Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[potent wolf]

yeah

[livid oracle]

i would assume that that has symbols

[summer steeple]

i think they just recompiled all the exes to x64

[potent wolf]

it does

which functions though

[serene yarrow]

how do you access this dialog

or is it a linux only thing

[potent wolf]

linux only

[serene yarrow]

oh gotcha

so how does one check what renderer they're using

if im on windows

[potent wolf]

check the window title

[serene yarrow]

o

ty

[livid oracle]

@potent wolf https://github.com/mastercomfig/tf2-patches/blob/c19a408720b75e708a6848bf071fb1958ae4769b/game/shared/tf/tf_weaponbase.cpp#L5443

[livid urchin]

Was it confirmed that linux users should switch to mat_forcehardwaresync 1 now?

[tough locust]

so how do you export replays?

[livid oracle]

note that this is the pre-JI version obviously

[split tangle]

I mean on windows

Does -vulkan do anything

[potent wolf]

it enables vulkan on windows

[rare creek]

it gave me like a 5-10 fps increase in min fps

[split tangle]

I see so is it worth it then or

Also -dxlevel 81 doesn’t let my game launch anymore

[potent wolf]

does the bug also happen on the 32-bit new build (as in the 64-bit update version)?

very not confusing at all sorry

[left sand]

i think it's just a math precision error

like something where it's like =< or something

and now it's 0.9999 instead of 1

[rare creek]

any airblasts nerfs welcome

airblast should be removed so phlog is meta

[livid oracle]

github refuses to show me the vid

nvm ppl rehosted the vid elsewhere

is the difference literally just not being able to airblast while looking straight up

[potent wolf]

yeah

[livid oracle]

ppl dont seem to be in agreement about what's different

[potent wolf]

i think it's just that

[livid oracle]

other than you cant airblast straight up

i would assume it's what mcoms says then

but like

players can only look up 89 degrees right

and there's no cone check

the game doesn't do a cone check for airblast

[half rose]

feels no stuttering 😏

[split tangle]

Is there any workaround for this

[half rose]

dx8 is gone

[rare creek]

let's fucking goooo

poggers

[half rose]

use dx9 and -vulkan

[rare creek]

use dxlevel100

it is directx 9 but it auto configures your directx minor version

[mystic turtle]

And remember to remove the dxlevel option once it's booted once

[small siren]

*And remember to

remove the dxlevel option

once it's booted once*

- neutralskeptic

[mystic turtle]

(btw someone should make a DX8 pack for the folks that liked its looks)

[radiant merlin]

wait is dx8 dead?

[split tangle]

I already have vpks to do this

[grave badge]

81 is working fine for me

[mystic turtle]

oh, for real?
that's cool actually

[rugged ridge]

Vulkan has massive stuttering at first loading in to a game then it levels out

[livid oracle]

@potent wolf can you check if you can still airblast ppl behind you

[small siren]

*@replay can you

check if you can still airblast

ppl behind you*

- smartph0wned

[livid oracle]

by doing it diagonally

like this

if this doesnt work then a cone check was definitely added

just undocumented

[languid haven]

It's probably from caching.

[potent wolf]

like this?

[livid oracle]

WHAT THE FUCK

ok there's definitely deliberate changes that are undocumented

[rare creek]

isnt the airblast judt a cube spanwed in front of you

not behind you...

[livid oracle]

it can go behind you

[half rose]

not working for me

mat_dxlevel 81 also broken

[livid oracle]

oh i have access to archived channels now

[rare creek]

can yuou leak them all

[potent wolf]

link your steam or something iirc

[rare creek]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/Niterux/

ok here's the link

[potent wolf]

i meant link it to your discord acc

[rare creek]

oh hell naw

scammers love that shit

hello is this your steam account https://myballs.balls

[half rose]

gas passer still broken

[summer steeple]

iirc thats considered a balance change rather than a bugfix

I think they've considered it at least once or twice, but who knows if/when they'll add it

like yes it is a liquid and it makes you wet and consistency is good but also maybe giving pyro an instakill is not a good idea (don't forget that they already nerfed axtinguisher to not do that)

[half rose]

😔

[summer steeple]

i wonder when that was

because i wouldn't be surprised if they looked at it and decided "hm maybe not a good idea"

[half rose]

2 months ago

[summer steeple]

hm well maybe

this was our first patch in at least like 2 months

[opal bolt]

​​does anyone else still have the same fps ?

[livid oracle]

my fps has gone from 0 to 0

(i have yet to launch the game)

[opal bolt]

🤯

[green tulip]

I can't wait to play watergate without the game crashing from running out of memory

[livid oracle]

@solar jay more pyro tears for you

[livid oracle]

@potent wolf whats going on here #1058496038828261496 message

[potent wolf]

why are you like this

[radiant merlin]

"we'll look into it"

and even if they'll fix it, next release! valve time™

[livid oracle]

the vulkan version crashes for me

its fucking over

[rare creek]

works ifne for me

skill sisur

[livid oracle]

my gpu is from 2012

[rare creek]

very skill issue

get a brand new rtx 4090 super

[livid oracle]

i live in a place where that will take 2 years of wages to afford

[small siren]

*i live in a place

where that will take 2 years of

wages to afford*

- smartph0wned

[livid oracle]

haikubot bad

[languid haven]

get a gt1030

runs fine on my machine

[potent wolf]

@livid oracle use llvmpipe

[rare creek]

move out

[livid oracle]

wdym

oh

no

[potent wolf]

60 seconds per frame

[rare creek]

sell your house to fucking aquaman

[half rose]

what gpu

[summer steeple]

a bad one

[livid oracle]

nvidia gt 635 (fan snapped off)

[shrewd leaf]

So I played some casual with cl_showfps on and like wtf are these numbers?
That is like 3x my previous rough measurements.

[livid oracle]

joshie added a * 3 to cl_showfps's counter

[languid haven]

NOOOOO that's cpu rendering!!!

[rare creek]

just get a faster cpu wdym

[languid haven]

that's software rendering! it's not even real

[rare creek]

more accurate than gpu rendering

[languid haven]

the president makesmore sense than you

[rare creek]

no driver required too :3 (drivers introduce cpu overhead)

[half rose]

... buy 5600G

[livid oracle]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5685

[jagged pawn]

LOL

[shrewd leaf]

They silenced the ducks? Nooo!

[livid oracle]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5622

LOL

[languid haven]

ha no

[jagged pawn]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[spare obsidian]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5686

[rare creek]

this is true

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5689

[lean cove]

tf2 update email

• Fixed an issue where the game would be falsely detected as malware by some anti-viruses
• Fixed a crash relating to using some Unicode characters on Linux

[rare creek]

how did they do that?

[lean cove]

av fix?

