windows mode basically
#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year
spare obsidian
radiant merlin
damn
spare obsidian
append -vulkan and run x64 edition
slender nexus
Michaelsoft Binbows
tough locust
mis-mis-mis-mis-mission begins in 10 seconds
radiant merlin
now it simply doesn't play any sound
tough locust
tragic seems like the sound system is different because it was freaking out with a million async errors
cant you use -windowed
spare obsidian
its the same basically
tough locust
I'm using windowed borderless and it's not crashing, are u nvidia or amd or intel
spare obsidian
I'm using windowed borderless and it's not crashing, are u nvidia or amd or inte...
intel
tough locust
isn't -sw software?
nah i mpretty sure it's just changed to start windowed, i dont even think source has a software renderer that u can access, closest thing is maybe -mat_softwaretl
radiant merlin
are your drivers updated?
spare obsidian
yes literally
tough locust
goodbye .bik 
radiant merlin
nice
grim parcel
yes we'll need to switch to vusaline or back to cowmanglia
craggy ridge
yes we'll need to switch to vusaline or back to cowmanglia
i already perma use cowmanglia so np
grim parcel
im still on chris'
unborn pecan
yes we'll need to switch to vusaline or back to cowmanglia
b4nny config is going to be the most performant
there is more than max or average fps
you got that 1% lows
and how stable the frame time is
limpid panther
lol
potent wolf
erm
potent wolf
i can't believe joshie is there too
congratulations! you win!
spare obsidian
the death internet theory every day looks real
tough locust
the death internet theory every day looks real
half of twitter is bot comments i see some bot comments on reddit too that are almost convincing but they're too generic to be written by real hands
tough locust
im still on chris'
thats crazy that config is prolly 12 years old by now
potent wolf
nvm im not funny
jagged pawn
wait that's hype fuck .bik
unborn pecan
shoe
😭
I HATE HIM I H ATE HIM I HATE HINM
grapvine has me blocked
@jagged pawn https://www.radgametools.com/bnkmain.htm
This is bink
proprietary ( 🤮 ) video codec/standard whatever used in lots of older game engines
I think due to lots of cross platform support
or whatever
potent wolf
proprietary ( 🤮 ) video codec/standard whatever used in lots of older game engi...
tf2 is proprietary
🤮
jagged pawn
proprietary ( 🤮 ) video codec/standard whatever used in lots of older game engi...
cringe!!!!
jagged pawn
tf2 is proprietary
well the current build is anyway 
tough locust
how do i launch the 64 bit dedicated server on windows? it just gives some launcher error but the 32 bit version works
unborn pecan
I LOVE VULKAN
rare creek
smh valve DECREASIGNG fps
spare obsidian
be quiet.
green tulip
- Valve isn't making this update.
- It's not a native Vulkan renderer it's DXVK which is a wrapper and the only real use for it being intagrated into Source directly is for use with native Linux binaries to switch out Valve's old in-house DX to OpenGL wrapper however on Windows you could have ran the game with DXVK wayyy before this new beta/update and gotten pretty much the same results as what's being achieved currently.
- One of the main benefits of Bink is fast decoding times and I suspect that the new WebM videos are a giant waste of CPU power compared to the old Bink videos.
limpid panther
what did you use as load?
formal dew
a valve contractor is making this update
unborn pecan
1. Valve isn't making this update.
2. It's not a native Vulkan renderer it's DXV...
bink videos also look like ass....
and are NOT FOSS
formal dew
foss is socialism
green tulip
bink videos also look like ass....
are the new WebM videos converted from the source files or converted from bink?
unborn pecan
foss is socialism
of course joe biden would say that......
green tulip
if they are just converts from the Bink versions then they can't and won't be higher quality
unborn pecan
Bidenalis
unborn pecan
if they are just converts from the Bink versions then they can't and won't be hi...
I am sure valve has the source files
green tulip
thing is Valve is weird with their assets and like I said before they aren't really making this update
paper sluice
i mean they got the original source files for everything ever probably since they have perforce
just depends if someone cares enough to go back into that or even has access to it https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1150663885637038101.webp?size=48&name=hiyagangy&quality=lossless
green tulip
they probably won't load the tape backups just for this and iirc a few years ago Valve lost a bunch of stuff and had to ask around to get their stuff back from other people
unborn pecan
never heard anything about that
green tulip
whenever I end up having the new update installed/downloaded ill probably take a close look at the WebMs to check if they are converted from the old Binks
radiant merlin
thing is Valve is weird with their assets and like I said before they aren't rea...
pretty sure that is partly due to limitations, but the poor quality fits the old 60's footage quality
tough locust
1. Valve isn't making this update.
2. It's not a native Vulkan renderer it's DXV...
downside of bik videos is insanely large filesize
summer steeple
bik is SHIT
out of curiosity did mac and linux ever get the zombie infection intro videos
cause not having the same video format for every platform is a good reason to swap to webm
left sand
bik is a great format
summer steeple
bik2 or bik
left sand
bik2 or bik
bik2
livid oracle
it doesnt play at the same time
crisp cedar
tf2 is saved
left sand
it doesnt play at the same time
it takes webm 500000000 seconds to decode the pixel data
crisp cedar
bik is great ill die on this hill
green tulip
uhhh are the colors and gamma right? they are different between both of the videos in that comparison
summer steeple
bik2
yeah i don't really have as much of a problem with bik2
but og bik sux
altho thats kinda just technology evolving i guess
radiant merlin
crisp cedar
i thought fuck yea at first but really
they didnt even tr
y
why is the speedrun l4d tank there
mystic turtle
why is the speedrun l4d tank there
isn't this basically a mild Sunset/HypnotizeHUD reskin
it kinda rubs me that way
crisp cedar
idk looks bad though
mystic turtle
yea
just tacking on the fact that it feels kinda like a simple reskin
summer willow
when gnome hud
spare obsidian
for now
potent wolf
https://vxtwitter.com/beat_crazey/status/1756137577239937192
its using ffmpeg and they didn't enable all the random codecs
small sirenBOT
potent wolf
unfortunately
radiant merlin
https://vxtwitter.com/beat_crazey/status/1756137577239937192
2010 lol
green tulip
its using ffmpeg and they didn't enable all the random codecs
darn I would have loved to use Samsung security camera footage
limpid panther
in this new beta, does anybody know how to select the 64bit option when launching the game through the steam command?
if I launch the game through that it always uses the first option "Play Team Fortress 2" even if I set it to use the 64bit one through steam
potent wolf
you can just launch the game directly, is there any reason you need to launch it through steam?
limpid panther
you can just launch the game directly, is there any reason you need to launch it...
FATAL: It appears tf was not launched within the Steam for Linux sniper runtime environment.
