Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[limpid panther]

including mine

[next nymph]

nah start with the most trivial and minor changes. Then hype up the big interesting ones each time

[livid oracle]

keep saying there will be a big surprise at the middle and end of the video

[proper tangle]

Video starts: "So how did I get tf2 from this..." - shows fps counter at 60 - "... to this ... " - Fps counter now shows 120, there's a demoman doing the conga on fire this time

8h59min of pure code analysis

[next nymph]

bring back the faze fragvid airhorns

[hoary geyser]

I'm still confused on what the x64 linux branch is

[limpid panther]

After thinking for a while, I'm on the fence if this would be a good use of your time

[hoary geyser]

Is it just 64-bit tf2?

[proper tangle]

It reminds me of the series of videos that guy made about fixing mario64

He got nearly double the framerate on the hardware itself

[livid oracle]

plus optimisations

[proper tangle]

And that is after the famous compiler flag

[hoary geyser]

what's with the linux part of the name?

[next nymph]

as long as you go into it as a hobby I say why not, you know?

[proper tangle]

because it's on linux for now

windows and mac will get it later

[livid oracle]

it seemed cool so they added that to the name

[limpid panther]

because I can count on 1 hand the amount of people who would have the knowledge to engage with that content, and also the interest in that in relation to tf2

[proper tangle]

depends on how exactly is presented

[left sand]

thats ok

trickle down balance

you don't make things for the average player you make things for the top extreme

[radiant merlin]

https://gamebanana.com/tools/15988

cool mod or crypto miner?

[jagged pawn]

wait WHAT

this is based if real

[limpid panther]

cant you just firewall their ip ranges temporarily to force matchmaking?

[radiant merlin]

yes

[left sand]

theres also

some uhm

illegitimate way.

[proper tangle]

stop right there criminal scum

[livid urchin]

That has nothing to do with my question about new cvars. I'm not sure why you are acting so annoyed.

[left sand]

referring to this

i dont think theyre annoyed

you can check new cvars using cvarlist

[livid oracle]

yeah i meant the fonts

[runic dew]

ME in the video

thats ME in the video getting OWNED

you can also kick entire cars

[serene yarrow]

i've been looking for something such as this, super annoying that the built in limiter doesnt work for mvm

id rather just block them on my own end though although i don't rly know if it's possible nowadays cause sdr

assuming that program actually works I guess it is

[coarse spruce]

New TF2 on the Sniper runtime seems busted on flatpak, both the x11 and wayland backends fail to initialize :/

[potent wolf]

try the native package

[summer willow]

i tried and works

[coarse spruce]

works natively

[coarse spruce]

damn :/

[potent wolf]

Team Fortress 2 Megathread - 🐸

[proper tangle]

frog?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjpGX8eMOkY

[tough locust]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-gif-15112361227290036695

[glass pollen]

I went from 30-40 FPS in extreme cases on a Dustbowl first fight with 23 bots to 60-70. And that was enough to make it feel much, much smoother than normal in these cases. AMD Ryzen 2700, GTX 2080 in 4K. Definitely looking forward to this being put into live

[glass musk]

Now imagine if we also got the TC2 patches

[slender nexus]

I'm gonna test on my steam deck when I get home

[glass musk]

@slender nexus why did you confuse react me

[slender nexus]

whar

[slender nexus]

comfuse

[glass musk]

https://comfig.app/update/

this is what I meant by ''TC2 patches''

[glass musk]

I'd watch

💪

[paper sluice]

i dont get people who say spy is the worst class
hes not that bad just equip the revolver ez money

[next nymph]

spy is the worst class because i dont play him so i suck at him because hes the worst class

[tough locust]

is this in Team Comtress 2?

[summer steeple]

yes

[tough locust]

can't find it, the regular images just show up on the main menu. Is it a convar?

[left sand]

it's not in the current patchset but in a previous one

some things are listed which are in a second patchset but given the lack of confidence i havent really invested more time into preparing that

[spare obsidian]

i wonder does the x64 would be beneficial for the compiler tools?

[tough locust]

okay that makes sense :p was it done using the code to pick a class model or is it just done in the HUD?

[potent wolf]

i guess for simd stuff maybe?

im not really qualified to comment on it though

[left sand]

it's using the tf player model panel but i had to massively improve it to support a bunch of stuff

because when things are front and center you notice a more bugs with it

[small siren]

*because when things are

front and center you notice

a more bugs with it*

- mcoms

[left sand]

especially unusuals, animations, how weapons are handled, etc.

iirc its coded as a HUD element on mainmenuoverride and is then supplied info

so hud authors can customize it and it isn't available by default if the hud doesn't have that

[spare obsidian]

basemodelpanel doesn't play nice when its use in the main menu lol

[viral patio]

Any idea what to test for on the Linux Beta?

[limpid panther]

visual bugs in general would be a good start

[spare obsidian]

and gameplay

[limpid panther]

things like particles looking different

[limpid panther]

yea, there was some weird stuff happening like spawn doors not opening and stuff

[spare obsidian]

does payload works has intended?

[limpid panther]

has?

if it is working as intended? I dont know. @grim parcel posted some problems earlier today

[spare obsidian]

can't wait to test passtime lol

[limpid panther]

#1072696252162117752 message

[grim parcel]

trolled by the better codec

[broken haven]

team gangsta 2

[glass musk]

what discord server is this btw

[summer willow]

how is everything going? i didnt have time to check out

playing with bots i just saw medics shooting guns instead of syringes

[summer willow]

its possible to have wayland support?

also, the sdl2 library was updated?

oh, doesnt have anymore the libsdl with tf2

[potent wolf]

it's now using the one packaged with the steam runtime

[summer willow]

it feels better but now that is vulkan and using nvidia i get flashing black screens

[grim parcel]

i got that first launch and just

didn't again?

and it was only in the main menu for some reason

(driver 535 because 545 is bork)

[summer willow]

main screen is fine for me but probably just occurs less than in-game

and im using 545

[radiant merlin]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5434

bro still uses windows 7

"If anyone asks I got a hacker to help out with clips and info. And please don't turn this into a Windows upgrade discussion. I'm not interested, thanks."

[spare obsidian]

bruh

[summer willow]

lol

btw

[summer willow]

how can i control bots to test and reproduce in a better way to show?

