Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[summer steeple]

but yeah, thats just sigmod, i bet rafmod has added even more

[small siren]

*why does bunnyhop

require constant blabla

acceleration*

- lowrule

[summer steeple]

because we can't change the actual movement code, so vscript would have to set your momentum when you jump

[kind falcon]

is it similar to sourcemod plugins in that way

[summer steeple]

idk

[summer steeple]

the biggest thing sourcemod has over vscript is being able to intercept function calls

vscript it always happens after they happen

so you have to work around the default implementation

it looks like the way sigmod/rafmod does it is by just... telling the function that stops bhops to not run

I'm surei f someone wanted to, they could create like a utils library for a lot of these things in vscript

but the bonus to sigmod having this built in is that you don't have to ship every campaign with a massive utils vscript file

and for devs, it means you don't have to have that downloaded, and test with it, etc.

you can run vscript on the servers end, or on the maps end

with sigmod the server just runs it and its over with

with vscript you can i guess implement checks to see if the script is already running and then run it if its not

but its just quicker, cleaner, and easier with sigmod

which goes for... basically everything i've talked about here

oh and actually

you kind of CANT do this shit in vscript i just realized

because sigmod lets you change these things from the popfile

vscript does not have access to the popfile, you would have to do things map wide

I guess you CAN have the popfile run I/O which runs a script

but its once again, quicker, cleaner, and easier with sigmod

[drowsy marlin]

What is sigmod?

Like cigarettes?

[summer steeple]

a sourcemod plugin that extends MVM

[drowsy marlin]

Who made it?

[summer steeple]

sigsegv

[drowsy marlin]

Woah

[orchid sorrel]

sigsegv made sigmod, and its currently updated/maintained by rafradek

[left sand]

https://youtu.be/94jWxeEb9sk

[summer steeple]

fun thing I just noticed while looking through the vscript cvar allowlist

there's a lot of devonly cvars here

i don't know if they work, but they're still hidden from the console itself

[small siren]

*i don't know if they

work, but they're still hidden from

the console itself*

- treacherousfiend

[potent wolf]

huh

[summer steeple]

they absolutely do

most notably, weapon related cvars

like medigun ones

[potent wolf]

i noticed that one

can you actually change them though?

[summer steeple]

yes

[potent wolf]

interesting

[summer steeple]

its kind of annoying because in some cases you can't tell wtf the cvar is supposed to do without looking at the leaked code

[potent wolf]

would be worse without the code

[summer steeple]

true

there's also some cvars which don't even exist in the leaked code

i can't find anything on tf_caplinear

[potent wolf]

game/shared/tf/tf_gamerules.cpp

it's in there

[summer steeple]

ok blame github

my local copy of the code was on my harddrive that died

[next nymph]

yes github supports git blame

[summer steeple]

are you sure?

i still don't see it

[next nymph]

right here

[potent wolf]

line 476

[summer steeple]

thats an empty line

[potent wolf]

are you sure your copy of the code is...

[summer steeple]

I'm looking at TC2 and the baseline leaked code

[potent wolf]

476:ConVar tf_caplinear( "tf_caplinear", "1", FCVAR_REPLICATED | FCVAR_DEVELOPMENTONLY, "If set to 1, teams must capture control points linearly." );

[summer steeple]

I do not know what the hell you're looking at

oh fucking

i was in tf2 not tf

[potent wolf]

[summer steeple]

hate this code organization

[summer steeple]

apparently the vdc cvar list for tf2 lists them all

and uh... so does our docs for hidden cvars

whoops

[potent wolf]

yeah lol

[summer steeple]

still, sometimes looking at the code is helpful because the descriptions either are wrong or don't exist

[potent wolf]

what devonly convars have been added since the leak?

[summer steeple]

no clue

[potent wolf]

smh i expect you to know everything 😔

[summer steeple]

i didn't know endless mvm waves was funcitonal

the wave generation is competent too

ok medig generation doesn't quite work

a lot of them were healing heavies instead of the scouts

er wait, is this just bigrock mission one

yes it is

oops

let me try skipping to wave 7

it just loops :(

so no, its not functional

aside from bot upgrades

unless that was the intent

in which case i get why they scrapped it lol

just the same waves of a mission over and over again

with bots slightly buffed

would be boring af

I was wondering why valve would've scrapped it considering the fact that the waves seemed to work well, but i guess I was just playing benign infiltration the whole time lol

no wonder it played well

[cursive peak]

Has anyone done randomized waves yet?

[summer steeple]

i'm sure someone has

[cursive peak]

I think that'd make MvM much more interesting.

[mystic turtle]

essentially just PvZ survival endless, but even more tedious now that you have to do the shooting
And even PvZ can at least cook up a whole arsenal of zombies to mix things up every wave
Whereas selection is a lot more limited in MvM

[next nymph]

mvm but its red team vs blu team trying to see who kills more robots

[mystic turtle]

Robot destruction mk. ii

[summer steeple]

ok the thing is tho

pvz still randomly generates waves

this is JUST the pre-existing waves of that mission

but with upgrades given to the bots

and health scaling

not that they can really add more, cause its limited by player count

[mystic turtle]

I see... that must be very dull.

[orchid sorrel]

Yes, it usually ends up not being very fun

Pacing is usually extremely akward, and the challenge is usually non-existent or just extremely overwhelming

Although one of the new potato missions uses a “choose your adventure” mechanic

Each wave you can pick between one of two waves

And you can hit random for a slight pay increase

[kind falcon]

wow. thats like. aghanims labyrinth

[crisp cedar]

do you also get rare upgrades

[kind falcon]

not yet

[crisp cedar]

collect aghanims fragments (money) from creeps (robots)

[kind falcon]

lifes like a videogame

[crisp cedar]

trying hard to beat the stage

[left sand]

all while number go up

[crisp cedar]

athena is under attack

[slender nexus]

we are fucking under attack

[crisp cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-meme-gif-26268047

[kind falcon]

erm? why isnt the alert (moans) playing back?

[summer steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-exploding-bingus-my-beloved-gif-24830240

[formal dew]

[summer steeple]

everything is in shambles

payday 3 servers still dead, potato.tf website dead

what games will i play

[potent wolf]

titanfall 2!!!

[summer steeple]

not installed :(

[potent wolf]

[formal dew]

binding of isaac

[summer steeple]

I have to be in a fucking mood for that

but i am downloading tf2 now

[left sand]

eris

[summer steeple]

pain

one of my origin friends has thanos cock as their pfp

i forgot lol

i was changing my loadout and got kicked out by an error, but pressed escape right as it came up so i didn't see whati t was :(

scorch my beloved

ok right this is the other tf2 channel whoops

[drowsy marlin]

Titanfall 2 is an okay game

[paper sluice]

Bots are back

Been seeing a lot of omegatronic and hexatronics

[summer steeple]

yeah

it comes and goes

its usually like

valve does something

bot hosters go "its so over"

and then a few months pass

and they just waste more of their money

[next nymph]

valve should start hosting antibots

[summer steeple]

true

but yeah, its really bad rn

but it'll pass

it always does

at the very least it won't be nearly as bad as it is now

[slender nexus]

oh my goodness he has a headache

[summer steeple]

yeah

[left sand]

dxvk will make the bots more efficient

[summer steeple]

valve should only allow an official dxvk dll file that catches bots and forces their hardware to overheat

surely that would not be bypassed by simply not using dxvk or by patching it out

[potent wolf]

they should allow you to use your own engine dll

[summer willow]

what second will dxvk drop?

