from the clip i would assume that the heavy has 500 ms interp
#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year
livid oracle
visual egret
i was under the impression interp was capped at like 30 ms
kind falcon
simply use 200ms interp while playing heavy weapon man .. easy win easy earnings
visual egret
is there something other than cl_interp and cl_interp_ratio in use or what?
kind falcon
nop
visual egret
so cl_interp 0.03 is 200 ms then?
small sirenBOT
livid oracle
i was under the impression interp was capped at like 30 ms
cap is 500 ms
cl_interp 0.5
visual egret
I have since realized my mistake
I just assumed since I never saw anyone above 0.03 that was the cap
The video is 0.2 on low ping vs low ping
lusty ice
.1 is tf2 default
Time to turn on the modem and discover the Gifs for the new millenium!
summer steeple
ok but be quick i gotta make a call in a little bit
cursive peak
It clamps to 0.5. I suppose if you had an awful enough connection, you'd need 500ms of interp. Bad dialup, perhaps? Bad satellite?
craggy ridge
Too ted kaczynski to live in the woods but not ted kaczynski enough to give up tf2
tacit flare
livid oracle
Who on earth needs cl_interp 5 as a genuine setting?
it's not a real setting you can actually use in normal play
also again it's clamped to 0.5
that's 500 ms
idk why everyone says cl_interp 5 is the max, that's ridiculous
livid oracle
it's not a real setting you can actually use in normal play
any tf2 video you see where they show you a handful of clips of something working
is just that
it is a handful of clips
they don't show all the countless hours they spent attempting to make it work
because youtube videos are for entertainment
would you make a fragvid that's just 50 hours of unedited gameplay? of course not, you'd just cut it down to 5 mins of all the cool kills you got
i genuinely don't get why people can't grasp this
like you can probably convince The TF2 Community that the huntsman is overpowered by making a 5-minute fragvid of you killing people with the tauntkill titled like "This Tauntkill is DEFINITELY Fair..."
radiant merlin
does anyone know when was the zoom to first person after taunt effect removed?
mystic turtle
It clamps to 0.5. I suppose if you had an awful enough connection, you'd need 50...
shitty filipino mobile internet would like to introduce itself
While I'm no expert at configuring internet settings, that sort of connection is utter horseshit
150 ping for close servers, 200 everywhere else
hidden gyro
burnt dragon
I think this makes weapons look too plastic like
medigun looks cool the glass texture seems fine
mystic turtle
doing a very lousy benchmark to check how well the new TF2 beta runs, focusing on consistency
From what I last recall, cl_showfps 1 told me that TF2 ran at around 40 fps or so, sometimes better, sometimes worse
This was when framelimited by strangle to about 60 fps
Let me see how well it holds up now, and get some numbers for both
also sod comparing them at a limit of 60 fps, I found mailbox mode vsync doesn't cap game FPS
So I'll just compare them straight
So far, when looking at an unoccupied tr_walkway, fps is at about 200
FPS is much more variable when playing, ranging from 120-200
Now to reboot and test with normal TF2
I'll be also posting all tweaks and stuff I have up, and my specs later on
welp, this is gonna take a while
seems as though TF2 boots a bit faster with the optimizations? or that's just me, IDK
yea, it was most likely just me
So, without strangle, stock TF2 runs at about 40 fps usually, just as I remember
Sometimes it rises above 80 but that's rather rare
I had to use cl_showfps 2 this time, mangohud doesn't seem to work and I'm too lazy to get it to work
proper tangle
That would imply over 100% gains, kinda nuts
of course things vary between users and configs, but holy moly
small sirenBOT
unborn pecan
@summer steeple Vpkedit 4.0.0 came out yesterday
it can now edit BSP packlumps
so
No more VIDE
they are going to add the feature to automatically scan in needed assets
also added a cli
summer steeple
i don't think anyone uses vide anymore anyway lol
most people just use compilepal for final compiles
still, a feature worth having and I'm glad that we're still getting new source engine tools in 2024
unborn pecan
you embed custom assests into the .BSP
radiant merlin
like with compilepal?
unborn pecan
like this
you can see everything inside of the bsp
alos has model previews
is pretty cool
cursive peak
tacit flare
Quite the display case item.
tough locust
(level 2 sentry beep 3 times) mish-mish-mish-mish-egins in ten seconds
tough locust
https://gamebanana.com/mods/475115 this version by dweeb works on casual
lusty ice
https://gamebanana.com/mods/475115 this version by dweeb works on casual
That's actually nice, thanks!
hidden gyro
radiant merlin
https://youtu.be/qls2PveoId0
stuck locust
would someone mind testing the inventory character rotation speed on the 64bit version of linux tf2?
curious to see if it would solve the blazing fast speed issue on the regular version of tf2 linux
jagged pawn
I don't see why it would fix that but I do hate that issue a lot lol
stuck locust
seems to be caused by m_rawinput being enabled
stuck locust
I don't see why it would fix that but I do hate that issue a lot lol
well it's got a bunch of optimizations/improvements so maybe one of them might fix it
if not maybe someone can tell joshie about it lol
i wouldn't imagine it'd be a difficult fix
drowsy marlin
I remember having this issue where scroll wheel would switch weapons, even though I had both directions bound to jump
But I tried x64 tf2 and that issue was fixed which is super hype
Now I just need to fix the ugly fonts and linux tf2 is golden
unborn pecan
curious to see if it would solve the blazing fast speed issue on the regular ver...
that is an SDL2 issue
pretty sure
languid haven
Imagine being able to play wutville with a stable FPS.
summer steeple
yeah i'm imagining alright
unfortunately, wutville's issues are not really engine related
its just uh, not optimized
languid haven
And they never will optimize it.
crisp cedar
13 thirteens has been working on it though
coarse spruce
curious to see if it would solve the blazing fast speed issue on the regular ver...
