Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year | mastercomfig | Page 63

livid oracle May 11, 2024, 9:32 PM

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theres big ass houses to the left and right

high current May 11, 2024, 9:32 PM

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demo can spam into there, soldiers can spam into there, its just a spam fest

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the whole map is just a spam fest

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is what ive been saying

livid oracle May 11, 2024, 9:33 PM

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ok so what map are we comparing it to

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viaduct?

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definitely no spamfest in viaduct

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especially not into the staging areas

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especially not from right on the point

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on bagel the demo and soldier has to expose themselves to spam

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so likr

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go attack them

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what tf2 map doesnt even involve spam

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like every other koth map is not any better at all

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the asymmetrical maps is literally the red team's objective is to spam throughout the entire timer

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the only maps with less spam than koth maps are 5cp maps and those still involve a fucking lot of spam

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literally just tf2

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im genuinely just confused wtf youre even complaining about lmao

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noo theyre throwing stickies into our stagign area

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no other map in the game encourages this

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theyre shooting rockets into our doorway nooo

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this is literally the only map where this happens

high current May 11, 2024, 9:44 PM

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The whole map is either a forward hold or a point fight. That’s not true on viaduct or clearcut

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Literally the same thing other people earlier praised it for “its constant action”

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It’s too much imo. It’s just not balanced pacing.

mystic turtle May 11, 2024, 9:49 PM

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I'd like to add that this seems to be an Internet thing
I get 70-100 ping just to the nearest servers, and it gets even higher sometimes
This was due to a combination of ahem, illusions of considerable savings, ISP duopoly, and government red tape that leads to me playing on a shoddy 4G tower that can't even consistently give 70 ping

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IIRC even wired networks I've played on here offer negligible improvement

kind falcon May 11, 2024, 10:41 PM

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mystic turtle IIRC even wired networks I've played on here offer negligible improvement

wires

radiant merlin May 11, 2024, 10:56 PM

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valve is not updating vgui lolol

summer steeple May 11, 2024, 10:58 PM

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speaking of vgui

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am i forgetting how strings work, they set the string length to 32 chars

left sand May 11, 2024, 11:12 PM

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null terminated strings

mystic turtle May 11, 2024, 11:16 PM

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kind falcon wires

don't tell me I have to spend considerable amounts on ethernet cables now?
ugh...

summer steeple May 11, 2024, 11:19 PM

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left sand null terminated strings

ah

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maybe one day valve will increase the value to 33 chars

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to match steam

spare obsidian May 11, 2024, 11:34 PM

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radiant merlin valve is not updating vgui lolol

wiki man

radiant merlin May 11, 2024, 11:44 PM

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cat man

tough locust May 12, 2024, 1:31 AM

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radiant merlin valve is not updating vgui lolol

i think vsh is still messed up with the HUD portrait displaying as heavy bc Eric Smith can't be bothered to edit vgui to make a solution

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 1:33 AM

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i mean thats not necessarily a vgui issue thats just a asset flushing issue iirc

tough locust May 12, 2024, 1:33 AM

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i always wondered, does valve have an actual tool to work on vgui or do they all code it by hand?? if valve works on the hud the same way that hud makers do I'd be surprised that they didnt kill themselves making the jungle inferno matchmaking ui

tough locust May 12, 2024, 1:36 AM

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summer steeple i mean thats not necessarily a vgui issue thats just a asset flushing issue iirc

if the HUD class portraits werent hard coded it would probably be an easy solution but the portraits themselves can't be edited by a HUD, you can't decide which textures it pulls for the character icons

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 1:36 AM

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ah true

high current May 12, 2024, 3:25 AM

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Eh, tbh with huds they’re so janky that I feel like if someone is committed enough they can make almost anything happen. Especially with materials, there so much jankiness and a surprising lack of documentation / verified documentation.

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Like this minimap made using custom materials in a hud: https://streamable.com/crbnnd

Streamable

Watch Desktop 2024.05.09 - 12.27.53.02 (online-video-cutter.com) | ...

Watch "Desktop 2024.05.09 - 12.27.53.02 (online-video-cutter.com)" on Streamable.

▶ Play video

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(Source: https://github.com/VillageGreenPreserver/tf2-hud-radar)

next nymph May 12, 2024, 3:40 AM

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high current Like this minimap made using custom materials in a hud: https://streamable.com/c...

interesting application, one of those things that makes a lot of sense as soon as you see it done

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 3:45 AM

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wtf

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oh ok I think i get it

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right material proxies

high current May 12, 2024, 3:46 AM

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Yeh as far as crazy usage of vmt proxies its not the craziest math operations ive seen.

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 3:47 AM

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I wish there were some more things that had material proxies

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healthbars would be so easy if there was a PlayerHealth proxy

high current May 12, 2024, 3:48 AM

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I think there literally is but it doesn’t work

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 3:48 AM

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there's a health proxy but it doesn't work and it would require the material to be on the player

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whereas PlayerPosition is just the local player's position regardless of what entity its on

high current May 12, 2024, 3:50 AM

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Theres still a lot you can do. It’s weird because explicitly speaking, you’re pretty limited. But you have just enough that you can do a ton of stuff if you’re smart enough

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 3:50 AM

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yeah

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I do wonder how PlayerProximity works on hud materials

high current May 12, 2024, 3:51 AM

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I’m not, at all. But one thing I’ve thought about is that you can probably extrapolate a players bounding box orientation relative to map geometry based on coordinates and detecting their change in acceleration when colliding with an object.

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 3:52 AM

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aw man, this would be sick

high current May 12, 2024, 3:53 AM

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I think PlayProximity is used for spawn doors showing the no enter sign? Idk if hud elements use it. But again idk because there’s only enough documentation to get you brainstorming and not enough to confirm/deny if those ideas would work.

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 3:53 AM

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iirc the respawnroom_visualizers are just the entity itself, not the texture

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oh no, it does use the PlayerProximity proxy

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high current May 12, 2024, 3:54 AM

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Ah idk then. I thought I saw an example of that specifically somewhere. Maybe it was ctrl+shift+f in the entire misc_dir.vpk

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Yeh material proxies hurt my brain. I’ve been meaning to work on a new iteration of the 2D speedometer that has a cleaner method of measuring time.
Since the current method literally extracts the time from the PlayerSpeed command by some witchcraft. Which while it works I think there’s a better way.

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 3:57 AM

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its weird tho, the entity itself also just hides itself if the player is on the same team, so PlayerTeamMatch is unneccesary

high current May 12, 2024, 3:58 AM

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Honestly it’s probably just an oversight

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 3:58 AM

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probably

high current May 12, 2024, 3:58 AM

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It’s so easy to get lost when editing proxies

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 3:59 AM

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tbh the entity itself is kinda annoying

high current May 12, 2024, 3:59 AM

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Especially math because you have to write all the operations in such a clunky and alien way

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 4:00 AM

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it doesn't tell the engine that its transparent, so if you don't remember to set the render mode to "color" (valve never did this), the render order can break and it causes entities like players to render on top of it

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you can see this on dustbowl

high current May 12, 2024, 4:00 AM

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The 3 days I spent making my iteration of the 2D speedometer were both the most exciting and most painful 3 days I’ve had hud editing lol.

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 4:00 AM

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oh god

high current May 12, 2024, 4:01 AM

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Yeh I brought my friend who is in grad school for mathematics in to help me with that. Doing trig is fun when there’s no square root proxy

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 4:01 AM

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summer steeple it doesn't tell the engine that its transparent, so if you don't remember to set...

adding onto this, it was so obscure that either no one in the tf2maps community knew about it (or it wasn't common knowledge) until I told people about it last year because I was curious why it was breaking

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the "fix" people would use prior was to use a custom material with $alphatest or to just change the entity shape and hope it fixed itself

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actually i'm not sure how I found out about it, I think I just tried random stuff in an attempt to fix it and it worked, and then i tried to figure out why

high current May 12, 2024, 4:03 AM

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Along those lines, word on the street is, the left 4 dead 2 modding scene is leagues ahead of the tf2 modding scene when it comes to custom materials. That’s where a lot of witch craft in tf2 materials gets introduced.

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Including entirely undocumented material proxies.

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 4:04 AM

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wtf thats crazy

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I know that L4D and onward has access to cvar reading

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as I posted earlier

high current May 12, 2024, 4:07 AM

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I’ve been looking for a way to do that in tf2 for about a year. No luck so far but I’m convinced there’s so much jank in this game that some obscure convar in a corner of the game has that ability

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Like sixense being the key to in-game hud customizations lol.

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 4:07 AM

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I wouldn't be surprised

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see now i'm curious and am looking at the proxies in the code

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I found one thats not on the list on the VDC

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accumbuff4sample

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its related to replays?

high current May 12, 2024, 4:10 AM

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Weird?

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 4:10 AM

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whatever this means

high current May 12, 2024, 4:10 AM

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Proxies are literally the final frontier of hud witchcraft

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 4:10 AM

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I never messed with replays when they were usable so i don't remember anything wacky

high current May 12, 2024, 4:11 AM

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That’s gotta be some technical analogy terminology

small sirenBOT May 12, 2024, 4:11 AM

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*That’s gotta be some

technical analogy

terminology*

high current May 12, 2024, 4:11 AM

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Spitting bars

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 4:11 AM

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yeah probably

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hmmmm, my current guess is that like

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you know how old film grain can kinda look like dots

high current May 12, 2024, 4:13 AM

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iirc there’s also a proxy for a heat meter that is used for mounted turrets in l4d and something? in tf2

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 4:13 AM

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its pretty noticeable on the tf2 map intro videos

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I think thats what they mean by "ping-pong"

high current May 12, 2024, 4:13 AM

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I doubt it, it’s just called grain or noise. I’ve never heard it called anything else

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Maybe it had to do with the old achievement for getting a certain number of views on YouTube for a replay?

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 4:15 AM

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maybe?

high current May 12, 2024, 4:15 AM

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Material proxy with internet abilities 👀

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 4:15 AM

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there's another undocumented one called ObjectPower, I don't think it does anything?

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it gets a "scale" variable and does nothing with it

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unless i'm missing something

high current May 12, 2024, 4:17 AM

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Any chance you can make sense of how the ScopeCharge proxy is stored? It says it’s stored in an array but I was unable to extract values by normal means so I think that’s either wrong or it’s some proprietary array

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 4:18 AM

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its a matrix

high current May 12, 2024, 4:18 AM

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Then maybe I can figure out why melee swings on 32-bit generated scope charge and on 64-bit it’s just random

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Interesting. Not sure if there is a way to extract values from a matrix in material proxies, probably, but I’m not aware of it.

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 4:20 AM

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I think... it might be uninitialized memory lmao

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because it calls the function GetHudDamagePerc(), but that function only exists on the sniper rifle

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but they don't check if the player's active weapon is a sniper rifle or not

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probably because in normal gameplay it always is

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instead they just... get the player's current weapon and cast it to a sniper rifle

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so it is treating every weapon as a sniper rifle and is checking its charged damage, which probably isn't initialized because its a sniper rifle specific variable

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so the difference between 32bit and 64bit is probably that the memory it was reading on 32bit happened to be somehow related to a melee swing, and now on 64bit its reading a different memory address thats much more inconsistent

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we did it, we found a place where tf2 reads uninitialized memory!

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yay!

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lets see... there's a MotionBlur proxy, I think thats used for transparent viewmodels?