[potent wolf]

the exact second you die

[summer willow]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-honestly-honestly-quite-incredible-funnyh-cat-gif-26367558

[wild grove]

They still on summer maps, in the US it seems like they are?

[spare obsidian]

they would never drop dxvk anytime soon, go home

[paper sluice]

Yeah maybe cuz iirc I only saw them on the summer maps

[summer steeple]

they're not

plus the summer section is gone

I guess they probably just send direct map selections to the matchmaker so it doesn't matter

but i had a harvest game last night that was real bad

but it was with sydney bots (remember those? they're back too!)

[paper sluice]

No I mean like
The maps that were added from the summer update but yeah seems like it’s in other maps from what you say

[summer steeple]

yeah I know

thats why i added that because they probably just send the map selection to the matchmaker themselves it prob doesn't matter

they just send the same maplist

they don't say "queue me for maps in the summer section"

[summer steeple]

I was looking at my vscript for spawning an MVM revive marker, pondering once again if there was some way I could see when the player clicks the cancel button

answer, 99% certain no

because it sends the result of that as a ccmd

[slender nexus]

Computer explotano

💥

[summer steeple]

just making sure i'm not missing anything, there's no way to read ccmds outside of being the server itself, right?

like there's no API that lets you read them

API is maybe the wrong word

but like

you can see events, there's stuff like net_showevents

but there's 0 equivalent for either that or reading values of it via vscript

I just had a stupid ass idea

on death, temporarily set the gamemode to MVM

that might legitamately work lmao

[potent wolf]

what

[summer steeple]

i'm serious

cause the way I do my thing is that I spawn the revive markers myself

and the cancel button doesn't work because it asks the player if it has a revive marker, and if it does, destroys that

but the reviver marker variable is local to the server alone, its not a netprop or anything

and the only way that variable gets set, is if the server creates the reviver marker

and the only way that happens, is if its MVM

the only problem is that comes with a lot of other side-effects

[small siren]

*the only problem

is that comes with a lot of

other side-effects*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

it fucks with a lot of things if the ent that died was a bot (can be worked around by removing the "fake client" flag tho)

its absolutely a terrible solution, but it might be the ONLY one

for anyone wondering, this is what "advanced" vscript programming is like

once you get into doing stuff beyond more basic things of just messing with common use cases

it becomes a hell of failure, struggling to find some opening into what you want to do, terrible workarounds, and in some cases, complete rewrites of pre-existing things

for my big project, i'm going to probably end up reimplementing the entire mvm populator system in vscript

because we have 0 access to it

so its only usable in mvm to my knowledge, and even in mvm, your control is basically letting it do its thing and then trying to mess with bots after they already spawn

[wild grove]

Server region?

[summer steeple]

idk

US

[wild grove]

damn, I was right

took longer than expected tho

so adding bots back to regular maps from seasonal takes at least a week.

[hoary geyser]

hello is this enough for tf2 at 720@30fps?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8fNTJy

[kind falcon]

lian li is so good

[slender nexus]

[hoary geyser]

sorry is it really bad?

[slender nexus]

no it's super easy to hit 720@30 my steam deck can do it no problem

[hoary geyser]

hm I think you're lying!

the steam deck can only play tf2 at 144@12

i have proof

[slender nexus]

[grim parcel]

just play the other tf2, it doesn't have bots

[slender nexus]

but I'm already playing Titanfall

[potent wolf]

one of the 3 players playing Titanfall 1

[kind falcon]

i love unoriginal people

[summer willow]

month is ending and nothing about tf2 update with dxvk and source 2

[crisp cedar]

alright

which one of u guys leaked the news about source 2

[left sand]

https://vxtwitter.com/heavyfortres/status/1705736299108266260

[crisp cedar]

hahahhaahh

[stone nebula]

there's a bot on the cover art

[potent wolf]

they're trying to corner us!

[next nymph]

looks ai generated smh

[radiant merlin]

srly is my gpu dying or smth?

[dreamy marlin]

Is outlines=high a competitive advantage to outlines=low because of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-hVgNkeO8M

[stone nebula]

Yes

Although in competitive matches it won't come up as much, in casual the spawn wallhacks show you any spies making themselves too obvious

I honestly don't know why disguised spies have outlines while you're dead

Because, if you were spectating and noticed they didn't have an outline, at the very least you'd have to be looking at them

[summer steeple]

iirc there’s no specific code handling outlines for spies, it just goes through the same code as teammates, because to the client, that spy is a teammate

so either valve wanted it or they forgor

[left sand]

w

[potent wolf]

at

[formal dew]

theres no way to handle teammate spawn glows without somehow fucking over spy

it should be removed

[dreamy marlin]

wasn't it added in like, 2014ish? I remember playing before it existed

[summer steeple]

MYM

so 2016

[dreamy marlin]

So like 8-9yrs after TF2 came out. I can see why spy mains were salty lol

Nearly a decade of disguising near enemy spawn without issue and valve destroys it in one swoop

[summer steeple]

its not even necessarily disguising near enemy spawn

it just fucks over spies in range of any camera a dead player is watching

like you could be spectating a player and you could tell them that a spy is behind a wall in front of them

[dreamy marlin]

yikes

[left sand]

W

[high current]

iirc RGL compliant server configs disable teammate outlines for this reason.
It might just be a format specific thing or something they tried ages ago, but I’m like 80% sure this is disabled on RGL.

Even if it wasn’t, high level spies would just knife the air or use an undisguise bind

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480079567458140171/1156007173072097331/image.png?ex=65136713&is=65121593&hm=7474affca6d90a5ebde6805ac1c92d6fc0bb8d039fe13ddcea279c96514aff04&

the life of a pyro player

forced to an eternity of shooting the big blue rectangles

[wild grove]

Wait, pvz garden warfare mission sequel?!

[paper sluice]

whenever i use the outlines to get a spy i feel a bit guilty cuz im like staring at them through a wall and it looks like im walling

[summer willow]

just now i discovered oldschool pack

but doesnt work in casual 😭😭😭

[radiant merlin]

yet

[summer willow]

kinda wanted to use the method to works on casual but...

i will get banned 😰

the only mod thing that i made was replacing the bonk texture to guaraná antártica

[summer willow]

mod too big and idk nothing so, maybe some day someone makes

[limpid panther]

pika

[dreamy marlin]

Looks like outlines=high is only set on mastercomfig preset high and ultra, I was using medium-high so I was missing out lol. Are there any other settings like this, which are off by default but can give you an advantage (outside of the very-low preset)?

[kind falcon]

which settings can give you an advantage?

