidian]

btw, even a game ban dissalows you from sending gifts

so technically you can't spend money

[eternal haven]

Idk I still think it's weird that they would game ban

and release a new article about tf2 game bans

instead of just vac

[spare obsidian]

How do VAC and Game Bans affect gifting?
When a user is VAC or Game Banned, their Steam account is banned from playing multiplayer on secured servers. This creates an incentive for people who cheat to stockpile copies of games on one account and to gift them to low value accounts where they can continue cheating. In response to this problem, Steam no longer allows users to purchase copies of VAC or Game Ban enabled games to their inventory. Additionally, if an account has directly gifted a game to other players who have been VAC or permanently Game Banned, the gifter's account will lose the ability to gift that game moving forward.

We've taken these steps to ensure the integrity of the multiplayer experience for those participating in online gaming communities. We understand that the restrictions on buying to your Inventory may be inconvenient, but we believe these steps will reduce the number of cheaters you'll play against.

[high current]

Apparently a community ban doesn’t stop you from trading though. I know it’s a different ban type, but weird that trading doesn’t count as community interaction.

[eternal haven]

usually game bans are kind of used for games that don't have vac

eg. if games have another anticheat or the developer does manual bans or whatever, those are game bans

[spare obsidian]

btw, you can't buy games in steam with a game ban if the game is vac protected or game ban enable which represents 70% of the store

[wild grove]

it does tho? you can't trade with a community ban.

"Current Trade or Community Ban
You also may be unable to trade or use the market if your account has been banned from trading by Steam Support. Depending on the severity of the violation, you may receive a temporary or permanent trade ban."

[high current]

I think that must mean you can be community banned and/or trade banned?

[eternal haven]

community bans used to blank out your profile weird or something

[small siren]

*I think that must mean

you can be community

banned and/or trade banned?*

- peachestv

[wild grove]

still does

[eternal haven]

I remember I knew a guy who intentionally got community banned so he could have the profile

without privating his profile

[wild grove]

it makes it private forever

[spare obsidian]

wasn't there a 4 type of vac ban too?

[eternal haven]

I'm pretty sure it used to have a different appearance than it does now

can't remember well

[wild grove]

if you're community banned, you basically get exiled, become a social outcast, and you can't use the community aspects of steam at all.

[spare obsidian]

and if you got game ban you can't use your money because 70% of the games on the store are game ban enable and/or vac protected

getting community banned and game ban makes your account ptty much useless

[wild grove]

Is there still game bans being given out rn?

for tf2?

because I heard that those scout melee bots were deleted off existence at like 11 PM pst yesterday

[radiant merlin]

alright can they already roll back the f2p chat restriction?

[kind falcon]

naur

[spare obsidian]

i don't think they will

[high current]

Did it actually do anything productive? I guess it added the slightest boundary to botting. But I’m sure you can get like retired trade bot accounts at mass

[wild grove]

maybe if you emailed eric smith? I don't think they'll revert, but it's worth a shot.

[high current]

Probably just created a black market for accounts. Or bolstered it

[wild grove]

also where can I see the latest account that got game banned?

like a history of accounts banned

[spare obsidian]

i don't think there's a website where it tracks vac bans

||hey maybe a next idea for mcoms ||

[wild grove]

I mean it makes sense

[eternal haven]

The dumbest part is f2ps can't call medic

[high current]

Isn’t it because you could do a combination of voice lines to make slurs?

[kind falcon]

yes. calling out a slur is a premium feature

[high current]

They also need to make bullet holes a premium feature. You can draw hate signs and funny rocket ships with bullet holes

[unborn pecan]

🐰

[mystic turtle]

it's inconsistent and often requires the schadenfreude taunt to get good results
a non-slur exception that also doesn't really need a taunt, as an example: use the sentry ahead command and cancel into the default wrench taunt as soon as Engie says sentry

so you could say it's even more pay-to-use tbh

(p.s. one favorite of mine is hoping that the Deep Fried Desire taunt makes scout say "got a bucket of chicken" so I can say that some class has a bucket of chicken)

[summer steeple]

thats not even slurs though

thats just built in words

like HL1 can just do that

[kind falcon]

fuck it of dickin

[velvet raft]

don't ruin my joke

https://tenor.com/view/битва-cat-cute-punch-gif-15958170

[mystic turtle]

because I didn't bother mentioning the slurs....

a common one is abusing teleporter calls, especially on Demoman

[velvet raft]

that's a bloody sentry

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-tf2-team-fortress-tf-demoman-gif-21098351

[mystic turtle]

the classic

[summer steeple]

no not your message the video

[orchid sorrel]

no its just because voice commands are technically text chat or something

[velvet raft]

fiend, what is deep rock galactic about

[orchid sorrel]

you play as 4 short dudes and go mining for shiny rocks and shooting giant bugs its fun

[velvet raft]

so World of Warcraft?

