Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[misty plover]

[potent wolf]

piracy is evil you're going burn in to hell if you pirate

[misty plover]

You're evil

I am personally taking you to hell

[potent wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/herlock-sholmes-sherlock-holmes-the-great-ace-attorney-dai-gyakuten-saiban-ace-attorney-gif-21633673

[grim parcel]

its ok linux also lies about memory being used

[potent wolf]

linux wastes all your memory to cache things 🙀

[grim parcel]

i found out you could probably do a lot of shit with wine when i sent someone an exe that would rickroll them by opening the youtube url in their browser

and it just worked on linux lmao

[misty plover]

[languid haven]

it really does, a game it said was using 1.5 GBs even though i can clearly see 9GBs being used in total.

[languid haven]

no the really worst part is how much chromium absolutely fucking hates linux, if i have 3 chromium apps it brings the os to a crawl and i have no idea why, less than 15% cpu usage, 5GBs used in total and i think it's just a thread clogger.

[potent wolf]

[misty plover]

Feesh

[languid haven]

i only 4 ores so it has like 8 processes and when i have chrome open and a chromium shit in wine it freaks out. can't even run banter but that could be because of unity.

[misty plover]

4 iron ore ⛏️

[potent wolf]

I am running chromium, discord, steam, signal, slack

my computer is going to fucking explode rn

[misty plover]

Its signals fault

Obviously

[languid haven]

i can't run steam normally, i'll send the command i have to use

/usr/bin/steam-native -no-cef-sandbox -cef-single-process

[potent wolf]

no sandbox 🙀

[languid haven]

if i don't, webhelper refuses to not crash on launch.

[potent wolf]

you're going to get hacked!

[misty plover]

hacker voice im in

[languid haven]

you just reminded me of every cop and fbi show who gives lawyers cannon fodder to get cases thrown out for illegally obtained evidence.

[jagged pawn]

I hate this so much what are they thinking

[grim parcel]

wtf

year of the linux desktop!

[jagged pawn]

me taking my perfectly good operating system and breaking it on purpose

[potent wolf]

xorg needs to die

[grim parcel]

this is only for gnome, where wayland actually works

[kind falcon]

https://imgur.com/a/sRsF2nG

hi grapevine

mmm

[grim parcel]

even on nvidia

only outlier is like older nvidia cards on the proprietary driver still

[jagged pawn]

wayland does not work lmao I tried using it for a good week and every issue I had (there were a lot) was unfixable, like every time I looked for solutions I just found threads like "oh yeah it just does that lol"

[grim parcel]

they've also had it as the default session for years now

[limpid panther]

steam -reset fixed it for me

[grim parcel]

was this week back in like 2017 or?

[jagged pawn]

and like, yes most of the issues with wayland are actually with apps failing to support it properly, but that's identical from an end user perspective

no it was last year

[limpid panther]

make sure to look into what it does before running it, please

[jagged pawn]

OW MY KNEES

[kind falcon]

oops haha

[grim parcel]

the only thing "broken" now that is intended with wayland is like global shortcuts?

[jagged pawn]

BOTH OF MY KNEES

[kind falcon]

my thumbbnails arent loading

[grim parcel]

but you can use those too now

[languid haven]

give me a script to setup wayland automatically, only then will you get what you want due to convenience.

[grim parcel]

**depending on distro/DE/whatever because linux is linux

[grim parcel]

give me a script to setup wayland automatically
install any normal distro

[potent wolf]

i am using the default plasma wayland session on nixos

and everything works fine

[jagged pawn]

so there were a few things but specifically the one that made me switch back is the fact that I had to manually re setup OBS every single time I wanted to stream because wayland has schizophrenia and is terrified of something having access to your screen across multiple sessions so it just wipes all the access and I have to go through and re-approve

[limpid panther]

how is CEF and electron stuff? last time I tried it it was very unresponsive and flickering

[languid haven]

https://tenor.com/view/fun-pointing-not-scientifically-possible-gif-14882344

[kind falcon]

"wait you guys dont do linux from scratch?"

[languid haven]

nvidia

[grim parcel]

obs issue tbh

[languid haven]

that too

[grim parcel]

but i actually ran into that the other day

[potent wolf]

huh, it works fine on my system

[jagged pawn]

bump

[potent wolf]

wonder what's going on there

[grim parcel]

it will retain the windows shared and stuff, but you just have to go through the confirmation dialogue again

[jagged pawn]

yeah and I don't want to confirm it multiple times a week lol

[languid haven]

well it works on nvidia now but most are just too inexperienced or too lazy to do it themselves.

[potent wolf]

oh right what de

[grim parcel]

and if you hit "remember this choice" or "always share" (i forgot which it was) you don't need to do it again

[jagged pawn]

gee nome

[jagged pawn]

this is not true

[potent wolf]

mmmm i use kde so maybe it works better there

[grim parcel]

it is on plasma

i literally did it yesterday lol

[languid haven]

and installing a new distro and wiping everything on my hard drive, i rather kill a man.

[jagged pawn]

gnome issue then

[potent wolf]

i love linux

[jagged pawn]

real

[grim parcel]

i think gnome has it too now though

[jagged pawn]

year of the linux desktop

[grim parcel]

because like

last year this was kinda new lmao

[potent wolf]

year of the chromeos desktop

[jagged pawn]

YEAH

fuschia dropping this year for sure guys

[languid haven]

kde5 does not, it breaks even just launching tf2 and kde6 is not out for my distro yet. i can install but i have to edit a file to allow "unstable updates"

[grim parcel]

what distro are you on?

[kind falcon]

not sharing that information

[languid haven]

oh endeavourOS

[grim parcel]

damn does arch still not have plasma 6?

🧓

huh, they should

didn't know endeavour held back updates

[kind falcon]

how would they hold fbacdk updat es thats silly ..

[limpid panther]

manjaro moment

but do they actually?

[languid haven]

i think they are

[potent wolf]

why

[languid haven]

idk, checking if yay let's me update it

[limpid panther]

at this point why not manjaro like

its the same thing, but better

[kind falcon]

according to the subreddit ( god please forgive me for visitng that sirte), youll get plasma6

[kind falcon]

???

shyut up wshejut u[p sjhut up shut up shut uioiopp[p

[limpid panther]

more support, more established, better ootb

[kind falcon]

are you sure you are speaking about manjaro

and endeavouros

[limpid panther]

yes

[languid haven]

finally the update!

[kind falcon]

you might be unaware

[limpid panther]

I though the whole point of endevourOS was "Manjaro but no 2 week delay"

[languid haven]

i guess it release the same day akira died

[kind falcon]

endeavour is manjaro but good

[kind falcon]

expect shit breaking

[languid haven]

i do but i don't have auto-login

[kind falcon]

please move the arch talk to whatever channel is supposed to be used

[small siren]

*please move the arch talk

to whatever channel is

supposed to be used*

- t灬

[kind falcon]

thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!! i am admin of discord server

[potent wolf]

renaming this thread to linux-support-thread

[kind falcon]

finally the time to get another megathread

just like coms intended

[grim parcel]

if people actually used linux, this thread would totally become that with the libtcmalloc issue

[limpid panther]

I'm still incredulous about the endevouros thing

[kind falcon]

what

[kind falcon]

Last Updated: 2024-03-06 15:01 UTC

[potent wolf]

tf2 megathread v5284748

[kind falcon]

yup

aight girl ill see u tmrw

bye bye ^_^

[languid haven]

low

lol

damn my brain

[summer willow]

lol

[livid oracle]

linux is bad

[jagged pawn]

nuh uh

[potent wolf]

linux fail

[misty plover]

https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/3871

True!

