#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

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crisp cedar
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they dont

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fans are a headache though

drowsy marlin
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yeah TF2 fans are the worst

next nymph
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if you think its hard being a tf2 gamer, try being an alien swarm gamer and see how valve treats you

crisp cedar
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reactive drop:

summer steeple
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wait this wasn't planned as an interview?

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no wonder it didn't work lol

left sand
limpid panther
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omg I was waiting for a clip of his reaction

unborn pecan
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lol

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Apparently he doxxed himself in this stream

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which is why he took it down

left sand
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i get his point of view

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but i disagree with it

unborn pecan
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read his chat

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wheneer the door comes up

left sand
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yeah

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his chat makes it really clear its not in good faith

unborn pecan
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I disagree with his take

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"Don't put politics in video games"

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Bro forgot about real life

formal dew
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life is political

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things produced by life are political

unborn pecan
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truuue

crisp cedar
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the fact that it's political (which is bad) to say that everyone deserves the same rights

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is so dumb

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you cant "run from politics"

formal dew
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who is a human being is the zeroth question of politics

crisp cedar
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this kind of talking point

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is literally always used by this type of people

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if anything at this point

unborn pecan
crisp cedar
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the word trans rights

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i mean

crisp cedar
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the phrase trans rights honestly

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means literally nothing lol

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like its just a thing they say that they think is funny

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they either want us dead or want to pretend theyre living in a world where we dont exist

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just reread everything and realized i got lost and started saying something else

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w/e

formal dew
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the statement "x shouldn't be political" is what can be called a fake statement

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because the speaker doesn't believe it

livid oracle
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reminder there's a lesbian easter egg in cp_sunshine

crisp cedar
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what is it

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tell me

livid oracle
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i dont want to

formal dew
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lesbians love lighthouses

crisp cedar
limpid panther
livid oracle
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yeah it's the little graffiti iirc on the red side

crisp cedar
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oh u werent kidding

livid oracle
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most of tf2 content creators are gay why would i be kidding

limpid panther
livid oracle
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content creators as in like mappers not youtubers

crisp cedar
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because youre always kidding when talking to me

craggy ridge
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never trust jane

crisp cedar
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im reading about it

limpid panther
crisp cedar
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someone says it got removed

limpid panther
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because she is a specialist in cs2 subtick, so she is extremely trustworthy

livid oracle
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i think it's because of certain settings

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im not a cs2 subtick specialist i just assume how it works based on how coms describes subtick

livid oracle
limpid panther
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/s

craggy ridge
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so there's a contradiction here

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i know like 6 women who play this game and half are on this server

livid oracle
crisp cedar
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so...no new information

craggy ridge
small sirenBOT
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*politics in games

are completely fine if they

align with interests*

formal dew
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you can have a quality scale for art which exists in a state of partial influence by politics

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in that you can have art with Bad politics but the quality outweighs the Badness

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but it is uncommon

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because politics shapes aesthetics

craggy ridge
crisp cedar
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there are fun games and there are art games

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not mutually exclusive though

limpid panther
formal dew
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that one was too hard for me

crisp cedar
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hot take i like life is strange

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i know genuinenly noone

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who likes that game but i liked it

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maybe its slop but hey

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every feeding trough needs its pig(s)

formal dew
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they made another game called tell me why that i got for free and it was aight

crisp cedar
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i havent played that one

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or

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literally any other games besides life is strange and before the storm

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because i didnt feel like getting invested in completely new characters lmao

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i should replay and get into the new ones though

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theyre probably good too if they know what theyre doing

drowsy marlin
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Politics are art are like steak and fine wine. They go together. Video games as an art form is no exception

crisp cedar
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videogames arent necessarily art but they have the capability of being art

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same with food for example

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food isnt necessarily art but if you put your heart into it, it can be art

drowsy marlin
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videogames are art you bingus

crisp cedar
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i dont know if making a fun game is necessarily art

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i dont know enough to say much about that

drowsy marlin
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name a game without art in it

crisp cedar
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art i feel like usually has a message

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or something

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okay fine you got me

drowsy marlin
crisp cedar
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for example a videogame that counts as an amazing piece of art is disco elysium

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its fucking insane

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like its not just the visual style

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or music

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those are a granted these days in videogames

formal dew
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games must be art but in a way that doesn't mean game with art surgically attached on

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because people always say a game is artistic in spite of being a game

crisp cedar
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speaking of disco elysiu

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m

formal dew
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i can't imagine there is some sort of artistic antithesis in the nature of games

crisp cedar
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god play it

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play ittt

formal dew
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is good

crisp cedar
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its -75% off

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right now

drowsy marlin
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holy cow!

formal dew
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like the best artworks, disco elysium simulteneously makes you want more and no more at the same time

crisp cedar
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i swear to u it is genuinely one of the best videogames ever made period

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10 bucks

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do it.

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we will be great friends if you play this game

formal dew
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the end credits music hits so hard

drowsy marlin
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wait what is this review?

crisp cedar
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okay

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so

drowsy marlin
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what happened to disco elysium?

crisp cedar
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long story short

formal dew
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its complicated

crisp cedar
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yeah its very complicated but basically

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its a really really really long story but zaum originally was owned by 3 shareholders or something

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in 3 slices whatever

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one of the three sold their shares to the second guy

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and the shareholders that are like the actual creators dont own the ip anymore

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because they dont have the majority or whatever idk

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i forgot what happened already.

formal dew
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and theyre making a sequel without their involvement

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keep in mind that disco elysium itself is based on an estonian book

crisp cedar
drowsy marlin
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that's messed up wtf

crisp cedar
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u can watch this

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to get a full rundown

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its 2 and a half hours long

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really fucking long story

drowsy marlin
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so I should pirate the game to avoid giving the greedy bastards money then?

crisp cedar
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you can do that if you want to sure

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nice lol

next nymph
drowsy marlin
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marvel movies are art, but they're also cringe

crisp cedar
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ive seen very little movies

