no crates or anything.
#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year
languid haven
jagged pawn
the paint cans are for smissmas
summer steeple
no, paints can drop
jagged pawn
oh? interesting
languid haven
nope they just drop randomly like weapons and tags.
jagged pawn
I've only ever gotten them from the smissmas gifts
summer steeple
its a prietty limited number that can drop
languid haven
its a prietty limited number that can drop
they also have a chance of not being tradeable
which is kinda fucking stupid for cases
summer steeple
looking at the wiki its like
- zepheniah's greed (dark green)
- ye olde rustic colour (light brown)
- Color No. 216-190-216 (light pink)
- Australium Gold
- Radigan Conagher Brown
- Aged Mustache Grey
- Peculiarly Drab Tincture (sorta cream colored?)
- Noble Hatter's Violet
- Muskelmannbraun (orangey-brown)
- A deep commitment to purple
- Mann Co. Orange
- Indubitably Green
summer steeple
they also have a chance of not being tradeable
thats only the smissmas ones i thought
huh it looks like the only ones that drop are the original paints they added
anything they added afterwards, including all the team colored paints, don't drop
languid haven
thats only the smissmas ones i thought
fuck no it's not ALL RANDOM DROPS have this
summer steeple
i've never seen that
languid haven
i have 2 non-tradeable rocket jumpers
summer steeple
not saying it doesn't exist, just that i've never seen it
cursive peak
Did they drop while you were F2P?
summer steeple
lmao i'm looking at an old forum post where someone asked robin walker about painting weapons
in 2010 people were whining about the artstyle
nothing has changed
languid haven
Did they drop while you were F2P?
let me see if backpack tf says. i think it stores data on it
languid haven
Did they drop while you were F2P?
my mistake, they were gifted
wait why are warpaint weapons untradable?
oh cristmas right
oh my paints weren't random drops, they were gifted but it doesn't say by whom.
high current
I never got a dueling minigame drop in my life. Then I bought 100 of them for $1 total and now there’s like a 33% chance I get one as a drop every time I complete a duel (mind you there’s 5 uses per item), plus I get them as random drops
I think I have more than 100 now.
summer steeple
CRINGE!
languid haven
did someone make an article on the tf2 wiki on themself?
languid haven
anyways do you guys think Concheror's health regeneration and Gas Passer's gas should be fixed to not reset or ignite when 0 damage is dealt?
seems dumb that the rocket jump can affect those
jagged pawn
jim discovers profiles
jagged pawn
anyways do you guys think Concheror's health regeneration and Gas Passer's gas s...
conch I kinda agree but the gas passer one is funny
languid haven
comp is unlocked? i never bought the thing
sterile ferry
u dont need to buy it
languid haven
u dont need to buy it
when did it go free?
sterile ferry
idk why its even possible to buy it the unlock reqs are like level 3 in casual, verified phone on steam and smth else, maybe tf2 premium
sterile ferry
when did it go free?
idk been so as long as i can remember so like 2019 at least
sterile ferry
idk why its even possible to buy it the unlock reqs are like level 3 in casual, ...
ok yea 3rd requirement is in fact premium tf2 account
still makes no sense why its possible to buy a comp pass instead of that if tf2 prem is infinitely more useful
languid haven
lvl 60 casual, already had premium for a decade or 2 and you can't trade without mobile authenticator.
it only now has ever unlocked.
wait
sterile ferry
🤷♂️
languid haven
no it unlocked when someone had me join their party and said " i'm gonna queue for comp"
which was proably a week ago
was comp just bugged for me this whole time or do you need to join someone else who has comp to get it? i'm so fucking confused
languid haven
gonna have a brainblast if i don't stop thinking about it
misty plover
This was my original theory but there's a function call that should have 0 init'd the boolean returned with memset
Unless that was removed at some point
.
Everything else seems to have properly initialized data
Idk I will not code a memreader just for this someone else can do that
grim parcel
im gonna krum
spare obsidian
does source engine uses freetype?
balmy root
does source engine uses freetype?
I think this is up for your OS to decide (ClearType on Windows, FreeType on Linux, IDoNotKnowType on MacOS)
balmy root
their ass goes kaboooooooooooooom
potent wolf
This was my original theory but there's a function call that should have 0 init'...
If i'm reading it correctly, CTraceSolver::SweepSingleConvex has a bunch of paths where m_trace isn't cleared/initialized
and in CTraceSolver::DoSweep, m_trace is copied to the trace_t provided in the constructor of CTraceSolver
so the clear in IsBoxIntersectingCone ends up being useless since it's entirely overwritten
potent wolf
If i'm reading it correctly, `CTraceSolver::SweepSingleConvex` has a bunch of pa...
more specifically the paths where it returns false
potent wolf
its unitialized memory :D
misty plover
its unitialized memory :D
Epic
potent wolf
I even wrote a stupid script to "fix" it on old versions 
misty plover
I love c++
potent wolf
haven't checked 64bit yet, but it may just be getting lucky with stack layout
tough locust
in *2010* people were whining about the artstyle
that was the entire reason demopan became a meme. pretty sure the original pic was something like "this is now the face of TF2" since even robin walker thought the dangeresque glasses of all things were too "out there"
https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/ensgh/the_new_face_of_tf2/ post in question:
you can get them from halloween contracts and transmutes nowadays, you haven't been able to get tradable halloween items since merasmissions in 2015. It's a good tradeoff to get wayy more halloween items i guess because even in 2014 you could get maybe 3 hats TOPS for all of halloween because they used gift boxes that would spawn in the map to get actual hats
misty plover
Every day I get to post the line is a good day :)
summer steeple
decided to tru and put a bit of work into my custom hud
turns out my mockups were on my harddrive that died
luckily, i posted them here so i could find them again :)
potent wolf
comfig discord is the ultimate backup solution
summer steeple
true
misty plover
The biggest reason I don't really run backups is cause all my data is replaceable from discord
summer steeple
i mean I unfortunately no longer have the actual krita file i was making these in
misty plover
I've considered making a hud
summer steeple
so the shapes I was using to make distance alpha masks (what the default tf2 hud uses to make the shapes on the hud appear sharp at all resolutions) are gone
misty plover
But my design skills do not transfer to games
misty plover
so the shapes I was using to make distance alpha masks (what the default tf2 hud...
