from the little bits of steamservice VAC that i've poked at, it's not very well hidden
#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year
potent wolf
potent wolf
unless they have some other random loader in there
potent wolf
yeah i know
left sand
with server side modules coming to client
potent wolf
the module loader has rtti on it
kind falcon
theres lots of components
- said the valve employee
misty plover
- said the valve employee
Banned for doxxing.
kind falcon
Banned for doxxing.
ok alex
potent wolf
its like a virus
valve is putting a virus on my pc!? 🙀
kind falcon
valve is putting a virus on my pc!? 🙀
its a signed virus u dont have to worry
misty plover
its like a virus
A sufficiently advanced anticheat and a virus are indistinguishable (true)
kind falcon
depends
potent wolf
verified by our epic manual mapper
kind falcon
our employees are tad bit lazy and so theyre reusing kdmapper
now i wonder hows the apex linux situation
kind falcon
hop on apex
left sand
i mean
imo
userspace isnt inherently bad
it just means you have to deal with a liar
but thats fine imo
sometimes that a benefit
potent wolf
it just means you have to deal with a liar
a liar that you can't really assume much about
because of fragmentation
left sand
that is true but stochastic actors can still be protected against
they have common goals
which you define
mental warren
summer steeple
lmao
potent wolf
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807809192537882647/1153060882390208552/...
how do you find these
mental warren
Hey buddy cool mutual
umbuku
misty plover
a liar that you can't really assume much about
Tbf you should never ever trust the client nor make assumptions about anything being reliable on their system, regardless of what mode you're in
jagged pawn
SO TRUE
potent wolf
Tbf you should never ever trust the client nor make assumptions about anything b...
that's true, although in kernel mode you have more access and it's slightly harder to lie
misty plover
True
potent wolf
Tbf you should never ever trust the client nor make assumptions about anything b...
anyways
misty plover
My mindset about client trust is very toxic
potent wolf
what i really meant by that was that linux is so fragmented that you can't make very many assumptions about the client system
unborn pecan
It looks nice
unborn pecan
what i really meant by that was that linux is so fragmented that you can't make ...
Well
misty plover
what i really meant by that was that linux is so fragmented that you can't make ...
Ahhhh
unborn pecan
That's why Valve has steam runtime
Everything runs in the steam runtime container now
Including tf2
unborn pecan
It's a docker like environment
potent wolf
with custom graphics drivers
drivers which are passed through to the steam runtime iirc
misty plover
My mindset about client trust is very toxic
(I don't care if I have to spend an hour validating everything isn't bullshit, I'm not letting you fuck with my stuff)
unborn pecan
True true
potent wolf
drivers which are passed through to the steam runtime iirc
and you can't verify that they do their job right, because linux is fragmented
unborn pecan
But that's the nature of a modular system
That's like complaining about a jeep not doing o to 60 under 2 seconds
misty plover
You know, I actually wonder if there's any lunatic that's managed to modify the windows kernel to fuck with anticheats
potent wolf
You know, I actually wonder if there's any lunatic that's managed to modify the ...
oh theres absolutely someone whos done that
unborn pecan
Fiendtech for instance 
potent wolf
can't give you any info or anything because i don't know enough about it to say for sure
misty plover
oh theres absolutely someone whos done that
True but I doubt it's many who have
kind falcon
Fiendtech for instance <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
memeing in a serious conversation?
wow
potent wolf
maybe someday i'll go back to windows...
misty plover
Windows is starting to annoy me but I don't feel like going back to Linux rn because I have a pretty good workflow in windows now
potent wolf
Windows is starting to annoy me but I don't feel like going back to Linux rn bec...
this is literally me but the other way around
unborn pecan
Linux doesn't annoy me and I have a good workflow in it
Aren't u a nixos user replay?
potent wolf
True but I doubt it's many who have
my understanding is that patchguard is designed to stop people from doing this, but i've read about public patchgaurd bypasses
so it's definitely a thing
burnt dragon
I have a shit workflow on windows and I hate both OSes
potent wolf
Aren't u a nixos user replay?
yes
burnt dragon
time for templeos
misty plover
I always find fringe bugs that ruin my experience
potent wolf
Is nixos hard to learn?
it was a pain in the ass to start with
but its really convenient now
misty plover
I always find fringe bugs that ruin my experience
Like how this arch linux daily I was trying would permanently halt the system and crash the graphics driver requiring a hard reset when the memory filled up
burnt dragon
theres nothing on archlinux that can be unstable
kind falcon
theres nothing on archlinux that can be unstable
unstable
burnt dragon
hmmm yes this rock is extremely unstable
misty plover
Cleaning up leftovers manually gets annoying
And the system breaking apart after it changes the symlink
burnt dragon
it will release xrays in 45 billion years
kind falcon
And the system breaking apart after it changes the symlink
how was it breaking apart vro
misty plover
Nixos was probably the most problematic distro I ran
misty plover
how was it breaking apart vro
Not even sure, just arbitrary things would break it the symlink changed
small sirenBOT
misty plover
Not really that
kind falcon
okey.
misty plover
I would close everything before I had it do my new config updates
And then still have weird things fail
misty plover
Yeah the live rebuild seems more or less useless and should be removed
misty plover
i've had issues with kde breaking
That was the big thing
I also got a few graphics driver crashes, and once my browser somehow decided not to load browsing history or cookies but it never occurred again so idk if that was related or not
fleet kite
TF2 still has better anticheat than a certain AAA crime-based FPS that brings in bazillion dollars per year
misty plover
My biggest issue though is nix (language) was basically entirely undocumented and really ugly to write
fleet kite
tbf thats what you get for not having actual servers and making your multiplayer work like Skyrim Together
misty plover
TF2 still has better anticheat than a certain AAA crime-based FPS that brings in...
?
potent wolf
My biggest issue though is nix (language) was basically entirely undocumented an...
is the documentation for the other stuff any better now?
fleet kite
GTA lmao
potent wolf
when i started out it was basically nonexistant
unborn pecan
Fardstar
misty plover
Your client will tattle on itself as will other clients
kind falcon
i've had issues with kde breaking
we HATE kde
kind falcon
Rockstar just does sigscans from what I recall
they started to sigscan only last year brah
☹️
misty plover
Rockstar just does sigscans from what I recall
But this is the main thing it does, though I guess I shouldn't say sigscans, cause it's not like that its more like signature checking files
Mind you my last experience reversing the anticheat's behavior was 2017
kind falcon
whart!
misty plover
Mind you my last experience reversing the anticheat's behavior was 2017
And the only reason I know about the client tattle tailing was because I basically went through the leaked source that came out and it's all documented in there lol
The game literally just has random report calls for events in some of the classes, and just expects the client to be trustworthy
fleet kite
I found a reliable way to cheat in GTA5 that doesnt involve installing cheats
kind falcon
nvm it was something to do with NTQVM
misty plover
The game literally just has random report calls for events in some of the classe...
Sometimes it can be reported by other clients, but it's primarily the cheater itself that reports
fleet kite
Step 1: Create an account with a password thats in a database
Step 2: wait a day
Step 3: reclaim your account from rockstar
its CRAZY that they can change your email address without a confirmation
absolutely nuts
misty plover
Step 1: Create an account with a password thats in a database
Step 2: wait a day...
?
fleet kite
happened to my gf lmao. She used a known email/pass combination (she didnt use brain) and her account got stolen within a day
because rockstar doesnt send a confirmation email for that stuff
but you can say "ah no that wasnt me" afterwards and get it back
misty plover
whart!
