Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[livid oracle]

i guess this is what they meant by it being a "consistent cone now"

[small siren]

*i guess this is what

they meant by it being a

"consistent cone now"*

- Green Light (Breaking Bad)

[next nymph]

its a consistent cone. Just as long as you dont look in any diagonal direction

[livid oracle]

btw does it come from the eyes now instead of the pyro's centre

[potent wolf]

it's using the eyeposition vector, so yeah probably

someone should make a debug overlay for this

it's the same except for more broken decomp

[livid oracle]

show anyway

it might be something really stupid

[livid oracle]

hmmm

it's different

at the end

seems to just be a flipped condition though

[potent wolf]

different compiler, different codegen

[livid oracle]

im wondering if it's compiler shit that causes the different behaviour though

well that's probably most likely the cause

[potent wolf]

i think it's a bug on the vphysics side

[livid oracle]

were there any physics changes

[potent wolf]

dunno

i'm not aware of any intentional changes

lol

[summer steeple]

they hated jesus because he spoke the truth

[kind falcon]

different compiler settings(!)

[potent wolf]

cone op

[sterile ferry]

cone strong enough to cause a ping noise

[livid oracle]

how did it reach when you crouched pointing down

[potent wolf]

no idea

[sterile ferry]

im assuming the last one was directly upward

[potent wolf]

looking straight up and straight down

[sterile ferry]

srraifhr up makes sense but straight down is mystical

[potent wolf]

it seems fine to me, it looks more sane in firstperson

again, someone should make a debug overlay for this

[sterile ferry]

ngl i only now realized jumping means you extend the airblast range if aiming downards

[limpid panther]

did you actually suggest a cvar that detects cheaters?

[potent wolf]

politely request that cheaters set cl_is_cheating 1

[left sand]

yes because thats essentially what every single client side suggestion is

any in-game solution

the only real solutions are steam trust or improved client side vac

but client side vac isnt gonna get much better

so steam trust is the way

[languid haven]

actually how long do you think it takes for someone to log into steam, download tf2 and run it?

because if all these bots are using the same hardware with different accounts just prevent joining multiplayer games of tf2 on accounts using the same pc.

[grim parcel]

they should make vac kernel level

and remove linux support

problem solved

[potent wolf]

how do you detect something as "the same pc"

[languid haven]

thanks redditor

[grim parcel]

what’s a virtual machine

[next nymph]

prevent hackers by making tf2 cost $$$ to play

[grim parcel]

kernel level vac would fix this

[languid haven]

no one is using a vm to bot.

[grim parcel]

and phone number

[languid haven]

ow2 player

if they're connecting from the same ip, same mac address and most hardware specs are the same. what if it used those to determine if it's the same pc?

[potent wolf]

all of that can be spoofed

[languid haven]

how can an ip be spoofed?

[potent wolf]

vpn

[next nymph]

because there's no need to, because detection doesn't care about being on the same PC. But if detection did start doing that, there would be a reason to virtualize/spoof/vpn/etc.

[languid haven]

that's not spoofing, that's basically a redirect

[potent wolf]

whats your point

[languid haven]

and even then how many vpns do you think 20 different accounts can connect to before their isp thinks they're getting DDosed?

[next nymph]

more than 20 vpns

[languid haven]

that it's not easy to connect to multiple vpns at once and sounds expensive.

[next nymph]

they dont need to be paid services. You could just ask your buddies to act as proxies for you and that would work in this case

[languid haven]

wouldn't that just give data on whom are bot hosters?

[next nymph]

im not following

[languid haven]

and even then how many of them do you think have friends at all?

[heavy solar]

@languid haven has leveled up! (28 ➜ 29)

[next nymph]

if your security only works if people work alone, its not very good security

[languid haven]

so what? you're saying some organized group of people are bot hosting to kill a game that means nothing to them?

[next nymph]

that is essentially the status quo, yeah

[languid haven]

ok, tell me when you find sewer squad

[tough locust]

would it be impossible to bring watchdog over to tf2? it was working pretty fine in CSGO i think they ditched it though

and judging by the booming cs2 problem they could really use watchdong rn

lol i mean watchdog

or was it called overwatch

[crisp cedar]

watchdog?

overwatch

[summer steeple]

they called it overwatch and tbh I think they ditched it because it was just getting diluted by people giving bad faith demo reviews

[crisp cedar]

its overwatch

[summer steeple]

for example there was someone near the end of overwatch's life cycle who setup a neural network that just watched overwatch cases... which defeats the point

[crisp cedar]

dota has overwatch

its rather functional

[summer steeple]

not to mention the fact that because the majority of the playerbase didn't use overwatch it probably started to get more bots than real people on it

thats my guess tho

[slender nexus]

ogresnotch

[crisp cedar]

its actually a fantastic system for a game like dota

[small siren]

*its actually

a fantastic system for

a game like dota*

- rayne

[crisp cedar]

yet again other valve games fail so that dota can thrive

[summer steeple]

valve should launch account trust factor and then base the weight of an overwatch report on that

[crisp cedar]

planned

[summer steeple]

planned for 2095

[limpid panther]

there are whole neighborhoods using 1 single IPv4

this is common practice by ISPs on many parts of the world

even some powerusers find it desirable because when an ISP does that it can plasably deny companies seeking to send end users nasty letters they can point out they don't know which of the users did that because the company wouldn't specific a port number

[potent wolf]

does steam support ipv6?

[limpid panther]

probably, its 2024 ffs

I do wonder if tf2 somehow supprts it

I know that Minecraft went a long time without supporting it

[next nymph]

to its credit, I don't think the idea was that IP addresses would be the only thing to identify a specific machine. It'd have to match IP and mac address and hardware and etc.

So the issue is "all of those can be changed or faked fairly easily for a bot network operator, which defeats the entire idea"

[potent wolf]

just solve the problem, it's that easy!

[limpid panther]

I see

[potent wolf]

https://x.com/phys_ballsocket/status/1782353615161606402

Joshie 🐸✨ 🐀 (@phys_ballsocket) on X

Some people REALLY have HUDs that have the auto aim hud from HL2 (CHUDAutoAim) as an element which stopped working on the 64-bit port of TF because it relied on getting lucky treating the C_TFPlayer as a C_BaseHLPlayer to early out and do nothing x_x

Joys of any 64-bit port! :D

Twitter · Apr 22, 2024, 10:19 AM

[summer steeple]

wtf they fixed the dxlevel crash

[sterile ferry]

autoaim hud?

[sterile ferry]

you specifically requested the opposite..

[jagged pawn]

serious question, why are bounding boxes so prevalent? seems extremely weird to use a hitbox that changes based on the direction you face for so many things (melee, projectiles, airblast, etc) and I'm sure there's a reason but I can't figure it out

[crisp cedar]

chud auto aim

[summer steeple]

its cheaper and works well

[sterile ferry]

did you mean doesnt change based on the direction?

