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#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year
uncut spear
I read that you can't have anti-aliasing on for transparent models, could you use gpu anti-aliasing like what amd has to avoid that caveat?
livid oracle
i do not like squirrel at all
it has numbers as both int and floats
but it's a dynamic language where it's unclear if youre working with a float or not
there's no typing or anything
summer steeple
yeah
livid oracle
i spent a lot of time figuring out why the fuck something isnt working
and it's because
abs()
converts to int
why
livid oracle
yeah but this is a dynamic language
summer steeple
ah yeah true
livid oracle
every other dynamic language will have their abs function overloaded
summer steeple
i don't think it supports overloads either so...
livid oracle
every other dynamic language will have their abs function overloaded
either this or all numbers are just doubles
genuinely hate squirrel actually
summer steeple
understandable
misty plover
Squirrel is not a real language and should return to the pits of hell
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
dynamically typed languages were a mistake
livid oracle
it actually is if you take lua and had someone that's embarrassed by lua to "fix" it
misty plover
It's bad enough to use, I had to suffer with making a language server for it which I gave up on fast
I barely got past parsing before I surrendered
summer steeple
i honestly don't mind using squirrel but i would prefer something else tbh
i haven't used lua but i kinda don't want to
livid oracle
ppl complain about lua but its internal logic is easy to understand once you get it
squirrel just seems like random bullshit to try to be more like a Real Language
summer steeple
its like C if it was bad
misty plover
No that's Pawn
summer steeple
idek what pawn is
livid oracle
ppl complain about lua but its internal logic is easy to understand once you get...
nooo the index starts at 1
who cares
misty plover
Pawn is a fucking nightmare and the fact that it's the only choice for sourcemod is baffling
summer steeple
we should abandon scripting languages and just allow real langauges like c++ for scripting 
misty plover
All I want are events that are actually events
Give me the ability to cancel them or change them before the game handles them
summer steeple
i wish, but it'll never happen
i hate the fact that so much of vscript is either remaking something that already exists from scratch because you have no access to it or undoing something that the game just did
misty plover
we should abandon scripting languages and just allow real langauges like c++ for...
If you guys can convince Eric to give me access to the codebase I'll add wasm support 
(honestly the fact no one uses wasi in plugin systems is saddening)
summer steeple
like I get the fact that valve has to be worried about safety and security more than sourcemod does but man its annoying
vscript is so limited even within those confines
because so much just isn't supported yet
like oh they added support for one nextbot component
not the other ones
and i mean i guess joshie is probably busy with other stuff like, y'know, 64bit port
misty plover
Even when it is supported most of the time the implementation is pretty painful ngl
livid oracle
can you convince eric to change squirrel for lua
misty plover
I actually wonder how hard that would be, vscript does have support for multiple languages supposedly
Supposedly because I've never seen any game use more than just one
summer steeple
oh my god i just remembered something that pissed me off
you can't see animation events
so i like
have to hardcode it
by manually checking the animation and finding the tick
and then converting that to the fucking 0-1 cycle
misty plover
The events are more like reactions than events tbh and I hate it
livid oracle
we should get clientside vscript
summer steeple
that won't happen
misty plover
I wish but hard no
summer steeple
too much of a security risk
livid oracle
cowardice
misty plover
Joshie, Eric, and Ficool all say no
livid oracle
i want custom shit with proper prediction
summer steeple
god i wish
livid oracle
all those extra movement mechanics done in vscript are dogshit until theyre predicted
anyway
i want to clean this script up so i can actually link it
summer steeple
all those extra movement mechanics done in vscript are dogshit until theyre pred...
I feel like there has to be some way without sending code to the client to tell the client what a specific action should do
like not something that exists yet
but there has to be some solution
misty plover
The major thing I want is just custom huds
summer steeple
god yeah
livid oracle
do other games have a triangle debug draw
summer steeple
i really do want to know what "security issue" stopped vgui support
livid oracle
probably running arbitrary concommands
summer steeple
do other games have a triangle debug draw
doesn't seem like it
livid oracle
rebinding stuff is the big thing i think
misty plover
The web access stuff and maybe commands
misty plover
The web access stuff and maybe commands
Both are trivially solveable in terms of effort, but long in terms of time
summer steeple
limit it to editablepanel, CExLabel, and like
thats it
and just limit what inputs you can have
or like
misty plover
Listen all I need is the ability to draw a square and that's it
summer steeple
let us set up a res file before hand and just give vscript access to size, position, visibility, and like 32 variables for CExLabel
livid oracle
the ability to draw a pixel
misty plover
let us set up a res file before hand and just give vscript access to size, posit...
I mean handling the variables wouldn't even be something omega complex anyways you can do those in so many ways
If they gave me a month with the code base I would have vgui update done
small sirenBOT
livid oracle
they should give us the ability to send dlls to the client
summer steeple
I mean from some of the videos ficool showed vgui support seemed at least functional
misty plover
they should give us the ability to send dlls to the client
Unaware
summer steeple
seriously tho there are so many solutions for the VGUI issue
misty plover
Forcing players to download my map with the antivirus test string hidden in it
summer steeple
like come on the VSH vscript has to use fucking unicode characters for its ability bars
thats ridiculous
misty plover
seriously tho there are so many solutions for the VGUI issue
Honestly I'm 99% sure that the issue is from the legal department saying no moreso than anything
summer steeple
why would legal care
livid oracle
Forcing players to download my map with the antivirus test string hidden in it <...
isnt that why ppl freaked out about sprays
summer steeple
no they freaked out about the idea of bots putting illegal images onto their pc
which they could never do lmao
misty plover
I mean they could
summer steeple
well, not in casual
misty plover
But not in casual yeah
summer steeple
i mean the spray deleting cvar is good to have
misty plover
Unless decals are cached maybe they could have used objectors
summer steeple
but the fact that people panicked so hard about the whole spray thing because one person foudn out that sprays were cached and they saw porn
even though it was from a community server
and not casual
misty plover
I mean my issue personally is the game never cleaned it up so you'd have gigs of random bullshit on your pc
summer steeple
yea
misty plover
But then again I'm a psycho who records every demo of every game I play so I can't complain
livid oracle
apparently too many debugoverlays will crash your game
kind falcon
They're networked entities iirc so
pardon me?
livid oracle
They're networked entities iirc so
wait what
livid oracle
what
livid oracle
no xss allowed !!
gay
rare creek
lmfaoooo
tacit flare
All these squares form a circle.
crisp cedar
i really dont think you should refer to it that way
rare creek
to be clear i was laughing at the fact that it's disallowing angle brackets, not that wget called it gay
livid oracle
if orgot what i used to call you
says right ther you can use 🐱
kind falcon
says right ther you can use 🐱
🐱 F
tacit flare
dreamy marlin
So I know hud_player_model=on got a big performance boost with 64bit, do we know of any other specific settings that got a relatively big boost?
(inb4 "all of them duh")
limpid panther
guys i found this random cool vid on YouTube
showing an old bug with the huntsman
dreamy marlin
I've seen that message, I'm well aware there are lots of (awesome) under-the-hood changes. But I was asking if anyone had noticed those under-the-hood changes translating to in-game settings/mastercomfig modules that can have their quality increased without much performance impact, similar to what happened with hud_player_model.