That's caused by the older SDL i think, it's been "fixed" on regular tf2 ever since I made it load a newer sdl version (one which also had wayland support)
Pretty sure its caused by the same issue that causes the sensitivity discrepancy between old and new sdl
potent wolf
would someone mind testing the inventory character rotation speed on the 64bit ...
it's fixed
sorry for the double ping
potent wolf
sorry theres no more good news
proper tangle
sorry theres no more good news
formal dew
Did they fix Linux TF2 stealing your credit card info and blood type
languid haven
thats a windows feature
zealous pond
Did they fix Linux?
unborn pecan
Did they fix Linux TF2 stealing your credit card info and blood type
yes
grim parcel
tell me more good news
heavy update coming soon
proper tangle
heavy update coming soon
potent wolf
heavy update coming soon
*heavy runtime 
mystic turtle
pootis runtime here
livid oracle
i feel like i can guess what the entirety of this 21-min video has to say just from the title and thumbnail
languid haven
Linux runtimes on steam are labeled after the tf2 mercs like how android used to label their major versions as names of candy.
languid haven
i feel like i can guess what the entirety of this 21-min video has to say just f...
Shit you'd know in 5 mins of loading into 2fort.
craggy ridge
i feel like i can guess what the entirety of this 21-min video has to say just f...
I watched most of it
Try your luck
I'll tell if you got close yay or nay
I'm very tired of TF2 essays
Which is a shame because a lot of coal creators put a lot of effort into them
craggy ridge
Which is a shame because a lot of coal creators put a lot of effort into them
But they are either a coal take or a cold one
livid oracle
Try your luck
assault rifle = generic, shotgun = epic
is that it
didnt the purple guy already make that video
craggy ridge
assault rifle = generic, shotgun = epic
Yep spot on!
He goes in a bit more detail about how shotguns are better than rifles when it comes to game design
livid oracle
so it is just lazypurple's video again
kind falcon
I'm very tired of TF2 essays
What if… tf2 had weapon interactions.. like when you throw jarate at a heavy revving up huo long dragon the piss would evaporate and create a threat to any people that are above you…
livid oracle
they should make it so when you spawn, there's a 1% chance that your character will have a piss fetish and when they get hit by jarate, instead of taking more damage, they get ubered + crit boosted from the excitement
languid haven
Just use vscript.
kind falcon
ok jimjim
radiant merlin
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3135938352 can someone confirm it works in linux? it should but i'm not making shit up
languid haven
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3135938352 can someone co...
I kinda skimmed through, what's the point in that?
I can test it right now but idk what the point is.
summer steeple
have the localized voices even been updated since launch
idk if they just have the english voice lines for all the unlocalized lines or if its just silent but consistency probably would be nice for some people.
kind falcon
idk if they just have the english voice lines for all the unlocalized lines or i...
how do you imagine implementing that
forgot to add something important. “Valve”
radiant merlin
idk if they just have the english voice lines for all the unlocalized lines or i...
they play in english
summer steeple
how do you imagine implementing that
wdym implementing that
if the localized voice line didn't exist it would either just have the english version in the vpks (which apparently it does), or if it was missing it would not play and give an error in the console
kind falcon
Shocked…
livid oracle
He goes in a bit more detail about how shotguns are better than rifles when it c...
nvm he mentions fistful of frags in 2024 it is instantly a good video despite my qualms about it
not biased at all
broken haven
does he mention fortnite
livid oracle
idk im only halfway into the vid
jagged pawn
nvm he mentions fistful of frags in 2024 it is instantly a good video despite my...
he did a whole video on fistful of frags recently
kaluka was my favorite tf2ber until someone in this server sent me clips of him being transphobic and then I reluctantly unsubbed 😔 (edit for those searching his name, I was misinformed when I wrote this)
jagged pawn
fistful of mid
livid oracle
though the ideal version of fof is right before Rebel "Hitler" Yell removed crouch jumping
livid oracle
~~kaluka was my favorite tf2ber until someone in this server sent me clips of hi...
i personally just assume every youtuber is benito mussolini until proven otherwise
jagged pawn
fair
left sand
~~kaluka was my favorite tf2ber until someone in this server sent me clips of hi...
source?
jagged pawn
fiend
jagged pawn
oh my god
did I really go this long thinking he was responding to me
the most recent message was mine about kaluka, didn't realize he just jumped right over me lmfao
left sand
i felt like you were but i wasnt sure
jagged pawn
resubscribing to based kaluka as we speak
jagged pawn
not that I'm aware of
left sand
well whatever then
livid oracle
@jagged pawn you misled me
i was watching his fof vid and he didnt seem like a guy that would be transphobic
like maybe just mildly edgy
jagged pawn
I would never mislead anyone
livid oracle
are you prepared for his libel suit
jagged pawn
doesnt he say r slurs in his videos
FUCK I watched the shotgun video and he does 😭 this has been a roller coaster
zealous pond
We shouldn't rest until every TFtuber is good and canceled.
summer steeple
true...
jagged pawn
banger video alert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq-MZauZ_uM
I had no idea this was a thing
tldr the short circuit ball deals double damage when exploding on things like doors, control points, and dynamic props
someone in the comments made a good point that it seems like the surfaces that this applies to are just the surfaces that stickies can't stick to which is an easy way to remember them
summer steeple
I had a thought while watching this video earlier
this is a bug, clearly, but is it the kind of bug the tfteam would fix
like disregarding how active they actually are, if the tfteam saw this bug, would they fix it, or would they keep it as a form of skill expression
its not game breaking, the only thing about it thats weird is the multiple explosions on specific surfaces
livid oracle
i think they would fix it
summer steeple
why
honestly aside from the multiple explosions its kinda working as intended for the most part, the extra damage tick on the engi is weird but otherwise it makes sense
livid oracle
i think they would fix it exploding on dynamic stuff
im lookinga t it from the perspective of like
"if the tf team was active" = back when it would be delfy that would show this off
left sand
the damage ticks being inconsistent is also weird
like self damage was added to punish the engie for hitting an enemy point blank with the secondary fire
but that happens instantly with the explosion?
livid oracle
idk who checked out the short circuit behaviour but i guess shounic is likely involved because he asked me about it some days ago about how to see the short circuit hitbox
but a MAJOR error is like
in the video it specifies 0.105-sec intervals
and i would assume that it's because it's actually a 0.1-sec interval but they remembered that the 66.67 tickrate just rounds it up to 0.105 secs
however they forgot to do the same for the 0.5-sec interval
which would be 0.51 secs if you take tickrate into account so this is a huge error in the video and uncle dane needs to formally apologise for spreading misinformation
livid oracle
the damage ticks being inconsistent is also weird
i would assume that someone decompiled the short circuit code to figure it out, since this seems like a very annoying thing to actually test
i wanna know if it's done with an incrementing timer or based on current total ticks or whatever
@left sand sentries do it every 3 ticks right? like ALL sentries think on the same ticks?