FATAL: Please consult documentation to ensure correct configuration, aborting.
are you running it through the runtime?
limpid panther
are you running it through the runtime?
no, I just ran tf.sh directly
I will have to look into how to run things through the runtime properly
potent wolf
one sec i have a commandline that works
@limpid panther ../../../ubuntu12_32/steam-runtime/run.sh ../SteamLinuxRuntime_sniper/run -- ./tf.sh -game tf -steam
grim parcel
you’re missing env vars i think
ah that was scout
i swear there was something for sniper though? maybe im thinking of using proton with it too idk
limpid panther
you’re missing env vars i think
actually pv-bwrap and pressure-vessel-adverb end up being launched with slightly different launch options
lol message is too long
this is what steam launches
/home/rafael/Games/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/SteamLinuxRuntime_sniper/pressure-vessel/bin/pv-bwrap --args 28 /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/from-host/bin/pressure-vessel-adverb --generate-locales --fd 18 --regenerate-ld.so-cache /var/pressure-vessel/ldso --add-ld.so-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu --add-ld.so-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/i386-linux-gnu --set-ld-library-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/aliases:/usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/i386-linux-gnu/aliases --overrides-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides --exit-with-parent --subreaper --assign-fd=1=6 --assign-fd=2=7 --shell=none --terminal=none --ld-preload=/home/rafael/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so --ld-preload=/home/rafael/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/gameoverlayrenderer.so -- /home/rafael/Games/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/SteamLinuxRuntime_sniper/pressure-vessel/bin/steam-runtime-launcher-interface-0 container-runtime /home/rafael/Games/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/Team Fortress 2/tf.sh -steam
/usr/lib/pressure-vessel/from-host/bin/pressure-vessel-adverb --generate-locales --fd 18 --regenerate-ld.so-cache /var/pressure-vessel/ldso --add-ld.so-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu --add-ld.so-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/i386-linux-gnu --set-ld-library-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/aliases:/usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/i386-linux-gnu/aliases --overrides-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides --exit-with-parent --subreaper --assign-fd=1=6 --assign-fd=2=7 --shell=none --terminal=none --ld-preload=/home/rafael/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so --ld-preload=/home/rafael/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/gameoverlayrenderer.so -- /home/rafael/Games/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/SteamLinuxRuntime_sniper/pressure-vessel/bin/steam-runtime-launcher-interface-0 container-runtime /home/rafael/Games/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/Team Fortress 2/tf.sh -steam
this is what @potent wolf 's command launches:
/home/rafael/Games/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/SteamLinuxRuntime_sniper/pressure-vessel/bin/pv-bwrap --args 20 /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/from-host/bin/pressure-vessel-adverb --generate-locales --fd 10 --regenerate-ld.so-cache /var/pressure-vessel/ldso --add-ld.so-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu --add-ld.so-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/i386-linux-gnu --set-ld-library-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/aliases:/usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/i386-linux-gnu/aliases --overrides-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides --exit-with-parent --subreaper --assign-fd=1=3 --assign-fd=2=4 --shell=none --terminal=none -- /home/rafael/Games/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/Team Fortress 2/tf.sh -game tf -steam
/usr/lib/pressure-vessel/from-host/bin/pressure-vessel-adverb --generate-locales --fd 10 --regenerate-ld.so-cache /var/pressure-vessel/ldso --add-ld.so-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu --add-ld.so-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/i386-linux-gnu --set-ld-library-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/aliases:/usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides/lib/i386-linux-gnu/aliases --overrides-path /usr/lib/pressure-vessel/overrides --exit-with-parent --subreaper --assign-fd=1=3 --assign-fd=2=4 --shell=none --terminal=none -- /home/rafael/Games/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/Team Fortress 2/tf.sh -game tf -steam
basically they are missing --ld-preload=/home/rafael/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/gameoverlayrenderer.so --ld-preload=/home/rafael/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/gameoverlayrenderer.so respectively
actually, there is more missing...
unborn pecan
I hate containers....
grim parcel
use a better os that isn’t fragmented into oblivion then noob
grim parcel
im sorry hurripoo
void slate
Does anyone know if they fixed the fps_max inaccuracy in the 64bit branch?
limpid panther
actually, there is more missing...
yea, there is a large amount of environment variables missing
small sirenBOT
rare creek
this is why linux bad 👎 and windows good 💪
opaque trench
in this new beta, does anybody know how to select the 64bit option when launchin...
Does steam 'steam://launch/440/frogemoji/1' work?
green tulip
I compared the Bink intro with the new WebM one and
Bink version = 1024x768 at 23.980 fps
WebM version = 1440x1080 at 30.000 fps
slender nexus
I compared the Bink intro with the new WebM one and
Bink version = 1024x768 at ...
doze it have more fanum and rizz
tough locust
Is the windows 64 bit tf2 dedicated server still not working yet?
tough locust
I compared the Bink intro with the new WebM one and
Bink version = 1024x768 at ...
wonder if the frame pacing is slightly jumpy because of how it's recompiled, prolly isnt using the original files
lusty ice
Is the windows 64 bit tf2 dedicated server still not working yet?
No it isn't.
limpid panther
Does `steam 'steam://launch/440/frogemoji/1'` work?
IT DOES?!?!?
WHAT
Yesteday I was like: haha, nice joke. But then today I tried it just for the kicks and it works
potent wolf
WHAT
grim parcel
coarse spruce
try replacing frogemoji with something else, does it still work? (I can't find such string anywhere in the files)
limpid panther
and steam 'steam://launch/440/frogemoji/0'opens the "Play Team Fortress 2" option, which is currently broken since it tries to launch hl2.sh
grim parcel
could be the branch name?
coarse spruce
Nah, branch name is x64_test
limpid panther
no, anything there works, it seems
coarse spruce
no, anything there works, it seems
ha, knew it
limpid panther
steam 'steam://launch/440/thanksjoshie/1' works, for example
grim parcel
huh
limpid panther
huh
yea, I saw that yesteday and thought it was refeering to the functionality of specifying game launch options in the link
that was disabled a few years back because of the security implications
seems that misunderstood "launch option" with "launch options"
limpid panther
where one is the little dialog box and the other is the stuff passed to the game
thanks @opaque trench !
yea, seems like this doesn't allow me to set launch options for the game though
potent wolf
oof
i love locales
i used to get this error but i'm not getting it anymore
at least on the 64bit branch, i haven't tested public
limpid panther
the problem isn't even the error
potent wolf
it's that its blocking, right?
limpid panther
it's there being a window I need to click OK on befoe the game loads
unborn pecan
I compared the Bink intro with the new WebM one and
Bink version = 1024x768 at ...
webm superior?
potent wolf
vdc probably
grim parcel
fastest link in the west
limpid panther
IT WORKS!
potent wolf
WTF
limpid panther
FINAL COMMAND IS SteamEnv=1 /home/rafael/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/reaper SteamLaunch AppId=440 -- /home/rafael/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam-launch-wrapper -- '/home/rafael/Games/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/SteamLinuxRuntime_sniper'/_v2-entry-point --verb=waitforexitandrun -- '/home/rafael/Games/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/Team Fortress 2/tf.sh' -steam\0
you will need to replace the paths if you wanna use it, of course
tough locust
No it isn't.
tragic
potent wolf
you will need to replace the paths if you wanna use it, of course
i'll just link my paths to be the same as yours
limpid panther
i'll just link my paths to be the same as yours <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
but whyyyy that is so dirty
potent wolf
grim parcel
FINAL COMMAND IS `SteamEnv=1 /home/rafael/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/reaper ...
i swear it wasn't this hard when i was launching portal outside of steam 😭
potent wolf
ship your entire system as a container
potent wolf
i swear it wasn't this hard when i was launching portal outside of steam 😭
do you get the locale message as well?
limpid panther
i swear it wasn't this hard when i was launching portal outside of steam 😭
I think it's just because I use a PT-BR locale
fuck mm/dd/yyyy. All my homies hate mm/dd/yyyy
potent wolf
I think it's just because I use a PT-BR locale
the weird thing is that i used to get that message
and i was using en_US.UTF-8
grim parcel
do you get the locale message as well?
nope
limpid panther
🤷
potent wolf
actually it should be more broken for me now
grim parcel
fuck mm/dd/yyyy. All my homies hate mm/dd/yyyy
jumpscare
potent wolf
:(
grim parcel
ship your entire system as a container
potent wolf
:)
grim parcel
why would my clock be in military time im not a soldier
grim parcel
limpid panther
why would my clock be in military time im not a soldier
lol do people actually call it military time?
cursive peak
It's common in the US at least.
limpid panther
shit, I fogot I need a new demo file to serve as load repesenting a casual match
imma go ahead and play until I get a good game on switfwater or something
left sand
Does anyone know if they fixed the fps_max inaccuracy in the 64bit branch?
they didnt
left sand
I compared the Bink intro with the new WebM one and
Bink version = 1024x768 at ...
yeah the intro is encoded from source
@limpid panther id recommend to temporarily set the launch option in steam app config files
left sand
yeah the intro is encoded from source
there are some other videos encoded from source too
potent wolf
which ones are from source and which ones were reencoded?
unborn pecan
FINAL COMMAND IS `SteamEnv=1 /home/rafael/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/reaper ...
pin this
limpid panther
<@132103076269129728> id recommend to temporarily set the launch option in steam...