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there's an engine_post proxy, I assume the game just uses that to apply post processing

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I wonder if it could be used to force bloom or something on a material

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it looks like it does require the various post processing cvars to be enabled tho

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there's replace_proxy, which apparently is used to replace regular textures with pyrovision ones

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and I think thats it

radiant merlin May 12, 2024, 4:54 AM

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i wish the invulnlevel proxy wasn't hardcoded

glad marsh May 12, 2024, 5:07 AM

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what's the command to get tf2 build info? i forgot

summer steeple May 12, 2024, 5:08 AM

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it might just be version?

glad marsh May 12, 2024, 5:09 AM

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ya that's it ty

tacit flare May 12, 2024, 6:39 AM

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Fortunately (or Unfortunately if you hate payload) this is democracy manifest. When given a choice, 8/10 players choose payload. Uncletopia even went through several phases of creating "No Payload" servers, which rarely filled, resulting in them becoming all map severs again. Even then there's a map cooldown. Though it appears to currently be bugged because you're able to vote for Badwater whilst playing on it. I had a two hour session just repeating Badwater last night because every time the vote menu appears, 16 votes instantly choose it.

TL:DR Map choice isn't a server problem, it's a democracy problem.

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Tenor

rare creek May 12, 2024, 6:59 AM

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tacit flare Fortunately (or Unfortunately if you hate payload) this is democracy manifest. W...

i have no issue with payload i have an issue with upward

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and i dont even really have that much of an issue with upward i have an issue with how often it's chosen it's become completely bland and boring to me

languid haven May 12, 2024, 7:36 AM

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I thought servers were expensive, why do some run 20 or more?

rare creek May 12, 2024, 9:22 AM

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ads

high current May 12, 2024, 10:42 AM

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summer steeple lets see... there's a `MotionBlur` proxy, I think thats used for transparent vie...

Transparent viewmodels don’t use the motion blur proxy, unless it’s just automatically applied to refracts. They’re actually super simple, it’s literally just a refract applied to vtf that is the transparency you want to subtract from your viewmodel. So if you want 75% opacity on your viewmodel you make the vtf 25% opacity.
Unfortunately changing the alpha with the vmt parameter doesn’t work, I tried it :(

grim parcel May 12, 2024, 10:43 AM

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rare creek i have no issue with payload i have an issue with upward

best map in the game

high current May 12, 2024, 10:45 AM

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summer steeple so it is treating every weapon as a sniper rifle and is checking its charged dam...

It seems like it only happens on hitscan weapons, so this might be the case. Or maybe I just haven’t seen it on projectiles yet, I quit using my custom scope material cuz of how iffy it is. Though I will say it was either not there or it was full charge, I didn’t ever see like 50% charge. Though in 32 bit melee swinging would quite literally build charge, you’d start at 0 and increase it by some increment every swing. It was really weird.

high current May 12, 2024, 10:47 AM

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languid haven I thought servers were expensive, why do some run 20 or more?

Could be a case of price per unit. 1 server is expensive but you can probably get 20 at a rate of like 50% per unit i bet.

mystic turtle May 12, 2024, 2:16 PM

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Tonight I countershot a spy fishing for a stairstab
I go to bed now good day to you

paper sluice May 12, 2024, 3:12 PM

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kind falcon May 12, 2024, 3:13 PM

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remove this shit

crisp cedar May 12, 2024, 3:16 PM

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paper sluice

@sonic cliff

kind falcon May 12, 2024, 3:16 PM

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crisp cedar <@273963095318069249>

unborn pecan May 12, 2024, 3:26 PM

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I am cooking up something swag

kind falcon May 12, 2024, 3:26 PM

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dougiehud

high current May 12, 2024, 3:27 PM

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mystic turtle Tonight I countershot a spy fishing for a stairstab I go to bed now good day to ...

What’s a countershot?

frigid needle May 12, 2024, 4:22 PM

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] mat_antialias 2
command This is blocked prevent to a want material to system change reload. it, If use you the file. Anti-Aliasing
module inside the modules.cfg

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i was thinking the same thing

mystic turtle May 12, 2024, 9:44 PM

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high current What’s a countershot?

lol
my brain picked that to refer to "meatshotting (if you can even call it that, I was using the Shortstop)" a spy attempting to stairstab me
hence counter, because it's being used against a known tech

livid oracle May 13, 2024, 12:34 AM

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https://i.redd.it/lqrpjpjxuzzc1.png

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reading r/tf2weaponideas is so insane

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what is the downside to this other than you cant take kritz

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why are these people obsessed with like

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putting a 25% damage penalty on the equalizer

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???

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why

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i dont get it, why is it such a common suggestion

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https://i.redd.it/chvm6c9jmuzc1.jpeg

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this is literally just a fucking direct upgrade to the shotgun lol

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the damage penalty is just completely cancelled out by the fucking 25% less spread

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???

orchid sorrel May 13, 2024, 12:49 AM

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(This weapon when on engineer)

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lol

mystic turtle May 13, 2024, 1:43 AM

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livid oracle https://i.redd.it/chvm6c9jmuzc1.jpeg

the reserve shooter is already decent
and airblast combos with it were removed for a reason

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It's an item in the same set that I feel could use a small buff, the liberty launcher
maybe give it, like, damage reduction nullified on direct hits, or maybe even give it rocket specialist to counter its blast radius penalty

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but IDK, I'm not a TF2 expert

radiant merlin May 13, 2024, 2:34 AM

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i am a tf2 expert and i say the rs is shit

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why? because i say so

mystic turtle May 13, 2024, 2:44 AM

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lmfao

jagged pawn May 13, 2024, 3:05 AM

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never go to reddit for balance ideas

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because this is exactly what happens, you look at the suggestions and then you think about them. that's the mistake, you're thinking

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the people creating these posts are not

potent wolf May 13, 2024, 3:06 AM

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agreed

jagged pawn May 13, 2024, 3:07 AM

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TRUE

jagged pawn May 13, 2024, 3:10 AM

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livid oracle what is the downside to this other than you cant take kritz

I think the idea is that the changes to rampup act as a functional damage penalty? but in reality you're not supposed to use a rocket launcher at point blank so it just ends up buffing spam lol

mystic turtle May 13, 2024, 3:30 AM

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jagged pawn because this is exactly what happens, you look at the suggestions and then you t...

do not question almighty Valve's balance changes, essentially?
Okey that's easy

jagged pawn May 13, 2024, 3:39 AM

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TRUE

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they knew what they were doing when they gave scout an infinite range projectile that deals 90 damage every 4 seconds

misty plover May 13, 2024, 5:08 AM

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livid oracle https://i.redd.it/lqrpjpjxuzzc1.png

"this is worthless if there's engineers but otherwise a direct upgrade, let's make it a direct upgrade instead"

misty plover May 13, 2024, 5:09 AM

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mystic turtle the reserve shooter is already decent and airblast combos with it were removed f...

No

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The reserve shooter was trash, the airblast combos were removed because they were unfun to fight against, not because they were good. Puff and sting combos were still stronger.

next nymph May 13, 2024, 5:16 AM

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mystic turtle do not question almighty Valve's balance changes, essentially? Okey that's easy

Your audience is good at recognizing problems and bad at solving them
- Mark Rosewater

sterile ferry May 13, 2024, 8:39 AM

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livid oracle https://i.redd.it/chvm6c9jmuzc1.jpeg

airblast 😭

livid oracle May 13, 2024, 9:17 AM

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huge?

jagged pawn May 13, 2024, 10:10 AM

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why would you subject us to this

rare creek May 13, 2024, 10:21 AM

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unironically playing a south korean tf2 server because there's no pl servers that arent uncletopia with players in them

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the 1 other server that has more than like 2 people in it banned me for having too much ping

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all the uncletopia servers are running pl_upward or another map ive played a gazillion times

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crazy how low everyone's pings are

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everyone in south korea has a lower ping than i have to any server in the us

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this game is like actually so fucking dead omg

molten compass May 13, 2024, 10:40 AM

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rare creek crazy how low everyone's pings are

Either a well optimized BGP or a low number of ISP's

rare creek May 13, 2024, 10:40 AM

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i get triple the amount of ping to google.com than south korean players have to south korean servers

molten compass May 13, 2024, 10:42 AM

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rare creek i get triple the amount of ping to google.com than south korean players have to ...

That sounds more like a ISP issue. Your nearest ISP gateway is far away

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In my home city my ISP gives 1ms to the nearest cloudflare colocation

rare creek May 13, 2024, 10:44 AM

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18ms ping to my isp 💀

molten compass May 13, 2024, 10:44 AM

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if im right i have 3ms to valve chennai (MAA) server

small sirenBOT May 13, 2024, 10:44 AM

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*if im right i have

3ms to valve

chennai (MAA) server*

molten compass May 13, 2024, 10:46 AM

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PING 155.133.232.98 (155.133.232.98) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 155.133.232.98: icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=3.79 ms
64 bytes from 155.133.232.98: icmp_seq=2 ttl=59 time=5.17 ms
64 bytes from 155.133.232.98: icmp_seq=3 ttl=59 time=6.10 ms
64 bytes from 155.133.232.98: icmp_seq=4 ttl=59 time=4.02 ms
64 bytes from 155.133.232.98: icmp_seq=5 ttl=59 time=4.19 ms
64 bytes from 155.133.232.98: icmp_seq=6 ttl=59 time=3.56 ms
64 bytes from 155.133.232.98: icmp_seq=7 ttl=59 time=4.96 ms
64 bytes from 155.133.232.98: icmp_seq=8 ttl=59 time=5.32 ms
64 bytes from 155.133.232.98: icmp_seq=9 ttl=59 time=5.16 ms
64 bytes from 155.133.232.98: icmp_seq=10 ttl=59 time=5.34 ms

--- 155.133.232.98 ping statistics ---
10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 90ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 3.556/4.759/6.099/0.779 ms

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Valve maa ping

mystic turtle May 13, 2024, 10:56 AM

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rare creek 18ms ping to my isp 💀

you can get sub-50 ping?
I get a consistent 70 if the connection isn't ass (which is at least a 50/50)

jagged pawn May 13, 2024, 11:10 AM

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have yall never felt the glory that is single digit ping

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genuinely indescribable, once you try it it's so hard to go back

mystic turtle May 13, 2024, 11:10 AM

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well, unfortunately I do not have the privilege of a job

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see me in 5 years

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lol

jagged pawn May 13, 2024, 11:10 AM

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I mean it's not a job thing it's just a living close to the server thing lol

mystic turtle May 13, 2024, 11:11 AM

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perhaps

rare creek May 13, 2024, 11:16 AM

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jagged pawn have yall never felt the glory that is single digit ping

no, doesnt exist here

jagged pawn May 13, 2024, 11:16 AM

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I'm so sorry

rare creek May 13, 2024, 11:17 AM

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i get 50 ping minimum to every tf2 server ever

jagged pawn May 13, 2024, 11:18 AM

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I get like 12 to LA servers

mystic turtle May 13, 2024, 11:52 AM

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ouch, I guess I'm really on the poor end of connections here again

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then again due to circumstances my internet is literally a 4G tower so

kind falcon May 13, 2024, 12:02 PM

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jagged pawn have yall never felt the glory that is single digit ping

priviliged

kind falcon May 13, 2024, 12:03 PM

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mystic turtle don't tell me I have to spend considerable amounts on ethernet cables now? ugh.....

https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

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mystic turtle May 13, 2024, 12:09 PM

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kind falcon https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

man
now I get why my ping is so ass, the route isn't even that direct
guess I just ended up in the wrong part of the world

rare creek May 13, 2024, 12:48 PM

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they should transform the ocean floor itno a giant metal plate for fast internet everywhere no more cables needed

rare creek May 13, 2024, 12:48 PM

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kind falcon https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

🏳️‍⚧️ confirmed

kind falcon May 13, 2024, 1:48 PM

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rare creek 🏳️‍⚧️ confirmed

can this be considered brainrot

rare creek May 13, 2024, 2:00 PM

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jagged pawn have yall never felt the glory that is single digit ping

i have and it still feels like shit compared to any semi-modern game

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5 ping in tf2 is like 40 ping in titanfall 2

high current May 13, 2024, 2:06 PM

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rare creek they should transform the ocean floor itno a giant metal plate for fast internet...