[potent wolf]

It's already a known issue, but

map itemtest
tf_bot_add
tf_bot_force_class medic

should work

[summer willow]

oh, thanks

[grim parcel]

i mean at least the dude knows what people are going to instantly think

[radiant merlin]

kisak should answer: "sorry but win7 is unsupported as of 1 january, please upgrade and check if the issue persist"

[spare obsidian]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5435 who tf uses a mac mini from 2012 💀

[potent wolf]

If it's 64-bit linux i don't see what the problem is

[coarse spruce]

HD 4000? Vulkan support is spotty on that one afaik, should still work tho

[spare obsidian]

i mean is from 2012 are we sure its going to work? lol

[potent wolf]

why shouldn't it?

mildly useless since dxvk is just better, but you can still use ToGL with the -gl launch option

[spare obsidian]

i though they ditched ToGL

[potent wolf]

no

it's the same as all the other source games with dxvk

you can select which api you want to use

the only difference is that it's vulkan by default for tf2

[coarse spruce]

Will default to gl once the test is over I bet

[kind falcon]

togl will be gone

[potent wolf]

noooooo

[potent wolf]

why?

[coarse spruce]

I doubt it? Doesn't l4d2 and portal2 still support both -gl and -vulkan?

[kind falcon]

and what is the default translation layer

[grim parcel]

fr it's literally the latest ubuntu lts lmao

isn't that the only third party distro valve officially supports anyways

[potent wolf]

remember to use the steam snap for best results

[coarse spruce]

Good question actually.. if its dxvk then my argument is in the water lol

[grim parcel]

you know i really try to like

defend snaps

i don't think they're the worst thing in the world, and they do the job for your new user who just wants a functional os instead of endless bike shedding about horrible distribution issues

but man canonical has been making it hard to do that lately

[potent wolf]

flatpaks do a better job of it

[kind falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/763084739753279496.gif?v=1

[grim parcel]

100%, i just don't think up until recently it mattered too much

like chrome still worked, firefox, all that. new users would never tell the difference

but now they're just pushing it onto everything, trying to upstream it into projects that don't know much about snap and have literally already dropped it (happened to me personally), and are just making broken packages

[potent wolf]

https://github.com/Joshua-Ashton/VAudio-MiniMP3 neat

[summer willow]

oh, really nice

it updated? when i tried i was getting the .mp3 error

[small siren]

*it updated? when

i tried i was getting the

.mp3 error*

- _jakez

[potent wolf]

there haven't been any updates to the branch yet

[stuck locust]

is this a part of the 64 bit branch or regular tf2

[potent wolf]

64bit

also tcmalloc is fixed because they switched to mimalloc

should've used glibc malloc smh my head

[stuck locust]

libsdl2 is updated as well, right?

[potent wolf]

it now uses libsdl2 from the steam runtime

so yes

[stuck locust]

woo!

[grim parcel]

i wonder if this is why i was getting that new error complaining about uncached mp3s

wait a minute

I WONDER IF THIS FIXES THE ISSUE WITH SELINUX

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/2734

someone had the same thought it seems

[radiant merlin]

true or reddit moment?

[unborn pecan]

makes sense

I did the same test with portal 2

a long time ago

[jagged pawn]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

the future is now

[grim parcel]

earlier we decided that might be a reddit moment

we should wait until the kenajmarks drop

[unborn pecan]

kenajmarks is gold

[kind falcon]

imagine multithreading

[left sand]

very good news

seems like some performance fixes are being implemented

👀

[jagged pawn]

let's goooooo

[left sand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYMnBRJLRTs

[proper tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/heavybreathing-cat-gif-6111353

We having that playtest today?

[kind falcon]

no

neverr

[proper tangle]

Wait, he has how many secret saxtons?

kek

[crisp cedar]

whats so funny

hes going to save tf2

[limpid panther]

we do

I mean

[crisp cedar]

we doooo

[limpid panther]

nothing official with mastercomfig

just me wanting to try out the beta with people

also I dont even know if listenservers are working

lol

I've been very busy at work so I havent been able to look into it properly

[proper tangle]

We'll figure it out

I got my neon live usb ready

[glass musk]

really?

[proper tangle]

I dream of the day I will join a match and not hear: "Attention! (Expl-Explo-Explosion sound) Five minutes le-le-le-le-le-left in the miss-miss-miss-miss-mission. "

[limpid panther]

if that ever happens it would be so ominous

[proper tangle]

Stutter free audio is not a myth

I have seen it

heard it

felt it

[glass musk]

is this even possible to fix

well I mean it doesn't happen on decent PC hardware but the audio stutters still sometimes happen even on decent hardware

[proper tangle]

coms fixed it, although it was supposedly an unstable solution

[livid urchin]

On the x64 beta, I haven't experienced a crash yet with r_queued_decals=1, has anyone else tested this? I'm not sure if I've given it enough time. https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4225

[paper sluice]

Something something asynchronous or different thread or something

It’s possible but IDK exactly

And yeah I’ve played games where the audio doesn’t stutter while loading

[small siren]

*And yeah I’ve played games

where the audio doesn’t

stutter while loading*

- skyrym

[proper tangle]

seems promising

[left sand]

i would doubt that's true tbh

probably not enough time

[coarse spruce]

TF2 beta not launching under flatpak is such a cursed issue, I traced it down to libwayland-client failing on the connect call to /run/user/1000/wayland-1 with a fucking.. ENOENT?? (its obviously present and works fine with non-beta Soldier runtime)

[formal dew]

Didn't one one the mat queue mode settings fuck up how the console prints text

Maybe that was fixed

[coarse spruce]

Well I found the cause - what the hell is steam-launch-wrapper doing

[proper tangle]

it's best

[grim parcel]

flatpak has a finicky runtime, use native

[coarse spruce]

I use flatpak so I don't have to install a bunch of 32bit libs :/ and now even though TF2 is 64bit, Steam itself is still mostly 32bit

[grim parcel]

i mean you're installing the 32bit libs either way

most package manages are also pretty good at removing them (or giving the ability to) by filtering packages by repo/name/arch

[coarse spruce]

Well I kinda lied, I am on Gentoo so "installing" a bunch of 32bit libs would mean I would need to build a considerable amount of packages with 32bit support enabled, which quickly balloons up with the amount of deps they need. You can now see why flatpak is quite convenient for me :P

[potent wolf]

i am on gentoo
Well, there's your problem

[summer willow]

actually the sounds works but it has these errors

as said above

[left sand]

wait...

so youre using flatpak to

avoid compiling packages?

if only there was a way a linux distro could perhaps provide precompiled binaries natively and allow you to opt into compiling important packages...

hmm

oh wait!

thats literally every other linux distro

[grim parcel]

i always like telling gentoo users that rpms have use flags

always golden

[summer willow]

https://www.gentoo.org/news/2023/12/29/Gentoo-binary.html

[grim parcel]

For most architectures, this is limited to the core system and weekly updates - not so for amd64 and arm64 however. There we’ve got a stunning >20 GByte of packages on our mirrors

if you want a source based distro that has binaries, just use nixos it has like 400+tb