[jagged pawn]

ye

[sterile ferry]

but yea its just easier to calculate or smth

[summer steeple]

easier to calculate and to players its more consistent

imagine if you missed a rocket because someone's arm was in a different spot

[jagged pawn]

saving on calculation I get but like, can't really understand how it would be considered more consistent. I can see the argument for explosives but definitely not something like the huntsman for example

[sterile ferry]

me when he calls for medic so my flare misses

[jagged pawn]

putting aside the bugs with how it calculates headshots, I just mean the standard hit detection

[sterile ferry]

hunstman is like the only exception

[summer steeple]

that I can't answer

[jagged pawn]

fair enough

but yeah like for rockets sure makes sense

[sterile ferry]

hunstman is its own enigma lowkey..

[jagged pawn]

I mean. any projectile weapon runs into this imo. guillotine and sandman can both feel pretty random at times

[misty plover]

I hate the cone I hate the cone I hate the cone I hate the cone I hate the cone I hate the cone I hate the cone I hate the cone I hate the cone

I want my funny box back

[jagged pawn]

cone better

[sterile ferry]

i mean they fire at a delay by intention so they always feel kinda odd

[summer steeple]

no way did they really forget to put in references to the localization strings for other speaker settings

[sterile ferry]

?

its not that bad bro

[potent wolf]

THE CONE IS EVIL

[summer steeple]

the cone of shame

like a dog

[sterile ferry]

is there something im missing..

[potent wolf]

i am a certified cone hater™️

[jagged pawn]

actually wait follow up question. if the argument is that it's meant to save resources, doesn't that benefit not apply with airblast? since it's doing two checks now if I understand correctly

[sterile ferry]

is it a gameplay issue or is it a whats going with it issue

[blazing cloud]

when cone
https://tenor.com/view/tf2-scout-cbt-gif-25294645

[potent wolf]

the cone check only runs if the box check passes

[jagged pawn]

oh I see

[summer steeple]

it always was doing 2 checks but it was fucked up

[misty plover]

Airblast was sad ugly cone -> became box that allowed silly by airblasting behind -> back to cone now

[potent wolf]

It still allows silly airblast, you just need to look up or down

[misty plover]

The way they did the cone check is pretty expensive though iirc

[potent wolf]

The old cone was just a dot product check

[sterile ferry]

also why does every shot with the dragons fury chug my frames for a moment

[misty plover]

Was it?

[misty plover]

DF is silly

[potent wolf]

Pretty sure, read the leaked code

[sterile ferry]

and does this happen when im fighting one too?

[potent wolf]

unless im missing something

[misty plover]

Spawning dynamic lights in general causes silly in the game

[small siren]

*Spawning dynamic

lights in general causes

silly in the game*

- undefinedbhvr

[misty plover]

At least in 64bit

[sterile ferry]

nah it was always likej that

[summer steeple]

nod3d9ex added to linux?

-default removed???

[sterile ferry]

dx8 and everything df always causes frame drop

[sterile ferry]

doesnt that do nothing anyway

[summer steeple]

i'm so lost

I have to be misunderstanding

[misty plover]

I get a stutter when I use funny flashlight command on servers that enable it

[sterile ferry]

they should bring back the coneless airblast so i can pop people into the air with less thinking 🛐

[summer steeple]

no way did they actually add dxlevel to linux

[jagged pawn]

there are mods to fix this

vanilla spawns 50 billion lights in front of you when you fire

it's stupid

[sterile ferry]

Awesome!

[summer steeple]

fuck off github

[jagged pawn]

what the hell lol

[left sand]

microsoft penny pinching

[summer steeple]

can someone on linux test dxlevel

[median pier]

i can real quick, what should i do and what should i look for

[summer steeple]

I refuse to believe this isn't just like removing things from OS specific compiler flags and making them generic

[summer steeple]

does it look like dx8

does mat_dxlevel report dx8

etc.

[median pier]

don't remember what dxlevels look like which, never tweaked them

[summer steeple]

it'll look bad thats how you'll know

[sterile ferry]

build a teleporter and screenshot it or smth

[summer steeple]

the casual medal will be broken looking

[paper sluice]

The medigun beam will be really bright

That too

[orchid sorrel]

fireballs have dynamic lighting

[median pier]

mat_dxlevel is 92

[potent wolf]

as expected

[median pier]

no flags for dxlevel set

default

[potent wolf]

it does nothing

[summer steeple]

@balmy root i'd post your message here so more people see it

ah whatever i'll screenshot it from that help thread

intersting change

I wonder what effects it has

[balmy root]

well, default is still 92

probably nothing so far

[summer steeple]

even tho it says "def. 100"?

[balmy root]

yes, it gets reset to 92 it seems

[summer steeple]

huh

[balmy root]

it's because before this update the cvar had a min. value of 90 and max. value of 92

[summer steeple]

maybe I was right when I thought it was a weird half-baked thing to remove OS specific behavior

[balmy root]

I talked to a person on that thread and it's probably related to dead code from ToGL, which forced dxlevel 92

I think it's something related to compatibility with OpenGL

[potent wolf]

death to dxvk, togl is the best 🫡

[summer willow]

we're gonna start seeing fixes for bugs decade olds in tf2 (because maybe now is already a part of tf2) or is just gonna be like fixing regressions problems with porting to 64bit?

[balmy root]

https://tenor.com/view/blasphemy-funny-cat-bababooey-kitty-gif-27030206

Vulkan native render is the best

[sterile ferry]

i doubt theyll change nything too major in gp like that

unless it really is just negative and unintentional

[potent wolf]

cs2 native vulkan

[balmy root]

I think seeing bug fixes from decade-old bugs is a side effect of porting TF2 to x64 and fixing the x64 bugs

valve stonks

[balmy root]

IIRC it is

but performance on Linux compared to Windows is bad

and I mean it

[potent wolf]

that was the joke

[balmy root]

😭

OpenGL my beloved

[balmy root]

also from this thread

now it reports m_nDXSupportLevel: 100 from mat_info

before it only reported 92 on Linux

it is a step forward for my issue which requests 95 to be the default

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5797

[summer steeple]

as long as it doesn't support dx8 i'm happy

i'd be mad if we regressed

[grim parcel]

dx7

[balmy root]

yes dx8 should be dead by now

[potent wolf]

d8vk in tf2 when

[balmy root]

IIRC I saw a youtube video many years ago about a person forcing dx7 on tf2

it was horrendous

lemme see if I can find it

[grim parcel]

comp players wet dream (it gives you -10 fps but your game looks even shittier)

[summer steeple]

ok so

i decided to look at the code for mat_dxlevel

[balmy root]

https://youtu.be/doymTl9LhhQ

[summer steeple]

they probably just removed this ifdef

[balmy root]

this

[summer steeple]

and set max to 100

[grim parcel]

@craggy ridge huge

[sterile ferry]

oh hello gorgeous

[summer steeple]

wait this update means no more directX 69 in the settings :(

[sterile ferry]

need that rn

[balmy root]

on this video it's possible to notice the lack of support for transparency

which makes me think it's DX7 or lower

[balmy root]

it seems they still require it to be 92

even after removing the code

[summer steeple]

I mean we don't know exactly what they did

[balmy root]

rip directx 69

[summer steeple]

it probably is that the ifdef was removed and replaced with a general check

[balmy root]

hmm

what I noticed

is that mat_dxlevel previously on my machine was like "92.0000000"

[summer steeple]

so the cvar is the same defintion on both OSes (note the fact that it now has its description from windows)

[balmy root]

after this update it is only "92", and also the description was updated to mention competitive

before the update, it only was "Current DirectX level"

now, it is the same desc. from Windows

[balmy root]

yes

exactly

[languid haven]

I heard there was a way to use DX10 but on the steam website it said that was for xbox or something.