I might be wrong, but I’m like 98% certain the internet cables on the ocean floor are fiber optic.
They just need a lot of data and the resistance of copper/aluminum wiring would mean you’d probably need repeaters more often, which is expensive in the middle of the ocean.

next nymph May 13, 2024, 2:07 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/fiber-optic-friday-eat-the-optic-cable-cable-shark-fibre-shark-gif-25548843

Tenor

high current May 13, 2024, 2:09 PM

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Did they ever solve sharks chewing on the oceanic cables? I know it’s a popular meme but it’s fairly common because they’re warm and produce EMF, which is basically the same things sharks use to hunt fish.

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Oh huh. Apparently they just have super thick insulation covered in Kevlar. So we didn’t stop the sharks, we just made them shark proof.

sterile ferry May 13, 2024, 5:33 PM

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yo does 9.10.3 work with dx8

kind falcon May 13, 2024, 5:34 PM

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maybe

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does dx8 work?

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who knows..

eternal haven May 13, 2024, 5:44 PM

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There's really not too much about a config that could make it work or not work based on your dxlevel

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maybe a certain setting doesn't have any effect but who cares about that

sterile ferry May 13, 2024, 5:44 PM

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tf2 can now be launched in dx8 with just the launch option r8ght

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or does it still need like tf.exe and shit

eternal haven May 13, 2024, 5:45 PM

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yes you can use the launch option to set dxlevel but you should still remove the launch option as always

sterile ferry May 13, 2024, 5:45 PM

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alr

eternal haven May 13, 2024, 5:45 PM

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personally I find it easier to change the dxlevel in registry because it's just one change

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rather than having to click through steam and launch the game twice

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you can even make clickable .reg files, one for dxlevel 81, one for 95 or whatever you like

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and just double click them to switch it

sterile ferry May 13, 2024, 6:11 PM

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what is the reason to remove the launch option after using it actually

high current May 13, 2024, 6:19 PM

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The game remembers the dxlevel, but if you keep the launch option it would just change the launch option to the same launch option anyway. So you’d end up just having a longer launch time and probably dealing with the resolution change that happens everytime you change dxlevel.

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There might be more but that’s as far as I know. There’s no reason to keep the launch option there, and keeping it is inconvenient. Probably not actually harmful though

left sand May 13, 2024, 6:40 PM

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it resets graphics settings when you keep it in

high current May 13, 2024, 7:22 PM

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Ew big stinky

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Dx8 is big stinky in general

unborn pecan May 13, 2024, 7:22 PM

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high current Dx8 is big stinky in general

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cake-cat-cake-meme-gif-24537247

Tenor

eternal haven May 13, 2024, 7:26 PM

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high current Dx8 is big stinky in general

It's not just dxlevel, other things like -w and -h, -windowed, etc also can cause stuff to be reset

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that's why it's always best to use the videoconfig for your video settings and keep launch options free of them

slender nexus May 13, 2024, 8:59 PM

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oh god there's new bots in valve servers now

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They're not hacking but they're being disruptive by just walking around in circles and running vote kicks on everyone

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I'm very sure my last match was just bots but no sniper bros for some reason

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like heavies who would just snap to you with their minigun despite being a cloaked spy

tacit flare May 13, 2024, 9:03 PM

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Casual Moment

languid haven May 13, 2024, 9:33 PM

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livid oracle huge?

I can convince them to ban a heavy weapon.

kind falcon May 13, 2024, 9:39 PM

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rare creek everyone in south korea has a lower ping than i have to any server in the us

i wonder why

eternal haven May 13, 2024, 9:58 PM

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(south korea is very small and they have some of the best internet infrastructure in the world)

tough locust May 13, 2024, 10:24 PM

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eternal haven It's not just dxlevel, other things like -w and -h, -windowed, etc also can caus...

i couldnt tell you any other launch option off the top of my head that unintentionally messes with your video settings

mystic turtle May 13, 2024, 10:52 PM

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languid haven I can convince them to ban a heavy weapon.

me omw to convince people that the tomislav is an assault rifle in function and should be removed from TF2

rare creek May 13, 2024, 11:58 PM

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eternal haven (south korea is very small and they have some of the best internet infrastructur...

didnt twitch have to be discontinued in south korea because bandwidth to there was so expensive and overpriced tho?

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cherry blossom emoji crosshair

eternal haven May 14, 2024, 12:41 AM

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rare creek didnt twitch have to be discontinued in south korea because bandwidth to there w...

Because somehow the south koreans passed a law that would require twitch to pay for end users' bandwidth

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rather than end users paying for their own bandwidth as they do in pretty much every other country

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at least that's what I heard, I have never looked into it

languid haven May 14, 2024, 12:55 AM

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Sounds like south korea trying to kill their internet without realizing it.

grim parcel May 14, 2024, 1:13 AM

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eternal haven Because somehow the south koreans passed a law that would require twitch to pay ...

when i spread misinformation online

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i think it would’ve taken you less time to google it than type this
https://apnews.com/article/south-korea-twitch-network-fees-fcbd14738fcdc911069f82f76cb62afa

AP News

Twitch says it's withdrawing from the South Korean market over expe...

Twitch, a popular video service, will shut down its struggling business in South Korea, a decision its chief executive blamed on allegedly “prohibitively expensive” costs for operating in the country.

eternal haven May 14, 2024, 1:17 AM

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grim parcel when i spread misinformation online

What are you even talking about?

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https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/twitch-exit-from-s-korea-is-latest-fallout-from-sending-party-pays-model/

Ars Technica

Twitch exit from S. Korea is latest fallout from “sending-party-pay...

Twitch: Network fees in Korea 10 times more expensive than in most countries.

grim parcel May 14, 2024, 1:17 AM

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the message i replied to Agakakskagesh

eternal haven May 14, 2024, 1:18 AM

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Sending party pays law, twitch has to pay extra to cover end users' bandwidth

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Somehow you linked the worst possible article you could find

grim parcel May 14, 2024, 1:19 AM

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yes and sk isn’t the other country to allow this, or is it anything new
customers also still have to pay?

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even twitch has said “more fees” not “fees we don’t need to pay anywhere else”

eternal haven May 14, 2024, 1:19 AM

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Me when I claim misinformation but don't say what the misinformation is

grim parcel May 14, 2024, 1:22 AM

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it’s unique for being higher, not needing to pay telecom providers

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the article you linked even mentions how it’s getting popular in other areas

eternal haven May 14, 2024, 1:23 AM

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OK?

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I never said korea was the only country

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In most countries, when you download from twitch, you're paying your ISP the same as if you downloaded from someplace else, and twitch is paying your ISP nothing on your behalf

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South korea is apparently an exception to that, there may be a few other exceptions, they are the minority

misty plover May 14, 2024, 8:58 AM

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grim parcel yes and sk isn’t the other country to allow this, or is it anything new customer...

South Korea is the only country where this happens. Their exact practice is not commonplace. South Korean law dictates that rather than the consumer (requestee) pay for the content, the sender does instead. Both parties already pay for the service and set speeds, but this leaves the main cost with the creator rather than the consumer.

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This is NOT a standard practice

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To my knowledge this situation exists only in the Korean market, and is immensely abusable.

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In most parts of the world, ISPs, in a rare show of them not being bottom of the barrel abhorrent soulless enterprises, make the interconnection between networks free. Maybe they negotiate who's paying for the equipment at the interconnect location, but beyond that they don't charge eachother for transmitted data. Korean law disagrees with this notion and thus Korean telecom companies are ordered to pay eachother for bandwidth used. The exact rate is negotiable, but it is required by law that they fork over the cash. These companies then pass this on to the larger user of the bandwidth (the sender).

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This is a form of double dipping, and is why twitch et al complain about prices being through the roof

grim parcel May 14, 2024, 3:51 PM

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misty plover This is NOT a standard practice

this has literally been happening with carriers for years

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especially internationally

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hell even the US gets in on this

misty plover May 14, 2024, 5:40 PM

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No.

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This exact situation is not standard practice. As I said, in most of the world ISPs don't charge eachother for interconnect fees.

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Sender pays is currently only a model in Korea

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Additionally because of the way the system is described, you were more or less expected to have a contract with every single ISP in Korea directly.

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There is a reason most internet based companies do not do local business in Korea anymore, and a reason why the entirety of South Korea is more expensive for IP Transit than ever major business hubs like New York and Paris.

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This is a topic I have a lot of knowledge about, if you'd like I can discuss it in dms with you.

crisp cedar May 14, 2024, 7:18 PM

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late but one time i was seething so hard about getting to play only payload that i made htis image

tacit flare May 14, 2024, 7:43 PM

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crisp cedar late but one time i was seething so hard about getting to play only payload that...

https://tenor.com/view/steal-meme-thief-tf2-smile-run-gif-17716955

Tenor

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So called free thinkers when payload map is a vote option.

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(All the other payload maps are on cooldown)

hoary geyser May 14, 2024, 7:48 PM

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crisp cedar late but one time i was seething so hard about getting to play only payload that...

idk blame the other gamemodes for not being as good

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besides attack/defend

rare creek May 14, 2024, 9:34 PM

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i found an uncletopia server that isnt running upward

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i wish explosion upon ye

crisp cedar May 14, 2024, 9:53 PM

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link masking markdown isnt allowed

rare creek May 14, 2024, 10:01 PM

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why

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that'

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that's fucking stupid

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it literally tells you what site you're going to you'd have to be stupid to be fooled

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kind falcon May 14, 2024, 10:06 PM

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rare creek

tf u using markdown here for

rare creek May 14, 2024, 10:07 PM

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because discord stopped linking regular steam:// links so u have to use a site that redirects u

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steam://connect/66.85.14.157:27035

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doesnt appear as blue

kind falcon May 14, 2024, 10:08 PM

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just leave the ip or the redirect as is

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/909664706279641088/1136405791885242498/togif-3-1.gif

rare creek May 14, 2024, 10:09 PM

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why

crisp cedar May 14, 2024, 10:09 PM

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rare creek that's fucking stupid

dont take it up with me

rare creek May 14, 2024, 10:10 PM

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give me admin i will fix the server

crisp cedar May 14, 2024, 10:10 PM

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suure

kind falcon May 14, 2024, 10:10 PM

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rare creek give me admin i will fix the server

rule 1: if you are femboy add me

crisp cedar May 14, 2024, 10:10 PM

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real

kind falcon May 14, 2024, 10:10 PM

#

rare creek May 14, 2024, 10:11 PM

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kind falcon rule 1: if you are femboy add me

the server if i ran it

crisp cedar May 14, 2024, 10:12 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/603303568317087798/985302780552052746/6ae8449c32.gif

kind falcon May 14, 2024, 10:13 PM

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crisp cedar https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/603303568317087798/985302780552052746/6ae...

🙏 freedom to the war crime committe

crisp cedar May 14, 2024, 10:13 PM

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femboy at the voenkomat

left sand May 14, 2024, 11:45 PM

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rare creek because discord stopped linking regular steam:// links so u have to use a site t...

so link the potato.tf link?