[rare creek]

ye

[lean cove]

probably finding what the sig was and changing it lol

[potent wolf]

they sign the tool binaries now

[lean cove]

OH

that makes way more sense

[potent wolf]

#783080457952428042 message

[lean cove]

#Unknown

[potent wolf]

shounic discord

too lazy to screenshot, sorry

[summer steeple]

cringecord

[lean cove]

i guess I will just suffer

[summer steeple]

kinda surprised they weren't signing them already tbh

[mystic turtle]

this is the worst bug report I have ever seen lmfao

[small siren]

*this is the worst bug

report I have ever seen

lmfao*

- neutralskeptic

[lean cove]

there's worse

[spare obsidian]

see the one below lol

[lean cove]

always worse

[mystic turtle]

also, may I ask what happened to this dude
it always was there to begin with, as my screenshot showed

Maybe there's something up with his head idk

[rare creek]

????

BRING BACK 32BIt PLEASE
why?
deletes issue

[languid haven]

justt ban them

[mystic turtle]

yep

IDK, maybe some people have snorted too much hopium lately

[small siren]

*IDK, maybe

some people have snorted too

much hopium lately*

- neutralskeptic

[mystic turtle]

went down to backpack.tf forums, someone wants a laundry list of new shit

[radiant merlin]

we need this artwork (from the contracker videos)

[mystic turtle]

at this rate I'd say it's pathetic, just suck it up that Valve isn't gonna greenlight anything other than maps or cosmetics

[mystic turtle]

now this is a good suggestion
hell, Valve probably has the asset lying around in a junk folder, so it's game

[summer steeple]

isn't it just from the JI art?

[lean cove]

btw did this fix the linux runtime issue

@potent wolf

[vagrant tree]

for some reason tf2 simply won't launch, i have tried reinstalling it a few times and turning on and off my computer and that doesn't work

any ideas?

solved it instantly

removed this:
-novid -nojoy -nosteamcontroller -nohltv -particles 1 -precachefontchars -noquicktime -dxlevel 81

[summer steeple]

dx8 is broken rn

[languid haven]

i thought it was removed

[summer steeple]

if only

[radiant merlin]

idk it looks like the official avatars

[potent wolf]

In bed and i don't feel like getting up, but I doubt it would have fixed it since there werent any app config changes for this one. (Im assuming its an issue in the app config, ill actually try it tomorrow)

[summer willow]

they fixed

actually they fixed before this update

[potent wolf]

oh?

[summer willow]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5617#issuecomment-2065493496

[potent wolf]

nice

[summer willow]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5666#issuecomment-2065649922

[high current]

There’s also some changes to huds. Apparently loadout screens on huds broke because now a stray settitlebarvisible parameter is essential to be set to 1…
And the ready up menu in tournament mode got its positioning set to the left side of the screen.

Also my volume was noticeably louder in game after the update. With the same ingame volume I had to lower my game volume for windows from 100% to 80% to have the same volume. Interesting stuff.

[uncut spear]

wat the fook

[summer steeple]

yeah it does that

it just reads mat_dxlevel

[uncut spear]

LMAO I got it to 11

[summer steeple]

even if its invalid

[uncut spear]

omg secret hack!!!!

[summer steeple]

set it to 69

[uncut spear]

🫡

[summer steeple]

gaben will come to your house and 69 you if it works

[uncut spear]

hell yeah

[lethal moth]

:( definitely crying and shaking at the pyro airblast change

the downspike method is still most reliable but if they're jumping, the upward method was always the one to do

[languid haven]

does this even do anything?

[summer steeple]

no

[eternal haven]

It seems to work just fine, at least on nvidia. What's broken about it?

[summer steeple]

for a lot of people it crashes

[distant bobcat]

was there a second update

cuz i got the first one and then later it had me install a second one

[summer steeple]

yes

[distant bobcat]

and this one isnt installing properly

gives me this shit

[summer steeple]

wack

try restarting steam

[distant bobcat]

doubt itll work but im hoping 🙏

other than this im so thrilled with the new update tho

past few days ive mucked about with configs so much cuz i kept lagging from just fucking aiming and moving

yknow

that thing you tend to do a lot in a movement shooter

[radiant merlin]

wdym?

[distant bobcat]

didnt work

when i go to verify the files it doesnt do it for tf2 it does it for steamworks common redistributable

which is weird

[livid oracle]

should note somewhere that -dxlevel still works without dxvk

[high current]

When you press f4 and the name menu appears In custom huds. Or at least in xhud, so maybe it’s some other parameter that the fallback value was changed or the animation was changed or something.

[summer steeple]

@livid oracle

[jagged pawn]

LMAOOOOOOOO she's so real

[mystic turtle]

and then this doofus will be wondering surely, "Valvle doesgn't caarre, they just redirected me"

bold of them to assume Valve is even really bothering with it (there's just Eric Smith and the contractors lol)

[radiant merlin]

yo coms what about my audiolanguage submission?

[misty plover]

I had ended up asking Joshie earlier becaues like 12 different people dm'd me asking if I knew why it came out early, it was entirely the decal exploit

(Also they were never waiting for sdl3, apparently)

[livid oracle]

@misty plover oh right what did you find out about the airblast thing

[misty plover]

Haven't tested

[livid oracle]

cone seems to be back

[misty plover]

I mean cone is better anyways

But yeah Joshie said they didn't touch it so that's all I know

[summer steeple]

it has to be that they made the sphere check actually a sphere

it HAS to be

[rare creek]

is directx8 being broken intentional or nah

[summer steeple]

i hope

[rare creek]

can someone pls mass ping the singular tf2 janitor working on this to find out

[misty plover]

Is it not using dxvk by default now?

[summer steeple]

no

-vulkan

[west pilot]

@left sand is the upcoming update the scalu update?

[misty plover]

Ah my hud broke with the update

[jagged pawn]

why ping

[west pilot]

Does that work on Windows too? I know some games you can use dxvk on non Linux/macOS but I’m not sure about tf2

I know in some games dxvk is faster than plain dx9

[left sand]

no but itll provide the basis for it by transferring most of the functionality for mastercomfig customization to the app, instead of in the VPK packages

once thats stable and tested, then we will have the scripting overhaul

[small siren]

*once thats stable and

tested, then we will have the

scripting overhaul*

- mcoms

[jagged pawn]

yes you can use vulkan on windows

[tacit flare]

Wait, why is there no mention of it being the 64bit update? Too soon?

[misty plover]

Yeah cone behavior is definitely back

[summer steeple]

they did

there were 2 patches

[west pilot]

How so? Is the customization part going to be a compiled scalu file under the hood?

[jagged pawn]

it's for sure the cone? sick if true

[tacit flare]

I'm either blind or not seeing it. Probably both.

[misty plover]

I had already tested and figured out it was the cone behavior, I just assumed it would be fixed before release

[jagged pawn]

ah I see

[tacit flare]

Huh. Would have thought something so significant would have a little bit more.. flair when being announced.

[misty plover]

Was an emergency update in response to the aforementioned decal exploit that crashed servers

[summer steeple]

the average player doesn't care about x64

or if they do they don't know why it matters

[rare creek]

we need to make more exploits to valve makes more updates

[tacit flare]

The average player very much cares about any update that directly increases performance.