RIP
summer steeple
at the very least I can recreate them with these mockups
misty plover
so the shapes I was using to make distance alpha masks (what the default tf2 hud...
"distance alpha masks" Wait are they using sdfs for hud elements I didn't know that
summer steeple
ye
i didn't realize they used it for anything other than the spy outline at first
but no they actually use it on most of the ingame hud panels
misty plover
That's actually really interesting
summer steeple
so the hud looks nice and sharp even at 4k
misty plover
I thought they'd be using normal svgs or smth
summer steeple
nah i don't think source supports svg
which like, arguably might be better than sdf
oh my god
so when i re-downloaded my mockups i left discord links to the posts they're from so i can reference feedback
but its fucking opening them in my browser
instead of discord
i hate it
why doesn't discord have a protocol like steam does
misty plover
potent wolf
LOL
paper sluice
can you do thirdperson mayamode,.,
potent wolf
thirdperson mayamode and look at the camera
livid oracle
A mere 4000 lines
what the fuck is this
potent wolf
go go gadget medic trapper
misty plover
what the fuck is this
More lines
balmy root
funny hitsound
livid oracle
where is this from btw
summer steeple
tf2maps
rare creek
wait sio you're telling me thar the only tf2 dev wehave left is a furyr
livid oracle
google.com/tf2maps
what the fuck is this
rare creek
the *contractor* however, is a furry i believe
wemust protect the furries at all costs...
what doez this mean
livid oracle
rayne has a specific suspicion about a certain valve employee and former tf2 dev
livid oracle
this is him
this is true
summer steeple
what the fuck is this
i don't remember
rare creek
rayne has a specific suspicion about a certain valve employee and former tf2 dev
i dont understn d
crisp cedar
rayne has a specific suspicion about a certain valve employee and former tf2 dev
why do you lie
languid haven
this is him
cute oc, needs a better artstyle though
livid oracle
does it also exist in CTFWeaponBase?
small sirenBOT
livid oracle
The flamethrower itself handles all of its own airblast logic
a bunch of it is in CTFWeaponBase::DeflectProjectiles
which is kinda weird
idk if htey moved all of it to CTFFlameThrower in JI though
misty plover
Player deflection is all in the flamethrower
livid oracle
huh there's CTFWeaponBase::GetDeflectionSize
which i assume doesn't get used in the new airblast
misty plover
It was used in the old one for players
livid oracle
uses CTFFlameThrower::GetDeflectionRadius now
misty plover
Funky
livid oracle
yeah it's defined in the weapon base
misty plover
You know I am genuinely terrified of the airblast dashing stuff in the files
livid oracle
seems completely unused
misty plover
Yeah
livid oracle
is there an item attribute that enables it?
misty plover
Its all hidden behind staging
You can apply the attribute to give dashes but won't do anything
Too lazy to figure out how its intended to work but if its moving the pyro backwards from where they look that'd be terrifying lol
livid oracle
there's server plugins that have airblast jumping but it's unpredicted and feels awful
just like FaN jumping
misty plover
Too lazy to figure out how its intended to work but if its moving the pyro backw...
Deranged lunatic dashes off a rocket going flying across the map to hit you with the axe
misty plover
just like FaN jumping <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
FaN is NOT a real weapon
livid oracle
do you wanna see something fucked up
jarate/mad milk also uses UTIL_EntitiesInSphere
there's this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hYZbyUK170
but if you watch the vid
it's obviously not a sphere, right?
like you can even see it from the thumbnail
am i going insane
jagged pawn
wait I never noticed this lmao why does he use a sphere visualization
that's very clearly not accurate now that you point it out
livid oracle
im going fucking insane
@misty plover help
i need a 3rd person to say that that's clearly not a sphere
jagged pawn
I can make a second account if you want
jagged pawn
this is how we nerf them
literally just make the hit detection functional
and now you can't coat an entire team for free
livid oracle
sigsegv also got trolled by the fact it's called UTIL_EntitiesInSphere
misty plover
<@105806194563665920> help
What the fuck
What the fuck what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck
livid oracle
it's still a cube
summer steeple
bruh
misty plover
WHY IS IT A CUBE??
summer steeple
its faster
even though uh, spheres are distance checks
but sure
idk maybe AABB is still faster
livid oracle
livid oracle
im gonna throw up
misty plover
Absolutely vile
summer steeple
god this is so fucking funny
like there's no check here
they just run a box test
jagged pawn
AAAAAAAAAAAAA
jagged pawn
does anyone know whose fault this is and also what their home address is
misty plover
Not even worth fixing either ig
summer steeple
like its not just me right this would be slower than just checking a sphere anyway
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
jagged pawn
WHY
WHY
WHY
the only reason I can think of
and this is a stretch
is that, since jarate breaks on the floor generally, they didn't want people near the edge to be able to jump to avoid it?
but there's no way right
jagged pawn
I see!
my fault for trying to make sense of it I will not do that in the future
wait so then what else is affected by this
based on the fact that you said that I assume it's a lot of things?
livid oracle
everything except blast damage afaik
explosions definitely are spheres
i've tested that a bunch before
i would assume taunt kills with a "radius" are affected
misty plover
I hate this
.
misty plover
i would assume taunt kills with a "radius" are affected
Check the rainblower then?