For example, those notes mention memory system bottleneck fixes, cache memory limit fixes, and memory alignment fixes. Do we (yet) know if those changes mean specific modules like textures or lod can be maxed out on most systems without a performance impact now?
dreamy marlin
Mostly just asking if anyone has done the testing for that yet
small sirenBOT
sterile ferry
whats sse2 and the hunk
summer willow
idk but being lazy sse2 is a set of instructions that cpu's have to deal with numbers, basically everything that handles number now probably uses sse2 and is more performant and even more correct? its more complex than this but yeah
actually i think most instructions is to deal with number because computers beep boop
kind falcon
its interesting how sse2 got into tf2 when 97% of the playerbase had that in their systems
now its 100% due to steam itself requiring that. i think. or osmething. its old
summer willow
it seems that the error of null.mp3 is lagging the game so i was thinking, instead of huds having the file why don't mastercomfig have this file included?
kind falcon
livid oracle
its interesting how sse2 got into tf2 when 97% of the playerbase had that in the...
first coherent talon sentence
formal dew
its interesting how sse2 got into tf2 when 97% of the playerbase had that in the...
theyre dedicated to compatibility
sterile ferry
does playdemo automatically enable the match hud
kind falcon
first coherent talon sentence
i love you
kind falcon
first coherent talon sentence
spare obsidian
kind falcon
can we ban this guy for being a shounic agent
languid haven
can we ban this guy for being a shounic agent
shounic fucking lied about the spy's gun not having random crits.
limpid panther
can we ban this guy for being a shounic agent
the penny is you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhvxaxFGO8M
craggy ridge
craggy ridge
the existence of a wget implies the existence of a lgive
slender nexus
ltake
misty plover
grim parcel
the existence of a wget implies the existence of a lgive
is this how normal people actually think about jane's name? that's funny
potent wolf
lmao
left sand
is this how normal people actually think about jane's name? that's funny
youre replying to pudding; you might wanna reconsider your adjective.
green tulip
"No WoW64 layer on Windows" what? isn't this just inherent to something being 64-bit on Windows, like there isn't anything at all you can do to change or decide this besides the application itself being 32-bit or 64-bit
feels like a semi weird thing to list
green tulip
but like that's just inherent to 64-bit and is implied by something being 64-bit, I guess a similar thing could be said about "SSE2" since on 64-bit it's the minimum however unlike "SSE2" there is 0 choice in the matter with WoW64
it doesn't make any sense because there is no choice to be made with WoW64
eternal haven
So you're just bothered that mastercoms listed that as one of the differences the update brought about since it sort of goes without saying?
I guess
green tulip
and also currently it's technically not even true because TF2 still comes with 32-bit binaries and if they didn't use WoW64 then they just wouldn't run on 64-bit systems at all
left sand
"No WoW64 layer on Windows" what? isn't this just inherent to something being 64...
yes i listed an explicit benefit for windows, because the WoW64 layer has slight overhead
"on top of 64-bit" means beyond just it expanding address space because that was the question
it's meant to counteract the premise that "64-bit won't do much, it'll just slow down the game and make it be able to bloat past 4GB RAM"
eternal haven
Nothing wrong with that premise IMO
Most of the performance improvements come from other changes
Only a small portion from changing the target architecture
that you compile for
left sand
yes but it was in the context of the 64 bit update for tf2, so i wanted people to be aware and thus remain optimistic about the long list of factors that can bring higher performance
eternal haven
Yeah makes sense
left sand
there was a lot of doom and gloom in forums and discord about how valve is tone deaf and only doing a 64 bit update so they can bloat the game with more hats or unusuals or something that doesn't even make sense
eternal haven
This is maybe a stupid question but would compiling tf2 with /O2 in MSVC offer improved performance or nothing noticable?
or do they already do that
eternal haven
Even for release?
potent wolf
||i'm joking||
livid oracle
im still a little annoyed that most ppl think the +5 billion fps increase is entirely just from porting to 64-bit
eternal haven
lol
green tulip
there was a lot of doom and gloom in forums and discord about how valve is tone ...
with that context it makes a lot more sense though I think separating things by something like "changes unrelated to 64-bit binaries" and "benefits brought from the binaries being 64-bit" would be nice if there ever is another revision to that list
potent wolf
im still a little annoyed that most ppl think the +5 billion fps increase is ent...
shoes!
eternal haven
I mean they keep debug symbols in the macos builds
or they used to when there were macos builds
potent wolf
that's because they don't strip the binaries properly on mac
they always build debug info in all versions, but it's removed before it gets released
left sand
with that context it makes a lot more sense though I think separating things by ...
i get that!
potent wolf
that's because they don't strip the binaries properly on mac
fun fact: valve ships linux builds of half-life with DWARF info
green tulip
im still a little annoyed that most ppl think the +5 billion fps increase is ent...
I mean it's kinda because everything else is undocumented unless you look hard enough and the update was just released with the changelog only saying "The game is now 64-bit" and like nothing else
eternal haven
That changelog is awful
livid oracle
the changelog should properly credit mastercoms with full name and address and landline number
summer steeple
i thought you said landmine mumber for a second
craggy ridge
is this how normal people actually think about jane's name? that's funny
i think of the word wet but with a random g in it
i pronounce it in my mind as wayget
craggy ridge
youre replying to pudding; you might wanna reconsider your adjective.
you all have a nasty habit of adding the g at the end
next nymph
im still a little annoyed that most ppl think the +5 billion fps increase is ent...
yeah. 64 bit integers are only 4.3 billion times larger than 32 bit integers. That doesn't account for all of the 5 billion
heavy moat
Has anybody worked out the fix for vulkan tf2 crashing the entire DE in fullscreen?
heavy moat
Yeah it does that for me and a few other people
also if I run in borderless windowed my game appears to run at like 15 fps with crazy input lag after like 20 mins of playing but it's fine if I'm spectating someone when dead?
heavy moat
Legacy OpenGL works fine but it would be nice to be able to play in vulkan
That's interesting to hear though, here's hoping they fix it with xorg
raw escarp
i open the game in desktop 1, let the game switch my monitor to 1080i50, switch to desktop 2 and once it switches back to 1080p60 i can go back to desktop 1 and play without any issues
unborn pecan
Legacy OpenGL works fine but it would be nice to be able to play in vulkan
never had that problem
on xorg
eternal haven
Could be Nvidia only
languid haven
Could be Nvidia only
I believe it's KDE doing it. KDE6 crashes for any reason. I install something CRASH Update something even on steam CRASH i launch a game CRASH i launch a browser CRASH i go into fullscreen CRASH i leave my desktop up and don't launch or touch anything CRASH
eternal haven
I tried with only i3wm and it still froze
but I was using KDE apart from that, so maybe there's something there
unborn pecan
I believe it's KDE doing it. KDE6 crashes for any reason. I install something **...
hey
if you are having issues with kde
you should try nuking ur KDE configs
in ~/.config and ~/.local/share/
languid haven
Why would configs have anything to do with crashes?
Also updates replace or "nuke them" anyways on my distro. I ain't gonna mess with shit and end up with it not working at all cause it's missing configs.
unborn pecan
Also updates replace or "nuke them" anyways on my distro. I ain't gonna mess wit...