I wanted to avoid doing that so I don't have to deal with corrupted files, or the tool crashing and not putting the user's launch options back where they were or stuff like that
but I guess it's no use...
left sand
step 1. backup the file in case the os dies
step 2. scope the file revert as an exit condition
in python, use finally
vague hull
I know this has probably been asked before but uhh
what’s the correct way to change your mastercomfig preset? Like going from ultra to high for example.
stuck locust
I know this has probably been asked before but uhh
what’s the correct way to cha...
there are two ways you can do this:
- remove the current preset
.vpkfile and download the new one - create a
pre_comfig.cfgfile within youroverridesfolder and put apreset=preset-namecommand within it (should be noted that once the command is removed, your preset will return back to default)
vague hull
Thanks, I just wanted to make sure there weren’t any extra required steps for cleanup and whatnot
stuck locust
nope, no clean-up required as the only difference between the presets (excluding the very-low preset) is what modules are set
formal dew
someone on github wanting the folder and exe to be changed to tf2
jagged pawn
lmao
yeah of course they won't
exactly as he said, would break everything for no reason
summer steeple
changing from hl2.exe to tf.exe already will break stuff
formal dew
you shouldnt be able to be on github unless you have at least a bachelors or certificate in computer science
unborn pecan
ashe and atomictem are beefing
formal dew
hopefully the driver vendors get notification to update drivers
unborn pecan
I will blow up valve's servers
potent wolf
valve issue trackers are not good for your heatlh
unborn pecan
valve issue trackers are not good for your heatlh
so true
grim parcel
you shouldnt be able to be on github unless you have at least a bachelors or cer...
github would go out of business
formal dew
you can have an account but cant post to the issue forums
bring back absurd gatekeeping forums
limpid panther
step 1. backup the file in case the os dies
step 2. scope the file revert as an ...
steam overwrites the vdf file whenever I launch the game 😭
replacing the launch options with the ones on cache
meaning I can't change launch options this way without closing steam, modifying the file, then launching steam again
I'm looking for a cache file that contains the old info that steam overwrites the file with but it may very well just be in memory somewhere and not in a file
void slate
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5486 It was indeed because the game mod is tf, and changing it to tf2 would be a lot work and break things that would then need to be fixed.
coarse spruce
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5486 It was indeed becaus...
Yeah I guess that makes sense
void slate
Yeah I guess that makes sense
tf.exe is still better then hl2.exe
coarse spruce
Yeah, that is true tbh. But as mentioned before, there might be some effects due to nvidias proprietary drivers enabling certain game-specific optimizations/features based on the executable name
Even mesa on linux sets mesa_glthread_app_profile=1 for hl2_linux executable name
void slate
Yeah, that is true tbh. But as mentioned before, there might be some effects due...
Yes, plus nvidia's drivers are oooollld
Maybe with this they'll finally update the hardware detection and reccommended setting in Geforce Experience.
summer willow
Even `mesa` on linux sets `mesa_glthread_app_profile=1` for `hl2_linux` executab...
well, this is really easy to change and this is for opengl, the vulkan backend wont change with this
spare obsidian
Yeah, that is true tbh. But as mentioned before, there might be some effects due...
this is only a problem if you're running granny level hardware at that point, upgrade lol
kind falcon
hl2.exe haters
potent wolf
emoji debugging commands
summer steeple
i wonder if those commands exist on windows and just don't render or what
i'm too lazy to download the beta and check
potent wolf
no frogs for you
spare obsidian
Someone sold their dog for a tf2 hat https://backpack.tf/suggestion/65c3f7fe924d0031ac0e1478
https://vxtwitter.com/SirDapper/status/1757110406982578200
next nymph
lowballed
summer steeple
bruh
spare obsidian
that0s literally animal trafficking
even if was real or no that dude is cocked by the law now lol
formal dew
when is TF2 getting the color coded console strings from portal 2 and csgo
radiant merlin
i wonder if those commands exist on windows and just don't render or what
damn
radiant merlin
when is TF2 getting the color coded console strings from portal 2 and csgo
we already got some
this was red before
formal dew
damn
spare obsidian
Someone sold their dog for a tf2 hat https://backpack.tf/suggestion/65c3f7fe924d...
bro is so cocked
summer steeple
dude too busy eying tf2 pixels to pay for dog food
spare obsidian
dude said he shouldn't be selling his dog because that's bad, but accepts the offert?
this bro just admit to a criminal act in a public forum
small sirenBOT
spare obsidian
literally cooked
spare obsidian
you can't said you're going to make a criminnal act and say is a joke
that's not how law works
crisp cedar
well
next nymph
this bro just admit to a criminal act in a public forum
im pretty sure animal trafficking is only for protected wildlife, you absolutely can sell pets in everywhere I'm aware of
crisp cedar
u can, actually
spare obsidian
see the "bomb thread in minecraft" incident
spare obsidian
at least you showed proof its fake?
radiant merlin
i suggested that a future feature could be sound operators but ficool said that it would be pointless
idk why
summer steeple
oh boy shounic video on 64 bit tf2
for some reason when talking about benchmarks he talks about GPUs and their age instead of CPUs
and also at the end has some weird sidenote about how x64 tf2 has bigger fps improvements than other x64 source engine ports, which like... yeah... its not just an x64 update there's other improvements you NIMROD
LITERALLY FACTUALLY INCORRECT
formal dew
valve paid him to lie to ensure low expectations
so that the masses will be surprised that windows vulkan is real
summer steeple
the thing is the he mostly focused on windows
so its the other way around
paid to lie about linux improvements
tough locust
that0s literally animal trafficking
u can go to jail for selling your dog? would never sell my dogs but my family bought a 2 year-old lab from someone once for $100 what country is that illegal
frosty crow
and also at the end has some weird sidenote about how x64 tf2 has bigger fps imp...
Also why does Shounic call SSE2 a compiler? 💀
formal dew
the ultimate argument is that hes dumbing it down for normies
i say ultimate argument because its unfalsifiable
summer steeple
i think he even said he "rewrote the script 3 times" and yet still got so much shit wrong
limpid panther
I'm looking for a cache file that contains the old info that steam overwrites th...
Couldn't find anything... If anybody know of a interface that lets me set a game's launch options freely (just like in the Steam's UI field) let me know
looked though steam api and also Steam Client console commands
frosty crow
the ultimate argument is that hes dumbing it down for normies
What would be factual and easier to understand: calling it a compiler, or a set of instructions?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
frosty crow
i think he even said he "rewrote the script 3 times" and yet still got so much s...