But I'm pretty sure it radiuses properly
livid oracle
it might be using the blast damage function then
i do know it has the same weird properties that explosions have
summer steeple
just looking at it right now:
HL2 AI behavior, some physics entities, Merasmus grenade removal (idk what this is?), dispenser radius, something with the passtime ball(?), nearly every single spell, jetpack stun (airblast on land?), jarate, projectile destruction on minigun in mvm, explosive headshot
livid oracle
with the halving damage shit
summer steeple
a lot of these probably use it for a general radius and then do more specific checks
livid oracle
explosive headshot isn't using blast damage?
summer steeple
nope
livid oracle
hmm, dispenser radius is probably the easiest to test
summer steeple
explosive headshot is just direct damage to enemies based on radius from headshotted enemy
misty plover
just looking at it right now:
HL2 AI behavior, some physics entities, Merasmus g...
"Merasmus grenade removal" Cleanup for bombs merrasmus spawns maybe??
summer steeple
no they specifically have a comment that says "Remove the enemy pipe"
summer steeple
but it checks for the entity flag for FL_GRENADE
which i'm not sure pills use?
thats like, what grenades in HL and CS use
misty plover
Wtf
misty plover
Gordon freeman ONE VERSUS ONES Merasmus and OWNS him EPIC STYLE
jagged pawn
I'm like 90% sure dispenser radius is a cube, I feel like I've seen that one tested before
summer steeple
huh and the removal happens when merasmus gets revealed when you break his prop
summer steeple
so when will the healing debuff on Dragon's furry be fixed?
what healing debuff
like the on-fire healing debuff?
half rose
yes
summer steeple
thats intended
half rose
jagged pawn
yes that's how afterburn works
are you saying that it doesn't do this on the dragon's fury
half rose
yeah
jagged pawn
oh then yeah they're weird about that for some reason
flares don't work right either
summer steeple
thats interesting
jagged pawn
I knew about the flare bug, didn't know it also applied to df
misty plover
Doesn't the affect of that scale with afterburn duration?
jagged pawn
makes it sound almost intentional since they're both single fire
misty plover
Or smth?
jagged pawn
Doesn't the affect of that scale with afterburn duration?
no it's always 50% from most sources
and then it also completely disables payload cart healing for some reason
half rose
Doesn't the affect of that scale with afterburn duration?
does not apply to afterburn, only when are attacking.
misty plover
Hm
summer steeple
interesting, it seems that the scotres and quickiebomb enemy sticky destruction also uses the sphere check
half rose
Only applies when attack with a flamethrower.
jagged pawn
oh my god lol
summer steeple
guys i figured out why valve did this box check
its a doom reference
where explosions are squares
misty plover
Only applies when attack with a flamethrower.
Adds the cond when CTFFlameEntity collides with a player
jagged pawn
https://youtu.be/GxE1FLslMb8?si=CEf05t7Lga0tPu3z&t=259
this isn't what I was questioning I believed you about the df
but different afterburn does different things, for some reason
like how degreaser afterburn damages you less than most, for example
certain weapons give you afterburn that reduces healing, and others don't, it's stupid but that's how it is
half rose
I've heard there are two types of afterburns
misty plover
Adds the cond when CTFFlameEntity collides with a player
Its not a part of afterburn at all looks like lol
jagged pawn
interesting, it seems that the scotres and quickiebomb enemy sticky destruction ...
slightly niche question and idk how difficult this would be to test but: does the enemy sticky check scale with the range penalty that air detonation is supposed to cause
jagged pawn
Adds the cond when CTFFlameEntity collides with a player
whyyyyyyyyy is it a separate thing 😭
so strange
summer steeple
slightly niche question and idk how difficult this would be to test but: does th...
it does!
the radius it uses is a value it grabs from a function that just handles radius for the stickies in general
jagged pawn
oh that's good at least
orchid sorrel
TF_COND_BURNING
TF_COND_BURNING_PYRO
I think the 2nd one is for DF
summer steeple
the latter cond doesn't even exist in the leaked code
jagged pawn
lol so then probably
livid oracle
misty plover
Can't believe all these squares make a circle
livid oracle
this seems to be the only person that even noticed it
misty plover
Its so rare for sigsegv to actually be wrong on something I'm gonna pretend it isn't real
Especially because its this
livid oracle
2-hour sigsegv exposed video
kind falcon
2-hour sigsegv exposed video
Dark Truth Behind Sigsegv And Josh Ashton...
misty plover
What did the frog do
livid oracle
What did the frog do
livid oracle
oh lol so this is why i see ppl saying that the huntsman was nerfed (it wasnt)
jagged pawn
yeah the misinfo on huntsman spread very quickly, I've had a few people ask me about it
languid haven
Just gonna say aiming feels more smooth on 64bit.
jagged pawn
because it is
misty plover
Yeah I sent magic elves into your pc that improved the hitreg while you game
kind falcon
kid called better performance
languid haven
Hit reg feels the exact same. Actually i think it's even more fucked. I some how headshot a sniper and got a penetration headshot and when they died they were on both sides of my crosshair. Really wished i was recording for that one.
Yes they did walk in front of the other but that's a large delay for 70 ping.
kind falcon
@jagged pawn hey whats up
jagged pawn
who's what
jagged pawn
NOOOOOOOOOOO
kind falcon
goog
livid oracle
oh lol so this is why i see ppl saying that the huntsman was nerfed (it wasnt)
fail
i did find out something weird in the process of this
languid haven
That people will make up any excuse to say "this is worse"?
kind falcon
lgtm 👍
languid haven
Is that really the spy's bounding box? I just didn't imagine it'd be so huge.
jagged pawn
he's wearing a disguise that make you think he's not 300 pounds
kind falcon
Is that really the spy's bounding box? I just didn't imagine it'd be so huge.
everyone has the same bbox
languid haven
everyone has the same bbox
I wouldn't believe that if it wasn't for some being more tall to fit the player model but that's as far as i've seen that's noticeably different.
Just makes me shocked of how the fuck i miss such a giant target.
languid haven
Try on 200 ping, you'll be wanting to beat your own head in with a car door in 10 mins with that. 70 is perfectly playable. 100 is pushing it and 150 is bad.