Yeah I lost interest around that time because online mode was just and awful grindfest and the only way to even have fun was to cheat which I didn't want to do
burnt dragon
profit
fleet kite
wheres the cheating part
There was 40mil in her GTA Online account afterwards 
burnt dragon
my aunts and her friends also cheat in gta
kind falcon
There was 40mil in her GTA Online account afterwards <:themadman:798179718981353...
you can buy 2 cars with that money
kind falcon
my aunts and her friends also cheat in gta
howd that came to be bruh
burnt dragon
howd that came to be bruh
shes a Gamer
fleet kite
I dont get the business model though. Did someone steal it and then sell it? Do they first do a bunch of cheats and then sell it?
burnt dragon
I dont get the business model though. Did someone steal it and then sell it? Do ...
cheats can give you money I believe
fleet kite
But nuts that a huge company like rockstarr does accounts that way. Other accounts you need to send them a copy of your birth certificate in order to change your username
kind falcon
I dont get the business model though. Did someone steal it and then sell it? Do ...
they just sold it and whoever bought it likely cheated the money in
unborn pecan
I hate Gamers
kind falcon
said the gamer
misty plover
I should get into dota
fleet kite
they just sold it and whoever bought it likely cheated the money in
Fast. It literally was like less than 24 hours, crazy stuff.
burnt dragon
Gamers suck
burnt dragon
I should get into dota
I should do hard drugs!
kind falcon
play starcraft 2 vro
fleet kite
just play baldur's gate again
kind falcon
@misty plover thoughts?
potent wolf
My reaction to macos being dropped
"dropped"
it was already dropped a while ago for tf2
the depots are broken
unborn pecan
My reaction to tf2 fans shitting their pants about it....
burnt dragon
schizo voices are back
valve will see youtubers that they care SO MUCH about getting bullied, be sad and then its the pixar movie ending
botters will fall off a cliff or something
rare creek
tada
green tulip
uh is listing XP still valid? because aren't the newer binaries compiled with newer compilers that generate binaries only compatible with Vista and later?
I feel like a lot of people forget newer versions of MSVC generate binaries that only work with Vista and later
rare creek
steam doesnt support xp anyways it should say windows 10
spare hedge
I don't even think listing Windows 7 is valid, Steam dropped support for it too.
languid haven
Wait they're serious?
I know apple didn't strip symbols but i didn't know it was that bad
Even though a 2016 leak if they changed enough then maybe they wouldn't be able to but i still doubt.
languid haven
I don't even think listing Windows 7 is valid, Steam dropped support for it too.
Dropped support doesn't mean it won't work on it, they just aren't doing anymore fixes toward it.
spare hedge
Dropped support doesn't mean it won't work on it, they just aren't doing anymore...
I know. I just find it weird that the TF2 store page still has Windows 7 in it's recommended system requirements, when Steam doesn't even support it.
green tulip
it's system requirements for the game not Steam
making it say Windows 10 is the minimum supported OS is just false information
although for recommended eh I could see that being either one just depends on what the interpretation of "recommended" exactly is in this context
kind falcon
you cant run tf2 without steam
you can
rare creek
tyou need -steam or the game will instantly crash and even if you ran it without steam then... why? you cant play the game if you did that
burnt dragon
half the commenters here have cathook forked, hmmmm
burnt dragon
steam is required for tf2
you can run it with TOTALLY LEGAL STUDYING PURPOSES the nickname can be aet whatever you want but you cant connect servers that use steam middleman(which are all of them)
kind falcon
half the commenters here have cathook forked, hmmmm
2018
burnt dragon
true
grim parcel
I know apple didn't strip symbols but i didn't know it was that bad
this isn’t apple. we’re talking about tf2 binaries
eternal haven
If this is true, they've been broken for ages
The oldest manifest on steamdb is from 2013, even that has them
potent wolf
yeah they've been broken for a long time
i wouldn't be surprised if they haven't been touched since the original mac port work
eternal haven
I wonder if there's a way to get manifest ids before steamdb started tracking them
potent wolf
i think i've seen a spreadsheet of some old builds
but as usual i can't remember where i saw it
no idea if this is actually useful
eternal haven
Ah okay so there just were no 'manifests' pre steampipe
They do have an archived version of what's apparently the mac update, I'll download it and see if it contains the mac client
eternal haven
Well it does
And even that has symbols
So the first and last ever mac versions both have symbols, as well as a couple random versions from the middle
So I'm not sure that they ever stripped them
summer steeple
I don't think they ever did
slender nexus
Hey buddy cool mutual
hi buddy cool mutual :3
grim parcel
same
unborn pecan
hi buddy cool mutual :3
I love their Instagram account
slender nexus
I love their Instagram account
can u link it or drop the @ because I admittedly didn't know this cat had a page 😭
or are you talking about Dougie
unborn pecan
can u link it or drop the @ because I admittedly didn't know this cat had a page...
the cat
I need to find it
but
I NOW HAVE NITRO (for two weeks thanks for a friend)
real emojis...
potent wolf
I NOW HAVE NITRO (for two weeks thanks for a friend)
you can now use the other 
in this server
west pilot
@left sand is comfig 10 the scalu update
left sand
no
west pilot
I realized I asked before but I forgot the answer
left sand
you asked about it here
west pilot
no
I recall now your answer was “no, but it’s providing the basis for it”
Yeah that
I’m excited about the scalu update itself because then I can write my own scalu to customize even further
kind falcon
nooo
eternal haven
That makes zero sense
The mac version is the old game, prior to the update
And I don't think it runs on current macs even
Why would they remove mac and add it back
wild grove
they added it back just to fuck with people
eternal haven
I mean they wouldn't need to remove and readd mac from the steam supported platforms list to do that
rare creek
valve should add pl_bloodwater to the summer map pool
wild grove
pl_bloodwater was basically if someone tried to imitate ICS's halloween maps.
misty plover
Surely they will
So many things to go wrong because you need a lot of translation layers and using xcode at any point of my day makes me want to saw off my leg with a scalpel.
potent wolf
lot of translation layers?
misty plover
Yeah?
Rosetta 2, some way to get directx to metal (tons of ways to do it, however, dxvk doesn't support macos iirc so no moltenvk, so you'd have to unretire togl (awful)), and a irl translator to figure out what your deranged babbling means after the trauma of working with xcode 
And also a lot of alcohol for the headache after you finally get it working
Porting games to macos is already painful, but tf2 will be even more so
Its not impossible but its going to be a pain in the ass with debugging hell
kind falcon
And also a lot of alcohol for the headache after you finally get it working
have they tried to feed developers meds instead of alcohol
you will eat the pills and youll be happy
misty plover
And also a lot of alcohol for the headache after you finally get it working
(note I am heavily biased against macos)
broken haven
dude i went 40:3 on sniper its not a hard class LMFAOO
kind falcon
dude i went 40:3 on sniper its not a hard class LMFAOO
ure playing a casual game bro... at least die a little
summer steeple
“manual bans will fix everything in tf2!”
hidden gyro
Why can't tf2 mod websites use the same feature the mastercomfig website uses for the installer
Skill issue imo
hidden gyro
i got banned on tf2c????