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ive seen ant man though

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kind of remember it

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i cant honestly say its art very much

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like

drowsy marlin
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my family made me watch Captain Marvel

crisp cedar
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its like youre asking me

drowsy marlin
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which was unpleasant

crisp cedar
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would i consider the mario movie art?

drowsy marlin
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absolutely

crisp cedar
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idk

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i think theres fun media and art media

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again, neither are mutually exclusive

drowsy marlin
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I use the term art very loosely

crisp cedar
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and theres nothing necessarily wrong with consuming fun media

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but you can easily tell when something was made with passion and a message in mind

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and when something was made to appeal to the masses in order to turn a profit

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i guess you can call it

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"canned art"

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because its mass produced like in factories, almost robotically

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put in cans

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heavily advertised, distributed everywhere

drowsy marlin
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keep in mind giant projects are the effort of a lot of people. Some are in it for the joy of creating, some are in it purely to get some cash

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so it's difficult to really put one label on a thing

crisp cedar
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aaand yeah not to discredit anyone for their contributions in something either

drowsy marlin
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well, joy of creating, and to make money to live

crisp cedar
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okay

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heres what i want to say more

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theres more art value in indie than non-indie

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would you rather trust a man in it for the love of it or in it for the cash

drowsy marlin
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for the love of course

crisp cedar
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so then

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go indie!

drowsy marlin
formal dew
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my most ~artistic~ games are spec ops the line, tale of two sons, stanley parable, and gris

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so mostly indie

livid oracle
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i think when people say a game is art or artistic they just mean specifically that it's novel

dreamy marlin
heavy solarBOT
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@dreamy marlin has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

formal dew
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Solid

burnt dragon
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I agree with the team recognition part but I hate how he goes "oh its that guy" and mocks the makers of those submissions, turning them to a board to attack by his no good community

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then while reviewing stuff sometimes he talks about a warpaint for 5-6 minutes, talking about how to improve it which is mostly good feedback, then going on ranting about a group of people creating problems

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he isnt the best person out there but I believe he helped a bit improving the submitted warpaints/hats

unborn pecan
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no

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zestiy needs to roast on a spit

burnt dragon
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lol

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why you believe that? I would love to hear opinions

livid oracle
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he and his fans don't actually care about workshop quality or whatever they just want to harass people and the Criticisms they present are only secondary, they only serve as talking points to distract from the fact that what they actually want is harassment

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i've seen this outside of specifically the tf2 community a billion times already

burnt dragon
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his fans are dickheads indeed

livid oracle
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it's nothing new

burnt dragon
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hecc

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'-'

livid oracle
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blame coms trollfig

burnt dragon
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doesnt let me send the message

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he needs to change his streaming style if he wants to stop the hate he gets and gives

livid oracle
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anyway when he's yapping about the trans rights door thing he's just making up reasons why it's somehow reasonable to be mad about it, it's very obvious because again i've seen this a billion times before already

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what he actually wants is for his fans to go out there and harass the creators of that map

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he can't say that outright of course (because it doesn't give him plausible deniability and directly inciting harassment is bannable in pretty much every platform lol)

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none of these people are interested in genuinely discussing content quality or whatever

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they just see something that annoys them and they want someone else to pay for it

left sand
livid oracle
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what notable map decals are there other than like

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the big numbers on process

left sand
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thats it

burnt dragon
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I just go for the vibes but I suspect I would play tf2 casual for a long time

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people cant detect any cheaters unless guy is spinning like a fucking beyblade

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even then they have a 30% chance to just not kick him

livid oracle
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people arent using the photo of the trans door anymore where it has the panic attack spread pattern on it

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that's fucked up they should bring it back

burnt dragon
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panic attack?

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like the bullet spread off bullets?

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is that some kind of fucked up joke

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or non colored 3 lines making trans flags like look

kind falcon
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stop gun violence guys

livid oracle
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the image ppl shared around the most had the panic attack decals on the door lmao

burnt dragon
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lol

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one might say they are having a "panic attack"

radiant merlin
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so the new background images are affected by mipmaps

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nice one valve

next nymph
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its always a coinflip if new hud textures will have reasonable flags

radiant merlin
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and the krampus one isn't

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XD

livid oracle
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remember when the class icons had mipmaps

crisp cedar
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just realized

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zestybros won

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there is no gmod in tf2 atm

livid oracle
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first and final warning

crisp cedar
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i totally forgot the filter even existed and that itd work if i added a single letter to the word

drowsy marlin
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MGE should be added to casual mode

radiant merlin
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zzz

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it wouldn't be TEAM fortress

spare obsidian
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Ashe is having a mental break down rn

next nymph
radiant merlin
next nymph
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damn sorry to hear

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can you ask the teacher to round it up, or if there's any additional to do for more marks

radiant merlin
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that mf

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he refused

formal dew
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😭

limpid panther
kind falcon
drowsy marlin
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just update VAC to stop cheaters

high current
# crisp cedar zestybros won

I don’t think they won. I think Valve just made their decision. Honestly I’d be surprised if Valve didn’t have their decision made prior to the release of all the hubbub. They’ve been known to make their own decisions regardless of community input, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Game devs decide what their game is going to be and even with open community submissions, at some point they gotta draw a line.

crisp cedar
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they didnt

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itll probably come later

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im just saying its a zestybro victory for now because it didnt make it...yet

high current
# unborn pecan https://vxtwitter.com/EverikReal/status/1733947769084084333

Also since the topic vaguely came around to this person: I think it’s wild they specifically say “videogames aren’t made to represent you” as if character customization isn’t a thing. And as if there weren’t human characters in TF2. This guy thinks every game is Diabotical where characters are just spheres.

spare obsidian
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i mean valve is full aware of z esty the thing is

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we don't know if they're gonna take legal actions

crisp cedar
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oh im aware of this