That's not how it works
The configs in ~/.config and ~/.local/share are generated by the programs
I'm just saying, sometimes, resetting KDE to factory defaults and starting over can fix stuff
languid haven
Or just update so it stops.
unborn pecan
or maybe u just have a really shit config somewhere in ur distro
or idk
use gnome?
languid haven
Maybe stop trying to give advice when no one asked?
unborn pecan
Maybe stop trying to give advice when no one asked?
no need to be rude bro
you could just say, "Hey I don't want advice"
unborn pecan
Gnome is kind of awful
gnome requires a lot of tweaking for me to like it
I gotta go deep into dconf
and ofc shell extensions
eternal haven
Last time I used gnome I had like 20 extensions and it was awful
unborn pecan
lolol
I usually get the app indicator one and the display monitor ddcutil brightness one
KDE can control my display's brightness with ddcutil out the box
cause they added support to their daemon or whatever for it
languid haven
Gnome is kinda weird trying to uninstall too. Somethings try to lie and claim its a dependency. So they got nuked with it too.
grim parcel
what
rare creek
i am going to uninstall steam for more fps since steam is 32 bit
kind falcon
cool
half rose
https://gamebanana.com/mods/504356
this mod freakin awesome.
languid haven
why are tf2's files writable while playing the game? why would the game need to write over very important files while the game is running like textures?
i think a great way to prevent crashes from corrupting such files is to just not let the game be allowed to write over them in anyway. so my hamshank doesn't just turn black like frostbitten toes after my dumbass decides to fuck around with funny mvm upgrades and finds out in almost the worst way possible.
livid oracle
what are you saying
languid haven
what are you saying
funny scout shotgun, blew load, many particles and crashed now my meat turned black upon restarting tf2. yes i verified integrity now but why is it even possible for a game crash to do this to game files?
Ok now i think it just crashed my DE.
I had to force my pc off cause seemingly whatever tf2 did prevented me from shutting down my pc and the screen was black.
Tty worked though
kind falcon
my condolences
heavy moat
I believe it's KDE doing it. KDE6 crashes for any reason. I install something **...
There's a GitHub issue that suggests it's happening on both Nvidia and AMD cards in multiple DEs so I think it's an xorg thing.
heavy solarBOT
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rare creek
https://gamebanana.com/mods/504356
does preloading viewmodel animations still cause random crashes
livid oracle
(the huntsman thing)
i actually have no idea how to explain it less technically
i guess this is me asking for help
rare creek
what is "the huntsman thing"
livid oracle
what is "the huntsman thing"
rare creek
does it matter
livid oracle
does what matter
livid oracle
that the hitboxes arent rotated
yeah it matters
it's not easy to notice because it's not hitscan
rare creek
loadout i stole from steam community 🤤
paper sluice
does preloading viewmodel animations still cause random crashes
Idk
When I was using it I didn’t seem to crash
misty plover
i actually have no idea how to explain it less technically
Hit box no spinny when should spinny
Bad math = :(
(that's as least technical as I can go)
kind falcon
loadout i stole from steam community 🤤
he looks smelly
livid oracle
Hit box no spinny when should spinny
i just ended up making this image
hopefully the average person can see the issue here
half rose
rare creek
real
kind falcon
i just ended up making this image
image
next nymph
i just ended up making this image
so what view angle is most immune to the huntsman
kind falcon
@livid oracle
misty plover
you will be timed out for TWENTY WEEKS if you ping me again for no reason
You will die if you die 🙀
burnt dragon
i just ended up making this image
people used to call it lucksman and I wouldnt agree
maybe they are right
burnt dragon
you will be timed out for TWENTY WEEKS if you ping me again for no reason
will I get muted too?
sterile ferry
Bro
kind falcon
@livid oracle can you make a topdown gif with spy spinning
small sirenBOT
misty plover
Jesus
limpid panther
hopefully the average person can see the issue here
suggestion: to reinforce the change in world angle, do the same image but in a recognizable spot in a map where the 4 backgrounds are different
this is in addiction to the caption, of course
misty plover
Maybe
left sand
can anyone check to see if sound cache still uses heap size? host_parms.memsize as clamped by mem_max_heapsize and mem_min_heapsize @potent wolf maybe
misty plover
Gotta add more clickbait red arrows
tough locust
does preloading viewmodel animations still cause random crashes
no not since summer of last year
kind falcon
Twitter
slender nexus
whar
summer steeple
so I'm working on the mockup for my hud again and I've hit a bit of a snag
I like how the metal is on this old mockup, but i forgot that if you are using the widowmaker or have a weapon out that has no ammo it causes the ammo panel to disappear
and because of how its setup, it'd look kinda weird on its own
last night i experimented with putting it underneath the ammo, but i'm worried that it might be a bit too far out of the way
I could maybe swap the actual number and the metal icon, as well as make the font a bit bigger but I don't think it'll help too much
zealous pond
If they fix consistency with the Huntsman they should do the same with every other weapon that has inconsistent results. 
rare creek
no not since summer of last year
how
rare creek
can anyone check to see if sound cache still uses heap size? host_parms.memsize ...
how
potent wolf
can anyone check to see if sound cache still uses heap size? host_parms.memsize ...
What should i be looking at specifically?
S_Init?
potent wolf
strings!
left sand
and then is that value passed to audiosourcecache Init used?
I'd assume that's data_9f6da0
potent wolf
what is this
decompiled game code
left sand
cool
rare creek
what does any of this mean
kind falcon
what does any of this mean
code
rare creek
what even is a heap size or a sound cache
eternal haven
decompiled game code
I think he meant what decompiler?
I recognize the ghidra but not the other one
eternal haven
o
potent wolf
I recognize the ghidra but not the other one
binary ninja
tough locust
how
There was a bug fix in the summer update I think that stopped the game from crashing all the time when it unloaded models on valve servers and animations are technically a model IIRC
it also meant that you can use custom models on valve servers with some trickery
grim parcel
i just got mandela effect-ed
cp_steel's one way door for red on point a was only added last summer?
i thought it always there
livid oracle
<@616476500828487740> can you make a topdown gif with spy spinning
Suggestion: Can you do a let's drown in A Hat in Time? I believe it's possible to drown yourself, and I haven't played the game for myself to see what happens. Please upload that.
potent wolf
Suggestion: Can you do a let's drown in A Hat in Time? I believe it's possible t...
I don't have enough space on my switch to download it 😭
mystic turtle
lmfao
summer steeple
so I'm working on the mockup for my hud again and I've hit a bit of a snag
bumping in case anyone has suggestions
next nymph
I like how the metal is on this old mockup, but i forgot that if you are using t...
im a sucker for putting metal above the buildings ui personally. But remind me what exactly gets hidden when widowmaker or whatever: is a hardcoded element hidden, or is the %metal% text set to blank?
summer steeple
I haven't actually checked, but I looked at the code yesterday and it hides the entire hudammoweapons file if the weapon uses metal, uses no ammo, or is an energy weapon
I can double check rn
if the panel wasn't partially transparent I could just have the metal UI also have the ammo UI
I kinda backed myself into a corner
yeah the widowmaker just hides the whole ammo UI
next nymph
it may not be ideal, but a quick fix might be to round that edge there
summer steeple
maybe if I have it so that like
the part of the curve thats the straight line is the same length
on both panels
so its seamless
next nymph
im not following
summer steeple
yeah thats ok
i explained it weirdly but i essentially just did what you suggested
it also looks pretty good with the ammo panel
I guess I can always have like, the 2 options as an a customization
slender nexus
lol when did cp_brew get added
slender nexus
joined a casual game last night and im pretty sure that was the first time I even saw that map
me and like 3 other people were asking "when the FUCK did this get added?!"
i like it I guess
orchid sorrel
summer 2023
slender nexus
but I literally had zero clue it existed until last night
orchid sorrel
i guess most of the maps got overshadowed by VSH at the time
livid urchin
Now that the "Hunk" has been removed, can it be assumed that r_hunkalloclightmaps does nothing now?