[summer steeple]

dxlevel 100 is unfinished dx10 support

there's no actual dx10 backend

[languid haven]

Ah

[balmy root]

on TF2 XBOX afaik the DX level used is 98

[summer steeple]

ye

[rare creek]

how fucking dense is this guy holy shit mods can you please send a ballistic missile to their house https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5868#issuecomment-2068378795

[balmy root]

dxlevel 100 seems to be a workaround for removing device limits

[languid haven]

Explain

[summer steeple]

ok so

looking at the dxlevel code

essentially the various dxlevel values set specific variables, usually disabling things

except 100

100 just ends without setting anything

[languid haven]

That is....kinda funny. So wouldn't that cause a crash or would it default to something else?

Or does it just use whatever was previously set?

[summer steeple]

so, they call the variables "caps", so I assume that it is essentially just lowering maximums and disabling things, and the default is "always on", or the highest possible value

[balmy root]

judging from dxsupport.cfg it's theoretically possible to use dxlevel 50 on tf2, but that would require various hacks I assume

[summer steeple]

for example, all of the dxlevel code (except 100) tells the game that the GPU does not support DX10

[summer steeple]

theoretically, but the code i'm looking at only goes down to 60, so anything else would get clamped I think

[rare creek]

i thjnj the game would crash due to all of the shaders not being possible on directx 5

[languid haven]

I heard dx9 and dx10 were similar but i'm not so sure.

[summer steeple]

also a possibility

[median pier]

are there any visual differences specifically on dxlevel 100

[languid haven]

Or performance differences? Or any at all?

[sterile ferry]

no way this the slender im thinking of

[tough locust]

also a big ass particle that gets stretched over a space greater than ur whole screen

[languid haven]

IT SO MUCH BETTER NOW!!! It doesn't flash bang my screen everytime i fire and reminds me of rockets from quake when you fire them.

[summer steeple]

supposedly dxlevel 100 uses "dx10 blending", idk what exactly that is but I assume its just a faster version of dx9 code idk

[balmy root]

tbh the only game I know that uses DX10 is GTA 5 (but the default there is DX11)

it seems many games jumped from DX9 to 11

10 is quite "unpopular"

[languid haven]

11 is much more laggier though

[summer steeple]

it appears to do something regarding converting to SRGB color space?

[languid haven]

And 12 ain't much bettee

[summer steeple]

maybe on dx10 supported cards its not necessary so its faster

[balmy root]

from a technical perspective 12 should be better

[summer steeple]

iirc 12 is better but harder to setup well due to being more low-level

its basically a completely different beast

[balmy root]

ye

from Wikipedia:

Lead developer Max McMullen stated that the main goal of Direct3D 12 is to achieve "console-level efficiency on phone, tablet and PC".

[languid haven]

I usually had it set on windows when i used to use it and i have pretty similar performance to the 32but. ToGL with it except a lot more stutters.

[summer steeple]

do you have an intel gpu?

[balmy root]

achieve "console-level efficiency on phone, tablet and PC".
keeps code proprietary and closed-source

[summer steeple]

or did at the time?

[languid haven]

It's not, believe it or not. You get better graphics emulating the same game on PS2 with Vulkan or OpenGL.

[sterile ferry]

whatd u do

[grim parcel]

i mean
consoles are proprietary and closed-source

[summer steeple]

because it seems like on intel cards they force disable it, but it probably doesn't take into account newer intel GPUs

[unborn pecan]

intel fards

[languid haven]

Nothing, it's just better now and idk who changed it but i love it even with the no lag dynamic lights.

[sterile ferry]

Bro

[summer steeple]

64bit just built different

quite literally

[balmy root]

💀

[grim parcel]

this is also just one use case. vk and dx12 is better comparision, but ogl

[jagged pawn]

tf2 dx12 update tomorrow

[grim parcel]

real

with ray tracing

[sterile ferry]

i was sitting in spawn firing that thing and still digging trenches in my frames

unless that was thursday

[balmy root]

yeah but you get more control if you can manipulate the entire code and not just use dev blogs/guides

[languid haven]

https://tenor.com/view/buff-buff-fortress-2-team-fortress-2-tf2-scout-tf2-gif-1999189985107599768

[balmy root]

microsoft restricts the devs choices to what they want to do, whereas in vulkan you can do anything

[languid haven]

Tf2 now

[grim parcel]

do you think devs are using vulkan forks for their games?

[balmy root]

no they aren't

[jagged pawn]

is the df pause your game by left clicking thing within the scope of what joshie would fix or nah

[balmy root]

vulkan programming is quite different from dx

[timid plaza]

🎉

[balmy root]

and it's just simpler to program in dx and then slap dxvk on top of it

[summer steeple]

(which is partially why valve is using dxvk instead of native)

[orchid sorrel]

finally

[potent wolf]

comparing old versions of dx with vulkan is kinda silly

[orchid sorrel]

we can be gordon froman in fort team double

[balmy root]

I mean they don't even fix simpler things

[tough locust]

u a time traveler or something

[balmy root]

imagine they wanting to create a native vulkan render for a Source 1 game

not happening

:(

[summer steeple]

its the 23rd in some parts of the world

[timid plaza]

different timezone

[tough locust]

impossible. nothing exists east of me

[languid haven]

OpenGL has less bloat. What causes most lag is post processing and not understanding what's causing lag.

[potent wolf]

what

[summer steeple]

linux mindset

[jagged pawn]

Arch has less bloat. What causes most lag is post processing and not understanding what's causing lag.

[languid haven]

It's why opengl es has better performance then opengl on Similar versions. It's not better and supports less features but it makes it faster.

[next nymph]

makes you think

[potent wolf]

how does opengl have less bloat

[jagged pawn]

it's open

[languid haven]

Compared to DX12?

[jagged pawn]

so all the bloat walks out

[languid haven]

its not opensource

[jagged pawn]

LOL

[summer steeple]

windows 98 has less bloat than windows 10 because its older and doesn't support modern hardware

[small siren]

*windows 98

has less bloat than windows 10

because its older*

- treacherousfiend

[potent wolf]

that has nothing to do with "bloat"

[jagged pawn]

actually called it

[languid haven]

Actually idfk why they call it openGL.

[potent wolf]

Open Graphics Library

[tough locust]

opengl probably bloated with that ancient 90s codebase

[languid haven]

But it ain't open, maybe it is compared to direct3D

[summer steeple]

tf2 is bloated because it has code from quake

[grim parcel]

[next nymph]

voodoo 2 graphics cards from 1998 have less bloat than ti1080s

[tough locust]

TRUE

[orchid sorrel]

tf2 is bloated and need some tums

[jagged pawn]

this is so real they should remove the original

[potent wolf]

how is opengl not open?