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we had like

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for like 2 hours

high current
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They’re not gonna take legal actions. If they haven’t taken open cheaters and gambling sites to court, even when they themselves were called to court by the US gov, the definitely aren’t gonna sue some guy in a wife beater

crisp cedar
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no but theyll probably do like

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the very first steam ban because of harrassment

spare obsidian
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yep

crisp cedar
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if they ban him its gonna be so funny

spare obsidian
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valve is going to makke an example out of z esty lol

crisp cedar
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hes trying so hard to cope with "oh ill just make a new account"

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like trying to pretend hes not scared shitless of the possibility of that

kind falcon
high current
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I think they’re just going to ignore him like they did delfy and every other person that has stirred up stuff in the Source community. That’s what the current precedent is so why would they stray from that

crisp cedar
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noone in the history of steam has ever been banned for harrassment

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so this will be a first

high current
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It’s not anymore though

spare obsidian
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gotta remind that valve do put people on watchlist

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tyler was one of those people that was on their watchlist

crisp cedar
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example: tyler

spare obsidian
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during the HLA beta build

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live stream

crisp cedar
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its so funny

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what a shame it never got out into the wild and he was the only one holding it

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i need the beta.

spare obsidian
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the thing is it was bound to happen lol

crisp cedar
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i need beta. beta content save me.

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pointless content that you can obviously understand hte reason of being cut please save me.

spare obsidian
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its funny to me to this day tyler shield was "because i'm drunk"

kind falcon
spare obsidian
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like what being drunk has anything to do with streaming a beta build of the upcoming valve's vr HL game lol

kind falcon
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them having p2p markets related to steam playerbase doesnt mean us citizens are going to use said sites to gamble.

high current
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Idgaf what people do with their money. But Uncle Sam sure did ig

kind falcon
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as i see it was more targeted at money laundering schemes than anything

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gambling isnt too far off from that, too

high current
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I’m pretty sure it was from the games and gambling commission or whatever that was

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You can look it up. Steam got in big trouble and they were late to reply, in classic valve fashion

crisp cedar
spare obsidian
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but yeah the fact is valve do put people in their watchlist it would be funny when they ban z esty account lol

crisp cedar
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stirring shit up like that is something valve would love to avoid

high current
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I put 1 scrap on it not happening. Not saying he doesn’t deserve it, but because Valve ain’t gonna do anything.

crisp cedar
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they dont have to be involved for goodwill other than putting something on the community news front in the website

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they do have to get involved when shit like this happens though

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because it directly affects how workshop maps are accepted

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and workshop cosmetics too

spare obsidian
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the fact that it literally made all valve devs and eric himself aware really says about it lol

crisp cedar
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like its not just some guy talking siht

high current
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Actually I’ll double down.
1 ref on Valve does absolutely nothing and dhammer makes a video about how he’s done with “the slop” that has “ruined” the game and moves onto making Fortnite content.

crisp cedar
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its some guy causing chaos within valve's own service

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the same service they use to pick community made content to be implemented into the game

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theres no doubt they will deal with him

crisp cedar
high current
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Yeh maybe not Fortnite. But some other ironic game

crisp cedar
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dead by daylight

kind falcon
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hello skibidibackrooms

crisp cedar
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hi zane

runic dew
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theyre probably not gonna call him out specifically that seems like a non-valvish thing to do

high current
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But I’m almost certain nothing will happen to him. Like I’ll give away all the Vaxee mice on my shelf if Valve actually does something.

crisp cedar
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oh dont worry

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they wont say anything

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i mean

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they dont announce their vac bans

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well they did on dota but thats a publicity stunt

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they dont want to say anything about tf2

runic dew
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banning his steam wouldnt accomplish anything

crisp cedar
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it will

kind falcon
runic dew
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it would make people even more pissed off

spare obsidian
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valve has never banned someone over harrastment

crisp cedar
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yet

kind falcon
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every day they come in to work and say. today we have to accomplish x. and so they do

crisp cedar
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you mean they work at valve?

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aint no way

spare obsidian
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its really funny when him saying "well i can make another steam account" makes him looks like this

crisp cedar
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its literally what ive been saying

runic dew
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pray for eric smith

runic dew
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i hope they do ban him because it would be funny

spare obsidian
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he's the reason why new workshop summision and their creators had to private their profile/disable comments

crisp cedar
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they wont bother reworking how the workshop works

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like thats a lot of work

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for them

spare obsidian
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they're just gonna take the issue from the roots lol

crisp cedar
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theres a non zero chance theyll ban him for harassment

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nobodys ever been banned for it but they can very well justify it

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its in their terms of service

spare obsidian
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they now had more reasons

crisp cedar
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maybe not like a full steam account ban

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but he will absolutely be banned from doing anything tf2 related in steam

spare obsidian
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he's now see has a homophobic

high current
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I give it a 0% chance

crisp cedar
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especially now that hes causing disruption in the steam workshop

spare obsidian
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remenber the mass dota bans?

small sirenBOT
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*especially now

that hes causing disruption

in the steam workshop*

spare obsidian
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highly doub they're not gonna do anything lol

crisp cedar
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they wont address anything, theyll just do it silently and leave

crisp cedar
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theyve always done those (not anymore)

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they just announced them to calm the community down

high current
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There have been literal pedos ousted in the TF2 community and you think a baby rager is gonna get banned? No shot

crisp cedar
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the literal pedos have not impacted the steam workshop

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not to defend them of course

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that and

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literal pedos usually dont have a large following of weirdos willing harass other people for them

high current
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Pretty sure the pedo engi main got a semi-mainstream news article about him, but could be misremembering.

high current
crisp cedar
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either way if youre an ousted pedo theres bigger things to worry about than a steam ban

high current
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And I don’t think he’s really hurting valves wallet as much as people think.