They got tilted by "killtf2"
I mean it's not an invalid opinion but it's not an opinion some want to hear
broken haven
i have a bind that says ( -_•)▄︻デ══━一 #NOOBDOWN! when i hit a nutty shot on sniper
hidden gyro
LMAO
broken haven
but if ur like mad that someone has this and theyre owning on sniper i think ur a loser
summer steeple
also why is their reasoning “hacking/general toxicity”
is that a preset reason
or did they put that in lol
broken haven
that admin salty af that i went 40:3 with 6 doms on sniper
summer steeple
and i guess your bind was toxic
broken haven
noobdown
summer steeple
i’m just like trying to think
the reasoning has to be something they input
because if it’s preset that’s like not helpful at all
broken haven
i requested an appeal see if they care
broken haven
apparently vf4 mods are dogshit too
they banned someone named Jay Z because the mod insisted the Z was zionest
next nymph
isnt Z supposed to be support of the Russian military anyway
kind falcon
isnt Z supposed to be support of the Russian military anyway
yes. z
next nymph
sleepy mfers showing their political ideologies like "zzzzzzzzzzz"
broken haven
the mod who banned me reacted with this???
summer steeple
i can't even tell what that is
broken haven
"its a trap!" is what it says when i hover
summer steeple
what does that even MEAN
orchid sorrel
is it that boomer star wars meme from like 2006
next nymph
disrespecting my man Admiral Ackbar smh that's a decorated hero
zealous pond
I liked when he was sucked into the vacuum of space.
wild grove
the pfp matches with what you just said
burnt dragon
"its a trap!" is what it says when i hover
try to apply maybe
tough locust
pl_bloodwater was basically if someone tried to imitate ICS's halloween maps.
ICS does them 10000000 times better f the haters I love the ICS payload maps
how does blood water run so bad anyway I have a 1080 and a 3600 and it barely scrapes 40 fps when everything starts going down
wild grove
ICS does them 10000000 times better f the haters I love the ICS payload maps
Actually yeah, some of the maps are great fun, you can do a playstyle that's just using spells lol.
wild grove
how does blood water run so bad anyway I have a 1080 and a 3600 and it barely sc...
I think it might have to deal with the post processing
like why is it so dark in the map?
summer steeple
post processing is super cheap
a ton of maps have color correction like that
in fact most of the halloween maps have color correction to darken them
iirc bloodwater was originally made using an older decompile of badwater that was missing like... all of the optimization stuff that valve added
I thuoght they fixed that though
in general though halloween maps will run worse because of all the particles and shit
misty plover
in fact most of the halloween maps have color correction to darken them
I run with color correction off because it's technically possible for mappers to make an absolute nightmare with it
summer steeple
understandable
I still run LDR because of how blown out the early desert maps are
eternal haven
Personally I absolutely hate the blown out look of the bloom in tf2
For me it just removes information and looks ugly
summer steeple
Personally I absolutely hate the blown out look of the bloom in Source engine
HL2 Lost Coast is like
blinding skybox
radiant merlin
also bloodwater is dark as fuck for no reason
due to the color correction
can't see shit in bloodwater
me when i dont read 10 million messages that come after the first messag
slender nexus
i got banned on tf2c????
lol I think they went nuclear over the '#killtf2' in ur name
slender nexus
that admin salty af that i went 40:3 with 6 doms on sniper
oop 😭
misty plover
Found my some bots for the first time in quite a while. A new breed that literally just slot wastes and never spawns in
I think they also party stack or it was pure coincidence three popped in at once
eternal haven
I wish you could still get info about which players are connected to valve servers
I would like to track which bots play on which servers at which time
unfortunately since SDR I don't think that's possible anymore
wild grove
Found my some bots for the first time in quite a while. A new breed that literal...
casual is gonna become comp lite lol
livid oracle
how did venice get added to tf2 lol
it feels like not a tf2 map at all
slender nexus
csgo lookin ahh
the interiors of the buildings in that map made me feel like I was in a beginners gmod house
rare creek
also bloodwater is dark as fuck for no reason
open eyes
spare obsidian
is that bad?
jagged pawn
I mean kinda
it doesn't really fit the game because neither of the creators had much experience with tf2 so they don't know how to make a map that accounts for all the classes
it's just a bit of a mess
jagged pawn
ICS does them 10000000 times better f the haters I love the ICS payload maps
ehhhhhhhhh depends on the map. hellstone and brimstone are pretty bad, and I have mixed thoughts on terror/chilly. the other three are really good tho
I can appreciate that ICS, seeing where things were going and having the opportunity to just cash in and churn out garbage maps, instead decided to actually go in the opposite direction and improve their output quality pretty dramatically over time
summer steeple
the story of venice, to my knowledge is
2 talented csgo mappers (I do mean talented btw, 2-3 of their maps were added at least at one point), one of which (the lead level designer) having either never played tf2 or only played a few hours), and the other (more of an artist) did play tf2 and actually already had a map in tf2 (pl_precipice_event) decided to make a map for the tf2 summer update
The map was unfortunately rushed out to meet the deadline, being made in only like 3 or 4 months iirc, the last version they had tested was the version that made it into the game a few months later, with no changes (even though there were still some pretty egregious things)
SPECULATION: If I had to guess, a combination of the horrendous response from tf2 community and tf2 mapping community (with some of the latter being bitter than a clearly unfinished and unpolished map got added), alongside CS2's impending release probably demotivated them from updating it very much past the last couple of updates.
On one hand I kind of respect the devs simply for managing to get even something playable in that time, from a level designer who had never played tf2, but on the other sometimes they're kind of a dick regarding most feedback
one of them seemingly has something setup to automatically ping them whenever someone even mentions venice on the tf2maps discord, and then either complains about people complaining about it, or says some snarky bullshit when no one was actually complaining about it
It is possible that there is another update in the works, the last comment they made saying they fixed something was in september, but the last workshop and ingame update was in august, and valve seems to be holding onto various updates until the summer update so who knows
jagged pawn
one of them seemingly has something setup to automatically ping them whenever so...
oh yeah he's a total loser lol. he was in the tyler mcvicker discord 24/7 when the update dropped bragging about all the money he would get from map stamps just for churning out a quick map, it was so lame and tacky
spare obsidian
lol
summer steeple
never forget, I gave feedback talking about how the fact you could shoot through the chicken wire was very un-tf2 before the summer update, and they only fixed it over a month after the summer update
jagged pawn
holy cope
summer steeple
I'm really not entirely sure why they just didn't update the map between their last test in may and the summer update in july
but they didn't
also venice went from A7 to RC1 in 2 days
so you know
pretty big jump to say "the map design is basically final"
I have to assume something came up between may and july that stopped them from updating it, cause idk why they'd even bother testing RC3 if it was going to be the version that got into tf2
I think i remember one of the devs said he was getting married at that time
jagged pawn
it's because once your map gets in you can stop trying if you don't care about the quality
summer steeple
true...
I feel like at some point they must've deleted some of the comments on the venice workshop page, I remember the devs being way meaner
could be misremembering
mystic turtle
holy cope
tbf it is better than having a stroke over the movement
so what if fixtf2 does nothing? we just move to community servers, which are so full anyway that bot hosters will find that they're... wasting money.
spare obsidian
tbf it is better than having a stroke over the movement
so what if fixtf2 does n...
the thing is people don't want to do it because a 2007 server browsers is too scary for them lol
wild grove
It's so funny hearing they test maps because how did they think venice, bread space, frostwatch, and wutville was in a releasable state.
I guess VALVe finds something fun in em (and have NASA super computers to run wutville lol)
mystic turtle
the thing is people don't want to do it because a 2007 server browsers is too sc...
I know right, I talked to some TF2 fans in another server and the fear of the server browser is real
cursive peak
I don't even know what to change about the server browser. It's fine.
mystic turtle
I don't even know what to change about the server browser. It's fine.
no offense, but you're fine with it bc you're used to it
I'm doing the thinking for the people that refuse to think and refuse to learn the server browser
All I can suggest with 100% certainty: increase the text size. Server text is quite hard to read.