Buddy probably was rushing to get the scoop and edit the video and made a load of mistakes in fields that he's not knowledgeable enough
summer steeple
what scoop though, as he even mentions in the video, this branch has been available since january
in fact i think tyler mcvicker already did a video on it and thats where like 90% of people get tf2 news from
formal dew
shounic also known as neil degrasse tyson
unborn pecan
Also why does Shounic call SSE2 a compiler? 💀
Shounic is stupid
Unironically stupid
cursive peak
left sand
in fact i think tyler mcvicker already did a video on it and thats where like 90...
considering how many people just found out today...
summer steeple
you know, fair enough
jagged pawn
the number of servers I'm in where people are out of nowhere hyped for it suggests that everyone is finding out for the first time through shounic yeah
obv anecdotal but like. it's everywhere lol
unborn pecan
😭
I hate shounic
I hate tyler mcstinker
Every valve news youtuber needs to be destroyed
formal dew
pick up the mantle
glass musk
can TF2 just die already
real talk
maybe I'm just being extra negative cuz I just woke up from a shitty dream
mystic turtle
nobody cares about linux
exactly, people don't have time or braincells for that stuff
If it ain't broke don't fix it
glass musk
glad I'm not the average Windows normie
mystic turtle
same
glass musk
summer willow
linux is cool
mystic turtle
Yup
unfortunately, I've come to the conclusion that the "year of the linux desktop" is a pipe dream that will only come once the world's population of brainlets can actually grow some more neurons
Oh, or if Microsoft makes a big oopsie
runic dew
it is currently the year of the linux desktop because i use linux and i'm the only person who matters
summer willow
i dont think the year of linux is when we are gonna have 1 bazillions users out of nothing but the advances we're making as platform, which is being very good so i consider this the decade of linux
mystic turtle
exactly
we already just made a great leap forward with pipewire
now it's just Wayland
potent wolf
it will be the year of the linux desktop when users don't know what a linux is
summer willow
theres a lot more than wayland, wayland is being good so far and is just a tiny piece
mystic turtle
Anything else
Not to be contrarian, just asking
glass musk
i dont think the year of linux is when we are gonna have 1 bazillions users out ...
I can't wait for Fedora 40
it'll be so good
🤤
Plasma 6 soon..
potent wolf
you shouldn't have to to use a terminal to use linux
thats a pretty big one
driver support
everything supports windows
microsoft office
glass musk
Wine will just keep getting better and driver support is on NVIDIA I guess
potent wolf
Wine will just keep getting better and driver support is on NVIDIA I guess
gpus aren't the only piece of hardware
glass musk
I mean I'm not a content creator so I don't need to use shit like GoXLR
the stuff that the average guy uses should work ootb
left sand
there is no such thing as the average guy
potent wolf
snaps!?
left sand
the average is a range of things you need to support
summer willow
Anything else
Not to be contrarian, just asking
flatpak needs a lot of improvement that is being made, a lot and a lot works in portals, a bunch of things when you think of specific DE, how to make a distro that is not just a bunch of mess, immutable distros is very cool, one that i heard much about linux is making ABI/API stable this just in the desktop space that already has a lot of things
potent wolf
or should i use pacman, apt, dnf, whatever
left sand
linux is still a toy project in many senses
potent wolf
whats a distro
summer willow
flatpak is really good but theres improvements to be made for more programs and to companies use
glass musk
linux is still a toy project in many senses
to be honest half of the time Windows feels like a toy project with its shitty UI inconsistencies
main reason why I'm ditching Windows in the first place
left sand
not really, windows has actual value driven incentives for product direction and it's largely unified
mystic turtle
to be honest half of the time Windows feels like a toy project with its shitty U...
the one thing I'll always hate Windows for is drive fragmentation
You use your PC for some time and it becomes slow as molasses
left sand
besides valve, i cant think of any other force within the linux community having similar direction and ultimately valve's mission is incredibly small in scope
mystic turtle
I do not like waiting for at least a quarter of an hour for the file explorer to open
left sand
i have never had that issue
i have transplanted my windows install across machines for 6 years
potent wolf
besides valve, i cant think of any other force within the linux community having...
google is the only other one that's succeeded, and they just go and do their own thing instead of working with the community
small sirenBOT
left sand
the only winrot is you
mystic turtle
must be an HDD thing
cursive peak
Yeah, I don't think drive fragmentation has been much of an issue since, like, Win98 or WinXP.
left sand
google is the only other one that's succeeded, and they just go and do their own...
yes Google isn't a player in the public community unfortunately
glass musk
Windows just gets bloated eventually because of the registry and programs not fully uninstalling (leaving a lot of garbage files behind)
left sand
no it doesn't
glass musk
ok
left sand
oh no i have 2kb of extra registry entries this makes my computer slow
mystic turtle
then again my folks are cheapskates and I haven't had any PC worth more than 300 USD
at least that changes later this year
glass musk
oh no i have 2kb of extra registry entries this makes my computer slow
it doesn't make the computer slow
left sand
microsoft has also adjusted the registry a lot in win10 and win11 so there isn't even much disk space used
glass musk
I just said it gets bloated
left sand
okay, so you dont have anything worth saying?
glass musk
that's my perception of it at least
left sand
bloat is a meme
mystic turtle
microsoft has also adjusted the registry a lot in win10 and win11 so there isn't...
hm, I see
left sand
the only true winrot even in the xp days was people installing spyware and toolbars and other stupid shit
windows doesnt deteriorate itself
sure, theres like a few loose cfg and txt files when you uninstall things
at least its not fucking linux with a huge, untracked .local and .cache folder
msi and other installation methods are way more advanced at containing program boundaries than packages on linux
and flatpak is just overkill because people want a technologically impressive solution
potent wolf
at least its not fucking linux with a huge, untracked .local and .cache folder
at least now we have xdg dirs, it used to be so much worse with everything just shitting in the homedir
summer willow
windows doesnt deteriorate itself
idk.... a lot and a lot people would say otherwise but not arguing
mystic turtle
at least now we have xdg dirs, it used to be so much worse with everything just ...
wait, this was a thing
lol, I can see how that would be stupid
small sirenBOT
potent wolf
yes and its still a thing for some stuff
left sand
idk.... a lot and a lot people would say otherwise but not arguing
again, there was for sure people installing dumb shit
but now its just a meme repeated
potent wolf
yes and its still a thing for some stuff
my homedir is full of stupid dotfiles
left sand
or someone just complaining about 4kb of extra space wasted
glass musk
you can't tell me the registry editor is a perfect thing
and there isn't a better alternative that MS can come up with
small sirenBOT
mystic turtle
now that I think about it, it was most likely the antivirus or smth
that shit eats disk bandwidth
at least it wasn't Norton
Oh crud, now that I remember it apparently HP had put McAfee on it at the factory
potent wolf
gconf? dconf?
doesn't work on flatpaks iirc
glass musk
I thought gconf is no longer used
potent wolf
and kde doesn't use it, they just make random config files
summer willow
theres somethink like that but in linux is much better btww
mystic turtle
I fucking love manufacturers filling PCs with bloat
summer willow
ah yes let me create a dword 32 64 bit hexa binary decimal something based on random values from internet in a random place
cursive peak
When I've picked up prebuilts, I verify the hardware works and then did a format and OS install myself.
potent wolf
left sand
macos also has globalpreferences
left sand
ah yes let me create a dword 32 64 bit hexa binary decimal something based on ra...
???
non type validated opaque values in random folders is better
especially when their posix interface is non standard yes
glass musk
summer willow
true
potent wolf
but why not have an OS API
because that's not unix philosophy
runic dew
the windows documents folder https://tenor.com/view/detroit-meme-give-up-suicide-suicide-or-give-up-gif-13476851748239446279
left sand
and random kernel files
summer willow
i hate that for each kde application and components is created a folder in .config or sometimes just a random file
left sand
and random other cfg fders
summer willow
Trolltech.conf
potent wolf
i hate that for each kde application and components is created a folder in .conf...
they probably could centralize this, since everything on kde uses the same config framework anyways
maybe they should use dconf 😉
mystic turtle
When I've picked up prebuilts, I verify the hardware works and then did a format...