🧐

[dreamy marlin]

check this message, outlines=high helps you easily find spies in certain scenarios

although apparently outlines=high has a pretty high FPS impact

[kind falcon]

yeah

stencils applied to 16 players. that is a pretty high fps impact

[dreamy marlin]

on shounic's 100 player server it completely destroys my FPS lmao

[kind falcon]

as it should

or well

in its current implementation

i wonder if they could rework it somehow

oh right, having the outlines on ctf is like mandatory to win

or payload if ure unfamiliar with the map or the videogame that is team fortress 2

[slender nexus]

Me when I steal every spy main's dopamine source (I want them to suffer)

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/rglnewcomer-newcomer-rgl-team-fortress2-tf2-gif-26253418

[limpid panther]

guys send me popular huds/huds that you use

I wanna test the performance impact of huds, but I dont use them and neither do I know which are popular

[stone nebula]

https://comfig.app/huds/page/zeeshud/ probably the most (potentially, have not tested) performance intensive one i can think of with customizations

https://github.com/quickkennedy/quakehud what i use, also has quite a few custom options

https://gamebanana.com/mods/445578 vanilla themed with customizations, comes with a hitmarker addon(?) (maybe not idk)

[kind falcon]

https://github.com/Zeesastrous/ZeesHUD/blob/0a9db38b56223f447ed28a3cd7228dbf66accf79/_zeeshud_base/menus/main_menu.res#L979 never forget

[stone nebula]

yeah they're not mentally stable i think i dont blame them though
the cathook shit was really funny though

[kind falcon]

an attempt was made

[stone nebula]

like how far people took it, as if it's even possible for a hud to do something like that triggered by editing a single file

[kind falcon]

my favorite config .

[slender nexus]

That banner image making me go-

HOT DAMN

[stone nebula]

that's him, that's the middle mann

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/pufferfish-the-fog-is-coming-the-fog-smile-fish-gif-25782045

[stone nebula]

saxton culo

[spare obsidian]

saxton culo

[next nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/fog-the-fog-is-coming-the-fog-frog-the-frog-gif-11647252467761902786

[dreamy marlin]

I actually did performance testing across a few HUDs a couple weeks ago. These were the averages across 3 runs:

Default: 198.06fps avg, 31.597 variability
BearHUD: 202.48fps, 34.389 var
Sunset Hud: 194.45fps avg, 30.138 var
PeachHUD: 199.39fps, 32.220 var
collyhud: 198.53fps, 33.383 var
Hypnotize Hud: 190.39fps, 29.864 var
HExHUD: 190.78fps, 28.382 var
FUNKeHUD Reloaded: 195.85fps, 31.678 var
FlawHUD: 198.58fps, 32.541 var

I previously ran a test with different graphics settings on just default HUD, FlawHud, and Budhud and got:
Default: 186.45fps, 30.503 var
FlawHUD: 188.55fps, 30.679 var
BudHud: 184.86fps, 30.540 var

Tbh a 6.35% difference between the highest and lowest performing HUDs isn't much but it's certainly more than I expected, I thought it would be <3%

[next nymph]

how much of that is within statistical error tho

[limpid panther]

~~how many times you ran each HUD?~~nvm you said it 3 times

[heavy solar]

@limpid panther has leveled up! (51 ➜ 52)

[dreamy marlin]

I did 3 runs per HUD. A lot of them were consistent but yeah some were oddly +-3fps

[limpid panther]

also, could I see the demo used?

[dreamy marlin]

It's the timedemo on mastercom's site

[limpid panther]

ok

yea, I don't really like that demo. I will redo it with something more representative of normal gameplay

also, 3 is too little imo

not to shit on your data or anything, it's just that I use about 15 and still suspect the variance is too high

[dreamy marlin]

No worres. This wasn't something I like, initially planned on releasing publicly. Just testing what works best on my setup. Which, I use a pretty unique setup (Pop!_OS 22.04, 1440p, mastercomfig medium-high with a few overrides). Not sure how representative my data is of the average player

[next nymph]

do you include the variance calculation in your stuff? I can't remember

[limpid panther]

yes and no, I prefer boxplots instead, since it's more visual

then the variance gets taken into account in the null hypothesis probability

example: #1072696252162117752 message

[next nymph]

is the variance calculated from the 15 means, or do you combine the variance of each individual timedemo?

Im not a big stats person so i dont know whats the norm but im interested

[limpid panther]

depends on if you mean the variance of the mean or the mean variance

the variance of the mean = how much the mean frametime varies from run to run
the mean variance = the frametime variance, averaged over all runs

[summer willow]

theres something that "fixes" the crosshairs in tf2?

the resolution sucks, they arent centralized, doesnt seems to have the right size, iconsistent

[summer steeple]

aren't font crosshairs generally considered better?

actually i wonder, distancealpha crosshairs 🤔

words of a distance alpha addict

[summer willow]

idk

[wild grove]

So basically, Huds don't make much of a fps difference, and you shouldn't worry about it when picking em?

[kind falcon]

unless ure running the videogame on a potato chip

[dreamy marlin]

I meant +-3 fps across different runs for the same HUD. In reality, different HUDs (in the worst case) could be about 12fps apart, or a 6%-7% difference, which is a bit more significant than I was expecting

[summer willow]

whats the differente between c_sniperrifle and c_tfc_sniperrifle?

[jagged pawn]

we love middle mann

idk why it's so rare for the tf2 artstyle to be retained in custom huds

[kind falcon]

templates

[kind falcon]

it’s simpler to make a minimalistic, feature rich hud.

[summer willow]

they do something?

or is like

the base to c_sniperrifle and i need it if i want to change the model

[stone nebula]

lots of huds tend to not use very many graphics at all i've noticed

they're just made of text

[jagged pawn]

yeah it sucks lol

like as much as it's not for me, I respect huds like zeeshud and darhud for at least trying

[kind falcon]

I respect fiend for not developing fiendhud further

[summer steeple]

tfc_sniperrifle is the classic

well, specifically its based on the first person view of it

and kinda tf2-ified

cause this is the third person one

anyway thats also probably why its called "the classic"

it even uses the same sound effect for firing!

its basically just the same idea as the original

but for sniper

[small siren]

*its basically

just the same idea as

the original*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

i'll have you know that i am still developing a hud, just very slowly

[summer willow]

is the classic from tf c or the classic in tf2?

oh

ok

[kind falcon]

just like 15000 of your other projects

[summer steeple]

you know me so well

[kind falcon]

there’s a certain bond

[formal dew]

gold bond

[serene yarrow]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2095919644977641896/A52DF5D9BB5538264749CE70D3284C487ECC4541/

Out of curiosity has anyone seen this error before and knows what it means

I crashed from it

[summer steeple]

oh that sounds really familiar

i can't remember what it means or why it happens :/

tried to search around in here for it but found nothing really

[unborn pecan]

hello two fart two

[unborn pecan]

I have

I remember it for some reason

i forgor

💀

[serene yarrow]

Idk but if it helps I got the error when playing potato.tf custom mvm

[next nymph]

I actually was asking about variance of the mean vs calculating the total variance (as in, treating each run as a set of individual frametimes, combining those sets, and then getting the variance of that). Didnt realize mean of variance was an option

[limpid panther]

doing what you described after "vs" is the same as calculating the mean variance

but it becomes less clear to describe, specially if you then think about the variance of the variance

[next nymph]

it is? I remember looking at the math for it before and the algorithms for combining variance of multiple variance/mean sets was a lot more complex than just averaging them

[limpid panther]

wait, let me work it out to make sure

[next nymph]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithms_for_calculating_variance#Parallel_algorithm

makes sense, right? The variance of sets [1,1,1] and [2,2,2] are both 0, but the combined set [1,1,1,2,2,2] has nonzero variance

[limpid panther]

true true, I was mistaken

[radiant merlin]

imagine valve doing this in tf2

[high current]

People play ranked in TF2?