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Definitely hurting community creators. But valves wallet? They’re vibing

crisp cedar
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it is in valves best interests to pick whatever the community would like best

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seeing that wutville made it in i doubt it they scroll the workshop very much

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they just skim it really quick and pick whatever

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mass downvotes can impact whether community creators win the lottery of their shit getting in the game

kind falcon
runic dew
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tf2 is a drop in the bucket for valve they just update it because its free money so why not

crisp cedar
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well yeah

spare obsidian
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i mean isn't that already know?

kind falcon
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ok gn tf2 players lol

crisp cedar
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good night talon!

spare obsidian
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tf2 players when they can't grasp the concept of valve making money from tf2

kind falcon
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fat yoshi when he cant grasp the concept of me grabbing him

high current
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My predictions for 2024:
-TF2 Voldemort (I think it’s cringe we can’t say his name tbh) isn’t gonna be acknowledge by Valve.
-Bots aren’t going to be resolved.
-Semi-major update (bigger than summer update, smaller than JI) will be added.

spare obsidian
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the second issue is literally impossible to fix without violating the GPDR or the USA privacy laws

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is just a lost cause

high current
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What, the bot issue?

spare obsidian
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yes

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they're like the hydra

high current
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Add a check in game: if player is doing 360s and hitting headshots continuously, kick them. 90% of bot problem fixed.

runic dew
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i could see valve doing something about workshop vote manipulation because it affects a lot of games other than tf2

spare obsidian
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also valve technically also gets money from workshop submissions

high current
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A Vscript script could probably do more for the bot problem than VAC does.

kind falcon
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my predictions for 2024:

  • dxvk
spare obsidian
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bot fix: literally close the casual matchmaking lol

crisp cedar
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and play in uncletopia?? helllll naw

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jk i like uncletopia

spare obsidian
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you wanna be falsely banned like in CS2?

jagged pawn
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late but is there any reason anyone is expecting a ban beyond just like, he sucks and valve has seen it

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because this seems wildly optimistic

crisp cedar
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workshop disruption

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i mean

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literally all we know

jagged pawn
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whether he should be banned and whether he actually will are very different things

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bc I agree he should be

crisp cedar
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is that they know something is up and theyre working on it

spare obsidian
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valve with the recent clip of voldemort being openly homophobic has more reasons to

kind falcon
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too bad they wont apply vacnet to tf2

crisp cedar
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i mean what are they gonna do

jagged pawn
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I see

crisp cedar
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im just assuming theyll do the easiest thing for them

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which is banning him

runic dew
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the person in the screenshot said he was on a "watchlist" which sounds like a huge exaggeration

crisp cedar
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they dont really exactly do much high effort for tf2 anymore these days

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so my moneys on ban

spare obsidian
crisp cedar
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thats my entire reasoning

jagged pawn
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dumb question as someone who has never submitted to workshop: do the comments work the same as profile comments? like can you delete them from your page

spare obsidian
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tyler was an example of this

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during HLA

jagged pawn
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there's the solution then. that would take no effort to enable

crisp cedar
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let me check

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ok wia

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tu can

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u can delete

jagged pawn
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oh nvm

spare obsidian
runic dew
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i would think tyler is a bigger threat since he leaked company secrets

high current
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Honestly just add recaptcha to the casual button👀

crisp cedar
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they already fucked the shit out of tyler

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dont worry about him

jagged pawn
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but leaking company secrets is funny

kind falcon
runic dew
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jesty penis is mostly annoying for valve

crisp cedar
spare obsidian
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let me leak some military vehicles in a tf2 map and summit it there

crisp cedar
spare obsidian
crisp cedar
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tyler is like number 1 annoyance

high current
crisp cedar
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the tihng is

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tyler is annoying

spare obsidian
kind falcon
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are you guys any better than zosty besus. or anyone at this point

crisp cedar
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arguably

high current
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How many matches do they get kicked from though?

spare obsidian
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if i have a critice to something i said without using insults

high current
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Probably at least 100 a day per bot

spare obsidian
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or sending goons

jagged pawn
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no gooning

crisp cedar
#

heres the thing

spare obsidian
#

the voldemort ninjas

crisp cedar
#

if uhhh

#

if uncle dane said eh i dont think this fits tf2 but if it comes out i just wont play it

#

it would be criticism without incitement of harrassment

runic dew
#

i wanna be on the valve watch list whats the best way to piss off valve right now

crisp cedar
#

a whole fucking tangent explaining his point of view

spare obsidian
#

leak source 2 engine lol

jagged pawn
#

death of an artstyle was a very different video than what is done now

crisp cedar
#

basically

high current
#

It’s equally annoying to me though

jagged pawn
#

death of an artstyle was directed at valve, not at creators

crisp cedar
#

oh yeah that too

spare obsidian
#

the valve lawyers walking into voldemort's door

jagged pawn
#

the second it became "blame the volunteers who make free content for us" and not "blame the company putting zero effort into choosing content" it became bad

spare obsidian
#

i mean we're been dealing with that type of people ever since 2013

#

they where just a minority but now it became a big problem

#

like i don't understand why harrasing workshop summiters?

#

what do you gain for doing that

jagged pawn
#

a sense of power over your fellow man

#

that's about it

runic dew
#

because they can harass workshop creators and demotivate them but they cant do the same to valve

summer willow
jagged pawn
#

yeah real

drowsy marlin
#

why do people have to be meanie heads. It's so tiring

spare obsidian
#

i mean voldemort can't get his as out of /v/

#

because he gives that behavior

#

and with the last clip about that door it makes it more clear

jagged pawn
#

the door clip was very tame

#

are people just not aware that he's said way worse and that was him with a filter

runic dew
#

the chat in that clip is very telling

spare obsidian
#

i mean its evidence againts him lol

#

with all of the ones that people have collected over 4 years i think?