left sand
sentries dont think on ticks
oh wait do you mean like
not tick time
sorry im not reading you correctly
livid oracle
sorry im not reading you correctly
iirc they think every 0.045 secs
jagged pawn
even if it's technically a form of skill expression it's way too arbitrary in where it actually shows up for them to keep it around imo. it's like the old wrap assassin bug but in a positive direction rather than a negative
proper tangle
If they were as active as they were pre-2015, the tf team would surelly fix this short circuit bug
limpid panther
almost done fixing my tool to start doing extensive testing of the new beta
proper tangle
nice
radiant merlin
i never understood why in tf2 the tickrate is 66.67 while in csgo it was 64
proper tangle
built different
next nymph
tf2 is simply better
left sand
i never understood why in tf2 the tickrate is 66.67 while in csgo it was 64
15ms was the chosen tick interval for Source
however, 15ms does not have a whole network packet rate
so in CSGO they changed it
craggy ridge
like disregarding how active they actually are, if the tfteam saw this bug, woul...
i would just make the short circuit a jumper for engi and see what that does
better than it's current interation i'd say 🤷
Idk I don't like engi being able to completely stuff demo and soldier ubers by standing near a dispenser
or completely annihilate bombing attempts
proper tangle
It's fair
soldier and demos shouldn't have an auto win condition just because they have more mobility
craggy ridge
ubers should be an anti-stalemate tool and there are already ways you can fight against them
livid oracle
soldier and demos shouldn't have an auto win condition just because they have mo...
what does this mean
livid oracle
i would just make the short circuit a jumper for engi and see what that does
my epic are slash tf2 weapon ideas rework for the short circuit would just be like
make it a timing thing instead of a spam thing
proper tangle
Like it was before?
livid oracle
no
livid oracle
my epic are slash tf2 weapon ideas rework for the short circuit would just be li...
m1 shoots a small projectile with much cheaper metal cost, m2 explodes it and deletes projectiles in a radius
proper tangle
honestly, the simplest change they could do is simply add a "charging up" to the alt fire
right click, it charges for like a second and then fires it
livid oracle
i dont think the short circuit needs a nerf
proper tangle
it would need an animation for it, but still
it would stop all the soldier mains bitching about it
while retaining basically the same function
livid oracle
quick question: do you know how to surf rockets
proper tangle
yes, why?
livid oracle
this has been noted
livid oracle
Idk I don't like engi being able to completely stuff demo and soldier ubers by s...
its so strange that valve made uber a stalemate-breaking mechanic
and then added a ton of shit that easily wastes ubers with little effort
craggy ridge
nerf the wrangler and its fine me thinks
craggy ridge
I had no idea this was a thing
I had noticed that for a while but I had no idea what caused it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfibASDgaXI&lc=UgwLyMYibhl3kNYvbv14AaABAg
radiant merlin
however, 15ms does not have a whole network packet rate
so 64 tickrate is more acurate than 66?
dreamy marlin
So I know someone said the command execution order issue was (or will be) fixed in the x64_linux_test branch, but how many other issues are still in that branch? Anyone know if it's relatively polished, or still a little buggy?
left sand
So I know someone said the command execution order issue was (or will be) fixed ...
im not aware of any more bugs
left sand
so 64 tickrate is more acurate than 66?
yes
formal dew
queue the reddit conspiracy theory that valve lowered tickrates to save money
left sand
and does joshie know?
tick changes are not on the table
proper tangle
queue the reddit conspiracy theory that valve lowered tickrates to save money
"BUT IT SAVES THEM LIKE, 15 WHOLE DOLLARS A YEAR"
spare obsidian
how so?
radiant merlin
something like cs2's net graph
formal dew
panorama backport
radiant merlin
something that isn't just small, but compact
languid haven
right click, it charges for like a second and then fires it
dragon ball engineer
languid haven
So I know someone said the command execution order issue was (or will be) fixed ...
so far only bug i've heard of was the sticky syringe, haven't seen any but they have been posting to the source 1 github for bugfix reports.
dreamy marlin
Just took a peek at that github. Other than the dude running TF2 on a 2012 Mac Mini running Ubuntu, seems pretty polished. A few commands crash the game and there are a few cosmetic bugs but that seems to be it so far, nice
left sand
so far only bug i've heard of was the sticky syringe, haven't seen any but they ...
thats fixed
spare obsidian
Passtime is fixed?
languid haven
thats fixed
it was a funny glitch, i wonder what could've caused it.
hidden gyro
like disregarding how active they actually are, if the tfteam saw this bug, woul...
New update: All surfaces are now dynamic surfaces
craggy ridge
Wth why is your sniper arm fixed
summer willow
yeah
but i was kinda surprising that the commentaries acknowledge this and call as a spyware, that the video is just for ad
potent wolf
to see the sponsor segments
craggy ridge
Thanks!
broken haven
"removes limits on creators"
surce 2
radiant merlin
fuck u movistar
summer steeple
"removes limits on creators"
ITS NOT A NEW ENGINE
ITS JUST SOURCE ON 64 BIT
imagine if tf2 released with only dx8 and we were getting dx9 support now do you think he'd call that a new engine
like sure "what is a new engine" is a massive gray area but this is like...
nothing idk
this isn't like a major engine rewrite as far as i know
its not like a complete render engine rewrite or anything
i'm not even sure we're getting limits raised (yet)
replay would probably know more they set up something to diff the game binaries
spare obsidian
tyler exagerating things has usual
jagged pawn
in his defense I do think that it's tough to summarize what this means in a title
like "new engine" is pretty bad but also I'm not sure what he should say instead. I feel like "new API" wouldn't land bc way more people know what an engine is
plus he explains it fairly well in the vid after he stops yapping about spyware
slender nexus
who thinks it would be funny if we just started gaslighting Tyler
small sirenBOT
kind falcon
"removes limits on creators"
what experts did tyler talk to?
slender nexus
yeah we're getting a new engine
edict limit is getting effectively removed
this means valve 100% cares about tf2 again and there's gonna be a massive 10 day update in the summer
crisp cedar
who thinks it would be funny if we just started gaslighting Tyler
valve's been doing that for years
unborn pecan
what experts did tyler talk to?