[radiant merlin]

no but

if you play with cheaters often and they get caught, you get penalized too

[high current]

I recommended that to RGL years ago and the admins got mad at me then implemented it a year later

Is there a problem with subtle cheaters in casual? I feel like I haven’t seen someone cheating but not spinbotting in ages, outside of competitive leagues.

[jagged pawn]

so has anyone on linux figured out how to fix the issue on anything other than arch lol

I haven't been able to play the game for like a week now 💀

every solution I can find involves downloading something that I can't download

[stone nebula]

ive seen quite a few silent aiming demos

[runic dew]

the libtcmalloc issue?

[jagged pawn]

yeah

I just can't convince it to grab one from anywhere else, even after deleting the official one

[mystic turtle]

You might wanna ask about getchoo's tcmalloc
TF2 boots pretty fine for me, I've been grinding paints

Which distro do you run?
I have Fedora.

[left sand]

i think windows works

[runic dew]

i have it deleted in the tf2 files and pinned a working version in the steam runtime folder

https://docs.mastercomfig.com/latest/os/linux/#game-crashes-when-using-a-nvidia-card

bottom of this page has similar instructions

[mystic turtle]

@jagged pawn But if it works fine on your distro, the steps ran like this for me:
1: Put getchoo's tcmalloc files somewhere safe
2: remove the stock tcmalloc
3: symlink getchoo's tcmalloc to the TF2 bin folder, renaming the symlink to whatever the stock TF2 tcmalloc was (since getchoo's is 4.5.10 when the stock TF2 one is 4.0)

[potent wolf]

yeah but where's the fun in that

[left sand]

tf2

[potent wolf]

titanfall 2 best game 🫡

[limpid panther]

yea, I'm just gonna wait for 1 week while all of this gets sorted in linux before I even attempt to play it there

[mystic turtle]

here they are, by the way
hopefully these work

[potent wolf]

malware

[jagged pawn]

pop os which is probably a factor unfortunately. I should really switch to something else lol I'm on a dead distro 😭

[jagged pawn]

just to make sure I understand, does it matter where I put these as long as I redirect to them through launch options

[mystic turtle]

From what I understand from previous testing, you don't even need to pin them to the Steam runtime or use launch options
Just delete the old malloc, symlink in the normal one (not the minimal one), remember to change the name of the symlink so it matches the original, and don't verify integrity of game files

[jagged pawn]

ah I'll give that a shot in a bit then

[mystic turtle]

Just the symlink alone was enough to produce noticeable changes in RAM management behavior
and while I still had OOM crashes while running mastercomfig, resetting to default settings overall worked quite well

[slender nexus]

Wait is popos deprecated now 😭

ee dont respond I saw that one msg in tech channel

when will my popos update return from the war

[jagged pawn]

it's been like nearly two years since the last major update

[left sand]

https://youtu.be/QrJDme-MPkc

[summer steeple]

what do you mean, blue moon was 5 years ago

[jagged pawn]

stop this

[summer steeple]

oh you meant popos LMAO

I ACTUALLY COMPLETELY FORGOT

[next nymph]

tf2 development runs on popos

[paper sluice]

chat is this real

[paper sluice]

i dont mean to brag but i wanna brag
16 ks at the end https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/987544998947979265.gif?size=48&name=swagagega&quality=lossless

i can feel scout inside me 😊

[summer steeple]

erm

[crisp cedar]

hurricane statement made by skyrym

[grim parcel]

ideally you should use that binary i sent in the same you would a native sdl - as in, delete the games bundled version and synlink it to the pinned_libs folder

just make sure the symlink has the same name as the one you deleted from tf2’s folder

[kind falcon]

good job on spreading malware gec choo 🫡

[grim parcel]

thanks bro

it’s ok because it’s reproducible

[kind falcon]

so true

reproducible like me and .........

https://tenor.com/view/rick-sanchez-rick-fortnite-rick-90s-rick90s-gif-22784968

[dreamy marlin]

I'm also on Pop!_OS and have been playing TF2 pretty much every day for the last ~2 weeks without issue. Tbh I haven't even heard of this tcmalloc issue until I read these messages. How much have you modified Pop?

[grim parcel]

he could just be using the flatpak, which also has it's runtime compiled against llvm 16

[dreamy marlin]

Oh that makes sense. Yeah, I'm using the .deb version of steam

[grim parcel]

since iirc pop os has flatpak installed by default and a deb/flatpak option in the pop shop

[grim parcel]

pop os wont have an issue like this for a very, very long time

mainly because they're only based on an lts for now, and ubuntu probably won't be jumping to llvm 16 either any time soon

[left sand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHD7JLnAsA8

[paper sluice]

real

[unborn pecan]

I love it uses the tiktok voice

[paper sluice]

STARE AT WALL

[unborn pecan]

BILLIONS MUST STARE

https://tenor.com/b1Kc2.gif

[paper sluice]

smh putting even more disrespect on canadas name

😢

think of all the jaratekings out there

https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2082408212185836271/1F681482375A4CA223E4033A712C2A3939C20CF7/

found in the thread https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/980509081204846622.webp?size=48&name=igotbroadsinatlanta&quality=lossless

https://youtu.be/RHD7JLnAsA8?t=287

LOL

4:47

incredible

😭

[radiant merlin]

witness is from europe right?

[paper sluice]

idk comp

[high current]

Idk about witness the player, but Witness Gaming is NA

[paper sluice]

why hasnt anyone made fonts of the crosshairs so they scale without getting fucked

[high current]

You mean custom hud crosshairs?

[paper sluice]

no like stock crosshairs

er

well maybe i do mean what you say

[high current]

I think those are usually included in the crosshair fonts in huds. It can’t switch based on weapon (to my knowledge), because that functionality just isn’t there for custom huds.

But those also aren’t without flaw. Based on resolution, fonts can shift up or down by a couple pixels and sometimes require you to manually account for that. Best solution I’ve found is including buttons to generate hud code to shift the crosshair up/down or left/right 1 unit using log-base.
Which is just such a new and relatively complicated that the people who have done that are in the single digits.

I think it’s pretty much jarateking, hypnotize, Jofre, the maker of InsomniaHud, and I who have made implementations of log-base to that degree.
I could be missing a someone, but those are all I’ve seen.

[paper sluice]

huh never knew that
good to know i guess

[heavy solar]

@paper sluice has leveled up! (63 ➜ 64)

[paper sluice]

@heavy solar https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma985-a-mimir-a-mimir-meme-mimir-gif-24965637

[high current]

Tbh unless you stare at huds 4 inches away from your monitor for hours, you probably wouldn’t notice the inaccuracy. But it’s there🤷‍♂️

[paper sluice]

my crosshairs kinda small so it'd prolly effect it more https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1091405849932611635.webp?size=48&name=at_my_limit&quality=lossless

[paper sluice]

also do you mean most of the stock crosshairs are included in custom fonts in huds or?