I plan to do that with my next laptop, unfortunately I didn't know how to do that back when I got my current one
summer willow
and random kernel files
i never messed with kernel files and didnt know that had
when i started linux i notice how everything has a config file that is different from the others
glass musk
coms are you still using W10 or have you updated to W11?
summer willow
even CLI is always different to use
glass musk
potent wolf
even CLI is always different to use
go programs when
left sand
coms are you still using W10 or have you updated to W11?
i updated to win11 after first update
glass musk
ah ok
jagged pawn
bloat is a meme
ok so then what is the actual reason why resetting a computer makes it run faster? actual question not meme bc I don't see how bloat could possibly not be a real thing
not even a windows exclusive thing but just any computer that you've had for 3+ years could probably use a reinstall
summer steeple
I don't think coms is saying that bloat isn't a real thing, just that its a meme
left sand
ok so then what is the actual reason why resetting a computer makes it run faste...
i have never seen that happen
but usually its because you installed dogshit on your computer
what I'm saying is the only bloat is you
jagged pawn
man.. fine I'll lose some weight ok
drowsy marlin
I like linux because I think it's cool
next nymph
there is no such thing as the average guy
who this then
craggy ridge
i keep getting kicked from hightower lobbies bcs plp think im cheating
specifically when i play as heavy
hoary geyser
stop cheating then?
tough locust
ok so then what is the actual reason why resetting a computer makes it run faste...
2 many startup programs
limpid panther
I'm finally benchmarking the x64 beta
I wanted to test it alternating one pass on each branch, while still launching both through steam but steam kept overwriting the changes I made. So I'm just gonna do 50 passes on one and 50 passes on the other, shutting down the game after every 5 passes
alternating each pass would control for any temperature change or OS resource usage spike
but since its just 50 passes, its not gonna take that long and it might not be a problem at all
also, for some reason demos recorded on casual wont play on x64, but demos recorded on a listen server with bots will play flawlessly
green tulip
I'm finally benchmarking the x64 beta
benchmarking to see the difference 64-bit makes or to see the difference the 64-bit branch makes? I know you said you are switching branches but that would only make sense if you where benchmarking to compare the beta as a whole against the current version of the game rather then just 64-bit vs 32-bit
64-bit branch has both 32-bit and 64-bit binaires
limpid panther
benchmarking to see the difference 64-bit makes or to see the difference the 64-...
you are correct, im comparing the beta branch with the default branch
small sirenBOT
limpid panther
on the beta branch I'm using x64, because that's part of the beta
I'm doing very high settings (set through the in-game menu)
Later I plan to do the same with low settings and then move on to windows
im not gonna focus on trying to quantify a change between 32 and 64bit, just benchmarking the beta as a whole. But since Windows wont take advantage of dxvk, a bigger part of the change could be attributed to those changes, although there are other things
grim parcel
maybe they should use dconf 😉
FACTS
unborn pecan
be kde
uses dconf
....
uses kconf
grim parcel
kde not using dconf is a major L
anyone who doesn’t enjoy a central, scriptable key value store to configure all your programs is on something
probably that libre kush
kind falcon
> be kde
> uses dconf
> ....
> uses kconf
Branch matches remote branch main.
formal dew
Windows is more than adequately robust and self sustaining since nt 6
which windows is using for almost 20 years at this point
drowsy marlin
Im so glad TF2 is being ported to the Vulkan x64 engine
summer willow
limpid panther
still benchmarking
limpid panther
kind falcon
gyatt
limpid panther
demo file used
I would have used a demo recorded on casual mode but those don't seem to work with the beta. This one was recorded offline with bots
also note: THIS IS NOT timedemo, this is normal demo playback, where frametimes were captured with mangohud 39 times in a row, shutting down the game after every 5 times
so basically average framerate in a casual match (12v12 pl_swiftwater_final1) has increased from 148 to 191!
nice job to everyone involved with this beta!
average variance is also much much lower, meaning the framerate inside each pass is more stable
"p:0.0" means that the null hipothesis, which is that the frametime increases or stays the same, statistically has a 0.0 percent chance of being true. This is more relevant when tests are close together from one another
now Im gonna do low settings
I expect the improvement to be even higher
left sand
i wish cosmetics were testable
limpid panther
i wish cosmetics were testable
maybe the one I used doesn't work due to meet your match stuff. I will try to record one on a community server later
frigid needle
hey, so i've been testing some settings and benchmarking with timedemo.
i found something unusual with mat_picmip:
- picmip 0 and picmip -10 perform the same (expected)
- fps is DRAMATICALLY reduced with picmip levels 1 or 2
- has no effect on fps on dx81
picmip -10
3267 frames 11.133 seconds 293.44 fps ( 3.41 ms/f) 24.705 fps variability
picmip 2
3267 frames 13.344 seconds 244.84 fps ( 4.08 ms/f) 18.885 fps variability
The caveat here is that I can't see much benefit in other demos (such as test5 above). My theory is that benchmark demos that spend a lot of time in spawn (or see slow-motion deathcams) tend to give "inflated" timedemo results. This would mean that the performance of the game during CPU-limited moments would be much harder to measure since the result is positively skewed.
I guess this also implies that I think mat_picmip is affecting the performance during CPU-limited moments which is completely beyond my understanding.
not sure how to proceed with testing this one, or what it really means, or how it could possibly work. I asked two other people to try it with my demo and their results show the same behaviour on dx95
I can upload the demos if anyone is interested, but I focused entirely on keeping the demos entirely within a low-FPS game scenario. I didn't put any effort into making sure they contain specific items or cosmetics (as I know mastercoms did with benchmark_test). I'd also like to try improving my demos with some of those things included, so if anyone knows the specific stressors to aim for I'd love to hear about it.
oh my god im so sorry thats such a wall
limpid panther
hey, so i've been testing some settings and benchmarking with timedemo.
i found ...
you are 100% correct about the inflated results due to spending time on spawn. This is why I limit my testing to only the parts of the demo representative of normal gameplay.
I think the next step would be to try and reproduce the weird performance hit with something other than timedemo, because it almost always distorts the relative improvement of changes
potent wolf
maybe the one I used doesn't work due to meet your match stuff. I will try to re...
another legacy compat branch incoming 
spare obsidian
why are demo makers don't update their demos, are they stupid?
coarse spruce
Also why does Shounic call SSE2 a compiler? 💀
yeah that one was a bit too weird to be a "dumbing down" lol
Kinda meh because of this: https://github.com/pkgw/elfx86exts/issues/49 but still:
linux64 $ elfx86exts engine.so
File format and CPU architecture: Elf, X86_64
MODE64 (call)
SSE1 (movss)
SSE2 (pause)
CMOV (cmove)
SSE3 (movddup)
MMX (emms)
Instruction set extensions used: CMOV, MMX, MODE64, SSE1, SSE2, SSE3
CPU Generation: Intel Core
and of course it doesn't support i386 so I can't check the 32bit default branch binary D:
drowsy marlin
If TF2 goes 64 bit, does this mean no more bots?
summer steeple
no
drowsy marlin
Why not?
summer steeple
cause its still a program at the end of the day
drowsy marlin
Damn
crisp cedar
If TF2 goes 64 bit, does this mean no more bots?
i dont know how one can come to that conclusion
summer steeple
to my knowledge the only thing that would slow bot hosters down is:
A. if for some reason their bots are running on 32 bit systems
B. they for some reason have a hard time updating their bots to run on the 64 bit version
but a lot of the game code is the same so...