[orchid sorrel]

yea but you play as TF2 classes

[summer steeple]

dwarves

[velvet raft]

why are you insulting us

[summer steeple]

no thats what deep rock galactic is about

[velvet raft]

/j

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-sour-cat-cat-meme-cat-gif-4305398913986271634

[turbid hill]

It's weird that they're doing game bans

Also supposedly shutting down accounts? and some vac bans too? It seems kinda scattered all over the place

[kind falcon]

it cant be a vac ban because it wasnt vac that detected the thingy .

[turbid hill]

Manual bans or something else?

[kind falcon]

yes. manual

manul

https://tenor.com/view/scrubbins-manul-pallas-cat-adorable-cute-gif-18083480918559055193

[turbid hill]

Bans were handed out pretty quickly after new accounts were created

I'd be a bit dissapointed if it's just all manual because that doesn't really feel like a very good long term solution does it

Unless you hire one poor soul to ban bots for 20 years

To be fair the tech industry hires people to do worse things for way cheaper than whatever a valve salary is

[left sand]

its not manual

some later versions of vac detections have always been listed as game bans

you'll see this in csgo and cs2 as well, especially for some vacnet stuff

[fleet kite]

Where do I sign up

[misty plover]

Yep it's a tactic to throw off cheaters on why exactly they got banned

It's a pretty good idea

If you can trick them into thinking they aren't detected you can get more of them

[next nymph]

keep bots unbanned but exclusively matchmake with other bots

[misty plover]

Yeah you could do cheater only lobbies but they'd realize that fairly quick

[turbid hill]

I see!

I was surprised that they'd be manual

[turbid hill]

It seems they're about as confused as the rest of the playerbase, so it's working

[misty plover]

I mean, part of that is cope from the actual devs of the cheat

They don't want to lose market share so they'll like about being detected

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-sour-cat-cat-meme-cat-gif-4305398913986271634

i dont see any of the paid cheats being detected

[left sand]

hopefully those will get detected soon

[kind falcon]

impossible

[misty plover]

Most of the paid ones are abandonware so

Shouldn't be that hard to get to them

[kind falcon]

youre living in 2015

[misty plover]

Nuh uh

You live in 2013 talon...

[paper sluice]

aweso

[formal dew]

It's joever

[unborn pecan]

What fi I got banned for being to swagm

[slender nexus]

the most oppressed minority is dnsense users 😭

[unborn pecan]

so true...

is dnsense next?!?!?!

[misty plover]

What if we

Held hands at the end of pier as the cart falls

Haha just kidding

Unless?

[unborn pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1101472115141648397.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=flushed_glasses

yo

[slender nexus]

ub got rizz

[eternal haven]

In linux when you open tf2 it prints some stuff to stdout and you can view it in your terminal or whatever

How do you view the same in windows?

[molten compass]

new life has been breathed into this game

[hoary geyser]

quickplay sweep

[drowsy marlin]

Woah are those new bots?

[eternal haven]

It could just be players

people who otherwise wouldn't bother playing deciding to play a bit since they're excited to see valve banning bots

[proper tangle]

Yeah I personally know a few people who got the news and started playing again this weekend

wouldn't be suprised

also aparently bots are still getting banned

[tough locust]

considering the random dips where like 5k people leave and spontaneously come back an hour later i think its idle farms getting ready for the summer crate

[eternal haven]

That could just be the bot runners logging in on new accounts and those getting banned

Hard for anyone to say really

[unborn pecan]

Mmm tf2

Valve fardtress 2

[orchid sorrel]

Its also both summer break, as well as almost 4th if july weekend

A lot of gamers probably off from work/school

[jagged pawn]

thoughts? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSGYYzyWIiw

[tough locust]

agree with most of the fixes he suggested to Casual honestly, Casual could be wayy better than it is now like it's fine but it needs all of those QoL fixes

[cursive peak]

https://www.twitch.tv/rglgg

RGL Disrupt Cup startin in about half an hour.