#

i don't remenber

radiant merlin
#

open fortress is so joever

next nymph
formal dew
#

54

summer steeple
#

I mean not all of those emails are them

#

just 95% trollfig

#

not counting all the ones in the actual update email thread

spare obsidian
#

oh my god that StealthMode guy

summer steeple
#

honestly, just block their email, set it to spam, whatever

#

worked for me

#

setting it to spam means i get no notifs, but if i want to read it i still can

crisp cedar
radiant merlin
spare obsidian
#

without music playing it feels incomplete

tough locust
summer willow
#

tf2 classic just dropped linux support

crisp cedar
#

like it doesnt support it anymore?

potent wolf
#

apparently, you have to use proton according to the FAQ

summer willow
#

seems its related to togl

potent wolf
#

I LOVE TOGL

radiant merlin
#

worst decision ever

#

full lambert is shit and valve knows it

summer steeple
#

tf2c is joever

jagged pawn
potent wolf
#

ah that makes sense

jagged pawn
#

hopefully proton works fine

unborn pecan
potent wolf
jagged pawn
#

it's just improved shaders

potent wolf
#

directx thing

crisp cedar
#

i never liked tf2c anyways

jagged pawn
#

I think it has some good ideas but is overall a worse experience

crisp cedar
#

just play open fortress

#

dont play tf2c

#

the only good thing tf2c did was 4 player teams

jagged pawn
#

just play quake live

summer willow
#

omg

jagged pawn
#

tf2c is at its best when it completely ignores its name. 99% of the time when they add a "classic" or cut concept it turns out that it got cut for a reason

#

but their original ideas are fun

#

unfortunately they refuse to remove the tranq gun so I will not be playing

summer willow
#

i wanted to play tf2c without 200ping

#

just because it runs better than tf2

unborn pecan
#

tf2cdownloader has an issue on linux

#

where it downloads the archive to /var/tmp

#

instead of /tmp

#

so it stays on your system after rebooting

#

I have a pull request open to fix it, but seems like that repo is dead

#

I got it fixed on open fortress's installer

summer willow
#

/var/tmp has more storage usually

#

i guess

#

idk how works, remember seeing something like that

unborn pecan
#
/tmp is meant as fast (possibly small) storage with a short lifetime. Many systems clean /tmp very fast - on some systems it is even mounted as RAM-disk. /var/tmp is normally located on a physical disk, is larger and can hold temporary files for a longer time. Some systems also clean /var/tmp, but less often.

Also note that /var/tmp might not be available in the early boot-process, as /var and/or /var/tmp may be mountpoints. Thus it is a little bit comparable to the difference between /bin and /usr/bin. The first is available during early boot - the latter after the system has mounted everything. So most boot-scripts will use /tmp and not /var/tmp for temporary files.```
#

Since it downloads to /var/tmp

#

you end up with a 3-5gb file just sitting on your system

potent wolf
#

wouldn't it be a better fix to delete the archive after it's been extracted?

summer willow
#

yeah

#

also if the computer just dies for whatever reason

#

i believe you can go back to download because uses torrent

#

and the variable of maybe is small, maybe is mounted on the ram, can causes more problem

radiant merlin
#

@summer steeple do you know how to spawn a bot with vscript?

summer steeple
#

like a tfbot? didn't get that far unfortunately

#

if you just mean like a nextbot (like for a boss), yeah

radiant merlin
#

dummy bot

summer steeple
#

ok i'm stupid and can't figure out what that means, do you mean a player bot or a non-player bot

radiant merlin
#

mmm a dummy bot is a tfbot without ai

summer steeple
#

ah, yeah i never did that, sorry

radiant merlin
#

i think i need to use bot_generator but from what i've seen, the bot still moves the camera

summer steeple
#

oh! did quick check in the code, looks like if you set the bot to be "frozen" it just completely skips all of the movement think code, looks like they use the entity flag EFL_BOT_FROZEN, so if you give a bot Constants.FEntityEFlags.EFL_BOT_FROZEN it shouldn't look around

#

@radiant merlin

radiant merlin
#

AddEFlags right?

summer steeple
#

I think so

radiant merlin
#

alright i'm gonna try that

#

thanks

summer willow
#

what about vpkedit flatpak

#

well, because why not, i trying just to see but cmake is terrible

small sirenBOT
#

*well, because why not,

i trying just to see but

cmake is terrible*

unborn pecan
summer willow
#

flatpak better

grim parcel
#

i think they also have a skill issue here

potent wolf
grim parcel
#

time to pr i guess

limpid panther
summer willow
#

wow big update in tf2 community hud fixes

left sand
#

we need more screenshots of the trans door

#

get a bunch of varied images

#

we cant just have 1 image of the door everyone uses

summer willow
#

for some reason i cant see models

#

spam some errors with opengl and throw some shaders code

#

oops

jagged pawn
#

game modes by number of maps in casual tab
CP: 18
Payload: 18 (assuming Camber/Emerge are year round)
KOTH: 14
Misc: 14 (assuming HAARP/Carrier are year round)
A/D: 13 (assuming Brew is year round)
CTF: 7

#

this is insane to me. surely they have to give in and split up misc eventually right

craggy ridge
#

Scream Fortress has 1 trillion maps

#

and none are splited

jagged pawn
#

yeah scream fortress is a big problem too but I'm not complaining about quantity as much as I'm saying "if 'other' is a top 3 category you are organizing things wrong"

#

I'm sure there's some technical reason for why they can't make vsh its own category for example but I have no idea what it is beyond "casual is hard to work with"

craggy ridge
#

30 minutes - 1 hour

#

its just vgui

drowsy marlin
#

Thats too much time for Valve to work on TF2

formal dew
#

Need to make a new banner asset for the casual category

#

And a few new strings

crisp cedar
#

@livid oracle

summer willow
broken haven
#

i remember winnig vs b4nny in mge like 2018

#

then getting 6 steam messages

crisp cedar
#

about how ur plat 2 in fortnite?

broken haven
#

then habib thought i was cheating bc i kept 2 shotting him

#

no bc i won

crisp cedar
#

only joking. i trust you.

radiant merlin
#

idk what they did to the tf2hud.fixes but now it looks like an intended custom hud instead of just fixes

summer willow
#

wdym?