Another idea would be... perhaps set it up as a sort of "search with filters" format?
with the original filters still in place so people more used to those can use them
then again that's super-complicated to make, perhaps I should shut up about it and leave the balancing/fixing to the people that can actually change it
mystic turtle
then perhaps some of us, maybe even me, could make a guide on how to use the server browser and pass it around
because what with a lot of UIs getting dumbed down these days and people being used to having the game pick the server for them, the server browser comes off as this really hard-to-grasp interface
especially if people are used to eyecandy UIs that are mindnumbingly simple (e.g. mobile app UIs)
idk lol
grim parcel
server browser sucks because i don’t want to think. i want to hit play and get into a game on a quality server
cursive peak
What's hard to grasp about it? It's all labeled. Just read it.
rare creek
the server list is easy
and even if that's too hard for you you could got to uncletopia's or skial's websites
and if that's too hard for you then you could use the community quickplay programs
and if that's too hard for you then idk
spare obsidian
i don't think we need to make 90+ apps just to join a random ass server
rare creek
the server list is perfect except the font is too sma
spare obsidian
does the simplified view works good enough??
soft lynx
The server browser is fine for old players, but an outdated, unintuitive and "not worth the effort" kind of deal for new players
especially players new to PC gaming as a whole
mystic turtle
this exactly
I've even found reminding players to use fn+f1 when votekicking sometimes increases votekick count
that should give an idea about how inexperienced some are with computers in general, as a rather extreme case
rare creek
maybe they're just stupid?
mystic turtle
does the simplified view works good enough??
it is, sorta, but it's not on by default
instead it's hidden behind a tiny switch that you barely can see
heck it might even get tricked by ping spoofing servers
rare creek
server list haters when i show them a book (it has too much text so scary)
spare obsidian
you literally linked a no one program
rare creek
i dont use it
unborn pecan
the server list is perfect except the font is too sma
the font looks nicer on linux
I think linux has a superior font rendering system on tf2 than windows
or different somehow
we get emojis in game
rare creek
it does
it's better in literally every way but valve is too lazy to make it work on windows
unborn pecan
does anyone have like
any info on the actual differences between windows and linux tf2 font rendering?
rare creek
windows font renderer cant render anything over 128px tall (it corrupts OS memory or smth)
linux renders fonts larger
linux doesnt support turning off anti aliasing for fonts (probably for the best)
linux supports emojis and probably colors n shit
eternal haven
the server list is perfect except the font is too sma
I don't see why you wouldn't be able to change it
somewhere in the hud files I'm sure you can
rare creek
i have but it cuts some stuff off since for some reason some parts of the server browser are completely hardcoded and also dont work with scaling
eternal haven
rip
eternal haven
the font looks nicer on linux
Nah on linux it is ugly
forced antialiasing (I think), weird alignment, just looks bad
on windows it's pixel perfect exactly how you want it
rare creek
anti aliasing literally looks better you are delusional\
eternal haven
it depends on the font
some fonts are meant to be antialiased, some aren't
also the look isn't necessarily better, that's subjective
rare creek
it objectively looks better
eternal haven
some people prefer to see the pixels rather than blurry smeariness, some people prefer the smooth edges at the expense of blurriness
it's subjective
grim parcel
What's hard to grasp about it? It's all labeled. Just read it.
i just don’t care to read it, simple
grim parcel
https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1dec7gc/i_created_a_casualquickplay_replac...
yes i’m sure the two day old project will fix these issues
unborn pecan
forced antialiasing (I think), weird alignment, just looks bad
I disagree
I think it looks better
wild grove
server browser sucks because i don’t want to think. i want to hit play and get i...
"Quality server" you're fucking joking right? No way you seriously think the way the casual servers are rn are ""quality""
grim parcel
when there’s no bots it’s pretty great
wild grove
Fair but how much % of the time is that really?
grim parcel
idk i just switched to community servers
like i understand now they aren’t “quality”
i’m not arguing against that
i will play on a lower quality server like skial to avoid bots
it just sucks that i have to do that
(not to say all community servers are low quality, but hey sometimes uncletopia is full and i don’t want to wait forever in a queue)
wild grove
yes i’m sure the two day old project will fix these issues
I got the dev to think about a web version, maybe a lil too much actually, seems really hell bent on it.
rare creek
casual servers are still worse than community servers even without bots
there's plenty of good community servers but sadly very few of them have players
i joined 1 of these servers for like 2 hours and not a single other player joined
game is actually dead bruh
tough locust
idk casual not letting you play against your friends unless they get autobalanced is annoying asf, favorite part of community servers is targeting my friends and dueling
summer steeple
don't worry! that feature is coming soon!
its been coming soon since MyM released!
rare creek
no sprays no alltalk no !nominate no moderators no custom maps no adhoc etc etc
grim parcel
they always have a game available and people playing on a variety of game modes and maps with a vanilla rule set, and no real need to worry about poor server performance or other dumb shit like ads
summer steeple
non-issue, non-issue, non-issue, issue, minor issue, and non-issue got it
tough locust
don't worry! that feature is coming soon!
the fact that they still have the option in the matchmaking settings but greyed out makes me want to pee blood
grim parcel
i think there’s a reason new community servers are marketing themselves as a “casual replacement”. it’s an appealing format
idk why anyone tries to pretend it’s not
rare creek
random crits, random weapon spread, grr
tough locust
the only part of casual i like is how easy it is to get into a server. I hate the voting time after every 2 matches, there's barely any options, you have to requeue and hope you dont get bots, you can't just stick to 1 server you have to constatly keep requeuing even when a game is going good. If u have a fun time with the people on the server, they're gone in 20 minutes to never be seen again
hidden gyro
https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1dec7gc/i_created_a_casualquickplay_replac...
EW
summer steeple
be the change you wish to see in the world
hidden gyro
What's with the dippin dots on the title bar
summer steeple
a surprising amount of people do stick around after a match ends
grim parcel
i do
grim parcel
$30/8th is killing me
rare creek
random crits are horrible and have 0 reason to be in the game
tough locust
a surprising amount of people do stick around after a match ends
the entire minute of waiting kills all the momentum of sticking around, especially if it's 3 meh maps. i don't want to keep playing the same gamemode over and over and over and over again (unless it's payload)
summer steeple
I guess
spare obsidian
random crits are horrible and have 0 reason to be in the game
here's you karma sir
summer steeple
also one of the maps is guaranteed a diff gamemode
hidden gyro
random crits are horrible and have 0 reason to be in the game
Random crits are balanced and fit TF2s comedic asthetic
grim parcel
any anger i have towards random crits is immediately removed when i get a humorously timed one and just have to sit there and laugh for a good few seconds
hidden gyro
POW! YOU ARE DEAD
tough locust
also one of the maps is guaranteed a diff gamemode
?? it's always the same category
hidden gyro
Not big surprise
summer steeple
its supposed to be 1 from a random category
if its not thats a bug lol
i'm about 90% sure
rare creek
also one of the maps is guaranteed a diff gamemode
nah it's all the same
tough locust
probably i haven't seen anything outside of the tiny bubble ever, if you queue into 5cp you're going to exclusively get stuff from the snakewater/metalworks/sunshine map pool and there's no escaping that so you have to requeue after a few matches. It was probably like that before jungle inferno or blue moon but idk it's been so long i dont remember
summer steeple
iirc some servers complain if you don't and like make the game unplayable
rare creek
then just dont play on them???