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steam:// urls dont work anyway most of the time

rare creek May 14, 2024, 11:45 PM

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a

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the potato.tf link just opens the steam url

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that's all it does

potent wolf May 14, 2024, 11:53 PM

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then just link that!

formal dew May 15, 2024, 12:05 AM

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what if we have oppositional defiant disorder

misty plover May 15, 2024, 12:56 AM

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Goober

teal sand May 15, 2024, 8:39 AM

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did cl_threaded_bone_setup ever exist

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Thanks Chris!

rare creek May 15, 2024, 10:31 AM

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the bots are back

kind falcon May 15, 2024, 10:32 AM

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rare creek the bots are back

they never left

rare creek May 15, 2024, 10:33 AM

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they did tho

kind falcon May 15, 2024, 10:44 AM

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rare creek they did tho

would you like a maintained ch repo so u can host some of your own

rare creek May 15, 2024, 10:50 AM

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cathook was discontinued because the creator determined it would be easier to rewrite it than to make it work on 64 bit so i dont really think such a thing exists

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 1:06 PM

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teal sand did `cl_threaded_bone_setup` ever exist

Absolutely

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 1:46 PM

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In fact not only did it exist, it still exists, still works, and still improves performance

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Unfortunately there's no way for you to enable it anymore

kind falcon May 15, 2024, 2:17 PM

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eternal haven Unfortunately there's no way for you to enable it anymore

just cheat

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steamhapp

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 2:18 PM

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Well yeah that would be the only way to enable it

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Unfortunate

sterile ferry May 15, 2024, 2:23 PM

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why dontvthey enable it 👀

kind falcon May 15, 2024, 2:24 PM

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sterile ferry why dontvthey enable it 👀

they dont want you to have good performance

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joshie is an inside agent sent by the cheater organisation

sterile ferry May 15, 2024, 2:25 PM

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👀

high current May 15, 2024, 2:27 PM

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rare creek cathook was discontinued because the creator determined it would be easier to re...

Maybe they finished the rewrite

rare creek May 15, 2024, 2:30 PM

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eternal haven In fact not only did it exist, it still exists, still works, and still improves ...

they removed it because it caused a bunch of crashes

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so it never actually worked properly really

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 2:41 PM

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Well, no, they didn't remove it

kind falcon May 15, 2024, 3:07 PM

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its hidden

left sand May 15, 2024, 3:21 PM

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sterile ferry why dontvthey enable it 👀

crashes

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 6:57 PM

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When does it crash?

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I put my game in insecure mode and changed it and tried playing some demos and some bots for a while

left sand May 15, 2024, 9:11 PM

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i dont know, but they disabled it because they have crash monitoring and tracked it down to there

green tulip May 15, 2024, 10:07 PM

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iirc the code comment(s) for that cvar say or at least imply that it's unstable

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speaking of cvars it would be nice if r_radiosity had the cheat flag removed from it since none of the other values provide any unfair advantage

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https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Ambient_light

Ambient light

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would also be nice if the 4th value for it was documented in the cvar description

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 10:16 PM

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That's interesting

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the tf2 description doesn't seem to align with the dev wiki one

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or at least, modes 2 and 3 in tf2 look fairly similar

small sirenBOT May 15, 2024, 10:17 PM

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*or at least, modes 2

and 3 in tf2 look

fairly similar*

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 10:17 PM

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whereas the dev wiki implies they're way different

green tulip May 15, 2024, 10:20 PM

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I should really take comparison screenshots at some point because the different modes really do have pretty different characteristics

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 10:20 PM

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switch( r_radiosity.GetInt() )
    {
    case 1:
        ComputeAmbientFromAxisAlignedSamples( start, pLightBoxColor );
        break;

    case 2:
        ComputeAmbientFromSphericalSamples( start, pLightBoxColor );
        break;

    case 3:
        if (bIsStaticProp)
            ComputeAmbientFromSphericalSamples( start, pLightBoxColor );
        else
            ComputeAmbientFromAxisAlignedSamples( start, pLightBoxColor );
        break;

    case 4:
        if (bIsStaticProp)
            ComputeAmbientFromSphericalSamples( start, pLightBoxColor );
        else
            ComputeAmbientFromLeaf( start, leafID, pLightBoxColor, bAddedLeafAmbientCube );
        break;

    default:
        // assume no bounced light from the world
        for (i = g_pStudioRender->GetNumAmbientLightSamples(); --i >= 0; )
        {
            VectorFill( pLightBoxColor[i], 0 );
        }
    }```

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relevant implementation from tf2

green tulip May 15, 2024, 10:23 PM

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4 is the default in most Source games although I assume 3 was the old default since the cvar description only mentions up to 3 and also the VDC claims that 3 is the default along with Gmod having it's default at 3

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 10:23 PM

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2 is clearly the most expensive from a quick benchmark so I guess radiosity is applied to a lot of things that aren't static props

green tulip May 15, 2024, 10:23 PM

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all models

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any model that takes in lighting and isn't full bright is affected by r_radiosity iirc

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 10:25 PM

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interestingly on dxlevel 81 low lighting I don't really notice a visual difference between 1, 2, 3 and 4

green tulip May 15, 2024, 10:25 PM

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all the modes above 1 use ray tracing for static props

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 10:25 PM

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anything that hits the default case (not 1, 2, 3, or 4) makes some things fullbright

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2 still runs way worse

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I guess there are visual differences even on dxlevel 81 low lighting but they're slight

green tulip May 15, 2024, 10:28 PM

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eternal haven 2 still runs way worse

yeah 2 sends out 162 rays (changeable with r_lightcache_numambientsamples) from any model requesting a radiosity value and with non-static props/models that means it can't cache and keep the value since non-static props/models move around

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 10:29 PM

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Yeah makes sense

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the valve wiki description is kind of poor I think

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It implies mode 3 doesn't use that same ray tracing when it does, but only for the static props

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mode 4 too

green tulip May 15, 2024, 10:30 PM

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eternal haven May 15, 2024, 10:31 PM

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My bad then I was just reading this

green tulip May 15, 2024, 10:32 PM

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4 looks very similar to 2 but doesn't take in local colors as well or sometimes at all and also looks brighter

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 10:33 PM

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The leaves for 4 are the same thing as leaves in a map?

summer steeple May 15, 2024, 10:34 PM

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yeah

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they're the only leaves in source

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aside from the ones you can see on a tree

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 10:36 PM

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I mean I kinda understand why it's cheat locked

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it can make some things fullbright which doesn't really offer an advantage but a lot of cvars that break visuals like that are cheat locked

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also the models kind of flicker sometimes when the lighting is recalculated as a result of changing r_radiosity

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who knows if that could pose an advantage

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would have to check to make sure it doesn't allow you to see spies or anything (probably doesn't I guess)

green tulip May 15, 2024, 10:39 PM

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I forget but is there a cvar flag to prevent changing the value mid-game?

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 10:39 PM

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yeah

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FCVAR_UNCONNECTED I think

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or FCVAR_NOT_CONNECTED

green tulip May 15, 2024, 10:40 PM

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problem solved then?

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actually in what cases does it make things fullbright? is it just when changing it or is one of the modes prone to doing it?

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if it's just the former then setting FCVAR_NOT_CONNECTED would prevent cheating

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 10:43 PM

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I think any value that's not mode 1, 2, 3, or 4

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like 0 or 5 or more

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hits the default case and makes at least some models fullbright, not sure which really, it seems almost random

craggy ridge May 15, 2024, 10:45 PM

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green tulip May 15, 2024, 10:46 PM

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eternal haven I think any value that's not mode 1, 2, 3, or 4

then clamping/restricting it to only allow 1, 2, 3, or 4 would solve that

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of course putting all the restrictions like FCVAR_NOT_CONNECTED and clamping the values would ruin the command's usefulness for debugging but does anyone even use it for that in the first place?

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 10:48 PM

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Yeah I think maybe they could be convinced to make it non cheat

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if they actually like take feedback and implement it

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good luck with that though

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also I wonder if anyone would even play on mode 2

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looks similar to mode 4 for noticably lower fps

small sirenBOT May 15, 2024, 10:49 PM

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*looks similar to

mode 4 for noticably

lower fps*

green tulip May 15, 2024, 10:50 PM

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I might lol, I haven't done testing in TF2 but in Gmod I didn't seem to get any noticeable performance hit at all

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although I didn't do that much testing besides just spawning a bunch of stuff and seeing what FPS I got with idfferent values

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 10:51 PM

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I tried a quick and bad timedemo and it was like a 20% hit on the shounic demo

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Im running other stuff on my computer right now though so take that with a grain of salt

green tulip May 15, 2024, 10:54 PM

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any performance gain from changing it away from the default of 4 to 3 instead of 2?

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 10:55 PM

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1, 3, and 4 were all within a percent of each other in my quick little test

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I forgot to try 0

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also for 0 fullbright isn't even the right term for the models

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sometimes some of them are brighter than full bright, sometimes they're very dark

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but they always look more 'lit' than a fullbright model does

green tulip May 15, 2024, 11:01 PM

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even it there's no performance gain from changing it away from 4 having the option would still be nice kinda like how cl_new_impact_effects can be used to make the game prettier while making it run worse

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speaking of has anyone ever made a mod to add in all the effects that cl_new_impact_effects is normally missing?

mystic turtle May 15, 2024, 11:08 PM

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craggy ridge

oh, hey, I have the exact same trouble on net_graph 4
it just suddenly spikes and freezes

radiant merlin May 15, 2024, 11:10 PM

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craggy ridge

i remember having the same issues months ago

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is it just tf2 or also other games?

mystic turtle May 15, 2024, 11:14 PM

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radiant merlin is it just tf2 or also other games?

on my end, at least, HL1 deathmatch didn't have these strange spikes, I think
The server indeed was high-ping but it was consistent, I think?
Minecraft... that's just straight up inconsistent, unfortunately I have been cursed to have a 4G connection for the next few foreseeable years
But yes, most of these spikes happen in TF2, it's not as noticeable with other games or doesn't happen at all

craggy ridge May 15, 2024, 11:14 PM

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radiant merlin is it just tf2 or also other games?

all games

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anything online

radiant merlin May 15, 2024, 11:16 PM

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talk to your isp

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it didn't work for me but the issue solved itself anyways

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 11:16 PM

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Try pinging your own router or gateway and also pinging an internet server that should have consistent latency

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such as google dns or cloudflare dns or something

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If both have spikes the issue is something you can fix on your end

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If only the latter has spikes, may be an ISP issue

stuck locust May 15, 2024, 11:17 PM

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(it's wi-fi issues https://discord.com/channels/389089828249010188/1240075076523790408)

Discord

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mystic turtle May 15, 2024, 11:17 PM

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my theory, personally, is that they're deprioritizing packets or something like that
since the spikes get worse on times that would make sense for high traffic

craggy ridge May 15, 2024, 11:18 PM

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radiant merlin talk to your isp

technician came here didn't know what was wrong and dipped

mystic turtle May 15, 2024, 11:19 PM

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craggy ridge technician came here didn't know what was wrong and dipped

that's expected :(
IIRC some technicians don't even really know much, it's why a lotta helpdesks stink from what I know

radiant merlin May 15, 2024, 11:19 PM

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my isp told me that my mac address was wrong or smth

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 11:20 PM

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That's very possible

mystic turtle May 15, 2024, 11:20 PM

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wrong mac address?
that whole "randomize mac address" thing was actually a joke and it messes up connections?