[unborn pecan]

Tf2 needs big booty latinas

Obv

[jagged pawn]

TRUE

give miss pauling a gf

[unborn pecan]

Ong

[proper tangle]

I just want more fixes, to visual bugs, the hud, to some weapon models and animations, and to demoknight in general

casual just needs a "include community servers" checkbox that work like coms' quickplay and then lift the f2p communication restrictions

that last one, of course, if bots keep being banned

and most importantly, just have better default settings for new players

Game doesn't really "need" content, it already has way more than almost every other similar game out there, just needs refinement to whats there

[green tulip]

are there any general TF2 VScripts out there yet? like ones that aren't tied to some custom gamemode or map

aka ones that would serve purposes similar to sourcemod plugins

[uncut spear]

if only the women mercenaries made it into the game,,,,

[civic marsh]

https://www.twitch.tv/RGLgg Disrupt cup is finally starting

[tough locust]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/524713 :O new preloader??

[jagged pawn]

👀

[eternal haven]

Kinda cringe that they distribute the tool for it as a compiled java class when it could just be a simple script

[uncut spear]

I love the skulls to promote ot

I have no complaints

[velvet raft]

what's ot

[eternal haven]

it

[uncut spear]

yeah

misspelling

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/toonces-gif-15716780438844996367

[kind falcon]

tiktok tf2 community

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-sour-cat-cat-meme-cat-gif-4305398913986271634

[wild grove]

didn't think there would be one

since you know, they don't like anything remotely modern or trendy

[small siren]

*since you know, they don't

like anything remotely

modern or trendy*

- woshee

[summer steeple]

why is this an image of a reddit post which is an image of a reddit post

[wild grove]

WHICH IS a image of a tiktok

[velvet raft]

what?

dude you're a 21 zoomer, what are you doing hating your gang

[wild grove]

what? I don't hate tiktok lol

I don't use it, but it don't mean I hate it's guts

since anything on tiktok ends up on other short form places anyways

[velvet raft]

use it for cats

[uncut spear]

the dopamine of scout rushing correlates with tiktok

[velvet raft]

my fyp has a lot of cats

[uncut spear]

so you're wrong buddy boo

[wild grove]

alright okay

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/sweetragers-kirby-boo-ghost-scary-gif-26055673

[uncut spear]

(I play scout and don't use TikTok either so :P)

[wild grove]

I try to play all 9 classes, although like some players, I am allergic to picking medic.

[velvet raft]

why?

isn't the medic's melee a crit machine or is that a myth, i have less than 200 hours so idk

[wild grove]

Yeah, but it's usually a downside, especially if you use ubersaw

since the crits means less uber

since they are dead sooner

So instead of getting 50% from the scout, you get 25% cause you critted the scout, killing him.

[uncut spear]

I commend you for putting up with spy

[summer steeple]

it’s a myth

there’s no hidden crit rate shenanigans in the game outside of the base “more damage = higher crit rate” and the crit bucket

i don't remember how exactly the medi-gun interacts with those tho

[jagged pawn]

all melees have a higher crit rate, and assisted damage via medi gun counts towards the damage scaling, so in practice yes medic melees go crazy

[summer steeple]

right thats what I thought

[jagged pawn]

it's not a hidden stat or anything but it's just the way the values end up manifesting with the existing rules

melee crit chance peaks at 60%

for ranged weapons it's 12%

and medic uses his melee way more than most classes

[drowsy marlin]

is there a search function for the comfig hit sounds?

[summer steeple]

christ it never occured to me just how complicated the crit code would be

i'm not sure if or how the medigun affects the crit bucket or crit chance

it doesn't seem to be a medigun specific thing but from what I can tell only damage done by the player themselves affects it

like as far as I understand, it only sends the damage events which are used for increasing crit chance to the attacker

i could be wrong

i probably am

[drowsy marlin]

another reason to remove random crits

the code is too complicated

[summer steeple]

i mean i spent about 5 minutes looking into it with no prior knowledge lol

[jagged pawn]

oh am I pushing misinformation

[grim parcel]

another reason to kill tf2

the code is too complicated

[kind falcon]

should just give everyone crits every 10 shots

[summer steeple]

idk maybe

i'm more inclined to doubt myself

[kind falcon]

ure not

[jagged pawn]

huge

[kind falcon]

™️

there are technicalities that noone wants to get into

[left sand]

at the top of the page in the navigation bar, do you not see it?

[jagged pawn]

why is shounic using richter overtime of all people as a source 😭 this is embarrassing

[left sand]

didnt i have a whole thread where i explicitly listed bot work being done from 2019 onwards continuously

[jagged pawn]

the claim being made is true but following it with "I know this because richter overtime told me" is what I'm making fun of

like why did he need that to know

[wild grove]

source: some dude told me.

[jade scroll]

I don't think so? there was a thread you did early june that was basically listing all the things valve has done against bots. ultimately most changes listed didn't improve things much, but they certainly were things valve did!

