Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[unborn pecan]

I really don't understand it

[summer steeple]

32bit computers are in an extremely small minority now, and so aside from the very small number of people who will not be able to play tf2 anymore (if the 32bit client doesn't work), a 64bit client allows for
A. new optimizations
B. being able to use more than 4GB of ram allows for some limits to be raised
C. compatibility/performance as some systems start to remove 32bit support or emulate it rather than natively support it.

[languid haven]

there should be a website listing why 64bit is just better to just paste.

[summer steeple]

for reference, 0.08% of steam users (not tf2 players, steam users), use a windows version that isn't 7-11 x64

[limpid panther]

thanks. No idea how I landed in 5559

[summer steeple]

and even among those, steam already doesn't support versions below win 10 anymore

and finding someone using w10 32bit is... slim

[languid haven]

is steam client 64bit or still 32bit?

[unborn pecan]

both

I think

[summer steeple]

judging by what my task manager says, its 32bit

[languid haven]

cause if it's 64bit why even bother supporting 32bit?

ah ok

[unborn pecan]

there are 64bit steam comoponents though

like steam overlay for 64bit games

etc

but the client gui

[summer steeple]

yeah

[unborn pecan]

is like 32bit

[summer steeple]

steam client webhelber is x64

[unborn pecan]

even on linux

fardhelper

[summer steeple]

and thats what does most of the work i think

of these steam process I have open right now, only 1 (steam.exe) is 32 bit

[languid haven]

so they can't even use steam on 32bit then

[unborn pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/275004607690702848/1212826647741341757/dougie_funny.gif

dougie is

128bit

[drowsy marlin]

So what does 64 bit mean for the future of tf2?

[unborn pecan]

more bits to store porn sprays

[drowsy marlin]

Does it just mean that game will still work in the far future, or could it hint towards more content coming?

[summer steeple]

yes and no

hypothetically, the next step from here is increasing mapping limits

allowing mappers to make more detailed/complex maps

[unborn pecan]

edict limit increase

NOW

[drowsy marlin]

Why not go through the effort for a Source 2 port? Or is that out of scope

[summer steeple]

thats much more work

[drowsy marlin]

If the goal is easier content creation

Damn...

[summer steeple]

and to my knowledge most of the work on the new client was done by the contractor joshie

so thats like one person

meanwhile it took valve years and a whole team to port cs to source 2 (while also leaving a lot of features behind)

granted the hypothetical source 2 update most people want is just tf2... on source 2

with no other changes

[rare creek]

please port tf2 to unreal engine 5

[drowsy marlin]

What I want out of TF2 is a big bug fix and polish update

[potent wolf]

that's basically what we've been getting recently, just in small increments

[drowsy marlin]

Which the 64 port is exactly the stuff I want. I want more things like that

[small siren]

*that's basically what

we've been getting recently,

just in small increments*

- replay

[unborn pecan]

we need

mcoms to be contracted

by valvie

[summer steeple]

we need dougie in tf2

tf2: the dougie update

[unborn pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/275004607690702848/1212826647741341757/dougie_funny.gif

DOUGIE 10th CLASS

DOUGIE SWEEEp

[drowsy marlin]

Mcoms would doubt herself, but thats why we are here because we know she can slay at Valve

[unborn pecan]

OOOOOORAH

[drowsy marlin]

We need to cheer masty on

[unborn pecan]

slayt

[summer steeple]

dude remember the fanmade dog class

thats dougie

[unborn pecan]

nope!

dougie is no FANMADE

dougie is canon

[summer steeple]

it was made when valve actually shouted out community stuff on the blog

they made this

[languid haven]

the problem with playable dog class is you give me a valid excuse for to uncloak shoot the dog and disappear.

[limpid panther]

this right here, this is the kind of creative, humorous and on-brand shit that I absolutely ADORE about this game

I'm gonna start testing now

I plan on doing max AND minimum settings (by in-game UI), mastercomfig low and mastercomfig high

[summer steeple]

if possible, i'd recommend making sure that hud_player_model is enabled even on low

[limpid panther]

are there other setups anybody wishes me to include?

[summer steeple]

because they added the optimization that makes it basically free

[limpid panther]

I'm gonna start on Linux, then move to windows

[summer steeple]

make sure you don't use the opengl addon

at least when you test vulkan

[limpid panther]

oh yea, I might do mastercomfig low + hud_player_model

[limpid panther]

yea, I always setup the game from scratch, so no worries there

[summer steeple]

also, linked someone to your benchmarking tool yesterday cause they were lamenting not having a way to benchmark tf2

no clue if they used it tho

[tough locust]

straight outta january 2018

[languid haven]

heey what's the max i can set my decal limit to? i've absolutely have been loving tf2 with the walls covered in blood and bullet holes

[potent wolf]

what is this

[jagged pawn]

leak

[summer steeple]

frontline lmao

[mystic turtle]

lmfao, frontline

like, I always sorta wondered what the heck happened with it

as a relatively new guy in the TF2 community

[summer steeple]

to my knowledge, nothing

it just didn't get picked up by valve

most of the asset packs didn't

the ones that got picked up are like... swamp

and bits and pieces of japan and mayann

i think swamp is the only one that got picked up in full

japan has assets in suijin and uhhhh that steeltype map from last summer

mayann some of which was used in JI

[mystic turtle]

also Spy vs Engie is boring, we already had Spy vs Sniper, Soldier vs Demo, and Heavy vs Pyro in JI (indirectly)
Scout, Engie, Med, and Heavy would be good picks
Oh shit, Heavy and Medic update. Piss off the homophobes with GET BEHIND ME DOCTOR becoming canon lol

[summer steeple]

actually i'm not sure if any of it was used in JI, aside from cosmetics

[mystic turtle]

sulfur

[summer steeple]

thats the one

frontline actually is in tf2 a tiny bit

pier uses frontline props

but there's "official" content packs (essentially made by a team and posted as like a big thing) like london and construction which are not in tf2 in any form

and there's a few maps that made their own props that then got picked up partially from other maps

but those aren't really content packs tbh

its just that usually after a map is artpassed you'll see the creators share the assets because theres basically no reason not to

if it gets used and gets put into the game you get money

like I can download and use the selbyen assets with the only requirement being crediting the creators

which includes if it goes on the workshop since thats how people get paid if it gets in

[potent wolf]

@balmy root https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5755#issuecomment-2067348528 the reason some of the gl_* convars still exist is that they're part of the "launcher" module, rather than the ToGL module. The convars that are in ToGL don't exist because ToGL is never loaded when using DXVK.

[balmy root]

huh

[potent wolf]

they're actually used in the launcher module when using opengl, so it's not as simple as just removing them

[balmy root]

wdym by the "launcher" module? something like to launch vulkan requires opengl old code?

[potent wolf]

launcher.dll, which is responsible for loading the rest of the engine, and creating the game window

[balmy root]

hmm

interesting, thx for the info

[jagged pawn]

yeah a lot of stuff from the asset packs does end up getting used here and there, there are like 30 frontline cosmetics in the game and jungle inferno was basically just a mayann update lol

honestly the only straight up failed one is iron gauntlet, which valve didn't even touch

[summer steeple]

I mean you say that but valve hasn't touched a lot of them

like the aforementioned london and construction packs

[jagged pawn]

oh I mean of the ones that like

people cared about

lol

[summer steeple]

oh lmao

[jagged pawn]

like was anyone posting on twitter like VALVE PLEASE ADD THE LONDON UPDATE I'M BEGGING

I guess journey to the east also flopped but that's its own story

[languid haven]

hey, aliases are broken in 64x

[potent wolf]

they are?