Actually i think i've tried playing on a 64 player russian server with 500 ping. I've never seen that version of a slide show.
Oh wait if the game runs faster now would compressing packets be better or worse for faster connections?
Asking cause if the comfig allows it with commands i'm wondering if it'd affect the speed they're sent out or recieved.
livid oracle
lol!
btw
this means that point-symmetrical maps are actually biased towards one of the teams
because landing huntsman headshots is easier on one side
jagged pawn
pfff
livid oracle
jagged pawn
livid oracle
lmfao
sterile ferry
the beggars experience
limpid panther
hahaahahahhahah
livid oracle
help
livid oracle
vscript is a lot more limited than i thought
there's no elegant way to run a function when a jarate breaks for example
if you do it by checking for jars in a think function, it can sometimes fail to find a jar before it breaks if the sniper throws it at a wall while pressed against it
languid haven
would it be different if tf2 has lua vscript instead?
kind falcon
howd that be different
tacit flare
9:50 Spawn wallhacks my beloved.
unborn pecan
9:50 Spawn wallhacks my beloved.
I love spawn wall hacks
tacit flare
I love spawn wall hacks
"Just don't camp outside their spawn lol" They say as they take the level 3 teleporter to the middle of the map with another 10 seconds of spawn wallhacks enabled.
tacit flare
unborn pecan
nice handshake
languid haven
what if you could use the iron bomber to push your own stickies? you could cluster them, put down a bomb and scatter then detonate them.
sterile ferry
why would you want that
languid haven
to make stickies more dynamic and to not have to wait for an enemy to do something that'd benefit you and beause the iron bomber balls don't roll. it'd be perfect for it. especially when someone movves your stickies and you just don't wanna blow them up you could just shove them back in that general direction and say "good enough"
even better when you have maxed out stickies cause blowing up whatever oldest sticky you have where ever the hell you put itit's just be easier to know where your explosion are than to reset and guess.
or just highlight the oldest sticky on the scottish resistance a brighter color
limpid panther
heavy solarBOT
@limpid panther has leveled up! (56 ➜ 57)
jagged pawn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc-DSL5xdQw
@livid oracle can you delete z*sty's comment on this
it would be funny I think
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
incoming 8 hour stream complaining because comment got deleted by WOKE tf2 content creator
orchid sorrel
woke up on dustbowl
unborn pecan
woketopia dustbowl
languid haven
y'all need a hobby from being chronicallyonline.
potent wolf
does it also exist in CTFWeaponBase?
Yes, because it's used in CTFWeaponBase::DeflectProjectiles
It always returns 128.0, whereas the CTFFlameThrower version returns deflection_size_multiplier * 128.0
deflection_size_multiplier being an attribute
livid oracle
Funky
yeah and i guess they kept the name for compatibility even if nothing in the vanilla game uses it
mystic turtle
Oh man
Speaking of the man who could also be referred to as QueerChrist, I actually accidentally clicked on one of the dude's vids while looking for TF2 content
RIP me, I have sinned
summer steeple
i don't think queer is a synonym for that at all
orchid sorrel
You know I am genuinely terrified of the airblast dashing stuff in the files
its kinda janky
summer steeple
you know thats not how i expected it to work
potent salmon
How
livid oracle
@misty plover do you happen to know if it's possible for the vscript debugoverlay to not ignore z
like this
misty plover
If it doesn't have ztest then idk
misty plover
https://streamable.com/ctdhi2
Ah this is just as awful as I thought
jagged pawn
https://streamable.com/ctdhi2
LMAO
livid oracle
If it doesn't have ztest then idk
damn
i guess i could LIE and just fake it
by having it get cut off a bit under the ground
the lines dont draw above stuff
it's just the transparent part
orchid sorrel
https://streamable.com/ctdhi2
it also cannot push back players, and cannot reflect
jagged pawn
so presumably meant for an unlock then?
oh god imagine if this was on dragon's fury
what a mess that would be
livid oracle
oh god imagine if this was on dragon's fury
the soldier we have at home
jagged pawn
lol
livid oracle
brazil
broken haven
brazil
languid haven
I have heard of brazil players whining their pc was so old they don't even have a gpu that can run vulkan even if the graphics were originally made for a mobile game.
misty plover
2010 CPU bro
2010
Fucking pineview
There's a strong chance their memory is ddr2
Bro is actually suffering even budget phones have more power
small sirenBOT
misty plover
Please someone get them help
livid oracle
i wanna know what frames you'd actually get if you somehow run tf2 on a modern smartphone
mystic turtle
Please someone get them help
Also, I hear some people are stuck with that literal e-waste due to lack of budget, so RIP this guy
livid oracle
unborn pecan
@summer steeple
slender nexus
erm
cursive peak
green tulip
I think the situation in brazil is just that bad. I have a friend in brazil with a pretty awful computer and I tried to look into getting them a better one but I don't think there's anyway to ship stuff there without paying more then double the price of a computer so I just gave up
languid haven
Should the way sentries aim at targets change?
like for example if the center of the bounding box isn't available the sentry could maybe instead aim for the nearest visible bone on the player.
tacit flare
Completely unrelated but when are they going to fix spawn wallhacks?
languid haven
like for example if the center of the bounding box isn't available the sentry co...
this would stop players from being able to drain your sentry's ammo by standing still and doing nothing but being slightly visible and would help combat corner peakers.
languid haven
it runs like shit,big deal.
livid oracle
this would stop players from being able to drain your sentry's ammo by standing ...
sentries are supposed to be easy to corner peek
sentries targeting your eyes but still shooting at your body is probably a bug though
potent wolf
sentries should have perfect aim and should also have 9000 health
languid haven
sentries targeting your eyes but still shooting at your body is probably a bug t...
solarlight released a video on it for some reason like amonth ago
tough locust
https://youtu.be/H2dUnRrk9Rc?si=Nw0xaH3MpeCdbSA6
not bad
limpid panther
I think the situation in brazil is just that bad. I have a friend in brazil with...