[jagged pawn]

they were attempts if nothing else

I would say at worst they demonstrate a genuine desire to fix the issue

[summer steeple]

source: my buddy eric, whose uncle works at nintendo valve

[jade scroll]

https://fxtwitter.com/mastercoms/status/1797908595570577444

[high current]

Eh. If work is being done but the player base doesn’t know, as far as they’re concerned there’s no work being done.
Basically if they want to make people happy, either act or communicate.

[velvet raft]

what's wrong with Ritcher? im kinda new to the community

[jagged pawn]

serial liar and bigot

[velvet raft]

wdym

[jagged pawn]

banned from so many servers because he couldn't stop calling people tr*nnies

I've interacted with him directly and he's a bad person lol

[summer steeple]

i'd love to read this thread, shame twitter is one of the worse hell sites ever and i'm not going to make an account

[small siren]

*I've interacted

with him directly and he's

a bad person lol*

- Grapevime

[high current]

Ik it’s “not valves way” and they have done things. But they didn’t really justify muting f2p accounts in any meaningful ways and also the valve methodology doesn’t equate to a good way

It can be good. But it can also be dog water

[velvet raft]

why are all source engine youtubers like that bro 😭

[jagged pawn]

it's genuinely 90% of them it's wild

[velvet raft]

is Pinplash like that?

[jagged pawn]

no idea what it is about this game that attracts them

I don't know who that is

[velvet raft]

https://youtu.be/1BNxfWLpKn8

[jade scroll]

most of these changes in this thread are of these categories:

• No impact. Genuinely. Especially with that point about vac being updated and manual bot bans.
• While ultimately doing nothing, prevented bots from literally shutting down servers. They still were able to effectively shut down servers until now though.
• Actual good changes for longevity, such as 64bit and vscript.

Overall valve definitely hasn't done absolutely nothing, but its still not enough

[high current]

Probably something to do with having a desire for the spot light and getting it gives them the false sense of authority they wanted to spew their hateful opinions

(In response to someone asking why tftubers all seem to turn out discriminatory in some way)

[velvet raft]

who's more hateful, TF2 or Overwatch youtubers?

[wild grove]

my guess?

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[high current]

Honestly I think it’s probably just public figures in general feel more comfortable voicing their opinions.
Normal people if you say something stupid people will call you out on that. But famous people have fans who will just yes-man them no matter what. So if they say something wildly hateful they’ll get the minority of people that support that hate, and the yes-men. So they’ll think their hateful beliefs are more valid than they would if they weren’t famous.

That’d be my guess

So basically like I usually say. I don’t think it’s a tftuber problem, just a celebrity problem. And we happen to be in the tf2 community so we notice it more when it’s close to home.

[jagged pawn]

idk I don't think any other game communities I'm in are this bigoted. they have their own separate issues sure but not this one specifically

maybe shooters more broadly

[high current]

The only other game community I’m in is like diabolical. And that has like 30 people in it

[wild grove]

as someone who plays community mvm, never forget the reactions for the charity you could donate to for hexadecimal horrors (trevor project)

[high current]

Maybe it’s because tf2 it’s so easy to skill diff someone? Like in other games you just blame guns and characters and stuff. But in tf2 there’s way less rock-paper-scissors strategy and more just “shoot better, dodge better”. So you just get mad at the person that rolled you?

Or maybe because so many people have thousands of hours in the game over a decade and a half they feel it’s a part of their life. So they feel more personally attacked when someone skill diffs them, so they attack that person in a way they think is equally personal?
Then they carry that mindset into their content?

[wild grove]

that sounds like an excuse ngl, if being a bigot is how you cope with anger over a video game, that is really sad, seek help. (this isn't directed at you btw.)

[high current]

Oh it definitely isn’t healthy. I just think there’s probably some explanation for why tf2 seems to attract so many bigots

I think CS2 is equally bigoted though, but that’s also kinda a skill-diff prone boomer game

[spare obsidian]

i mean tf2 community iirc born on forum and imageboards, mainly imageboards

[heavy solar]

@spare obsidian has leveled up! (59 ➜ 60)

[next nymph]

regarding skill differences: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33613781

[high current]

That’s actually kinda interesting. Sad that it happens. But interesting that it kinda corroborates what I was thinking

[spring kestrel]

🗣️ 🔥 🔥

[velvet raft]

@jagged pawn this guy, he makes Half-Life facts videos and stuff, im surprised you never heard of him

[drowsy marlin]

Huh?

[drowsy marlin]

Ohhh

How do I preview what I searched?

[burnt dragon]

when anime girl moans?

or even better

anime boy moans!