[jagged pawn]

it's like how vscript was just kinda silently added in a patch, but then the affects of vscript were relevant with vsh so that was properly hyped as an update

[languid haven]

i'd be careful saying that

[jagged pawn]

vscript existing doesn't mean anything to most people on its own so it wasn't worth making a big deal about

and this is similar

[rare creek]

people need to find more game breaking bugs and exploits and rce's so valve makes more updates

[rare creek]

y

[tacit flare]

"Hey guys, yeah we just ported TF2 to 64bit and brought some major performance improvements along with it which haven't been done for over a decade. This isn't anything major. Have fun."

[rare creek]

they should add sex for the real major update

[jagged pawn]

yeah

[rare creek]

most imporantly they canceled mac support 😌

[drowsy marlin]

Should I use the Vulkan launch option if I'm on linux?

[misty plover]

Its really not a major update, its primarily bugfixes

Linux uses DXVK by default

[drowsy marlin]

Sweet

[misty plover]

ToGL still exists for compat purposes, psure you use -gl for that in the launch options?

Please don't use togl though

[drowsy marlin]

I noticed that my frame pacing is way more consistent on a 32 player hightower server

[misty plover]

Its awful

[drowsy marlin]

With tons of action going on

Its great

[mystic turtle]

bud, that's how a bot hoster could think
bot hosters have gotten rid of Valve's drive to work on fixing VAC and friends

anyways

[green tulip]

I can't test this at the moment but does texture streaming still work?

[rare creek]

we need more bots!!!!!!!!!! 🔥

[summer steeple]

i don't know why it wouldn't, its the default

[mystic turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-spy-tf2-correct-spy-tf2-correct-gif-15580627066749528135

[misty plover]

Seeing some reports that some physics objects aren't working, mainly things like elevators

[left sand]

@limpid panther you might wanna redo hud bench

[tacit flare]

They readded Pyro's airblast cone. Forget 64bit, everything else is irrelevant, this is the best update in years.

[misty plover]

The elevator on doomsday constantly makes the slamming down noise

[small siren]

*The elevator

on doomsday constantly makes

the slamming down noise*

- undefinedbhvr

[fickle dragon]

So this x64 update also adds a heap of fixes from Team Comtress? Is there a list of those that were added to live TF2, or are we just figuring it out?

[rare creek]

i swear to god if they added jolt physics

[eternal haven]

I thought this was like well known from the start of the beta

it doesn't just run better cuz it's 64 bit lol

[fathom eagle]

I'm sure someone talked about this. But vulkan makes it so that the game flashes black when I swap between monitors

In fact it's like the entire system freezes for a moment

[misty plover]

They didn't afaik

[fathom eagle]

DX9 perfectly fine, as usual

[fickle dragon]

I haven't really kept track of the beta, just tried it once and forgot

[fickle dragon]

Oh sweet, I had that on the beta too, great to know that's not fixed

[misty plover]

Post DXVK_HUDs if you're cool

[tough locust]

yeah this was happening during the 64 bit beta too :(

[rare creek]

it's intentional, sse2 makes things faster

[summer steeple]

will be fixed tomorrow

[misty plover]

Yeah I'm seeing some weird behavior with physics stuff

😔✊

[rare creek]

vphysics jolt confirmed

[drowsy marlin]

I'm so happy that TF2 is on a new engine! Glory to the vulkan x64 engine!

[rare creek]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/4365752248011646488/

lmfaooo

[summer steeple]

prs welcome

[tough locust]

WRD

[left sand]

The changes on top of 64 bit:

• SSE2
• HUD font optimizations
• HUD player model optimization
• Removed the hunk
• MiniMP3
• video_webm
• Material system bottleneck fix
• Sound system rework
• Cache memory limits increased
• mimalloc memory allocator
• DXVK
• Updated compiler on Linux and Windows
• Updated from Steam Runtime 1 to SRT 3 on Linux (updated libraries)
• Memory alignment fixes
• Better inlining and optimized code which used to be assembly
• No WoW64 layer on Windows
• Console text rendering fixes
• Crash fixes for some really weird maps
• Emoji support on Linux

SSE2, HUD font optimizations coincided with things done in TC2.
HUD player model optimization based on TC2 change.

[fathom eagle]

you know anything about this? @summer steeple

[summer steeple]

nope

[fathom eagle]

yep. time to unalive MS

[fickle dragon]

Lovely, thanks <3

[misty plover]

I wasn't removed though?

[fickle dragon]

I reported this on the Github repo, they're blaming the drivers for it apparently

[left sand]

it wasn't?

i heard it was

[misty plover]

No i was making a joke

[fickle dragon]

By "they" I of course mean one guy https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5480#issuecomment-1936784698

[misty plover]

"Removed hunk"
"I wasn't removed"

[left sand]

ohhh

😎

[summer steeple]

that one guy is who did the update btw

[grave badge]

how much performance is still possible if they were to implement most of the tc2 changes?

[fickle dragon]

oh

I'm

[fathom eagle]

so this is supposed to be a wide thing? I'm on 3060

[fickle dragon]

I presume an Nvidia issue

[left sand]

a lot, i suppose

[fickle dragon]

But then I check some random Vulkan game and it alt tabs just okay

[small siren]

*But then I check some

random Vulkan game and it

alt tabs just okay*

- kamild_

[left sand]

though I wouldn't know what's the performance bottleneck at the moment

[misty plover]

That one guy is also probably the single most intelligent person I know when it comes to graphics related stuff

[fathom eagle]

is there a tentative date for the next mcoms update?

[misty plover]

Tbh TC2 seems really hard to integrate into now with how fast its moved and how different the codebase is

[summer steeple]

actually mine is doing this too

[left sand]

a lot of it is small fixes, there are some harder to integrate but it's nothing that is impossible

[fickle dragon]

I wonder if everyone is having this issue or if there's something else causing it

Like multiple monitors or g-sync?