this is correct
but its about double, not more than double
the only exception is a 1000USD allowance for itens of value not considered "personal items" that you can carry into the country without being taxed
in your carry-on baggage, not the dispatched baggage
"personal items" consist of 1 laptop, 1 phone, etc. Need to bring a work phone? tough luck, its gonna eat into your allowance when you come back to Brazil
so if you ever come to Brazil, make sure to bring your e-waste with you so we can make use of it, please
blazing cloud
switched gpus in my main rig because I got my proper gpu in a watercooling case now, Swapped the thing out with a firepro w5000 and tf2 is just eating it'
64 bit update comes out and i put myself to a total of 2 gb of vram right after
livid oracle
THE FUCKING VSCRIPT DEBUGOVERLAY
IT DOESNT GET DRAWN IF YOU RUN THE FUNCTION WHILE YOURE FACING AWAY
WHY
small sirenBOT
kind falcon
IT DOESNT GET DRAWN IF YOU RUN THE FUNCTION WHILE YOURE FACING AWAY
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1132191167426084916/1229454799456702565/3dgifmaker56371.gif
livid oracle
is there no function to convert a normal vector to an angle
livid oracle
is there no function to convert a normal vector to an angle
```c
self.SetForwardVector(dir);
printl(self.GetLocalAngles());
sterile ferry
he dont got a car doe
sterile ferry
question though - is the cone just for players or is it used for projectiles too
cause it certianly doesnt feel like its used for projectiles at least
livid oracle
question though - is the cone just for players or is it used for projectiles too
just for players
sterile ferry
ic
livid oracle
@potent wolf btw are you sure the cone is 35 degrees? it seems more like 40 degrees
40 degree cone
if i go further to the left even by a tiny bit it airblasts me
livid oracle
40 degree cone
definitely something wrong with how i'm displaying this for some reason
actual measurements give me something like ~35.27 degrees
close enough i guess
kind falcon
yo why the wood bleedin
consult with the documentation
livid oracle
@misty plover here's what i could come up with
really really hate that you cant do triangles
kind falcon
<@105806194563665920> here's what i could come up with
pyro what
opal bolt
is there anyway to make my playerhud model smaller? or do i just have to get a new hud
summer willow
you can modify the current hud you're using
potent wolf
<@394179512788844544> btw are you sure the cone is 35 degrees? it seems more lik...
it's what gets passed to IsBoxIntersectingCone, so unless that's broken in some weird way then it's 35 degrees.
eternal haven
Does anyone know is dxvk tf2 busted on xorg?
It freezes the whole desktop, togl works fine, dxvk doesnt freeze on wayland
unborn pecan
Does anyone know is dxvk tf2 busted on xorg?
not for me
summer willow
xorg 
dull jetty
It freezes the whole desktop, togl works fine, dxvk doesnt freeze on wayland
i’ve had a similar if not the same issue when booting tf2 initially, usually i need to kill the game using another tty, then relaunch
eternal haven
Yeah
It's when booting initially, using dxvk, using xorg
I killed it via ssh or just wait a few minutes and it closes by itself
drowsy marlin
I know for me, TF2 likes to set my refresh rate to 50hz, and it likes to freeze my desktop
Nobara w/ x11
languid haven
I know for me, TF2 likes to set my refresh rate to 50hz, and it likes to freeze ...
I thought that was just nvidia settings!!!
is tf2 actually doing that?!
my refresh rate of my whole pc keeps getting set to 50.
languid haven
it appears to not be tf2 since it's changed on restart and xorg.conf is now missing?
eternal haven
xorg.conf doesn't really exist by default anymore on most distributions
at least I don't think it does
if you run nvidia-xconfig or something, that would create an xorg.conf
languid haven
thanks
eternal haven
I'm not really recommending to run nvidia-xconfig
unborn pecan
I know for me, TF2 likes to set my refresh rate to 50hz, and it likes to freeze ...
I experienced that issue with xorg
I use wayland so
livid oracle
gayland
drowsy marlin
how do you use wayland with discord
the experience is buggy!
and I can't screenshare at all
grim parcel
how do you use wayland with discord
these flags should work --enable-gpu-rasterization --enable-zero-copy --enable-gpu-compositing --enable-native-gpu-memory-buffers --enable-oop-rasterization --enable-features=UseSkiaRenderer,WaylandWindowDecorations
drowsy marlin
where do I paste that
grim parcel
and I can't screenshare at all
and for this, suck it up or use vesktop
might give you more issues though
grim parcel
where do I paste that
use it when running discord
grim parcel
eh i wouldn't blame discord for all of it
unborn pecan
how do you use wayland with discord
idk
xwayland works fine
Also
Most xwayland issues with Nvidia should be solved with Explicit sync
small sirenBOT
unborn pecan
I was talking to Kenaj about it earlier
drowsy marlin
how do I make it run in xWayland
unborn pecan
how do I make it run in xWayland
Xwayland is what discord uses by default
Any X11 application running on wayland does it through xwayland
drowsy marlin
Discord sucks!!!
grim parcel
Most xwayland issues with Nvidia should be solved with Explicit sync
which literally isn't implemented yet
using native wayland with those flags basically has 0 issues
and never had this problem in the first place
unborn pecan
which literally isn't implemented yet
It is
Gnome 46.1 has it
merged into KDE as well
2 weeks a go
I don't know if Xwayland needs to be updated as well
grim parcel
Discord sucks!!!
more like linux a fragmented mess
and newer electron versions are also pretty bug on linux
unborn pecan
it isn't, the driver literally does not support this protocol
I thought Nvidia only supports explicit sync
ahh okay
Yeah
With the explicit sync protocol being implemented in compositors and very soon in Xwayland and the proprietary NVidia driver, all those problems will finally be a thing of the past, and the biggest remaining blocker for NVidia users to switch to Wayland will be gone.```can you please link this more times
unborn pecan
sure
wait u were being sarcastic
How long could it possibly take for nvidia to implenent a protocol used by linux
eternal haven
and for this, suck it up or use vesktop
Isn't vesktop screenshare garbage
drowsy marlin
not really
eternal haven
I thought it uses the crappy webrtc screensharing same as you get in browsers
rather than discord's proprietary protocol
that you get in the discord app
potent wolf
?
eternal haven
Discord has two screensharing protocols
webrtc and their own proprietary one
the experience is much better with the latter
unborn pecan
?