tf2 has
a server blacklist feature
i have literally hundreds of servers in there
tough locust
iirc some servers complain if you don't and like make the game unplayable
yeah its cancer
tough locust
a server blacklist feature
Steam resets my favorites and blacklist randomly every 5 months or so
makes it essentially useless
summer steeple
didn't you say that you played on a server for 2 hours and no one joined
your options are very limited
especially with blacklists
and even the actually ok servers tend to have issues like bad server performance
uncletopia server performance is so bad lol
has no one here played on UT with net_graph on lol
its so inconsistent
rare creek
i think your internet is just bad
summer steeple
thats not how that works when the sv value drops
ok so i was wrong regarding the map vote though
it used to be completely random
but now its same gamemode and 1 option is extend map
mystic turtle
For me, UT is basically the best community option round here
the only other vanilla-esque experience is Skial 24/7fort at 200 ping
I play on 4G tower internet most of the time
summer steeple
its not bad but its worse than casual
mystic turtle
true, especially when bots are somehow less troublesome around here
UT is a hundred ping, casual 65-100
eternal haven
uncletopia server performance is so bad lol
It got a lot better
It used to be really awful at first
summer steeple
thats good
rare creek
it's literally more than 66 for me
eternal haven
Yeah usually it seems to be running fine when I play now
summer steeple
it used to drop all the time
eternal haven
A couple years ago it was constantly dropping to 40 updaterate with like 15ms variance
rare creek
grim parcel
For me, UT is basically the best community option round here
the only other vani...
yeah ut is the only community server i've actually wanted to regularly come back to
summer steeple
i don't even hate counterstrike
its just a completely different game from tf2 and level design doesn't really transfer over from CS to TF2
ok i hate playing counterstrike
but i don't think its a bad game
burnt dragon
its just a completely different game from tf2 and level design doesn't really tr...
the cart floats on water
I dont think more needs to be said lol
the textures are stretched incorrectly so explosion marks go wonky in water part
there was LITERAL GAPS inside rooms that you could see outside of the map
so many tiny shitty colidors that limit the movement
venice is an awful awful map
wild grove
Clearly venice was fun to valve during playtest for em to add it lol
If the whole thing eric smith said was true, I don't think they did that before 2022 tho.
jagged pawn
I genuinely don't believe that they playtest all of them. I know that's pretty lame of me to not give them the benefit of the doubt but like, even assuming it's only post-wutville, there are plenty of maps that are just complete garbage that only got added because the mappers have prior relationships with valve so they just assumed it would be good
like you're telling me valve liked frostwatch? venice? they didn't notice that the bonesaw win condition wasn't even activated on the map? I don't believe them
bonesaw got added because diva dan has 11 other maps in the game that work correctly so they just assumed it would work too. frostwatch got added because it was the #1 most liked map on workshop at the time so they said that must mean it's good. venice got added because of the existing cs relationship. I cannot convince myself that they were added because of playtesting
(also to be clear bonesaw is a very good map it just literally didn't work on release)
wild grove
what map doesn't work on release lol, for some reason VALVe's map compiler is cursed with the errors of 1000 suns, and ends up breaking things, even if they weren't in the release candidate.
left sand
let me clarify a few things about maps:
- there's a rumor was a couple of seasons where a certain someone was selecting maps based on the workshop page only, so if you have issues with a certain set of maps from seasons from a year around 2 to 3 years ago, disregard that as a fluke
- all other years, from the beginning of tf2 to now, valve has done playtests
- valve recompiles maps on their end. there can be bugs that get introduced from that. there's also some weird valve server/matchmaking interactions that happen sometimes.
- consider that many people at valve at this point may have a nostalgic view of tf2 as "oh that game that was cool and good once" and they're just looking for interesting content for the game, rather than stuff that is perfectly balanced, especially for seasonal content which is only activated during the holidays
jagged pawn
why would they not then playtest their recompiled version (genuine question in case I'm missing something)
also I do agree that frostwatch was probably a fluke but it still pisses me off
left sand
sometimes changes are made on their end that they don't playtest
jagged pawn
I'm totally fine with them valuing fun over perfect balance, and I also understand that everyone has a different idea of fun. plenty of people hated vsh and zi but I thought they were some of the best things added to the game in years
what I don't get is why they added a map that so clearly has nothing to do with tf2. like whether visually or in map design or just the rules of how certain surfaces work it's so obviously not a tf2 map
it also wasn't finished and I don't get how valve didn't catch that
small sirenBOT
jagged pawn
it was only named _rc because the mappers wanted money. it was not actually ready to be added to the game, and I expect playtesting to make that clear, but it somehow slipped through
wild grove
I'm totally fine with them valuing fun over perfect balance, and I also understa...
people actually hated those two? I thought they hated really crazy vscript stuff like prophunt and open fortress related stuff.
jagged pawn
people actually hated those two? I thought they hated really crazy vscript stuff...
the vscript hate built over time. I would say for vsh it was a vocal minority, but zombie infection was pretty controversial. I like to think I run in pretty positive circles in regards to new content but even there it was getting a decent amount of hate. in the more doomer circles it was demonized as "not tf2" which is what led to people getting so riled up over prop hunt being on workshop, they felt like they had to stop ZI 2 from happening
I think it's fire tho
wild grove
damn and Zi was the only time VALVe added new objectives to the contracker lol
jagged pawn
right
wild grove
If I remember correct, VALVe has to recompile the map themselves before it can be added to the game for whatever oddball reason.
livid oracle
let me clarify a few things about maps:
* there's a rumor was a couple of seaso...
wtf is #3 true
kind falcon
jagged pawn
LOL
wild grove
wtf is #3 true
did you not see what happened with VSH on release, that gamemode was unplayable on casual for a while.
jagged pawn
I mean that wasn't a recompile thing
that was a "casual was incompatible with how vsh was supposed to work" thing, I'm sure it worked fine on local servers
wild grove
it's the other thing with wierd matchmaking interactions.
jagged pawn
ye
while making pyro, valve boldly asked the question "what if a class was good at absolutely nothing and yet still better than spy"
wild grove
From what I see from mappers who get maps in, #3 is true, for some reason VALVe HAS to recompile the map on their end, which means issues arise with the compiler they use.
kind falcon
while making pyro, valve boldly asked the question "what if a class was good at ...
❓
jagged pawn
meeee
livid oracle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/875974222793539605/994103577113014332/b...
this is not true
mystic turtle
If I remember correct, VALVe has to recompile the map themselves before it can b...
It might be due to in-house procedures; I recall someone here mentioned that Valve likes to recompile the original source files when making changes to textures and things like that to prevent regressions; so even if it's a new map which wouldn't suffer from regressions, it would make sense for the sake of consistency in procedure
grim parcel
did you not see what happened with VSH on release, that gamemode was unplayable ...
wdym it was peak
i was in a game for like half a day
kind falcon
wild grove
wdym it was peak
No, I mean you couldn't play the gamemode on casual.
jagged pawn
no you're being called wagoogus jr I think
mystic turtle
anyways, in all honesty, yeah, pyro's kinda ass
they serve as a support niche and not much else
maybe if they had better damage off of flames but people complained about that when JI dropped from what I heard
(and I mean, they technically have the best health-to-speed ratio in regards to grounded movement, so that's another thing)
mystic turtle
good, fellow fedora wearer
apologies, was typing that microessay up there
jagged pawn
no one cared who I was...
grim parcel
i was in a game for like half a day
#1072696252162117752 message
idk how anyone was mad about that update
mystic turtle
mask also based
like, in all seriousness, I like the contrast
old-fashioned looks, futuristic mask
[apologies, forgot to drop it here, too]
eternal haven
wtf is #3 true
Wouldn't be surprised
summer steeple
yes its true
100% true
for some reason for CSGO they allowed mappers to send in BSP but in tf2 they recompile it on their end
limpid panther
let me clarify a few things about maps:
* there's a rumor was a couple of seaso...
