im surprised that thread hasnt been closed yet
#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year
orchid sorrel
kind falcon
mystic turtle
and to add to your statement
kind falcon
hi skep
mystic turtle
At least in my case, FPS configs can sometimes trigger OOM errors, especially on Unix-like systems ('nux and Mac)
Just go without them for now... some people complain about it
slender nexus
Yo
my BFB's face-melting now
mystic turtle
https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-nuke-nuclear-bomb-gif-20734003
me after realizing that I'm already a bit of a scunt
In terms of other TF2 stuff, I went on a sniper killing spree down in 2fort
I picked Base Jumper, Sticky Jumper, and Half-Zatoichi, and would propel myself across the map before meleeing unwitting snipers to their death
I even nabbed a frag on the most dangerous enemy sniper
Oh well, 2fort trains you not to pay attention while sniping, so...
slender nexus
lol in the past hour or so I decided to hop on TF2 and play spy on pier
Got 15 backstabs total in that game and one set of 5k kill streaks
I have a black rose knife from the ava promotion
and put a pro ks kill streak on it because black rose kits are cheap
mystic turtle
Wow
slender nexus
and this was all on he steam deck where playing anyone that isn't soldier is kinda difficult
mystic turtle
Gyro, right?
slender nexus
Gyro, right?
to get some stabs in I almost accidentally threw my steam deck to the side
mystic turtle
lmfao
slender nexus
not very practical for sudden wide moves
mystic turtle
I assume you had flick stick too, right?
slender nexus
I'm basically dead if I end up getting trapped in a situation where I need to turn 180 or 360 degrees to face someone because waiting for my character to rotate with my joystick is painful
Unless I can get a gyro flick in
mystic turtle
ouch, I see
Oh well, at least that was a real good run
left sand
kind falcon
https://youtube.com/shorts/uxQvTfG1luY
i lvoe bboxes
left sand
axis aligned bboxes
kind falcon
pootis
torn parrot
anybody wanna beta test some mvm missions
only if u make them ALPHA tests instead
orchid sorrel
2 late full 
summer willow
servers from brazil started lagging for some reason
warped plume
when does valve make the laser better
summer steeple
summer steeple
no i don't know
unborn pecan
https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616
me when laser
kind falcon
Huge internal leak reveals that the “C” in CBaseEntity does not in fact stand for “class” but for “cat”. Exclusive for mastercomfig discord server.
orchid sorrel
formal dew
Does Microsoft own the code for pass time now
Bc escalation studios did the code and they were sucked up by beth
Then beth got sucked up by ms
They also need to acquire bad robot to fully make a non tf2 related pass time game
It will make billions
wild grove
https://streamable.com/dusffe
So is there any eta on the next potato.tf community event?
radiant merlin
updoot
potent wolf
damn, you did it first
left sand
this might be big
left sand
yes they are
potent wolf
oh?
formal dew
left sand
dx8 is kill?
huh?
radiant merlin
left sand
no vulkan
radiant merlin
nooo
potent wolf
radiant merlin
why
radiant merlin
why?
potent wolf
👀
potent wolf
do they usually change already existing cosmetics though?
left sand
Yeah
potent wolf
huh, never noticed it in patch notes 🤷♀️
formal dew
who's wiling for an over/under on there being any updates in september
i'll start at 1/4
taking all bets
cursive peak
main_pre.nut
potent wolf
what was the stdshader_dx9 change about?
radiant merlin
AccumBuff4
left sand
They're every time that object is rebuilt
potent wolf
no i get that, but how exactly are they generated by llvm, the name
left sand
So: the file was modified, a header was modified, the file was touched (swapped between branches)
potent wolf
this part: 70282.dvxmG9.ii
radiant merlin
dxvk but mispelled
potent wolf
formal dew
we must pray for "fixed the Dragon's Fury fireball causing stutters"
pray every day
and become hermits
left sand
I think it's randomized tbh
potent wolf
but wouldn't every initializer get changed then? it would make more sense for it to be a hash of something imo
heavy solarBOT
@left sand has leveled up! (69 ➜ 70)
potent wolf
counts as assister is some kind of pet this update is going to be awesome
that's a great attribute name how did i not know about this before
left sand
that's a great attribute name how did i not know about this before
i thought everyone knew that one
potent wolf
well, i didn't 😭
wild grove
this is huge
It is, they majorly changed the way the cosmetic looks. Yet they don't want to fix the war paints they broke when they added em in the summer 23' update, insane mental gymnastics valve.