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 11:21 PM

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Well some ISPs want you to register a mac address with them

small sirenBOT May 15, 2024, 11:21 PM

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*Well some ISPs

want you to register a

mac address with them*

next nymph May 15, 2024, 11:21 PM

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get a windows address instead

mystic turtle May 15, 2024, 11:21 PM

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lmfao

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hello ruler of piss

eternal haven May 15, 2024, 11:22 PM

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Also they may expect a unicast universally administered address

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So if you give them a multicast or locally administered address, they could very well claim that's 'wrong'

next nymph May 15, 2024, 11:23 PM

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mystic turtle hello ruler of piss

mystic turtle May 15, 2024, 11:25 PM

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eternal haven So if you give them a multicast or locally administered address, they could very...

weird

teal sand May 15, 2024, 11:47 PM

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eternal haven Unfortunately there's no way for you to enable it anymore

ohh thats right

radiant merlin May 16, 2024, 12:01 AM

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after all these years, stickies don't stick to func_brush smh

rare creek May 16, 2024, 1:48 AM

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how is blu team so shit?

next nymph May 16, 2024, 1:49 AM

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rare creek how is blu team so shit?

teams are tied up 0-0

mystic turtle May 16, 2024, 3:09 AM

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rare creek how is blu team so shit?

meet the Valve Matchmaking servers, where F2Ps are endlessly queued against sweats to be slaughtered for entertainment

high current May 16, 2024, 3:37 AM

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hot take, valve match making isnt that bad in casual

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also 5cp is mad easy to get spawn camped in casual. The map is designed that a lone cheeky demo can spawn camp as a risky play. Then you put it in casual where there can be 5 soldiers and 3 demos all shooting into spawn.

languid haven May 16, 2024, 4:12 AM

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rare creek how is blu team so shit?

yeah i get stuck with a team of morons so fuck casual.

languid haven May 16, 2024, 4:13 AM

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mystic turtle me omw to convince people that the tomislav is an assault rifle in function and ...

no that by using fists of steel you cn get an uber every 40-48 seconds.

drowsy marlin May 16, 2024, 4:24 AM

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If random crits were removed uncletopia would be dead

misty plover May 16, 2024, 4:24 AM

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languid haven yeah i get stuck with a team of morons so fuck casual.

The way the casual matchmaking seems to target is by trying to balance teams by using god players to compensate for bad players I think

languid haven May 16, 2024, 4:27 AM

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higher level doesn't mean better player

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it's flawed in everyway

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random player sorting and grouping of partied players would just be better. with bot detection

drowsy marlin May 16, 2024, 4:30 AM

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I've met so many players who are an insane high level in casual and they are still trash

languid haven May 16, 2024, 4:31 AM

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that's not the issue i have, just players with less skill aren't being evenly and fairly distributed.

summer steeple May 16, 2024, 4:32 AM

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it used to be better but people complained

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so they made the matchmaking way looser

languid haven May 16, 2024, 4:33 AM

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summer steeple so they made the matchmaking way looser

you chose the worst word to use

languid haven May 16, 2024, 4:52 AM

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we need multi-functional paint system like primary, secondary and unusual coloring so we can just reduce amount of unusuals

misty plover May 16, 2024, 5:49 AM

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languid haven higher level doesn't mean better player

Its not using level

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Casual has a MMR system, but its almost exclusively background

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The info is visible but the way they calc it is pure win loss ratio

eternal haven May 16, 2024, 6:12 AM

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How do they decide who to autobalance?

languid haven May 16, 2024, 6:21 AM

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can't even fucking play casual, wtf changed in the bug fixes to ruin tf2? ps it isn't my hardware. 64bit was fine before latest patch

eternal haven May 16, 2024, 6:27 AM

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What do you mean?

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 7:23 AM

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high current also 5cp is mad easy to get spawn camped in casual. The map is designed that a l...

just dont play casual

languid haven May 16, 2024, 7:59 AM

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eternal haven What do you mean?

it seems to be stuck on some kind of 2.5GBs of ram mode

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idk why i never used anything to restrict it

languid haven May 16, 2024, 8:17 AM

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why the fuck was "low ram" selected in comms website? i never touched it, did it default to on?

sterile ferry May 16, 2024, 8:21 AM

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trollfig

uncut spear May 16, 2024, 8:21 AM

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the website took so much of your ram, it auto did that

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das crazy

languid haven May 16, 2024, 8:22 AM

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what dumbass plays tf2 with 2.5 GBs of ram anyways? it ram leaks into degraded performance in an hour or less. they should just buy more ram.

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even in casual

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god forbid you try to lower texture resolution after disconnecting from a server. just don't bother with that setting even if you have less than 4GBs of ram. your game will break. better off restarting it.

languid haven May 16, 2024, 9:18 AM

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fuck it, reinstallingg

rare creek May 16, 2024, 11:56 AM

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skill issue?

mystic turtle May 16, 2024, 12:27 PM

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languid haven that's not the issue i have, just players with less skill aren't being evenly an...

exactly this
This is why I have to watch so many wipes
in the end, this is Team Fortress 2, and when the team is made out of 6 F2Ps, a single sweaty spy, and less than a handful of decent players, its viability against another team is questionable

high current May 16, 2024, 12:54 PM

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livid oracle just dont play casual

I usually avoid 5cp like the plague outside of 6s. But sometimes uncletopia players will vote to go to one and it’s always awful.

high current May 16, 2024, 12:58 PM

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eternal haven How do they decide who to autobalance?

I’ve heard it explicitly breaks up parties. I guess the idea is if a member of a party gets team swapped they’re more likely to just take it as a friend vs friend than to just rage quit. Idk how accurate that is because typically if my party gets broken up we just requeue, unless it’s me then I don’t bother, just my friends are babies.

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 12:59 PM

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high current I usually avoid 5cp like the plague outside of 6s. But sometimes uncletopia play...

whats awful about it

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uncletopia 5cp tends to be fun

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it only gets spoiled when some people decide to play wrangler engie

high current May 16, 2024, 12:59 PM

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Idk how true that is or if it’s just peoples tinfoil hats since there’s an x/12 chance your party gets balanced and you’re aware of it.

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 12:59 PM

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most of the time it's a fast paced back and forth

high current May 16, 2024, 1:02 PM

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I’ve always just seen it devolve into hard stalemates. On process it tends to be people don’t know how to cap second, so you just alternate pub pushes into mid and some sweaty sniper in choke nukes everyone. On snakewater you just can’t push last vs more than 1 sentry so it’s just lobby spam simulator. Sunshine tends to go the same as process but the snipers sit on Tetris

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I have yet to see metalworks or gully on uncletopia, but I fear those last push hard holds, especially on metal.

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 1:03 PM

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youre trying to trick me into a sniper discussion

high current May 16, 2024, 1:03 PM

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Nah I think people complain too much about sniper

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 1:03 PM

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anyway idk about that, most of the time 5cp is fun

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i generally play the most mobile classes so idc about sniper i just kill them

high current May 16, 2024, 1:04 PM

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Tbh 90% of the people who I play with who complain on sniper are clueless to counter him. Mainly an observation in 6s players who insist that Highlander is inferior so they’ve never played against full time sniper and learned to deal with it.

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 1:04 PM

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5cp does need a Silent Agreement between the players that they have to want to push out of last

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in casual there's NEVER that agreement

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everyone just instantly spams sentries on last as soon as they lose mid

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quite awful

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engineer should be removed from the game

high current May 16, 2024, 1:05 PM

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I don’t mind the snipers either personally, I know flank routes and sight lines. But my team doesn’t so I’ll just see “above average sniper is on a 5k” every time a team pushes.

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 1:05 PM

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high current Tbh 90% of the people who I play with who complain on sniper are clueless to cou...

generally 6s players know how to counter him and dont think he's overpowered at all they just think sniper is cringe due to slowing things down

high current May 16, 2024, 1:06 PM

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I like 5cp. But I think the bread and butter 6s maps tend to be substantially worse in 24v24. Maybe gully would be bearable since it’s been experimented with in HL.

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I bet sultry would play well in casual actually.

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 1:07 PM

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idk process and sunshine are fine

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most fun pub games ive had are on process, sunshine, bagel

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again with the silent agreement not to do any gay wrangler shit

high current May 16, 2024, 1:08 PM

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livid oracle generally 6s players know how to counter him and dont think he's overpowered at ...

Eh. I played vs a sniper black box team in a scrim last night and I was like “just shove flanks, a soldier with 3 rockets literally can’t stop you, then sniper is free kill”. But naw they just got farmed by sniper.
Honestly I like playing against sniper in 6s because it teaches my team to play against it and I already know so it just makes me look invincible.

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 1:09 PM

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high current Eh. I played vs a sniper black box team in a scrim last night and I was like “ju...

owned guy

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were they running sniper full time

high current May 16, 2024, 1:12 PM

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Yep. It’s the first time I’ve seen a 6s log of a true full time sniper, no other class played. They were only playing 1 soldier

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Literally enemy team had 3 rockets.

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Dude would do skip jump bombs too and land in front of us with 1 rocket. It made me smile everytime cuz idk why you’d do that with black box, but he dropped nearly 400dpm so he was farming someone.

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Though in fairness to the team I played for, product isn’t in the map pool and so since forming the team they haven’t played product.
Also the sniper had 200 ping so on top of knowing how to counter sniper, you need to know how to counter Australian ping snipers.

kind falcon May 16, 2024, 1:19 PM

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this the remix to ignition

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 1:33 PM

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oh lol you mean sniper + black box soldier full time

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i was wondering what the fuck is a sniper black box team

tacit flare May 16, 2024, 1:59 PM

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The right Spy in the right place can make all the difference in the world.

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Also I love how the removal of random crits in Uncletopia has forced medics to respect Spy's melee range.

limpid panther May 16, 2024, 2:12 PM

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tacit flare Also I love how the removal of random crits in Uncletopia has forced medics to r...

considering a medic will probably have an empty crit bucket, its a 15% chance to crit with its melee, so I disagree.

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sorry crit bucket is the other check, I meant he will have no damage bonus

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 3:18 PM

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limpid panther considering a medic will probably have an empty crit bucket, its a 15% chance to...

doesnt medic get crit chance off of their target's damage

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i still dont get why everyone's contrarian about random crits now

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most community servers back then had random crits off

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you went to official valve servers (filled with cheaters) if you wanted random crits

limpid panther May 16, 2024, 3:20 PM

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livid oracle doesnt medic get crit chance off of their target's damage

no

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 3:21 PM

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nowadays a huge chunk of the playerbase make it their entire personality that they exclusively play casual because a youtuber told them that its impossible to enjoy the game without random shotgun spread or whatever

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ive never seen why it's such a big deal, i never notice its absence

cursive peak May 16, 2024, 3:25 PM

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They've always believed that. I even conducted a little experiment one Scream Fortress update. I got my server up and running sooner than the community servers I frequented and invited people to join there while we waited for the big servers to come back. Nobody noticed for like 3 hours that random spread and random crits were off. If they were that critical to enjoyment, shouldn't it have been noticed sooner?

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 3:25 PM

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like its actual effects is like

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nerfs spy, buffs soldier and demo

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thats kinda it?

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i guess kinda nerfs demoknight too

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biggest effect is it makes red demo on maps like dustbowl even better

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makes rocket spam even better

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thats basically it

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why have ppl been arguing about this so passionately

small sirenBOT May 16, 2024, 3:28 PM

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*why have ppl been

arguing about this so

passionately*

unborn pecan May 16, 2024, 3:28 PM

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what no updates does

cursive peak May 16, 2024, 3:29 PM

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There were arguments over it even before End of the Line.

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 3:30 PM

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yeah ik but its not as emotionally charged as it is now

small sirenBOT May 16, 2024, 3:30 PM

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*yeah ik but its

not as emotionally

charged as it is now*

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 3:30 PM

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not as polarized too

unborn pecan May 16, 2024, 3:30 PM

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maybe you're not passionate enough

livid oracle May 16, 2024, 3:30 PM

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vast majority of ppl back then just preferred one thing

cursive peak May 16, 2024, 3:30 PM

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I still maintain it goes back to "lolrandom XD"

grim parcel May 16, 2024, 4:09 PM

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mystic turtle exactly this This is why I have to watch so many wipes in the end, this is *Team...

this is assuming the other team isn’t also 6 f2ps, a single sweaty spy, and less than a handful of decent players

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just get good

formal dew May 16, 2024, 4:26 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/537836043081351169/1240442229609201704/image.png?ex=66473c19&is=6645ea99&hm=57d12a81f8155df372d5f87bcc53e942a0d37a2d67dd8bd824a91f6449063e25&

high current May 16, 2024, 4:45 PM

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livid oracle doesnt medic get crit chance off of their target's damage

From my googling it seems that medic actually treats healing done as their “damage” for their crit bucket. So basically it’s always full.
Similarly engi crit bucket includes sentry damage, and maybe dispenser healing? So also basically always full.

rare creek May 16, 2024, 4:48 PM

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i think tf2 players are noobs

kind falcon May 16, 2024, 4:48 PM

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rare creek i think tf2 players are noobs

ur noob

high current May 16, 2024, 4:49 PM

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livid oracle nerfs spy, buffs soldier and demo

Radom crits on or off here? Because I feel like random crits hurt spy, and on soldier I feel like the only balance effect of note from disabling random crits, is that battalions back up becomes balanced with the other of soldiers banners, where with random crits on battalions sorta just becomes the must have for non-gunboat farm class.