[fathom eagle]

I've seen people ignore larger issues in games so I wouldn't be surprised if only a few (us) are annoyed by it enough to notice

[misty plover]

Its driver related

[summer steeple]

using latest nvidia drivers

[misty plover]

AMD and Nvidia both do not implement graphics specifications properly and miss a lot

Nvidia is (usually) closer to spec

[summer steeple]

ok but tbh i've never seen this issue before

[fickle dragon]

I know I wouldn't mind it much if using TF2BD wasn't basically a necessity in casual, so I alt tab quite often

[summer steeple]

so idk why its happening

[misty plover]

But Nvidia has their own changes and hacks and shenanigans

[rare creek]

i mean before the 64 bit update, vprof always told me it was setupbones that was the using the most resources so probably still that since that wasn't optimized

[misty plover]

TF2BD shouldn't be working now afaik

[fathom eagle]

the only vulkan game I own is Doom Eternal and that's fine in this regard, so same

[rare creek]

what is "the hunk"

[summer steeple]

i've played a lot of vulkan games andh aven't seen it

[misty plover]

Me

[summer steeple]

so idk how they do fullscreen stuff

[eternal haven]

Maybe try the vulkan on DXGI swapchain feature

in NVIDIA 3d settings

[fickle dragon]

I'm using a fork of it that's already been prepared for the x64 builds apparently

[fathom eagle]

who can we write to say "hey, this 2007 game with being translated to vulkan don't work too good with two monitors. pls fix"

[fickle dragon]

I was playing with that too, no change

[eternal haven]

Why do you guys even want to use dxvk on windows

It's so much worse than normal

[summer steeple]

skill issue

for me its smoother

[fathom eagle]

curiosity killed the cat

that's why

[fickle dragon]

Exactly, just wanna check it out

[fathom eagle]

but I can see it perform better than DX9 with a few updates in the long run

[eternal haven]

dxlevel 81 is the best

dxlevel 90 is fine

[fickle dragon]

But even if it gives +50 fps, I ain't using it with slow alt tab

[fathom eagle]

as dx9 becomes older and older

[summer steeple]

ok i'm gonna be honest

[eternal haven]

dxvk is garbage, only useful on linux

[fathom eagle]

so it working good would be sweet

[summer steeple]

if you use dx8

you're cringe

[misty plover]

tl;dr its lightmap stuff

[fathom eagle]

b4nny

[summer steeple]

yeah he's cringe

[grave badge]

the sniper scope in dx9 looks so bad i feel like i cant see anything

[misty plover]

Hunk is nasty and Joshie/Ficool both wanted to nuke it, I'm hoping its gone

[rare creek]

when will the 127 pixel font size limit be removed

[left sand]

i dont think dxvk should be used on windows

[left sand]

very complicated issue, would need to completely rework windows font rendering

[misty plover]

Leftover stupidity from quake

[fickle dragon]

Must be some miniscule competitive advantage that DX8 gives, right? He has a top spec PC so surely it's not framerate

[misty plover]

That was removed in quake 2

But Valve didn't get the memo

[rare creek]

why dont they just port linux font rendering to windows

[summer steeple]

which they clearly aren't going to do because otherwise we'd have emojis :(

[left sand]

because it's platform specific

[misty plover]

You can use it but you won't see perf gains for most gpus

[rare creek]

why didnt they use a non platform specific library to do it

[small siren]

*why didnt they use

a non platform specific

library to do it*

- totallynotniteruxiswear

[misty plover]

AMD drivers typically perf better with dxvk, but Nvidia black magic™️ means directx better

[fathom eagle]

magic (microsoft lobbying)

[eternal haven]

Does anyone know if dxlevel 81 is even using directx 8?

Because it still loads d3d9.dll

[summer steeple]

it is

[fathom eagle]

backwards comp or something idk

[fickle dragon]

DirectX 9 to 12 translation layer - does that even exist?

[misty plover]

No

[summer steeple]

yeah

[misty plover]

Way too different

[fathom eagle]

i was just thinking about that a few hours ago. probably hard as balls

[misty plover]

If there is

[fickle dragon]

Duality of man

[misty plover]

Its a mess

[fathom eagle]

and pointless because literally only we would be interested

[small siren]

*and pointless because

literally only we

would be interested*

- duncedoof

[eternal haven]

Intel arc drivers basically use something like this

or used to

for dx9

thats why dx9 was so awful on them at launch

[summer steeple]

https://github.com/dege-diosg/dgVoodoo2

[fickle dragon]

Oh yeah I did hear about that

[fickle dragon]

Archived 3 days ago, damn

[lethal moth]

yo??

[summer steeple]

yeah i just saw that :(

[lethal moth]

glad mastercom's work was not for naught

[misty plover]

Okay yeah I think the hunk is gone

[fathom eagle]

i have a feeling a lot of people on windows will be running the game on vulkan just cause it sounds cooler

[misty plover]

Or at least its shenanigans are mostly negated

[summer steeple]

i'm going to use vulkan because its got smoother frametimes for me

[fathom eagle]

i'm projecting btw

[fickle dragon]

A lot = maybe like 10

[rare creek]

microsoft made one

[fathom eagle]

the next major TF2 update should be an overhaul of the default settings because christ

they could push that out tomorrow

[rare creek]

tney need to make the max fov 160

[misty plover]

I will start a deranged lie saying its better for everyone like how CS2 players used "optimal networking settings" that didn't do anything because all those convars are unused to improve hitreg lol

Everyone will be dxvk'd

[fickle dragon]

Should also have the better borderless mode with the DXGI swapchain, too bad with Vulkan the screen still blinks black on borderless windowed

[fathom eagle]

CS players are the most gullible when it comes to "lifehacks" like that lol

[fickle dragon]

Great idea, let's spread information over the internet

[rare creek]

dxvk with dxvi swapchain 🔥 🗣️

[fathom eagle]

it don't fix it ☹️

when will there be a translation layer from vulkan to DX12

[misty plover]

The more competitively driven a community the more likely they are to try anything to have a slight advantage even if that means falling for snake oil, that's just human nature lol

[fathom eagle]

cause vulkan is dead (controversial)

[misty plover]

We should all move to metal 👍

[rare creek]

we should shove 5 inch radius metal pipe down apple developer throat

[misty plover]

Metal is actually a pretty good api

Even if Apple sucks

[rare creek]

no

[fickle dragon]

CS players playing 1024x768 stretched on 1080p monitors still annoys me unreasonably, even if it's harmless and doesn't really matter in the end

[misty plover]

Metal is "low level enough", lots of freedom while also having a lot of utility and really good documentation

[summer steeple]

DX12 and vulkan are extremely low level and they SUCK

[misty plover]

DX12 is way higher level than vulkan though

Vulkan is sort of like "You build a supercar from scratch to go to the store to get groceries"

[rare creek]

one small detail you're forgettung

nothing except apple computers can have metal and apple discontinued opengl support because of metal, making development hell for everyone because now you have to implement multiple rendering apis instead of just one

[misty plover]

Simply use wgpu

[rare creek]

apple please start being normal and implement vulkan like everybody else fucking did

[west pilot]

MiniMP3 and webm? Does this mean I can export movies to webm now?

[small siren]

*MiniMP3 and webm?

Does this mean I can export

movies to webm now?*

- sfplayer1

[rare creek]

if metal is so good then why is there no metal to vulkan layer hmm?

terrible

[summer steeple]

if metal is so good then why does rust exist

[rare creek]

apple should hve their balls cut off and never make anything othwr than chips again

[left sand]

moltenvk is good

[rare creek]

because vulkan is good and kronos group is good 😌

[mystic turtle]

b3nny moment

[fickle dragon]

Must be that "player models are larger on the screen" argument

[rare creek]

lower your fov to 75 to make playrrs bigger but in both directions

[rare creek]

b2nny when

[fickle dragon]

Just use Windows magnifying glass so the player model takes up the entire screen. Tunnel vision is just a bonus.