#

theres a branch "fixes-only"

#

that i believe is the version supposed to go to valve

radiant merlin
#

oh right

#

i forgot about that

livid oracle
#

he misses 5 rockets with the liberty launcher on a medic at point blank range and gets crossbowed to death and then blames it on the medic's high ping (???)

#

what the fuck

#

there's more clips of him playing soldier and he literally has like

#

npc aim

#

where he just clicks on where they are, not where they're gonna be

#

i cant believe this is supposed to be who the tf2 community thinks should be the arbiter of game design

#

@crisp cedar do you have the "the bottom of my shoe:" gif

crisp cedar
#

no 😦

#

i was even looking for it

#

a while back

#

i mean maybe its somewhere deep within my gif collection

#

one sec

livid oracle
#

idk how to embed a specific video from twitter but watch the 2nd vid on that link it's so funny

#

literally missing several close-range rockets on someone that's moving in a straight line

crisp cedar
#

hes soooo baaad

#

im dogshit at these games too but he does this for a living 😭

#

@drowsy marlin 🧐

drowsy marlin
#

How did you know?

crisp cedar
#

the audit log is public even if ur not mod

#

im going to repost my video now

drowsy marlin
#

My God.

crisp cedar
jagged pawn
#

ping moment

drowsy marlin
#

I apologize

#

But that clip makes me cringe

jagged pawn
#

95 IS NOT HIGH WHAT HAHAHAHAHA

#

YOU CANNOT

crisp cedar
#

that would be the point of it

drowsy marlin
#

Can he at least say he sucks and move on

jagged pawn
drowsy marlin
#

That's what i would do

livid oracle
#

the medic having 100 ping literally makes him look worse

drowsy marlin
#

Why even use liberty launcher

#

That weapon is terrible

jagged pawn
#

me when I intentionally choose the crutch weapon for reasons unexplained and still can't do anything

drowsy marlin
#

Its not even a crutch its just a bad weapon

#

It barely deals damage

jagged pawn
livid oracle
#

i think he's intentionally using what's deemed as a bad weapon to Own tryhards

#

i would respect it if he was good at the game

jagged pawn
#

lol

drowsy marlin
#

Owning the tryhards is like owning the libs. It doesnt make sense

livid oracle
#

handicapping yourself with a worse loadout only works if you play well with a good loadout lmao

jagged pawn
#

I have a handicap loadout on scout and no one else because I'm not braindead and I know my skill level

drowsy marlin
#

I handicap myself by playing with no hats on so the pub medics ignore me

jagged pawn
#

LMAO real

#

I will admit that when I play med I just hang out around whoever looks the richest

#

I don't pocket them but I do want them nearby

livid oracle
small sirenBOT
#

*it also only

works if you're doing it for

fun and not for spite*

jagged pawn
#

oh yeah 100%

#

it should be like a self challenge not a "lol fuck these idiots they can't even beat me when I use this"

#

goes 1-13

livid oracle
#

i use the classic a lot because the gib effect is funny

drowsy marlin
#

You're a funny gib effect

livid oracle
#

its so funny how bad the classic is

drowsy marlin
#

Cant it one shot light classes though

#

Thats funny

livid oracle
#

played carrier

#

the immediate thing is like

#

as sniper you can just throw jarate at the giant

#

in fact you can spam jarate very easily from the spawn doors the resupply is literally right next to the exit

#

the spawn being right in front of the point is strange

jagged pawn
#

shhhhh no winning as red is impossible I swear

livid oracle
jagged pawn
#

I've seen it repeatedly and it makes no sense to me

livid oracle
#

idk if it's just because i was jarateing their giants as much as i could but it seemed very red-sided to me

jagged pawn
#

like I guess in casual when your team is stupid it's hard to defend? bc people have been saying haarp is blu sided too

livid oracle
#

a criticism i ahve with the giant mechanic is like

#

you have to walk all the way from spawn to there

#

why not just make it so the bomb takes time to regen and it's somewhere behind the first point there isn't all that walking

#

also having like 3 ppl camping the bomb spawn is dumb

#

there should be a few shortcuts to get it

#

so you're incentivised to actually play the game instead of sitting on the bomb

jagged pawn
#

it's supposed to work loosely like mvm so I get why they stuck with the whole single spawn point thing

livid oracle
#

the fact that you have to either die at the right time or camp the bomb to be the giant is very silly

jagged pawn
livid oracle
#

yeah i saw that

#

idk what they were thinking with that

#

the reason why ppl sit at the bomb is because if you go to the front line and actually play the game you will never get a chance

jagged pawn
#

yeah

#

I think the only way to make it work is that you get it on respawn and you're required to have died to an enemy to qualify

livid oracle
#

basically:

  1. imo make it so the red spawn isn't literally right in front of the last point
  2. maybe the giant should be immune to jarate (mad milk is fine imo)
  3. add a forward spawn for the giant but add a timer before it respawns to compensate
  4. add a few shortcuts around where the front line is to teleport to the bomb when it's available
  5. first point seems too easy to cap though idk if it's just casual teams being really bad
crisp cedar
#

we shouldve listened

#

the bomb carrier gamemode seems interesting as an idea

#

really its more fault of the map than the gamemode

livid oracle
#

i got into the turbine map and i forgot ppl played this mode like a trade server in casual

fleet kite
livid oracle
#

it has a timer

#

emerge doesnt seem very good

crisp cedar
#

"A black person's perspective on the Black Lives Matter movement" on Reddit

#

oh

#

i opened the link

#

i thought it was going to be either
a) someone pretending to be a trans woman, saying the door shouldnt be in the game
b) a real trans woman foolishly trying to speak for all of trans people

livid oracle
#

jesus fucking christ

#

haarp has all this shit hanging off of the ceilings that fuck with your rocket jumps

#

there's an invisible little lip next to the top of the yellow stairs that will block your rocket jump