[summer steeple]

i haven't had any issues

[languid haven]

i can't bind keys to activate an alias for some reason'

[potent wolf]

works for me

[languid haven]

alias att_state att_on alias att_on "+attack; alias att_state att_off" alias att_off "-attack; alias att_state att_on" bind q att_state doesn't work idk why

[potent wolf]

oh hm

if that worked on 32bit you should make a bug report

[languid haven]

ok now works

i think the preconfig doesn't work

[tough locust]

not sure exactly but I use 2048, try 9999 and see what it gets set to

[tough locust]

Tyler mcvicker speculation

[tough locust]

they've been drip feeding some of the best future forward updates for a while now, vscript, 100 player support, now 64 bit. it's all shadow dropped stuff that gives legroom for way more creativity

[orchid sorrel]

werent those after the game got abandoned

and yeah regarding iron gauntlet I think the reception to robotic boogaloo made them not want to touch mvm/robot themed updates

[summer steeple]

i don't think so

[orchid sorrel]

https://london.tf2maps.net/

this is what were talking about right

it says 2021

[summer steeple]

oh

was construction also that recenty?

[jagged pawn]

nah construction was 2011

[orchid sorrel]

yea construction was ancient

might be pre uber update

[jagged pawn]

eh I don't think it's that, they just didn't feel like mvm was worth touching again. they haven't done anything with it since 2013

[orchid sorrel]

i mean robotic boogaloo didnt really have any mvm content either

although in hindsight I dont really know why they didnt just merge 2cities with robotic boogaloo

[jagged pawn]

right which is why I don't really think it has anything to do with this lol

[jagged pawn]

good question

[spare obsidian]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5781 finally someone said that

[summer steeple]

apparently -nod3d9ex causes crashes too

[balmy root]

🤔 if I'm not mistaken that was removed from CSGO

there was a time where it used to not have it, then there was -d3d9ex to enable it experimentally, then it got removed permanently, idk, something like that

years and years ago

probably they're going to remove it from tf2 as well if there's enough crash reports about it

[formal dew]

forgive me but what changed with the sound system

[languid haven]

SDL3?

[summer steeple]

sdl3 isn't out yet

[languid haven]

how come i have it installed?

[balmy root]

maybe a preview version?

but i think tf2 does not use your system's libraries

it uses steam runtime sniper to provide the necessary libraries

[potent wolf]

tf2 uses the steam runtime version of SDL2

[green tulip]

miles was switched out with minimp3 iirc

[potent wolf]

the new snd_ convars may a CSGO backport, since they convars exist in the leaked csgo code

[green tulip]

which ones?

have a list?

[potent wolf]

https://github.com/mastercomfig/mastercomfig/commit/561b072fb608f6437b90753aa30c2ada959b93ef

[balmy root]

the audio system has been changed to from Miles to something, so I guess we have CSGO audio features (even if partially)

not sure if it's related to the Valve project "Steam audio"

[rare creek]

fov_desired is still capped at 90

why does valve hate us

[kind falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/941838491657068557/1212702665868443689/TxcKoJZtjf0DNj_X.gif

[zealous pond]

Just buy an ultrawide.

[rare creek]

ohhh my fuckign god Valve did NOT read the mastercomfig docs

[potent wolf]

there's no more heap memory left 🙀

[left sand]

the audio cache was reworked as well afaik

also most of the sound playback device code

[left sand]

no longer 32 bit

[balmy root]

fov_desired default is still 75

why does valve hate us?!

[rare creek]

75 fov is absolutely miserable

[eternal haven]

Personally Im glad that fov can be capped at 108 degrees and people aren't running around with 150 fov

No need for it to be higher than 108

[rare creek]

i want 130 fov

to be the cap

[cursive peak]

I use 120 in a lot of other games.

[surreal valley]

Yo what does not being connected to the tf game coordinator service mean?

[summer steeple]

it means you can't queue for casual

[surreal valley]

Uh

Also is steam trading down

Tried to trade from a couple sites and none of them are working

Weird

[languid haven]

hey does tf2 make crashlogs?

[rare creek]

n o

if you want to know what caused a crash you have to read the mind of the computer

[summer steeple]

-condebug -conclearlog will output the console log to a file

[misty plover]

I'm tempted to start janitoring the github issues cause a lot of the questions and issues are already answered elsewhere

[misty plover]

Steam itself uses sdl3 iirc but TF2 doesn't

[misty plover]

Missing the UB update where they give me access to all the servers and I can ban whoever I want with impunity???

[grim parcel]

maybe if i make a video about how much the default settings suck they’ll fix it

i don’t think anyone has done that yet

[misty plover]

Surely

Surely there's not a certain youtuber who used to make videos on cave story nsfw mods who made a video documenting how bad the default settings are

[summer steeple]

make videos on WHAT

[misty plover]

It's been a literal decade since then but it always sticks in my memory that he did that

[mystic turtle]

what you post to the internet stays on the internet

[radiant merlin]

update not enough to keep 100 player server to stable 60 fps

:c

[balmy root]

even with no hats etc. (shounic's things)?

I think entity limited will be raised after some time

[radiant merlin]

oh right

i haven't notice lol

there are hats now

[balmy root]

shounic with the tests they have been doing they disable hats and so on

anything that's non-essentinal to gameplay

dropped weapons also IIRC

I mean 100 players won't be stable rn, but maybe in the future

I think 64 would be stable with hats and so on

but servers need to update to the 64-bit too

it seems like servers by default still run on 32-bit

[radiant merlin]

idk they should disable hats

but not all hats so i can still use my wiki cap

[balmy root]

shiny cap!

https://tenor.com/view/emilly-araujo-shining-hat-hat-gif-12576042

^ average cap holder

[radiant merlin]

also, i've been playing with csgo footsteps because there's a "casual fix" for sounds too

they have helped me already twice

another thing to fix

[languid haven]

not it doesn't, i just installed it manually a few days ago when people mentioned it. i used yay

[rare creek]

the hats are supposed to be disabled but the plugin broke somehow

[small siren]

*the hats are supposed

to be disabled but the

plugin broke somehow*

- totallynotniteruxiswear

[balmy root]

wdym?

[radiant merlin]

casual bypass

[rare creek]

can sv_pure be removed in team comtress

[balmy root]

are the CSGO footsteps a mod?

[radiant merlin]

yes

[balmy root]

doesn't need to be removed, sv_pure -1 would be sufficient

[radiant merlin]

https://gamebanana.com/sounds/61762 this one is not casual fixed btw

[rare creek]

yes but it doesnt work if i dont run the server which sucks

[balmy root]

real gamers play team fortress classic 😎💪

[rare creek]

i wuldnt suggest sv_pure be removed if i owned casual...

[small siren]

*i wuldnt suggest

sv_pure be removed if

i owned casual...*

- totallynotniteruxiswear

[rare creek]

actually inwould cause it still causes bugs

evem when -1

[kind falcon]

adhd demon

[kind falcon]

is that my favorite aaron guy…

[kind falcon]

make a pr

[unborn pecan]

@left sand Believe it or not, I just used your GUI mastercomfig configurator for the first time today, great job!