@summer steeple did you know about #3?
oh, nvm, ur here already
proper tangle
I wanted to say, got my pc back working again since february
finally got to test drive the new update
first time I saw the fps over 200 outside of the main menu
rare creek
why does valve compile maps on their end do they not know there's already a compiled build on the workshop download? are they stupid?
high current
I assume for the same reason they request that "fixed" weapon models should contain instructions on how to fix it, rather than a compiled fix. They prefer to have full control over the version that gets distributed to make sure its baked with their "formula."
It's extra work and I assume it would be easier to just give people guidelines on settings to use and double check them before accepting. But then again, I manually copy pull requests to my huds so I have full control over the code, so I can't really critisize them...
limpid panther
first time I saw the fps over 200 outside of the main menu
boa mlk
proper tangle
a unica adversidade é o clima em fortaleza
literalmente acabei de comprar uma pasta termica nova, se abrir qualquer jogo que peça cpu a 5600 fica acima dos 80
e não segura o boost acima de 4ghz por muito tempo
A meta é ficar rico e comprar ar condicionado
limpid panther
pow mano... vê se não é a case
5600 nem tem TDP tão alto assim...
não era pra esquenter tanto
spare obsidian
https://youtu.be/VMG2XCGNQds someone finally says it: quickplay sucks
eternal haven
Good video
left sand
why is the summer update taking so long 🤔
summer steeple
it was july last year i thought
radiant merlin
clearly valve hq is now in the south pole and they are waiting for december 21th
grim parcel
why is the summer update taking so long 🤔
heavy update
rare creek
why is the summer update taking so long 🤔
tf2 discontinued
tough locust
it was july last year i thought
then again apparently it got delayed by ~2 weeks because of a super niche weird floating point issue on cp_hardwood that required moving exactly 1 detail brush by a millimeter to fix
UEAKCrash madea vid abt it last year
i mean it's not even summer yet so i dont expect anything until early july
rare creek
i mean why does valve have to compile it themselves they dont have no fuckin source engine level designers at that company anymore
eternal haven
Probably mostly for optimization reasons
Maybe slightly for security reasons
Also I'm sure they like to have the ability to push an update to a map whenever they feel like it rather than going through the creator
eternal haven
No summer update would be funny
Community gets annoying, valve responds by just ignoring completely
rare creek
that's probably what they are going to do
why bother doing anything when the community is never going to be happy
misty plover
It'll probably arrive at some point but it's probably gonna be fairly late into summer
rare creek
genuinely is there a single reason for valve to do another summer update
crisp cedar
the same reason as doing another smissmas and scream fortress
its literally a holiday now
tough locust
genuinely is there a single reason for valve to do another summer update
moar maps
misty plover
More cases -> more money
rare creek
fixtf2 freaks arent even going to buy keys
misty plover
Doubt
zealous pond
genuinely is there a single reason for valve to do another summer update
No. They should have stopped putting anything out after Blue Moon.
The holiday updates are a waste of time.
rare creek
ohok
misty plover
The fixtf2 movement lacks self control immensely and I have zero faith in them resisting to buy stuff
crisp cedar
The holiday updates are a waste of time.
putting these out arent much of a time investment
zealous pond
If it takes more than five minutes, it's a waste.
eternal haven
I wonder how many people are even buying tons of keys from valve anyways
Something tells me it's already been only a pretty small portion of the playerbase for a while now
misty plover
If it takes more than five minutes, it's a waste.
That is... definitely an opinion
zealous pond
It's maps for Casual and some hats. Boring content.
misty plover
Something tells me it's already been only a pretty small portion of the playerba...
It's a fairly decent size, well enough to pay for the game. You
A free bit of profit for minimal effort
misty plover
It's maps for Casual and some hats. Boring content.
Okay what do you want them to do then?
What do you want them to release in an update?
tough locust
strange dragon's fury and hot hand but thats just me
misty plover
Okay what do you want them to do then?
What do you want them to release in an u...
Not trying to be an ass but there's not really much more potential for content in the game
zealous pond
Weapons, balancing, etc.
misty plover
New weapons will basically never happen
zealous pond
That's not news.
misty plover
New weapons will basically never happen
There's not really anything to do in that regard in the first place
zealous pond
Sure there is.
misty plover
The games archetype is already set in stone, there's not really anything you can add aside from gimmick weapons
And even then, TF2 players will bitch and moan about it
zealous pond
A very myopic viewpoint. Nothing's set in stone beyond an unwillingness to do anything further. And if they whine, who cares? They whine already, nothing would change.
misty plover
A very myopic viewpoint. Nothing's set in stone beyond an unwillingness to do an...
It's really not, that's just the state of the game. The classes are extremely well defined, and players won't take kindly to any major changes, even if they're positive ones. See: Jungle Inferno's pyro changes
And even if you do mix things up and give the class a new way to play
zealous pond
Again, who cares?
misty plover
You'll likely end up stepping on other classes feet
zealous pond
Yeah their reputation when it comes to TF2 is fantastic. Definitely wouldn't want to see that plummet...
If bots and cheaters aren't killing the game, I have doubts a few weapons and rebalances will succeed where they failed.
orchid sorrel
why is the summer update taking so long 🤔
New mvm tour valve are doing internal playtests they invited me there will be australium objector as the new gold pan
misty plover
New mvm tour valve are doing internal playtests they invited me there will be au...
Double the spins double the wins
orchid sorrel
It will be 6 missions like the old tours
You can get unusuals instead of sustraliums
misty plover
(actually they're working on bounty mode 
)
orchid sorrel
Bounty mode contracts
wild grove
It's really not, that's just the state of the game. The classes are extremely we...
Crazy how no one mentioned that another major wouldn't meet VALVe's expectations either. There's a reason why VALVe only made one more update with big changes after Jungle Inferno. Clearly Jungle Inferno did not do well enough to justify more big patches while maps + paid content gets new peak playercounts.
mystic turtle
so essentially, the community dug their own hole... got it
(in all fairness many of JI's new weapons were ass except for the DF, but...)
spare obsidian
https://youtu.be/-1sh36mpvbg lolololo
orchid sorrel
me when i post stupid things online and people call it stupid
wild grove
You already got the answer from the first bit of the video, people who actively play tf2 should play other games (BIG SHOCK)
wild grove
https://youtu.be/-1sh36mpvbg lolololo
Bruh blaming TF2 on his bad social skills tho lol
uncut spear
ok but like
can we spray degeneracy everywhere we go with ease irl?
nah you could be arrested or it'll take too much time
actually you could just print out photos and glue them to walls
my bad
cursive peak
The problem is there aren't a whole lot of alternatives to TF2. Quake Champions never took off.