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Obviously everyone is slightly stronger with random crits, except really spy. I guess revolver can random crit, but if you want crits on spy diamond back literally hands them out for free.

rare creek May 16, 2024, 4:51 PM

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kind falcon ur noob

https://tenor.com/view/big-boss-metal-gear-big-boss-fish-eating-fish-speech-bubble-gif-25302549

Tenor

high current May 16, 2024, 4:53 PM

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I just don’t really like insta-kill mechanics in general. In tac shooters it’s whatever because that’s the whole point of the genre. But in tf2 every insta-kill sorta feels bad to be on the receiving end of. Sniper headshot, spy backstab, random crit, demoknight charge crit. I think market Gardner and kritzkreig get a pass for being risky and high investment.

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A lot of those can be satisfying to play as. But I think in an ideal world they’re balanced in a way that is fun for both parties (or feels like you can do something versus on the receiving end).

broken haven May 16, 2024, 6:00 PM

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nerf sniper

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thank you save tf2

languid haven May 16, 2024, 6:00 PM

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anyone know a map to fill up the game's ram as fast as possible?

crisp cedar May 16, 2024, 6:01 PM

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remove ram from your computer

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insert only smallest ram stick that you own

languid haven May 16, 2024, 6:01 PM

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keep it in your pants

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no one wants to see your microchips

crisp cedar May 16, 2024, 6:03 PM

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remove a ram stick while your computer is running

high current May 16, 2024, 6:04 PM

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Probably blood water or one of the other Halloween boss spam maps

languid haven May 16, 2024, 6:04 PM

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i'm trying to see if the low ram usage on my tf2 was from something or if it's just the game forcing it to not see more than 2.5 even though before it'd use 5 or more which is fine.

grim parcel May 16, 2024, 6:14 PM

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just look in tf/custom

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and/or https://docs.comfig.app/latest/setup/clean_up/

Clean Up - comfig docs

How to completely reset TF2, including uninstalling mastercomfig or other configs.

languid haven May 16, 2024, 6:20 PM

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i never knowingly installed the low ram vpk

eternal haven May 16, 2024, 6:22 PM

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Realistically the game should use as much memory as it needs

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If you're saying before the 64-bit update it used 5 gb, that's not likely

languid haven May 16, 2024, 6:47 PM

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eternal haven If you're saying before the 64-bit update it used 5 gb, that's not likely

used to

kind falcon May 16, 2024, 6:49 PM

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languid haven used to

On Windows, under normal circumstances a 32 bit process can only access 2GB of RAM

eternal haven May 16, 2024, 6:53 PM

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I think he's a linux user

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regardless though, your point stands

summer steeple May 16, 2024, 6:54 PM

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32bit tf2 is large address aware, it can access 4GB

eternal haven May 16, 2024, 6:55 PM

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certainly not 5 though

languid haven May 16, 2024, 7:09 PM

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eternal haven If you're saying before the 64-bit update it used 5 gb, that's not likely

no i meant the 64bit version before latest patch

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32bit can't use over 4GBs regardless unless idk you use multiple processes as some kind of ram bank but that's probably less efficient.

eternal haven May 16, 2024, 7:13 PM

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You mean the April 22nd patch?

languid haven May 16, 2024, 7:55 PM

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I think so

languid haven May 16, 2024, 9:11 PM

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it's the game itself. what ever they did fucked it for my pc.

eternal haven May 16, 2024, 9:21 PM

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I really don't think they've done much at all between the initial public release of the 64 bit beta and today

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At least not on the windows side of things

languid haven May 16, 2024, 9:38 PM

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aye is it bad for this to be this low? mem_max_heapsize= "512"

eternal haven May 16, 2024, 9:44 PM

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That's higher than the default of 256

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mastercomfig now sets it to 720 as of 9.10.3

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though that perhaps only works on windows, I read somewhere that someone was having issues with dxsupport_override on linux

languid haven May 16, 2024, 9:51 PM

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or is my system just grouping different types of memory? like i have 2GBs of Vram and if the max heap was 512. what i assume my task manager couldve been saying the game was using 2GBs vram and 512MBs of ram for the game itself

eternal haven May 16, 2024, 9:56 PM

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Unless you're using an integrated gpu that shares system memory, system memory and vram are very separate things

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Nothing that shows you memory usage by process should ever group the two into one category or one number

wispy meteor May 16, 2024, 10:18 PM

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What would I need to do or who would I ask to update the hud

eternal haven May 16, 2024, 10:22 PM

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Just try it out

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Maybe it's tagged wrong

left sand May 16, 2024, 10:34 PM

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incompatible doesn't mean outdated

eternal haven May 16, 2024, 10:37 PM

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What does it mean?

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I thought maybe it meant bad autoexec/valve.rc but I didnt see that in a random incompatible hud

left sand May 16, 2024, 10:37 PM

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it's not necessarily outdated, usually means the folder layout is wrong, or its on an external site

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incompatible with upcoming comfig huds installer mostly

small sirenBOT May 16, 2024, 10:38 PM

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*incompatible

with upcoming comfig huds

installer mostly*

eternal haven May 16, 2024, 10:38 PM

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I think OP will find the hud in question seems to work alright

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as in works in game

wispy meteor May 16, 2024, 10:41 PM

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Ye i used this one but saw this warning and thought maybe something is wrong

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also how many more fps did you notice using the latest version of the config compared to the previous one, of course both tested on the 64 bit version and the same preset

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Or instead of fps you feel the game is smoother etc.

languid haven May 16, 2024, 10:53 PM

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my game updated 300MBs of workshop content. i don't have any subscribed.

eternal haven May 16, 2024, 10:55 PM

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You can get an idea of what it was by looking in steamapps/workshop/content/440

languid haven May 16, 2024, 10:57 PM

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*i should probably delete the folder

eternal haven May 16, 2024, 10:57 PM

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Well not necessarily

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You might want to check what's in there, that way you know what it is

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Also I think if you play on servers that use workshop maps, they will download to there

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even if you're not subscribed

languid haven May 16, 2024, 11:08 PM

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ah ok

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so i tried using the opengl one, it's capped at 2.5GBs too but i'm not having the same issue with lag

eternal haven May 16, 2024, 11:18 PM

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Are you sure it's "capped"?

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I think it's fairly likely that the game simply doesn't need more than that to do whatever you're doing with it

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Assuming you have ample free memory for it to use

teal sand May 16, 2024, 11:23 PM

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how do i get lod bias on amd

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i just tried for a while using registry

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did not work

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radeon pro is a broken application

languid haven May 16, 2024, 11:49 PM

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ok whatever changed with the dxvk must be the problem

small sirenBOT May 16, 2024, 11:49 PM

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*ok whatever

changed with the dxvk

must be the problem*

languid haven May 16, 2024, 11:50 PM

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opengl is fine but the performance is overall worse

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though idk how input would affect vulkan rendering

unborn pecan May 17, 2024, 1:28 AM

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languid haven so i tried using the opengl one, it's capped at 2.5GBs too but i'm not having th...

wait

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With the vulkan rendering

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are you having a lot of micro stuttuers?

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https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5630

GitHub

[TF2] [Linux] - Weird Dropping and Stuttering of Frames In OpenGL a...

System Information Arch Linux Radeon RX 6800 AMD Ryzen 5 5600X mesa 24.0.5 144hz Monitor with FreeSync KDE 6.0.4 Wayland Latest Steam Runtime Running game with: ~/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/ste...

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this was fixed with a Kwin update

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if your distro is old as balls

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then tuff luck

languid haven May 17, 2024, 3:59 AM

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correction that'ss a wayland issue. wayland doesn't even work on my pc.

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and it's not even micro stutters. you can see the frame drops when holding a key but for some reason i don't have this issue on the opengl setting. idk why.

drowsy marlin May 17, 2024, 4:22 AM

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Wayland sucks but it's progressively not sucking

teal sand May 17, 2024, 4:29 AM

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wayland is bad yea

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i use it cuz its default on kde 6 tho lol

eternal haven May 17, 2024, 4:37 AM

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Both wayland and xorg suck

jagged pawn May 17, 2024, 4:50 AM

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^ this is real

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I'm just more used to the xorg suck

languid haven May 17, 2024, 5:19 AM

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Anyone know a way of getting tf2 to output logs or something? I really want to find out why dxvk and tf2 only now have an issue on my pc.

grim parcel May 17, 2024, 5:35 AM

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eternal haven Both wayland and xorg suck

linux sucks

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bad for life

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*bsd

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trollfig

livid oracle May 17, 2024, 5:35 AM

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i prefer xorg so that i can do things on my computer

grim parcel May 17, 2024, 5:36 AM

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i prefer bsd so i can’t

languid haven May 17, 2024, 6:25 AM

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lsdos

rare creek May 17, 2024, 12:05 PM

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i prefer svgalib so i

kind falcon May 17, 2024, 2:05 PM

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teal sand how do i get lod bias on amd

https://tenor.com/view/silly-dog-silly-dog-propeller-hat-propeller-hat-dog-gif-4764495627579170054

Tenor

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ryzen so good im speedhacking on listen server

kind falcon May 17, 2024, 2:21 PM

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kind falcon https://tenor.com/view/silly-dog-silly-dog-propeller-hat-propeller-hat-dog-gif-4...

cant get it working myself

teal sand May 17, 2024, 11:47 PM

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kind falcon cant get it working myself

fail

summer steeple May 18, 2024, 11:58 PM

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loaded up a map in wireframe mode

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why is this part of the sign on the team select doors MODELED

languid haven May 19, 2024, 12:13 AM

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summer steeple why is this part of the sign on the team select doors MODELED

my question is why the hell is the topology so god damn atrocious?

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 12:14 AM

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ive never seen this suggested elsewhere wtf

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no shield + healing on damage actually solves the reason why valve did the shield in the first place

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(that you cant repair it while youre using the wrangler)

languid haven May 19, 2024, 12:15 AM

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livid oracle no shield + healing on damage actually solves the reason why valve did the shiel...

because you'd be taking away the enforcer's only purpose.

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 12:15 AM

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who cares about the enforcer

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the enforcer shit is so fucking dumb

languid haven May 19, 2024, 12:16 AM

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enforcer peirces all resistances.

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 12:16 AM

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it has like super duper niche uses in hl but people act like the wrangler is 👌 because of it lol

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like do people know how much damage the enforcer does to a sentry gun

languid haven May 19, 2024, 12:16 AM

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guess what, spy's cloak 20% resistance is a resistance too

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it's not niche, just no one uses it

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 12:16 AM

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livid oracle like do people know how much damage the enforcer does to a sentry gun

it's 40 damage

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the sentry gun has 216 hp

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lol!

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good counter!

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it literally takes 3+ seconds of non-stop firing the enforcer to kill a sentry gun

languid haven May 19, 2024, 12:17 AM

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it is, i've gunned down many lvl3s cause the engie doesn't expect someone being able to do so much to a sentry they cuts damage into 1/3s

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 12:18 AM

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i've killed sentries by pistoling them as scout

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so what

languid haven May 19, 2024, 12:19 AM

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but not a shielded sentry infact i bet you've eaten more lead than in a whole shipment of lunchables.