[potent wolf]

lol

[unborn pecan]

they do

I er

I told you yesterday

[unborn pecan]

wait what

does this mean

that

what does this mean....

Does this mean no more virtual desktops

😭

[potent wolf]

no

virtual desktops are still a thing

[unborn pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-win-gif-18390652

[potent wolf]

iiuc you just can't switch between them in the alt-tab switcher anymore

[small siren]

*iiuc you just can't switch

between them in the alt-tab

switcher anymore*

- replay

[unborn pecan]

how do you get to this menu

😭

[potent wolf]

Meta-W

[unborn pecan]

I was looking at that replay

oh what the hell

why are they removing that

[potent wolf]

they aren't

this is plasma 6

[unborn pecan]

oh i c

[misty plover]

[tough locust]

W

[paper sluice]

i just got rolled in a game and i said gg and some one was like gg? and i thought to myself well yeah like youre gonna get rolled sometimes it happens it sucks when its happening and can be a lil demoralizing but it ends eventually just gotta play the next game and maybe youll roll or it'll just be a normal match or you might even get rolled again and then i realized huh this is kinda how i see like things in my life
this says a lot about society

[tacit flare]

Just like real life, TF2 is unfair and unbalanced, and there is extremely little anyone can do about it other than play with the hand they're dealt.

[languid haven]

should we just make a copypasta on why 64bit tf2 is better?

[cursive peak]

I wouldn't describe a roll as a good game. That would be reason to question why someone was saying it.

[tacit flare]

Has there ever been a working PvP progression system where player's aren't rolled by bad teammates?

Cause that doesn't sound possible.

Especially for TF2.

Like, Halo Infinite for example, it's matchmaking system deliberately puts you on teams with far lower ranking players if you've been winning too much, all but assuring you lose.

It's frustrating as hell because you can tell when that happens during the pregame introduction, and all you can do is quit or try your hardest to solocarry.

[left sand]

why would you want that?

those sorts of matches are intentional for rank mobility

if you can solo carry, it means you pass the test

the matchmakers job isn't to give you a 50% win chance at all times

but rather give you an unbiased normal distribution of win probabilities over time

[languid haven]

meaniing if you're bad, you're bad

[next nymph]

the theoretically ideal matchmaking system: you are always matched with the strongest players or the weakest players, opposite of the last time. Therefore you will always get a 50% winrate

[tacit flare]

Then why does it feel like that?

[left sand]

please elaborate?

[radiant merlin]

this is ow2 fr 😭

[grim parcel]

true

it makes it feel like shit when you're on the hero challenges

"win 35 games" yeah ok see you in 70

[summer steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taAUpL0BV9k

interesting insight on why the cast is the way they are

tl;dr local casting rather than more international casting, "how would a 1960s suburban mom in the US think these people would sound like", it being more cartoony rather than realistic

[misty plover]

Depends on the algorithm

Some target fair matches, some are optimized around engagement where you get some tough games then some super easy ones to keep you in the game, some are oriented around having a "lead" player they expect to control the game, etc.. etc..

Most average out to around a 50% w/l ratio though

[next nymph]

I don't think mcoms' "50% win chance at all times" comment is about a w/l ratio over time, but the chance of winning a specific match

see: my example. You have a 50% w/l ratio but no match has a 50% win chance

[misty plover]

Ah

I mean, for the higher skilled players it likely is

I actually wonder how tf2s casual matchamaking works

You can view the statistics of it, but my matchmaking rating feels really bad relative to my rank

Or what the "Result Rank" is

If its IE: 115, am I the in the top 115 players? Or bottom 115?

[cursive peak]

I've never found it convincing that rankings can be all that accurate. There's so much going on that won't show in logs that is super impactful.

Like, stuffing an uber won't really show in logs but can make the difference between a win and a loss.

[misty plover]

Ah nevermind the rank might just be level lol

[cursive peak]

Also, isn't this getting too serious for TF2?

[left sand]

which means it'll affect rank

[misty plover]

Honestly casual's matchmaking is a blackbox still lol

[left sand]

eh, not really

it started out with basic elo and then

all the changes are documented past that

[misty plover]

Its not elo

Its glicko2

Currently

But they don't display confidence or other mechanics which is why I mean its a blackbox still

I think the score is almost exclusively win/loss ratio though, because I see score drops on games where I topscore but still lose, but gains on games where I do basically nothing and win

[left sand]

it is not glicko, i really doubt valve had true glicko until 2023

[misty plover]

It is

Has been for a while

As of like... 2018

CSGO had glicko for longer

[left sand]

yes ik they said glicko

but neither tf2 nor csgo showed many signs of using glicko

until much later for csgo

[misty plover]

I mean there's not really any benefit to lying about using glicko vs elo lol

[left sand]

im not saying theyre lying

[livid urchin]

whatever they are using, it doesn't seem to work very well in tf2 casual

[left sand]

im just saying theyve gotten better at implementing it

[misty plover]

Glicko is a scoring method, not a matchmaking method

Its one part of the matchmaking system to quantify how good a player is

[left sand]

the matchmakers only quantification of how good a player is, is their rank

everything else is just for player satisfaction

casual has very strict criteria for players

[livid urchin]

no one said it was their entire matchmaking system

[left sand]

in that it must produce a new match with 24 players near instantly on a wide range of maps and game modes

that's the expectation/requirement

[misty plover]

Mmmhm

Yeah, it seems winning has the highest (or may be the only?) result to the score calculation

I do wish I had access to the confidence metrics

[misty plover]

I think getting kicked might count as a loss?

Nvm

[misty plover]

Yep, had a game where I was 60-30, highest score on the board for either team, and still lost mmr points. It only cares about your wins

[languid haven]

Hero challenge?

[heavy solar]

@languid haven has leveled up! (27 ➜ 28)

[radiant merlin]

sorry i forgot aboot the new rules

[livid urchin]

It's interesting that not all of the OpenGL cvars have been removed from the Linux beta, I would have thought with the switch to Vulkan they'd all be gone.

gl_amd_occlusion_workaround
gl_blit_halfx
gl_blit_halfy
gl_clear
gl_clear_randomcolor
gl_disable_forced_vsync
gl_finish
gl_swapdebug 
gl_swapinterval
gl_swaplimit
gl_swaplimit_mt
gl_swaptear

[dreamy marlin]

Can't you still revert the beta to opengl with -gl?

[potent wolf]

Yes. Most of those ConVars are created by the SDL manager. Since that's part of the engine and not part of the togl dll, they're always created even if they don't do anything on dxvk.

also some of them aren't related to opengl, like gl_clear

[misty plover]

Sadly, ToGL hasn't been fully eradicated

[dreamy marlin]

I think a lot of GPUs that are 10yrs+ old don't support Vulkan, so they'd still need ToGL

RE: the guy running TF2 on a 2012 Mac Mini with Ubuntu installed: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5435

[tough locust]

yeah basically any intel integrated graphics before 2014/15 don't support vulkan which TF2 still runs okay on

[dreamy marlin]

I don't think Nvidia supported Vulkan until Maxwell (2014) either

[cursive peak]

https://www.twitch.tv/rglgg

It's Steel week. Always the fun week.

[mystic turtle]

ah, yes. the map that actually forces you to use your brain

[coarse spruce]

Is it me or is alpha stuff slower on Vulkan? Certain unusual effects with lots of overlapping particles with alpha stuff and stuff like flames/airblast effect seem to cause stutter on Vulkan

[languid haven]

steam released something called "steam audio"

[potent wolf]

what about it?