[proper tangle]

MAXIMUM OPTIMIZATION

only render if you are there

[runic pagoda]

You've heard of rendering only what the player can see, with this new technique we've developed, why render anything at all!
This new optimization trick is proven to give you a 10% boost in fps

[radiant merlin]

yes that is what areaportals do

[spare obsidian]

truly a master piece

[tawny gate]

finally, playable wutville

[summer willow]

i noticed that mastercomfig isnt being setup properly

but btw, its is much better for me, like, one of the biggest problems that i had with the game running at 5 fps because ????? and now doesnt seems to happen

[limpid panther]

I will be joining vc in a bit to test the beta

[proper tangle]

I'll be getting home in a bit

[proper tangle]

all right, booting up the usb

probably should have tested this yesterday

[unborn pecan]

flatpak steam is always messy

[unborn pecan]

I will join

[proper tangle]

Get the deb people

[unborn pecan]

or just

idk

don't use flatpak

[proper tangle]

Or at least, only use official ones

Steam is not one of them

[unborn pecan]

Did they like

change the branch TF2 is on

or

what

they totaly changed the bin/ folder

also

libdxvk_d3d9.so is by itself

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1085675210021281842.webp?size=48&name=STARE&quality=lossless

WAiting

to be updated

[potent wolf]

?

[unborn pecan]

I put in a newer version of dxvk than what tf2 ships with by default

whenveer dxvk updates

Looks like

It uses 2.3

which is the latest

[potent wolf]

Fairly certain it's just a change in the binary paths

[unborn pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/666008714393944064.webp?size=48&name=funkeHmm&quality=lossless

yeah probs

I forgor I am using mastercomfig low

[potent wolf]

comfig is kinda broken currently

[unborn pecan]

🤯

[left sand]

has anyone found out why

[unborn pecan]

you're right

I am suppoed to be on medium-high

[unborn pecan]

how would somebody go about finding this out?

[potent wolf]

its probably just some bug with commands

[left sand]

this

and

[unborn pecan]

okay I will try

[potent wolf]

renaming vpks doesn't change anything, and stuff is definitely being run

[slender nexus]

so is Gentoo masculine or feminine

[unborn pecan]

yeah

mastercomfig loads

but

even with my preset set to medium-high

it isn't medium-high

[potent wolf]

it's just very borked

[unborn pecan]

this is with soup

[potent wolf]

and motion blur is on 🙀

[summer willow]

maybe its a limit with aliases? because it kinda runs but only one part

[unborn pecan]

yucky

[proper tangle]

all right, hiccups aside, managed to boot into the system

off to install steam and boot up tf2

[potent wolf]

@left sand does comfig work on the windows build of the 64-bit branch? I believe it has the changes, just not the 64-bit part

[left sand]

yes it does iirc

[potent wolf]

hm

[left sand]

why are only like 5 aliases not working lol

[proper tangle]

welp, steam didnt recognize the windows files, redownloading the game

[potent wolf]

autoexec runs fine

maybe the exec command is borked?

yep

[left sand]

but many files are execing fine

is it a specific file size or type or format?

[potent wolf]

no wait i'm stupid

[tacit flare]

Would be a fascinating watch, even if people don't understand most of it. Sort of in the similar vein to Shounic's videos?

[left sand]

no

more like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6zJ-G2syho

[crisp cedar]

based

will watch

[next nymph]

mcurge

[craggy ridge]

I made a mod https://gamebanana.com/mods/492204

[slender nexus]

actually does look sick ngl

[potent wolf]

@left sand @unborn pecan

# autoexec.cfg
exec test.cfg;test2

# test.cfg
alias test"echo blah"
alias test2"echo blah2"

[left sand]

what does this mean

semicolons dont work anymore with exec?

[potent wolf]

it's really weird

if i do exec test.cfg;test it works

but not for test2

if i put the command after the semicolon on a newline everything works fine

[left sand]

so is it racing?

or like, processing commands in an incorrect order?

can you just do a bunch of echos

like

exec test;echo test3

echo test1
echo test2

and can you test on mat_queue_mode 0 vs 1 vs 2

[unborn pecan]

🤯

[potent wolf]

# autoexec.cfg
exec test.cfg;echo main1
echo main2  

# test.cfg
echo test1
echo test2
echo test3

results in

test1 
main1 
test2 
test3 
main2 

as for mat_queue_mode, is changing it in-game and then rerunnning the autoexec fine? or do i have to set it as a launch option

[left sand]

changing in game is fine

so basically execution order has changed

i would give this as a bug report after you see if mat queue mode is related

both the alias definition example and the echo example

to show its a command bug not a console output bug

[potent wolf]

mat_queue_mode doesn't affect anything

[left sand]

okay cool

[potent wolf]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/5444

[unborn pecan]

good job

[summer steeple]

wait i'm confused, the name of the branch is x64_linux_test, but it was also built for mac and windows?

[potent wolf]

they aren't 64-bit, but they have all the changes. except for the mac builds which didn't get the latest build

so only the original build of the branch has a mac build

[summer steeple]

what changes are there? performance improvements?

and i guess dxvk

[potent wolf]

dxvk only on linux

[summer steeple]

bru

so it is like 99% linux test

[potent wolf]

windows and mac is probably just a result of the build system or something

its in the name...

[summer steeple]

yeah thats kidna what i was thinking

I mean I know its in the name i was just confused why it was built at all

[potent wolf]

it also does have a few perf improvements

and a bunch of UB was fixed

[summer steeple]

what sort of UB?

[potent wolf]

see: my constant whining in #patch-pack

because they updated the compiler, a bunch of stuff that worked got broken because newer gcc is far more aggressive with optimizations

[summer steeple]

ah

[craggy ridge]

rate my pistol aim

[potent wolf]

what the hell is your sensitivity

[summer steeple]

pro gamer

[craggy ridge]

3.5

[potent wolf]

wtf

[summer steeple]

you'll lower it... in time

[next nymph]

3.5 @ 16000 dpi

[craggy ridge]

I played with 6 sens for like 5k hours

[next nymph]

whats your sens in inch/360 or cm/360

[craggy ridge]

idk I don't move my arm at all

it's pure wrist movement

so I can do a 360 without having to move my arm which is incredibly convenient

[next nymph]

yeah that means its too high

you should be moving your arm for broad movements like a 360

[craggy ridge]

Aside from health reasons, why

[next nymph]

i mean, it all comes down to preference, but the human wrist is just not made for the type of speed and precision that aiming needs, and the higher your sens is the more precise you need to be even beyond that

[summer steeple]

you will lower it... more

fr tho I used to have a super high sens and basically every year i've lowered it and I only get better

[craggy ridge]

I main pyro tho 🤷‍♂️

[next nymph]

you should also fix that, but for other reasons

[potent wolf]

ok so do we ban him?