shounic
unborn pecan
potent wolf
i shouldn't have expected anything...
left sand
me
though whyy tyler why did you talk about shounic in the end
i hosted your 100 player server man..
craggy ridge
Huge anti-mcoms squad in the building
potent wolf
overall i think the video is fine
linux users get better graphics now
crisp cedar
erasure
unborn pecan
i hosted your 100 player server man..
cause mcdicker is a dumbass
you should get your social media presence up
Comfigcrew Media
potent wolf
whar
kind falcon
server invite
potent wolf
https://discord.com/invite/8TYgJhwA7S what could go wrong
it's not like its in every one of his videos or anything...
summer steeple
can't wait for the member count to go up to 5,064, and then 10 minutes later go back down to 5,063
left sand
linux users get better graphics now <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
its true
dxlevel 92 to 95
potent wolf
what are the differences?
livid oracle
banned instantly
formal dew
radiant merlin
wait so linux didn't have hdr?
potent wolf
lightwarp support and hdr?
no lightwarps doesn't make any sense to me
rare creek
why should i care about 64 bit tf2 32 bit works fine
potent wolf
why should i care about 64 bit tf2 32 bit works fine
watch tylers video
rare creek
ew no
potent wolf
ew no
in summary better perf + more memory + dxvk + emoji support on linux (best feature)
rare creek
why would I want tf2 to use more memory
potent wolf
why would I want tf2 to use more memory
it can use more than 4GB now, it doesn't mean that it does
rare creek
ive never seen tf2 use more than 1gb of memory
unborn pecan
why should i care about 64 bit tf2 32 bit works fine
more than 4gb limit on memory
no more relying on stinky 32bit libs
directxfard
rare creek
why would i want to play the game through a directx translation layer when it normally supports opengl
another tf2 L.........................................
potent wolf
why would i want to play the game through a directx translation layer when it no...
its also using a translation layer for opengl
togl
rare creek
vscript already proved that expandign the limits of tf2 is a bad idea
left sand
what are the differences?
there was also another post from valve that i remember explaining a specific shader model feature that was noticeably missing from TF2
rare creek
erm not my fault opengl SUCKS
slender nexus
yeah remember the -dxlevel 100 stuff?
they forgor 💀 to finish it but you can force some parts of it on
jagged pawn
vscript already proved that expandign the limits of tf2 is a bad idea
opinion invalid
kind falcon
can't wait for the member count to go up to 5,064, and then 10 minutes later go ...
audit log: user obliterated (reason: minority)
hey guys shounic just confirmed he used his keyboard to type the n word
now determine whether its an r or no r
ok byr
summer steeple
sonic folio
like "new engine" is pretty bad but also I'm not sure what he should say instead...
"engine update" is the correct term
kind falcon
thats crazy
rare creek
"removes limits on creators"
in other words HALF LIFE 3 IS COMING OUT according to mister valve "tyler mcvicker" news network
rare creek
https://i.imgur.com/wXzrSl3.png
no r
he is a safe good boy and will live to see another day
hopefully
kind falcon
unless we mail a pipebomb
rare creek
the 100 player server bouta be 99 
sonic folio
languid haven
the 2048 edict limit:
That'll be upped after the 64bit update due to any issues it may cause.
craggy ridge
in summary better perf + more memory + dxvk + emoji support on linux (best feat...
What does this mean to windows players
craggy ridge
vscript already proved that expandign the limits of tf2 is a bad idea
Why
craggy ridge
"engine update" is the correct term
I like your pfp
craggy ridge
shitty maps.,.,
We got Krampus, Zombie Infection and VSH is a few changes away from being as good as the community version
kind falcon
and those changes have nothing to do with objects
why am i trying to argue with a tf2 player
hoary geyser
why didn't we just simply port tf2 to dx12 ultimate
and forcibly remove everything else
grim parcel
dx13
sonic folio
What does this mean to windows players
windows still get some optimizations and theyre still really good i dont think they get 64 bit atleast not yet?
try out the branch and compare with demos
left sand
why am i trying to argue with a tf2 player
lucian
glass musk
What does this mean to windows players
you'd still be able to use dxvk on windows so possibly better performance
kind falcon
you'd still be able to use dxvk on windows so possibly better performance
proof?
glass musk
dxvk on windows benchmarks vs directx
rare creek
what an unfortunate day for users still using ancient cards with no mature vulkan support
(cutoff point for nvidia is 1060)
drowsy marlin
Finally. TF2 in a new engine
Does this mean it's easier to add new content to the game, and they'll start fixing bugs?
proper tangle
hahahahaha
drowsy marlin
Will Mac users be able to play the game?
crisp cedar
Does this mean it's easier to add new content to the game, and they'll start fix...
the vicker strain of hopium
potent wolf
Will Mac users be able to play the game?
mac is dead
rare creek
i think valve will do something this time! i think the world is healing
potent wolf
😭
grim parcel
be me
develop for mac
apple drops 32bit
have to update to 64bit
apple drops x64
oh and it doesn’t even support vulkan
or modern opengl
potent wolf
togl is still in there
grim parcel
togl is still in there
what version of opengl does that target?
grim parcel
metal is a good backend
even if it is i can see why devs dont support it
its specific to one platform used less than linux for games
rare creek
thank god there isnt much parity loss in compatibility layers
rare creek
its specific to one platform used less than linux for games
i mean they already hate vulkan so thats expected
we rollin with dx and gl 4ever
grim parcel
i mean vk is slowly becoming a lot more common
i dont really know of any games released recently that support ogl off the top of my head
rare creek
the only ogl game thats still active i can think of in present age is osu
and its successor osu!lazer is getting a native vulkan backend too
(what a horrible day to still be using anything older than a 1060)
left sand
moltenVK
potent wolf
TIL, thanks! 
unborn pecan
i dont really know of any games released recently that support ogl off the top o...
Doom 2016?