[formal dew]

it is what it is

[summer steeple]

steam audio has been around for a while

several years

i think they made the sdk fully open source recently tho

[small siren]

*i think they made the

sdk fully open

source recently tho*

- treacherousfiend

[crisp cedar]

old news

[languid haven]

yeah that part

[radiant merlin]

this is the first time this has happened to me since I started playing

[small siren]

*this is the first time

this has happened to me since

I started playing*

- ashewiki_tf

[languid haven]

that's a little common

[misty plover]

Steam released something called steam 🙀

[languid haven]

Try playing tf2 without directional sound.

[potent wolf]

I play tf2 with barely any sound at all

[misty plover]

I blast music at max volume, but still have trained myself to hear spies through it

It's very fun

Though tbh sound is the thing I rely on the least in games

Not to say I can't use it but I like jamming out to my music while beating people's butts

[grim parcel]

hes just like me fr

[crisp cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538873360688611338/1215435660001812541/tumblr_s94nzj4t0y1a4gjvw.mp4?ex=65fcbdab&is=65ea48ab&hm=e6efb7baa7b3f0a741a4e49e3470fb416df128c9d3775b4fbb74bb740d981e2b&

[tough locust]

I've switched to playing games with one earbud since 2016 trying to figure out what;s going on in csgo is a nightmare

[mystic turtle]

alright, here's a dumb story
I queue into Casual as usual, expecting to be steamrolled as expected
so I join onto a Dustbowl server, go ahead and play, not noting anything of significance
I do my job as Scout, cap points
and for some reason the enemy team is so woefully inept
they even let me backcap on stage 1 last because the last surviving engie didnt put his sentry on the point
Round 2 begins and it's yet another wipe
By round 3 it's already taken for granted that we won
In retrospect, I feel sorry for the poor bastards that got put on Red

like, hell, I even was MVP on round 2 due to capping all the points and getting a few kills while remaining at the front of the battle line
it was disappointing

[languid haven]

have you guys seen any tf2 maps with 4K textures like bethesda bought tf2 and made tf3?

[broken haven]

what

[crisp cedar]

if bethesda bought tf2 they would make tf2

again

and again

[kind falcon]

tf2 premium edition

tf2 anniversary ultimate edition

[languid haven]

i want to play a map on 64bit tf2 that runs worse than wutville.

[cursive peak]

Just do 100 player Wutville

[languid haven]

you'd only lose 20 fps.

[cursive peak]

If you're just wanting to play low frame rate TF2, why not cap it at 10fps and call it a day?

[languid haven]

because that's the easy way out.

it's like wanting to suffer, "just play casual" that's the easy way out

also why'd tf2 update 150 MBs?

[potent wolf]

workshop maps probably

theres an icon in the download list you can hover over to check

[tough locust]

nope but I also haven't seen anyone make a horrible upscaled TF2 using RTX remix yet either

[languid haven]

i'm not subscribed to any

[tough locust]

it did??

are u on 64 bit

I haven't seen any changes to the repo

[potent wolf]

there hasn't been an update to any branch recently

[potent wolf]

check this

it might also just be steam being silly

[tough locust]

yeah it'll give you a little gear bubble if u download workshop stuff

or downloaded workshop maps from a community server

[formal dew]

tf2 64 bit has been cancelled in favor of quantum computing

[misty plover]

You have been cancelled

Deallocation will begin shortly.

[summer steeple]

tbh this is probably partially because they'd have to use dx8 for it

[languid haven]

You make kids that don't shut up about a gmod toilet seem like an intelligent life form.

[next nymph]

we respect all gamers in this server

[languid haven]

You forgot the ones whom grew up on cod lobies

[next nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/on-cod-gif-2719497445038114894

[mystic turtle]

bro is literally the combine overwatch voice

[mystic turtle]

Welcome to my hell
I go through this very often
Perhaps that's why I'm so salty these days, my connection keeps lerping around like that and I often watch a slideshow of my own death

So, I guess it's a double skill issue; I already kinda stink at the game and along comes my shitty ass ISP (if you can even call it one, as it's literally 4G data repackaged as "broadband")

"Oh, did you make a small mistake approaching your enemy? Well fuck you, you now have to sit and watch as your character is stuck in this bad spot for 20 seconds. Have fun watching him get destroyed by literally the entire enemy team or something"

Still tho, nice reflect while you were going through that

[left sand]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/16fugvu/heres_a_fresh_tf2_hud_concept_ive_been_working_on/

actually good reddit

[tough locust]

pretty good it looks like darhud tho https://gamebanana.com/mods/463048

[next nymph]

the reddit post says darhud was inspired by this

[tough locust]

ohhh makes sense lol

i like it but the angular look is definitely more 50's retro future atomic era UPA style than late 60s

[void slate]

Does anyone here know typescript?

Or even know what typescript is?

[next nymph]

imo: "tf2 style" is really ugly ui and i like huds that don't try to stick to it

[next nymph]

i wouldn't describe myself as an expert in it, but ive used it at jobs before

[void slate]

Awesome

Would you know how to rewrite a program that rename folders, to instead rename files?

Because I'm trying to make it possible to sort vpks without needing to rename them manually

And the there is a thing in tyepscript which alread does this but puts pak files inside folder and renames the folders instead of the file themselves

Its like only 100 line but I do not understan any of it

[next nymph]

whats the code

[void slate]

Its all in .ts .js files

I think what decided how what renamed is under index and LoadOrder files

[misty plover]

Decent, too quirky though, damages readability

(Also the alignment of certain elements really upsets me

[paper sluice]

I thought it was gonna be a joke post and it was just tf2 hud except there’s a white box covering your whole screen

[craggy ridge]

I keep forgetting you are THE JARATEKING, THE HUDGUY

[next nymph]

(i havent really done any hud work in years at this point)

[unborn pecan]

I like the shadows in the health and ammo

for something so simple, it makes it really modern

[summer steeple]

smh jarateking is a hack, since 2022 I have nearly as many commits as them on their hud reference github page

[livid oracle]

jarateking, creator of huds

[hidden gyro]

huh

so netgraph reduces fps

who woulda thunk

[cursive peak]

Everyone.

[hidden gyro]

Yes but it kills 25% of my FPS

210 -> 155

[kind falcon]

i mean there’s a whole lotta strings and lines to draw

[summer steeple]

wouldn't be surprised (haven't checked) if each line on the graph itself is its own panel

[cursive peak]

I just use net_graph 1 unless I specifically need something from the higher ones.

[left sand]

its a manual pixel setup for the net graph

on the cpu

i think it draws with a line batcher

but

[summer steeple]

oh interesting

[jagged pawn]

I've asked a similar question before but I'm gonna throw it out there again because I just saw a tournament hud that features weapons like this. why is it that this can't be done for a personal hud? like having a cs style inventory on the side but with icons like these

[next nymph]

Casting huds make use of unsigned plugins, which is fine for a stv spectator but not for regular play. Those weapons are one example of something that the casting hud plugin adds support for -- regular huds simply have no way of telling that

[kind falcon]

Casting huds make use of CHEATS, which is fine for a stv spectator but not for regular play.