Wow this was fixed so well, it looks like they completely remade the cosmetic.
left is before update, right is after.
serene yarrow
fiend post update waiting room
summer willow
wheres dxvk 😭
potent wolf
we got trolled
summer steeple
fiend post update waiting room
i see literally nothing undocumented
the funny thing about this update is that earlier today one of the selbyen devs was posting that they were annoyed that valve hadn't pushed an update in a while because they sent in an optimization update to the map a while ago
to which i responded with "what are they cooking"
quite a bit, apparently
serene yarrow
😭
wild grove
Too bad bots are absolutely dominating summer maps rn, at least for me.
slender nexus
Joshie too busy on Steam Deck 😭
😭 there's an issue on the steam deck layout for TF2 where voting doesn't work w/ up and down dpad buttons and idk if anyone saw my steam support ticket on it
spare obsidian
i wonder if the voting system would be exposed to the vscript vm
summer steeple
doubt it
there's game events for votes but nothing for writing
which is probably a good thing
wild grove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480079567458140171/1146985600566694021/im...
So, soon?
orchid sorrel
tomorrow night i think
wild grove
I can't wait!
glass musk
radiant merlin
i'm pretty sure some proxies can't be set to not be editable
small sirenBOT
radiant merlin
$invulnlevel is one of them i think
wild grove
i'm pretty sure some proxies can't be set to not be editable
Can't or can?
wild grove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7xYhuihDk0
This video was done because 404 reported a exploit publically instead of privately, potentially screwing over everyone.
wild grove
What are the console commands for slow sheen speed and high sheen tint?
summer steeple
do you want the commands or the comfig modules?
wild grove
commands
summer steeple
tf_sheen_framerate and tf_sheen_alpha_firstperson
summer steeple
yeah
wild grove
ok sweet
spare obsidian
is weird those cvars aren't added into the advance options menu
wild grove
`tf_sheen_framerate` and `tf_sheen_alpha_firstperson`
tf_sheen_framerate doesn't seem to be functioning?
summer steeple
hm, well thats the command that comfig uses
what values are you trying to set it to?
wild grove
Never mind, it works
spare obsidian
lmfao
left sand
@potent wolf did you notice anything weird about this tf2 update in bins?
someone told me the console looks different
and some rendering seems different/broken
that pink font looks sus?
i didnt think tf2 console supported more than log and warning
potent wolf
p sure i've seen that pink before
slender nexus
ominous blood red console text
potent wolf
but maybe i'm misremembering
summer steeple
i might be misremembering but i seem to remember someone working on bakcporting the extended console colors from later games?
but i don't think that was ficool?
potent wolf
and some rendering seems different/broken
stdshader_dx9 was changed, maybe something related to that? other than that, i haven't looked that closely at the bins recently
summer steeple
map load speed still bugged this update :/
ok now i'm looking a bit too closely at the console lol
was input text always a slightly darker gray than the default output text?
spare obsidian
does tf2 crashes under manjaro know?
summer steeple
potent wolf
well it seems as if i've been trolled by gametracking, more than client/server and stdshader_dx9 got changed 🤔
slender nexus
am I misremembering something or did TF2 for the longest time have a performance issue stemming from the game constantly pinging the GC about scrapped spy v engie update stats
summer steeple
i would not be surprised
left sand
tf2 constantly pings the GC all the time
formal dew
pink text got added in a joshie update
i wanna say one that updated the sound cache
as that's what the pink text is about
potent wolf
how long ago was that again?
formal dew
8 months?
wild grove
Dude's a total dumbass.
potent wolf
depotdownloader remember-password doesn't work
I have opened the steam guard app at least 5 times so far 😭
summer steeple
messing around with distance alpha again
i have no clue why there's a tiny line on the bottom but not the left side
oh nvm its hidden by the hud panel
lmao valve knew so they set the xpos to -1
potent wolf
Unable to login to Steam3: RateLimitExceeded 
summer steeple
this is actually really annoying
because i think it means i can't use distance alpha
or if i do i'll need to not use the outline and have 2 panels, one for the outline and one for fill
potent wolf
that pink font looks sus?
le funny pink text was added in manifest 5339332548050567388 for linux
kind falcon
does tf2 crashes under manjaro know?