[high current]

Yeh, you can find all the default crosshairs in here somewhere, except maybe sapper, but I might be over looking it.
https://github.com/Hypnootize/TF2-HUD-Crosshairs

[paper sluice]

Ah coolbeans

Grazie

why do i keep getting put into nearly empty servers with only omegatronic bots

the player count cannot be so low i only join with the literal scraps of players left

dude

community server time https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1150663885637038101.webp?size=48&name=hiyagangy&quality=lossless

[crisp cedar]

why is this screenshot so fucking dark

[paper sluice]

Idk

Blame windows

It didn’t do that before but now it does

actually

its not winows

windows

i know why

its cuz i pressed win+shift+s to screenshot but that also opened the steam overlay

so it darkened it

[crisp cedar]

why is ur steam overlay on win shift s

and not shift tab

or whatever it was

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma-stare-stare-gif-27260036

[paper sluice]

to open the scoreboard i have to hold tab

[kind falcon]

does powertoys allow you to change the screenshot hotkey combo

[paper sluice]

then when i press shift it toggles with me already pressing tab
i can prolly just open the scoreboard with console but idk the command so !1!!!!!

[paper sluice]

powertoys?

[kind falcon]

windows powertoys

thingy

[paper sluice]

idk what that is all i know is its called snip & sketch

not sure if it lets you change it

never tried

[kind falcon]

try this

very cool..

[paper sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1053788796350640209.webp?size=48&name=enough~1&quality=lossless

thank you

we are so barack

[kind falcon]

no problem brody oomfie bestie

[unborn pecan]

@next nymph pls comment on dis

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/758782769911431229.gif?size=48&name=catEEE&quality=lossless

NOW

[limpid panther]

where is it

[paper sluice]

https://www.teamfortress.tv/63649/omg-3

[limpid panther]

yea I found it without your help 😡

[paper sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1140360467471143072.webp?size=48&name=fa88&quality=lossless

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/831369737186967602.webp?size=48&name=cryaboutit~1&quality=lossless

[limpid panther]

also, why is b4nny on a pug?

I though he didn't do those

[next nymph]

yeah thats probably a fair list of people. It's multiple advanced techniques built together into one really advanced technique, and its still limited in some ways too

[summer willow]

https://gamebanana.com/wips/79845 damnnnnnnn

[summer willow]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/464818 i guess this solves my issues

[cursive peak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RbGgWz0vOE

[molten compass]

Omh you reminded me of a old ritual I had

Watching LuckyLuke's top 10 every month

guess I should resume that ritual

their production quality for tf2 content is top tier man

[drowsy marlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/427941599377358849/1157759261015810180/IMG_5916.jpg?ex=6519c6d5&is=65187555&hm=1cc14be9d0acc061ead76c9b492211a22c7ef9eaf25785ba141167dddf059c96&

[potent wolf]

what

[wild grove]

What religion involves sabbath?

oh, jewish

[cursive peak]

Christianity also sometimes has it.

[wild grove]

hmm, kinda iffy about it knowing the community of this game.

[summer steeple]

fucking around with various things and just discovered a weirdass animation bug

luckily, it does not displace hitboxes

if anything, it is worse for the player who triggers it lol

because it uh, disables the leg walking part of the animation

for some reason

apparently, this bug has already been documented

welp

the bug is that if you crouch while jumping with the winger, you won't be crouching when you land, and will be in like a pseudo stand position while you slide around

side note, they never seemed to have fixed crazy legs scout for the winger

[small siren]

*side note, they never

seemed to have fixed crazy legs

scout for the winger*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

i didn't even know the winger used different animations

ok, it doesn't

or at least its not supposed to

idk whats wrong with it

[summer willow]

wait

already?

[left sand]

halloween event is automated every october 1

but scream fortress doesnt start until valve pushes something

[summer willow]

hmmmm

[stone nebula]

CRASHER IS BACK

YEAAAAAAA

i missed it last time

and then felt a deep wave of depression upon typing ctf_crasher into the server browser and getting 0 hits

[kind falcon]

team fortress 2 players...

[jagged pawn]

this worked perfectly tysm

[jagged pawn]

am I the only one that hates the way scream fortress looks in the casual menu

like it's just a list of unspecified names that you have to memorize to know anything about them

I wish they were integrated into the regular queue. like, you could check a box at the top for "enable all scream fortress maps" but then you could also open each mode and they'd be there too with like a gargoyle icon to indicate that they're seasonal

[left sand]

btw why arent the instructions in the mastercomfig docs like they were before

@grim parcel

[radiant merlin]

oh wow muselk is back again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39Yogd_fpko

[spare obsidian]

context

[summer willow]

is this good?

[limpid panther]

@summer willow #announcements📰 message

[summer willow]

this is just a map preloader

[limpid panther]

apologies, it seems like I was mistaken

https://gamebanana.com/wips/79779

but I don't have any problems preloading for casual

just use the smallest map you can find as a menu background and you are done

at least for me

so I use Yttrium's preload_room

[summer willow]

i just use itemtest because i dont need to install anything but

this map seems to be better and you can customize what you want to preload

[limpid panther]

this doesn't seem necessary because most of the stuff there is not preloadable

unless you use other stuff

[summer willow]

hmmm

ill try

[summer steeple]

vscript does let you precache models and shit, I have no clue if it actually works as a preloader tho

[left sand]

@paper sluice can i include this in mastercomfig

[summer steeple]

i really should upload that script sometime

cause it literally fixes this issue

I mean i've posted it in this discord a few times but i should post it on GB or smth

actually the version I have only works with mastercomfig so i'd need to fix that first

lmao i opened up gamebanana because of that preloader and noticed that my improved df for the tf2 oldschool pack got added with this comment

i don't have any submissions on GB lol

[left sand]

i was planning on including the script in mastercomfig

[summer steeple]

well i guess the comment is also in relation to everyone who helped inthat update

but still

yeah, but still worth uploading standalone i think, considering some people don't use mastercomfig

[paper sluice]

Yeah it’s not my script

I just yoinked it from the fempyro one

And I’ve seen other mods use the same method

I would still use the maps you already use just like add the script but you prolly already knew that

[summer steeple]

why do vscripts require 2 images minimum

what is gamebanana smoking

[unborn pecan]

the banana puff

[left sand]

masterbanana soon

[summer steeple]

there done, finally uploaded somewhere
https://gamebanana.com/mods/471755

coming to a mastercomfig near you soon™️

[unborn pecan]

yo this is actually so cool

I miss the main menu music since I preload

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/925784073975250965.webp?size=48&name=Pray&quality=lossless

thank you sitnkerousfiend

[summer steeple]

i forget why I even made this

oh wait i do remember

[unborn pecan]

because you are swag?

[summer steeple]

i think skyrym found a script and posted it cause someone asked

and i took a look at it and it was the most dogshit ass solution ever

so i made a better one lol

[unborn pecan]

ah

I have def done that before

on the AUR

somebody uploads a dogshit one

and I feel so disgusted I have to make a better one

[summer steeple]

in the future you may not need the mod, as i made a PR a few months back to add it directly to comfig

[unborn pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/925784073975250965.webp?size=48&name=Pray&quality=lossless

I sure hope it is added

[distant mango]

How hard does anyone think it would be to drop Team Fortress 2 (specifically tf2-patches) to 64 tick and allow other tickrates while fixing the regressions caused by that?

Also, has anyone thought about (or actually went through with) doing tr_walkway (or something like that) but with VScript instead?