[grim parcel]

closedgl

[jagged pawn]

closedgl

[orchid sorrel]

invitegl

[jagged pawn]

FUCK

[grim parcel]

HAHAHHAHA

[languid haven]

How is it open?

[jagged pawn]

gdi

[potent wolf]

It's an open specification

that anyone can implement

[languid haven]

Idk why a sega genesis emulator ran fastest with that.

[languid haven]

So vulkan but worse.

[potent wolf]

LMAO

yeah basically

but please please please do some basic research

[languid haven]

Didn't the company that made opengl make vulkan?

[summer steeple]

yeah

khronos group

[languid haven]

I heard 4.6 GL is the only one that supports mesh shaders

Or something like that

[grim parcel]

it’s foss, why would you do that

it’s immediately better

[next nymph]

i still gotta try out mesh shaders at some point, hardly even touched compute shaders. Basically only worked in vertex and fragment shaders

[jagged pawn]

this is why I uninstalled google maps and use osmand now

[grim parcel]

osm stans are next level

i like foss but god damn i want to get to work at a reasonable time

or be able to find places

[eternal haven]

On windows, at least on nvidia, alt tab should be just about instant in every configuration

If it's not instant, you're doing something wrong

like leaving dxlevel in launch options or something weird like that

[summer steeple]

i think joshie actually blamed nvidia drivers not supporting something for slower alt-tabs on vulkan

[potent wolf]

i think it's a vulkan-specific issue

yeah that

[eternal haven]

Idk it's instant for me

With dxvk

Nvidia

[grim parcel]

it is im very impressed

[grim parcel]

and same

[summer steeple]

mine flickers black for a split second before tabbing in/out

[grim parcel]

what gpu?

[summer steeple]

GTX 1070

[eternal haven]

Yeah I have the black flicker too using dxvk

I still considered that instant, it's fast enough

[summer steeple]

alt-tabs aren't slow but it isn't instant

like a half second

[eternal haven]

But no black flicker without dxvk

For me it flicks black for maybe 0.1 seconds using dxvk

[craggy ridge]

1st patch without reverting the cone

holy shit we are so back

[summer steeple]

to be completely honest I do kinda disagree with joshie here because i haven't had this issue in any other vulkan game so it kinda... shouldn't be up to GPU drivers idk

like yes the driver should support this but also you could fix this i think

[eternal haven]

FWIW toggling the nvidia setting for vulkan present method between "prefer native" and "prefer layered on DXGI swapchain" doens't have any effect on alt tabs for me

Both are very quick but both have a short black flicker

[summer steeple]

yeah I was just about to check that since I googled it

[jagged pawn]

fascist

[summer steeple]

maybe we wait and hope that they add some specific driver settings to the new tf2 exes

[green tulip]

I just used a profile inspector and added the new EXE names to the "Team Fortress 2" profile

[unborn pecan]

what driver are we talking about?

[summer steeple]

nvidia windows drivers

[eternal haven]

What would they add?

I don't think any issue is nvidia's fault here

[summer steeple]

idk they have all sorts of wacky behind the scenes settings

[eternal haven]

Well I mean everything seems to already work fine

At least on Ampere

[summer steeple]

source has its own antialiasing compatability setting!

[grim parcel]

it’s the linux in him

[summer steeple]

lmao maybe

[grim parcel]

this regularly happens there

[eternal haven]

Yeah it's kind of crazy how much application specific shit there is in the windows gpu drivers

No wonder they're like 1gb lol

[green tulip]

I think it's funny how the "Antialiasing Fix" in Nvidia's drivers is ONLY used on TF2 and all it does is make some AA color sampling less aggressive on certain generations of cards and nothing else

[grim parcel]

every driver does this
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/blob/main/src/util/00-mesa-defaults.conf?ref_type=heads

[green tulip]

guess TF2's art style was too vibrant or something

[grim parcel]

linux drivers also arent much smaller. nvidia’s for example is pretty comparable to nvcleaninstall

and mesa is in the kernel anyways

[eternal haven]

I wouldn't know

pretty much just a windows user

[summer steeple]

well interestingly, Pc gaming wiki actually has a tutorial for setting up this specific thing, but it doesn't work

so i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that its not necessarily nvidia's fault

especially considering it says this

[eternal haven]

I mean the alt tabbing is fast for me

I wonder why it would be slow for some people

Maybe differences in nvidia generation but I kinda doubt it's that

[languid haven]

alt tab is a little slow for me but before during 64bit beta it caused my pc to lag, stutter and freeze. way better now.

[eternal haven]

It was instant before and instant now

Did you have -dxlevel in launch options or anything else like that

or change antialiasing mid-game

or anything causing a materialsystem reload

[languid haven]

now it just takes 3-6 seconds to switch onto and off of the fullscreen tf.

[eternal haven]

It's so weird

I've always had alt tabs under 0.1 seconds

Any dxlevel

[languid haven]

nope

[eternal haven]

What could the difference be?

[grim parcel]

native ogl would fix this

[languid haven]

nah

[green tulip]

have y'all confirmed whether or not Windows is applying it's "Fullscreen Optimizations"

?

[potent wolf]

native glide support would fix this

[languid haven]

it's more of a non-issue right now for alt tabbing. there's bigger problems really.

[eternal haven]

I have this off, if it matters

so normal exclusive fullscreen

but when I use the fullscreen optimizations, still instant alt tabs

[small siren]

*but when I use the

fullscreen optimizations,

still instant alt tabs*

- mysterious_eagle_46873

[languid haven]

oh also comfig is not using the precomfig so i'm stuck having to use autoexec on linux instead because tf2 doesn't even detect precomfig either.

[grim parcel]

what

[green tulip]

if your keyboard has volume controls it's easy to test by seeing if the Windows volume overlay shows up or not since sometimes fullscreen optimizations don't get turned off even if you tell it to be off

[grim parcel]

you mean pre_comfig.cfg?

[languid haven]

tf/cfg/overrides/precomfig.cfg

i did not name it

[grim parcel]

i think your problem is that precomfig is the wrong name

[languid haven]

dafuq

[eternal haven]

pre_comfig

need the underscore

[grim parcel]

https://docs.comfig.app/latest/customization/custom_configs/#advanced-customization

[languid haven]

thanks

[eternal haven]

Turns out this isn't true

Black flicker is a bit longer on "prefer native"

it's barely noticeable but definitely just a bit longer

[balmy root]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/789106617407766548/1127286153821814908/caption.gif

[drowsy marlin]

incredible

[languid haven]

sounds like a shit post like when sniper eating his rifle caused a crash

[small siren]

*sounds like a shit post

like when sniper eating his

rifle caused a crash*

- jimbimbum

[eternal haven]

I mean it makes sense

the tf2 hud uses some of the hl2 hud as a base

and I think some of the tf2 player code uses hl2 player code as a base

[potent wolf]

https://x.com/phys_ballsocket/status/1782353615161606402

Joshie 🐸✨ 🐀 (@phys_ballsocket) on X

Some people REALLY have HUDs that have the auto aim hud from HL2 (CHUDAutoAim) as an element which stopped working on the 64-bit port of TF because it relied on getting lucky treating the C_TFPlayer as a C_BaseHLPlayer to early out and do nothing x_x

Joys of any 64-bit port! :D

Twitter · Apr 22, 2024, 10:19 AM

[broken haven]

chud autoaim

controlla playa

[mystic turtle]

what the heck does the autoaim hud even do?