[summer steeple]

my current sens is 3 @ 2000 dpi

[formal dew]

I do sens 4.2 for all source games and try to replicate it for non source games

1000 dpi

[summer steeple]

my 360 distance

[potent wolf]

what is this?

[next nymph]

was just gonna ask for the cm/360

[summer steeple]

how far I have to move the mouse to do a 360

[formal dew]

the distance between fiend and the nearest xbox 360 in the world

[summer steeple]

this is yours?

[formal dew]

sounds right

[summer steeple]

judging by the video, I assume puddin's DPI is at least mine of 2000

so like, minimum this

[next nymph]

even 7cm/360 is somewhat fast, as low as 40cm/360 isnt uncommon (we really need to get better terms than "high" or "low" or "slow" or "fast" for sensitivity because any word could mean either way)

[summer steeple]

but yeah i'm kinda the same as them I have a teeny tiny mousepad space

its all in the wrist

[cursive peak]

1.5@1600dpi for mine. Should be 6.1 or 6.2 inches/360.

[craggy ridge]

ok i'll switch to 3

just for you

[next nymph]

3 meters / 360

[craggy ridge]

btw im pretty sure i used to play with mouse aceleration lmaoo

for like

[summer steeple]

if this site is correct, 6.8in

[craggy ridge]

2k hours

before I saw the lazypurple how it feels to play sniper video

[cursive peak]

Maybe I'm on some other number. Let me check.

[summer willow]

kinda funny that attack animations is client side but inspect animations is not, or at least is just laggy when you're lagging on the server

[cursive peak]

I know what I did. When I swapped mice, I dropped in 1600dpi instead of 1800dpi like on the old one.

[potent wolf]

oh yeah thats a funny one

[formal dew]

I'm not huge on slow sens because my desk requires my wrist and hand to be way above my elbow on one plane so moving my forearm too much will be uncomfortable

carpentry desk moment

[next nymph]

that sounds like itd be hell on your wrist too

[formal dew]

da

[cursive peak]

Lowering my sens was driven by a desire for better aim.

[summer steeple]

ah yeah, that comes out to like 6.06

[cursive peak]

Dropped from like 2in/360 to my current sens.

I do miss how much more quickly I was improving when I was playing Highlander.

Over the course of about a season of UGC HL, I went from being almost useless with a Shotgun to an actual threat.

[craggy ridge]

how do you calculate this even

[summer steeple]

google

[formal dew]

duckduckgo enjoyers missing out

[summer willow]

there's a lot of weird issues that i dont even know how to report, on x11 it changes my monitor refresh rate to 50hz and freezes my screen

[summer steeple]

actually I do use DDG I just say google cause its more understandable lol

[next nymph]

you should yahoo it

[cursive peak]

AltaVista or AskJeeves.

[summer willow]

before i couldn't play on wayland so i went to x11, now i can't play on x11 but i can on wayland

[grim parcel]

are you on nvidia? that’s an xwayland bug with some compositors

[summer willow]

yeah i am but these are issues that i never had, and theres something very wrong about tf2 handling window

also im in a x11 session

[livid urchin]

this is happening for me on plasma with x11 using an amd gpu, hasn't happened on wayland so far

[craggy ridge]

What happened to the cart?

[hoary geyser]

your horrible settings offended it

[grim parcel]

fuck mastercomfig i need puddincomfig

[kind falcon]

thats normal when you cheat

(you are clearly cheating)

[grim parcel]

banned from uncletopia

[left sand]

anyone knows if demos are compatible with workshop maps?

[kind falcon]

why wouldnt they be if its the same workshop upload

is there such a thing as a demo editor

[left sand]

idk

[kind falcon]

🤔

[kind falcon]

so erm,... do you ahve.. the map.. donloded..

[left sand]

its not me

[kind falcon]

s

o...

[drowsy marlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/719071613907107860/1200482206632648866/IMG_6743.jpg?ex=65c6572d&is=65b3e22d&hm=45d893c9a45d69264452adc3305ee820d773d61210696f5112a15bffc3e26fb1&

[tawny gate]

he's just french

[kind falcon]

interesting

[potent wolf]

it has been fixed!

[formal dew]

🫡

[potent wolf]

also dunno how much of this is due to comfig now working, but breadspace runs at a solid 60fps for me now

used to get ~40fps

[formal dew]

Less bread

[proper tangle]

needs more bread

[left sand]

more tc2 optimizations 👀

[potent wolf]

were there some tc2 optimizations in the previous update too?

[left sand]

yeah

as far as i understand

[potent wolf]

sincos

[left sand]

also to call them just tc2 optimizations would be selling joshie short

he did a lot of clean up and reimplementation and his own investigation

[left sand]

no math afaik

[potent wolf]

oh interesting

that was changed in some way last update

[left sand]

oh really?

then maybe

i specifically called out trig functions to him and linked the patches

regardless

lots of good stuff

joshie is the GOAT

[potent wolf]

indeed

[left sand]

he got rid of the indirection

which is a step up

i called that out to him

fsincos isnt that great though

so i really hope this is just incremental tests

would rather a polynomial approximation

this is super promising though that mathlib is getting changed

[formal dew]

2024 is exciting for tea for two

[potent wolf]

on a related note parsing .eh_frame is painful

[grim parcel]

so

i did the cursed thing

i got an unstable nvk build to run tf2

[potent wolf]

nice

[grim parcel]

it’s actually sorta playable? but the frame time graph looks like a squiggly line

i would record it to get some updoots on reddit but whenever i try to capture the game window with obs my system hard locks

like just black screen with a cursor pointer

[potent wolf]

record your screen with a phone

[grim parcel]

is my client having a stroke or is the beta branch getting updated a lot today

like every time i’ve opened steam it’s updating

[potent wolf]

its only been updated 3 times

but steam seems to really like validating my game files

[grim parcel]

ah that must be it then

[potent wolf]

join the steamdb server so you get pinged for updates

[livid urchin]

why not take a screenshot?

[potent wolf]

look up

[livid urchin]

obs = all screenshot software?