Maybe doom eternal?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
minecraft
drowsy marlin
Doom Eternal is vulkan only afaik
tough locust
shitty maps.,.,
L TAKE vscript gamemodes have been awesome but zombie infection still needs to be rebalanced a bit, if we never got vscript i wouldnt even care about TF2 at all right now
tough locust
Doom Eternal is vulkan only afaik
yep doom 2016 was the last id game with opengl i think
drowsy marlin
Is Quake Champions in DX?
summer steeple
PCGW says DX11
drowsy marlin
Who is PCGW
potent wolf
Who is PCGW
pcgamingwiki probably
drowsy marlin
Woah
summer steeple
ye pcgamingwiki
I check it basically everytime I go to start a new game
cause a lot of the time there's some sort of mod or patch that I should download that I just didn't know about
radiant merlin
guys
can you check something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEBCHyiwsgE is this video at 60 fps? the video says so but i feel that it isn't
summer steeple
yeah its 30fps
for reference you can use the < and > keys to move frame by frame on a youtube video
and boy oh boy those frames sure are doubled
the beginning part in the loadout is... weird
sometimes the frames are doubled and sometimes they aren't
but once they get in game its 30
radiant merlin
thanks
livid oracle
all the tf2 wiki demonstration vids are required to use motion blur
livid oracle
they actually are required to use motion blur it's in the submission requirements
radiant merlin
why u lie
zealous pond
Per-object motion blur is kewl
languid haven
Ew motion blur
rare creek
in a cinematic context motion blur is fine
motion clarity is only really relevant for g*mers playing the vidya and certain niche media
formal dew
does the new branch fix the small ammo pack count calculation on windows servers
left sand
does the new branch fix the small ammo pack count calculation on windows servers
once 64 bit is done, yes
slender nexus
tacit flare
"removes limits on creators"
I understand he needs to eat, but half the video being an advert.. lol
next nymph
the 2048 edict limit:
its actually very unfortunate because 64 bits take up twice the space as 32 bits so the 2048 edict limit would become 1024
slender nexus
we love spreading misinformation
summer steeple
check the imgur link its amazing
man thats like the worst image to embed
this hud is great i love it
languid haven
its actually very unfortunate because 64 bits take up twice the space as 32 bits...
I might be a little mentally deficient but how many times did your head hit the ground for you to get that one?
mystic turtle
Being on the internet for extended periods of time easily accomplishes that
languid haven
maybe if you wee raised on it
summer steeple
I might be a little mentally deficient but how many times did your head hit the ...
its quite simple, if the limit is 2048 edicts, then each edict is 32 bits, so at 64 bits it fits in half the space duh
languid haven
you use windows don't you?
mystic turtle
today I saw some goofy old TF2 videos showcasing some absolutely dumb exploits
There was one of blu engies building under red spawn on Gravel Pit
and another one of people using the high five taunt to clip into enemy spawn
the first one seems to have been made during the very early days, given that everyone was hatless and they were all using stock weapons
radiant merlin
summer steeple
is this a direct port of busan (surprised i recognize it?) I'm guessing based off of things like the white planes
like a direct import from like
radiant merlin
owmap to vmf
kind falcon
I might be a little mentally deficient but how many times did your head hit the ...
so are you mentally deficient or is he
potent wolf
so are you mentally deficient or is he
me
kind falcon
i think you’re actually mentally efficient but whatever you say funny guy
tough locust
itd be cooler if the map wasnt so small
languid haven
The problem with big details is they need a big space.
Also that looks like a splatoon map.
radiant merlin
not updoot
lusty ice
FYI a new x64 update dropped with a x64 Windows executable.
radiant merlin
huh
formal dew
spare obsidian
does it work?
formal dew
i can access 32 bit vulkan tf2 but not seeing 64 bit so far, and directly opening the exe isnt working
lusty ice
The x64 engine is unable to mount VPKs apparently.
formal dew
paper sluice
Why is queuing into just control point actually impossible
Long ass queue times
Like it’s not dead the thing says there’s players tf2 just wants to shit in my mouth or something
And then when it queues the mf game is already over
I wish a plague befalls any and all tf2 devs or they trip and fall
sonic folio
And then when it queues the mf game is already over
it might seem crazy what im about to say but cant you just stay till the map restarts
sonic folio
cp be dead as hell the
craggy ridge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/638047819264950303/1189252784613245080/...
WHY ARE THEY FROTTING????
DOG WHAT IS YAKUZA EVEN ABOUT 😭
slender nexus
next nymph
Sniper needs just a simple change or two.
Remove sniper class
Add guard dog class
That's it. That's all that needs to be changed. As he s
craggy ridge
😭
ok but that sounds so funny
daidwjaidjawiad
imagine watching a sniper pov on highlander and its just him waddling around the map for ammo
livid oracle
wait they should actually add that
next nymph
sniper jump maps
left sand
heres what id do: make bodyshots lethal because that would be more realistic
no more complaining about headshots
next nymph
headshots deal reduced damage because of the metal plating in every merc's skull
left sand
oh also id make it so sniper is mainly about watching the enemy from far away and recognizing the chain of command at that encampment, for days on end and writing detailed logs of activities and supply lines. then when i plan to leave, id shoot the highest ranking officer i could at a quiet time
next nymph
on headshot: if you're wearing a hat you don't take damage but the hat is destroyed
craggy ridge
oh also id make it so sniper is mainly about watching the enemy from far away an...
That's a Cloak and Dagger spy basically
left sand
yes but from far away and at no risk of danger
id make it so sniper spawns in a new sniper platform in the skybox on every map
and they get to scope in from miles away
livid oracle
oh also id make it so sniper is mainly about watching the enemy from far away an...
also you write a book later in life and get shot by a veteran with ptsd while driving a car
broken haven
sniper v sniper gaming
mystic turtle
on headshot: if you're wearing a hat you don't take damage but the hat is destro...
This is pay to win--
remembers the Ghostly Gibus exists
sonic folio
or give sniper a laser and delayed aim but thats cool too
livid oracle
or give sniper a laser and delayed aim but thats cool too
they should strap sniper to a chair and tickle his toes with a feather
crisp cedar
wtf is wrong with u
tacit flare
With the 64bit version of TF2, do you think theyll use the opportunity to update the icon and name from hl2.exe to TF2.exe?
Always found it funny that TF2 isn't recognised as a game, only Halflife2.