[kind falcon]

you ok there

[burnt dragon]

yeah :3 Im doing fine thanks for asking ^w^

why, is there something wrong

[kind falcon]

yeah

you

[burnt dragon]

no Im doing fine

[left sand]

you can only download it, i can add preview though at some point

[left sand]

its something ive wanted to do but i wasnt satisfied with how the search works at a technical level, its not easy to add new features to it

ill have to rewrite it, and its just something i havent gotten around to because im dumb and lazy

[velvet raft]

and handsome

[tough locust]

AGREE

[crisp cedar]

idk i feel like gaming as a whole is full of bigots and attributing it to certain games instead of it being the norm for gaming culture as a whole kinda undermines how bad it is

[fleet kite]

When are the various server config files loaded? autoexec is only loaded once, but what about server.cfg?

[left sand]

on map change

[rare creek]

context?

[drowsy marlin]

Mastercoms I have a suggestion

What if the hitsoumds and huds om the website dowmload directly to your tf2 folder? Like the comfig itself

That would be neat as heck

[high current]

That’d also be an interesting addition to comfig huds, as it’d reduce the need for the huds.tf “hud install walkthrough” copy pasta.

Though obviously some huds have different infrastructure or setup needs. So maybe there could be a tag in the hud data that is like “direct install compatible”.

[hidden gyro]

NATURE IS HEALING

The bots and cheaters are finally going on VACation

We are the virus crisis

[high current]

https://tenor.com/view/calm-down-a-bit-calm-down-relax-gif-10599880

[hidden gyro]

<unintelligable screaming>

First the snakewater snakes, now this

😊

[left sand]

yeah, ive wanted to do that but im a bit unhappy about how itd work, since it feels like the different parts of the site are disparate from the app

[tough locust]

had a TF2 update dream again 🤦

[hidden gyro]

7 days since I dreamt tf2 added mudding and still no mudding update

[tough locust]

get one of those custom weapons guys to make mudding soldiers a reality

[cursive peak]

Give it a better name. "Mudding" also refers to taking 4WD vehicles out into a muddy field and tearing it up.

[high current]

That’s what I was thinking. Maybe that’s a southern US thing? Idk

I just know dudes in my highschool were packing dip in their lips and going mudding

[tough locust]

dip for soldier would be sick give scout some zyns, hookah for sniper, medic gets meth chocolate, out of ideas for the rest spy already has his cigs

[velvet raft]

can i talk about Source modding in general here or should i use another channel?

[summer steeple]

#gaming-news🎮 might be better

[left sand]

stage 3 of ban waves complete

[cursive peak]

How many stages to go?

[uncut spear]

https://youtu.be/2pH0T8AzSic?si=1bBfPNhkJn2nsmn7

[radiant merlin]

Valve should just restrict steam api

[potent wolf]

what

[velvet raft]

who's that

[spare obsidian]

what

[formal dew]

👀

[wild grove]

So what do you mean? They went after the paid ones?

[velvet raft]

mudskipper

[left sand]

The current increase in players seems legitimate

teamwork.tf is really struggling to be accurate at all lmao

[rare creek]

valve should remvive sdr and just get faster servers so we can measure player counts again

[left sand]

i am measuring player counts even with SDR

[rare creek]

can i have then

then

yhem

killing muselg

[summer steeple]

I always have trouble even finding the teamwork.tf lpayerl istings

oh its under COMMUNITY SERVERS for some reason

yeah the community servers: valve hosted

[potent wolf]

how do they measure their player counts

it would be nice if their backend was open source...

[summer steeple]

empty servers have gone down

[left sand]

they talked about it on their twitter

[rare creek]

they dotn mastercoms messures playercounts becaudr they are a valve employee and have access to the steam backend

[left sand]

their algorithm is honestly really bad and is bound to undercount

https://github.com/megascatterbomb/tf2PlayerCount

[rare creek]

eamwrjk.tf

tteam

[left sand]

like the data collected here

its just teamwork.tf

[potent wolf]

do you have a link?

[left sand]

this is the basis for the omega accurate super awesome video

[next nymph]

as an aside, is it mega scatter bomb or megas catter bomb

[small siren]

*as an aside, is

it mega scatter bomb or

megas catter bomb*

- JARATEKA

[left sand]

theres no actual analysis done

its just teamwork.tf's numbers taken

[potent wolf]

#cafe☕ message

[left sand]

im trying to find it

[rare creek]

im on a phone and i have typing correction turned off

[summer steeple]

142k players in tf2 and yet supposedly only 15k are ingame lol

[rare creek]

idle borte