The issues with current tr_walkway being hitboxes not being in-line with the animations (if I remember correctly) due to the map pushing the bots, among other things

[summer steeple]

i think i've seen someone talk about tr_walkway vscript idk

as for tickrate, i'm not entirely sure, there's quite a few things that rely on the current tickrate, and i think in the past there were merged PRs to fix some of them, not sure if they're in the current version of the repo

[distant mango]

I wonder if there is a complete list of things that assume a tickrate of 66 somewhere

[summer steeple]

off the top of my head, cap points, minigun fire rate, maybe a few other things

[distant mango]

My understanding is that it's not hard to make code not assume a tickrate and rely on whatever the alternative is, for stuff that isn't affected by the tickrate

[summer steeple]

minigun firerate is actually a balance issue iirc, its not necessarily intended for it to change based on tickrate, it just doesn't work correctly on the default tickrate iirc

it skips things

[distant mango]

It seems relatively simple from the outside looking in

[distant mango]

Yeah, I remember hearing about this

Also, why is choke such a big issue in the Source Engine?

I was getting choke in the ~20-30s while playing on a Halloween map with the pumpkin in the center

I think it's an issue with the current networking config on the serverside

[distant mango]

This was on a Valve server, by the way

[distant mango]

I read into it and reducing packet choke on the server (incoming and outgoing, I assume) is just a couple of commands, the Comtress Server config also does it properly in the 100 player config version

This line:
https://github.com/mastercomfig/comfig-fortress/blob/master/100/tf/cfg/server.cfg#L21
and this line:
https://github.com/mastercomfig/comfig-fortress/blob/master/100/tf/cfg/server.cfg#L86
seem to fix choke entirely.

Are there some downsides to this that I don't know about?

Choke seems to be my only big gripe with TF2's current networking as it presents itself like packet loss when the server chokes your connection for enough consecutive packets, from my experience

[left sand]

yeah choke is needed to keep bandwidth from overflowing clients

[distant mango]

What happens if bandwidth overflows clients?

[kind falcon]

clients explode, physically

[distant mango]

I can see this happening

[distant mango]

I ask this because I was able to run cmdrate 66, updaterate 66, with 100 bots in the server, and my client never showed any signs of "bandwidth overflow". It was still only a couple hundred kilobytes of data up/down at the worst, so even if I wasn't on loopback, I suspect there wouldn't be an issue unless there was a client with really bad internet, in which case, couldn't the "rate" command fix that? Or is going over the maximum "rate" on the client considered bandwidth overflow?

I can imagine maybe getting "bandwidth overflow" with sv_alltalk set to 1 on a 100, or even 24-32 player server, and everyone speaking at once or something

[left sand]

rate is bypassed by that

[distant mango]

Bypassed by preventing choke from occuring?

And what happens if that's bypassed? Will clients start getting kicked for an overflow?

It seems like the maximum rate needs to be raised or something if that's the case, since modern TF2 chokes pretty hard

And if rate is bypassed and is the reason choke is occuring, why does bypassing the maximum rate value not cause a "bandwidth overflow"?

[high current]

I believe sentry fire rate is also tied to tick rate.

Although ever mge server I’ve played on with higher update rate has felt like complete dog water. idk if that’s an issue with the game not being made for high tick rate or the servers just being dookie.

[distant mango]

Changing the update rate doesn't change the game's underlying tickrate as that is locked at 66, to my knowledge

So, from my very loose and probably incorrect understanding:
If the server forces client updaterate at greater than 66, you get inaccurate interpolation because the time between ticks (15.2ms) actually hasn't changed, but your lerp time (30.3ms) has changed to some other value not in-line with the tickrate

This could be entirely incorrect but this is what I assume happens

I'm under the opinion that cl_cmdrate and cl_updaterate should be equal to each other at all times and that the upper limit for both should be the tickrate

[proper tangle]

violently

[radiant merlin]

me

but i don't have time lol

[dreamy marlin]

anyone know why the halloween maps run so much worse than the non-event maps?

[stone nebula]

not specifically

i just understand it more as a general concept that event maps run a little bad

[slender nexus]

tortured in the wutville chamber at Guantanamo Bay

my steam deck

[cursive peak]

Aren't the Halloween maps generally very particle filled?

[summer steeple]

i think yeah, its a combination of having more particles than regular maps, and also the fact that scream fortress itself causes more particles

so even regular maps will run worse during scream fortress

[lean cove]

this exists and i run it on my server

[radiant merlin]

name?

[lean cove]

actually I remembered wrong somehow

i could have sworn it existed

idk wtf i confused it with though

[left sand]

https://youtu.be/HYMnBRJLRTs

[stone nebula]

join casual server
1 bot, 10 other players
bot starts a kick on me
goes 3 yes 3 no
i get kicked anyways

👍

[orchid sorrel]

these scream fortress queue times suck ass

yet everything is green

[summer willow]

my shield is bugged

[left sand]

yeah that happens sometimes

[spare obsidian]

how tf does that even happen? lol

[high current]

they threw it, captain america style

[formal dew]

and that's what you get for touching that

[wild grove]

He took his pills.

His shield was never real.

[molten compass]

record 1; stop

[molten compass]

networking

[molten compass]

Generally bind this to a button. Every time you see some random bug like your shield not visible or killcam showing some random invisible model in the middle of nowhere press the bind.

[summer steeple]

isn't there a better way to do that without starting and stopping a demo

[radiant merlin]

retry

[summer steeple]

no there's a hidden cmd that has the same effects as demo starting without the actual demo start iirc

[kind falcon]

fiend, the hidden cmd knower

[jagged pawn]

extremely cool video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxwZeDwmV8o

[high current]

demorestart
You might need to add cmd before it, I just use it in my hud on a button so idk what the console trigger for it is.

[summer steeple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/191334391278993408/1159197163990024393/fdw-9J7HwFwZY3OT.mp4

[potent wolf]

🙀

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/437863876587945985/1159179893649711165/ammo.mp4?ex=65301567&is=651da067&hm=730c863726a719800b748cb389969e552ede8434fe90ee6348e1c6bde55145d2&

controllable robot partners

[dreamy marlin]

The past 2yrs, the Scream Fortress update dropped on Oct 5th. Maybe dropping today? 👀

Fingers crossed for DXVK-Native

[slender nexus]

Don't count on it

[dreamy marlin]

Side note: if DXVK-Native does get added, guessing I should remove the "OpenGL Optimizations" mastercomfig addon?

[paper sluice]

is badwater the only server on bro im gonna die

ive queued into it 4 times now after like 20 minute long queue times

[drowsy marlin]

what is DXVK-Native? DirectX Vulkan?

[potent wolf]

They probably wont remove opengl support if they add dxvk, so no

[potent wolf]

dxvk but not through wine

[potent wolf]

oh i misunderstood, nvm

[dreamy marlin]

Yeah my understanding is that ToGL and DXVK are both DirectX translation layers. Since DirectX can't be used on anything other than Windows, ToGL (what TF2 currently uses for linux support) translates TF2's directX API calls to OpenGL. DXVK does something similar, but translates the calls to Vulkan instead of OpenGL. So I think DXVK-Native is a replacement for ToGL/OpenGL. I guess the problem is it would probably drop support for older hardware that doesn't support Vulkan, but idk the performance gains are probably worth it. Maybe they have a way to include both DXVK-N and ToGL, and select one based on if it's supported by the hardware

[wild grove]

Vulkan has better performance gains in stuff that uses DX9 than DX10 and onward allegedly, would need confirmation on that.