left sand
i think @potent wolf confirmed it didn't do anything
but what im more curious about is what r_lightcache_zbuffercache does now
potent wolf
i think <@394179512788844544> confirmed it didn't do anything
looks like it's still used in the same way as before
orchid sorrel
TF2 wiki says it was one of the maps added for smissnass last year
Actually that makes sense now, smismass was practically unplayable
potent wolf
looks like it's still used in the same way as before
not sure if the hunk code itself has been changed, it's been moved into CHunkDeprecated
left sand
oh hm
i suppose there will be further updates, maybe 64-bit update is not complete yet
summer steeple
I mean we know that it was rushed out for the objector crash fix
eternal haven
Seems like the bulk of the update should be wholly separate from the objector fix
Isn't it probably like a 1 line check
Or maybe a check when uploading them and a check when loading them
small sirenBOT
tough locust
summer 2023
smissmas 2023
opal bolt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/627648330725589012/1234335932543668284/image.png?ex=66305c6b&is=662f0aeb&hm=e1c563dfd50df894bcfdc90a878af5fa44c99cabda05a06c87ff547c1f5c6122& when i tried to open MegaAntiCheat it said this has anyone here tested to make sure its sefe to download?
rare creek
ignore warnigns liek those
on all programs
it's just microsoft tryign to get developers to send them $100
grim parcel
it's actually more expensive now in a lot of cases since they started requiring HSMs
spare obsidian
HSM?
rare creek
yeah wtf is an hsm
summer steeple
huge shitty microsoft
orchid sorrel
ham shank man
limpid panther
Suggestion: Can you do a let's drown in A Hat in Time? I believe it's possible t...
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound entitled with the suggestion thing. I will not do it again
opal bolt
ignore warnigns liek those
So it's safe to use?
left sand
it's unknown whether or not
but
that warning doesn't necessarily mean its more or less dangerous
rare creek
scanning the file with windows defender is a much much better indicator of if it is dangerous
left sand
scanning kms software:
rare creek
who tf is codign suicidal software
eternal haven
scanning w10privacy
Also I can't believe people use kms and redo it every 180 days instead of just going hwid route
left sand
exactly what you think
languid haven
is it true if you prevent tf2 from using core0 that it'd properly multithread?
eternal haven
Are you implying it doesn't properly multithread?
If you prevent it from using core 0, none of its threads will be scheduled on core 0
That's about the extent of it
summer steeple
to my knowledge the only thing about core0 is that a lot of things on your computer use it so tf2 has to complete with other things a bit more
eternal haven
Yeah
A lot of interrupts for drivers end up getting handled by core 0, system processes seem to get scheduled more on it, etc
drowsy marlin
How do I set core affinity in linux?
summer steeple
pick up your computer and throw it out the window
sterile ferry
splash damage 3d
livid oracle
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound entitled with the suggestion thing. I will not...
what
??
oh
id idnt see your message
i just copypasted that
grim parcel
HSM?
hardware security module
it 100% does keep a key more secure than just being a regular old file...but obviously dedicated (or cloud) hardware is still an additional cost on top of that cert
at prism for example we got kinda screwed over by this
our rates went up like $75-$100/yr i think?
eternal haven
Stupid question with an obvious answer I'm sure, but how does microsoft enforce how you store your keys anyways?
rare creek
at prism for example we got kinda screwed over by this
please tell me prism didn't start signing the executables
i dont want microsoft robbing open source developers 😔
grim parcel
Stupid question with an obvious answer I'm sure, but how does microsoft enforce ...
well even though we don't get certs directly from microsoft, i'd imagine they still have a pretty big say in how the intermediary companies distribute their keys - or else they just won't sign their certs anymore and they'll go out of business
grim parcel
please tell me prism didn't start signing the executables
we did in 8.0 iirc?
but yeah not anymore
we actually ended up getting an apple cert since it's cheaper
(it was also needed more since macos is more annoying with these things)
misty plover
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/627648330725589012/1234335932543668284/im...
I've done a few code reviews of MAC, while I think its a nightmare software and very unmaintainable, its not a virus.
kind falcon
@grim parcel hey bro can I have the cert to sign my driver (non-malicious intent)
misty plover
we actually ended up getting an apple cert since it's cheaper
Wait, apple certs work for windows?? Or am I misunderstanding
I didn't think Apple was a part of the trusted root for apps program
I know Microsoft has their own service for application signing now but they're scummy with it, you need to be a registered business with 3 years of tax information
But its only $10/m if you can provide that to them
Free while it's in public preview
Sidenote, it really is curious that all the same sharks from the SSL mafia that made having https sites impossible for anyone who wasn't a rich business are the same people who do certificates for application signing now
next nymph
but have you ever noticed how the world has gone to shit ever since letsencrypt? War and plague and such
left sand
Maybe it would be good to provide the basic signing capability for free so that people can associate their applications with the same signing key. The only problem is the question of if risk of losing built trust (and subsequently having to re-register) is a worthwhile deterrent to sharing keys.
Right now, it is that way because of the cost and business verification, but is the sole cost being the time lost spent building trust sufficient?
misty plover
Maybe it would be good to provide the basic signing capability for free so that ...
I mean my big personal issue is that its only the top tier certificates (EVs) that smart screen will not flag on
Organization and Individual (OV, IV) both get flagged till you have a large number of independent users,
And iirc self signed applications are the same way, where you need a certain install amount for smart screen to not flag?
If you're not paying for the top tier $300+/y EV certificate you better pray your userbase is large enough to not get smart screen flagging
left sand
well that's by design
misty plover
Yeah and I hate the design
Esp since it doesn't deter malware authors, they all manage to sign their stuff
grim parcel
Wait, apple certs work for windows?? Or am I misunderstanding
no, i meant we got the ones from apple for macos instead
small sirenBOT
kind falcon
mafia
slender nexus
Meowfia
left sand
languid haven
looks like they're trying to crash players with object limit
limpid panther
Angela Collier is a TF2 fan confirmed
lets fucking gooo
@summer steeple also a bloons fan
summer steeple
who
rare creek
Idk either
limpid panther
a cool youtuber that does videos about physics and chemistry
next nymph
and just general science and/or academia sometimes too
tough locust
looks like they're trying to crash players with object limit
it usually just boots u from the server for some packet issue
small sirenBOT
livid oracle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SJsI5ATrxM
afaik this is caused by the fix for this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q0l0mRV7UC8
i talked to the person that made that vid and had then compare the version immediately before the patch vs the version immediately after
and it definitely seems to be that patch
rare creek
I kind of want to set my spray to the sexy lady calendars in tf2 just to see how many servers would ban me for a texture that's literally built into the game
paper sluice
No one will even notice the spray probably
half rose
this bot using autoteam macro
languid haven
this bot using autoteam macro
the what
rare creek
u cant change teams in casual
and you cant change teams in vsh even if it wasnt casual
limpid panther
what a great cover!
I wish they did the slow part too
the original slow part is so nostalgic, it would be perfect for tf2
tacit flare
I wish they did the slow part too
There's no way they could do the evil laugh Bo does justice. Don't blame them for not attempting.
limpid panther
There's no way they could do the evil laugh Bo does justice. Don't blame them fo...
he said he didnt don't he other part because he got into TF2 in 2016, so he didn't live throught the times people are nostalgic about
proper tangle
ayo this is fire
proper tangle
he said he didnt don't he other part because he got into TF2 in 2016, so he didn...
Only thing I'm nostalgic about back then was the optimism by the community
even when valve went silent most didn't care, the next update surelly is going to be a banger
game is always getting better, etc
NISLT, Muselk, Jerma, Ster
Not saying there isn't great content and great youtubers now
but just, the overall mood within the community
high current
Tbh the thing I’m nostalgic about was being shit at the game. Tf2 was my first real first person shooter and I had a lot of fun being shitty spy mains with my friends in middle school. Now I’ve graduated college and played several games at competition level and going negative in basically any game feels like a failure.
I picked up film photography recently as my outlet for having fun just by being entirely incompetent at something.
There’s something to be said about a singular game nearly being old enough to vote and having a community that has stuck with it since it came out or since it went f2p.