I was wondering why some of the config showed up in cfg/app and the other cfg/overrides

Wasn't something depricated here?

[summer steeple]

no

overrides is for YOUR stuff, i.e. stuff that you will edit
app is for stuff that the website edits

[kind falcon]

deprecated

user was deprecated

[unborn pecan]

I see

[unborn pecan]

oh word

cool

https://tenor.com/bFoU5.gif

[fickle dragon]

Welp, I guess not only bots are already back, cheaters are too. Just met my first one today

[unborn pecan]

rip

[livid oracle]

fail

[kind falcon]

talking about cathook and most of the hosters

still they can be hosted from previous branches because cool game

[mystic turtle]

I actually only have seen one cheater so far

triggerbot sniper who only got headshots

[fickle dragon]

I got a shortstop scout lmao

[mystic turtle]

lmfao

[mystic turtle]

silliest part was he was using an aussie

he should've used a prof ks strange heatmaker

if headshots are the only thing he can land then he may as well use the gun that turns you into headshot Jesus

Or the bargain IDK

[livid oracle]

solution: remove -textmode, remove linux support, remove retry command

[unborn pecan]

so

I played tf2 on my laptop

Ryzen 5625U APU

This dxvk is so goated

constant 80fps (capped)

medium-high

with the playermodel on

it's actually amazing

Thank u jooshie

[fickle dragon]

It's nice, I was able to go from medium preset to high and still keep my constant 140 fps on PC

[unborn pecan]

yeah it's swag

[fickle dragon]

Now we just wait for mastercomfig 10 for extra +20% fps boost

[sterile ferry]

is dxvk some linux shit

[fickle dragon]

Not just linux, works on windows too

Converts DirectX to Vulkan

[sterile ferry]

oh

how enable

[jagged pawn]

-vulkan in launch options

[livid oracle]

is it not enabled by default

[jagged pawn]

not on windows

[livid oracle]

wtf

[jagged pawn]

yeah no clue why lol

I guess just an abundance of caution

[kind falcon]

because directx runs the same if not better

oh oh i wonder why portal2 had never had vulkan as main rendering pipeline on windows

[sterile ferry]

because it doesnt launch

[kind falcon]

solely your computers issue

[jagged pawn]

have you tried switching to linux

[kind falcon]

for me it does launch, does work but the performance is dogshit

[kind falcon]

have you tried pulling any bitches irl

[jagged pawn]

oh interesting

[sterile ferry]

Never

[jagged pawn]

yeah I guess that's why it's not default LOL

just a little shocked it runs poorly

[kind falcon]

rather not poorly. the fps is like, the same, but there are constant freezes

[jagged pawn]

I mean that's poorly lol

[kind falcon]

mayhaps

[sterile ferry]

also is softparticlesdefaultoff a useless/bad launch option or do it help

[kind falcon]

i think that launch option is not present in tf2

[sterile ferry]

Awesome

[fickle dragon]

I've got no issues with Vulkan here except for that slow alt tab, honestly I'm just going to use it blind without testing if it actually helps or not

on Windows 11

[jagged pawn]

uhhhhhhh guys got this popup when I launched the new update?

[sterile ferry]

Valve finally good update?

[kind falcon]

watch an ad and get 30 seconds of crits

[jagged pawn]

LMAO

[tacit flare]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/minecraft_gamepedia/images/9/96/Locked_Chest_Message.gif

[burnt dragon]

heavy metal is such a cool name for an update

somewhat "fixing" the economy by bringing a better variant to refs

and tweaking the drop system would be cool

[tacit flare]

Imagine if a metal sink existed.

[burnt dragon]

getting low tier skins etc

[burnt dragon]

metal sink does exist wdym lmao

did you ever go to your kitchen?

[tacit flare]

Your sinks are metal?

[burnt dragon]

hmm... ours is marble

but Im sure theres metal ones

[tacit flare]

Yeah in like restraunts and fastfood etc.

[burnt dragon]

I see them in runescape all the time

[burnt dragon]

so it does exist! checkmate!

but yeah

theres some skins that are as lame as getting gun drops

getting them and rarely some better skins would be cool

could create some revenue for valve as well

[tacit flare]

That one time Valve brought in an actual economists to manage TF2's economy.

Who then went on to be Greece's finance minister.

[jagged pawn]

all hail yanis

[sterile ferry]

i got one

[burnt dragon]

LMAO

that explains a lot to be honest

[cursive peak]

He was there to study the TF2 economy, not run it.

[tacit flare]

Feeling cute, might mass sell my collection of buds and cause a massive crash.

[blazing cloud]

I've been trying to buy as many merry cones as I can reasonably afford so I can create a gap in the market

I probably wont sell them ill just give them all cute names

this is not a joke btw

[next nymph]

and jagex also used it to make the same pun in the opposite direction https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Gold_sink

[burnt dragon]

@blazing cloud you scare me.

[burnt dragon]

oh yeah I want to build one of these

training construction in my Ironman and thats my end goal

0.0001 xp per gp is such a good rate

[next nymph]

i only did mahogany homes til 50 on my uim because construction is brutal to train and im bad

[burnt dragon]

oh I can imagine for UIM it can be

my condolances lol

I want to get a max POH

its SO useful

[next nymph]

im not getting 100m any time soon and definitely not going to blow it on a sink

[burnt dragon]

not smart for an UIM lol

but even then

what can you spend it on?

if I had 100mil I would either make it all into planks then buy max bank slots after that spend rest on either kingdom or runes

[next nymph]

100m worth of https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Monkey_nuts

[burnt dragon]

LOL

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Mind_goblin

[grizzled chasm]

anyone know how i can stop vulkan from making tf2 less bright?

[balmy root]

try changing your mat_monitorgamma and/or start the game with -sw -noborder launch options

[rare creek]

actually monitorgamma will only work in fullscreen, so don't do that

[grim parcel]

why does alt tabbing actually feel kinda normal now

that's wack

[lean cove]

valve owned again

[languid haven]

Why not just prevent 32bit from playing on 64bit servers?

[small siren]

*Why not just prevent

32bit from playing on

64bit servers?*

- jimbimbum

[kind falcon]

the servers themselves are still on x32 binaries

i might be spreading misinformation unintentionally

[languid haven]

Wait servers aren't 64bit?

[languid haven]

Sounds like bullshit cause potato MVM is broken cause they have 32bit plugins.

Look if there's less 32bit computers than linux before the steamdeck then i think it'd be best to just drop 32bit or have 32bit not able to join 64bit.

No one uses it but bothosters and no one is restricted to 32bit OSes plus they're not as modern or secure.

Could allow 64bit to still play on 32bit for backwards compatibility sake but no advantages to the other way around.

[blazing cloud]

well it's pretty simple to spoof version numbers, I'm assuming some servers are just doing that to not have to worry about updating plugins atm and still let players connect.

I am saying this because I manually replaced my steam.inf file from live tf2 into the beta branch and used the 64 bit client in casual for like, a month or so.

So yea 64 bit client can connect to 32 bit server and vice versa since they fundamentally talk to eachother in the same way. only thing actually blocking that connection is version ID

[languid haven]

can't check game id through steam?