It should.
formal dew
tf2 needs the portal 2 workshop
spare obsidian
It should.
what a helpful comment
potent wolf
simply use macos
spare obsidian
🗿
kind falcon
what a helpful comment
there’s nothing that can help manjaro users
kind falcon
yeah. manjaro is cursed
spare obsidian
saying it cuz i can make a github issue rn
seems like on my testings HL2/Portal(untested) and TF2 crashes rn
kind falcon
idk get a real distro or something
spare obsidian
bruh
potent wolf
I remember having crash issues on level changes a while ago, but I don't remember what fixed it
spare obsidian
i switched to manjaro cuz it was my og developtment distro like i can go back to windows since i have a partition of it and i have the games on a external HDD so
its really not a problem for me
summer steeple
man i'm like
actually really stuck with distance alpha
it seems like it'd be perfect
but it just like... isn't customizable enough
potent wolf
my entire steam acc was ratelimited, oops
summer steeple
lmao
spare obsidian
my entire steam acc was ratelimited, oops <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
how lol
potent wolf
depotdownloader remember-password is broken (presumably due to the new steam auth api), and so I had to login to steam through that more than a few times
potent wolf
I can now login again 🫡
left sand
@potent wolf there is literally no way to tell afaik that you need to give guard
you have to fail login and it rate limits you after like 15 or 50 tries
its so stupid
potent wolf
<@394179512788844544> there is literally no way to tell afaik that you need to g...
for depotdownloader?
?
or do you mean steamapi
left sand
yeah
kind falcon
my entire steam acc was ratelimited, oops <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
yuor eye p adres
potent wolf
yuor eye p adres
127.0.0.2
potent wolf
<@394179512788844544> there is literally no way to tell afaik that you need to g...
well, I hate steamapi slightly more now
kind falcon
well, I hate steamapi slightly more now <:glub:961888872441196644>
you just need to have a thousand steam alts with phone carrier proxies
stone nebula
is cl_showfps 1 broken in any way on linux or
does libstrangle make fps bounce between 512 to 409
serene yarrow
Anyone noticing any strange audio glitches since the latest patch
I will try to get a clip soon but basically some audio just being delayed or not occurring at all
For instance I was playing pyro and my fire axe and flamethrower sounds were completely muted, as well as all saxton voicelines
hitsounds delayed by half a second or more inconsistently
snd_restart fixed the pyro bugs for a few minutes but not the saxton lines
wild grove
uh, I haven't encountered anything like that.
slender nexus
torn parrot
amungyusus
lucid basin
@left sand sorry for pestering, do you have your hud fix code anywhere
specifically trying to fix the "%votemenu%" issue on m0rehud but in general itd be nice to reference smoething
glass musk
what is blud doing
wild grove
being a total ass.
threatened to reveal a sv_pure bypass method that is easier and doesn't involve folders if valve doesn't answer quickly.
glass musk
crisp cedar
good thing i always got bad vibes from him and never liked him anyway
crisp cedar
glad to see my gut feeling is once again right
glass musk
oh it was made private
glass musk
new edit everyone!
wild grove
This method wasn't tested either because that method adds unneeded work.
you don't need ctx files to get mods working in casual omfg. dumbass.
and this dude was reposting other authors work (with permission) to the steam workshop?
glass musk
surely this is considered trolling now and kisak can close the issue
he is just making shit up lol
wild grove
dude is literally causing a stink with the entire modding community.
glass musk
he got pressed under the gamebanana thread so now he's crying about it on github again
wild grove
Dude got on my profile and sent a comment calling me a dink, which is more of a compliment than a insult.
cause I got 0 income.
wild grove
he got pressed under the gamebanana thread so now he's crying about it on github...