[potent wolf]

🤷‍♀️

i'm going to start taking pictures of my monitor just to spite people

[grim parcel]

to specifically annoy you

[livid urchin]

ok, was just asking but I guess you just don't like screenshots

[grim parcel]

i was actually just lazy and didnt want to need to restart again in case something did crash

gnome's screen recorder worker just fine though?

which is surprising but ok

[potent wolf]

wow getchoo how could you be so lazy

[grim parcel]

it started when i was just a child

[proper tangle]

Optimizations being implemented means Windows will benefit from it beyond the use of Vulkan

nice

[summer steeple]

yes

[radiant merlin]

maybe now comp players won't have to use dx8 anymore

[unborn pecan]

heart rate monitor

[unborn pecan]

bro

DXVK does not support DX8

🥳

[potent wolf]

consider that windows supports dx8

and that comp players use windows

[unborn pecan]

No

That means comp players can't benefit from DXVK

[potent wolf]

does it even perform better than native dx?

[unborn pecan]

I think it depends on graphics drivers

but usually, for older games, yeah?

idk

[potent wolf]

oh also isn't d8vk a thing

[unborn pecan]

stinky

[summer steeple]

ok but how many comp players actually use dx8 for performance and not for the look

and how many of them are just stupid

[potent wolf]

yeah true

[summer steeple]

like its the same thing as CS pros playing in stretched 4:3

is it for performance or is it some other reason (usually misguided)

[jagged pawn]

stretched 4:3 is so funny to me

"it makes them bigger"

[stuck locust]

most of the people i know who use stretched 4:3 just like the look of it

it's either people think it gives them better performance, it feels smoother to them, or they just like the look of it and/or think they play better with it

[unborn pecan]

or they liuke b4nny

[stuck locust]

yeah that too

copying comp players' settings

[summer steeple]

ye exactly

[unborn pecan]

b4nny config is good guys

🤓

b4nny must know everything about tf2!!!!

[summer steeple]

comp players copy other comp players and it perpetuates bad settings

[unborn pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1105627858455506964.gif?size=48&name=SteamHappyDance&quality=lossless

[next nymph]

its true. i play with 1x1080 stretched because any enemy models will be big enough to take up the entire screen if I can see them

[unborn pecan]

comp players need to be hosed with hydrochloric acid

[left sand]

i like non stretched 4:3

sometimes

because it feels more natural

[potent wolf]

I just realized i got the ordering wrong, so the one on the left is the newest build

so it's now using the sincosf function

from the latest linux client (440) build

[proper tangle]

"It makes them bigger so it's easier to hit"

imagine when they discover that bigger monitors exist

One can only hope that after this beta goes live they just decide to axe dx8 tf2 into the shadowrealm

[sonic folio]

playing the same demo i dont notice much difference tbh on windows a few days ago, ill check it out again

[proper tangle]

the big thing is 1% and .1% lows, also, how it scales with player count compared with current vanilla version

[left sand]

thats what i saw on the right?

[potent wolf]

wait what?

[left sand]

isnt it this?

the green fsincos

on the right

[potent wolf]

the left one is the new one

because i fucked up

[left sand]

so what is this

[potent wolf]

thats the current implementation

[left sand]

so why is it a function pointer unresolved on the red

[potent wolf]

because i didn't implement the necessary stuff

[left sand]

oh ok

i dont understand the codegen then

[potent wolf]

sorry for the confusion

i'm just as confused now

so in the first x64 build, it used the fsincos instruction, and in the second build it switched to using the sincosf function from libc

[left sand]

weird

[sonic folio]

i noticed x64 build on windows having a more stable higher framrate from i assume 150~ to 185~ but im not definitive ofc

[potent wolf]

note that the windows build isn't actually 64-bit

[proper tangle]

Wait, I thought the build was for linux only

[sonic folio]

i also noticed this being spammed in the console on x64 branch

[proper tangle]

Or is it just the dxvk part of it?

[potent wolf]

linux builds 64-bit with dxvk, windows builds are 32-bit with some of the other changes and fixes

[sonic folio]

the sounds work fine tho so i dont understand why thats happening doesnt appear when i use none branch im not a professional but something something "invalid sample rate 0" is the audio not properly reporting or something?

[proper tangle]

interesting, good way to see the difference whatever fixes they implemented makes

[sonic folio]

do you know what sort of changes they put?

[potent wolf]

some optimizations

and a lot of fixes for the compiler upgrade on linux, which aren't really relevant for windows unless it's been upgraded there too

[sonic folio]

its probably cuz im low end and anything helps but that higher stable framerate is kinda major ngl

[left sand]

voicelines and music arent working

only because the library isnt provided on windows yet

likely because of vac or something

[potent wolf]

linux proving it's the best once again 🙀

[left sand]

some changes similar to the ones in TC2

[left sand]

i love cats

[sonic folio]

i see no wonder the main menu music is missin

[sonic folio]

wait what

[left sand]

yeah

[sonic folio]

by coincidence or ?

[left sand]

both

[sonic folio]

wdym'

[left sand]

some things were just a consequence of their work for 64 bit, some things i have reported and given patches for

[sonic folio]

thats sick

[grim parcel]

why though? i don’t think dx8 just being in the game is really bad

[left sand]

it is

[languid haven]

sonic adventure dx uses dx9 dude.

dx8 is just too old.

[potent wolf]

sonic adventure directx

when will they make a sonic adventure vk

[grim parcel]

just don’t use it then

[languid haven]

exactly

[grim parcel]

but sometimes im bored after like 10 years of playing and i wanna see fucked up looking models and uber

[left sand]

shader quality != dx8

[grim parcel]

i’m down with dx8’s removal then, i was just worried about losing out on puddincomfig

[potent wolf]

i thought you were cool, wtf

[formal dew]

dx8 is creeping up on 25 years old

[cursive peak]

DX9 isn't much younger.

[formal dew]

true

In fact roughly a year younger

Despite the big changes

Josh will ax dx8 next year

I'm feeling it

[languid haven]

that's older than me

[cursive peak]

I figured the DX9 requirement for official competetive was the first step in removing DX8.

[formal dew]

Strong possibility if mym wasn't an omega flop

[radiant merlin]

dx10 when

[spare obsidian]

https://vxtwitter.com/CipherlockYT/status/1744466064174657882 bruh

[crisp cedar]

is this the same guy who said theyll ask questions from internet to valve because they were going on a valve tour

[left sand]

well technically dx9 is newer

[broken haven]

tyler mcvicker ass

[summer steeple]

dx8 being in the game is holding the game's performance back in many ways

[drowsy marlin]

If that's the case, why is my fps higher when I use it? Checkmate.