and its not like modern games built from the ground up to be x64 don't have bots either
crisp cedar
can only make me stronger
summer steeple
ye
left sand
a lot of cheat devs are on maintenance mode
so it will kill a lot of inept cheat software
crisp cedar
it would be a minor setback in any way
if anything, since x64 is already out there for the public in testing, people are already getting to work
a soon to be niche that needs filling
next nymph
a lot of cheat devs are on maintenance mode
update droughts as an anticheat
grim parcel
If TF2 goes 64 bit, does this mean no more bots?
thank you for always being so positively thinking though
potent wolf
thank you for always being so positively thinking though
we need more of that tbh
grim parcel
facts i was just thinking that
shit is too sad nowadays
like how anytime i play harvest on valve serves my game is filled with bots :(
i miss sticky jumping across the map from spawn to spawncamp every life
(i enjoy ruining other's tf2 experiences)
mystic turtle
like how anytime i play harvest on valve serves my game is filled with bots :(
And community ain't exactly a good substitute
No contracts + sweaty mfs + server hardware sucks so bad that a Japanese Casual server runs nicer than a Singapore community server
grim parcel
people are kinda tryhardy, but that's fun at times
my bigger issues is just joining servers
grim parcel
casual is much more convenient
mystic turtle
Sticky-camping demos
Ultimate mge scunts
Cracked snipers that almost feel like aimbots
10000 hr soldiers
maybe that's just an asian server thing
grim parcel
but yeah i do enjoy valve servers more because of that and it's easier to do good
grim parcel
Sticky-camping demos
Ultimate mge scunts
Cracked snipers that almost feel like a...
Sticky-camping demos
my favorite hobby
grim parcel
community discords
idk there's one for a tf2 config that i think is cool
small sirenBOT
potent wolf
idk there's one for a tf2 config that i think is cool
which one?
grim parcel
which one?
vusaline's
grim parcel
left sand
i love using github as source control for a zip file
potent wolf
lmao
pale basalt
vusaline was just as cheater config right?
grim parcel
yeah -nocrashdialog lets the bots work
left sand
i love copying random mastercomfig values and then adding sv_cheats protected cvars on top
grim parcel
its like a vac bypass
pale basalt
well nocrashdialog has is own use cases for normal people "sometimes"
grim parcel
like hacking
potent wolf
frog_hacks
grim parcel
you should actually always run tf2 with -enable_d3d9_hacks
pale basalt
what was the actual point of vusaline, it claimed to do things "different" or "better" than mcom, but even trying it myself it was just a pain with a lot of bad like really bad settings
potent wolf
different
pale basalt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
potent wolf
aka NIH
grim parcel
what was the actual point of vusaline, it claimed to do things "different" or "b...
mastercomfig is notoriously unstable
pale basalt
real (real)
mystic turtle
>Sticky-camping demos
my favorite hobby
at least on most maps you can displace the demo due to sightlines or flank routes
There was one time I got super tilted after trying to get revenge on one of them on 2fort
He was being guarded by multiple sentries, he wasn't far from spawn, and literally everyone was nearby
I racked up 5 more nemeses
Worst part was that my crappy internet was being super lossy or something
as well as the fact that that particular server seemingly has a poor connection on its own
Perhaps 2fort is a bad map
potent wolf
2fort is perfect
grim parcel
yeah perhaps you're just a bad player
mystic turtle
yeah
I'm slowly starting to learn that the only way to be good at TF2 is to acknowledge that pushing without uber is suicide and that waiting for enemies to do something stupid is how you get frags
I mean, everything except spy revolvers and melees kill in 2-3 shots or less
cursive peak
Always seek to have an advantage in a fight.
mystic turtle
I mean, everything except spy revolvers and melees kill in 2-3 shots or less
so like having the jump on someone is of quite some value
then again, in another silly moment
I somehow got revenge on a sniper with a backstab
He had quite precise aim but it seems his environmental awareness was subpar
Guess that one shows that every player has a weakness
hoary geyser
If TF2 goes 64 bit, does this mean no more bots?
no there will be double the number of bots, just like everything else in the game
it's a side effect of switching from 32bit to 64bit
potent wolf
makes sense
unborn pecan
i love using github as source control for a zip file
😭
every time I see a git repo with any zip or tar in it, I die a little bit
potent wolf
i'm going to start doing that
unborn pecan
no there will be double the number of bots, just like everything else in the gam...
Actually, the bots would increase by 2^32
2^64/2^32 = 2^32
unborn pecan
i'm going to start doing that
what, dying?
unborn pecan
gives me flash backs to the time you added a whole ass git repo without taking the time to learn the 1 commadn for a submodule
potent wolf
gives me flash backs to the time you added a whole ass git repo without taking t...
actually, your script for it was wrong
potent wolf
i know how to use submodules
i've used them before
and i don't like them
we've gone over this before
hoary geyser
Actually, the bots would increase by 2^32
even better!
next nymph
submodules implies dommodules
potent wolf
I would have used a demo recorded on casual mode but those don't seem to work wi...
do you still have the casual demo? i tried to reproduce this but it worked fine for me
@limpid panther
oops sorry for double ping
tough locust
uncletopia
only problem is that uncletopia attracts mega tryhards by nature, im a fan of community servers but so many of my old faves have shutdown that it's impossible to find an almost vanilla server running custom maps. It's either full vanilla or full !rtd randomizer x100 highertower custom playermodel freak fortress slenderman mode. Never go full RTD
tough locust
i HATE the community
if we're talking community projects then yes 💀 cough cough creators tf COUGHHH
livid oracle
uncletopia seems fine
cursive peak
I still don't get the hate for people who actually put effort into playing.
tough locust
its one thing to try hard at the game and be good but the ones im talking about are the 8k hour soldiers with pocket medics, it makes a matchup against them completely impossible without someone also pocketing you
crisp cedar
what if you could report players and options would be toxic chat, toxic voice, friendly killing, tryharding, capturing the objective, griefing (stealing my health kit), cheating
i think we as a community would benefit from controlling how players play the game
control the bad actors
livid oracle
i simply headshot the medic
cursive peak
Or bomb the Medic mercilessly.
tough locust
what if you could report players and options would be toxic chat, toxic voice, f...
sounds like a terrible idea
crisp cedar
players would also gain behavior score
the lower their behavior score the more restricted they become
tough locust
csgo ptsd
left sand
what was the problem with creators.tf
crisp cedar
punishments like cant taunt, cant collide with teammates
killstreaks disabled
cant earn australiums in mvm
livid oracle
what was the problem with creators.tf
didnt you need to install like a 500 MB vpk to play on it
crisp cedar
i dont think that was the issue
livid oracle
i didnt have fibre at the time when it was active so i never played on it
crisp cedar
i think the issue was that connecting to their servers took u like 5 minutes
u could predownload their shit i think
livid oracle
yeah because they made you download a 500 MB vpk
small sirenBOT
tough locust
what was the problem with creators.tf
internal drama like with every tf2 mod project, and also they kinda sabotaged their own project by making the entire ecosystem restricted to their own servers. They kept heralding that "we're gonna save community servers in tf2! new weapons!!!" but the system was wack and it wasnt exactly "saving community servers" it was just making another community server ecosystem like Gmod Tower but worse
crisp cedar
it just took so fucking long to connect to their servers
i think the new weapons guys can all go to tf2c
they can live out their perverse fantasies in there
livid oracle
wasnt the internal drama like one admin being mad that they added slur filters
tough locust
note to future mod creator people: don't let tyler mcvicker have any agency over your tf2 community project
left sand
tyler had nothing to do with creators lmao
livid oracle
i didnt even know tyler was involved
left sand
people have a massive hate boner for tyler
he was in the vc and server
and he just like
posted memes
and played in playtests
livid oracle
i think there's a lot of things to criticise him for but people go like 5000x times too far about him it's weird
left sand
thats p much all
tough locust
tyler had nothing to do with creators lmao
maybe im mixing it up with something else but i heard whispering about the drama that led to creators.tf dying and tyler mcvicker was involved in it for some reason even though he doesnt develop for it
crisp cedar
as funny as it is to say it
but he really is just a passionate gamer at the end of the day
left sand
no youre not mixing it up
livid oracle
why did you say tyler had agency then
tough locust
this was back 3+ years ago now so my memory could be fuzzy
livid oracle
thats fucked up
left sand
thats the rumor thats spread around for creators.tf
next nymph
tf2 community speculation is usually garbage
left sand
the only thing that happened with creators.tf is that 404unf was on the team and hes mentally unstable
livid oracle
the 2018 code leak was also attributed to tyler for some reason
tough locust
the only thing that happened with creators.tf is that 404unf was on the team and...