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 12:19 AM

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just kill the engie!

languid haven May 19, 2024, 12:19 AM

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potent wolf just kill the engie!

also a better point

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 12:19 AM

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if you can kill a sentry with the enforcer then the engie is probably dumb enough that you can just easily kill it normally when the shield is down

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 12:20 AM

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potent wolf just kill the engie!

it's way more consistent than trying to gun it down with your revolver

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 12:20 AM

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potent wolf it's way more consistent than trying to gun it down with your revolver

literally

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far more useful to backstab the engie

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than try to gun it down with the enforcer for 3+ seconds lol

small sirenBOT May 19, 2024, 12:20 AM

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*than try to gun it

down with the enforcer for

3+ seconds lol*

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 12:21 AM

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it's such a fake counter

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it has super niche uses in a coordinated environment and that's it

languid haven May 19, 2024, 12:21 AM

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livid oracle if you can kill a sentry with the enforcer then the engie is probably dumb enoug...

you don't understand, it's not about ending them, it's about making them suffer having to rebuild the damn thing multiple times. it's basically a fight of endurance or how long the other is willing to go before one of them gets tired and says "fuck it, i'm going pyro"

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 12:21 AM

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in any other case its far more useful for you to just stab the engie

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which means the sentry cant be shielded at all

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and the engie can't rebuild it

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because he's dead!

languid haven May 19, 2024, 12:23 AM

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livid oracle and the engie can't rebuild it

redtape on the dispenser takes all the metal from it. it's not about making their team more alerted, it's about getting that fucking engie off their team.

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sadism is one way of saying. you have no idea how many people hate me just because i disguise as a heavy, waltz passed their spawn and just put a sapper on their tele. no one bats an eye.

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 12:25 AM

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i thought we were talking about the enforcer but ok

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redtape is also super niche (bad trollfig ) when stock can actually kill the dispenser in far less time

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 12:26 AM

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the wrangler being shielded for 3 secs when the engie dies is probably the dumbest shit with the wrangler

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(apart from the shield's existence in the first place)

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like

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you get punished for killing the engie

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 12:26 AM

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at least it gets disabled too

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glub

languid haven May 19, 2024, 12:27 AM

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they were saying "well just do this cause it just works" sometimes you can't get close enough but there's blindspots. my solution. fuck with them, play mind games, have fun instead of stair stabs which everyone does it which is why it's much harder to play spy normally nowadays. people caught on.

languid haven May 19, 2024, 12:28 AM

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potent wolf at least it gets disabled too

speaking of disabled i like how cow mangler charged shot prevents repairs

languid haven May 19, 2024, 12:32 AM

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potent wolf redtape is also super niche (bad <:trollfig:938154442484777111>) when stock can ...

redtape isn't trying to be better infact you should be worried when a sidegrade is a direct upgrade. not every weapon is perfect but taking away their purposes then why even bother with sidegrades or anything but stock? it's supposed to be weird or have a niche like the short circuit, back scatter, force of nature, dragon's fury, manlger, demo's shields, market gardener. all these and more are so niche but just people play with whatever is popular and ends up either only ever using one to the point some don't even use stock.

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for as bad of a weapon as the back scatter, i've died to a flanking scout multiple times cause since when does anyone use the back scatter?

cursive peak May 19, 2024, 12:34 AM

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A sidegrade is no longer a sidegrade if it's an upgrade.

languid haven May 19, 2024, 12:35 AM

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only one i can think of is machina cause snipers don't even no scope low hp targets at close range. even scouts with 25 hp so the fact no one uses a function that it locks away kinda makes it better.

tacit flare May 19, 2024, 12:47 AM

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cursive peak A sidegrade is no longer a sidegrade if it's an upgrade.

Redtape is an upgrade in MvM. No damage, bot's don't remove it. DemoThinking

craggy ridge May 19, 2024, 1:19 AM

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rare creek May 19, 2024, 1:20 AM

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yeah surely valve doesn't know that the largest issue the game is currently facing is bots

crisp cedar May 19, 2024, 1:21 AM

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valveeee unlocks crate PLEAAAASE unlocks crate PLEASE FIX THE BOOOOTS unlocks crate PLEASE GIVE US ANTICHEAAAT unlocks crate WE NEED HEAVY UPDATEE unlocks crate

craggy ridge May 19, 2024, 1:26 AM

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crisp cedar valveeee *unlocks crate* PLEAAAASE *unlocks crate* PLEASE FIX THE BOOOOTS *unloc...

crisp cedar May 19, 2024, 1:27 AM

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what does this mean

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 1:31 AM

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crisp cedar valveeee *unlocks crate* PLEAAAASE *unlocks crate* PLEASE FIX THE BOOOOTS *unloc...

whats wrong with the bootlegger

mystic turtle May 19, 2024, 1:32 AM

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livid oracle no shield + healing on damage actually solves the reason why valve did the shiel...

I guess the only trouble in that case would be testing whether or not people can still recognize a wrangled sentry without its shield
For me, I recognize a wrangled sentry by the big teamcolored bubble, not its laser
or you could add a perfunctory resistance not unlike the vacc's plain resistance bonus when simply healing someone that doesn't add much instead of boosting the sentry to hundreds of HP

next nymph May 19, 2024, 1:32 AM

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summer steeple why is this part of the sign on the team select doors MODELED

easy way to get vector graphics

mystic turtle May 19, 2024, 1:33 AM

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also hello JarateKing

next nymph May 19, 2024, 1:34 AM

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hello neutral notre ally as coot

summer steeple May 19, 2024, 1:36 AM

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next nymph easy way to get vector graphics

they have a better way to do that and they use it on the hud lol

small sirenBOT May 19, 2024, 1:36 AM

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*they have a better

way to do that and they use

it on the hud lol*

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 1:37 AM

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summer steeple why is this part of the sign on the team select doors MODELED

what is this ingame?

summer steeple May 19, 2024, 1:37 AM

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when you select a team

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the doors

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 1:38 AM

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yeah what does it look like ingame im too lazy to check myself

misty plover May 19, 2024, 1:39 AM

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Hello

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I have taken up a terrible project ujel

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 1:40 AM

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Is it what you mentioned earlier glub

next nymph May 19, 2024, 1:41 AM

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you're forking a browser to just change the branding and then not do anything else?

misty plover May 19, 2024, 1:44 AM

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potent wolf Is it what you mentioned earlier <:glub:961888872441196644>

I have mentioned a lot of terrible projects

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Anyways, I'm going to figure out how to implement quickjs as a vscript runtime trollfig

next nymph May 19, 2024, 1:46 AM

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0.001 frames per second

misty plover May 19, 2024, 1:46 AM

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Nah

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Would perform better than squirrel, but that's not a high bar

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Squirrel does not optimize basically at all lol

kind falcon May 19, 2024, 1:47 AM

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big talk

misty plover May 19, 2024, 1:48 AM

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I do know what the class structrure I need looks like from an old repository, but I don't know what a refernece implementation looks like so I'll need to spend the next 37 years in ghidra

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 1:48 AM

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csgo leak has vscript code

misty plover May 19, 2024, 1:48 AM

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It does?

kind falcon May 19, 2024, 1:48 AM

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misty plover I do know what the class structrure I need looks like from an old repository, bu...

can u reverse the whole binary and send me all the variables named alright see u

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 1:49 AM

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misty plover It does?

https://github.com/perilouswithadollarsign/cstrike15_src/tree/master/vscript

misty plover May 19, 2024, 1:49 AM

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We win

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All I had was ivscript.h and vscript_templates.h but having an actual reference impl to compare against is nice

kind falcon May 19, 2024, 1:50 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/arting-siamese-cat-gigachad-ambatukam-ambasing-gif-26293326

Tenor

next nymph May 19, 2024, 1:51 AM

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cute kitty

kind falcon May 19, 2024, 1:51 AM

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burnt bread

misty plover May 19, 2024, 1:51 AM

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Oh a lot of this matches what I managed to reverse already nice

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So I was on the right track with my reversal

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I had some functions wrong though

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 1:52 AM

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misty plover I had some functions wrong though

make sure that stuff hasn't changed in tf2

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the only source of truth is the binary

misty plover May 19, 2024, 1:52 AM

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Nah I was meaning I misidentified some functions

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I'm not the best at reversing still

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 1:53 AM

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are you not using a binary with symbols?

misty plover May 19, 2024, 1:53 AM

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No ujel

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I just opened ghidra on my windows machine and got to work

kind falcon May 19, 2024, 1:53 AM

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there are symbols?

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☹️

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 1:53 AM

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download the linux dedicated server

misty plover May 19, 2024, 1:53 AM

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More fun that way

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 1:53 AM

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or the old mac builds trollfig

kind falcon May 19, 2024, 1:53 AM

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potent wolf download the linux dedicated server

https://tenor.com/view/snow-leopard-yawn-tired-sleepy-miau-gif-1381572590530579594

Tenor

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The Method

misty plover May 19, 2024, 1:53 AM

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This isn't as bad as Ficool was hinting at though

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I wish that the other vscript languages were compiled for tf2

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But you can only run one language at once (launch option) so it wouldn't be that useful ig

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 1:55 AM

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I'm sure you can find a way to swap it at runtime

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who cares about stability trollfig

misty plover May 19, 2024, 1:56 AM

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Theoretically yeah

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Anyways my grave will be marked with "the man who added typescript to tf2", and I will be burned at the stake for my crimes

next nymph May 19, 2024, 1:58 AM

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add webassembly to tf2 its faster

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 1:58 AM

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mystic turtle I guess the only trouble in that case would be testing whether or not people can...

idk the laser is very noticeable

misty plover May 19, 2024, 1:58 AM

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next nymph add webassembly to tf2 its faster

I already did that before

next nymph May 19, 2024, 1:59 AM

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next add assembly

misty plover May 19, 2024, 1:59 AM

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Actually a wasm vscript runtime probably isn't that bad of an idea hmmm

mystic turtle May 19, 2024, 1:59 AM

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livid oracle idk the laser is very noticeable

yea, hence why I'm on the fence about it

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depends on how many folks see the bubble instead of the laser

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 2:00 AM

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misty plover I just opened ghidra on my windows machine and got to work

linux is a way better os for reversing tf2 trollfig

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you can get away with really stupid shit

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like replacing the client build binaries with the dedicated server binaries

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well, some of them

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 2:01 AM

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wrangler rockets should also follow the laser like in half life trollfig

broken haven May 19, 2024, 2:06 AM

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craggy ridge

tf2 players when they get shot in the head (only their brain is hit)

misty plover May 19, 2024, 2:28 AM

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potent wolf like replacing the client build binaries with the dedicated server binaries

I actually think all should be replaceable because trhey're all probably approved in the signing thingy whatever you call it I forget

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 2:28 AM

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abi is slightly different for some stuff

misty plover May 19, 2024, 2:28 AM

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Oh true

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 2:29 AM

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also binaries are not signed on linux

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and i don't think that would change anything anyways

misty plover May 19, 2024, 2:30 AM

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No I mean the api that they call via steamworks

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 2:30 AM

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?

misty plover May 19, 2024, 2:30 AM

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Can't remember name of it, but they shouldn't get you vac'd since they'd be approved for the application already

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 2:30 AM

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who knows

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although dedicated is a different app so it might not...

misty plover May 19, 2024, 2:31 AM

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Whatever brain tire

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No more thinking only gaming

unborn pecan May 19, 2024, 2:54 AM

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craggy ridge

me when the fard is so fard

unborn pecan May 19, 2024, 2:54 AM

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crisp cedar what does this mean

fard

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 3:08 AM

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misty plover Can't remember name of it, but they shouldn't get you vac'd since they'd be appr...