#

ok it's very easy to grief in haarp

#

there's no way to like just forcefully take it from teammates

#

someone just took the intel and afked in a corner

left sand
kind falcon
#

no i think this individual really is a || n individual ||

crisp cedar
burnt dragon
#

I have no idea of the said person

#

just like in cooking, you might cook godawful, but you can help improving others cooking

livid oracle
#

it's more like you have to be good at cooking before you're allowed to burst into a restaurant's kitchen and complain about everything

burnt dragon
#

mmmm

#

I eat food, food has rat guts in it, I burst in kitchen complaining, chef tells me to git gut

broken haven
#

i eat food

#

team fortress 2

burnt dragon
#

yooo same

#

also cute pfp :3

livid oracle
#

i dont think this is a worthwhile analogy idk what can be analogous to having bad aim and bad movement in tf2 while complaining about its game design i dont think it's like seeing rat guts in a soup

crisp cedar
#

l-l-lego fortnite wife?

burnt dragon
#

you worded it a bit weird so I got the wrong impression about the situation

crisp cedar
#

@livid oracle found it

burnt dragon
#

that medic is god tier playing

kind falcon
#

guys. jeffrey IS IN YOUR MINDS. you are literally bulldogs ready to maul an infant. hes all you think about

burnt dragon
#

also soldier keeps shooting at medics feet as a rookie playstyle but oh well

livid oracle
#

i maul infants

kind falcon
#

known info

livid oracle
#

but i just revealed that right now

broken haven
#

rookie playstyle

kind falcon
broken haven
#

rookie cookie

crisp cedar
kind falcon
#

white women

livid oracle
crisp cedar
#

real?

broken haven
#

mge mod but for fortnite

#

call that shit my gangsta edge

crisp cedar
#

cool it with the epic games remarks

livid oracle
#

fortnite talk is forbidden in this thread

broken haven
#

is smissmas out yet

#

i havent played tf2 in like a year

livid oracle
#

it is out

crisp cedar
#

theyve added some interesting things recently

#

ud probably like it for a bit

broken haven
#

did they fix the bots

livid oracle
#

why would they do that

#

i think they don't have a navmesh for the new maps yet i guess

livid oracle
#

i think theyre just lazy

#

i got put in a non-asian server and saw a bot that's just sitting in spawn

kind falcon
#

noob hoster

broken haven
#

tf2 time

#

wtf i dont even remember launching it

#

LMFAOOOO

kind falcon
broken haven
#

im so skibidi

kind falcon
#

no

#

blanket

#

go do weed and crack

crisp cedar
#

uh

broken haven
#

bet

crisp cedar
#

cool it with the anti homeless remarks talon

kind falcon
#

"anti homeless remarks"

crisp cedar
#

theyve yet to do any harm to anyone

kind falcon
#

no those crazy la hobos be harming my mental health

#

soulsuckers

broken haven
#

80 dolar rocket lawnchair

kind falcon
#

dolar

crisp cedar
#

refrain from comparing a relatively normal person to an abusive, selfish person much talon 😊

kind falcon
crisp cedar
#

just to nudge u. in the right direction.

kind falcon
#

@broken haven hop on fort?

crisp cedar
#

np

broken haven
#

why bother playing this fuckin game LMFAOOOOO

kind falcon
#

@broken haven hello?

broken haven
#

hello

kind falcon
#

fortntie?

broken haven
#

im playing team fortress too

kind falcon
#

why

drowsy marlin
#

Valve should patch the bots

#

They ruin gameplay and thats not good

broken haven
#

bc i wont to

kind falcon
#

wow

#

loser...

#

or winner

broken haven
#

me when i have to play UNCLETOPIA to play tf2

drowsy marlin
#

If TF2 was updated to Source 2, would that get rid of the bots?

crisp cedar
#

why would it

drowsy marlin
#

I dunno

drowsy marlin
#

Does CS2 have a cheating problem?

crisp cedar
#

yes

broken haven
#

a lil

crisp cedar
#

but nowhere near as bad

#

i think

#

idk i dont play cs2

#

it has a cheating problem but nothing like what tf2s got

broken haven
#

valve cares more abt cs2 than tf2 😭

#

bots been around for like 5 years atp

crisp cedar
#

valve cares more about cs2 than dota 😭

#

its bitter but you learn to accept it and move on

#

why wait for someone to fix your problems when you can take matters into your own hands

broken haven
#

it never ends

crisp cedar
#

go to uncletopia

#

i dont bother with casual

broken haven
#

fucked up playing the furry pound

#

i hate sniper class!!!!!

broken haven
#

we are not saving tf2

crisp cedar
crisp cedar
#

there is nothing youre trying to tell me

limpid panther
livid oracle
drowsy marlin
#

WAIT

#

the reskinned nucleus has a cute kitty cat!

#

holy cow!

kind falcon
#

jeffrey is a pedo

#

cool

livid oracle
#

i dont think thats cool

kind falcon
#

hes still in your head

#

latinx wget

crisp cedar
#

talon you just say things sometimes

kind falcon
#

facts and logic

left sand
drowsy marlin
#

incredible

livid oracle
#

each galleria match ive been in people just sat around the same spot and used taunts

kind falcon
#

gatito

livid oracle
#

i guess gives me good opportunities to look around the map

left sand
#

and got his cat made fun of

drowsy marlin
#

D:

crisp cedar
#

what

#

why

#

lmfao why

#

whatd they do

left sand
#

make funny cosmetics

crisp cedar
#

some people

left sand
#

so him getting this into the game

#

its really nice to have something positive

crisp cedar
#

yeah good for the guy now that u mention all that

livid oracle
#

i didnt know about the backstory wtf

drowsy marlin
#

because they don't

left sand
#

they do

kind falcon
#

dame dame

livid oracle
#

why were they making fun of the cat???

left sand
#

for being dead

livid oracle
#

???

#

are they seriously that petty over tf2 hats

left sand
#

they found pictures of the cat and kept harassing him

drowsy marlin
#

heartless sons of bitches

broken haven
#

???