Truly achieved in sorse.
left sand
it would reduce performance
tacit flare
it would reduce performance
Somehow.. I believe that.
formal dew
if tf2 didn't use hl2.exe than it couldn't access all of the optimazations valve made to let half life 2 run on 2004 hardware
it would reduce performance
kind falcon
maza
slender nexus
zaza
kind falcon
dnhud
craggy ridge
lag probably
How if I had 80ish ping in both clips
proper tangle
I would just have sniper have reverse damage falloff
at close range, headshots do a maximum of 125 dmg
and just delete the current version of the razorback
craggy ridge
I would just have sniper have reverse damage falloff
this wouldnt change anything lol
proper tangle
Well, I don't think the class needs to change that much
maps do
but that is a whole other can of worms
languid haven
Sniper doesn't need changes, if you can't kill a sniper then you just suck at the game.
Fuck i've killed a sniper as every class, even medic. It ain't hard, you're just bad.
livid oracle
why is my game like this
imagine getting airshot by a lagging soldier
livid oracle
at close range, headshots do a maximum of 125 dmg
thats cringe
languid haven
Maybe take a sniper by surprise instead of running in a straight line
Or bonk, or bleed to knock their aim
Or ya know. Shoot at them to make them flinch. Only cause who doesn't deal flinch is heavy.
Unless it's the shotgun.
languid haven
Lazy splash damage is enough if you know how to aim and juggle him to disorientate. Even W M1 pyro is effective. There's really no excuses.
zealous pond
Sniper is actually underpowered
unborn pecan
sniper needs to be removed
summer steeple
personally I think insta-kills are not great game design, but compared to other games sniper really isn't that annoying
i guess i should clarify, insta-kills unless the whole game is designed around it
potent wolf
personally I think insta-kills are not great game design, but compared to other ...
spy op
summer steeple
i.e. games like CS where everything can headshot, with many weapons instakilling on headshot
like, sniper is frustrating, not overpowered
unborn pecan
how overpowered sniper is determined by how braindead your team mates are
livid oracle
tf2 sniper discussion aren't real discussions because theyre all just thinly-veiled rants about sniper bots in casual
summer steeple
true....
livid oracle
like does anyone actually think a sniper "can shut down a whole server"
like seriously
summer steeple
sometimes when you get those ones with like 100 points it feels like it
but thats not really because of the sniper
livid oracle
yeah its because of your team
summer steeple
like maybe that team would be losing if they didn't have the sniper
summer steeple
but also that team could be losing if your team was able to kill the other team so you could kill that sniper
rare creek
packet dropping
craggy ridge
also what hud is that? sunset or peach?
xhud
zealous pond
There's no reason to care what anyone says about Sniper, or any class or mechanic. None of the complaints matter when no action will be taken to address them. If you like Sniper just play it and giggle at the ornery people.
summer steeple
true
i'd be lying if i said that I didn't like headshotting and sticky trapping people
as much as I think its stupid that they're in the game
limpid panther
personally I think insta-kills are not great game design, but compared to other ...
I think there are many unsucessful or short lived games that would benefit imensily from a longer ttk
tough locust
I wish a plague befalls any and all tf2 devs or they trip and fall
0 people infected
except for poor joshua ashton
grim parcel
damn kinda ootl
just realized windows has 64bit and vulkan too 
potent wolf
damn kinda ootl
just realized windows has 64bit and vulkan too <:glub:9618888724...
well it only released yesterday so you're fine
formal dew
and it doesnt work unless you extract all vpk assets
grim parcel
well it only released yesterday so you're fine
ah i just hadn't tried to use that branch yet on windows
grim parcel
and it doesnt work unless you extract all vpk assets
im using it without doing that?
formal dew
on windows
formal dew
that opens 32 bit tf2 with vulkan for me
grim parcel
oh huh it is 32bit
formal dew
the 64 bit win version cant load vpks rn
formal dew
the exe will straight up not work unless you extract all the base game files out of the vpks into the tf2 folder
potent wolf
wtf
cursive peak
Did they base it off a positively ancient build?
potent wolf
i highly doubt it
summer steeple
well this kind of thing is why they're primarily developing for linux for this build until they get everything down for that
left sand
windows io be like
radiant merlin
spare obsidian
how
unborn pecan
Can 64bit apps use win32 apis?
livid oracle
why did you look up
spare obsidian
hacks,,,,
livid oracle
my mouse is broken or something and very rarely it will just snap to a random location very fast and it literally looks like aimbot with an fps camera
eventually it will snap to someone's head and i will get permanently banned from gaming
radiant merlin
nope
just to block an arrow
because of how arrows work, aiming upwards reduces the headshot area
livid oracle
i would simply tank it because im not a pussy
rare creek
i will make you one 💪
rare creek
my mouse is broken or something and very rarely it will just snap to a random lo...
lmao same except mine always snap to the top
livid oracle
glass musk
r/truetf2 moment
rare creek
well what are you gonna do, help the poor guy
and his mighty crusade against a long range class whose everyone hates but never care to think about how to deal with them
proper tangle
has there been any updates to the beta branch?
languid haven
like does anyone actually think a sniper "can shut down a whole server"
Sniper is the vibe check
languid haven
Can 64bit apps use win32 apis?
that's why the linux one is being made first. why even bother with win api when you can just make the equivalent that runs on anything?
potent wolf
what
spare obsidian
what?
left sand
Can 64bit apps use win32 apis?
what do you mean by that
do you mean the windows API?
if so, it has nothing to do with 32-bit
there are Win64 extensions to Win32 (which are just part of Win32 and just add a few extra 64-bit sized stuff)
but Win32 is a 64-bit library on 64-bit versions of Windows
green tulip
it would reduce performance
isn't the same thing going to happen because the new 64-bit EXE is named "hl2_win64"?
left sand
will it forever?
potent wolf
will it forever?
i don't see why they wouldn't keep it as hl2_{plat}64, like cs:go
green tulip
the only reason I can see renaming the EXE would affect performance is because of GPU drivers (and sometimes the host OS) and stuff applying hacks or other tweaks based on the EXE's name which would mean "hl2_win64" would have the same problem that "tf2" or "tf2_win64" would have
wouldn't it be better to just have what some other games (like Garry's Mod) have where both the 32-bit and 64-bit EXEs have the same name but are just in different folders?
green tulip
i don't see why they wouldn't keep it as hl2_{plat}64, like cs:go
??? is this how it's setup on Linux? because on WIndows it;s not like this at all
potent wolf
??? is this how it's setup on Linux? because on WIndows it;s not like this at al...
it never got 64-bit support on windows. how was it setup on windows?