[rare creek]

max fov should be raised to 110, valve did it for their other games no reason why tf2 shouldnt be given the same treatment

[maiden wave]

max viewmodel fov should be raised to 3.40282347E+38 again

[eternal haven]

It is about 110 degrees already

107 or something

in 16:9

[languid haven]

Wont work with dxvk since it supports up to dx11

[summer steeple]

yeah and thats dx9 to vulkan anyway

dx9 to dx12 was the question

[fickle dragon]

ye

[languid haven]

I've heard dx12 and vulkan have almost the same performance.

[summer steeple]

depends on how competant the devs are at setting them up

[languid haven]

Most aren't.

Not even for AAA games.

[fickle dragon]

I don't know how relevant it still is, but it used to be that Nvidia cards did better at DX12 and AMD did better at Vulkan

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[languid haven]

Well actually there was this game called sky something children and it was a mobile game that was ported to PC that runs great on vulkan with what i assume are volumetric clouds with lighting. It was surprisingly well performing.

[maiden wave]

my system does not appear to like dx12 at all

[languid haven]

Neither did mine.

[maiden wave]

i got +20 frames out of helldivers 2 for launching it with dx11

[languid haven]

And i use nvidia.

[fathom eagle]

DX12 doesn't even like itself

[eternal haven]

Can you give more detail on this? What is broken about it?

I've heard a few people saying this, but it's clearly not broken, at least not on NVIDIA

Wonder what the actual difference is

[summer steeple]

-dxlevel 80/81 launch option crashes the game

if you already have dx8 it works

[eternal haven]

Ah alright

I always just change dxlevel in the registry anyways as it's way more convenient than launching the game twice and clicking through steam's awful chromium webpage UI

[fickle dragon]

I'd love to experience botless casual even for a moment, but I have a feeling they'll be back before I'm back from work

[eternal haven]

If you download the 32 bit client it can still connect to all servers just fine

So I guess the bot idiots are just massive idiots or something

[summer steeple]

you don't need to download it

its just installed

but also they need to update their software to work with the new version

[fickle dragon]

Oh so there are both 32-bit and 64-bit exec now available? Interesting

I assumed that since Valve was pushing old hardware away from Steam by dropping support to older Windows's, they wouldn't bother with a 32-bit build

[fathom eagle]

32 bit still supported?

[sterile ferry]

if i was already on the beta branch will i still notice changes/improvements on the current launch or were most of the changes already there

[eternal haven]

it's pretty much the same

[summer steeple]

i don't think there were any changes between beta and now

[eternal haven]

as the beta

[sterile ferry]

alr

[summer steeple]

i don't know if its supported or just.. there

[sterile ferry]

also i saw some stuff about airblast hitbox changes, but i didn't quite get if that will change normal gameplay too or if it just removes some jank with airblasting behind you

[summer steeple]

its possible on a 32bit system it runs that, but if you launch it yourself on a 64bit system it'll be in insecure mode

[misty plover]

It'll be a while

Offsets would be fairly different

[sterile ferry]

afaik the guy who made cathook quit too

[summer steeple]

it does make the hitbox for normal gameplay slightly smaller but also thats kinda hard to notice

[sterile ferry]

so theyll have to make their own bot scripts n shit first

[sterile ferry]

gg

[misty plover]

Ben abandoned it forever ago

[sterile ferry]

now every flick reflect i miss its valves fault...

[eternal haven]

It's kind of funny to me that the bot hosters have been so insanely persistent yet they don't even think to try the 32-bit client now

[misty plover]

Regression, basically treat it like pre-ji airblast.

[sterile ferry]

Wait does that mean the bots just wont be there or will they be in the games but not hit stuff

[sterile ferry]

was never there

would be funny if they reverted back to airblast_cray 1..

[eternal haven]

airblast hitbox only, won't affect the bots

[fickle dragon]

I honestly forgot how airblast changed over the years

[summer steeple]

i hope they don't fix the airblast being fixed

[sterile ferry]

What?

[fickle dragon]

Fire particles, yeah, but not airblast

[sterile ferry]

all i kmow is pre ji it was like always the same launch

and in ji its way more dynamic how you get launched by it

airblasting down to knock people up in the air should still work right?

[fickle dragon]

[summer steeple]

yeah it still works

[sterile ferry]

needa do sum testing when im home...

[sterile ferry]

alr cool

[summer steeple]

or it should at least

i haven't tested it

[misty plover]

@livid oracle It always amazes me how Kizak never gets after you for trolling in the issues lmao

[languid haven]

What they did was have the airblast hitbox beneath their enemies center of their bounding box

[summer steeple]

nah they calculate bounce

[fickle dragon]

Same, I haven't played TF2 for like two weeks now, tried to come back 2 days ago just to get boned by that decal exploit

[summer steeple]

if you get airblasted into the ground from close to the ground they bounce the velocity off the ground

[languid haven]

Wouldn't you take fall damage?

[fickle dragon]

Crashed like thrice in 10 mins

[misty plover]

Wtf games ruined

Everyone uninstall!11!

[sterile ferry]

would be funny if some randomass airblast trick js stopped working (other than the back and upwards airblast)

[summer steeple]

idk

[sterile ferry]

LOL

[misty plover]

No

Kinda

[sterile ferry]

What

[summer steeple]

ok ignore me i'm not srue what I'm talking about lol

[small siren]

*ok ignore me

i'm not srue what I'm talking

about lol*

- treacherousfiend

[misty plover]

.

[summer steeple]

I need to stop talking so confidently before I double check things

I swear they did some bouncing

but I can't find it lol

[misty plover]

It works but

You have to be in kissing range

And doesn't work while crouched iirc

[livid oracle]

@potent wolf did you decide to decompile

[misty plover]

Decompile what

[green tulip]

hey uh is something messed up with texture streaming? I got a friend to test it and it seems like it no longer smoothly animates between mip levels

like it just snaps/pops between each mip level

hmm they said they are running with DXVK so not sure if that's messing it up or not

if anyone wants to test just stare at the engineer's blueprints or scout's candy cane

game should stream out the textures after like 30 seconds of them not being rendered so you probably won't have to close and reopen the game to watch them stream in multiple times

[kind falcon]

have to say a big THANK YOU to YOSHIE for BREAKING ALL OF THE HUDS

[fickle dragon]

who the fuck is yoshie

[sterile ferry]

are huds broken rn

[kind falcon]

and YOU have to fix them!

[fickle dragon]

💊
(+) faster, botless casual for like 8 more hours
(-) custom HUDs are now banned

[sterile ferry]

back to gods intended hud...

[kind falcon]

more like. a week or two actually

[sterile ferry]

yea its likely 2 days at least

most cheats arent even injecting according to another server im in

[kind falcon]

❓

we're gonna use large hammers on you

buddy

[fickle dragon]

With the 32-bit executable still around, isn't this a bit hopeful?