[rare creek]

the clients have 32 bit versions, i have no reason to believe the servers dont as well

[tough locust]

has anyone gotten hammer++ working with TF2 after the update yet?

[summer steeple]

there’s a beta version in the tf2maps discord that works for the most part

needs to be installed to bin/x64 rather than bin

#217585440457228290 message

[tough locust]

word thanks

[potent wolf]

if you control the client you can spoof anything you want

[eternal haven]

If VAC was any better it would be a lot harder

But VAC is ass

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/crunch-luna-stare-cat-gif-12106551165382041393

[orchid sorrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1005900021729861653/1197286773731119195/speed.gif

[tall comet]

is there any way to enable vrr on wayland?

[heavy solar]

@tall comet has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)

[tall comet]

xorg works perfectly

[lean cove]

depends on the compositor, both plasma and gnome have it working

and probably all wlroots based ones

[tall comet]

i'm on gnome 45

[lean cove]

GNOME supports VRR as an experimental feature starting with version 46.

[tawny gate]

gnome has vrr on 46

[lean cove]

nevermind then

[tall comet]

but xorg works? I'm a little clueless

[lean cove]

it's probably something like the xorg server implementing it, rather than gnome

while on wayland gnome has to implement it into mutter

[left sand]

i love wayland

i love fragmentation

[tall comet]

ty for explaining

[kind falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072696252162117752/1230798868061491261/e4ce080cbdc1d7bbc708f5aaff578d9c-3-1-1.gif

i love stupid problems. and their stupid solutions

[eternal haven]

Is there any way on linux to use exclusive full screen like windows can?

eg. graphics driver sends your application frames straight to the monitor without going through any sort of compositor or 'display server' or anything

[unborn pecan]

The display servers have an exclusive full-screen mode u know

What you're describing is more like rendering direct to the kernel frame buffer or something

On x and wayland, they got exclusive full-screen modes

Also, with wayland, there is not increased latency due to the conpositor (due to everything being one) compared to x11's compositors system.

And, at least on KDE, you can have the compositor on wayland disable vsync on full screen applications

But, I leave it on since I really don't notice anything

Plus, no tearing

[eternal haven]

I don't know, I'm a windows user lol

I know on windows you can completely skip DWM for games if you want

I'll have to install linux sometime and check out what it's like

[rare creek]

why did valve seemingly choose to use the worst language possible to force people to do vscript in
wtf is squirrel

[summer steeple]

its epic is what it is

[fickle dragon]

Source 2 uses Lua for map scripting afaik, and apparently some people were not quite convinced that's an upgrade compared to Squirrel

[summer steeple]

its funny, squirrel was made as an alternative to lua because the creator saw his coworkers struggling with lua

and valve used it, and then went to lua

[unborn pecan]

When will source get

Dougie scripting

[rare creek]

the squirrel website doesn't even work

[summer steeple]

oh is it broken again lol

[rare creek]

it just redirects to an empty page

[summer steeple]

thats epic

you can use this

https://developer.electricimp.com/squirrel/squirrel-guide/introduction

its not a mirror but its another guide

let me find a pdf of the old docs

https://web.archive.org/web/20240405093414/http://www.squirrel-lang.org/squirreldoc/squirrel3.pdf

tbh squirrel is just lua if it was good

(I have not used lua)

[rare creek]

isnt lua specifically designed to be really really fast

like the JIT is as fast as C or something?

[fickle dragon]

I have only seen Squirrel when trying to reverse engineer a certain CSGO singleplayer map.
And "reverse engineer" in this context is just a fancy way of saying I was looking for a way to cheat in it.

[summer steeple]

thats because cs also uses it

[kind falcon]

it fast. but it only embedded.

• god bless

[summer steeple]

idk probably, but I haven't really had any issues with speed with vscript in tf2

[rare creek]

whatdoes this mean

[summer steeple]

as long as you're under 15ms per tick (pretty damn easy unless you really fuck things up), you're fine

[kind falcon]

i am crying.

who in the world came up with the idea to use lua for anything besides scripting

[kind falcon]

I am sorry for spreading misinformation.

[summer steeple]

honestly tho if you have any experience with a C based language squirrel is pretty similar

[unborn pecan]

https://zamundaaa.github.io/wayland/2021/12/14/about-gaming-on-wayland.html

Keep in mind

You can disable sync on wayland nowadays

[rare creek]

why didnt valve use moonscript or yuescript

[summer steeple]

biggest differences is that semicolons are optional and variables don't have a set type, they can just be anything

[slender nexus]

blame jimmy carter

[summer steeple]

also everything is in tables and scopes

[rare creek]

so it's javascript?

[summer steeple]

no its not dogshit

[kind falcon]

what

the fuck is either of those

[summer steeple]

for some reason dougie takes a few seconds to load now

[rare creek]

lua but it taste funny

[kind falcon]

no comment

[unborn pecan]

15MB dougie deployment is supreme

[unborn pecan]

I am uploading the gif from my phone instead of posting the hyperlink

[kind falcon]

dougie worldwyde

[unborn pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/275004607690702848/1212826647741341757/dougie_funny.gif

Hyperlink dougie

[summer steeple]

how many different dougies do you think are cached on my computer

[small siren]

*how many different

dougies do you think are cached

on my computer*

- treacherousfiend

[unborn pecan]

Whatever you had plus 1

[summer steeple]

epic

[kind falcon]

0

[summer steeple]

(had to resend as a reply so that if it gets onto starboard you can see the context of dougie)

[kind falcon]

Caching is bloat.

[unborn pecan]

Oh so based for that fiend

[drowsy marlin]

When will wayland finally be usable for gaming and stuff

[spare obsidian]

why would anybody use wayland when they know its not ready lol

[drowsy marlin]

That's what I'm saying

[rare creek]

this issue is so fucking braindead https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5777 the original report stated that using -steam launched tf2 in 32 bit mode 💀

[summer steeple]

alright, good to know

[unborn pecan]

I use wayland

I have no problems with it

Also, that article is from 2021

[whole scaffold]

@summer steeple — Ontem às 18:24
make sure you don't use the opengl addon

What is the best for me to use?Im on windows 10

[summer steeple]

wdym

like best graphics api?

because that message regarding the opengl addon was intended for someone else, benchmarking the game on linux

you can't use opengl on windows

you can only use directx and vulkan, and there's really no way to know which runs better for your system, you'll just have to try it

[shy edge]

wonder if anyone has a good idea of a 'proper' changelog of all the changes and work that went into this update since 'updated tf2 to 64-bit' doesnt seem to do it much justice 😅 . pieces together information like the 3D player char optimisation from tc2 being taken as inspiration or the updated libraries etc.

[kind falcon]

azure is a little stupid at times

is ok

[summer willow]

wayland is already used by most people btw

[kind falcon]

sorry, proof?

[languid haven]

That is the fatest lie i've seen this week and the steamdeck doesn't count cause it uses both.

[kind falcon]

linux discussion must be banned from this discord server

me thinks

[languid haven]

Says the clown

[kind falcon]

thats the gist of it

[grim parcel]

it is for most people
this is also linux we're talking about...

[languid haven]

It's still not ready, it works for some but not a majority of gpus.