I barely played HL2, and I only recall autoaim being present only on easy difficulty and on the game's console ports?

[broken haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlRvcxX-a-Q&ab_channel=Viperwyd

[mystic turtle]

uh...

oh well, controllers!

[languid haven]

wait i thought tf2 didn't have autoaim

sentries and wrangler doesn't count

[summer steeple]

it doesn't

[potent wolf]

i don't think the autoaim hud actually worked

[languid haven]

so why fix it?

[potent wolf]

did you read the patch note?

[next nymph]

if you want to get rid of hud things that never worked and do literally nothing, you'll have to pry them from my cold dead hands

[languid haven]

i'd prefer if fov setting worked. it's forced on 90

[potent wolf]

it works fine for me

[languid haven]

it just changes model fov now for me

[paper sluice]

Normally I just have to restart the game when that happens

[potent wolf]

fov_desired

[languid haven]

they seem to be the exact same.

or at least they are now

hey are wait events still causing issues in 64bit?

[kind falcon]

they already save that info over multiple files

[slender nexus]

Damn this new update is cool

I'm cranking up more settings on my steam deck config and I'm still consistently reaching 60fps now

remember that I would usually only hope to reach a peak of around 40~ fps before this update

[languid haven]

maybe don't use max settings?

[hoary geyser]

in tf2?

[hoary geyser]

how are you getting that low of fps in tf2 on a steam deck

[slender nexus]

idk that's just what I've known since getting my steam deck in 2022

My steam deck config before this was mainly centered around the comfig low preset with every graphics setting that mainly taxes the GPU set to max

Because the only issue with the steam deck is its relatively weak single core performance

[livid oracle]

@misty plover btw how did you do your visualisation

with vscript right?

[misty plover]

Yeah

Just vscript and trash math

[potent wolf]

what have i done

[misty plover]

Exist

Anyways, is position and rotation still slightly truncated in s2c packets?

[livid oracle]

how annoying is it to get working

your answer decides if i will work on it or not

[misty plover]

It's manual math I did based on what I was told lol

[livid oracle]

oh i mean vscript in a listen server

[misty plover]

Rn you just execute the script then call SetupWeapon()

[livid oracle]

when i did the airblast thing years ago source didnt have a way to show cones i had to do a bunch of math it was annoying

[summer steeple]

vscript is arguably easiest in a listen server because you can just call script_execute scriptfilename from the console

or do oneliners with just script

[misty plover]

I'm getting food rn but it takes in a cone angle and max distance and color iirc it's been a minute since I wrote it

[misty plover]

Doesn't work if you want spaces cause source command parsing says fuck you

[small siren]

*Doesn't work if you

want spaces cause source command

parsing says fuck you*

- undefinedbhvr

[summer steeple]

ohhhh right

well i think you can use quotes tho

script "foo bar"

i forget

[livid oracle]

iirc the way i did it was using big triangles for the transparent part and then drawing the little horizontal lines across it

seemed like the simplest way to show a cone in debugoverlay

[summer steeple]

i don't tend to do oneliners cause what I do is more complicated than is possible with that

you can't do triangles i don't think

you'd have to fake it

[livid oracle]

wait wdym you cant do triangles

[potent wolf]

vscript says no triangles for you

[livid oracle]

???

[summer steeple]

you get box, circles, and lines

fuck you

[livid oracle]

that's cringe

[misty plover]

My box is done with lines instead of box because I am a rebel

[summer steeple]

so you'd have to jerryrig it with math

[small siren]

*My box is done with

lines instead of box because

I am a rebel*

- undefinedbhvr

[livid oracle]

oh wait i didnt even do the lines https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ0axNXvNik

it's just triangles here

i guess the transparent part isnt really necessary

[misty plover]

(I am too used to doing everything from scratch in vscript and forgot there was a box)

[summer steeple]

yeah lol so much stuff you gotta do yourself

[livid oracle]

can you put a tranparent colour through the box

[potent wolf]

yeah

[livid oracle]

and it'll do something like in the thumbnail here?

[summer steeple]

specifically this section
https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Team_Fortress_2/Scripting/Script_Functions#Printing_and_Drawing

idk why for only lines they have a function with a color input as vector and one for separate RGB

[misty plover]

I wish there was a draw tri

[livid oracle]

actually no triangles

so lame

[misty plover]

Time to make gothub issues ig

[potent wolf]

that would be a bit too convenient

[summer steeple]

hmmm

you could always make an entity thats a plane and assign a texture to it thats a triangle

[kind falcon]

Goth hub

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1048761167025283133/1206493356440424448/goober.gif

[summer steeple]

i hate this steamhapp so much

[kind falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1048761167025283133/1206493356440424448/goober.gif

[misty plover]

[summer steeple]

i'm going to inject a check into my discord that looks for the hash of this steamhapp and removes it

and then i will add support for an AI to check for similar images

and it will brick my discord

[misty plover]

Maybe a draw poly?

[potent wolf]

UB what angle did you use in your script?

[misty plover]

Forgor

Almost home hold on

[next nymph]

if you can only have one then imo its better to draw arbitrary polygons with triangles than draw triangles with arbitrary polygons

but no reason you cant have both

[formal dew]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/1029

🤔

[misty plover]

36.87

Also nvm draw cone wasn't customizable

I had the numbers hardcoded lol

[livid oracle]

yeah ive noticed this a lot

on a 45 degree ramp your crosshair is off

idk if this is related to your crosshair being off on moving platforms

[misty plover]

I forget where I pulled this out of

But yeah that's what I used

I also have 0 clue where it comes out of the body lol

[potent wolf]

it should be 35 degrees, coming from the eyes

#1072696252162117752 message

[misty plover]

Gotcha

I assumed it was either weapon or eyes lol

Yeah that's perfect thanks

[potent wolf]

@livid oracle

[livid oracle]

isn't it 37.5

[misty plover]

Nyooom

[livid oracle]

so our hypothesis was right

[potent wolf]

thats for the old cone iirc

[livid oracle]

huh so it was decreased by a tiny little bit?

i assume because it will feel a lot bigger anyway

[misty plover]

I guess they silently tightened it in JI and never documented it because it didn't actually properly math the check before?

Maybe the vphysics function they use after JI always returned true till 64bit?

[potent wolf]

acos(0.8)

[kind falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/941838491657068557/1212702665868443689/TxcKoJZtjf0DNj_X.gif

[livid oracle]

something like that

[potent wolf]

I actually checked this yesterday, and in the old builds it returned really weird values for players outside the cone

[livid oracle]

according to replay at least

idk if it's used anywhere else, doesnt seem like it would be

[small siren]

*idk if it's

used anywhere else, doesnt

seem like it would be*

- Green Light (Breaking Bad)

[misty plover]

So bugfix then

Guess I'll report to github issue

[livid oracle]

yeah but afaik joshie claims they never touched it

[misty plover]

Joshie never touched the flamethrower code, might have been used in another spot?