Discord uses WebRTC for everything, no?
Are you talking about their custom like
Compression thing
grim parcel
Isn't vesktop screenshare garbage
it's...eh
potent wolf
it works
grim parcel
yeah
potent wolf
which is more than can be said for the native version on wayland
grim parcel
extremely hacky and you can understand why discord doesn't just use it
especially since a lot of the stuff it depends on just isn't guaranteed to be installed on all systems
and a lot of portal implementations are still actually ass with regularly broken updates (hyprland)
but yeah it works most of the time
grim parcel
you'll probably run into other issues beforehand
potent wolf
kde screenshare works until you try to use it twice in a row
grim parcel
like having the latest electron
because there's totally no reason as to why discord uses the current one!
grim parcel
Does KDE have a good portal implementation?
gnome and kde have the best, yeah
for obvious reasons
grim parcel
kde screenshare works until you try to use it twice in a row
i have had this issue there and not on gnome though
potent wolf
gnome is ugly
grim parcel
nah adwaita is beautiful
literally the only time the linux desktop has had good, consistent design
potent wolf
everything is too big
unborn pecan
getchtop
I would use gnome
BUT
No fractional scaling
and I want both my laptop and desktop to be the same
grim parcel
No fractional scaling
use ubuntu’s patch
unborn pecan
Where?
grim parcel
the three featured im reminded of whenever i mention gnome
eternal haven
Discord uses WebRTC for everything, no?
If this was the case how could you screenshare in h264?
heavy solarBOT
@eternal haven has leveled up! (6 ➜ 7)
unborn pecan
If this was the case how could you screenshare in h264?
wdym
potent wolf
webrtc supports h264, no?
jagged pawn
skimming the above, are the wayland defenders going wild rn
small sirenBOT
jagged pawn
wayland sucks sorry
potent wolf
linux sucks in general
grim parcel
linux sucks in general
literally
grim parcel
if you think wayland is still unusable i genuinely have no idea how you’re still using linux
jagged pawn
it doesn't work lol
grim parcel
same
jagged pawn
do you use obs
potent wolf
yes
grim parcel
yeah works great
jagged pawn
love redoing all my scenes every time I open it
potent wolf
i've literally posted clips in this channel recorded with obs
small sirenBOT
jagged pawn
do you use window capture
summer steeple
you should use windows capture
jagged pawn
ok well maybe I just need to hit my computer with hammers then bc it refuses to remember perms on wayland and I've looked it up and this is apparently a feature not a bug
summer steeple
it traps windows in a box
jagged pawn
free them
unborn pecan
free windows
potent wolf
do you use window capture
ah that explains it
grim parcel
ok well maybe I just need to hit my computer with hammers then bc it refuses to ...
perms?
OH
yeah
kde portal issue
not even wayland
unborn pecan
fr?
jagged pawn
me when I use gnome
unborn pecan
FARDNOMe
grim parcel
guess it’s a portal issue in general then
but yeah that’s not even wayland
and again
if that’s your dealbreaker
how do you daily linux
jagged pawn
if it happens when I use wayland and not when I use x11 it is for all intents and purposes a wayland issue
and it's just the most tangible example I have
wayland breaks constantly every time I try to use it
but the obs thing is at least replicable
grim parcel
that’s a pretty bad example of something “not working”
jagged pawn
if it doesn't work that means it's not working
grim parcel
that’s just a minor annoyance
jagged pawn
having to re setup the settings for an application every time I open it is a minor annoyance
alright lol
grim parcel
if it doesn't work that means it's not working
but you say it as if your computer doesn’t work
jagged pawn
if you feel that way then I can't exactly convince you otherwise
grim parcel
having to re setup the settings for an application every time I open it is a min...
it’s like two clicks
unborn pecan
did you guys know that steam can use pipewire for remote play on wayland?
it's cool
jagged pawn
not if I don't have the window open at that moment
unborn pecan
you launch steam with -pipewire
jagged pawn
the way it actually manifests is this
- open obs
- don't have every single window open that I've ever had open
- my perms are now gone forever because I can't reassign them all at once
- manually open every single scene to reapply as needed, can never actually have multiple scenes remembered at once because I'm not going to open 10 windows before I open obs every time when I'm not using most of them
unborn pecan
xorg with mroe than 1 monitors is poopy
jagged pawn
have you tried xorg with multi monitor?
if you mean literally multiple monitors then yes it works perfectly
both of my monitors are different resolutions and different refresh rates and xorg doesn't skip a beat
this is supposed to be the thing that it sucks at but I've never once had an issue
unborn pecan
both of my monitors are different resolutions and different refresh rates and xo...
This is like
major cap
Xorg shits itself withdifferent resolutions and different refresh rates
I am pretty sure like
You have to render to the lowest commen demonanator refresh rate
no?
jagged pawn
well i actually had issues so
I mean fair enough then, use wayland. I just think it sucks how the option is starting to go away for people who don't have the same experience
grim parcel
it's linux, it's going to suck regardless
if you don't have wayland issues you're going to have x issues
jagged pawn
I haven't, what aren't you getting lmao
jagged pawn
I mean fair enough then, use wayland. I just think it sucks how the option is starting to go away for people who don't have the same experience
unborn pecan
and i haven't had wayland issues since like 2018
Whenever KDE added crisp fractional scaling on Wayland
for Xwayland
grim parcel
it's a trade off
unborn pecan
it was so swag
grim parcel
yeah like most "wayland breaks everything" stuff is just not true nowadays
small sirenBOT
grim parcel
like even as a nvidia user i have more problems with xorg in normal use than wayland
jagged pawn
I don't think it breaks everything it just breaks my workflow
grim parcel
(i love screen tearing)
unborn pecan
(i love screen tearing)
fard tearing
jagged pawn
screen tearing is sick
jagged pawn
it looks funny
anyway this is coming from the perspective of someone who uses linux because windows kept breaking for me so maybe I'm just haunted
grim parcel
going strong on a 6 year old install myself
rare creek
unborn pecan
going strong on a 6 year old install myself
how do I check how old my install is
unborn pecan
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/915328947275825152/1232759044637458523/Te...