Quake Live has dwindled.
cursive peak
It still gets players.
uncut spear
like these are literally the games that TF2 basically took shit from and no one likes em 😭
oh wait fuck I pulled a TF2 fan
quake live is not dead
spare obsidian
the thing is and sadly: arena shoters are kind of dead now days
cursive peak
uncut spear
need to sample the waveform of that
also TF2 players really should just play fighting games bro
even if it's not fps
it'll be just as fun
and the community for most fighting games are thriving
shoutout fightcade
spare obsidian
also the video is technically rigth too, this community only wants to heard wholesome facts and not the grim reality of the truth lol
summer steeple
when can the majority of the tf2 community move onto the the acceptance phase of grief
and start actually working to improve things themselves
instead of crying
uncut spear
I'm honestly glad I'm coming back to TF2 after so long cause I don't have a bad outlook
spare obsidian
and start actually working to improve things themselves
that could happen if the community didn't made the only people that keeps the game alive ran away
summer steeple
like damn if you want community servers to be better than casual, be the change you like to see
uncut spear
I stay on community servers and have fun man
cursive peak
I've only dipped into casual for contracts.
spare obsidian
people is too afraid to listen the truth
uncut spear
like I'm getting better at soldier and demoman and it's awesome
plus the customization shit goes hard now that I know how to dress my characters
spare obsidian
is so sad that almost all new workshop summisions needs to have comments off because people can't control themselves
uncut spear
fuck you reminded me I need to vote for workshop stuff
I need more skeleton/skull cosmetics
badly
wild grove
is so sad that almost all new workshop summisions needs to have comments off bec...
The only time that people redirected from the brick wall lol
started blaming creators instead.
spare obsidian
hate to say the word but that's literally true chud behavior
wild grove
brick wall = valve btw
small sirenBOT
spare obsidian
i think tf2 community would never get to the next stage of death lol
wild grove
Hey VALVe, want to see players peak? Add prop hunt LOL
cursive peak
Dodgeball
spare obsidian
i think it would became a speedrunning strat of singlehandedly pissing off the TF2 community in the lest amount of time
cursive peak
Dodgeball, SoapDM, Bball
wild grove
Add the open fortress stuff, gungame, ffa deathmatch
spare obsidian
add grass
uncut spear
ffa would be so fun man
uncut spear
add a story mode
wild grove
the community really do feel like this sometimes.
uncut spear
idk
spare obsidian
there's Fortress One which is basically a unnoficial continuation of that
summer steeple
the community really do feel like this sometimes.
this effing sucks actually
languid haven
Only issue with the quickplay is steam's fat ass taking so long to handle links.
Just trying to join a server by sending the command through steam to an already open game took like 3 mins. I know windows doesn't have that issue.
eternal haven
That does not sound normal
kind falcon
obviously a linux issue
languid haven
obviously a linux issue
yeaah
zealous pond
The argument that people that enjoy X should just start enjoying Y will never make sense. Like that's how tastes work lol
summer steeple
if you like TF2 you might enjoy: crack
glass pollen
Is there already a way to report servers on mastercoms quickplay
I was just send to a fast path EU server that had many obvious bots disguised as players
summer steeple
there's not a form or anything but if you can post in #tf2-quickplay with the server IP address and proof (i.e. scoreboard image, etc.) we can check it
glass pollen
Alrighty, thanks
tough locust
Add the open fortress stuff, gungame, ffa deathmatch
this but im 100 percent serious, yk what FUCK THE HATERS ADD PROPHUNT IDGAF
radiant merlin
my brain is so rot i can only enjoy 100 players now
high current
Do 100 crit servers disable random crits? If not those would be some phat random crits.
radiant merlin
no
high current
Dear god
I feel like 100 player Hightower would be the penultimate gaming experience.
That or cp_junction
radiant merlin
yes there is cp_junction
rare creek
"uncletopia is nothing but tryhards"
uncletopia:
high current
The skill level and try hardness is vastly overrated by YouTubers who have 300 hours in the game, still use default interp on soldier, and make weapon balance videos.
Which I realize is an ironically tryhard take. But like, half these dudes are soldier mains using default interp, at some point you gotta ask why everything hurts.
zealous pond
100-player Hightower sounds like Hell.
high current
But think about how funny it’d be
radiant merlin
There is 100 player snowtower
eternal haven
// reserved addresses are not routeable, so they can all be used in a LAN game
bool netadr_t::IsReservedAdr () const
{
if ( type == NA_LOOPBACK )
return true;
if ( type == NA_IP )
{
if ( (ip[0] == 10) || // 10.x.x.x is reserved
(ip[0] == 127) || // 127.x.x.x
(ip[0] == 172 && ip[1] >= 16 && ip[1] <= 31) || // 172.16.x.x - 172.31.x.x
(ip[0] == 192 && ip[1] >= 168) ) // 192.168.x.x
return true;
}
return false;
}```tf2 has wrong checks for sv_lan
192.169.0.0 - 192.255.255.255 are allowed to connect to sv_lan 1 servers even though they're publicly routeable
left sand
lol
rare creek
do you think valve has completely canceled tf2 development because of #fixtf2?
eternal haven
no
orchid sorrel
yup servers are shutting down tomorrow and all items are being deleted
rare creek
shit
cursive peak
Almost Highlander time.
broken haven
emojis
wild grove
You playing this on steam deck?
drowsy marlin
no
slender nexus
You playing this on steam deck?
ya
wild grove
wild
mystic turtle
congratulations on your golden gun
your soldier (or your wallet) is now kinda happy
kind falcon
100-player Hightower sounds like Hell.
should make it helltower then
to make it ever more hellish
kind falcon
ull be gambling forever now
slender nexus
ull be gambling forever now
pookie bear respond to my dm 🥺
slender nexus
your soldier (or your wallet) is now kinda happy
i actually kinda wanna sell it because I like my pro ks coffin nail launcher better
mystic turtle
oh hey, cool
rare creek
pookie bear respond to my dm 🥺
can i have your dm too
kind falcon
can i have your dm too
❓
rare creek
i love gambling
slender nexus
can i have your dm too
😘
burnt dragon
The skill level and try hardness is vastly overrated by YouTubers who have 300 h...
thats a good point, Im curious how does interp effect the gameplay
small sirenBOT
unborn pecan
Whenever it detects a message that can fit into an haiku pattern
it will quote it with haiku formatting
i like the farding
penis on the benis now
the dougy is swag
small sirenBOT
fleet kite
mans never visited google.com
unborn pecan
yes
slender nexus
small sirenBOT
teal sand
if u look through skial ban appeals like 80% of them are "why am i banned it says new steamid from banned ip" and the response is always "rotating ip address gave you ban, bad luck. unbanned"
unborn pecan
no
unborn pecan
if u look through skial ban appeals like 80% of them are "why am i banned it say...
ipv4 moment
teal sand
xd
rare creek
nerf demoknight
high current
Honestly I hate playing a demoknight. I get its a “meme loadout”, but the resistances they have give them crazy effective health pools, and the ability to charge immediately after getting a kill basically means that some 215 demoknight is just going to kill “FreddyFazbear2013” and then disappear to his resupply.
Also imo the crit window is just wayyyyyy to forgiving on demoknight, it’s basically just spy but can crit you from 360 degrees. So much so that I think if HL allowed you to replace spy with demoknight (in addition to a sticky demo), you’d absolutely see it on Koth. On payload spy is just cloak and dagger spectator.
TLDR: fun to play as, awful to play against. Not a fan of those balance states.
next nymph
tbf that's a pretty low bar. Pretty much any class or subclass could effectively replace spy where spy is bad
rare creek
stop being bad
i mean honestly the people i were killing were barely even trying
- you have to be pretty far to be in the crit range
++ I was using the tide turner so i could only get mini crits
if you literally just keep out of melee range he's easy to kill
demoknight would replace spy because spy is bad
he wouldn't replace any player in 6s match
high current
he wouldn't replace any player in 6s match
rare creek
WHO IS THIS STAR GUY
high current
i mean honestly the people i were killing were barely even trying
Yeh it’s the same as kunai spy. It’s not hard to counter, but I’m shooting a demoknight with like 4 rockets and then TimmyTurner2015 forgets what team they’re on and the demoknight gets the kill and runs away.