[kind falcon]

whose pronouns are it/its

[misty plover]

Or some overflow fuckery caused it (super super super unlikely)

[livid oracle]

flamethrower

[kind falcon]

i am flamethrower

[livid oracle]

at this point im convinced it's just compiler bullshit

[kind falcon]

compiler optiyon

[livid oracle]

what are the values

[kind falcon]

7

[potent wolf]

it would return 0x41 iirc

[livid oracle]

i dont think it's 7

[slender nexus]

gothhub

[potent wolf]

lemme see if i can get the script working again

[misty plover]

0x41 is a weird return

[potent wolf]

especially for a bool

[misty plover]

Mmmhm

[livid oracle]

let's just check the source code of BoxIntersectsCone

[misty plover]

Throwing exception and getting interpreted wrong? Potentailly?

(Literally pulling any answer out of my ass)

[kind falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/941838491657068557/1212702665868443689/TxcKoJZtjf0DNj_X.gif

[eternal haven]

How do you enable this DXVK overlay?

[kind falcon]

env var DXVK_HUD

[misty plover]

Can't integrate with Jolt yet

[livid oracle]

lmfao what

so you can't airblast when the server is using jolt?

wtf

[misty plover]

I hope that's not the case

But maybe

[potent wolf]

probably

[potent wolf]

yeah?

[misty plover]

Why do you have a deific bootlicker on your friends

[livid oracle]

older version?

[potent wolf]

yeah older version

[potent wolf]

?

[misty plover]

Dumb joke

[potent wolf]

oh lol

@ Mambo

[livid oracle]

reminder that @teal sand is transphobic (hates transmission)

[misty plover]

Oh yeah, I thought about trying to implement something like Minecraft's brigadier as a chat command parser in vscript

Its probably trivial but at the same time it seems cursed to do idk

[teal sand]

computer

[misty plover]

Huh, dying changes your bbox position? I didn't know that

I forgot to turn on my silly name, there we go

[livid oracle]

you can move it around too

it follows you in free roam

[misty plover]

Damn

[eternal haven]

Is it fine to attach a debugger to tf2 as long as you use -insecure?

No VAC

[potent wolf]

yes

[livid oracle]

should be fine to do anything with it as long as you run it with -insecure

[misty plover]

Wack

Oh that sc didn't capture what I saw lol

Its bugging out my monitor for some reason

The lines sometimes render over my viewmodel

[potent wolf]

wtf

[livid oracle]

your gpu will burst into flames in 10 seconds

[misty plover]

Nesting haters rise up (nasty code* still though)

• More than two levels of nesting (war crime)

[livid oracle]

btw it's 35 degrees for sure right? i assume that's the degrees you used

[misty plover]

Ignore the weapon.GetCenter() I forgot to remove that

[livid oracle]

so i guess here's the JI cone changes we know of so far:

• cone degrees decreased from 37.5 to 35
• checks intersection with the player's entire bbox instead of just their centre point
• comes out of the eyes now instead of the pyro's centre point

[misty plover]

Yep

[livid oracle]

can you check if like

[livid oracle]

if this would count

[misty plover]

Let me enable box draw

[livid oracle]

basically checking if the new cone has infinite range

or at least just enough range to reach the box's corner

btw imo it's easier to test this with a pyro bot instead being the pyro for this

[potent wolf]

cone length is logged in the video

[misty plover]

Yes

Kinda?

[livid oracle]

wait wdym kinda

[livid oracle]

256?

[potent wolf]

yeah

[livid oracle]

the box's diagonal length would be ~362

however the cone does start inside it

i forgot what the box's offset is from the pyro

i do know it's offset from the eyes, not the pyro's centre

[misty plover]

Does the box move up/down with view angle I forget

[livid oracle]

it does

might be in this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNnYJwW_3DI

nvm he doesnt mention the offset

@misty plover oh it's literally just 128 units

[misty plover]

Mmm then no the cone isn't infinite length

Oh interesting vscript draws stay in your demos?

Anyways I'm gonna nap

I'm still running a fever and all that

[livid oracle]

so does this not reach?

this is a 256-length cone

[kind falcon]

that being blanket

[potent wolf]

[kind falcon]

are you guys edating?

[livid oracle]

@potent wolf request: can you test this

[potent wolf]

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/soggy-cat-gif-5230434060612508653

[livid oracle]

these players would be ~240 units apart

in both x and y

[potent wolf]

tomorrow, am going to bed

[livid oracle]

cringe!

guess im opening tf2

[kind falcon]

Why would this reach.

[livid oracle]

the user known as UB claims it did

[misty plover]

Doesn't

I thought at first you needed to be intersecting with the airblast box over a certain amount but you don't

[livid oracle]

ok so the cone is not long enough to reach the corner of the box

yeah you just need to touch it

[misty plover]

Its hard to visualize the cone properly cause I'm not able to freecam lol

[kind falcon]

like bros name is literally ub. wait. like bros name is literally wget

you two probably stink

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-fear-shaking-scared-gif-3573734305351084870

[misty plover]

"robert"

[kind falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/941838491657068557/1212702665868443689/TxcKoJZtjf0DNj_X.gif

robert the cat

[livid oracle]

this means this is the actual player airblast shape at 45 degrees

@next nymph how does this make you feel

[misty plover]

Idk why but I thought you needed to be past the center of the airblastee's BB hence "kinda"

[misty plover]

I love this actually

[kind falcon]

diamond

[limpid panther]

trippy]

[misty plover]

Cone that morphs into a cut diamond when rotated 👍

[formal dew]

jungle inferno is real

we needed to trust the plan

[misty plover]

Wait hold on another thing I want to test is projectiles let me boot up walkway

[summer steeple]

I mean if you think about it I think this kinda works out because of player bboxes not rotating

so you have the pointy end into the diamond

and the flat end into the flat end

[kind falcon]

now make an over complicated visual representation of it

[potent wolf]

or at least thats what get passed to isconeintersectingbox, check how that value gets used (h in truncatedcone_t)

[kind falcon]

cryptic messages

[misty plover]

Okay good projectiles only care about the box still that's gamer

[livid oracle]

yeah it should be unaffected

[misty plover]

Yeah but i wanted to sanity check just incase they meant to change that in JI and never did too lol

Wait how old is this bug then, five years it went like this? And we assumed it was intentional? Wack

[livid oracle]

yeah lmao

[misty plover]

Oh I think I found why it always returned true

Maybe

Relies on some assumptions I can't prove rn

[livid oracle]

what's your guess anyway

[misty plover]

tr.startsolid; is what IsBoxIntersectingCone returns. Looking at the call path it uses DoSweep which calls SweepSingleConvex.
This goes down a way untill

// contains the origin
if ( simplex.SolveGJKSet( vert, &m_pointClosestToIntersection ) )
{
   // Removed for brevity
}

Which if passes it then solves along the sweep, and checks the ray's length.

if the ray length is set to zero the check fails, startsolid and allsolid is set to true.

if ( m_ray->m_length != 0 )
{
    // Removed for brevity
}
else
{
    m_trace.startsolid = true;
    m_trace.allsolid = true;
    m_traceLength = 0;
}

IsBoxIntersectingCone(Bool) returns tr.startsolid and coincidentally the ray it feeds into the trace has a length of 0

// offset the space of this sweep so that the surface is at the origin of the solution space
CTraceRay ray( vec3_origin, vec3_origin );

[livid oracle]

what makes the behaviour different between 32 and 64 bit

[misty plover]

Gonna guess behavior was changed somewhere in this (since the comment seems to imply its not supposed to have a length of zero?)