[grim parcel]

it works for any remotely new gpu

the only issues it has are on nvidia gpus on xwayland apps
natively wayland apps work just fine

and that's going to be fixed on most machines within a few months

[spare obsidian]

Uses wayland
Figures out that wayland doesn't
Checks again
Wayland

I'm missing something?

[kind falcon]

doesnt what

[grim parcel]

doesn't.

[kind falcon]

why you greentexting big guy

it aint even green

[summer willow]

well, being honest i don't have a source to say that, just considering most of distros and majors DE wayland is default and apart from gamers (affected because xwayland) i don't think much anybody cares that much

[grim parcel]

be me
gay
(i love men)

[spare obsidian]

clown frame, checks in

[languid haven]

This is the case for most and the only ones praising it are people who want attention.

[kind falcon]

hey big guy

[grim parcel]

idk like

[kind falcon]

you might wanna sell that 1030 and buy yourself a used rx580

[grim parcel]

better multi monitor support and the ability to make working screenlockers is nowthing to gawk at

it also helped introduce pretty important things that are on all other desktops

[languid haven]

You might wanna install manjaro.

[kind falcon]

lol

[grim parcel]

like not having your desktop tear whenever you move a window

explicit sync is a big one too

[summer willow]

also gamescope uses x11 but its a wayland compositor but i get it

[languid haven]

Explicit sync sounds more of a driver thing, drivers don't support then your screen compositor can't either.

[grim parcel]

and if your screen compositor supports it then it doesn't matter either lmao

it's a two way street

[languid haven]

Yep

[jagged pawn]

guys omg is this true https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5838

[languid haven]

yeah it's a stupid nerf that's always existed. you have to switch to secondary or melee. aka not have it deployed to get ammo.

unless you use an ammo box

[summer steeple]

god every time this game gets an update the issue tracker becomes a cesspool of people reporting intentional things, complaining about bots, stuffing 18 issues into one issue post, and not checking if an issue already existed

[languid haven]

here's an idea. tyranical banning of stupid shit.

bug report: "OH MY GOD I CAN READ!" gets set to unplanned

[summer steeple]

bug report: bot in game

no one at valve has EVER heard of bots in tf2

[languid haven]

bot what's a bot? all i see are snipers.

https://tenor.com/view/tf2aimbot-spinbot-sniper-crossfire-target-spinning-revolving-gif-17797578

[tough locust]

noticed that the VSH hud isn't working right in 64 bit if I join a few normal matches first

[tough locust]

is anyone having crashing issues when trying to host a local server?

[unborn pecan]

My report was good

[formal dew]

People should be required to prove they have a master's in computer science and have income over 100,000 before posting to github

[unborn pecan]

So true dougiealis

[languid haven]

god fucking damn it a cheating software got updated.

[potent wolf]

incredible

[languid haven]

shouldd i say which one? i don't want people to download it but it does need to be gone.

[potent wolf]

was it fiendhook?

[languid haven]

royal

[potent wolf]

erm

[summer steeple]

i didn't know i was royalty

whats my position

queen? emperor? duke? god-king???

[potent wolf]

god-fiend

[summer steeple]

ooooh

god-fiend sounds like an RPG boss

[next nymph]

friend 🤗

[summer steeple]

its physically impossible for royalty to be friends sorry

too busy being shitty people

[next nymph]

this is false. Many noble women would bring their gal pals into their rooms every night, as did many noble men with their bros

[formal dew]

Become padishah emperor of the known universe

[summer steeple]

i don't think those people were friends

they were roommates

i think i use too much

[formal dew]

use the sarcmark

[summer steeple]

the hwat

[formal dew]

for sarcasm

[next nymph]

s sarcmark andbox

[summer steeple]

i've never seen this symbol before

[next nymph]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2078361/how-is-the-sarcmark-implemented 14 years ago someone asked about this proprietary glyph people were selling for $2 or something (the site is now down)

[potent wolf]

Was the JI airblast change intentional?

[summer steeple]

the "its now consistently a cone" patch note when it actually was a cube?

I don't think we know

and I think ficool said that joshie never touched the airblast code, so I have to assume that it was some weird helper function that got fixed that changed the airblast

[unborn pecan]

Fiendhoook

[potent wolf]

so... my understanding of the the airblast code is that it first checks if the entity is within box, and then if said entity is a player, if it's within a cone.

or rather, thats what it was before JI

but after JI, this cone check for players was removed

but looking at the code it seems like it's still doing the math for the cone check even in post-JI builds

[languid haven]

so whoever removed it can't even use the excuse "optimization" they legit just quarter-assed buffed pyro cause he won?

[potent wolf]

what? i didnt say that, nor do i think its true

[summer steeple]

I think you're going to have to look at the actual function they call for the cone math

see if that changed cause i assume its a library function

[potent wolf]

i looked at the player specific airblast

its all inlined vector math

[summer steeple]

huh

[potent wolf]

take a look at the ctfflamethrower::deflectplayer function (i think, im on my phone)

[summer steeple]

yeah seems like a standard dot product check

granted, I am looking at tc2 since thats the only version I have downloaded but I don't think this code was touched

[potent wolf]

it was

[summer steeple]

hm let me look at the original

[potent wolf]

oh nvm it wasnt

[summer steeple]

ok I don't think its actually the deflectplayer function

because that is only run if the airblast dash item attrib is not 0

but its unused so it never is, it uses deflectprojectiles instead, which also seems to handle players

because function naming is hard

ah actually, it does call deflectplayer from deflectprojectiles

I have no clue if this is how it looks in JI itself, since this code is Pre-JI but man this is a mess

it seems like at some point deflectplayers was just used by fireairblast outright, judging by the unused input of vecSize

[left sand]

pre reddit airblast changes, it wasnt a cone

then JI made it non-reddit again

[left sand]

the pre JI airblast code was preserved

anyways, i really think its just a more accurate check now

[limpid panther]

did someone say vrr on mutter?

https://imgflip.com/i/8nhudv

but yea it's almost there, so the meme should probably switch to "tearing" instead

there, i made it myself

[drowsy marlin]

Im installing nobara right now. It's going to be so slay

[livid oracle]

wdym

prior to this update there was no cone-check at all

you could airblast players behind you

[eternal haven]

The airblast range seems longer now

As in it's possible for something further from the pyro to be airblasted

Is that true?

[languid haven]

ok originally it did both. used the box and cone for player being airblasted but projectiles it was either one or the other or it was just the box.

[summer steeple]

it was just the box for projectiles

[languid haven]

ok thanks, it's a little hard to remember sometimes

[green tulip]

fun fact Source 2 uses this exact implementation of Lua but it's not documented anywhere unless you dig into vscript.dll or check the third-party notices TXT https://github.com/openresty/luajit2

[green tulip]

@timid plaza hey is there a crash dump created when "tf_win64.exe" crashes for you? I'm assuming you are getting the same crash that others are getting when trying to open the options menu or get into a game

[misty plover]

Joshie and Ficool both claim nothing was touched which is the weird part

[sterile ferry]

maybe 64bit just mystically untangled something in that code..