Or hell, there’s people in highschool playing the game competitively that didn’t exist when tf2 came out.
radiant merlin
summer steeple
tf2 died when it went free to play and let all the normies in
small sirenBOT
next nymph
the last time tf2 was good
languid haven
the last time tf2 was good
i would genuinely want valve to release that with a tf2 install so people can try out some older stuff they made.
not install both at the same time, just owning tf2 would make you own that kind of tf2.
zealous pond
I find this video offensive.
fleet kite
Seems to check out though
tough locust
even when valve went silent most didn't care, the next update surelly is going t...
i mean tf2 was banger after banger back then. Joined right before mvm came out and it was like mvm -> pyromania -> tons of average sized updates -> Helltower -> two cities -> LOVE AND WAR!!!!!!!! -> Bumper Car Scream Fortress -> end of the line (i liked the animation) -> gun mettle
Not to mention there was so much stuff being tested in the meantime like mannpower and asteroid, it never really felt like valve was ever going silent.
the first whispers i ever heard of "tf2 is falling off broze..." was when invasion came out. Invasion was the king of mid updates back then and it showed due to mismanagement and stuff. The first time people started to lose hope was when meet your match came out and everyone stopped playing on Valve servers and valve mysteriously disappeared for months. But even then everyone had hope that the next update would be better, and it was!! jungle inferno was pretty sick, though I would've appreciated it even more at the time had I known that was really it for big updates
jagged pawn
also if this is about player count v bot count I am so confident that he misrepresented it somehow lol
jagged pawn
i mean tf2 was banger after banger back then. Joined right before mvm came out a...
honestly all three community updates got dunked on pretty hard by the community, I think the reason you first started seeing it with invasion was because it had become a pattern by then and people were getting upset with how often it was happening
left sand
even when valve went silent most didn't care, the next update surelly is going t...
nah at the time people really really cared about valve going silent
even though they were releasing multiple big updates every year
small sirenBOT
rare creek
tf2 died shortly after they released the pyro update in 2008
zealous pond
Only thing I'm nostalgic about back then was the optimism by the community
I don't know what circles you were following, but there was a decent amount of negativity surrounding Valve from Pyromania onward.
All anyone did on SPUF was whine.
proper tangle
I mean, sure, there are still people that think even going fp2 was a mistake, not saying there wasn't any negativity, but the overall community was thriving
limpid panther
i mean tf2 was banger after banger back then. Joined right before mvm came out a...
I wish they went nuts and just expanded the bumper cars into an actual gamemode full of emergent gameplay options just like the base game
driving games are so boring
they need some more source jank
hoary geyser
tf2 died shortly after they released the pyro update in 2008
yeah it's sad, it seemed like it could have been a great game
grim parcel
tf2 is like quake
it'll never die
but
it's in hospice
a small dedicated group will still be grinding it, and a lot will still return every once in a while for nostalgia
but yk it's never going to be as popular as it once was or be up there with fortnite
not until the source 2 update anyways 
mystic turtle
well ofc
Unless a company flubbs up and pushes literal horseshit (Overwatch 2 on release, anyone?), TF2 is irrelevant against any modern shooter competition-wise
grim parcel
tf2 fans still bringing up the overwatch comparisons is amazing
mystic turtle
IDK that was the first thing I thought of
IDK why I didn't just pull COD Modern Warfare 3 smfh
grim parcel
i don't think that a new game having a bad launch really helps tf2
mystic turtle
It doesn't
I'm moreso saying that unless a shooter is junk
Which feeds folks using that argument
TF2 is practically irrelevant against them
gtg cya
languid haven
but yk it's never going to be as popular as it once was or be up there with fort...
fortnite is like roblox.
makes a shit ton of money, soulless, can't even say it's a game and no one liked the core mechanic but were too much of pussies to say the truth.
rare creek
online gaming is dead
actually fps games are dead
i will exclusively be playing btd6, slay the spire and geometry dash
languid haven
it's not dead, it's just really expensive to make and run the servers but the people who make them don't even like them.
every time something good comes along it gets bought out by a big corporation or is made into a big company that ends up making so much they don't have to do anything.
next nymph
i will exclusively be playing btd6, slay the spire and geometry dash
btd6 is like an fps
potent wolf
every time something good comes along it gets bought out by a big corporation or...
this may or may not describe tf2
rare creek
https://gamebanana.com/mods/206389 bomb shooter btd6
orchid sorrel
it's in hospice
kind of a bad analogy because hospice is preparing for death
next nymph
rare creek
next nymph
languid haven
this may or may not describe tf2
you mean it describes half life?
rare creek
i will boycott valve software by only pirating games
their launcher sucks anyways
300mb electron garbage
floral sandal
I know what I’m going to recreate using Vscript now
high current
well ofc
Unless a company flubbs up and pushes literal horseshit (Overwatch 2 o...
Tbh I can’t remember the last modern shooter that wasn’t absolute horse shit on release. The only thing about shooters that I know is going on right now is that overwatch 2 devs and tarkov devs are having a race to see who can kill their game the fastest.
I guess one of the cods probably released well, but I genuinely couldn’t tell you the name of any recent cod releases since World At War 2020+. idk if that’s even the name of one, it could have just been rumors.
mystic turtle
Tbh I can’t remember the last modern shooter that wasn’t absolute horse shit on ...
I see
I think I was moreso referring to the ones that got absolutely panned on release
but yes, as long as the quality is marginally good enough for gamers to suck it up and ignore it, the big game is always gonna perform better than the smaller one
and that's discounting TF2's preference for shotguns; I K there are too many lousy video essays about it but I feel it could be a turnoff for at least some
grim parcel
kind of a bad analogy because hospice is preparing for death
its like super long hospice
the community is just dragging around an almost dead body
small sirenBOT
grim parcel
but it is a fun dead body
summer steeple
||ignore the vinesauce audio ||
there's a shrek in his underwear just overlooking you in the waterpark
orchid sorrel
the shrek underwear overlord
slender nexus
its like super long hospice
so basically a retirement home
zealous pond
actually fps games are dead
Unironically true.
zealous pond
If I look up "200 killstreak" on YouTube the only results are for Roblox. Gaming ded.
jagged pawn
I wish they went nuts and just expanded the bumper cars into an actual gamemode ...
this is why gravestone is the best scream fortress map (you get to race the cars)
left sand
does anyone know how teamwork.tf gets valve server info now?
since the servers were moved to steam datagram?
oh they dont
rare creek
TF2 stocks after this video 📉📉📉
jagged pawn
teamwork.tf is no longer actively maintained, and most of the site has deteriorated to the point of not working. it would be insane to base any serious claims off of its data
jagged pawn
yeah it's still there but try using half of its features
ah yes the #1 official map, mvm_coaltown_over
rare creek
it's true
left sand
its so over
orchid sorrel
what the hell is coaltown_over
jagged pawn
exactly
slender nexus
whar
oak canyon
teamwork.tf is no longer actively maintained, and most of the site has deteriora...