[jagged pawn]

ah gotcha

anyway https://clips.twitch.tv/BadObeseWebCopyThis-gks59udDvLFkOceK

[misty plover]

Yeah the font rendering for debug elements is notoriously awful

It's simple lazy code, isn't designed for performance nor should it be

[kind falcon]

ok mx. Ubefied Bebavior

[tough locust]

https://github.com/PazerOP/CastingEssentials its part of this plugin IIRC, the features are cool but they could probably get you VAC banned since it requires .dll injects

[jagged pawn]

yeah fair enough

[potent wolf]

It won't even load under VAC because it's a "server" plugin

[misty plover]

Client plugins are a known thing

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Client_plugins

Though I've never seen any that are actually signed and capable of loading

Considering pazer has a sent_to_valve folder I think its probably safe to assume they have a signed variant though

[potent wolf]

prec

[potent wolf]

"server" plugin

[misty plover]

Ah fair

Anyways yeah I didn't know that there was any that were actually signed and approved by valve till now lol

Time to harass eric to get my custom hud plugin approved

[left sand]

plugins will never be signed again

[misty plover]

Probably yeah

I mean in the first place there's not much of a need for client plugins for something like tf2

Also the steamworks call it makes to validate the plugin signature is deprecated iirc?

[misty plover]

Yeah it is

[radiant merlin]

@next nymph do you have in your hud reference a section about hud conditions?

like "if_match" or "if_no_flags" ?

[summer steeple]

i don't believe so but there's currently an in progress PR to document all the panels (and as such their conditions)

[radiant merlin]

where?

[summer steeple]

https://github.com/JarateKing/TF2-Hud-Reference/pull/25

its not very complete rn

(and they haven't added my additions yet)

[radiant merlin]

there are a lot in the code wow

[summer steeple]

actually it doesn't look like any of the ones they've documented yet have them

[summer steeple]

yeah

[radiant merlin]

escort is payload right?

[summer steeple]

yea

some other conditions off the top of my head are on the ctf hud elements

there's also "if_mvm" and "if_matchmaking" (or "if_competitive"? I forget) on a few

[radiant merlin]

yes

[summer steeple]

oh its just if_match

[cursive peak]

https://www.twitch.tv/rglgg

[livid oracle]

i like how tf2 players found the source engine issue tracker and use it to make balance suggestions or this https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5317

[mystic turtle]

eh, as if Valve the contractors Valve hires are gonna make balance changes
or accept anything other than TC2 fixes
Not that they're bad, moreso that it's asking too much

[livid oracle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/577920267607867412/1219500514807648346/image.png?ex=660b875b&is=65f9125b&hm=5e669640116b9d9d6b840ad880499b170c9ebeae075692ba4c24c7b95add5a9b&

[paper sluice]

@atomic

[jagged pawn]

LMAOOOOOOO

[mystic turtle]

this is braindead
from a realistic perspective the box still has enemy team coloring

[jagged pawn]

github needs to have a "minimum 1 contribution before commenting" rule

[mystic turtle]

so sentry will still shoot

[jagged pawn]

I actually do agree with the premise that taunts should be able to affect the game in meaningless ways, I think it would be fun. but I'm not filing an issue report for that 💀

[jagged pawn]

so real

[livid oracle]

real issue

[mystic turtle]

What's next? "Fix Baby Face's Blaster hitbox bug and revert it to its older stats"?

[mystic turtle]

wow, just wow

[void slate]

In my defense it was 3 am, I have submitted other actual bugs, like you can negate the back scatter mini-crit from behind by simply looking straight up or down.

[mystic turtle]

fair enough
IDK, it's just that the chat here sometimes has a habit of bashing on things to an extent

Just wait until some random tftuber spouts something stupid and see for yourself

[livid oracle]

i just think its funny

[jagged pawn]

setting up crosshairs rn and I realized something

why can you set a crosshair for the base jumper 💀

is there even a way to hold it out

[languid haven]

maybe because it's considered a banner with no ammo.

you can't hold throwables or weapons when there's no ammo but banners usually don't do that cause the meter.

[jagged pawn]

generally speaking weapon types are lumped together (you can't set each banner separately for example) so I'm pretty sure it's not this

for context

[grim parcel]

for april fools they should rename it to the B.A.S.E.D Jumper

[left sand]

bc i overlooked that

[jagged pawn]

ah I see lol

related question that I know has nothing to do with you overlooking anything bc it's a game defaults thing: why is it that, for 7 of the 9 classes, melee weapons default to the circle crosshair, but for pyro and spy it defaults to the sniper rifle crosshair? bug?

[void slate]

Found this, would cool if TF2 had a proper mod manager

https://github.com/NicholasDJM/ProvisionsModManager

[cursive peak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCfpGzl4aiE

[limpid panther]

looks cool!!

[mystic turtle]

pass time? damn

[tough locust]

true gamebanana has some tool for TF2 but it's not too useful from what I've seen

[void slate]

Ya the tf2 extension I made for vortex mod manager is much better, though I wish I figure out how to direct game banana downloads

[left sand]

mastercomfig

[tough locust]

i love gamebanana but plEEEASE can they add some kind of tag that says "casual compatible" to TF2 mods so that we don't have to use gamebananas horrible search feature. I don't mind manually adding/removing mods, i just think its a PITA to sift thru gamebanana for mods since the search is so primitive

it would be cool to have an auto installer for mods but there isn't really one consistent standard for how mods are set up in the gamebana downloads. Since gamebanana doesnt let u upload vpks directly the mods are all different, some mods are in folder form, some are vpks inside zips, some are multiple optional vpks, some go directly into the /tf folder, etc

[void slate]

Well the standard for uploading any tf2 mod is a vpk in a zip/7z with maybe a readme.txt with credits and a quick description of the mod.

[radiant merlin]

they also need to get rid of the community spotlight section because 💀

[grim parcel]

fempyro mods supported by mastercomfig???

[jagged pawn]

finally

femfig

[radiant merlin]

femfig is enabled every june 1st when mastercomfig can be whatever you want

[cursive peak]

https://www.reddit.com/r/truetf2/comments/1bj0a31/tournament_announcement_the_rgl_4v4_pass_time_cup/

[radiant merlin]

bruh they pogo in the fucking ball

how tf do you do that?

[cursive peak]

I've never played the game mode myself.

[jagged pawn]

it makes me so happy that rgl is supporting weird ass modes again

my sole complaint about rgl pass time is that every map looks like shit

like how are literally zero of them artpassed lol

[radiant merlin]

they look kinda hard to artpass

[jagged pawn]

the ramps will admittedly always look out of place but the rest could be passed

[radiant merlin]

a futuristic setting would probably look nice

[jagged pawn]

space pass time

[mystic turtle]

space jam tf2

[radiant merlin]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5573

?

[hidden gyro]

Is TF2 safe

Apex is source engine right

<_<

EAC says it's not their bug but we'll see

[potent wolf]

tf2 is probably fine

theres no reason to panic when we barely have any details (afaik) on what the vulnerability is

[hidden gyro]

I will pay $3 for this exploit

[next nymph]

i'll pay $4

[hidden gyro]

You drive a hard bargain, $4.50

[next nymph]

$4.51

[hidden gyro]

Wow, Mr Moneybags over here

Too rich for my blood

[kind falcon]

is made by russians

panic now

[potent wolf]

🙀

UNINSNTALAL TF@ NOW GUYS

[hidden gyro]

Special Military Operation? In My Source Games?

It's more likely than you think

[kind falcon]

hey buddy...

what your wife been up to

sorry

[hidden gyro]

[kind falcon]

https://imgur.com/svc3bmL

look at this cat

[hidden gyro]

This cat is amazing

[paper sluice]

Yeah it’s heavily modified tho

[crisp cedar]

its pretty much as source as s&box is

[surreal valley]

https://tenor.com/view/attack-tole-tole-humble-cat-evil-nefarious-gif-3184810906682277049

[languid haven]

tf2 had a exploit like this but it got patched.