[eternal haven]

has anyone checked whether it happens everywhere?

eg. not only on the client's bundled server but also on linux srcds 32 and 64 bit

[unborn pecan]

hi fiendywiendy

[summer steeple]

the thing is, if the airblast code in the leak is still used today, it doesn’t make sense that it is different on x64, they don’t use a helper function or anything to calculate the cone, it’s simple math that is used all over the place inside of tf2 and out

[eternal haven]

I mean the server has symbols doesn't it

should be super easy to find the function and just look whether anything meaningfully changed

[summer steeple]

@potent wolf would know better

[fickle dragon]

I had a new bug this match, I started seeing that teleporter camera zoom effect every time I respawned or died/went into spectator mode

Kinda funky

[mystic turtle]

That happened in older versions of the game too, it mainly happens when you die on a laggy connection or if you die after leaving a tele I think

[fickle dragon]

What do you mean it happened before

It's the first time I'm seeing this lmao

[mystic turtle]

like, it's happened to me before, even before the x64 update

[fickle dragon]

Not that I don't believe you, I'm just amazed how this bug evaded me only until now

Playing since like 2010 and always had a mid connection prone to those things

On an unrelated note, one thing I truly hate about casual is how you get no XP for leaving games early. Had a good game I spent 2 hrs on, had to leave ASAP and it's all for nothing

[high current]

VSH is still played?

[fickle dragon]

It has a handful of regulars still playing it. Like at least 3-4 VSH servers being full in EU

I played it yesterday normally without issues, but that gamemode has had random HUD breakage before this update anyway

[slender nexus]

damn this new update is cool on the steam deck

Before I would only get like 40fps in most fights but now I'm able to reach around 80fps when uncapped

the only weird things about the update on steam deck is the new fonts and the screen gamma

by default tf2 now uses a higher screen gamma than before and makes everything look washed out until you lower it

[left sand]

i think maybe it's like

the gamma works now

[potent wolf]

that's cause i lied, it did change in JI

[paper sluice]

mat_monitorgamma still says default 2.2 for me in console
i set mine to 1.9 out of preference though it looks the same as before the update

it might be mat_monitorgamma_tv thats causing the difference?

[left sand]

gamma didn't work on linux before, no?

i assume dxvk covers more of it

[languid haven]

it did for me though idk if the gamma was the same setting my settings app uses.

it'd like change back to my pc default when unfocusing the game prior to the update.

[paper sluice]

oh its a linux thing
IDK then

loadouts load infintely faster now

no more stuttering

[potent wolf]

why isn't there a pre-64 bit branch :(

[languid haven]

not just that, they aren't loading the weapon preview icons forever anymore so no more having to wait for 20 weapon images to load just to pick at random hoping it's what you wanted.

[slender nexus]

you get prompted if you want to launch the legacy opengl version if you're on Linux

[potent wolf]

that's still 64-bit, just using togl

[languid haven]

well too bdad

[slender nexus]

oh yeah it looks like it didn't work properly until now

I had it set to 1.6 gamma in both versions but the opengl version looks darker

[left sand]

i mean the demos branch is close enough i guess

[potent wolf]

oh great the launch configuration is broken for old branches

[high current]

If only custom hud devs had an option to choose the 2D weapon icons that loaded faster👀

[livid oracle]

it worked for me before

[languid haven]

ni don't use custom inventory huds.

[tough locust]

yeah the game still has quite a few people playing it, the game coordinator says that it's always dead because the game only puts players in to new matches after 25 rounds which makes it seem like nobody is connecting to it

[eternal haven]

Does anyone know, will mastercoms release a new benchmark demo soon?

I don't like the shounic demos because they change archived cvars

[left sand]

I'm not sure if I have the time to do so

I've already followed the community in using shounic's: https://docs.comfig.app/dev/benchmarks/

Perhaps @limpid panther or someone else will take up the mantle where I and others have produced a void

[eternal haven]

Do you think it would be fairly simple or very difficult to modify benchmark_test.dem to be compatible with the current protocol?

eg. by modifying the file

[left sand]

I'd have to put time into investigating that and since there's no formalized game proto like Valve's other games, I'm not sure if I'd want to and also then commit to updating it every time it breaks

My dream would be to produce a standardized vscript/cfg/map which could generate a demo for any version of TF2, with all factors of the game being tested

However, I haven't had the time or prioritization to do that

[potent wolf]

It might be possible to remove that from the demo

[left sand]

My main focus is to revamp mastercomfig's scripting system, and to fix some bugs which happen on the app in some browsers. Then extend the scripting system using a desktop hook.

[left sand]

yeah, commands are a very specific frame and demo cmd

[small siren]

*yeah, commands are a

very specific frame and

demo cmd*

- mcoms

[left sand]

it should be very simple to find them near the beginning of the file and just slice them off

[summer steeple]

I might be able to work on that a bit, I think it should be possible to make a benchmark map that has a bunch of props, occluders, areaportals, water, etc. and then record a sourcetv demo of gameplay on it (either with players or bots with randomized weapons and cosmetics to increase the spread of variables), and then write a program to extract the inputs of the players to put into a vscript table so that it can be replayed with bots

[unborn pecan]

Some thing works on DXVK is alpha on DXT1

1024x1020 sprays used to have black for the alpha instead transparency on linux

Dxvk solves it

[misty plover]

That's weird

[eternal haven]

Doesn't really seem that weird

Probably a texture format issue in ToGL that's completely sidestepped by using DXVK

[potent wolf]

Does this demo have the same issue?

[eternal haven]

I'll have a look at it later, not at my PC right now

[unborn pecan]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5865

😭

[languid haven]

lol, mine has been glitched on linux cause it doesn't support it the whole time.

[unborn pecan]

no it did

read the comment

TF2 would look for a font named WenQuanYi Zen Hei

for non-ASCII on linux

[eternal haven]

//-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
// Purpose: specialized fonts
//-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
const char *CFontManager::GetForeignFallbackFontName()
{
#ifdef WIN32
    // tahoma has all the necessary characters for asian/russian languages for winXP/2K+
    return "Tahoma";
#elif defined(OSX)
    return "Helvetica";
#elif defined(LINUX)
    return "WenQuanYi Zen Hei";
#elif defined(_PS3)
    return "Tahoma";
#else
#error
#endif
}```

[summer steeple]

transferred to steam-runtime issues lmao

[languid haven]

fov only changes model fov now

[unborn pecan]

Yup

[unborn pecan]

Seems to be a steam runtime issue?

[eternal haven]

I don't know

that's from the old leaked tf2

maybe it has changed now

[sterile ferry]

Yo why does some shit about explosioncore_waljumper appear in console every time an explosion goes off

[rare creek]

ungle dayne jumpscare https://youtu.be/GiyNMGwWEUA?t=650

awesome

[summer steeple]

whats wrong with this image

[spare obsidian]

transparency moment

[next nymph]

player clip textures

[drowsy marlin]

why do games suck at transparency, why can't they tell the truth?

[summer steeple]

oh thats not a transparency moment

the glass is just outside of the frame

[next nymph]

you cant handle the truth

[drowsy marlin]

yes I can :(

[next nymph]

the truth is ||computer graphics is just a bunch of hacky workarounds around optimizations that kinda looks okay most of the time if you're very careful||

[drowsy marlin]

I wonder how many times the windows source code has the word "hack" in the comments

[potent wolf]

cool video that's only partially related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By7qcgaqGI4

[summer steeple]

love this vid

very good

[balmy root]

me when kde plasma: 😎

[unborn pecan]

bruh

I've been seeing in game that

some people didn't realize you need to manually enable vulkan

on windows

I legit made somebody's day today

also

I've been playing the game on

Ultra

No performance degradation on my desktop at all

it's so cool

[left sand]

i would not recommend vulkan on windows

[eternal haven]

Agreed, no reason really to run through DXVK there

Especially on Nvidia where dx9 seems to work very good

Maybe on Intel Arc it could make sense

[drowsy marlin]

Why would you not recommend vulkan on windows?