[livid oracle]

the perf-boosting stuff from dx8 is available outside of it in tc2 iirc

like the shaders and particles and such

can also individually turn off the stuff that gets turned off by dx8

[unborn pecan]

i hate DX8

🫡

Screw tf2 comp players

they are some of the STUPIDEST and SMELLIEST and POOPIEST people alive

[limpid panther]

holy shit, wtf is this performance

I finally got to try the beta

[left sand]

joshie fixed a pretty big performance issue

in the material system

so its like pretty much off to the races

we were talking about it the other day, it was threaded access and he was considering a CSGO backport but it was gonna break mod compatibility

[limpid panther]

I see. I just got to cp_cloak for the hell of it and got upwards of 4000 fps

[left sand]

so i was trying to find my fix for it to avoid the flip flopping for material variables

but i couldnt find it so joshie implemented his own thing for it

[small siren]

*but i couldnt find

it so joshie implemented

his own thing for it*

- mcoms

[limpid panther]

I gotta fix my script and test this properly asap!

super cool!

[unborn pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/508272488610922497.webp?size=48&name=funkeuhh&quality=lossless

[limpid panther]

I'm so excited!

[livid oracle]

whats the csgo thing

[left sand]

HasQueueFriendlyProxies

[livid oracle]

btw is the threaded networking cvar stable in tf2?

ive heard it is in csgo but gmod had to fix it to stop it from occasionally crashing

[left sand]

which threaded networking cvar

[livid oracle]

sv_parallel_sendsnapshot

[left sand]

afaik thats not stable across all source games

i mean the comment is really informative

but afaik, the reason it crashes is unstable sv framerate

if youre consistently at 66 tick then i dont think it ever crashes

the more you go below that, the more chance it has to crash

[livid oracle]

i guess uncletopia cant use it then

[unborn pecan]

does uncletopia go below 66?

[livid oracle]

https://github.com/Facepunch/garrysmod-issues/issues/5316

supposedly this fixes it

[summer steeple]

fucked up, someone claimed my friend was a cheater, my other friend refuted it, and instantly both me and friend 2 had our games crash

simultaneously

[kind falcon]

me when i tell misinformation on the internet for my own benefit

[livid oracle]

me when steam auth ticket cancelled

[summer steeple]

does that cause a crash????

with no error?

[summer steeple]

seriously tho that server was cursed

a few minutes after I got airblasted into the ceiling and then instantly backstabbed by a spy on the floor

(yes i know how networking works)

[high current]

Me too. You hand your packets off to messenger owls and they fly them to hogwarts where spells are cast using your packets and the magic happens on your screen🧙

[languid haven]

just use vulkan lol

seriously ToGL gives better fps than dx9 and DXVK gives 300 fps. dx8 can't even come close.

[tawny gate]

is the dragon's fury still a lag switch?

[summer steeple]

no you’re misunderstanding, it is literally holding back performance. there are many performance improvements that cannot be added while dx8 is still in the game

also, on windows you can’t use togl, and from my tests on other source games, dxvk doesn’t help performance that much

[left sand]

https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2096

[summer steeple]

2008…

[left sand]

this eventually turned into Source 2

[proper tangle]

let dx8 die

bury it

[summer steeple]

please

[proper tangle]

i'll tell you, I got myself a 144hz monitor for the first time

Instant upgrade in games like halo infinite, overwatch, cyberpunk, etc

[spare obsidian]

valve considered dx8 dead back in 2010 we-re evolving backwards....

[proper tangle]

I want to see tf2 running at 144fps without it looking like a quake mod

[kind falcon]

get yourself a computer

[proper tangle]

I want to see 32 pipes flying smoothly through the air all at once in 6.94ms intervals

[proper tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/hit-floor-spongebob-fish-cant-take-it-gif-16897468

I got a 5600 but the new mobo hasnt arrived yet

[kind falcon]

zamn

hav fun whenever it arrives

hopefully no billion percent tax

if u ordered from ali

😊

[left sand]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1ac7ehh/bots_are_now_getting_vac_banned_this_is_my_mates/

bro what is this clip?

[kind falcon]

nice clip

very nice software

[left sand]

its actually fucking insane holy fuck

[kind falcon]

what are you on abouting

[left sand]

@livid oracle explain your incorrect prediction from 4 years ago

[small siren]

*@crawl space explain

your incorrect prediction

from 4 years ago*

- mcoms

[kind falcon]

in at least 5 sentences

[formal dew]

pbr 2025

[left sand]

?????

[kind falcon]

yes

[lusty ice]

Well, many non-technical people still see IT as wizardry so...

[kind falcon]

youre telling me computers arent wizardry?

[lusty ice]

If anything, it's a confirmation that people think they've become expert in something because they've watched a YouTube video and they make wrong conclusions that they hold as general truth.

[paper sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/427585130735992832/1003545684240236734/meme.gif

[left sand]

no one has ever made a good STOP DOING x ever since the original

no one understands why the humor of the original was so good

its just so lazy, every remix of this meme

[spare obsidian]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1088898832156348427.webp?size=160

[left sand]

no one understands the sentence structure of the original, how punchy it is

"Computers are made of silicon, which is made of sand"

???

absolutely terrible, why do you have to take so long to explain something so technical

[drowsy marlin]

We can't let DX8 die

If DX8 dies, comp TF2 dies

[formal dew]

the fire rises

https://tenor.com/view/bane-batman-gif-12311761

[stuck locust]

no, that would just mean that b4nny stays at the top for much longer

[small siren]

*no, that would just mean

that b4nny stays at the

top for much longer*

- Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz

[drowsy marlin]

who is b4nny

[stuck locust]

6s man

[stuck locust]

you can calculate the inches/360 using this formula:
360 / (m_yaw * sensitivity * dpi)

to get the cm/360 you just multiply that value by 2.54

so in steamwork's case the calculation would be (unless the m_yaw value is different from the game's default):
360 / (0.022 * 1.5 * 1600) which results in 6.818 in/360, or 17.318 cm/360

[craggy ridge]

What is m_yaw

[stuck locust]

tf2 setting

which has a default of 0.022

it's the multiplier for your horizontal mouse movement; sets the amount of degrees turned horizontally per dot (referring to the dots in dots per inch--dpi)

[craggy ridge]

Is it different for other source games like cs2?

[stuck locust]

i believe it's the same in all source games

could be wrong though

at least for cs2, l4d2, and the portal games it's 0.022 (although i'm pretty certain it's the same for all source games, i don't see any reason why it would be different)

[lusty ice]

It sounds like something you could hear from a GTA radio.