[potent wolf]

ok?

It's a very complex and messy C++ codebase, of course it has vulnerabilities

[livid oracle]

i hate tf2

[potent wolf]

me too

[potent wolf]

but it doesn't mean that a bug in apex legends has anything to do with tf2

[kind falcon]

like what

the hacker known as cathook rce?

[languid haven]

don't be a dumbass, remember when tf2 2016 source leaked andd someone was doing RCEs?

https://youtu.be/mJNzWcmzHN4 someone made a video on it i think

actually i don't even think that was the one i was talking about

wtf did i link?

ok no i meant the rce exploit by slidybat, the secretclub did an article on it i think.

[crisp cedar]

this video is giving me sensory issues

as far as i recall the rce stuff was mostly fearmongering

i think something happened with tf2c but dont quote me on that

[tough locust]

yeah but when that source leaked all the exploits there were already long since patched iirc

[radiant merlin]

that was in 2018

[crisp cedar]

time flies

[languid haven]

that's a lie.

[kind falcon]

2020

[kind falcon]

strong words buddy

[languid haven]

i've heard much worse in casual and community

if anything that's light as whipcream

[kind falcon]

me when i send a message with a whole bunch of newlines and make everyone scared as shit!!!

[languid haven]

maybe learn how to articulate better and come back with a sentance that actually makes sense.

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-relaxing-paws-gif-26218217

ok man

c u

[crisp cedar]

you should not aggro on marvin (talon)

they like to bait people

no need to be mean spirited either ✌️

[kind falcon]

i mean there was no bait in my words

but shore mr. moderator

[languid haven]

i can kinda see that but i just find it more boring to bother with.

[kind falcon]

open for discussion

[languid haven]

nah

[kind falcon]

unlucky

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1074701932347801610/1079806554699739238/image0-10.gif

[languid haven]

i just realized dragon ball the breakers is just versus saxton hale with flying, third person and having collectable mcguffons around the map.

[crisp cedar]

then do not bother

bait never changed. always ignorable...

[potent wolf]

[potent wolf]

do you know of any unpatched RCE vulnerabilities in tf2?

[kind falcon]

the theory of infinite universes states that ...

[kind falcon]

me refers to me hypothethically hosting bots in the time period given (2021). send a message refers to my bots sending messages including newline symbols (not accessible to regular clients and requires client modification (practically, clearing, wiping the chat, that way, having the ability to visually have messages be displayed as if they're sent by the server (you wont believe what it says on the ceiling))

[crisp cedar]

@kind falcon please do not click this ➡️ ||rce enabled, keylogger installed, browser passwords saved, trojan injected||

[limpid panther]

@crisp cedar please do not click this ➡️ ||L + maidenless + no runes + touch grace + parried + scarlet rot + one shot + you leveled dex||

[paper sluice]

https://vxtwitter.com/JakeSucky/status/1770244068192501913

[potent wolf]

oh right do we even have any proof it was a vuln in apex

[languid haven]

when that source leaked all the exploits there were already long since patched

is what i said was a lie

if they were already patched then there'd never be a reason to stop playing in the first place.

hey did valve fix the RCE through the invite system on CS:GOand TF2?

[tough locust]

i never got hit by rce and i sitll don't know anybody that ever reported actually getting hit with RCE stuff in TF2 during 2020

[languid haven]

the server based ones just opened the windows calculator and that got patched quick, a year later someone discovered the party invite one but idk if it got patched, hope it did.

damn valve uses a website called "hackerone" to basically allow people to sumbit bug reports or exploit/glitch walkthroughs for very high severity bugs. they even pay for it i think

[summer steeple]

yeah

valve takes security issues extremely seriously

they actually rearranged the bounties on hackerone relatively recently

i think they took off all goldsrc games, and separated it to steam, source 2 games, and source 1 games

[languid haven]

that explains why leaks are rare for valve and usually is only game source code than something really bad like personal info.

[summer steeple]

it used to be like steam, source 2 games, MP source 1, SP source 1, goldsrc

[summer steeple]

this is probably why

oh i'm wrong they completely killed bounties for SP source 1 games

and portal 2 cause i guess co-op is secondary

they used to even pay for goldsrc stuff

[languid haven]

seems like a small bounty for steam

[summer steeple]

$750 whole dollars for a CS1.6 RCE if its critical

[summer steeple]

note the +, for critical stuff they're willing to go higher

[languid haven]

ooooh

[summer steeple]

that actually is new, it used to be capped at $7,500 for steam

the tragic thing is when they updated this in january they dropped TF2 from the high tier down to the L4D tier lol

[limpid panther]

bro fix your tables

[summer steeple]

they only show changes in plaintext!

oh sorry, in the "united diff format"

[languid haven]

idk why it's not possible to just sandbox a game to no access outside it's own folder and only have read access to specific libraries so it can function.

[summer steeple]

I mean usually isn't stuff like RCEs due to memory unsafe shit

reading or writing to memory you shouldn't be able to

[languid haven]

yeah

[potent wolf]

awesome C++ things :D

[languid haven]

someone even did that on an N64 with the controller ports to inject code.

[summer steeple]

the whitehouse really should make c++ illegal smh

[languid haven]

that'd be illegal in it's own way since code is a kind of language.

[potent wolf]

https://secret.club/2021/04/20/source-engine-rce-invite.html this one? it's fixed, as stated in the article

[summer steeple]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/oncd/briefing-room/2024/02/26/press-release-technical-report/

[radiant merlin]

is that why i heard python here, python there?

[potent wolf]

flatpak?

[languid haven]

they want people to use rust, that shit takes too long to compile and you can't make a language illegal even if it's code. first amendment, that's why malicious code and threatening to kill are illegal but really enforced unless it gets really bad.

[potent wolf]

C++ needs to die

[languid haven]

goodbye to a majority of games then

[summer steeple]

i'm mostly kidding

and its not a law, its just a "please stop using memory unsafe languages"

[languid haven]

i get that but them recommending rust doesn't exactly help since rust takes longer to compile and would only serve to make less experienced devs not bother. the only issue is safety and speed whether it be processing or compiling.

[potent wolf]

rust isn't the only memory-safe language

[summer steeple]

honestly idk much about rust or its compile times but after doing a bit of googling it seems like for some people it is an issue and for others its not

depending on project structure, and it does seem like its been getting optimizations over time

[potent wolf]

rust compile times can be annoying sometimes, and it's got waaaaay better over time

overall rust is a really nice language

[summer willow]

compiling time is that big of deal?

[summer steeple]

when its like an hour yeah

[languid haven]

but is it as fast as C++ compile times or faster?

[potent wolf]

C++ compile times can be pretty bad too

[summer steeple]

idk its hard to find info because its just different

things that would be ok on c++ compilers are bad on rust compilers and potentially vice versa

from what i'm reading, the longer the dependancy graph is, the worse rust compile times get

[languid haven]

btw some scum bag said java is memory safe. but they don't even say which version cause i've had minecraft able to open browsers and attempt to launch an exe file for some servers having insane anti-cheat.

[potent wolf]

java is memory-safe

[summer steeple]

memory-safe != being unable to open stuff

[summer willow]

also i heard that the rust compiler does a lot of stuff comparing to i guess cpp compiler because all of the safe stuff, and that when gets to the LLVM it should be the same

[languid haven]

also java kinda has huge ram leaks on linux. idk why.

[potent wolf]

rust can actually generate better code

[languid haven]

and java has had RCEs before so i don't believe it's considered memory safe.