Would need Replay to decomp it

bool CPhysicsTrace::IsBoxIntersectingCone( const Vector &boxAbsMins, const Vector &boxAbsMaxs, const truncatedcone_t &cone )
{
    trace_t tr;
    CM_ClearTrace( &tr );
    bool bPoint = (boxAbsMins == boxAbsMaxs) ? true : false;
    CTraceAABB box( boxAbsMins - cone.origin, boxAbsMaxs - cone.origin, bPoint );
    CTraceCone traceCone( cone, -cone.origin );

    // offset the space of this sweep so that the surface is at the origin of the solution space
    CTraceRay ray( vec3_origin, vec3_origin );

    CTraceSolver solver( &tr, &box, &ray, &traceCone, boxAbsMaxs );
    solver.DoSweep();

    return tr.startsolid;
}

But yeah, I think the ray they pass in has a length of zero pre-ji

And coincidentally ntohing uses IsBoxIntersectingCone in the pre-ji codebase (as far as I can tell)

[livid oracle]

i assume nothing other than the airblast uses it even in post-JI

[misty plover]

Most likely

So why it got fixed would be even more confusing

And it also once again relies on simplex.SolveGJKSet returning true which it shouldn't in this case

The only other answer is its reading uninitialized memory

[misty plover]

Actually no wait is it literally that

But why would it be consistently always be passing back then? There should be a nonzero chance of it failing and rejecting no?

Head hurt

Those are the two answers I can find looking at the code, it seems more than possible that the trace isn't initialized properly though so tr.startsolid is junk

No, CM_ClearTrace memsets it to zero

[misty plover]

Which means this has to pass, which it shouldn't be able to

[fathom eagle]

Where is spycrab? Is he alright?

[heavy solar]

@fathom eagle has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

[misty plover]

I eated it

[livid oracle]

anyway i confirm this

it only reaches when you touch the cone, length of 256

[left sand]

is the edge of the cone curved

[livid oracle]

@misty plover can you send your visualisation script

[livid oracle]

just outright flat

quite funny

[misty plover]

Sure just ignore drawDebugLines its not a real function

This function does not exist

I would never write this

I would have used the actual draw box 🙏 surely 🙏 I totally didn't forget about it 🙏

[unborn pecan]

https://youtu.be/Uu8RoKC807I

[languid haven]

Why link his video?

[misty plover]

What if I did something absolutely awful and made it so it draws the cones with circles instead

[unborn pecan]

i like it

[languid haven]

Itd probably just lag.

And would look something out of roblox.

[misty plover]

I'd have it draw in a fixed amount of circles like I do already for the line config

[livid oracle]

oh yeah idk why i didnt notice this first it's definitely flat at the bottom

[misty plover]

Epico

[livid oracle]

apparently this is what a truncated cone is, it's definitely not this though

it's only 4 values

[misty plover]

Nvm deleting those those posts I was wrong

[livid oracle]

1984

[next nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-face-cat-meme-cat-puke-cat-vomit-cat-coughing-meme-gif-22332765

[high current]

Are there any examples of CHUDAutoAim being used in a hud? I’ve seen the code for it but I’ve never seen the element or seen anyone talk about it.

[livid oracle]

chud auto aim

[unborn pecan]

https://tenor.com/bRjUb.gif

[high current]

Yeh but what’s it look like?

[kind falcon]

nothing

it does nothing

[high current]

Then why’d Joshie tweet about it?

[livid oracle]

chud auto aim

[limpid panther]

@livid oracle he tweeted about it because it does nothing, resulted in a crash, and yet HUD makers still use it

[high current]

I’m surprised I didn’t see anything about it. Though it makes sense people trying to use that wouldn’t be the ones in the huds.tf discord.

[misty plover]

Wtf why are you leaking the name of my cheat... I thought what we had was special...

[livid oracle]

chud auto aim

[misty plover]

Chud auto aim

[livid oracle]

@potent wolf another favour : can you check if CTFWeaponBase::DeflectProjectiles (or maybe CTFFlameThrower::DeflectProjectiles?) uses UTIL_EntitiesInBox or UTIL_EntitiesInSphere

also where'd you get "deflection_radius" from?

[misty plover]

[livid oracle]

i want Confirmation if the airblast is also supposed to be using a sphere instead of a cube

[livid oracle]

explain...

[misty plover]

I'm putting chemicals in your water supply so you forget about the airblast

You're in too deep it's for your own good

[unborn pecan]

the chemicals in question:

[sterile ferry]

looks deadly

[misty plover]

Yeah I'm adding h2o2 it

That joke sucked

[sterile ferry]

anyone know why reflect jumping with cow mangler sends you notably further than regular rockets (even if its not a charged shot)

[livid oracle]

does it deal more self-damage than regular rockets?

like sentry rockets (deals up to 170 self-dmg)

[sterile ferry]

yes

[livid oracle]

well then that's it

[sterile ferry]

but why it do that

[livid oracle]

i didnt even realise it would affect cow mangler rockets too

[small siren]

*i didnt even

realise it would affect cow

mangler rockets too*

- Green Light (Breaking Bad)

[sterile ferry]

wht would affect

[livid oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvGbGDuHZaI

read desc

guess i'm adding cow mangler rockets to this

[sterile ferry]

[misty plover]

There's no way I never noticed this

Has to be misinformation

[sterile ferry]

i dont have like

scientific proof of this

but if you were to jump off a cow mangler and a regular rocket

youd notice the difference

[sterile ferry]

is 89.63 the max self-damage a reflect rocket can do

[grim parcel]

@livid oracle can’t believe you’re reddit famous
https://rxddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1cax67m/unconfirmed_apparently_spycrabs_are_no_more/

[livid oracle]

woke reddit be like: rxddit

[summer willow]

wake up baby, bots are back

[misty plover]

They've been back for a bit

[rare creek]

spycrabs still work

[grim parcel]

nu uh reddit said otherwise

[misty plover]

Lying

[kind falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/941838491657068557/1212702665868443689/TxcKoJZtjf0DNj_X.gif

[formal dew]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9oBJcleHGjUJNyraXLWCT5nS-KesZbSPmNKp8CFKpCA/https/i.imgur.com/OmUTKht.png

chat is this real

[livid oracle]

where'd you get this

seems fake

[grizzled chasm]

Can every pyro vs demo/soldier interaction just be decided with a game of four squares so we don’t have to think about this cone business anymore

[limpid panther]

what's four squares?

okay, I had some scheduling problems, but I'm fairly certain Im gonna start testing when I get home

so it's gonna be:
test one:

• TF2 highest through UI
• TF2 lowest through UI
• mastercomfig low
• mastercomfig low + hud playermodel

hud test:

• lighthud
• middlemann
• most of the others I tested before

hud test 2:

• same but no match hud

any other suggestions?