[sterile ferry]

im not the one who tested it tho

[kind falcon]

its not around

[fickle dragon]

Not that I would mind some copium, but

[sterile ferry]

i aint even buy myself the ability to chat ingame let alone cheats that cost like 10x more

[kind falcon]

x32 branch obliterated completely

[fickle dragon]

It is, there are two exes now

[kind falcon]

sure

[fickle dragon]

Unless someone posted a fake screenshot here

Who would lie on the internet, honestly

[sterile ferry]

there were 2 exes in the beta ik that for sure

but not sure about now

[misty plover]

Yeah I'm surprised that issue wasn't resolved I reported it when the beta first dropped lol

[kind falcon]

he doesnt give a fuck

[sterile ferry]

whose yoshie

[kind falcon]

big money. stacked high.

[kind falcon]

contractor

[misty plover]

Lets not bully Joshie, thanks

[sterile ferry]

were huds broken during the beta too or just on the full release

[kind falcon]

freedom o spech\

never heard of it...

[eternal haven]

even such, you can download the manifest containing the last 32 bit client from steam

[misty plover]

I am not a government entity I do not have to comply to freedom of speech

[eternal haven]

and it still works, currently, on all servers

[kind falcon]

crutch

[misty plover]

But anyways joking aside, Joshie is a pretty busy person, tf2 isn't their only project they maintain for valve

They had to rush out this update because of the decal exploit

[eternal haven]

there were certainly hud bugs in the beta

[sterile ferry]

maybe i was blind..

[fickle dragon]

I played two (2) maps with bots in a singleplayer server on the tf2 beta and saw no HUD bugs, so surely everyone having HUD issues is making things up

[kind falcon]

depends on the hud you were using

[misty plover]

A lot of old huds are broken

[sterile ferry]

budhud supremacy

[kind falcon]

its mainly panels being obliterated to smithereens

[sterile ferry]

goodness gracious

is this the main menu

[kind falcon]

mayhaps

[misty plover]

Is it?

[kind falcon]

its the loadout menu

[misty plover]

The huds I all tested had the inventory screen missing and that was it

[sterile ferry]

how broken is budhud..

[kind falcon]

idk hop on and click around not play bot games

[sterile ferry]

not home..

[fickle dragon]

I checked flawhud's git, only this issue is open https://github.com/CriticalFlaw/flawhud/issues/452

Somebody get this man some localization files

[mystic turtle]

custom huds banned my ass, mine still works OK

[mystic turtle]

also there are 2 executables, look for the last screenshot I posted here

[fickle dragon]

#1072696252162117752 message

[mystic turtle]

real strange then

Perhaps some old functionality got broken, therefore busting a bunch of huds?

[lusty ice]

Probably. Bugs regarding HUDs were noticed during the beta.

[vestal violet]

Hmm I wonder if it fucked up toonhud

[kind falcon]

i mean ok.

[heavy solar]

@kind falcon has leveled up! (72 ➜ 73)

[kind falcon]

only the loadout menu is broken as of my 1 second test

[small siren]

*only the loadout

menu is broken as of

my 1 second test*

- marvim

[kind falcon]

these couple of days are the only time to get your tf2 playtime up ..

[fickle dragon]

use it til we lose it

Then bots flood back in and I go back to Minecraft

[mystic turtle]

and it thankfully hits on a weekend
I feel confident that TF2 will be alive for a little while

They say that patients with terminal dementia suddenly have a moment of clarity before they pass on, so perhaps this may be TF2's last farewell /j

[vestal violet]

There has been "official" interest in doing a summer update this year (a valve staff member said it at a qna)

[kind falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072696252162117752/1230798868061491261/e4ce080cbdc1d7bbc708f5aaff578d9c-3-1-1.gif

i am experiencing a whole lot more stutters while on vulkan

[tacit flare]

As in, why upgrade to 64bit if there was no plans to actually use it as a foundation?

Just another Valve Moment™️?

[sterile ferry]

my gpu cant even open it with vulkan

[mystic turtle]

well, maybe
IDK tho, I don't want to sniff too much copium and end up like some of the oddheads you see on r/tf2

[sterile ferry]

what were launch options that can/should be removed now?

[unborn pecan]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5630

So

I just woke up

But maybe it seems like this was fixed?

I am glad to know other people were having the same issue

So bug indeed confirmed

🐱🐱🐱🐱

[tacit flare]

You don't fix the foundations of something you have no interest in developing, especially Valve.

[mystic turtle]

dxlevel options less than 90, gl, noquicktime

off the top of my head

[unborn pecan]

You upgrade to 64bit because having 32bit software in 2024 in a x86_64/aarch64 world is a crime

Especially for gaming

[mystic turtle]

Alrighty then

[kind falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072696252162117752/1230798868061491261/e4ce080cbdc1d7bbc708f5aaff578d9c-3-1-1.gif

who

[unborn pecan]

I will destroy all 32bit software

Oh yeah

[small gazelle]

im getting the same issue but theyre saying its wayland only while im on x11 😭

[unborn pecan]

I bet Tyler mcshitter is sitting his pants rn

[kind falcon]

linux users

🤦‍♂️

[unborn pecan]

I can test it on x11

Are you using

Nvidia or AMD?

[small gazelle]

amd

[unborn pecan]

Are you using the x11 modesetting driver or the xf86-video-amdgpu driver

[small gazelle]

its weird because i can fix it by turning my monitor on and off

[sterile ferry]

budhud not broken my goat

[small gazelle]

running amdgpu

[mystic turtle]

cutehud also works like a charm

well, the edit I have that has goofier text in some places and Jost over all fonts

[unborn pecan]

You mean the amdgpu kernel driver?

Everyone runs that

X11 has its own drivers

Modesetting, which uses GLAMOR and works on every card, or an old-school vendor specific driver

[proper tangle]

Abandon X

follow the plan

[kind falcon]

❓

[proper tangle]

Use Wayland

[unborn pecan]

Oh so true

[small gazelle]

i mean xf86-video-amdgpu

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-fear-shaking-scared-gif-3573734305351084870

[unborn pecan]

Yeah

Okay I will testater

Rn

I am eepy

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-eepy-gif-10295980600460052163

[mystic turtle]

I never thought I'd see that phrase in this place
Rest well

[unborn pecan]

Wdym

Mastercomfig is most extreme eepies

https://tenor.com/view/plink-wide-cat-half-blink-gif-27531610

[mystic turtle]

Nah, whenever I'm here I feel like everyone's usually quite serious
well, unless talon and their comrades show up (and maybe Jane sometimes IDK)

[kind falcon]

my comrades are the entire server

[mystic turtle]

lmfao

[vestal violet]

Oho

TF2 has Vulcan support now

[broken haven]

ohio

[limpid panther]

will do

im currently kinda overwhelmed at work, so it might take a week or two to get to it

[fickle dragon]

Honestly, after seeing all the different references to "Vulcan", I don't feel like laughing at your misspelling of Vulkan anymore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan?wprov=sfla1

[vestal violet]

shh I'm dyslexic :(

[fickle dragon]

Nah we good

[vestal violet]

[unborn pecan]

bruh

I just discovered that for some reason

steam is outputting its stdout console text

to my system journal

wtf

[sterile ferry]

just steam things

[unborn pecan]

anyhow

tf2 crashed my system

somehow

[dreamy marlin]

Launching TF2 on Pop!_OS will now completely disable my primary monitor and make the game crash lol. Like I open Nvidia X-Server Settings and it actually shows my primary monitor as "disabled"

[unborn pecan]

let me try running it again

look at this

it's outputting

steam through plasmashell

Welp

Mangohud is still glitching out

[dreamy marlin]

-windowed -noborder fixed it, but now gnome's status bar is showing, which pushes TF2 down a bit and cuts off the bottom portion of TF2 from my screen, which is a little annoying. Guessing this is a known linux issue?