[summer steeple]

I mean not all RCEs come from memory safety

a lot do

[potent wolf]

XSS is a type of RCE

and that has absolutely nothing to do with memory safety

memory-safety vulnerabilities aren't the only kind of vulnerability in software, but C/C++ make it very easy to accidentally create these kinds of bugs. C#/Java/Rust/Swift/Python/JavaScript don't have these problems, because they're memory safe. That doesn't mean that code written in those languages doesn't have any bugs, it simply means that they won't have memory-safety related bugs.

[grim parcel]

yes a reddit commenter told me so

[grim parcel]

bold of you to assume flatpak provides a strong sandbox for literally any game

[left sand]

rust isnt even memory safe

[languid haven]

the whitehouse mentioning it makes me believe you.

[summer steeple]

i don't think they even mention any specific languages

[grim parcel]

they do in the report

[languid haven]

did they really link it but never read it?

[summer steeple]

I did read it and I clicked a few of the links too

but its spread out across like 10 different things

[languid haven]

that's fair

[summer steeple]

they had a segment in a pdf labelled "memory safe programming languages" and it doesn't name any programming languages lol

oh i see why i missed it, its mentioned offhandedly (and no other memory safe languages are) in the "memory safe hardware" section

[grim parcel]

yeah nsa went more in depth with actual examples

[misty plover]

I really disagree with Thor's assessment, an inbound connection from a malicious ip isn't really indicative of a trojan.

Especially not one from a VPS provider

There is a multitude of reasons for an inbound connection from a DO ip

Such as an automated port scanner

Aaaand here's Apex more or less confirming it was on their end 👍

[misty plover]

Don't get me wrong, Thor is infinitely more qualified than me in cybersec, he's a very intelligent guy, I think he's just assuming something that I don't think is proveable based off the information at hand in that virus total report

Bare minimum that is a lead to investigate however

[misty plover]

Oh I was right

Its an attempted bruteforcer

Identifies itself as zgrab

[misty plover]

Actually I'm pretty sure I have logs from attempted access from that IP

Let me check

[kind falcon]

underlords 7500$

[misty plover]

Forgot to check, but I don't

[crisp cedar]

have i posted b4nny gets turnt af yet

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/383927930641842186/1219808923247448124/MVZVJ2a.mp4?ex=660ca696&is=65fa3196&hm=90c81bfdb0c864d3de666ed2468f248369df887ecab2b91248d3b4bcef17e100&

i keep thinking about this video every now and then

[languid haven]

is b4nny ok? seriously i think he turned into the joker than got possessed

almost thought he was gonna regurgitate a baby demon from his mouth at the end.

[paper sluice]

Yeah

Or maybe Jane posted it

I just remember it being posted before

It’s so awesome

[next nymph]

gonna pay someone to do a demo review and send them this

[limpid panther]

holy shit

pay b4nny for a demo review and send that to him

[misty plover]

I have a clip somewhere of Habib throwing an absolute bitchfit and immediately ragequitting after they got snipped by my friend

[misty plover]

HOLY SHIT THE CHOKE AT 50 SECONDS->1:07

[radiant merlin]

UPDOot

for the 64 bits beta

[formal dew]

👀

be nice if steamdb showed beta diffs

[drowsy marlin]

what happened in the 64 bits beta

[mystic turtle]

usual valve (contractor) developement holdups

just wait, and "relax 'til then"

[drowsy marlin]

I want the heavy update. It's been 5 years. I'm tired of waiting.

[small siren]

*I want the heavy

update. It's been 5 years. I'm

tired of waiting.*

- fraklin

[mystic turtle]

I wish

but I already got used to it
for now, I'll just practice my DM skills and hope they can do fresh things like TF2C's AA cannon for Heavy or well-needed buffs (actually usable pomson/bison, increased damage needed to deplete BFB boost)

[broken haven]

play tf2c it funny

[drowsy marlin]

I hate TF2C's AA cannon

[broken haven]

play the custom weapons mod

[drowsy marlin]

the sound for it hurts my ears, constant high pitched whine

and it's a stupid weapon overall

[formal dew]

seems like contractor wasnt able to resume work on tf2 until a few days ago

[summer steeple]

weren't they on holiday

[formal dew]

perhaps

[mystic turtle]

alright
so I just saw a video about bhopping in TF2
and as a near full-time baby face's blaster main I wonder if it can provide marginal speed improvements
just curious

like, IK it won't be that powerful, TF2 has the worst bhop nerfs of Source

but it might help offset the initial speed penalty?

some folks say that apparently Scout's double jump stops this, but I'm not as sure, it might be a timing issue

[livid oracle]

you basically cant scrollwheel bhop as scout because of the double jump

[small siren]

*you basically cant

scrollwheel bhop as scout because

of the double jump*

- smartph0wned

[livid oracle]

bhopping is generally not worth it in tf2 imo

if it was you'd see everyone in comp matches do it constantly

[small siren]

*if it was you'd see

everyone in comp matches

do it constantly*

- smartph0wned

[livid oracle]

i do it just to give my fingers something to do

[next nymph]

i only see it for market gardeners

[livid oracle]

also on downwards slopes you get more airtime so you go a bit faster with little effort

[livid oracle]

yeah though of course theyre not doing it for speed

[cursive peak]

I've seen it possible to bhop as Pyro to get onto Steel E, similar with a jump from the overpass to that building beside 3rd on Badwater.

[mystic turtle]

I saw some footage of a spy jumping onto the 2fort bridge from battlements as well

the roof of the bridge*

hm, so it really only works for temporary tricks
like grounded air strike barrages or the usual trick of grounded market gardens

[left sand]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5515#issuecomment-2009620467

and passtime fixed

[summer steeple]

huge, its one of 24 issues to ever get marked as "next release"

[left sand]

and windows server fixed

[paper sluice]

Scroll wheel bhoppimg overrated

Just tap space

Ez

[left sand]

and glibc 2.31-2.37 fixed

[next nymph]

scroll wheel bhop means I can't ```
bind mwheelup +forward
bind mwheeldown +back

[small siren]

*scroll wheel bhop means I

can't ``` bind mwheelup +forward

bind mwheeldown +back ```*

- jarateking

[radiant merlin]

imagine being able to disable double jump

great for bfb enjoyers

[livid oracle]

winer

[spare obsidian]

it is hard to apply has a tf2 wiki contributor?

[radiant merlin]

no

just edit

even if you just fix a minor typo you would be a contributor

[mystic turtle]

this exactly, as one myself

[burnt dragon]

I believe last hotfix decreased its sounds

but yeah its a REALLY irritating weapon to fight against for 6/9 mercs

[languid haven]

The pan?

[surreal valley]

Can someone please explain to me how does the rocket jump script or keybind works?

Does it automatically look down and make you jump or smth?

[cursive peak]

Which one is it? A lot of them are just a crouchjump bind.

[surreal valley]

I dunno

Thats mostly what i have heard

[cursive peak]

Just put in the time to learn to rocket jump without a crutchy script.

[tough locust]

thank god

[tough locust]

probably just a script to get the crouch jumps right but you can learn to ctap in like 20 minutes it's pretty straightforward

[tough locust]

fr true beasts can land bhops without scrollwheel it's pretty strict on TF2 but other source games are lenient

[paper sluice]

Tf2 ain’t that bad either tbh
Csgo is more punishing

[small siren]

*Tf2 ain’t that

bad either tbh Csgo

is more punishing*

- skyrym

[surreal valley]

I just dont get how people rocket jump so high into the air

Like i do the c tap thingy but it doesnt make me go that high

[small siren]

*Like i do the c

tap thingy but it doesnt

make me go that high*

- rim52

[surreal valley]

Shut

[craggy ridge]

i kinda agree tbh

playing tf2 is in a way a lot like being pregnant

[summer steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1146476621302353990.gif?size=48&name=guh&quality=lossless

what did they mean by this

[paper sluice]

Just like being pregnant it can be hard to jump but if you time it right you can

[craggy ridge]

you are smart it's amazing

i would make a trophy with your dead skin cells if i could

[paper sluice]

☹️

[radiant merlin]

new blog post?