lol yeah that guy has been all over the place
left sand
absolute nobody
livid oracle
oh was 404unf the guy that got mad about the filters
left sand
but like
spare obsidian
the only thing that happened with creators.tf is that 404unf was on the team and...
and its still, the mf hacked a twitter account that himself gave t oa friend just to schizoposting and threating
left sand
he hosted the servers
and he made a post on his blog
as if he is some important dude
and he was speaking out about the filters
crisp cedar
oh god 404
left sand
i mean admittedly steph was going hard on stuff as she does sometimes
but yeah suddenly pulling the uhm
servers
livid oracle
yeah i read the blog it was so self-important lmao
tough locust
oh god 404
he was having a meltdown on gamebanana and then got banned. I didn't even know you could get banned there
livid oracle
like he was acting like he's taking down jeffrey epstein's network or something
left sand
tyler had nothing to do with it failing
spare obsidian
any project that 404 touches its doomed to death, creators.tf and hlmv++ are prime examples (hlmv++ was commisioned by him)
left sand
in fact tyler was one of the positive factors keeping the team together through his good personality and motivational support
tough locust
tyler had nothing to do with it failing
perhaps i have spoken falsely my apologies :(
livid oracle
any project that 404 touches its doomed to death, creators.tf and hlmv++ are pri...
woke creators.tf be like creators.tx
next nymph
the tf2 community doesn't deserve steph. The worst I've ever heard is she's maybe a little overzealous in trying to improve the community and make stuff better, and she just keeps facing incredible amounts of shit for trying to help
spare obsidian
well tyler is technically the lead dev of that
but has some devs states
he's the public figure of the group
tough locust
Honestly I think a creators.tf-type custom weapons system ecosystem could make a comeback nowadays with vscript HUD elements and stuff, would be more impressive than the old sourcemod setup
left sand
afaik some deranged mentally ill blackpilled guy was angry someone on the team was trans
spare obsidian
the thing is tyler was aware of that iirc
left sand
and then leaked the tf2 and csgo repos because of that with a bunch of misinfo
spare obsidian
tyler said that on stream
livid oracle
and then leaked the tf2 and csgo repos because of that with a bunch of misinfo
idk why ppl took that at face value
left sand
because 4chan read it
livid oracle
yeah actually the guy i hate is responsible for everything bad
left sand
and they take everything at face value
livid oracle
tyler leaked this source code that i'm currently leaking
limpid panther
do you still have the casual demo? i tried to reproduce this but it worked fine ...
yea, give me a few minutes and I can send it to you
spare obsidian
i mean on a technically and legal standpoint tyler if the developters of ledsoft are right, tyler is the lead he has some responsability but idk
tough locust
https://tenor.com/view/no-yes-giga-chad-giga-chad-gif-23156898
(jarate)king shit
livid oracle
ppl focus on the tf2 and hl2 and csgo source but the archive had a ton of other schizo shit in it lmao
that's like desperately trying to implicate tyler for crimes?
it was weird
spare obsidian
imma be honest the downfall of the tf2 community is when it steppedstoned in 4chan /v/ board
left sand
wasnt tf2 always on 4chan?
livid oracle
you can just say you think she's a little annoying to talk with
tough locust
imma be honest the downfall of the tf2 community is when it steppedstoned in 4ch...
so 2007 LOL
spare obsidian
wasnt tf2 always on 4chan?
i mean probably i know tfc wasn't? i don't remenber
livid oracle
i think she's fine and it's obvious that 99% of the hate against her is just transphobia
tough locust
pretty sure /v/ has like one of the oldest stil running tf2 servers
limpid panther
wasnt tf2 always on 4chan?
yea
limpid panther
I'm gonna interrupt this conversaion with cool graphs because I'm excited that I finally have cool graphs:
soo as expected performance becomes worse the longer you play, (in this case represented by passes, not continuous playtime)
but the cool thing is that variance is so low on dxvk that you can't even see it go down
limpid panther
did you make these with R
no, matplotlib
and I captured the data with mangohud and a tool I am cobbling together
left sand
matplotcon
limpid panther
interesting why is that
caches and buffers filling up I guess
keep in mind these are 15 second demo sections being tested. So it doesn't take long before performance stabilizes
@potent wolf i THINK this is it
if it works, check if it's swiftwater attack
tough locust
do you think the increase in frametime is statistically significant or the increasing bounds are just outliers 🤓☝️
limpid panther
do you think the increase in frametime is statistically significant or the incre...
its absolutely statistically significant, the arrows with "p:[number]" are the null hypothesis probability
potent wolf
if it works, check if it's swiftwater attack
it's on swiftwater defense, and it works fine for me
tough locust
its absolutely statistically significant, the arrows with "p:[number]" are the n...
ohhh so wait if ur proving the null hypothesis its the inverse then?? p value > 0.05 means that it is significant? I'm not that good at statistics
i thought p was supposedto be less than 0.05 for it to be significant or something
limpid panther
it's on swiftwater defense, and it works fine for me
do you see hats? 😂
potent wolf
yes
limpid panther
ohhh so wait if ur proving the null hypothesis its the inverse then?? p value *>...
the null hypothesis is set to "no change or increase" so a high probabilty means it's significant
potent wolf
?
tough locust
the null hypothesis is set to "no change or increase" so a high probabilty means...
:O okay that makes sense thank you
limpid panther
i thought p was supposedto be less than 0.05 for it to be significant or somethi...
yea, its just because I set it in a way that makes more sense when you see a decrease in the second boxplot, which is more usual
shrewd leaf
Quick question: how do we get the TF2 Beta and does the benchmark demo run on both the main TF2 and the Beta TF2 for comparison?
potent wolf
Quick question: how do we get the TF2 Beta and does the benchmark demo run on bo...
select the beta branch in game properties
in steam
tough locust
is there a server tag by default for sv_pure 1 servers? can't seem to find any servers running the 64 bit build that have sv_pure 1 i've been searching periodically for the past few days
shrewd leaf
Thanks!
Now for a longer question, that might have already been answered: do we have a list of all the performance improvements that this 64-bit TF2 has from a change log or something?
limpid panther
yea, its just because I set it in a way that makes more sense when you see a dec...
this should make more sense:
left sand
Thanks!
Now for a longer question, that might have already been answered: do we ...
- SSE2
- Memory alignment fixes
- x64
- Linux compiler updated
- Sound cache improvements
- Fix for material system overhead
- Fix for player model panel overhead
- SDL2 updated
- mimalloc used instead of tcmalloc
- minimp3 used instead of miles
- Font cache optimization
- dxvk
- Text rendering fixes
potent wolf
* SSE2
* Memory alignment fixes
* x64
* Linux compiler updated
* Sound cache imp...
also the game can now load maps from longer filepaths
left sand
and load megacrazycar
tough locust
noticed that vulkan has given me a flickering black skybox more than once just like tiny temporary flickers though
limpid panther
might have something to do with graphics settings?