I think this part of vac is broken

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One time as a test I made an alt and played tf2 on it with modded binaries for a good solid while

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The account hasn't been vac banned

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I tried on both windows and linux

kind falcon May 19, 2024, 3:09 AM

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mfw sigscan is the only thing left 😢

tough locust May 19, 2024, 3:12 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3249435146 vscript deathmatch mode dropped

Steam Workshop::[DeathMatch] Forgecall

kind falcon May 19, 2024, 3:21 AM

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vslop

unborn pecan May 19, 2024, 3:23 AM

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vfard

misty plover May 19, 2024, 3:30 AM

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eternal haven I think this part of vac is broken

Don't know the exact logic for it but vac doesn't always run the same checks

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Could be pure chance that you didn't get it

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But its probably broken if you were doing it for like more than 6 months lol

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 3:35 AM

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No it looks like I did it for about 30 hours of playtime

small sirenBOT May 19, 2024, 3:35 AM

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*No it looks like I

did it for about 30

hours of playtime*

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 3:35 AM

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over the course of a couple days

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about a year ago

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 6:36 AM

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tough locust https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3249435146 vscript deathm...

um this is slop tf2 is not gmod workshop creators are lazy youre making slop its sloppity slopslop

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industry plant indieslop streamer bait goyslop

mystic turtle May 19, 2024, 6:56 AM

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"streamer bait"

someone make a "MEET THE Zest[REDACTED]" video, if that sorta attitude's what you're implying

orchid sorrel May 19, 2024, 7:57 AM

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meet the armchair game developer

misty plover May 19, 2024, 9:27 AM

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misty plover This isn't as bad as Ficool was hinting at though

This isn't hard but I don't like the way Valve does things

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Whatever

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 7:18 PM

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https://x.com/mastercoms/status/1409298047436210181?lang=en

mcoms (@mastercoms) on X

Using a quick tool I wrote, I have estimated the number of idlers and cheating bots in TF2 to be ~30k.

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How do you estimate?

left sand May 19, 2024, 7:37 PM

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doesnt it explain in the post

unborn pecan May 19, 2024, 7:45 PM

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Yo that's kinda swag 😳😳

misty plover May 19, 2024, 7:48 PM

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left sand doesnt it explain in the post

Didn't xpaw say this was wrong

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I know its almost three years old now but I'm like 99% sure he had already said steam playercount doesn't work like that before that tweet

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 7:50 PM

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left sand doesnt it explain in the post

Well not really

misty plover May 19, 2024, 7:50 PM

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Oh nvm you did correct it

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 7:51 PM

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I'm kind of curious if you're just using steam API or interacting with tf2 GC or something like that

misty plover May 19, 2024, 7:51 PM

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Steam api most likely

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 7:51 PM

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and what metrics are used to decide who's a player and who's a bot

misty plover May 19, 2024, 7:51 PM

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Steam has an api where you can see player counts for all servers

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Though I have my own doubts whether its accurate

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||Anyways, I never understood why people doomerposted about "oh man 99% of the playerbase is bots farming items and crates!!!", all that electricity bill for a whole two cents an hour tops, people are stupid but not that stupid.||

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 7:53 PM

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It seems like with the amount of work you'd have to put in to make a worthwhile item farm you could have earned more just working a real job

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It doesn't seem too easy to make thousands of steam accounts and enable trading on all of them and consolidate all the items all without getting noticed by valve

misty plover May 19, 2024, 7:54 PM

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Valve wouldn't care for one

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Two creating a steam count is easy

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Three even best case scenario you lose money

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 7:55 PM

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You don't lose money if you find a way to host it for free/cheap

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unless you have to pay to enable trading, I don't remember

small sirenBOT May 19, 2024, 7:55 PM

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*unless you have to

pay to enable trading,

I don't remember*

misty plover May 19, 2024, 7:55 PM

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eternal haven You don't lose money if you find a way to host it for free/cheap

No, you lose money.

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Your elecricity bill will be higher than any gains you can make.

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 7:56 PM

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That's what I meant by finding a way to host it for free/cheap

craggy ridge May 19, 2024, 7:56 PM

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x are you elon musk's alt

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 7:56 PM

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Yes

craggy ridge May 19, 2024, 7:56 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/trump-wow-telling-me-now-first-time-surprised-gif-1695387857546901797

Tenor

misty plover May 19, 2024, 7:56 PM

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eternal haven That's what I meant by finding a way to host it for free/cheap

Two cents an hour isn't even worth that

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 7:57 PM

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Yeah I mean I wonder why people idle bot then

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It seems clear there's at least some idle bots

misty plover May 19, 2024, 7:57 PM

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I doubt its bots

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People leave the game running for a lot of reasons

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I once left tf2 open for an entire month while I was on vacation

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 7:57 PM

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Idk

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I think there are idlers for items

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Interested to know what kind of metrics mastercoms used to estimate

misty plover May 19, 2024, 7:58 PM

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eternal haven I think there are idlers for items

Not in like a literal decade because its genuinely not worth it after they changed the drop system to require actually playing the game

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:00 PM

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I think some people find it worth it

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If you assume you get 7 items per week worth 3 cents each, if you make 5000 steam accounts that's $1000/week

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If you host it on oracle/aws free trials it's free

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:01 PM

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Here's the wrench in your plans:

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Connected to a vac secure server.
Not running in text mode.
Running only one instance of the game.
You have to actively respond to the notifications

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For those items.

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And I'm pretty sure the "once instance of the game" is ip based?

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Valve hasn't really told though

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:02 PM

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Would it really be that hard to reverse engineer it

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:02 PM

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Yes? We don't have access to the code at all?

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:03 PM

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If it's IP based that would probably put a stop to it true

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:03 PM

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The item servers are entirely valve sided.

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:03 PM

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probably hard to find free proxies for non web protocols / ports

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:04 PM

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As I said though

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:04 PM

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Idk I don't understand what makes up this mass of accounts that log on and log off in groups if it's not idlers

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:04 PM

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You can earn more money doing literally anything else with those free tier machines

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:04 PM

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true

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:04 PM

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Like li terally anything else

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Its objectively stupid to farm for tf2 items with idle bots. No one does it. Its all just bullshit made up by someone who doesn't understand anything about anything.

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:06 PM

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How else do you explain the playercount spikes and stuff

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eg. 10000 accounts start or stop playing over the course of an hour

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:06 PM

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Friend, its a global game

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Stuff like that happens

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:07 PM

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I guess

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so you don't agree with mastercoms' 30k estimate?

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:07 PM

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That was three years ago

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:08 PM

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well at the time of course

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:08 PM

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Don't think so

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But not impossible

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Creating a steam account is trivially automatable

small sirenBOT May 19, 2024, 8:08 PM

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*Creating a steam

account is trivially

automatable*

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:08 PM

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Is it really?

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:08 PM

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Yes?

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:09 PM

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I thought you need phone numbers basically

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:09 PM

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No

soft lynx May 19, 2024, 8:09 PM

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fake ones exist, even if yuo needed them

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:09 PM

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Cathook ran a public site for account generation since like

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2019?

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Iirc valve doesn't even require a captcha for creation still

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:11 PM

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Last time I made a steam account it had a captcha and would only let me continue with a gmail address

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If I tried non gmail it had some error, don't remember what it was as it was 2 years ago

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maybe a one off thing

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:13 PM

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Anyways, I don't trust any site that claims to have statistics about the players

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I don't even trust steam's api to be accurate

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Its a high volume of data you'd need to be keeping up with/tracking

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:14 PM

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I wonder how teamwork.tf claims to get valve casual and serveme now

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:14 PM

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The steam api

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:14 PM

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Don't both use SDR and you cannot do A2S queries?

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:14 PM

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That they claim is inaccurate

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:14 PM

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Oh ok steam api

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:14 PM

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They outright lie about their data source which is kind of funny

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:15 PM

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Well maybe they changed it and just never updated the explanation

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:15 PM

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No, steam api never calculated based off the hour

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Steamdb used to have a minutely tracker

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Before teamwork.tf's statistics were even a thing

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:16 PM

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How did they do that?

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I thought steam API has only 10 minute granularity

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:18 PM

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Steams player count is real time (hence my distrust of it)

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The API, I mean

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I'd actually trust a minutely check more than a real time one for a scenario like this

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:20 PM

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https://api.steampowered.com/ISteamUserStats/GetNumberOfCurrentPlayers/v1?appid=440

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this?

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:20 PM

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misty plover I'd actually trust a minutely check more than a real time one for a scenario lik...

Or one averaged out over a minute rather

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:21 PM

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eternal haven https://api.steampowered.com/ISteamUserStats/GetNumberOfCurrentPlayers/v1?appid=...

That's one way yeah but theres also an API for aggregating all the servers steam is tracking for a game

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Which is what teamwork et al uses

eternal haven May 19, 2024, 8:21 PM

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I wonder if you have to be in a server that's published to the master list to get item drops

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Or if it can be just any server as long as vac's enabled

small sirenBOT May 19, 2024, 8:21 PM

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*Or if it can be

just any server as long

as vac's enabled*

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:22 PM

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eternal haven Or if it can be just any server as long as vac's enabled

As long as it's vac enabled and connects to the item servers

small sirenBOT May 19, 2024, 8:22 PM

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*As long as it's vac

enabled and connects to

the item servers*

misty plover May 19, 2024, 8:23 PM

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Tuesday maintenance means no drops

left sand May 19, 2024, 8:58 PM

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eternal haven I'm kind of curious if you're just using steam API or interacting with tf2 GC or...

i detailed it already, no?

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 9:05 PM

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im not watching 40 mins of that

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 9:05 PM

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tf2 is dead and you should be angry

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 9:06 PM

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potent wolf tf2 is dead and you should be angry

actual tldr

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like why does he say 99% of players are bots

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that sounds silly

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didnt shounic say he wanted to debunk that vid

orchid sorrel May 19, 2024, 9:09 PM

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livid oracle like why does he say 99% of players are bots

he just looked at archived teamwork.tf stats

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from what I remember

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 9:10 PM

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archived teamwork.tf stats and steamdb stats iirc

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 9:11 PM

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like how are people coming up with the 80k bots number or whatever

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i already said im not watching this im on my phone

stuck locust May 19, 2024, 9:14 PM

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||youtu.be^$removeparam=si``` in ublock :)

stuck locust May 19, 2024, 9:19 PM

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livid oracle i already said im not watching this im on my phone

something along the lines of getting rid of all of the empty space between the steam player count and the teamwork.tf player count curves to get them to match

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48000 being the amount of accounts removed to shift the steam player count curve down to match, with that amount being referred to as bots since they weren't included in the teamwork.tf stats

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and then there was a second estimate a few minutes later using different dates which resulted in 74000 players being removed to match the curves

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 9:28 PM

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how exactly does teamwork.tf collect player counts for valve servers?

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 9:30 PM

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stuck locust

so whats the conclusion from this

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why did everyone freak out

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why is everyone still freaking iut

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like idk who cares

potent wolf May 19, 2024, 9:31 PM

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nobody plays tf2 nooooooo

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 9:31 PM

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like if ~25k is a dead game number

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then like

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terraria

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rdr2

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hades

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those are dead games?

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there's games with 10k that people still talk about a lot

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geometry dash

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factorio

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monster hunter

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binding of isaac

formal dew May 19, 2024, 9:33 PM

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Live Service Game

cursive peak May 19, 2024, 9:33 PM

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Multiplayer titles live and die by their player counts.

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 9:33 PM

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balatro has 15k

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its literally easier for me to get in a tf2 match today than a few yrs ago

stuck locust May 19, 2024, 9:36 PM

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i think the side some are taking is believing the game's being abused from the sheer amount of bots they think are active on tf2

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but i haven't seen the video and have not really been paying attention around so idk why people are freaking out

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the game's status seems fine :p

livid oracle May 19, 2024, 9:36 PM

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there cant be more than like 300 casual bots lol

stuck locust May 19, 2024, 9:36 PM

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yeah

#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year