[vestal violet]

toonhud seems to work for now

[unborn pecan]

i am on x11 now

going to test out tf2

LOL

no problmes on x11

with modesetting

[left sand]

what qna?

[broken haven]

summer update

it was the one that tyler mcvicker covered

the summer update is just gonna be a mini update like smissmiss LOL

[unborn pecan]

ew

tyler mcstinker

[left sand]

but isnt that the one where he said the summer update would be smaller than last year

i dont remember eric saying anything about official interest

[vestal violet]

https://knockout.chat/thread/58944/2#post-2139015

[left sand]

Eric expressed that they were likely to do 2024 and very interested in continuing to do community Summer updates, though they would be much smaller in size compared to 2023

i guess i dont see official interest in the same way

[vestal violet]

I mean

interest is interest

[left sand]

when you said official interest, i took it to mean, interest at valve in general to do an update, not eric spearheading a community update, but ig it makes sense

[vestal violet]

tbf Eric and Joshie are the 2 people who are actively doing really anything with tf2

so they'd be the ones to go to

[left sand]

yes, i just feel there's a difference between something having momentum at valve, and someone at valve being interested

[tough locust]

Eric also said in the interview that he'd like to address the bots but we can see that there's no manpower on the tf team to get something like that dine

take them all as pipe dreams from the last guy at valve who is still passionate about their old product

[lethal moth]

bless his heart

[unborn pecan]

curse his fart

[rare creek]

nope, still happens under vulkan

[unborn pecan]

it was a wayland issue for me

or xwayland

[rare creek]

i dont think it has anything to do with the window system

it's complaining about allocating vertices

and it's not a vram issue because there's no texture problems

[unborn pecan]

oooh

verticies

I was thinking of my issue

[rare creek]

every time it crashes the "vertices used" count is somewhere near 2^24, also the vertices used count is way higher than it should be im on minimum LOD it should NOT be using 17 million vertices

[languid haven]

Btw the stuttering didn't exist for me in the beta, why is it stuttering so badly now?

[rare creek]

it's not stuttering

[languid haven]

Could it be the "open gl optimizations" vpk causing issues?

[summer steeple]

if you're not using opengl you can remove it

[mystic turtle]

OpenGL optimizations would speed up OOM crashes on my Intel-based laptop back in the day, so there's also that

[broken haven]

https://vxtwitter.com/Shakedown_stan/status/1781129139447062775

[summer steeple]

the person who made this hasn't showered in months

[languid haven]

wait what?

[potent wolf]

oh?

[languid haven]

i thought vac didn't work with proton

[potent wolf]

no thats against steam tos

[vestal violet]

The valve assassins would come for you

[coarse spruce]

tfw finger slipped and accidentally loaded TF2 in Ghidra

[livid oracle]

what the fuck

[spare obsidian]

https://fxtwitter.com/TF2SolarLight/status/1781251373993996462 how do we told him?

[livid oracle]

the cone change seems to be intentional

cant really see how it could be a bug at all

cant really confirm anything rn

@potent wolf go ask eric

[languid haven]

wasn't it removed in jungle inferno update?

[coarse spruce]

someone bring back sigsegv so he can make another visualization video 💀

[spare obsidian]

I think someone already did it and Eric reply in the mailing list that it is a bug and they're fixing it iirc

[sterile ferry]

oh

weird ass bug then

[potent wolf]

which list? I havent heard anything about this

[livid oracle]

that was for the neon annihilator

[spare obsidian]

how people can be in the HLDS mailing list without being blasted by spam email by someone random dude lol

[potent wolf]

It doesnt happen that often

[summer steeple]

its usually just the one person, so you can block their email and then only get annoyed by idiots replying to them

OR, you can pause your hlds emails for like a day

[grim parcel]

this actually made me laugh, thank you

[spare obsidian]

wait you get notifications for both the person and the replies? lol

[summer steeple]

I get a notification for everything that comes into my inbox

its funny, email and discord are like the things I am most active on but I hate email (also my email is not public)

[slender nexus]

mfw whip its

NO² my beloved

[livid oracle]

@left sand btw what is The Hunk exactly

looking it up brings me to ancient quake shit

[summer steeple]

its lightmap related

[livid oracle]

yeah but afaik a bunch of other things use it too

[potent wolf]

It's a custom memory allocator inherited from quake iiuc

[livid oracle]

from a quick glance the lightmap hunk cvar iirc toggles between using malloc or Hunk_Alloc

[summer steeple]

well hunk is dead now so its probably just malloc

[half rose]

hacks online again

[languid haven]

hey does tf2 load vpks from custom before or after the splash animation?

[livid oracle]

huh is this similar https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Zone_memory

[potent wolf]

oh neat

engine/zone.cpp has the same comment as z_zone.c in doom

[unborn pecan]

Wait fr?

Does this mean vac works with proton now.......

[spare obsidian]

nope LMAO

we're back at square one

[unborn pecan]

So why did they do this then

[potent wolf]

seems to be a mistake

[unborn pecan]

You guys rmemeber that bug I was having?

[potent wolf]

#gaming-news🎮 message

[spare obsidian]

yeah it was a mistake 👍

[unborn pecan]

Turns out somebody else had thr same bug as me

It is a kwin issue

So I am going to bisect it when I have the chance

6.0.3.1 is good, 6.0.4 is bad

[blazing cloud]

actually i just started noticing the same issue on my setup so that saves me the headache of bugtesting lol

pacman downgrade my beloved

[unborn pecan]

I am going to make a kwin issue if the bug doesn't go away when I compile the latest kwin commit

[languid haven]

hey is this normal?

[left sand]

klose

[livid oracle]

losedows

[kind falcon]

lget

[unborn pecan]

mloss

[kind falcon]

-scratches chin-

hmmmm... hur hur hur hur- hur... hurricn .. hurricane freddy

[livid oracle]

losedows

[crisp cedar]

winblows

[kind falcon]

why are you on your enemys' side

thats kinda... you know ..

yeah..