green tulip
true however on Windows the 32-bit version was just called "csgo.exe" and for cs:go:s2 which is 64-bit it's just "cs2.exe"
potent wolf
true however on Windows the 32-bit version was just called "csgo.exe" and for cs...
on linux its just hl2_linux for the 32-bit build, and cs2 is a completely different thing because it's source 2
green tulip
also most other source games I know that have 64-bit binaries on Windows have them all named the same
potent wolf
which ones?
green tulip
Garry's Mod, Blade Symphony, and It seems anything on the Chaos/Strata engine/branch
potent wolf
nothing by valve then?
left sand
im pretty sure csgo got 64 bit on windows later on?
potent wolf
not that i'm aware of
green tulip
Valve doesn't have any 64-bit Source engine games on Windows and iirc 64-bit TF2 is not being done by Valve
left sand
i saw a lot of stuff for 64 bit CSGO on Windows, i guess they never shipped it
potent wolf
Valve doesn't have any 64-bit Source engine games on Windows and iirc 64-bit TF2...
the current beta has the name hl2_win64, so i don't see why they would change it
left sand
they would change it bc rn its to give the option between the 2
green tulip
im pretty sure csgo got 64 bit on windows later on?
csgo never got 64-bit binaries on Windows however there's leftover code for 64-bit in general, Linux might have got 64-bit binaries but idk fully since I haven't checked the Linux builds
left sand
Valve doesn't have any 64-bit Source engine games on Windows and iirc 64-bit TF2...
64-bit TF2 is being done by Valve afaik
csgo had 64-bit on linux and mac for sure
potent wolf
they would change it bc rn its to give the option between the 2
or they could keep the binary name and change the launch configuration
🤷♀️
potent wolf
they did that for csgo on linux
left sand
on linux its very uncommon but on windows its a death sentence
only the shitty proprietary AMD adrenalin driver on linux broke with csgo changing its name
potent wolf
oh right drivers
left sand
yes, i know the nvidia driver has a compatibility profile for tf2
based on hl2.exe
im pretty sure the amd driver has one as well
and maybe windows does too
50% sure on windows
70% sure on amd
100% sure on nvidia
green tulip
the nvidia driver's detection for Source games has been busted for who knows how long, it falls back to thinking almost every single game is "Half-Life: Source"
potent wolf
the nvidia driver's detection for Source games has been busted for who knows how...
does it just match on executable name or something?
green tulip
yes and no
mostly yes
it tries to do folder detection since all source games are "hl2.exe" but it fails or doesn't work properly
though the profile for Half-Life: Source has most of the stuff needed to make most Source games happy enough
it's missing some things that Nvidia added to the profiles for some of the other Source engine game profiles
stuff like Ansel and background FPS fix stuff
TL;DR Nvidia's drivers pretty much just match profiles based on EXE name and almost nothing else
formal dew
what does windows use to classify programs in control panel/settings app
green tulip
what does windows use to classify programs in control panel/settings app
the list of installed programs? it uses a local database somewhere that programs write to when they install themselves
formal dew
I c
spare obsidian
TL;DR Nvidia's drivers pretty much just match profiles based on EXE name and alm...
that's why some games that are yet or never release are added
for some unknow good reasons
i can bet nvdia for some unknow reason added hl3.exe despite the fact it was never release lol
unborn pecan
but Win32 is a 64-bit library on 64-bit versions of Windows
oh
I though win32 was somehow tied to 32bit
left sand
its just a new version of windows APIs from 16-bit
because windows significantly changed from 16 to 32
and then they avoided that
glass musk
so anyways are we ever getting the workshop community fixes https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse/?appid=440&browsesort=trend§ion=mtxitems&requiredtags[0]=Community+Fix&actualsort=trend&p=1&days=7
or at least most of them
void slate
so anyways are we ever getting the workshop community fixes https://steamcommuni...
Maybe, the issue is that its currently not a priority for the devs. Not to mention because of a arbitrary rule, any and all visual bigs items, weapon, etc made by the community can only be reported and fixed by the original creator, even if the bug is caused by valve poorly implmenting. For example the panic attack has a ejection port, the only issue with it is that its not rigged to the bone, even though its meant to. The Iron Bomber grenade you reload uses the wrong textures, also the valve forgot to rig the barrel to spin.
Furthermore, because of the tf2 repo leak we know that many valve's sources for TF2 assets which include all of the sources given by community creators are either outdated, missing/lost. That's happpens when you don't have consistent developer team and all maintenance tasks, such as maintaining repos, is de-incentivised because its not good as working on new flashy prjects that get cancelled 2-3 years later.
kind falcon
so anyways are we ever getting the workshop community fixes https://steamcommuni...
do you actually play team fortress 2
glass musk
do you actually play team fortress 2
not anymore
spare obsidian
what's team fortress 2?
tacit flare
Did you mean, Titan Fall 2?
hidden gyro
ITS NOT A NEW ENGINE
I mean it's like a jump to EFI
It's the same engine
Just some new performance features
slender nexus
“lemme rizz u up…”
coarse spruce
coarse spruce
Are there any other major issues apart from that?
potent wolf
dunno i dont use windows
coarse spruce
yeah same, the linux build seems pretty solid
potent wolf
next nymph
runic pagoda
radiant merlin
is there any 64 bits benchmark?
grim parcel
yes it’s 2x as fast as the 32bit build
radiant merlin
video?
glass pollen
https://knockout.chat/thread/57603/22#post-2121073 Gas Passer wetness might be fixed soon
radiant merlin
mmm
heavy solarBOT
@radiant merlin has leveled up! (21 ➜ 22)
radiant merlin
it would be the first balance change in years lol
everyone would be playing pyro like in JI
tough locust
hell maybe they'll make the thing recharge when you spawn instead of taking 45 minutes
sonic folio
pyrosharks have now evolved to be on land
formal dew
not sure what the beta branch update today did bc the vpk problem is still present
left sand
there was no beta branch update
there was just the addition of a 64-bit launch option in steam
formal dew
woops
jagged pawn
https://knockout.chat/thread/57603/22#post-2121073 Gas Passer wetness might be f...
is this a believable source (genuine question)
jagged pawn
hell maybe they'll make the thing recharge when you spawn instead of taking 45 m...