As he should.
kind falcon
wild grove
not only did the dude fearmonger by not testing the initial ""exploit"" throughly making people including myself believe that the ""exploit"" revealed cloaked spies, but he acted extremely immature to people who criticise him. Bruh is nearing 40 years old in age, you'd assume he'd be more mature.
next nymph
cause I got 0 income.
i guess you could be double income no kids if your partner works two jobs
cursive peak
How is being a dink remotely bad?
next nymph
because you could have three incomes | respect the #grindset 💪
formal dew
three incomes, no kids, all unusuals
cursive peak
There is a chance I'll end up triple income, no kids.
spare obsidian
are we gonna ratio him again?
kind falcon
who is we
unborn pecan
why is he uploading a YT video to archive.org
erm dmca moment?
I don't think him uploading somebody's video without permision is copyright friendly
stone nebula
question: why does everyone say mat_phong 0 ruins aussies
on my screen they look exactly the same and mat_specular is the command that makes them look like doodoo
unless I tested it wrong and forgot to restart the game before loading the model or something
stone nebula
it seems more like it has to do with all of the ex lighting commands
small sirenBOT
stone nebula
hmmmm. is ex short for external or EX like a street fighter move
summer steeple
iirc mat_phong controls the whole phong lighting step, which includes specular and the like
i could be misremembering
stone nebula
i could be misremembering
i think phong controls r_rimlight but not mat_specular or mat_bumpmap
on an unrelated note i just found out phong was named after a dude
Bui Tuong Phong
wild grove
Anything that disables lighting stuff makes everything look like ass.
summer willow
what is the drama about the workaround to being able to load mods in casual servers? idk if is about this, i didnt understand very well
summer steeple
being able to load custom mods can potentially allow for undetectable wallhacks, louder decloak noises, etc.
due to the way the game loads assets, it usually requires different methods for different filetypes
in some cases, valve leaves these sv_pure bypasses alone, due to not having any negative effect
for example, the folder materials/vgui/thumbnails is where the game stores thumbnail files for replays, and it has a hardcoded exception to allow any files there through sv_pure. Due to the way that materials work in tf2, it doesn't cause any problems, because no files outside of the replay system ever check that filepath for materials, so it can't be used to overwrite any materials in the game for exploits
however, that folder is helpful for new materials, so hud makers often use it to add in new textures and icons for use with their hud
that workaround was discovered... honestly it could even be a decade ago at this point, and valve could've patched it out at any time, but they see it as not being a problem, so they've left it
wild grove
With 404, there is always a motive to his actions.
summer steeple
yeah i think the drama is more about the person, not the exploit
wild grove
pretty much.
summer willow
yeah i think the drama is more about the person, not the exploit
what happened ?
unborn pecan
people once again abusing github issues to air out dirty laundry
which I fully approve! (if I happen to agree with them 
)
summer steeple
from what i understand, the person who reported it is well known for just causing problems, and for some reason decided to disclose this issue publicly rather than privately with valve, did not thoroughly test the issue to find out how it and why it works, and fearmongered it
unborn pecan
from what i understand, the person who reported it is well known for just causin...
average tf2 influencer
- brash
- egocentric
- smelly
summer steeple
There was a thread on gamebanana on it.
oh is it the same bypass
i thought it was a different one
wild grove
average influencer in general.
wild grove
oh is it the same bypass
There's multiple at this point.
summer steeple
i mean there have been for years
wild grove
like 4.
summer steeple
most of which go far under the radar
summer steeple
i'm going to email your computer to valve
its up to them to find the bypass from there
unborn pecan
erm 🤓 my computer couldn't possibly fit on a singular email, good sir
summer steeple
what did you think i meant the files?
no i meant the computer itself
i'm emailing them the tower
unborn pecan
its up to them to find the bypass from there <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
they would have to get through the million viruses I put between them and my pc
😭 fiend wtf
my pc is not meant for shipping 😡
stone nebula
being able to load custom mods can potentially allow for undetectable wallhacks,...
yeah, but those types of mods aren't included in the new exploit i thought
small sirenBOT
stone nebula
theoretically you could use it to make enemies easier to see by being Bigger
unborn pecan
🤓 ERM BUT WHAT ABOUT THE HACKERS, FIEND?!?!?!?!?
stone nebula
from what i understand, the person who reported it is well known for just causin...
to my knowledge it was more about his disgust with the casual fempyro and the model's creator right
kinda silly imo
just don't install it
wild grove
theoretically you could use it to make enemies easier to see by being Bigger
but would that also obscure the hitboxes on your end?
wild grove
bruh lol
reminds me of a L4D2 mod I use that changes the zombies to the Plants vs Zombies ones.