Doesn't it also compare player numbers differently compared to steam charts?
jagged pawn
yes
summer steeple
thats intentional though
they were more interested in how many people were playing on a server, rather than just in tf2
left sand
it's also incorrect
jagged pawn
^
jagged pawn
super niche question, but does anyone know when tf2_playerstats.dmx broke? it seems like a really cool time capsule for old data, but I can't figure out exactly when it stopped working. my best guess is that it broke with casual
summer steeple
hmmmm i did a tiny bit of research and some of my map playtime from maps prior to MyM isn't there either
i didn't play as much as i do now, so i'm not sure how true it is that I didn't play those maps while it was functional
jagged pawn
yeah I was mainly just wondering for the map data, it's cool to see what maps I liked the most when I was a kid (they were basically all attack/defend)
these are all my maps over 20k seconds
Dustbowl: 84447 (23.5 hours)
Gorge: 61449 (17.1 hours)
Upward: 47187 (13.1 hours)
Egypt: 41532 (11.5 hours)
Steel: 34060 (9.5 hours)
Gravel Pit: 33999 (9.4 hours)
Mountain Lab: 31103 (8.6 hours)
Harvest: 28206 (7.8 hours)
Gold Rush: 26141 (7.3 hours)
Doomsday: 24737 (6.9 hours)
Nucleus: 24638 (6.8 hours)
Badlands: 20924 (5.8 hours)
Junction: 20746 (5.8 hours)
my guess is that I just kept choosing attack/defend in quickplay and barely ever tried anything else lmao
foggy frost
will the 64 bit tweaked config release have a sizable uplift or is it mostly QOL and some "free" graphical improvements?
tough locust
super niche question, but does anyone know when tf2_playerstats.dmx broke? it se...
i think there's one that you can see with steam achievement manager though idk if its not just the exact same stats from this file
kinda shocked that 2fort isnt up there, ik 2fort and turbine would be my number one by a MILE out of the official maps when I started out
rare creek
left sand
spare obsidian
the video ain't bad too
potent wolf
since the servers were moved to steam datagram?
is it possible to do that now?
left sand
i assume theyre just using matchmaking population data
because they only show per gamemode results
left sand
no afaik
misty plover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eDaG1uR5T4
Surprisingly good video for McVicker
misty plover
Well researched too
languid haven
If i deleted everything in my maps folder, you think it'd just download it if a server needs me to have it?
i don't need a majority of the maps and they just take up space so why not?
hoary geyser
It seems to just throw an error if you don't have a map
languid haven
when do you really get to play all those maps? especially holiday ones? those all have to add up. why not have a way to download it when you need them from tf2 and add a command to download all maps at once for people with server hosting?
hoary geyser
It seems to just throw an error if you don't have a map
languid haven
yeah i know
grim parcel
when do you really get to play all those maps? especially holiday ones? those al...
they do this for community servers
but i mean official maps
yeah
you probably shouldn’t need to download them just to join a game
it’s not like tf2 is a big install anyways
hoary geyser
for a 2007 game it's pretty big lol
but yeah it's not that large overall, although if someone is pushed for space it's not tiny
grim parcel
isn’t it like 20gb?
summer steeple
my steam says 26.21GB
idk if that includes the custom folder
no it does not
valve could shrimply reduce the filesize by going back through every official map and painstakingly finding spots where lightmaps are not needed and changing a face to nodraw or increase the luxel scale, and then compile the map and repack it
eternal haven
I mean there's a lot of stuff that's just not used
I think all the hl2 stuff is in tf2 even though only a little of it's used
clearly the size of the game isn't that much of a concern for valve, and if it was, I don't think they'd start addressing it by changing maps
summer steeple
valve didn't start removing HL2 content from their games until like... portal 2
and at this point enough community content (and sometimes official valve content) relies on it that it'd be annoying to a lot of people to remove it
slender nexus
also large drives are so prolific now that if you're pressed for space, the easiest way would be to just buy more of it than wait for devs to reduce it
you can get 120gb ssds for 20 dollars in most places
summer steeple
I think there is a bit of a concern with maps getting bigger and bigger now, alongside the fact that a lot of maps share content which is packed within them
rare creek
just download more storage https://github.com/IridiumIO/CompactGUI
summer steeple
for example, VSH has all of its audio files packed into every map
rare creek
source games compress very well
with basically zero cpu cost
tf2 goes down to about 16gb
summer steeple
additionally, these settings are nice
idk what they consider "poorly compressed" in tf2
grim parcel
valve could shrimply reduce the filesize by going back through every official ma...
maybe they could use https://github.com/treacherousfiend/LightmapUtil
grim parcel
just download more storage https://github.com/IridiumIO/CompactGUI
why is this an app
summer steeple
grim parcel
how is it different from the built in compression in newer versions of windows
summer steeple
its not
it just has a bit more functionality in that it keeps track of before/after sizes and can skip formats which do not compress well
eternal haven
tf2 goes down to about 16gb
Even less, isn't the steam download for it like 10gb?
left sand
compress.exe is different
rare creek
Even less, isn't the steam download for it like 10gb?
the steam download is compressed way more, that's why steam uses a ridiculous amount of cpu (close to 100% if you have fast internet) when you download stuff
eternal haven
My bad didn't read the whole conversation thought you were talking about the download
not the windows NTFS thing
summer steeple
I mean if you think about it, the most noticeable thing to people downloading games is the time it takes, so steam might as well compress things for the people with limited internet access
as a sidenote i like compressgui because it keeps track of the folders you have compressed and tells you if the files changed to become uncompressed (because compress.exe is a one time thing unfortunately)
uh, oops
rare creek
no not since summer of last year
i installed custom animations for sniper and my game crashed like 2 minutes after i entered casual
wispy meteor
Is there a new benchmark for 64 bit version or i need to do it by myself
summer steeple
to my knowledge we're currently using shounic's benchmark
its on the docs somewhere
wispy meteor
Ye i found it right now xD
languid haven
this place was getting to quiet
kind falcon
god bless getchoo
tough locust
i installed custom animations for sniper and my game crashed like 2 minutes afte...
WTF try to put the following commands in ur autoexec
cl_always_flush_models 0
mod_load_anims_async 0
mod_load_mesh_async 0
mod_load_vcollide_async 0
mod_touchalldata 1
mod_forcetouchdata 0
mod_forcedata 1
mod_lock_mdls_on_load 1
or overrides.cfg or whatevr if ur using mastercomfig
rare creek
r u sure those even do anything
tough locust
valve could shrimply reduce the filesize by going back through every official ma...
they could save space by adding the VSH/zombie infection assets to the base game so thatthey don't have to be duplicated inside the file for every single map
tough locust
r u sure those even do anything
positive i had to trial and error test these out for multiple days back when scream fortress broke preloading
though custom animations need to be preloaded by going into itemtest or something when u boot
rare creek
why
tough locust
bc sv_pure still blocks them but if you load animations in beforehand they won't get overwritten
high current
They should really add a means for vscript assets accepted into the official game to being stored in a universal-ish capacity.
Like currently vsh hud assets are a per-map basis, even though they’re basically the same between maps since they’re made by the same team. If they followed the precedent set with community hats and had like a resource/ui/workshop file then you could share assets between maps of the same gamemode. Making the mapper’s job easier, the file sizes smaller, hud devs jobs easier, and everyone’s life easier with a bit more initial investment.
I used huds as an example here because I work with huds and it seems like a pretty big part of new vscript modes. But same applies to other assets. I know there’s some physical map assets that get absorbed into the generalized map making arsenal, but it’d be nice at a broader scope.
tough locust
it's annoying too because the resources in maps override everything else even if it's in your custom folder so you can't edit the sounds or Hud or anything
left sand
maps need to be vpks like source 2
but i dont think source 1 can easily get the addons system
high current
Maps should be .wav format
rare creek
left 4 dead 2 addon
lusty ice
Not sure what you mean by "addon system". L4D uses those VPK addons.