[left sand]

https://hackerone.com/valve/policy_versions?change=3711285&type=team

[spare obsidian]

how funny they change it when L4D2 has a massive issue recently lol

[grim parcel]

huh TIL, i figured the graphics api would be basically separate from everything

[summer steeple]

they're sick of paying people for portal 2 co-op RCEs

[proper tangle]

It's kinda ridiculous I get more fps from freaking halo infinite on a 3400g than in tf2 (I did just get a 5600 but still)

[summer steeple]

i do find it kinda interesting that they've basically separated this out into
source 2 games: 200-7500
source 1 MP games: 100-2500
everything else: "fuck off we're not paying you for reporting a goldsrc vulneravility"

also interesting that they've boosted steam to be $7,500+, I wonder what they would consider critical enough to pay more

[spare obsidian]

i think that's gonna backfire lol

because if you don't give a incentive people would save a exploit for themselves lol

[kind falcon]

imagine if steam restricted requests for accounts and not ips

🤯

[summer steeple]

yeah I think that is kind of a concern, like I get at the very least removing goldsrc but also dropping source SP games I think is kinda eh too

especially because you look at portal 2's updates and like

[small siren]

*especially

because you look at portal

2's updates and like*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

the majority of updates of the past few years have had fixes reported via hackerone

[spare obsidian]

yeah

for SP games is kinda dumb?

[summer steeple]

yeah i guess

for portal 2 there is co-op but I guess its kinda like

who is playing co-op with a random

[spare obsidian]

yeah

joshie is having fun

https://twitter.com/tholp__/status/1751025276094484856

tholp (@tholp__) on X

they added emoji to tf2

Twitter · Jan 26, 2024, 11:32 PM

[summer steeple]

shrimply replace GDI for feature parity

[spare obsidian]

technically this could work for windows 8/10 and 11 because of emoji rendering

[summer steeple]

yeah its not that windows can't do it its just that the current system probably doesn't support it

cause I assume its from like

vista or XP lol

[spare obsidian]

yeah lol

[summer steeple]

yeah

direct2d is the successor to it lmao

[spare obsidian]

ye

i wonder if josh would add cleartype for font rendering

[radiant merlin]

damn votes need to end faster

[craggy ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/875974363344699442/1200904207348273285/uncapped_edit_1706388245432.mp4?ex=65c7e032&is=65b56b32&hm=c3532837acb062187458c442c196eb7b21146f20ade996c0aa000507add9f8ad&

[left sand]

ive been working on better font rendering for some time for windows

but it's very hard

[small siren]

*ive been working on

better font rendering for

some time for windows*

- mcoms

[proper tangle]

look at those crisp competitive friendly pixels

[potent wolf]

rip

[unborn pecan]

Is font rendering in video games highly tied to the OS

Or are there cross platform libraries

[left sand]

theres cross platform libraries but usually you want something which renders things using the OS

[formal dew]

tf2 needs winui3

[radiant merlin]

tf2 needs nvidia reflex

[left sand]

we have setmaximumframelatency

[slender nexus]

setmeximamfards

[radiant merlin]

https://fxtwitter.com/Locar1111/status/1751359010387685485?s=20

yeah let's make some weapons looks like shit

[spare obsidian]

the death internet theory is real

[summer steeple]

I find it so funny that people think that these things look different for performance reasons

as if the current weapons don't use the exact same rendering techniques lmao

or that valve would remove something for performance

[cursive peak]

I'd rather get some higher resolution textures in the game.

[summer steeple]

that'd be nice

altho i'm not sure they were actually made at a higher res than they are in game in a lot of cases, so they would probably have to remake them from scratch

the woes of hand drawing textures instead of making them procedurally :/

[radiant merlin]

the brick texture is ugly af, even for 2007 standards

[summer steeple]

is the brick one of the repainted HL2 textures

cause imo those are the worst ones

[glass musk]

I just want higher quality shadows on older maps which will never happen

[formal dew]

i'd like a reconversion of w models to c models to avoid the minor quality losses that were apparent between 2014 and 2017 as weapons got moved over

my main want

[craggy ridge]

hold the line bros, killbind when you know a demoknight is going to kill you, we are this close to total demoknight death

[formal dew]

v models had a few shiny perks but i'm not extremely pressed about them

[next nymph]

they should optimize the demoman's grenade launcher to have the same number of barrels as the clip, because less barrels = less verts = more optimization

[radiant merlin]

it's pretty obvious that demo doesn't use the entire clip because he's drunk

[summer willow]

ew

[summer steeple]

I love that so many people are obsessed with the grenade launcher thing, as if soldier doesn't shove 3-5 rockets into a single barrel that most definitely could not fit that many

[left sand]

@livid oracle afaik the bottle breaking bug was known for years but they just hadn't gotten around to it

it was mentioned a lot on reddit

but basically a lot of functionality was lost not only because of body groups changing but also weapon classes were being managed differently

i remember jill talking about it before the crowbcat video came out

[drowsy marlin]

so now that TF2 is 64 bit, does this mean Source 2?

[potent wolf]

no it means source 3

[drowsy marlin]

incredible

[spare obsidian]

are engine limits on the tablet when it comes to x64 branch?

[small siren]

*are engine limits

on the tablet when it comes

to x64 branch?*

- Brodspy

[crisp cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-grimes-rick-grimes-hospital-bed-gif-17898758641524068132 source 2 mention

[hoary geyser]

rayne when s&box

[crisp cedar]

s&box shouldnt be called source 2 anymore. it is deformed beyond recognition.

[spare obsidian]

source 2 name is more for marketing reasons tbh

[formal dew]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-senate-attempt-on-my-gif-8987055

[next nymph]

i want the grenade launcher to look uglier so people use stickies more

[potent wolf]

i don't think theres been any mention of that

[formal dew]

i want a vgui sanity pass that permits keyboard, analog stick, and touch controls for all menus

🌈

[summer steeple]

tbh quite a few of the engine limits are arbitrary and probably didn't need extra ram anyway

iirc its mostly just that changing the values would require testing and shit cause it could cause issues

[grim parcel]

it should be called garry's mod 2

[left sand]

there has been, when 100 players first came out

but theyre not gonna just change everything all at once

[visual egret]

can anyone explain how this is possible? https://streamable.com/f0o1e1
allegedly it's an interp thing

low ping too

[sonic folio]

cant bring back the original v_models but they can fix the textures and use different animations like this

[potent wolf]

honestly the old ones look worse to me

[sonic folio]

definitely because theyre more stylistic and stuff and valve just decided to care less bout the original artstyle on conversion

[radiant merlin]

no it looks worse

[sonic folio]

tbh i kinda agree with you at this point cuz the flatter lighting just looks nicer on the eyes

but the minigun animation just ugly as hell so i recommend this mod https://gamebanana.com/mods/488659

[radiant merlin]

tho if valve wanted to add realism they should have added pbr

[small siren]

*tho if valve wanted

to add realism they should have

added pbr*

- ashewiki_tf

[sonic folio]

you can see the barrel like its 2007 without the breaking model replacements!!!

does csgo have c models for viewmodel arms imagine tf2 had them lol

[radiant merlin]

csgo used v and w models

[left sand]

cs2 uses c models

[sonic folio]

wouldnt that be a bad thing if the models were really detailed

does old tf2 have a different lighting system or something?