[proper tangle]

probably

I would prefer they adopted more optimization stuff from mcoms

remove the audio stutters with multithreading, better performance, all that good stuff

although, if dxvk-native can provide something similar (doubt) that's good too

[left sand]

the audio multithreading is unstable

[proper tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-stiller-what-if-it-wasnt-gif-22692271

[left sand]

yeah im working on it

[unborn pecan]

nah

CSGO had opengl support and dxvk on linux both at the same time

[crisp cedar]

yes

oh

i wrote yes and suddenly like 70 messages appeared oops

[summer steeple]

yes

[potent wolf]

thats what i said

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-german-dog-german-silly-silly-good-morning-gif-21976944

[drowsy marlin]

You think tf2 will ever get an update that changes gameplay balance?

[potent wolf]

no

[spare obsidian]

unlikely tbh

[dreamy marlin]

Maybe if it's balance due to bugs. I remember a year or two ago they fixed the bug where the Iron Bomber's projectile hitbox was a lot bigger than the stock grenade launcher. So if anything like that exists, maybe. Otherwise, highly doubt it

[formal dew]

balance is major update content

[paper sluice]

They should balance dragons fury by making it not lag your game and balance flames by making them not look like ugly yellow shit stains

[drowsy marlin]

They should add TF2 balance mod in the official game

[paper sluice]

no

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/907131683613073428.webp?size=48&name=deprived&quality=lossless

[next nymph]

valve should hire wget to make official balance promod

[crisp cedar]

tomorrow, actually

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480416823695638578/1159582939026292867/2023-10-05_22-07-33.mp4?ex=65318cc4&is=651f17c4&hm=7637d19993c22815e439c795e4f4265047e0f4e12078927cb0f8e1bc766e44d0&

charger

[unborn pecan]

doesn't that mod suck?

[crisp cedar]

yes.

thats precisely why it should be added

[spare obsidian]

and don't forgot how the ego of that dude got on his head when valve added one balance change he made

[paper sluice]

which balance change lol

[unborn pecan]

here is my balance change idea: delete tf2 off of every computer

thoughts?

[paper sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/oscars-standing-ovation-clap-clapping-applause-gif-5089552

[unborn pecan]

thank u skyrym

now that I am a tf2 contributor

what should my scandal be?

ermermermemrmeemreme

🤯

[paper sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1130020177866657802.webp?size=48&name=dissatisfied&quality=lossless

[unborn pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1029676566705348679.webp?size=48&name=brahwtfbrah&quality=lossless

[paper sluice]

you should blow up valve hq

[unborn pecan]

I have walked on the block their offices are

[spare obsidian]

that's a good question since that's what the dude says when you question is dobius changes he made in the balanced mod lol

like what he changed?

[summer steeple]

i don't think that really would count as a balance update

[left sand]

it is technically

[summer steeple]

i mean i guess

altho to me a balance update is an update that changes the intended balance of a weapon

[summer willow]

imagine tf2 update

[drowsy marlin]

I think Sniper's max health should be reduced to 100. Thoughts?

[next nymph]

sniper's max health should be reduced to 0

[high current]

If you gave everyone the ability to headshot, sniper would be way worse. Just saying, it’s a solution🤷‍♂️

[summer steeple]

the fix is simple then

no one, including sniper should be able to headshot

[high current]

replaced sniper rifle with revolver

[paper sluice]

No

[paper sluice]

No

Just lower the sniper rifles ammo

Lower it to like 10 or even 5

Somewhere around that range

[orchid sorrel]

snipers max health should be 1 with a constant -5hp drain

[paper sluice]

Doesn’t change the functionality of the sniper or his survivability just makes it harder for him to constantly stay in the same spot with little concern for ammo
And it makes hitting shots matter more

[radiant merlin]

i wonder when will valve change this

[spare obsidian]

how about giving the engineer a revolver?

[crisp cedar]

thats a great idea

insane how valve never thought about it

[cursive peak]

https://tenor.com/view/good-news-gif-20210278

[radiant merlin]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/341635 "someone make a casual version" still missing

[paper sluice]

crustyhaysoos 🤮

[spare obsidian]

context

god lord

🤮

[radiant merlin]

i need to test something. does someone has the flavorful baggies with any paint applied?

[crisp cedar]

Special Thanks
JarateKing

very not mad

[wild grove]

This is just a modded ver of nohats

[molten compass]

x1000 blutsauger be like

[radiant merlin]

no

i think

[unborn pecan]

bro is a "billions must comply" kind of soyjack guy

[wild grove]

bruh cried like a baby over a scout dunking on him, people really take him serious?

[summer steeple]

unfortunately

[spare obsidian]

the fact that YouTube has not shadow banned him is kinda funny

[spare obsidian]

like i understand he tries to be objective but one i disagree is the art style, game has art it evolves, meaning if you don't update or try to keep with your art stsle your game became staled even if you have a loyal fanbase

and also he's a clout chaser his workshop reviews really proven that

[wild grove]

art direction took a clear shift in 2015.

VALVe wanted looser restrictions on the game's art style. I mean, we got skins made by them that breaks the rules.

what wasn't good tho was 2020-2021 line up of cosmetic content but one could argue that it was VALVe pushing as much money hungry tactics as they can from unusual traders during the pandemic.

Get that sweet sweet covid emergency funds.

[kind falcon]

printed money

[wild grove]

"It's like printing my own money"

[dreamy marlin]

RIP

[high current]

Zesty is very opinionated but wanting people to be banned from YouTube for having opinions is messed up. If you don’t like them don’t watch them, it is really that easy.

[radiant merlin]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/472370

cool mod

[kind falcon]

is even basic as shit

[left sand]

honestly theyd probably do that

to show cosmetics and stuff

[spare obsidian]

oh damn this looks nice

[dreamy marlin]

oh there's a Friday the 13th this month, might be trying to line up with that

[kind falcon]

stop trying to find patterns

[dreamy marlin]

wasn't me, someone in a twitch chat point it out. but ok

[orchid sorrel]

Scream fortress content is added when eric has free time and the game isnt crashing

Thats about it

[hoary geyser]

talon why does your profile crash my discord

[potent wolf]

discord™️

[spare obsidian]

the updated is the friends made along the way

[potent wolf]

the fiends

[heavy solar]

@potent wolf has leveled up! (44 ➜ 45)

[formal dew]

only has 12 minutes to work on tf2 a week

[summer steeple]

ok you want my pattern recognition skills

october 5th was a tuesday in 2021, and a wednesday in 2022, it was a thursday this year, and releasing content near the end of the week is generally not something valve likes to do

[spare obsidian]

we're dealing with valve time here

is hard to see any pattern lol

[potent wolf]

They might release an update some time

(i'm never wrong)

[formal dew]

unless aliens invade

[jagged pawn]

gamebanana replies are so funny

[paper sluice]

xeller

i know that guy https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/987544497758023701.webp?size=48&name=ALRIGHTYTHEN&quality=lossless

[summer steeple]

i do not understand vscript sometimes

I have this metamethod that checks if something is in a different class, so that I don't need to write as much when i'm coding

i don't get it

it should automatically check bossScope.bossClass.fMaxSpeed when i just check fMaxSpeed

it works literally everywhere else in the code

but not here

[radiant merlin]

"zombie" styles of some cosmetics should also be halloween restricted

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Goblineer the zombie style can be used all year

wait, only that hat has a zombie style

[wild grove]

yeah only the hat does, why would they full on replace the voodoo?

that's a lot of work for nothing.

usually the zombie option is for consistency, do you want your zombie loadout to have random parts that are regular flesh?

ngl hearing it now, kinda sounds cool in a frankenstein kinda way.