[livid oracle]

whats middlemann for

[limpid panther]

it's the name of a hud

the one with Hale doing the Anaconda pose

it seems to be a popular hud. But I'm not into huds so I don't know

[livid oracle]

i mean like does it usually have better or worse fps than the default hud

[limpid panther]

I heard people say its unoptimized, but I'm sure its just hate because of the afromentioned hale doing the anaconda pose

[livid oracle]

that is true

[high current]

I feel like there are more complex huds like zees or weirdcore from the looks of it. They’re just complicated in the sense that they use lots of custom materials, which shouldn’t be absurdly laggy either way.

[high current]

Could be interesting to test with/without friendslist enable if you do your testing online. Supposedly a lot of people used to get stutters that were fixed by disabling that element.

My bad meant to make that as a reply to @limpid panther

[livid oracle]

were going to kill and eat you

[high current]

Don’t threaten me with a good time

[potent wolf]

vtable 2 lines up, leads to CTFFlameThrower::GetDeflectionRadius

[kind falcon]

hacker

[potent wolf]

UTIL_EntitiesInSphere

which leads to the box test

same as the leaked code

[summer steeple]

ficool weighed in on the airblast change

specifically this is in response to jane’s github post

[potent wolf]

yeah that makes sense

the question is where the issue is

i think i might have spotted an issue, but i need to confirm it

[small siren]

*i think i might have

spotted an issue, but i

need to confirm it*

- replay

[languid haven]

oh btw i found a consistent issue but i need to find the map

it was the oot map

in the hole before the flag pole when climbing down death mountain the brush's geometry is so beyond fucked that it's not even visibly a room. looks like i played a n64 game with a bad emulator but it's in tf2

[grim parcel]

UB? rust would fix this

[potent wolf]

C++ is so good

no problems here

[summer steeple]

"no way to fix this, says users of only language where this regularly happens"

[languid haven]

rust takes a longer to compile

[potent wolf]

this is an incredibly severe problem

[summer steeple]

this broken airblast installed malware onto my computer and used that to fuck my wife

[languid haven]

ok how many iterations of the same code do you think it's possible to write before the compiler doesn't make a mistake in it? think of it like a translator.

[potent wolf]

what are you talking about?

UB doesn't mean the the compiler is making a mistake

it's a language ""feature""

[languid haven]

you guys have been using the steam forums too much.

[potent wolf]

explain

[potent wolf]

actually, explain this first

i did not get an explanation :(

guess i'll just never understand

[languid haven]

ok if it fucked up converting c++ to machine code because of some optimization or misread of data. it's like a translator that mistakes the spanish word for black as a english nword. that's as good as my bad explanation can go XD

[potent wolf]

No, optimizations like that aren't incorrect, they're just absolutely insane. The C++ specification explicitly allows them to do that.

[unborn pecan]

Hydrogen peroxide is dangerous.....

[languid haven]

wait is it possible to disable those specific optimizations in parts of your code but still have it used for most of it?

[potent wolf]

for some of them you can, but the problem is that C++ makes it incredibly easy to shoot yourself in the foot by default

[languid haven]

it dissolves flesh.

[languid haven]

yeah that makes sense

[potent wolf]

safe rust code just doesn't let you do stupid things that cause UB

[languid haven]

have you made a game in rust?

[potent wolf]

no

[limpid panther]

by friendslist do you mean the steam overlay?

[languid haven]

good cause i don't know anyone else whom has either

[potent wolf]

ok? what's your point

[jagged pawn]

can someone explain why the top right works pre-ji but not the the center left

is it because the cone used to not be truncated? or something else

[languid haven]

pre-ji i thought it had to be both to count.

[jagged pawn]

ok now look at the image jim

[potent wolf]

am confuse, which one is center-left

[jagged pawn]

Will be airblasted only on 32-bit post-JI and 64-bit post-JI

I'm not getting why that one wouldn't count pre-JI basically

[potent wolf]

pre-JI, the center of the bbox has to intersect the cone

[jagged pawn]

ok that's what I thought but then why does top right work

was cone bigger then?

[potent wolf]

because the cone was infinitely long pre-JI

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5522#issuecomment-2071853901

[jagged pawn]

ah yeah that'll do it lol ty

[languid haven]

that sounds like a huge oversight and an unoptimized code

[potent wolf]

no

the cone check is only run if the box check passes

[languid haven]

ah

[high current]

The friendslist on the hud on the main menu screen.

[unborn pecan]

@grim parcel

@grim parcel

@grim parcel

getchoo

is there somebody named KRUM in ur server

Krum

[broken haven]

krum

[grim parcel]

yes there was

[unborn pecan]

they just told me about u

I just joined

😭

why u leave

[grim parcel]

i was going to play overwatch

[grim parcel]

have you made a game in raw machine code? checkmate.

[unborn pecan]

owned

[jagged pawn]

my game would slow to like 10fps every time I paused lol yeah it sucks, dunno if that's fixed now

[jagged pawn]

no it's definitely unoptimized, most of it is just slapped together haphazardly from other huds and I say that as someone who used it for a while

the fonts broke on it once and I reached out to the creator about it and like 20 minutes later he sent me a fixed version that just put multiple mentions of the fonts everywhere lmao, then he asked if it worked and it did and he shipped it

[languid haven]

whatever happened to these cosmetics? haven't ever seen this and i started playing pre-ji https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Grand_Duchess

shit i wasn't meant to reply to that

[cursive peak]

Saw them the most back around when they came out.

[jagged pawn]

there are probably thousands of cosmetics that you've never seen before

that's not exactly shocking

[languid haven]

no what's shocking is no one can really use them because they don't drop.

[jagged pawn]

people wear them when they drop and then most of them fizzle out from there, it's exceedingly rare for a cosmetic to stick around in popularity for a long time

[small siren]

*no what's shocking is

no one can really use them

because they don't drop.*

- jimbimbum

[jagged pawn]

99% of cosmetics don't drop

[languid haven]

they should

also voicelines shouldn't need a set. say if your equiped 2 or 1 of a set it'd count would be better

[jagged pawn]

lmao

[high current]

Eh. My inventory is already bloated with the thousand other things that drop. I don’t really need a bunch of hats dropping

[cursive peak]

Idling for the Halloween cosmetics just made Scream Fortress unplayable after the first few days.

[high current]

The rate they drop at now is a “oh not a weapon or crate” surprise. Any more and it’d just be another sigh

[languid haven]

i have over 50 cases, it i can convert even 1/3 of it to hats. it'd be a gain.

fuck even 1/4

[high current]

I think I have 18 originals since my last crafting session. And like 6 modest pile of hats

[languid haven]

i've had 2 pink paint cans randomly drop.