[cursive peak]

I don't see one?

[radiant merlin]

trolled by a bot

😭

unless it was inmediately deleted

[cursive peak]

March 13th for a news post, last year for a blog post

[summer steeple]

since i was poking around the tf2 website i found myself on the art page

at first i thought i hadn't been updated since like gun mettle, but it turns out it actually has been updated at the very least after JI

although its still missing stuff like the grill render

as a side note, I think i just realized why 99% of the time when I got to the tf2 website the visuals are broken

it seems like its doing some weird shit where if things like the facebook button doesn't load it just... stops loading

like its waiting forever

instead of just sending it all at once

[zealous pond]

What's wrong with it?

Isn't it something Heavy should have in vanilla TF2?

[drowsy marlin]

I hate the audio design of the weapon

and the gameplay is just meh. The TF2C design philosophy is to have weapons that contribute to a spam fest

plus heavy is like FF Tier in TF2C. He just gets spammed out all the time

[zealous pond]

That's why I don't play it.

[left sand]

the tf2c design philosophy is funny weapon to get people to log on

[drowsy marlin]

The tf2c design philosophy

[mystic turtle]

I mean, that's kind of the problem with weapon designs
part of the reason why balance is such a heated topic in the TF2 community is because no one man is happy with rebalances
and the amount of complaining Valve got from the playerbase led them to leave a lot of formerly busted weapons in the dust with no hope of fixes

[summer steeple]

tf2c is for people who reminice for the good ol days of tf2 when it was silly and not serious

[mystic turtle]

It was always kinda serious, it was just that players didn't know as much back in the day

A modern gibus wearing f2p with 250 hours could most likely do very well in a 2007 pub

[languid haven]

wouldn't removing everything but stock be the most competitive move?

[summer steeple]

i'm making fun of the people who complain about tf2's artstyle being too silly

[mystic turtle]

No, it's not really that IMO
I think it was moreso the willingness of the TF team to run with silly ideas somewhat seriously, or to put it another way, not put as much thought into balance
Think of how some weapons were quite weird at launch, like how the BFB was a shortstop with speed boost or how Valve was very willing to completely change up the formula and provide different niches, mainly through secondaries
Newer weapons more often fit into standard weapon usecases a lot of the time

Also the fact that stock weapons were considered to be a lot more interesting at the time
We've all seen a scattergun lord knows how many times, but back in '07 I can assume that it didn't get as stale

[mystic turtle]

wait, are we referring to people from team fortress classic being salty that their grungy Team Fortress was replaced by a cartoony kids game
or the folks complaining about how the workshop hats ruin the game's artstyle

[summer steeple]

the latter

[mystic turtle]

checks out

[unborn pecan]

ZestyPoopus

[jagged pawn]

queued up for valve comp a couple times today and it was surprisingly better than it used to be

have they made any changes to it or is it just natural selection of trolls not playing it anymore

[kind falcon]

whats your mmr

[jagged pawn]

(for context I haven't played it since blue moon so I have no clue anything that may have happened in the last 5 years)

[kind falcon]

im guessing its luck and people playing less

[jagged pawn]

contract killer 3

yeah maybe

(part of why I'm contract killer 3 is that I played most of my placement matches 5 years ago lol, I got to 10 wins today)

[kind falcon]

you better find the exact number

and not the rank

[jagged pawn]

I am not booting the game back up bro

[kind falcon]

https://steamcommunity.com/me/gcpd/440/

[jagged pawn]

that just sent me to the main site

[kind falcon]

fuark

go into your games > tf2 personal game data

[jagged pawn]

found it

[kind falcon]

why does me no longer work

what the flip

[jagged pawn]

no clue which is the right one

[kind falcon]

third

[jagged pawn]

what is legacy competitive btw, like pre blue moon?

[kind falcon]

congrats bro its a wonder youre even getting matches at that mmr

[jagged pawn]

I was queueing duos idk if that helps

[kind falcon]

mayhaps

[kind falcon]

i hadnt been born when blue moon released. i dont know nothing

[jagged pawn]

I see, happy 5th birthday

[kind falcon]

thank you bro

[cursive peak]

At a local con. Already spotted a Soldier.

[drowsy marlin]

https://youtu.be/4eTnG_RlOns

[hidden gyro]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5578

F

[kind falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/921897702130847805/1188505414153801728/reconsider.gif

[hidden gyro]

G?

[kind falcon]

why f

[hidden gyro]

Because I have all my F keys rebound except that one

and they're on my mouse

I should really unbind that menu since it's not useful

Since it's now a "crash game" button

[kind falcon]

i do not understand how that has to do anything with anything

you have fun with your moba mouse..

[burnt dragon]

I mean extra weapons isnt an official mod I think, base game has just some extras with same stock weapons...

I still think AAgun S U C K S

latest hotfix kinda debuffed it but its still too op

rest of the game feels more fun for most classes except soldier

and pyro

no death ringer makes the game so much better

[left sand]

AA gun was a custom weapon at first

also afaik custom weapon servers are officially handled by the client

[burnt dragon]

yes, their biggest mistake was adding that weapon to default server

slows down the enemy, gives mini crits if enemy is on air

literally 2 shots any scouts

[kind falcon]

riddle me this hector

what weapon doesn’t two shot a scout

[crisp cedar]

pistol

revolver? (fact check this)

[kind falcon]

my revolver always crits

[next nymph]

fan o war

[paper sluice]

Stock melee(?)

Short circuit

PDA

Flamethrower

Minigun

Sandvich

Syringe gun

Sniper rifle uncharged body shot

Smg

[grim parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/last-chance-to-look-at-me-hector-breaking-bad-hector-hector-salamanca-gustavo-fring-gif-26722483

[unborn pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/panko-cat-pankocat-fatfatpankocat-pet-gif-228857265189960783

[tough locust]

smg

[jagged pawn]

uhhhhhhh did a new update break tf2 on linux? it's not launching today despite it working fine yesterday and me not doing anything

it's def not tcmalloc bc the game gets stuck booting as opposed to crashing

[stuck locust]

i was able to launch

so something on your system

[jagged pawn]

sadge

[stuck locust]

try restarting your computer if you haven't already

[jagged pawn]

reboot helped, still have no idea what the issue was

reason I didn't reboot to begin with is bc I had a comp match and was trying to get it fixed quickly. ended up finding a ringer

[unborn pecan]

yes I ate your files

😋

[jagged pawn]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[unborn pecan]

mmmmm

libSDL2.so

[zealous pond]

That sounds fine to me.

[stuck locust]

yeah that happens to me occasionally too

seems as though my drives are slower on certain boots, and it can cause tf2 to take 3-5 minutes to boot (if it does at all)

but a restart normally fixes it

[jagged pawn]

hate it here

[stuck locust]

ooc do you have tf2 on an hdd?

[jagged pawn]

no

ssd

[radiant merlin]

is there a way to change video settings ingame with mcomfig?