[wild grove]

It's coming next week prolly because of vscript stuff.

[summer steeple]

mvm_oilrig_rc5a didn't build cubemaps :(

[unborn pecan]

owned

ownedownedowned

[orchid sorrel]

noob....

hud_reloadscheme .....

[kind falcon]

Owned…

[summer steeple]

i refuse

if valve can't fix their hud why should i

[wild grove]

shit I forgot about the custom mvm stuff.

At least I got til october 10

[crisp cedar]

nah

i think its fine not to want someone to have a youtube career based on the stupidly dumb shit they say

especially when theyre notorious for being hurtful to others

[small siren]

*especially when

theyre notorious for being

hurtful to others*

- rayningforests

[grim parcel]

i support the deplatforming of cringe people

[crisp cedar]

like he's not cringe hes just a malicious dude

allowing guys like him to fester only encourages what he does

[wild grove]

I heard he used to be more nice before smissmas 2021 where he went coocoo bird.

[kind falcon]

covid really did something to that guy..

[orchid sorrel]

[orchid sorrel]

the halloween queue is literally unplayable

I've been queuing for like an hour and I havent had a single match with less than 4 bots on a team

[radiant merlin]

please valve

remove maps from the queue

nobody cares about sunshine event

i wish they also reduce the timer on ghost fort

half of the halloween pool is like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szFj2ROOsio

[summer steeple]

what you don't want to play like an hour of ghost fort to finish a single match?

[radiant merlin]

i also would like to see carnival's objective to be 3 captures so rounds don't end that quickly

and if 10 mins have passed, reduce the objective to 1

can vscript files edit maps if they aren't embedded into the map file?

[small siren]

*can vscript files edit

maps if they aren't embedded

into the map file?*

- ashewiki_tf

[potent wolf]

i assume you would still be able to if you're able to do it from an embedded vscript

[summer steeple]

iirc vscript embedded vs not embedded has no difference

[unborn pecan]

how's it going guys

what's new in TF2

I haven't been following it in weeks

[radiant merlin]

bots

[radiant merlin]

does it need to be listed in logic_script?

[unborn pecan]

as per usual

[summer steeple]

no

logic_script just tells the map to run a script at launch

otherwise, the vscript VM is just server-wide

[spare obsidian]

i don't think you can do much, tf2 limits the client side of vscript

to stop things like the l4d2 script incident lol

[summer steeple]

well yeah, but there's a lot of stuff you can do on the server tho

usually with either 0 noticeable difference on the client or slight stuttering due to the client not expecting something

but for stuff in the map itself, thats ez pz

[hoary geyser]

ah why is the headless horseman screen shake so weird at high refresh rate

unless I just forgot how it felt like

[summer steeple]

aside from static stuff, which i think is not an entity after compilation

but messing with any actual entity is like

ez unless its hardcoded to change the value in tf2's code

but things like timers, adding props, etc.

thats super feasible

the only downside is that any props you add are going to be dynamic, not static

so thats a different performance hit and shit

but yeah, I don't think there's any difference between running a script via the map and running it via the server

I've set up my raid mode code to have a "start" function which basically checks if the script is already running, in case the server itself wants to use their own version of the script

or if its a newer version than the one that'll be packed into the map

[potent wolf]

confused by what this means, aren't all vscripts run on the server?

[summer steeple]

yeah, I moreso just mean vscripts run via the logic_script entity

which tells the map to run a script on launch

and the script is packed into the map

compared to say, a script that a server downloaded on their own that is external from the map itself

[potent wolf]

ah

[summer willow]

what was that?

[spare obsidian]

script kidies abusing vscript in their l4d2 maps to make players join servers they didn't wanted

and or changing the menu to something else

i think it was an issue in the workshop like 2 or 3 years ago

[summer steeple]

yeah valve is being much more careful with what vscript has access to now

[small siren]

*yeah valve is being

much more careful with what vscript

has access to now*

- treacherousfiend

[orchid sorrel]

halloween maps are enabled and the bots are worse than theyve ever been

[summer steeple]

a very heavily requested feature is VGUI support, but everytime anyone ever mentions it around ficool they're just like "yeah its probably not happening"

[summer willow]

oh

[potent wolf]

yeah

rip

[spare obsidian]

and with a reason, its really really easy to exploit

[summer steeple]

yeah

i'm hoping that at the very least we get like

the way to change some variables for pre-existing VGUI elements

or showing and hiding pre-existing elements

[radiant merlin]

3d character pls

[summer steeple]

like the MVM hud

[spare obsidian]

the only way i see it could be added is if they block the usage to certain commands that vgui can make

like we got a whitelist

for cvars

now that i think

[summer steeple]

maybe

[spare obsidian]

i mean bad actors can really abuse the url and html vgui control

blocking these could be a start point

[summer steeple]

I assume there's more to it than that because that would've been pretty easy to just block i think

[spare obsidian]

yeah

this kind of stuff really needs to be though throught since there's many ways how it can be abuse

[potent wolf]

wait what did i figure out a way to crash tf2

[spare obsidian]

ent_remove worldspawn

🧠

[potent wolf]

funnier, actually

client crash it seems

[spare obsidian]

you can technically create another world entity

but physics would shit themselves

[summer steeple]

honestly there's a lot of shit you can abuse with vscript anyway

[small siren]

*honestly there's a

lot of shit you can abuse

with vscript anyway*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

not quite as malicious but still

you can kick players

[spare obsidian]

i mean has levels of l4d2?

nah

[dreamy marlin]

yeah halloween queue is awful. I've been using Bash's TF2 Bot Kicker (biggest one that actually works on linux), and queueing up with a friend who also aggressively kicks bots, and it's still not enough

[summer steeple]

yeah not nearly as much

[spare obsidian]

from a friend that was during that time

it was awful

sometimes the script contain like goatse

💀

[summer steeple]

lmao

I mean you could potentially still do that

but i think you'd have to pack the texture into the map

or if its a listen server you can use debug commands to draw a pixel at a time

[spare obsidian]

shit was wild before the last stand update ngl lol

you can't longer trust in the maps section of the workshop

[summer steeple]

actually i wonder if you could create goatse out of like, vertices

with vscript

i don't actually think you can do that

[spare obsidian]

yeah vscript doesn't expose anything of the render that depth

i think it only exposes overlays and that's about it

[summer steeple]

for some reason there was a small part of my brain that thought it could

eh i mean you can change netprops and spawn entities so you can do a lot

pack in a model thats a single triangle into your map and then create goatse one triangle at a time

[spare obsidian]

you can create nextbots in vsctript