[small siren]

*does old tf2

have a different lighting

system or something?*

- thatgreenblur

[paper sluice]

no

vmt params and texture and mask differences

[sonic folio]

does old tf2 have a different lighting *

it seems softer (except for the weapons) or it could just be the confirmed map differences idk

[paper sluice]

oh well actually there is a difference in map compilation

[small siren]

*oh well actually

there is a difference in

map compilation*

- skyrym

[paper sluice]

something about the amount of light bounces calculated

something like that

[sonic folio]

is that why 2fort looks worse?

[paper sluice]

yeah

[sonic folio]

pain

[left sand]

its literally only 2fort btw

[sonic folio]

another reason to not play 2fort lmao

[unborn pecan]

valve beta content is the greatest on earth

[paper sluice]

slammin source map tools seems to be able to bring back the old lighting bounces so thats just a fun fact

[unborn pecan]

the old is the best

remember what they took away from you

🤓

Old Valve is amazing!!!!

[sonic folio]

wdym?

[paper sluice]

something about slammin source tools, a community hammer toolset is able to bring back the old lighting bounce amount/whatever else causes the change in lighting, whether its the vrad or some parameter it automatically sets

cuz the default tools dont have those old settings

[slender nexus]

double whopper day

[languid haven]

no, source 2 runs like dogshit anyways.

[languid haven]

they'll have to drop DX8 with dropping 32bit. who'd even use it?

[summer steeple]

people who like how it looks

[languid haven]

it looks like dogshit XD

[summer steeple]

yeah and people like dogshit

[languid haven]

HL for ps2 looks better graphics wise dude

[summer steeple]

the thing with DX8 is that like, valve doesn't like it or support it, and I kinda doubt they'd want to add support for DX8 graphics in DX9, but they probably don't want to remove it because it'd piss people off

[tacit flare]

So, will this be a update sized update or a festive sized update?

[small siren]

*So, will this be a

update sized update or a

festive sized update?*

- agent_alibi

[summer steeple]

good question

[languid haven]

then test it right now

[summer steeple]

i wouldn't be surprised if they save it for an event update

[summer steeple]

test what, how many people would be pissed off?

too many

[languid haven]

64bit test branch is installable on windows right now right?

[summer steeple]

its not x64 but yeah

it just has the other changes/optimizations

[tacit flare]

More importantly, is the potted plant being watered?

[languid haven]

so the windows client depot doesn't have it but the linux one does?

[summer steeple]

windows is x32 + changes, linux is x64 + changes

[tacit flare]

God imagine if they did public playtesting.

[summer steeple]

windows might be slightly outdated too idk

[languid haven]

they are

it's in the beta section of the steam game's options

[tacit flare]

Unannounced.

[cursive peak]

Eh, they know we spam F5 on SteamDB 24/7.

[languid haven]

i hope it gets finished soon, i'd love to see how people take advantage of the extra ram.

oh wait is sourcemod 32bit?

[cursive peak]

It's already being worked on.

[tacit flare]

As much as I'd like to be confident in that, it's not uncommon for Valve to have confusing and almost bipolar decision making.

[languid haven]

someone said they hired a contractor or something

meaning whomever iss adding the TC2 patches and fixing the game for the 64x update might not be a normal valve employee

[formal dew]

reimplement dx8 looks in dx9

ashton is the contractor and does a lot of stuff there

can't work on tf2 all the time

[tacit flare]

They should give them access to the Twitter account. Maybe a new short "Meet the contractor"

[tacit flare]

If this is the truth of the situation, the best outcome has occurred.

[small siren]

*If this is the truth

of the situation, the best

outcome has occurred.*

- agent_alibi

[tacit flare]

Thank you bot.

[languid haven]

that's a good quote ngl

[languid haven]

i rather implemnt torsion in the next man that walks by.

[tacit flare]

Achieved in sorse

[languid haven]

source 2 is much heavier and demanding. anyone wanting it have no idea what it actually is or probably doesn't own vr headset for HL:alyx

[livid oracle]

completely normal

exacerbated by your own ping + opponent's ping + opponent's interp time

[crisp cedar]

runs perfectly fine for dota 2

[glass musk]

isn't there a mod that brings them back though

[sonic folio]

i meant valve cant but yes there is tho it would break warpaints ando ther stuff

i only recommend custom animations and textures cuz they dont break anythin

[livid oracle]

do people actually care that weapons are slightly less shiny since l&w

[proper tangle]

I would rather they tried to improve performance enough to enable all the shiny particles and stuff that destroys your fps right now

also fix some animations like the revolver and grenade launcher

And the rocket jumper

those are what come to mind

[livid oracle]

enable what

[proper tangle]

stuff like shell case ejection on the minigun, bullet decals, water interactions

[livid oracle]

these are disabled?

[proper tangle]

no, I mean improve them so we can leave them enabled without them affecting fps as much

[sonic folio]

he meant he has to disable these for good performance and he wants the game to run better to have room for them

[livid oracle]

oh you mean through a config

[proper tangle]

you could say

mastercomfig

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dumm-gif-21398394

[sonic folio]

i teared up when the tf2 community looked at tf2's performance and said "We will mastercomfigurate this!"

thats one of worst things i ever said sorry

[glass musk]

no but I wouldn't mind the old shiny weapons that also revealed imperfections like scratches

I think there's a mod though

not sure if it works on casual

[lusty ice]

There's this and it doesn't work on sv_pure 1 servers (Casual): https://gamebanana.com/mods/205758

[glass musk]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/478997

[craggy ridge]

Can someone please send me the file with everys single skybox in the game? GFCscape isn't working for me

[visual egret]

this is on normal ping and i hvent seen anything like this in 10k hours

[glass musk]

@visual egret do you mean the part where someone hits you behind the wall?

[livid oracle]

it is normal

[glass musk]

it is

[visual egret]

that far behinda wall?

[glass musk]

yeah

happened to me many times before

[visual egret]

ive never seene someone shoot me for 2 seconds behind a wall

[glass musk]

it does happen sometimes

it's always bullshit when it happens

[livid oracle]

that is not 2 seconds

and it's not based on distance, it's based on time

[glass musk]

and I always just assume it's mostly related to the ping difference

[livid oracle]

it's because of clientside prediction (on your end) + lag compensation (on the server)

if you had 50 ping and the opponent had 100 ping + 100 ms interp, then that's 250 ms where they can shoot you while you perceive yourself as being behind cover