unborn pecan
to my knowledge it was more about his disgust with the casual fempyro and the mo...
femmepyro
stone nebula
i think people are making too big of a deal out of the gh issue too though, other than that 404 is an asshole
like I don't think valve is going to patch it ngl
stone nebula
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/666008714393944064.webp?size=48&name=funkeHmm&...
is that fucking roboky
unborn pecan
no it's FUNKe
summer steeple
roboky is silver
stone nebula
oh he always looked like a greenoid to me
summer steeple
uh yeah i guess
stone nebula
now that i think about it it might have been fanart
stone nebula
uh yeah i guess
ah nvm it's the official render
unborn pecan
uh yeah i guess
this dude looks cool
stone nebula
greeeeenoid
unborn pecan
greenie
summer steeple
i think they've changed it a lot
it used to be super green
but then they made it more dull over time
unborn pecan
now it's just green
summer steeple
its more like gray green now
unborn pecan
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/948738175998758912.webp?size=48&name=funkeDespair&quality=lossless
wild grove
Whos ready for bots in regular maps for likely 2 weeks?!
wild grove
I can't believe they made a expert realism version of MvM
stone nebula
Whos ready for bots in regular maps for likely 2 weeks?!
huh what happened
summer steeple
nothing its just that they're basically all focused on the summer map pool
stone nebula
you don't know
is it related to all the servers being dead lately
heavy solarBOT
@stone nebula has leveled up! (26 ➜ 27)
stone nebula
i couldn't find a US uncletopia server with players on saturday at 2pm
literally peak unemployment gaming hours
summer steeple
thats like peak gaming hours period
unborn pecan
i couldn't find a US uncletopia server with players on saturday at 2pm
idk school in session
stone nebula
it just occurred to me i have hide full servers checked
summer steeple
doesn't tf2 run on all the servers that aren't being used for valve's other games
summer steeple
so with a lot of people playing cs its probably just lower servers for tf2
unborn pecan
tf2 gets the scraps of scraps
left sand
@stone nebula hop on tf2
unborn pecan
it's automatic
formal dew
tf2 gets a couple of instances on each server
for some reason northern virginia is a data center hub
which is why tf2 has them there and not atlanta
summer steeple
more like tex-ASS
stone nebula
<@105186885768364032> hop on tf2
okie
next nymph
the issue here isnt that the default pure settings miss these things. The issue is that sv_pure isn't working as intended on things it's supposed to be blocking
radiant merlin
leagues allow custom huds which use the bypass
some of them
so this may be an issue
what about that visible hitboxes mod? someone can make a mod that adds fake hitboxes to all models to display where the spy hitboxes actually are
drowsy marlin
Does anyone know how the vaccinator interacts with saxton hale?
I've seen it resist all of his abilities, but doesn't offer any protection against regular punches
summer steeple
do they have a custom sv_pure config?
here's the interesting thing, the thumbnails folder is part of a hardcoded exception to sv_pure
so i don't think it can be blocked by a custom sv_pure config
small sirenBOT
radiant merlin
then my idea would work
next nymph
the issue isnt just materials being put in a folder. The issue is that it makes no sense why the model still works, and by extension why we're asking the (modded) model what texture to use
wild grove
source spaghetti
then this isn't easily solvable?
Have you read the mod description? The visible hitboxes mod is not usable for gameplay.
"NOTE: This is just a playermodel replacement for demonstrations. Not intended for real play. Even if you did try to use these in real play as to gain some sort of "advantage". They are only character models and will not line up perfectly with server side hitboxes. These are made for you to create your own listen server to demonstrate with"
summer steeple
I mean its source so nothing is ever easily solvable
summer steeple
Have you read the mod description? The visible hitboxes mod is not usable for ga...
also i don't think thats how that works
i don't see any reason why the hitboxes would not line up within a small margin of error
because if they didn't then hitreg without the mod wouldn't work
torn parrot
specifically trying to fix the "%votemenu%" issue on m0rehud but in general itd ...
is that the gooberton goobergoob
lucid basin
quiet you
radiant merlin
%playerhealth%
wild grove
%balls%
formal dew
Tf2 casual needs elo on a individual map basis like counter strike 2
Game coordinator explodes
high current
Eh. Issue with that is any comp player on their first play of a map will curb stomp any random player on a map. Especially if it’s one infrequently played enough that a comp player hasn’t played it.
left sand
gamemode elo
next nymph
throw every game that's not turbine
stone nebula
Alternatively they could also just make a 6v6 matchmaking that doesn't suck,
next nymph
they should make a playerbase that doesn't suck
stone nebula
if valve made competitive actually competitive i would cry tears of joy but that will never happen
high current
If they removed the forced settings and gave like a badge for your highest rank received every year then it’d be fine. It’d probably be thriving.