I’m just not a fan of the fact that you can shield bash>click>crit. The window of “1 second within the charge ending” is just wayyyy to forgiving imo.
And I know, I played against you in a pub on demoknight.
high current
tbf that's a pretty low bar. Pretty much any class or subclass could effectively...
That’s true. But I guess I’m just saying as a melee-centric instakill (sometimes) class, demoknight is straight up better than spy.
I don’t think demoknight is OP. He just feels shit to play against.
rare creek
i use the tide turner almost 100% of the time tho
fleet kite
Okay but what if I can't aim my charges
high current
You don’t have to, you’re swinging around a school bus pretty much.
And if you go eyelander, after you get 4 heads, you run faster than everyone else. So you just have to charge near them and then they can’t get away, and you have enough effective hp that you can just smack them for 65dmg 2-4 times with no consequence.
rare creek
Yeh it’s the same as kunai spy. It’s not hard to counter, but I’m shooting a dem...
every class does well against "timmyturner2015"
soldier can literally rocket jump away from every encounter does that make soldier op????
high current
Yeh but not everything gets a get out of jail free card for killing clueless people
Soldier has to trade at least 25% of his kill potential to escape though. Plus he also takes damage for that. Plus he only has 200hp unbuffed. I think demoknight resistance + 4 heads gives him something like 450 hp against soldiers and pyros.
Scouts you can just run away from because you go faster, or if you’re confident you just insta kill them. Heavies you just ignore because they mulch you
fleet kite
Me playing demoknight:
Stock f2p pyro with airblast:
high current
Again, I’m not saying demoknight is op. I’m saying it’s just unfun to play against. It’s literally the kunai for demo.
high current
he wouldn't replace any player in 6s match
Also I’m pretty sure a full time demoknight won the 2nd highest div in EU 6s last season.
So he literally replaced demoman and against very competent players.
languid haven
I kinda just hybridknight and beat people with a ham shank
Sure sword has more reach but i think stock melee should have faster deploy time.
high current
If you’re in a casual server then you probably have like 60% crit chance on the ham, so may as well
high current
Better than playing overwatch period.
Every healer in overwatch is the same level of “well I sure am glad I can’t play” as a vaccinator medic in TF2.
hidden gyro
languid haven
Every healer in overwatch is the same level of “well I sure am glad I can’t play...
i don't understand
heavy solarBOT
@velvet raft has leveled up! (13 ➜ 14)
spare obsidian
#18 day of nothing burger
eternal haven
i don't understand
He's saying every healer in overwatch is annoying to play against
high current
But that was what, 6 years ago?
high current
Yeh things change a lot in 8 years. My impression of overwatch every time I play is healing is too strong to the point where dealing damage feels pointless, but if your healers die you almost instantly die. Also health packs told just be removed from overwatch, the map designers clearly just don’t know how to place health packs.
next nymph
I don't think that's invalid. Overwatch is team-based first and a shooter second
grim parcel
tf2 players when there aren't two health packs directly next to the point
teal sand
Honestly I hate playing a demoknight. I get its a “meme loadout”, but the resist...
hit scan
(scout class)
high current
tf2 players when there aren't two health packs directly next to the point
They're just kind of in weird places. Some of them are literally in the center of point.
summer willow
brazilian moment
summer willow
@limpid panther vc ta caindo em servidores do chile? por algum motivo eu só to caindo em servidores do chile e eu n sei se é pq eu me mudei de estado de são paulo pra goiás mas tipo ???
high current
That’s also a map with 2 giant deadly saw blades next to the point
small sirenBOT
next nymph
anti-healthpacks, you mean
limpid panther
<@132103076269129728> vc ta caindo em servidores do chile? por algum motivo eu s...
é pq literalmente não tem nenhum server com gente no brazil
eu filtrei na lista de servidoes e literalmente tem 0 kkkk
dai ele preferiu esse chilendo ai q tem algumas pessoas
summer willow
parece ter, eu to falando do casual btw
small sirenBOT
limpid panther
parece ter, eu to falando do casual btw
ahhhh porra
desculpa, é pq eu to usando o quickplay ai da mcoms
tava pensando q era sobre isso
então: tem pouca gente no brazil, mas hoje mais cedo quando eu botei todos os mapas ele achou server brazileiro rapidinho
cursive peak
Could rent a server somewhere to host the bots.
next nymph
Bee Tee DouBle-U
mystic turtle
That's understandable
I have 1600 hours, needed to pull back after getting way too frustrated with a constant losing streak
I'm not interested in being a strange farm
as for why healthpacks on the point is important to some
No one plays Medic because it's boring, many (like me) pick Med out of obligation
And when there isn't a med, the med sucks (like me sometimes), or when the med is pocketing the 10000 hour soldier, people need the healthpacks
and too few people heard Uncle Dane's advice to put the dispenser in a place where the team can benefit from it
unborn pecan
Idk
grim parcel
what
rare creek
??
rare creek
valve still hasn't done anything about fixtf2
fleet kite
theyve done about as much to fix tf2 as #fixtf2
wild grove
valve still hasn't done anything about fixtf2 <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
it's the same deal as the last time the community did this movement if not worse in specific aspects.
unborn pecan
me in fart cry
mystic turtle
it's the same deal as the last time the community did this movement if not worse...
defo worse, I don't remember savetf2 involving the community being too brainrotted to use GitHub and still not pushing for any specific agenda beyond "fix Casual"
which is itself vague as bot hosters diversify their bots, something the clearly hyperintelligent TF2 community kept saying wouldn't happen
at least I understand why community servers are so dunked on, considering the server browser offers me only full Uncletopia and 300 ping Skial 2fort as vanilla options
lean cove
Every healer in overwatch is the same level of “well I sure am glad I can’t play...
vax is fun wdym
next nymph
valve still hasn't done anything about fixtf2 <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
wym they brought back quickplay
kind falcon
vax is fun wdym
vax is the most complex medigun out there. obviously its fun
pure tiger
nostalgia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AofF-Ydgf_k well it's a new look for me cuz i haven't played in 2007
lean cove
vax is the most complex medigun out there. obviously its fun
exactly
kind falcon
https://gamebanana.com/mods/451166 I love these
we love china 
rare creek
https://gamebanana.com/mods/451166 I love these
these also run very well
the last particle pack i used ated my fps
here only the teleporter particles reduice my fps for some reason
rare creek
https://gamebanana.com/mods/451166 I love these
too bad the airblast and double jump particle kinda looks like cum but whatever
rare creek
it might be joever...... quickplay made it so less people play community serve
orchid sorrel
yup.... its official./....,, quiockplay has killed fortress team double,,,
slender nexus
team fortress dos
misty plover
#teamdeadtress...
high current
Comrade Castle the Second
spare obsidian
slender nexus
Doomer Fortress 2
jagged pawn
delfy
spare obsidian
delfy
the one man that spread sploits to the public
mf
unborn pecan
Stinkly
mystic turtle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYfZFhBWaF4 bruh
tf2easy plug spotted
anyways, we should be the ones caring for the game
more people should use the comfig quickplay browser
slender nexus
tf2easy plug spotted
pluh,,, 🔌
high current
You should read old english text, shit goes WILD with some funny words
unborn pecan
https://tenor.com/view/funke-funkestudy-tf2-movement-shooters-ultrakill-gif-2605...
I love him
fleet kite
valve should just call the mother of each bothoster
limpid panther
glass musk