#

are tf2 fans OKAY

left sand
#

with like reminders his cat is dead

slender nexus
left sand
broken haven
#

wtf

crisp cedar
#

why does this community think it deserves anything

kind falcon
#

bad game

livid oracle
crisp cedar
#

not really

#

thats on point

#

dont think it can be described any more accurately

left sand
#

he's just a fuckwit

cursive peak
#

I blame the memes. Memelords are trash, and the memes just attracts them. Melts their brains.

crisp cedar
#

i feel like its really easy to manipulate people via memes but i dont think this is a meme

#

this is straight up rallying people with the intent of harassment

#

impossible to sugarcoat

spare obsidian
#

i blame Voldemort and cracked head for being the bane of all evil of this community

kind falcon
#

i blame this games' art style for attracting children

radiant merlin
#

war pig: 2012

#

horace: 2014

#

LOL

spare obsidian
#

battle of the mid

kind falcon
#

default soldier hat: 2006
googly hat: 2021

broken haven
#

tf2 video essay

spare obsidian
#

battle of the mid: the video

high current
# summer willow in the customization i saw that it is using `cl_mainhud_safemode`, what is this?

I don’t think anyone has answered you yet, but to the best of my knowledge the main menu safemode is supposed to be shown when Windows OS is started in safemode and you open TF2. Which I guess could mess up some things in game, but doesn’t safemode disable applications such as TF2? Idk

But its use in custom huds is that it’s a main menu element that is togglable with a game command. Which makes it really useful for making a custom menu, as normally you can’t cause things to appear on the main menu on the fly as it’d require a hard reload, such as toggling antialiasing, changing resolution, etc. So huds will sometimes put a customization menu or put the friendslist inside the safemode panel, that way they CAN be toggle on/off.
As far as I know, the command only shows/hides the safemode panel, I don’t think it affects anything in the actual function of the game.

left sand
#

safe mode is a developer testing panel

#

mostly for Xbox 360 TV screen testing

high current
#

Oh weird. I wonder why they called it safemode then

left sand
#

because of safe area of the display

#

its a term to refer to the area of the presentation which is visible by all TVs

#

since some TVs will cut off part of the borders

#

same principle applies to safe areas in documents

#

there is a margin where you dont want content because paper/printers will cut it off or itll be lost in scans, etc

high current
#

Ohhhhh that makes sense. Sounds like a pain in the dinkleberg to develop around

#

But convenient that the command does what it does

craggy ridge
# crisp cedar

why is everyone dunking on him because he is bad at the game

small sirenBOT
#

*why is everyone

dunking on him because he

is bad at the game*

craggy ridge
#

40% of the people that i interact on pubs play like this

#

also this is a really old clip

#

yeah tobashi's video was 2 years ago

high current
#

TBH that tweet isn't great. It's just clowning on him for getting mad at things everyone gets frustrated at. Dying to huntsman, calling someone with 90 ping laggy, dying to airblast, it's frustrating and I've been frustrated about the same things on stream before.
They're also like 2 year old clips according to the comments. IDK when the last time this guy streamed was, but I know there have to be more recent clips of him getting mad.

I just don't think he is worth the attention at this point.

craggy ridge
#

the clips are straight up recorded from Tobashi's video

#

this is peak btw

radiant merlin
broken haven
#

w rizz

radiant merlin
spare obsidian
summer steeple
runic dew
high current
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keys always plummet in price in mid december, people quick sell/buy keys in december to afford gifts for people I assume.

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You can easily make like 30% profit buying keys in december and selling in janurary/feburary.

summer steeple
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ah yeah true

drowsy marlin
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Infinite money glitch

unborn pecan
broken haven
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i got banned from the discord

jagged pawn
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lol

unborn pecan
summer steeple
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too furry

craggy ridge
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tf2 Portuguese version of weapons go hard

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Baby Face's Blaster becomes The Degenerate's Destroyer

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The Winger becomes Ala

formal dew
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whats the fortified compound called

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thats my favorite weapon name because its a 4 way pun

craggy ridge
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Fortified Compost Bow

jagged pawn
craggy ridge
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Unarmed Combat becomes Arm Wrestling

formal dew
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fortified compound is a kind of drug

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fortified compound also refers to the literal fortified compounds that are tf2 maps

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and it's a compound bow with armor on it

craggy ridge
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Rocket Jumper turns into Training Rocket Launcher

formal dew
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i dont think there's actually a 4th one

jagged pawn
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LMAO

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that's what I was wondering

craggy ridge
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Beggar's Bazooka is The Lamentable's Rocket Launcher

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Equalizer is the Compensator

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Pain Train is wild, they translated it to "It's A Sick, It's A Nail"

small sirenBOT
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*Pain Train is wild, they

translated it to "It's a

stick, it's a nail"*

jagged pawn
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these mostly sound worse lmao

potent wolf
# jagged pawn LMAO

Because it's a promotional weapon, I think they were going for "Fortified" as in "strengthened," but also "Fortified" as in "brought into Team Fortress", because it's a compound bow from another game turned into a reskin. By making it a Team Fortress reskin, they "fortified" the compound.
stolen from someone on reddit

jagged pawn
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that's clever but also I somehow do not think it was intended

potent wolf
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🤷‍♀️

craggy ridge
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Killing Gloves of Boxing is now Krits Guaranteed on Boxing

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which is really cute because they kept the Acronym

formal dew
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i was gonna say you could really stretch it and point out how it became stylized in tf2 in that it was "team fortressized" or "fortified"

craggy ridge
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there are some translations that are really smart but only work in portuguese

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Jag becomes Denture

summer willow
craggy ridge
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Razorback is Anti-Knife Shield lmao

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Dude the Big Kill is RevĂłlver Bom Pra Cachorro

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Which could both mean "Good As Hell Revolver"

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and "A Good Revolver For Dogs"

summer willow
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SDFHSDLGKASDGFHSKDF

craggy ridge
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Enforcer is a weird one