I'm on the lowest you can get though in-game menus and it just crashes...
left sand
report it
shrewd leaf
* SSE2
* Memory alignment fixes
* x64
* Linux compiler updated
* Sound cache imp...
Thanks! 🙂
limpid panther
yea yea I will do that, let me just see if I can find the reason first
I've been experiencing loads of crashes in the beta branch, actually, actually
always at launch
shrewd leaf
I assume we will see lots of Team Comtress 2 fixes and maybe mastercomfig fixes in the TF2 beta?
I figure if the team at Valve is willing to switch to x86-64, and implement all these features, then surely they’d take the chance to try those too…?
unborn pecan
* SSE2
* Memory alignment fixes
* x64
* Linux compiler updated
* Sound cache imp...
is it the year 2000? cause that sse2 is wild fire 🔥
summer steeple
I figure if the team at Valve is willing to switch to x86-64, and implement all ...
iirc some of the changes are TC2 fixes, others are TC2 fixes that they found on their own (i.e. same solution, but not intentionally taken from TC2)
green tulip
* SSE2
* Memory alignment fixes
* x64
* Linux compiler updated
* Sound cache imp...
where is this list from?
(if you don't mind me asking that is)
potent wolf
go to shounic's discord and read the messages from joshie and ficool
radiant merlin
joshie
potent wolf
for most of the stuff
green tulip
oh
guess ill need to free up a server slot then
I'm at Discord's server limit currently
left sand
where is this list from?
i just typed it up
potent wolf
i just typed it up
potent wolf
i will shoot them
Upgrading to 64-bit means a newer compiler, specifically SSE2, which has improvements for simultaneous math operations so the compiler translates down the the computer better than before
radiant merlin
what's left to optimize?
drowsy marlin
I can't wait to play on the Vulkan x64 engine
potent wolf
you can!
radiant merlin
killing support for granny level hardware
this just reminded me that the default volume on game launch is too high, and it's probably because of old hardware lol
spare obsidian
i really i really want a new slidder for sfx
spare obsidian
i can confirm that lol
tough locust
the max volume in tf2 is like 1000x louder than other games
it's using the classic windows tech where the gap between 1 percent and 2 percent is like 50 decibels but anything past 10 percent is deadfeningly loud
spare obsidian
aren't joshioe and ficool in vacations?
sonic folio
mastercomfig is notoriously unstable
mastercomfig is most stable i ever used wtf??
small sirenBOT
grim parcel
perhaps
potent wolf
perhaps
nvm youre 100% serious all the time
after all, you didnt put /j or /s after your message
grim parcel
true i have never once joked or been saecastic without the proper tone indicator
unborn pecan
true i have never once joked or been saecastic without the proper tone indicator
irony
limpid panther
true i have never once joked or been saecastic without the proper tone indicator
saecastic
sonic folio
perhaps
sorry im like hella tired and didnt bother with context and opened this channel with that and left lol
fleet kite
Guess I'll update comtress installer (which no one uses) to check for the new exe lol. Oh, the release artifact was also renamed ages ago. Welp
craggy ridge
thank you for always being so positively thinking though
the gas passer buff might give us an edge against the bots 🤔
limpid panther
@potent wolf could you give me some basic hardware and software info from your PC so i can put it in the bug report?
Tried loads of stuff but could not make it work. The game is fucking segfaulting lol
potent wolf
<@394179512788844544> could you give me some basic hardware and software info fr...
nixos 24.05/unstable running on an Intel® Core™ i7-10710U CPU with integrated graphics on mesa 23.3.5
is that enough?
limpid panther
I think so
potent wolf
actually do you have a backtrace i'm curious what it's crashing in
grim parcel
nixos 24.05/unstable running on an Intel® Core™ i7-10710U CPU with integrated gr...
why say 24.05 weirdo it's unreleased
potent wolf
lol, lmao
limpid panther
is that enough?
also maybe the Windowing System
grim parcel
you should just say unstable and give the exact commit because you're a nixos user and other people totally use your os
potent wolf
you should just say unstable and give the exact commit because you're a nixos us...
smh i'll do that next time
nixos users are actually worse than arch users
grim parcel
yeah but at least issues are actually reproducible
arch users will just cry about their randomly configured makepkg.conf and 15 missing depends broke your software
all -git depends btw
limpid panther
actually do you have a backtrace i'm curious what it's crashing in
lmao could've sworn you asked for a dump
I don't think I can give you a backtrace, sorry. I don't have anything setup
potent wolf
journalctl
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is this not a backtrace?
anyways its probably something graphics related i'm too lazy to find all the functions here
limpid panther
is this not a backtrace?
it is, just not a very useful one to determine what's crashing hahah
potent wolf
there isn't exactly much info in the linux client bins
they should add symbols to them
limpid panther
there isn't exactly much info in the linux client bins
yea, I was gonna ask, do they even come with symbols? cuz that would be pretty fire
potent wolf
dedicated linux builds and mac builds have symbols
but mac builds are dead
and that was unintentional anyways, valve just never got around to fixing it for tf2
limpid panther
excuse me, what?
potent wolf
what did you try to upload?
limpid panther
they don't allow you to upload dumps in issues?
limpid panther
this
paper sluice
least you can zip it
limpid panther
yea
potent wolf
@grim parcel why did you 🤓 react me i'm going to cry
grim parcel
i had to do it to em
jagged pawn
Honestly I think a creators.tf-type custom weapons system ecosystem could make a...
been saying this, would love to see this get explored but I have no idea how to get the ball rolling bc I have zero experience with most of it
limpid panther
@potent wolf I JUST FOUND OUT WHY IT WASN'T WORKING
ITS MASTERCONFIG
since I was benchmaking I had made a clean install
if I put mastercomfig in IT DOESN'T CRASH
jagged pawn
LOL
limpid panther
because the demo was recorded with masterconfig
summer steeple
wtf
limpid panther
I only botherred to try this because for some reason demo playback prints part of the what was in the console during the demo's recording
so when I pulled the console.log of the crash for the bug report I saw the mastercomfig logo there
summer steeple
I wonder how hard it would be to track down what in specific is breaking it
limpid panther
YEA FUCK THAT
summer steeple
actually if you saw the logo, that means its near the start. Is it maybe failing to run an alias from comfig?
limpid panther
@left sand uhm, how can this happen?!?!?!
potent wolf
it's likely some setting that crashes the game
limpid panther
actually if you saw the logo, that means its near the start. Is it maybe failing...
that would have been harmless. I don't even know why it would have the mastercomfig logo there if it only shows up on game launch
potent wolf
good luck finding which one
summer steeple
ah true
limpid panther
not at the start of a match or smth
limpid panther
it's likely some setting that crashes the game
no but how come the absence of mastercomfig crashes the game? it's not like the demo is executing mastercomfig commands... they were already executed when the demo started recording
potent wolf
wait i'm confused now
summer steeple
does it break again if you remove mastercomfig?
limpid panther
let's see
summer steeple
like without cleaning up
limpid panther
wait i'm confused now
I think you can probably reproduce this for yourself now
potent wolf
what should i do?
limpid panther
actually, everybody can lol
limpid panther
what should i do?
just remove mastercomfig
you said you were running mastercomfig-low
limpid panther
does it break again if you remove mastercomfig?
it does lol
this is the cursed demo file, if anyone wanna try it out
this is probably why even the other demo I've been using sometimes crashes. It was also recorded before I removed mastercomfig for benchmarking
potent wolf
I think you can probably reproduce this for yourself now
yep, it's reproducible
limpid panther
lolololol
potent wolf
yaaaay