GYATT DAMN
you killed them all
rare creek
Twice
unborn pecan
those bots r so stupid
grim parcel
how do I check how old my install is
think back really hard
jagged pawn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/915328947275825152/1232759044637458523/Te...
there's a guy saying hi to your left
grim parcel
i just know it's been 6 years since that's when i bought my current pc
well
a previous version
small sirenBOT
grim parcel
ship of theseus moment
unborn pecan
pook pook
grim parcel
ok hurripoo
mystic turtle
how do you use wayland with discord
may I add
You could also use WebCord instead, it worked like a charm for me
BUT you do lose out on having games in your status, as it essentially runs the web client in an Electron wrapper
grim parcel
i love the linux community's solution of running discord in a browser but pretending like it's not literally the webclient
unborn pecan
i love the linux community's solution of running discord in a browser but preten...
lol
drowsy marlin
may I add
You could also use WebCord instead, it worked like a charm for me
BUT ...
is that the only thing I'm losing out? Do I get to screenshare along with having keybinds too?
mystic turtle
is that the only thing I'm losing out? Do I get to screenshare along with having...
oh, keybinds
It's the web client, you do lose out on push to talk when the app is unfocused
apologies for giving that garbo suggestion
mystic turtle
The main reason I suggested WebCord over Vesktop was due to the latter being a full-on custom client
WebCord sorta goes under the radar due to it being essentially the ordinary web app, ergo reduced chances of account bans
damn it, "bands"
lol
grim parcel
they are both ordinary web apps
drowsy marlin
if I got banned that would be more of a blessing ngl. I'll finally touch grass
grim parcel
vesktop is literally just the web client in an electron window
- user scripts injected
not much difference compared to using the extension
unborn pecan
mystic turtle
"hit the bricks pal, you're done"
unborn pecan
so ture
sudden tinsel
Should I care? Linux amd
eternal haven
DXVK is probably better
"Legacy OpenGL" is what the game used to use prior to the 64 bit update
Probably best to try both and see which one you prefer
jagged pawn
keep in mind that legacy opengl is still 64 bit
grim parcel
opengl 32bit ftw 💪💪💪
jagged pawn
default will be better in most instances, if you don't want to bother testing your system just do default and you'll be fine
grim parcel
i don’t need to use an extra 32bits for a game that came out when bush was president
jagged pawn
real
high current
I personally prefer 16 nibble tf2
livid oracle
ok i think i figured this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vVcBglCatM
so like what we know is that
it does a "trace" to the origin of each hitbox
however, this does not take angles into account
the hitboxes are treated as AABBs
awesome
i guess there will be Hunstman headshots: Episode 3
radiant merlin
curiously, overwatch does it the same way
livid oracle
curiously, overwatch does it the same way
wdym
radiant merlin
it does a "trace" to the origin of each hitbox
.
kind falcon
what if
cursive peak
I thought it was pretty well known that projectiles use axis aligned hitboxes?
livid oracle
idk how to really explain it without just visualising it ingame
limpid panther
are you sure it doesnt just do an AABB enclosing the rotated hitbox?
because it this is true its MASSIVE
livid oracle
are you sure it doesnt just do an AABB enclosing the rotated hitbox?
no seems unlikely
it looks to be just outright not using the angles at all
quite hilarious
limpid panther
now you gotta vscript real hard so you can show this in a videoz right?
small sirenBOT
livid oracle
yes because it's hard to explain otherwise
limpid panther
dude, i think if this lands on reddit you are actually gonna get famous in the general tf2 community lol
livid oracle
vscript has functions for bone stuff
livid oracle
dude, i think if this lands on reddit you are actually gonna get famous in the g...
i will change my youtube channel name again
limpid panther
i will change my youtube channel name again
i think it has always been wget, no?
limpid panther
ah
next nymph
which people think is my real name for some reason
it is
limpid panther
I thought it was pretty well known that projectiles use axis aligned hitboxes?
she is not talking about the collision hull around the player, she is talking about the intersect that happens after the projectile collides with the collision hull of the player
so it collides with the player collision hull (which is axis aligned) then traces towards the inside and tries to find a bone, if it does, that gets hit. If it doesn't, the bone closest to the point where the arrow collided with the collision hull gets hit
@livid oracle am I correct?
limpid panther
so it collides with the player collision hull (which is axis aligned) then trace...
but then from what Jane is seeing, the second step happens without rotating the bones at all!!!
livid oracle
<@616476500828487740> am I correct?
yes
limpid panther
i guess there will be Hunstman headshots: Episode 3
no, do huntsman headshots episle 3
potent wolf
Huntsman Headshots: Alyx
summer steeple
did they just tag random people
spare obsidian
yep
uncut spear
feels like some guidelines are gonna be put in place soon lol
crisp cedar
not really
formal dew
kisak-valve stronger than the navy seals 🫡
languid haven
I think tf2 players have a brain rot issue.
rare creek
no way really???? 🤯
zealous pond
I think tf2 players have a brain rot issue.