not getting it when you spawn is a good thing and they should nerf the mad milk and jarate to also work this way
left sand
is this a believable source (genuine question)
yes
spare obsidian
That's literally buffing gas passer in MVM, MVM tryhard would be malding lol
spare obsidian
it is lol
crisp cedar
tf2 players suffering is funny and good
left sand
afaik the gas effect goes away after ignition
small sirenBOT
jagged pawn
ah so it's just an order of operations issue then
summer steeple
no its a bug fix/buff, it just isn't considered as a player being "wet" when they have the effect
left sand
we dont really know
kind falcon
afaik the gas effect goes away after ignition
its the remix to ignition
languid haven
A 64bit launch option?
livid oracle
Tf2 repo leak
limpid panther
Tf2 repo leak
edit the picture so the legend is in the same message
craggy ridge
frosty gull
team fortress 2
livid oracle
https://medal.tv/games/tf2/clips/1TbiLlykIB0POr/d1337vtCwb8Z?invite=cr-MSx1TTQsN...
why didnt they just reload it takes like 2 secs
craggy ridge
why didnt they just reload it takes like 2 secs
Prob scared of spy holding w and taking self damage
Their spy beefed hard so it would have been a good play if he had slightly better movement since whip range is huge
limpid panther
coarse spruce
heh they renamed the branch
spare obsidian
they updated the executable icon, nice
left sand
tf.exe
spare obsidian
😭
left sand
spare obsidian
uh when i add -vulkan the game crashes
spare obsidian
i made a issue on the issue tracker not sure if josh knows but is better nontheless
heavy solarBOT
@spare obsidian has leveled up! (58 ➜ 59)
coarse spruce
hmm why not tf2.exe o_O
left sand
probably because the game mod is tf
coarse spruce
That makes sense actually
spare obsidian
green tulip
can someone send a full file listing of the 64-bit Windows branch?
I can't figure how to view it on SteamDB
summer steeple
steamdb only checks the default branch iirc
but its not like its very different iirc
its just different exe names
everything else is internal
probably
radiant merlin
holy shit
green tulip
I just want to see how all the binaries are laid out
tacit flare
Does the contractor have a Patreon?
summer steeple
are the x64 bin files actually compiled in 64 bit
spare obsidian
yes
summer steeple
oh nice
means that people won't have to run LDR and HDR lighting separately on vrad
cause on some maps it would run out of memory if you used -both
altho that probably could also be fixed if it just cleaned out memory after compiling one
it does them sequentially anyway
tacit flare
// Yes. This causes a memory leak. Too bad.
radiant merlin
//feb 2024 update: this no longer causes a memory leak : D
tacit flare
I wonder what dev comments the contractor will add.
summer steeple
// no longer sucks
tacit flare
// Shout out to Simpleflips
radiant merlin
rip
summer steeple
working as intended
spare obsidian
nice lag
spare obsidian
umm sir vulkan crashes atm in windows
radiant merlin
vulkan doesn't crash for me
but it is behaving like it was on fullscreen
but it is on windowed
i think that issue also happened with l4d2
formal dew
works on my machine
spare obsidian
vulkan doesn't crash for me
well it doesn't crash for me under HL2/Portal
potent wolf
and whats up with the mac builds...
funnny...
potent wolf
https://youtu.be/Oi2mvN7Fysg?t=57
they shipped a build from the beginning of the x64 beta but without videos and scripts
the final mac build 🫡
(probably)
potent wolf
they shipped a build from the beginning of the x64 beta but without videos and s...
aaaaand they did that with the linux builds too
LMAO
lusty ice
and whats up with the mac builds...
Oh yeah, by the way the Mac binaries are still x86 only, the executable+script were removed but nothing else.
RIP.
spare obsidian
good
unborn pecan
wait
does this mean like
cheat makers are gonna have a harder time without client symbols
Especially with the jump to 64bit?
lusty ice
and no more mac players
potent wolf
cheat makers are gonna have a harder time without client symbols
not really
tough locust
are there any sv_pure servers being hosted rn? Want to see if preloading still works
radiant merlin
surprise not big
left sand
no
potent wolf
😭
left sand
threads dont have settings
left sand
i put it in #dev-log📻
potent wolf
woah, thanks!
left sand
mac is working with crossover
livid oracle
its over
void slate
spare obsidian
intel is weird, in their page they say Intel(R) HD Graphics 630 only supports vulkan 1.2 but the system reports has it can support 1.3
like this is from vulkan configurator console:
- Physical Devices:
- Intel(R) HD Graphics 630 with Vulkan 1.3.215
- deviceUUID: 86801259040000000000000000000000
- driverUUID: 33312E302E3130312E32313131000000
heyyy can anyone with a steam deck check if the x64 branch works now
and if so how's the performance on there
formal dew
rip all the work jill did for opengl memory consumption
potent wolf
dxvk is just better
grim parcel
togl is dead!
wait did the update actually get released already?
potent wolf
no lol
grim parcel
god damn it
potent wolf
but we're probably close to release according to joshie
formal dew
hopefully someone tells driver people to recognize tf.exe in their driver packages
potent wolf
but we're probably close to release according to joshie
fuck i haven't updated the gametracking stuff yet
radiant merlin
togl is dead!
what's that?
potent wolf
what's that?
DirectX to GL, or dxvk but opengl
it's what the linux & mac ports have been using since they released
craggy ridge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNVN0pEx6fs
this video gets better each consecutive time I watch it
spare obsidian
@radiant merlin @potent wolf @left sand found the issue of why vulkan was crashing to me
running the game with -sw crashes the game instantaly
small sirenBOT
limpid panther
this video gets better each consecutive time I watch it
right? fucking awesome
craggy ridge
i think the TF2 community can be really united at times which is pretty sweet
remember when Rick died and they added the statue to the game?
Pretty much all servers became friendly for like a week or more
limpid panther
Pretty much all servers became friendly for like a week or more
and everyome was talking about how the game and the characters impacted their lives
craggy ridge
Pretty much all servers became friendly for like a week or more
how many online shooter communities would do this?
craggy ridge
will x64 tf2 break mastercomfig in any meaningful way?
potent wolf
It was broken early on, but it works fine now
spare obsidian
well the game crashes if you use -sw (Vulkan Only)
but everything else
it works fine
slender nexus
i forgor 💀 what does -sw do?