[livid oracle]

why does it take 3 taps to go to pins now

[crisp cedar]

i was never really on your side (tf2 spy voiceline reference)

[balmy root]

team fortress 2 mega thread

when tf2 500k soldier damage buff?! ‼️‼️‼️

[kind falcon]

hey bro whyd you leave last time

[coarse spruce]

new branch?? https://steamdb.info/app/440/history/?changeid=23227048

seems to be an older build though

[kind falcon]

switch and test

[blazing cloud]

nothing seems different. I was kinda expecting some more ui scaling changes for deck or something.

pyro airblast acts same as live too so it isn't that

[potent wolf]

Team Fortress 2 Megathread - 64-Bit Boost Unleashed

[teal sand]

so is dx8 an even worse idea now

[left sand]

probably

[rare creek]

vk ultra
23195 frames 241.348 seconds 96.11 fps (10.41 ms/f) 13.197 fps variability
23195 frames 246.492 seconds 94.10 fps (10.63 ms/f) 12.306 fps variability
dx ultra
23195 frames 251.548 seconds 92.21 fps (10.84 ms/f) 13.318 fps variability
23195 frames 252.863 seconds 91.73 fps (10.90 ms/f) 12.794 fps variability
vk minimal
23195 frames 204.957 seconds 113.17 fps ( 8.84 ms/f) 16.450 fps variability
23195 frames 204.328 seconds 113.52 fps ( 8.81 ms/f) 16.180 fps variability
dx minimal
23195 frames 206.625 seconds 112.26 fps ( 8.91 ms/f) 17.015 fps variability
23195 frames 206.702 seconds 112.21 fps ( 8.91 ms/f) 16.325 fps variability
100 player timedemo on rtx 3060

dxvk is marginally better than directx in every way

[unborn pecan]

I can't wait for kenaj's information

@limpid panther take ur time pookie :3

[rare creek]

also i feel like i had significantly more stuttering on directx

i have dxgi swapchain disabled and threaded optimization disabled since they're dirty nvidia hacks that i dont want

[surreal valley]

How do you update mastercomfig?

do i have to download everything again?

and all my mods?

[sterile ferry]

i think it just stays as it was

unless anything news already been added / changed theres no need to

[small siren]

*unless anything

news already been added /

changed theres no need to*

- plazma127

[fickle dragon]

If you haven't used direct install, then yeah, you just redownload mastercomfig and the addons you want, and you overwrite what you already have in "custom"

[surreal valley]

damn i kinda forgot what modules i was using

[potent wolf]

it should be saved on the web app

[fickle dragon]

You don't really have to worry about modules maybe unless you're updating a very old mastercomfig that had new/renamed modules? whenever that happened last time

also how certain are you that your mastercomfig is outdated? You may not have missed much

[surreal valley]

you dont have to update it for 64 bit?

[summer steeple]

no

[fickle dragon]

#releases🆕 message

[sterile ferry]

remove -noquicktime if u have it on if

ig

[fickle dragon]

Oh, that's an edit I haven't seen earlier

I'm gonna remove that from my launch options then

[summer steeple]

honestly I hope to god now that -dxlevel causes crashes when you select dx8 that they use it as an excuse to just remove it

[surreal valley]

uh

is duck crouch?

trying to set binds

[summer steeple]

yes

[sterile ferry]

why do u want it gonr

[summer steeple]

cause its shit and its literally holding the game back

there are optimizations that valve cannot do while dx8 still exists in the game

[sterile ferry]

oh

[summer steeple]

with the performance boost that the 64 bit update brought and a potential fps boost that not having dx8 would bring, the only thing that leaves is people using dx8 for its visuals, which can be done in dx9 anyway if valve cares to add it

but they probably won't

[sterile ferry]

64bit alone was a miracle

[surreal valley]

is 64 bit auto on?

[summer steeple]

yes

[surreal valley]

alr

[summer steeple]

i'm not even sure if the 32bit exe is used on 32bit systems

i think its just there for legacy reasons cause you can't even run it in secure mode unless you open it from steam

[fickle dragon]

Friendly reminder for people with profiles for mice or whatever, update them for the new exe. I hopped into TF2 and thought it was stuttering, but it was just my mouse not switching off of 125 Hz 👌

[sterile ferry]

mouse profile

[kind falcon]

mouse profile per executable

lol

[limpid panther]

I predict not much will change from my earlier benchmarks to this one

[small siren]

*I predict not much

will change from my earlier

benchmarks to this one*

- kenajcrap

[limpid panther]

is there something new that wasn't in the beta?

[fickle dragon]

Razer didn't figure out how to detect fullscreen games automatically yet

[kind falcon]

no offense but

offense

[unborn pecan]

HELLO

I'VE found the kwin commit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/666008714393944064.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=funkeHmm

https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/commit/9720ef2e23cf9e2747d493185163f0dfeb36de3e

going to try building 6.0.4 without this commit

[limpid panther]

did you check commit by commit?

[unborn pecan]

I did a binary algorithim search thingy

I big brained it

I listed the commits between the two tags, I chose half way through. If it worked, I would choose a new half on the chunk above me, if it didn't work, I would choose a new half on the chunk below me

Here's how I did it

From top to bottom is from latest to oldest

[potent wolf]

did you use git bisect

[unborn pecan]

no I did it manually

with a modified kwin PKGBUILD

to save time

I reverted back to the 6.0.3.1 package build, and then cherry picked what commit I wanted

with like

git cherry pick HEAD...238293829302830928302

so it will add all the new commits from after the 6.0.3.1 tag to the specified commit

I did it this way cause I don't wanna mess with manually installing software

everytime I had a new commit to try, I would nuke src/kwin in the PKGBULD directory, keeping src/build, to cut down on build times and to have a clean state to do the cherry picking from

I also added a git-style pkgver() function so the package version reflects which commit I am on

so yeah

that's how I did it

:3

[rare creek]

team fortress 2 megathread

[limpid panther]

@unborn pecan nice! I was specially thinking about what a pain in the ass it would be to install the software manually

are you gonna do a bug report?

[limpid panther]

this is related to tf2 though

[rare creek]

this is related to kwin

[unborn pecan]

I left a comment on the original merge request

[limpid panther]

he is messing with kwin because tf2 was crashing. This is a discussion about the root cause of a tf2 crash

[unborn pecan]

no not crashing

but dropping frames

making the game unplayable

well

not unplayable, but it's wrong

[limpid panther]

oh ok, my bad.

still

[unborn pecan]

:3

[potent wolf]

Team Fortress 2 & Linux Megathread

i'll change it

[unborn pecan]

thank u replay

❤️

[limpid panther]

are you sure? Is it mr #5559?

I went looking for it and didn't find any new comments

[drowsy marlin]

So why is TF2 being ported to 64 bit?

Is it just a compatibility thing for steam deck or what?

[languid haven]

64bit is just better

[unborn pecan]

https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/5556

5556

there is some

cherry picking situation going on