[stuck locust]

you can instantly apply modules by using the _ variant

e.g. lod_high

[radiant merlin]

huh

oh i see

the antialiasing one is disabled

what's the best video setting to reduce for 100 players?

[languid haven]

textures mostly

turning off mipmaps would help

[summer steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1146476621302353990.gif?size=48&name=guh&quality=lossless

mipmaps are there to help performance

unless you're running out of ram there's literally 0 reason to disable them

[languid haven]

does 100 players all use the same texas or does it duplicate them for every player? idk which cause some games are just really badly optimized beyond repair.

[summer steeple]

there's only one red soldier texture, one red scout texture, etc.

the game only needs to load it once

then it can re-use it

textures in like 99% of games should not cause any performance issues

the only way it would is if you're using too high quality for your VRAM to handle

[left sand]

only engineer uses texas

not soldier or scout

[slender nexus]

dont boston my texas

[broken haven]

texas

[radiant merlin]

i believe antialiasing

lod doesn't affect fps

at least for me

[surreal valley]

Maxing antialiasing actually improved my fps

[paper sluice]

what the fuck

[surreal valley]

No idea

Maybe because i got a powerful pc and having it low was bottlenecking it or smth

[radiant merlin]

me when i fucking lie

[summer steeple]

did you actually benchmark it or is it "i think my fps is higher now :)"

[radiant merlin]

yes

[tough locust]

the placebo effect hits hard when ur trying out any video setting sstuff in TF2 because the framerate is constantly going all over the place

[drowsy marlin]

Playing TF2 definitely generates frames for me

[potent wolf]

but how many? i have 2

[kind falcon]

thanks to mastercoms and the config, i have 360

[grim parcel]

i think you mean comfig

[left sand]

thimk*
meam*

[paper sluice]

Thank

[summer steeple]

i thimk you meam thamk

[paper sluice]

Oh

Thamks for the correctiom

[potent wolf]

branch update, whats new?

[kind falcon]

more pasted code

[potent wolf]

awesome

[kind falcon]

oh wait you mean tf2

[misty plover]

I really like my silly character that breaks font alignment

[broken haven]

pibby glitch

[heavy solar]

@livid oracle has leveled up! (48 ➜ 49)

[languid haven]

show me

[misty plover]

Its in the screenshot

[jagged pawn]

how the fuck do you view pins on mobile now

why do they keep destroying this site

(I know I can click see all but I mean if that message wasn't there and I wanted to open it via menu)

[hoary geyser]

it seems to be under post settings

for some reason

[jagged pawn]

oh my god it is

[drowsy marlin]

Thats why I never update my mobile

[grim parcel]

they’ll probably fix it eventually

i mean it’s literally in a pretty obvious place for normal channels

[hoary geyser]

It's under settings as well for channels, but I guess it's because threads lack the tabs in the side menu

[radiant merlin]

god himself has spoken

[jagged pawn]

what bug is this

nvm found it's for haarp hud issues https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5576

[radiant merlin]

haarp more like midrp

only nostalgia tf2c/prefortress players like it

[jagged pawn]

it's so good

more hybrid modes please valve

[jagged pawn]

BANGER ALERT https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1470879169

[hoary geyser]

more like what

[livid oracle]

bloodcow

[languid haven]

Meh looks like it favors soldier the most which isn't good for tf2. 2nd is sniper. 3rd is scout. it's so wide open that demoknights would be easy picks for anyone even with ramps and a speed advantage.

[jagged pawn]

bro lmao

it's a port of a quake map of course it favors soldier and sniper

[small siren]

*it's a port of a

quake map of course it favors

soldier and sniper*

- grapevine

[broken thistle]

whats with the haiku bot

[jagged pawn]

it's for haikus

[broken thistle]

they're terrible

[jagged pawn]

anyway I just think it's cool to see stuff like this. I love the idea of seeing how different games can interact with the same map

also wait I don't want to dunk too hard but the implication that any map other than degroot keep should have to try to balance around demoknights is hysterical

[hoary geyser]

Do not insult HaikuBot (Warning 1/3)

[livid oracle]

i think maps shouldn't be balanced for demoknights

[languid haven]

yeah but the reason i'm ranking scout about demoknight and pyro is his mobility. sure sniper can mostly one shot but if feels more like 4D rock paper scissors

ya know where heavies are worthless, demoman is a liabilty, pyro is pointless and spy is...spy.

idk why i had a dream where you could play scoutt with the cloak and dagger but it was bugged as in the hud models didn't do a cloak look when you were.

[jagged pawn]

so you played randomizer

[languid haven]

scouts cant useit in randomizer

[mystic turtle]

Scout further learning the arts of his father

[summer steeple]

wtf a ton of the non-solid props in merc park are only visible on dx9

like all the pipes

[unborn pecan]

I ate thr light

[high current]

Man they need to post better screenshots of the map. I’m at work so I can’t watch the video, and from the screenshots idk what’s going on in the map.
Reminds me of cp_fastlane a bit though. Kinda looks like old tf2 and quake maps, which I guess is just oldER tf2.

[jagged pawn]

if you've played quake 3 or champions then you've already seen the map

I agree the screenshots are kinda bad tho

[high current]

Oh if it’s that one map that 90% of servers in quake play then ehhh. Unless it’s literally just an arena map

If they tried to morph it into an objective map then imo it’s trying to force it into something it isn’t. Which usually doesn’t work great. Example being koth_sujin being an objectively inferior map to arena_sujin. Not to hate on sujin, it’s just it was made for arena and then they added a cap point so it’d actually get added to the game.

[jagged pawn]

it's just a dm map yeah

[jagged pawn]

WAIT THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE

I ALWAYS WONDERED WHY IT IS THE WAY IT IS

it absolutely would work better as an arena map I agree

[high current]

I feel like releasing a dm/arena map is still kinda doomed to not make it into the game. Kinda hard to judge with vscript being the new rage, but it seems like valve still wants arena to die

Something that’d be interesting though, would be vscript arena respawn.

[small siren]

*Something that’d be

interesting though, would be vscript

arena respawn.*

- peachestv

[high current]

Haiku bot needs some work man. That sentence structure is more broken than pyro airblast mechanics.

[jagged pawn]

the only thing it got wrong was thinking vscript was one syllable

anyway I don't know why you're coming at this from the perspective that the only reason to make a map is to get it added to casual

there are so many other reasons to make a map

[high current]

More so coming from a place of I haven’t seen a community arena server alive and running anything other than freak fortress in like a decade

[tough locust]

idk arena perks was honestly my favorite map in scream fortress last year, I could never see regular arena mode making a comeback tho just because it's legitimately a bad gamemode. Obviously Perks is a scream fortress map so it's a gimmick but stacking perks to try and get a better setup than the other team was the most genius way to revive that mode. Would love to see that concept ported over to the regular arena maps

[jagged pawn]

perks was soooo good

I like the idea of arena becoming a testing ground for stuff like graveyard and perks

I just wish that didn't mean it was stuck on scream fortress

[mystic turtle]

Wait, hold out
Maybe this map could be good for player destruction?
From the discussion earlier I noted Valve is biased against Arena
And they added Galleria and Selbyen in past updates
IDK, the layout might prevent it, especially if there's no good central nexus where pickups can be delivered
After all PD gets slept on too much to the point where people play 2fort and other CTF maps as deathmatch maps

[jagged pawn]

valve add pd_2fort and pd_hightower please they're both on workshop already

I want to play hightower as an actual plr map but it's literally not possible bc no one else does it

[mystic turtle]

True

The only thing lost in PD 2fort anyway is intel spam

[zealous pond]

Why would you play the objective on Hightower?