This is true. If they had functioning brains, they'd spam Valve's physical mailbox instead.
next nymph
I remember seeing a guy periodically do that on the steam discussions (his specific cosmetic / unusual effect combo would place the effect slightly too high when you enable the adjustable height slider) emailing eric for like a few months until eventually it was fixed
misty plover
it was Jane
Tbf I like the name Jane because it maps well to the trolling you do sometimes
Also its still more creative than basically any name I've had
small sirenBOT
misty plover
Most of mine are derivatives of random programming things
next nymph
oh I thought your name meant University of Baltimore
misty plover
No I'm named after source engine code
summer steeple
i mean wget is also stolen
next nymph
oh I thought that name meant Working Group on Emergency Telecommunications
grim parcel
This is true. If they had functioning brains, they'd spam Valve's physical mailb...
or switch to fortnite already
grim parcel
i mean wget is also stolen
evil wgetjane be like curljohn
crisp cedar
or switch to fortnite already
or switch to dota already
we have everything tf2 has PLUS a functioning relationship with valve software
jagged pawn
which people think is my real name for some reason
WHAT
why would people not assume that's your name 😭
grim parcel
or switch to dota already
moba == cringe
and im sorry has lego dota dropped yet?
yeah didn't think so
fortnite on top
use creator code masterofcommunications
misty plover
why would people not assume that's your name 😭
Their name is actually Jack 🙀
next nymph
we have everything tf2 has PLUS a functioning relationship with valve software
- sniper
- sentries
- stickybombs
it checks out
livid oracle
Most of mine are derivatives of random programming things
wow i wonder what UB means
misty plover
slender nexus
wow i wonder what UB means
Unabomber moment
livid oracle
the people have spoken
limpid panther
the people have spoken
where was this?
potent wolf
the cone is evil and must be destroyed
slender nexus
ice cream places:
next nymph
the cone is evil and must be destroyed
my cat after surgery be like
mystic turtle
morming comfigurators
mystic turtle
my cat after surgery be like
elizabethan collar moment
slender nexus
good day mastercomfigies
limpid panther
livid oracle
i do not like squirrel at all
this feels like if you wanted to use lua but youre too embarrassed to use lua and you want the veneer of a Real Language
i cant even load the official squirrel docs
limpid panther
how can you feel embarassed to use lua? metatables are the coolest thing ever!!!1!
and its even made in Brazil!
livid oracle
didnt source 2 end up choosing lua over squirrel lol
livid oracle
hell yeah
next nymph
how can you feel embarassed to use lua? metatables are the coolest thing ever!!!...
i had to teach students how to use lua metatables ||and tbh I still don't really understand them well||, not the easiest thing to explain
one of those things that's such an elegant generalization that it becomes hard to know how to even use it right
rare creek
i cant even load the official squirrel docs
it seems the dev of squirrel vanished and the domain redirects to a page that is supposed to be by godaddy
next nymph
how? can't it just be automatic payments
summer steeple
idk but i just know this isn’t the first time
when vscript launched it was down
i used to have the html file for the docs downloaded lmao
rare creek
when vscript launched it was down
why did they fucking use squirrel then 💀
limpid panther
why did they fucking use squirrel then 💀
because if you squint it looks like C
while with Lua if you squint it looks like Lua
summer steeple
i have to assume that because other source 1 games use squirrel it was easier to port over
rare creek
they should have just went with javascript
grim parcel
i need nodejs on my game server
misty plover
this feels like if you wanted to use lua but youre too embarrassed to use lua an...
Correct!
I would have rather had ltierally any other scripting language
green tulip
iirc Squirrel is forked off of Lua in 2003
green tulip
also VScript is setup in a way for any scripting language to be used with it but Valve went with Squirrel in the end with the choices they where deciding between being:
- Squirrel
- Lua (5.1 at the time)
- Python
- GameMonkey Script
in Source 2 Squirrel ended up getting switched out with LuaJIT
spare obsidian
GameMonkey is unused too
green tulip
didn't say it was used
heavy solarBOT
@green tulip has leveled up! (10 ➜ 11)
spare obsidian
and python too however it just ended being engine side for sfm
next nymph
in Source 2 Squirrel ended up getting switched out with LuaJIT
the right decision imo
green tulip
specifically they used this fork of LuaJIT in Source 2 https://github.com/openresty/luajit2
summer steeple
iirc Squirrel is forked off of Lua in 2003
I thought it wasn't forked from it but inspired by it (or rather inspired by the suffering it caused)
spare obsidian
early lua sucked balls :p
green tulip
I thought it wasn't forked from it but inspired by it (or rather inspired by the...
could be I'm not 100% on what I said hence "iirc", would probably have to go and look at stuff from around 2003 or so to find out
livid oracle
in Source 2 Squirrel ended up getting switched out with LuaJIT
based
luajit is insane
also
Output Table: pos, fraction, hit, enthit, allsolid, startpos, endpos, startsolid, plane_normal, plane_dist, surface_name, surface_flags, surface_props
tracing with vscript
doesnt give you hitbox
why
summer steeple
you can use the enthit result to get the boundingbox
oh wait hitbox
uhhhhh
if its a player the damage event tells you i think
misty plover
Iirc the hitbox data is broken or misisng idk can't remmeber
summer steeple
i thought it worked for players
misty plover
Was an annoying issue when I was making my little boss system headshottable
summer steeple
i know for base_boss it doesn't
misty plover
Mmmhm
summer steeple
i know yourp ain lol
misty plover
My solution was just to make my own hitbox system and whenever a shot hits the boss I do my own raycast from the attacker to see if it hit a "critical" spot lol
summer steeple
the current solution iirc is that you remove the hitscan collision from the base_boss and bonemerge a generic_actor to it
misty plover
My solution was just to make my own hitbox system and whenever a shot hits the b...
The issue is they didn't have any animation information (unsure if that's possible now even)
So they never really could be used behind a static head position
Beyond*
Tbh 99% of my vscript experience has been "okay it lacks this function but I understand how it works so I'll just remake the system as best as I can from what data is available"
Is there a debug box that allows rotation yet or do I still need my own function for that