But I guess you're talking about something else.
left sand
yeah l4d addon system would be nice too
but im talking about the new content structure they have in source 2
i guess it's probably an extension of l4d
summer steeple
like with the addition of vscript gamemodes we now have to deal with every map in VSH getting updated when the gamemode gets updated
waste of time
and bandwidth
tough locust
maps need to be vpks like source 2
would this change much all I know is that source 2 maps use up a ridiculous amount of space
balmy root
did Valve talk about BSP maps compatibility in Source 2?
tough locust
https://tropic-crisis.tf2maps.net/
cute I'm glad that they're not trying the """community update"""" thing anymore and instead just making a really good reasonable pack of themed maps, I'd love to see some of these in game this summer
there's so many good maps that dropped this week though I wonder what will get in
summer steeple
would this change much all I know is that source 2 maps use up a ridiculous amou...
that’s not because of the file format that’s due to how much actual content is stored in them
heavy solarBOT
@summer steeple has leveled up! (82 ➜ 83)
balmy root
cute I'm glad that they're not trying the """community update"""" thing anymore ...
Brazilium!
Cuba Grandiosa
high current
cute I'm glad that they're not trying the """community update"""" thing anymore ...
I just hope I get to play one of the maps added this summer before the bots render all new maps unplayable…
Did anything ever come of the bot hoster dox? Was it just a fake publicity stunt like everyone thought?
tough locust
last summer the maps were mostly fine except for Venice, seemed like the bots were specifically targeting that map last time
kind falcon
Did anything ever come of the bot hoster dox? Was it just a fake publicity stunt...
the person that tried to dox one left their internet persona and promised to come back as an overwatch meme account
tough locust
Did anything ever come of the bot hoster dox? Was it just a fake publicity stunt...
even if something like that is real what would happen it's just a guy hosting cheat bots I don't think that's illegal
high current
even if something like that is real what would happen it's just a guy hosting ch...
It might not be illegal but it’s definitely prosecutable in a civil court. Valve could sue the person for potential lost revenue, which at valves scale would be all the possessions of the bot hoster and their entire family lineage.
high current
the person that tried to dox one left their internet persona and promised to com...
Sounds about right tbh.
high current
their zoophile friend got doxxed, too
Also sounds about right
tough locust
I think that's a little harsh for someone hosting tf2 bots
kind falcon
dear peach,
you care about playing the videogame too much
sincerely, me
high current
Eh. Make an example out of them. If you enjoy ruining the hobbies of tens of thousands of people then I think getting sued into poverty is fair
It’s also most likely explicitly against TOS of valves games, but I haven’t read it so I would know or really care. But yeh valve could absolutely do something about it
Beyond just the copy pasta of “kernal level anticheat” like our lord and savior, valorant (sarcasm)
tough locust
id rather the bot hosters not be able to host the bots but I don't rlly want them to be tortured for being a bored teenager circumventing valve's badly programmed anti cheat. it should be on valve to prevent them from cheating anyway it's not like it's all the work of one mastermind
high current
I doubt they’re a bored teenager
tough locust
one guy gets horribly effed in the a and then a dozen bot hosters pop up anyway to take his place but stay anonymous
reasonable punishment is to just vac ban the accounts including his main account but that requires valve to actually do a manual ban wave again
high current
Eh. If you make an example of one people tend to be a lot less audacious. Doesn’t stop everyone but they at least spend more effort looking over their shoulder when they do it
kind falcon
lusty ice
Blizzard sued cheat/bot-makers in the past and I don't think it solved the problem.
(For Overwatch.)
high current
Anticheat is kinda a futile effort, you gotta make the gain of cheating less worth the risk. Currently it’s 0 risk and basically all reward.
kind falcon
whats the reward
balmy root
are there any problems with having mat_aaquality set to any other value than 0?
high current
Aaquality does nothing
tough locust
Anticheat is kinda a futile effort, you gotta make the gain of cheating less wor...
the risk is losing your account I don't think they need a machine that chops off your balls and throws them in a woodchipper if you cheat in a video game
high current
What if the person doesn’t care about their account though?
It’s like suspending a kid from school for skipping class
high current
the risk is losing your account I don't think they need a machine that chops off...
Bet they wouldn’t cheat though👀
tough locust
are there any problems with having `mat_aaquality` set to any other value than `...
i don't know much but iirc but 0 and 1 do the same thing (keeps whatever aa setting youre already using) but if you set it to 2 it does some more stuff. TF2 never goes past 1 by default tho
tough locust
It’s like suspending a kid from school for skipping class
i don't know it's a free video game there will always be cheaters
small sirenBOT
balmy root
i don't know much but iirc but 0 and 1 do the same thing (keeps whatever aa sett...
TF2 does not use this convar explicitly AFAIK
it is most used to force a "game" reload (I believe it's a material system reload)
tough locust
toggle mat_aaquality 0 1 is a good way to reload the material system without changing any anti aliasing settings or dxlevel
balmy root
mostly used by custom HUDs
balmy root
toggle mat_aaquality 0 1 is a good way to reload the material system without cha...
yes
sterile ferry
toggle mat_aaquality 0 1 is a good way to reload the material system without cha...
what benefit is there to realoding it
balmy root
what I'm unsure about is whether there would be any performance problem in playing with this ConVar at a value other than 0
balmy root
what benefit is there to realoding it
fix HUD bugs or test live changes
there are some things that hud_reloadscheme alone doesn't reload properly
sterile ferry
for the first one does hud_reloadscheme not work aswell? or is a material system reload better
oh
tough locust
what benefit is there to realoding it
custom huds need it for main menu stuff like the thing that dims the screen when you click "find a game", I use it for preloading mods in casual
balmy root
the dim is cursed
even toggling mat_aaquality sometimes it just reappears
I like flawhud's approach to accomodate the HUD to fit within the dim
next nymph
for the first one does hud_reloadscheme not work aswell? or is a material system...
reloadscheme doesn't reload everything, just most things. Refreshing the entire rendering system will reload basically everything except scheme files
ie. main menu
sterile ferry
so it could be used to fix the budhud missing ammo thing
cuz iirc hud_reloadscheme doesnt
next nymph
missing ammo is not specific to any custom hud and can happen with default. The fix is you need to inspect a player or weapon or something
high current
I don’t think toggling aaquality fixes that either. And it’s not a budhud issue it’s just a hud issue in general
tough locust
missing ammo is not specific to any custom hud and can happen with default. The ...
most annoying bug in TF2 IMO
sterile ferry
missing ammo is not specific to any custom hud and can happen with default. The ...
makes sense but i was most used to seeing it with budhud
high current
I haven’t seen it in a while tbh
sterile ferry
i mean its not really common
next nymph
it's related to the inspect panel getting in a funky state. If you never use it then you wont get it iirc
sterile ferry
does inspectign it again fix it
next nymph
it's been years so I'm going off of memory, but I believe so
small sirenBOT
sterile ferry
now i must remember this for a month until it happens again
orchid sorrel
does inspectign it again fix it
Typically yes
high current
PearForceOne is a GREAT name. I approve
spare obsidian
damn
next nymph
PearForceOne is a GREAT name. I approve
counterargument: its really close to perforce
jagged pawn
wait we're doing tropic again? isn't this just mayann 2?
high current
I’m looking for the ancient Puebloan themed update.