Is it pointless to do that anyway?

[languid haven]

i don't believe you say this because anything performance related. i believe it has more to do with the fact it'd be more glitchy than tf2's rendering already is. dxvk is ready of course but not sure if it'll ever be a 1:1 translation.

even if it were. tf2 definitely has some rendering bugs that not sure if it's the shaders or the gpu.

[misty plover]

Because despite the fact that order independent transparency is a solved problem in the modern era, Unity doesn't have it so most devs don't know about it 👍

(Well, OIT isn't the only solution, but its relatively simple to implement to the point where its depressing no one does)

https://on-demand.gputechconf.com/gtc/2014/presentations/S4385-order-independent-transparency-opengl.pdf
Relevant slides from nvidia

https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/issues/2223}
Also a relevant github issue about transparency in Bevy (engine I'm using for my little toy tf2 client project), not a complete feature, and probably won't be for a while, but there's a bit of info to comb through if you're curious 👍

[rare creek]

why?

it fixes rendering bugs and improves performance for me

the only downside is that it takes longer to alt tab

[rare creek]

it makes the minicrit effect look better and antialiasing actually works

[unborn pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1103927403295805441/1230611325915369533/glep-smiling.gif

[burnt dragon]

you are not playing right you are just mashing buttons that doesnt count!

[fathom eagle]

Fellas, what's this in the documentation about?

Anyone followed this advice?

[fickle dragon]

I use(d) both. Enabled MSI interrupts for my GPU through NVCleanstall and used LatencyMon in the past to catch a LAN driver causing stutters.

Allegedly MSI is fine to enable on current hardware, older one may cause issues/bluescreens.

[fathom eagle]

just looked up a thread on here just a few days ago where they alleged it's already on by default in newer nvidia drivers?

wonder if that's true just so I don't touch anything

[summer steeple]

"the only thing"

[rare creek]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5866

[mystic turtle]

this person is legit confused aren't they

Unless DX8 actually does that, in which case they should go look up the issue on Google Search

so they can learn how to trigger the correct flags in the registry

[small siren]

*so they can learn how

to trigger the correct flags

in the registry*

- NeutralScoot

[mystic turtle]

wait, as in fr? I'm pretty sure I saw spycrabs on 2fort after the update

in any case this poor man clearly hasn't even bothered to look at Shounic

[fickle dragon]

bind "F3" "say ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)" ```
*issue closed without response*

[small siren]

"F3" "say ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)" ``` *issue

closed without response*

- kamild_

[languid haven]

2fort has never looked more glitchy for me.

[languid haven]

i've seen dirt textures freak the fuck out, turn black then back to normal and i think it's specifically these really old maps cause newer maps don't seem to have these issues AT ALL. when was the last time 2fort got recompiled?

and the dirt geometry kinda fucking slid? or pulled like taffy? idk it's hard to explain cause it was just so fast and not exactly startling but was enough to say "WTF WAS THAT?!.....oh i'm dead."

[blazing cloud]

2fort has been like that for years. all blending textures are fucked and don't work properly with decals at blend junctions, and ever since invasion (I think?) all ambient lighting is broken on all props.

honestly i really wish that all maps were updated to a version of vmt that supports 64 bit floats and were recompiled, not just to expand possible map boundaries but also to implement some new forms of compression that are used frequently now.

ofc in that fairytale land id also like them to fix ramps so that geometry on stairs is actually predictable between maps, but again, fairytale.

[languid haven]

this would be a very welcome change

[blazing cloud]

i was really holding out for it in my laundry list of wishes tbh. but i mean, i suppose it comes with alot of risk. plus i've heard that -tools, hlmv, hammer etc are broken as of now anyways, so maybe once those are ready to go again we can see some progress in that direction.

[languid haven]

imagine if hammer++ but 64bit became officially implemented

[livid oracle]

idk what do even say

[sterile ferry]

is this good idiotic or bad

[paper sluice]

They were on the right track then completely veered off

[languid haven]

you can usually tell by how many colors are in their profile picture.

"great suggestion but lets make it like overwatch 2"

just what kind of fucking cave man thinks you need a cellphone service for a free game? which usually costs more than video games.

[left sand]

not sure what this means

[next nymph]

Say it is a very interesting comment, albeit, needs some elaboration!

[livid oracle]

they should add vkdx

[burnt dragon]

I believe this person is AI with like extremely small processing power, starting strong, then yapping nonsense

textmode disabling could be harmful for dedicated servers if they run as I believe they do

or sourceTV

[livid oracle]

disabling textmode isn't gonna affect dedicated servers

there's no way it's getting disabled anyway

[sterile ferry]

whats textmode

[livid oracle]

lets you run the game without graphics

[sterile ferry]

ic

[burnt dragon]

why not, its such a small patch it could be done

[livid oracle]

running a videogame without graphics is trivial for a cheater to do even if the game has no built-in feature for it

they're already cheating

what's stopping them from cheating further

[kind falcon]

what is the cvar

[livid oracle]

how is this a bug https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5868

[kind falcon]

they dont want poor cathook bots that are on older branch to play with them

[livid oracle]

@potent wolf are you on windows or linux rn

[potent wolf]

linux

why do you ask?

[left sand]

shes doing a poll

[livid oracle]

i was gonna force someone else to check if the win 32 version of the game has the airblast change/fix/whatever

[potent wolf]

did the old (hl2.exe, non-64bit) version have a working cone check?

or is that what you meant

[kind falcon]

@potent wolf whyd you remove your poll vote

[livid oracle]

the current tf.exe

anyway i cant open it with proton and i dont want to try any further because im lazy

[left sand]

tf.exe

[livid oracle]

so i will force someone else to do it

@summer steeple

[sterile ferry]

is it as simple as just opening it through clicking tf exe

[small siren]

*is it as simple

as just opening it through

clicking tf exe*

- plazma127

[left sand]

tf.exe -steam -game tf

[livid oracle]

i NEED to know 100% sure whats going on with the airblast shit

[sterile ferry]

why

[potent wolf]

I want to know if the cone check worked in the old builds on windows too

[small siren]

*I want to know if

the cone check worked in the old

builds on windows too*

- replay

[rare creek]

msaa antialiasing never worked for me on directx

[left sand]

you probably have it off in the driver

[sterile ferry]

if i got the 32bit version correctly

[left sand]

so is it literally just sse2

sse2 has saved us

[rare creek]

i have it set to let the game decide

[livid oracle]

what tje fuck

that's the current version right

that you run through tf.exe

[sterile ferry]

yea

[potent wolf]

i cannot view the video wg
Hat happened in it

[livid oracle]

how does 64-bit go from practically no cone check to having a working cone check

[small siren]

*i cannot view the

video wg

Hat happened in it*

- replay

[livid oracle]

mastercoms explain this NOW!!!