That’d actually be bad ass, you could have a stone village carved into a sandstone cave as a section of a map, with dynamic irrigation canals as another feature. But no one is nerdy enough for that :(
jagged pawn
also lol the salvador creator must be asleep, it's still marked private
summer willow
i need brazil in tf2
jagged pawn
summer willow
i never understood this maps because it has nothing about brazil
zealous pond
Cradle from GoldenEye.
balmy root
https://tenor.com/view/ip-grabber-ip-grabber-thanos-gif-21846609
indeed
radiant merlin
standin may be the only map where you can hear the chainlink footsteps
small sirenBOT
radiant merlin
actually no lol, it uses "metal" as surfaceprop
high current
Aw sad. I was looking forward to hearing metal footsteps and having an obscure piece of trivia.
radiant merlin
only 2 materials use "chainlink" in tf2
high current
I’ll have to go on a scavenger hunt.
radiant merlin
i just found that mvm has some sort of "casual bypass" protection?
summer steeple
wdym casual bypass
radiant merlin
custom sounds in casual
kind falcon
custom sounds in casual
wym
rare creek
they should just remove sv pure
potent wolf
they should just remove sv pure
they should just remove tf2 from your computer
eternal haven
I heard there's mods on gamebanana that bypass it so it doesn't really do anything anymore
orchid sorrel
particle mods cany be bypassed afaik
tough locust
i just found that mvm has some sort of "casual bypass" protection?
no it doesn't it just uses level_sounds_mvm.txt which overrides all the game_sounds_weapons.txt. it just means you have to edit that sound script as well. found out about it a few days ago and showed it to flpstrike idk why people didn't try it out B4 tho
Idk why MvMs sound script overrides everything else though
jagged pawn
34 minutes just to say "yes"
spare obsidian
gotta squish the renew
kind falcon
34 minutes just to say "yes"
no
burnt dragon
34 minutes just to say "yes"
I enjoy the stalemate like back and forth of teams
I always felt thats the actual core gameplay
and whoever pushes more wins or whichever team weakens first loses
languid haven
Like a tug of war
Also surprised they're more angry about stalemates than the fact a scout can cap faster then the time to spawn or for a heavy to spawn in and walk out.
mystic turtle
so, er
@next nymph , recently I was thinking about trying to see if I could get flat-textured weapons in TF2, and I was wondering if I could somehow manipulate the CleanTF2+ script to reprocess those textures
Sure, it sounds stupid (and would probably take away all detail from weapons) but I'm kinda of interested in it
next nymph
you could, there's a list of textures to grab when flattening and you could just modify that list
your mileage may vary on it doing anything in sv_pure though
mystic turtle
your mileage may vary on it doing anything in sv_pure though
yea, I was sort of expecting that; without that casual bypass for custom textures/models we'd have to settle for grainy-looking guns, what with viewmodels being up in your face and all
but heck, if I figure out how to get that working and scripted I might just drop a pull request your way
livid oracle
34 minutes just to say "yes"
i think this guy is an actual 6s player ive seen his name around when looking for deranged posts to laugh at in tftv (the only good way to use it)
im guessing its just clearing up a misconception about what "5cp has a flaw with stalemates" actually mean
like most casual players that complain about how 6s only uses 5cp thinks it means
like it means literally that 5cp has the Stalemate round outcome
so they go and suggest payload or a/d as gamemodes that dont have that issue
livid oracle
i think this guy is an actual 6s player ive seen his name around when looking fo...
god this reminds me of how this server was like 4+ years ago
small sirenBOT
livid oracle
most of the ppl here were tftv guys
jagged pawn
yeah he is and I'm subbed to him I just thought the length of the video was funny
this was definitely one of his more rambly videos for what is a very easy thing to explain
livid oracle
this was definitely one of his more rambly videos for what is a very easy thing ...
is it just
"pushing into last can be hard"
or like "a team with a point advantage can just stall the game instead of pushing"
jagged pawn
no he started talking about how it's more of a config issue (in competitive, the ruleset is usually what causes the problem, because in most regions doing absolutely nothing is a win condition if you're already in the lead)
oh yeah the second thing you said, sorry I was still typing
this is already solved in NA though so idk why he was blaming the issue on that
livid oracle
or like "a team with a point advantage can just stall the game instead of pushin...
so this?
jagged pawn
ye
potent wolf
another user trolled by shounic demos
mystic turtle
#1019788401588830249
but I highly doubt demos can change settings, especially changes that persist after the playback finishes
potent wolf
they do
potent wolf
yeah it's really stupid
wispy meteor
Ye strange
potent wolf
#1072696252162117752 message can someone try this demo and see if it has the same issue?
radiant merlin
summer steeple
kinda surprised they made their own plugin instead of building on a pre-existing one
still extremely neat
limpid panther
https://fxtwitter.com/NoVIcE_Source/status/1786844695533875286
omg I was about to link fiend to this
summer steeple
well I do use blender, but i don't use photoshop
altho tbh, I think there's too many source addons for blender lol
there's like 20 of them
some of which with similar functionality
unborn pecan
https://fxtwitter.com/NoVIcE_Source/status/1786844695533875286
this is cool
blender is so cool....
fiender
summer steeple
definitely seems nice for iteration
although there is a part of me that cringes seeing someone change a mesh after there's already a finished texture uvmapped onto it
like no
thats how you get inconsistent texels
you either do multiple materials procedurally and apply them to the mesh and bake that down later, or finish the model and then do the texture
left sand
summer steeple
what did coms mean by this
unborn pecan
big monitor are turning us into prey with widescreen
jagged pawn
what does that make 21:9
rare creek
if you're not on 3:2 you're not gaming right
languid haven
This doesn't takee into account a trex
left sand
trex doesnt exist
languid haven
i'm actually more surprised you didn't use curved screens as an example though since those make more sense.
next nymph
what did coms mean by this
summer steeple
https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Predator
https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Prey
ok thank you
misty plover
34 minutes just to say "yes"
I like the push and pull tug of war of 5 though
My favorite moments in tf2 are when roughly equal teams are pushing and fighting for one to come out on top
jagged pawn
I mean I didn't say it was bad but it's obviously flawed
koth and stopwatch have inherent win conditions that have to be met in a reasonable amount of time, because one of the teams' timer will hit zero at some point. 5cp and ctf don't have this
misty plover
True but then you also have the issue that teams may want to continue to fight it out
Psure extend current map is disabled on casual now
Tbh the gamemode should have some limit though
jagged pawn
oh I mean that's a casual issue, it should simply not force you to stare at the scoreboard every other match
misty plover
Tbh the casual environment is all I'm interested in
They need to make more improvements there than anywhere else
jagged pawn
yeah real
tacit flare
Psure extend current map is disabled on casual now
If it wasn't, every server would be 24/7 2fort, with no round timer.
Why doesn't CTF have a round time?
jagged pawn
I mean idk if this is overly speculative but I've always felt like ctf was meant to be a longer experience
tacit flare
You must finish the round to complete this contract.
jagged pawn
big maps, lots of paths, intel is super far back so it's really hard to get
like every map other than turbine is pretty clearly designed to take a long time
tacit flare
Also, wtf is with your team getting crits when you cap? Capping means you've successfully broken their defence and they're scrambling to rebuild it.
"Lol we capped, time to smash your barely setup defence with 5 seconds of crits."
jagged pawn
yeahhhh that part's always been weird. only thing I can think of is that it's meant to encourage people to care about their intel getting capped
like if you're fighting someone random and you see the intel get snagged, you need to do something about it otherwise you're about to take 20 crits to the head
obviously this is a bad method but I think it's a threat basically
eternal haven
Could someone explain result id 227 in the mastercomfig benchmarks airtable
It's not clear to me
summer steeple
looks like essentially the bare minimum settings on dx8 with a powerful cpu
altho idk what the hell is up with their launch options lmao
small sirenBOT
eternal haven
It should be around 700 fps max on benchmark test with that hardware
I don't understand how they supposedly get 1000
eternal haven
That doesn't have too much of an effect when you have a normal gpu
summer steeple
idk then, its the biggest outlier in terms of settings ¯_(ツ)_/¯
eternal haven
going from 1080p to 640x480 on a modern nvidia gpu is usually only about a 5-10% improvement I would say (assuming dx8 low settings)