[sterile ferry]

tf.exe added as a nonsteam game into steam and with -steam and -game tf as launch options

[livid oracle]

pervious behaviour

[livid oracle]

imo share this here https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5522

[sterile ferry]

just to confirm, did the same test on 64 and it had nothing on all 3 of the airblasts

[sterile ferry]

i dont have a github account

[livid oracle]

ok ill steal your vid

[sterile ferry]

yea

[livid oracle]

wait a minute

do casual servers run on 32-bit or 64-bit

[sterile ferry]

would them running on 32 mean the conecheck doesnt work

[livid oracle]

that's what i would assume

[sterile ferry]

then i think its 64

ill go airblast some new players to find out..

[livid oracle]

the cone check worked before JI

[heavy solar]

@livid oracle has leveled up! (49 ➜ 50)

[livid oracle]

which is what's so confusing

what did they do to it in JI that would break it ONLY if it's compiled for 32-bit

i need to know wtf is happening here or else i'll never get to sleep

[sterile ferry]

wasnt there sokething in ji about hitbox changes for it

[livid oracle]

they doubled its height

[kind falcon]

@lean cove can we get dnsense servers updated to x64 to be cool and exclusive

[livid oracle]

so it become a big cube

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-dxlevel-90--dxlevel-90-too-gif-7489854189425204527

[broken haven]

rainbow dash and flutershy kissing

[livid oracle]

but the interesting part is if you decompile the game, the cube check part actually uses UTIL_EntitiesInSphere (it used UTIL_EntitiesInBox before JI)

[kind falcon]

blarg blarg blarg

[livid oracle]

but UTIL_EntitiesInSphere just calls UTIL_EntitiesInBox which is funny

[livid oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/l4d2-hop-on-mlp-iwannabeporcupine-gif-27327199

[sterile ferry]

goated code

[kind falcon]

are there any cool lumina servers

i dont want to get work done

[potent wolf]

It shouldnt have mattered, the cone check in entirely separated from that. And post-leaked-code, it uses a vphysics function to do the check

[kind falcon]

@potent wolf

why are they shipping debug info

nvm

im restarted

time to press f5...

[potent wolf]

if they start shipping pdbs or dwarf ping me 500 times

[small siren]

*if they start shipping

pdbs or dwarf ping

me 500 times*

- replay

[kind falcon]

💪

[livid oracle]

can you screenshot Currentcode

[broken haven]

you use mastercomfig too?

[potent wolf]

on my phone rn, ill get it in a bit

[sterile ferry]

was i meant to do this while running 32bit]

[livid oracle]

no, shouldn't matter

[sterile ferry]

ok i did the same thing to some random engie on 32bit and result was the same

[livid oracle]

is it truly over for fans of pyro

[sterile ferry]

except this guy was angrier about it

[livid oracle]

lmfao

[sterile ferry]

only shame is popping people up in the air needs you to be slightly closer

[livid oracle]

im gonna tell shounic to look into it

[sterile ferry]

[lean cove]

do the serverss need a change

[kind falcon]

if theyre running sourcemod

[grim parcel]

how tf do you have it

[potent wolf]

decompiler

[lean cove]

sourcemod auto update

[kind falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1048761167025283133/1206493356440424448/goober.gif

[tough locust]

commented on one of the vids of Sydney the creator of the Sydney bots. apparently basically most bots don't even run in text mode they just run at minimum graphics

[livid oracle]

why are you commenting under vids of bot hosters

[tough locust]

bc it was interesting to see how it works, it's kinda cool in a messed up way
they now have a thing that pathfinds without navmeshes to beeline to the center of just about any map

[potent wolf]

@livid oracle relevant code from CTFFlameThrower::DeflectPlayer (from the old 32-bit version of the game, linux dedicated server)

kinda half-cleaned up

[livid oracle]

oh what the fuck

[livid oracle]

wtf is the cone shit supposed to be

so it no longer uses a dot product check?

[potent wolf]

yeah, it uses vphysics now

[livid oracle]

it uses some physics shit i would assume

what the FUCK

i assume this means the cone would feel "bigger" than when using a dot product check

lemme draw it

[potent wolf]

should be about the same size iiuc

[livid oracle]

@potent wolf like this would count?

[potent wolf]

from my understanding, yes

[livid oracle]

with the dot product check, the centre point of the player needs to be within the cone

why'd they even do this

[potent wolf]

yeah, although i think the dotproduct check was a bit larger

[sterile ferry]

secret pyro main dub or no

[potent wolf]

this is also the broken check

i believe

IsBoxIntersectingCone returns weird nonzero values when the target is outside the cone

[sterile ferry]

also does anyone know if where ur aiming has Any effect on where the airblast target flies from you other than the obvious up and down

nvm i shouldve known by now it doesnt

[livid oracle]

i wonder why the behaviour is different between 32 and 64 bit

AND i wonder why whoever swapped it from the dot product check didnt even test it

[livid oracle]

actually what does this part look like in the 64-bit version

[next nymph]

was the old dot-product check based on distance too? So the maximum range would be curved instead of flat like a cone.

Not really major but I guess technically with a cone check you'd have times when looking right at someone doesn't airblast but looking 5 feet to their side does

[livid oracle]

doesnt have a distance check afaik

[grim parcel]

less fun. wake me up when you become another valve leaker

[livid oracle]

and yeah true that's an annoying thing about cone checks

the lag comp check does a cone check + distance check for this reason

so it kinda looks like

i dont remember the exact angles and distance

silenced for being right...

[sterile ferry]

where dis he get the sphere idea from

[livid oracle]

im guessing thats the reason why they did the vphysics shit

[livid oracle]

i mentioned it in the issue and they misread it as being confirmed even though it's just my WRONG speculation

[sterile ferry]

goat

[livid oracle]

@potent wolf anyway tell me when you decompile the 64-bit version of the function

which i will not be doing myself

[next nymph]

seems a little odd imo. If they wanted to specifically handle cases like this, they could've still done it with dot products + distance checks fairly easily. Using physics code for it makes sense to keep it all consistent, but true cones aren't ideal here for the reason of looking at the target having lower range than looking beside them

[livid oracle]

wait wdym by looking at having lower range

do you mean like

[next nymph]

the thing we were just mentioning

[livid oracle]

like this?

[next nymph]

yea

[livid oracle]

well it's not how it's done for the airblast afaik

it's more like

like this

axis aligned

[next nymph]

yuck

[livid oracle]

because it's a big box check first and the cone has infinite range

well the pre-JI cone had infinite range

idk about the post-JI cone

[next nymph]

i take it back. Just a proper cone working like you'd expect a cone to be would be fine, compared to that

[sterile ferry]

can tne cube not rotate just like rhe bounding box

[livid oracle]

yeah it's an aabb

it's why you could airblast ppl behind you

[next nymph]

thats what the axis-aligned part means, no rotation

much faster to compute because the math doesnt deal with rotations, but obviously rotations are sometimes useful so its a tradeoff

[livid oracle]

also i thought you were talking about how the cone is much narrower the closer you are

[next nymph]

nah idk about that, thats totally fine by my book

in fact I think the physics check way makes a lot more sense in that regard, versus just checking the center point of a player

[livid oracle]

yeah i was thinking because this wouldn't count with the dot product check while the physics method would