And if they made it not crash with prec. Idk why people even use prec still, since the game has it built in. But none the less, if your primary audience uses it you have to accommodate it
stone nebula
And if they made it not crash with prec. Idk why people even use prec still, sin...
p-rec starts when the match starts, demo support starts when you join the server
that being said i prefer being able to watch my dm demos sometimes
cause i get a little schnasty with it
stone nebula
(guy who has never watched 6s gameplay)
stuck locust
p-rec starts when the match starts, demo support starts when you join the server
you can customize demo support to start when the match starts
stuck locust
only thing PREC has over DS that i can think of is having map names in the demos
stone nebula
watching red get slaughtered at mid, pushed all the way back to first and then completely shut down with an aggressive uber ending the round in under a minute: yeah this shit slow af
stuck locust
better name customizability
drowsy marlin
watching red get slaughtered at mid, pushed all the way back to first and then c...
That's just called a steamroll. Equally boring
Wow the game ended in a minute
stuck locust
is it a command
one of the ds_enable options
stone nebula
Wow the game ended in a minute
thankfully you have to win 5 rounds and not just 1
cursive peak
I recall one 6s match where getting uber at the last second allowed the defending team to flip the fight and push all the way out to mid from last.
drowsy marlin
King of the Hill is a little more exciting though. But it barely requires strategy
cursive peak
Lucky Ubersaw hit.
drowsy marlin
5cp is a terrible game mode and should be removed imo
stone nebula
one of the `ds_enable` options
in "auto-record tournament matches" it starts recording as soon as it connects to a tournament server even if the game isn't started
oh mb
didn't see edit
stone nebula
maybe the other melees should be more useful
cursive peak
You also have to be in melee range to get that uber, which is super dangerous.
stone nebula
+25 instant uber is broken
but you are the weakest class in the game in the face of someone who can kill you in a second
formal dew
ubersaw would be used less if the vitasaw was unbanned
stone nebula
Nerf ubersaw
it's not power creep when the other melees don't even make sense
drowsy marlin
The bonesaw makes sense
drowsy marlin
Last resort melee
stone nebula
the amputator and vita saw make zero sense outside of extremely niche scenarios
drowsy marlin
Amputator has an interesting aoe heal
stone nebula
that you would already want to avoid as a medic
stone nebula
yeah i use the solemn vow
drowsy marlin
But ubersaw is just a direct upgrade so it should be nerfed
drowsy marlin
Solemn vow should also be nerfed too imo
drowsy marlin
It should be like other melee where you need to have it out to use the effect
So if you see a medic with the solemn vow out, you know he can see your health
stone nebula
or you can just use the inspect key
drowsy marlin
LOL
stone nebula
if they actually kill you because they saw your health?
drowsy marlin
Tell that to a new player
Tf2 needs to do a way better job communicating information to players
And they had a good thing going with the balance changes of jungle inferno
But shame they halted balance updates
stone nebula
Tell that to a new player
wait until you find out about dota
drowsy marlin
This is a tf2 discussion thread
Plus other games doing a worse job is no excuse for tf2 to improve
Take the atomizer for example. It used to give scout a triple jump as a passive, and then it was changed to where scout needs to take it out for the triple jump
That is a good change, because it communicates to everyone that the scout can triple jump, as well as helping new players understand what scout can or can't do
So medic being able to passively see health with the solemn vow is pretty bad imo
unborn pecan
Tf2 needs to do a way better job communicating information to players
tf2 should send an email to every new player
stone nebula
i'm just saying the enemy medic being able to see your health is an almost unnoticeable upside as a new player
drowsy marlin
tf2 should send an email to every new player
Unironically yes
stone nebula
lol
unborn pecan
valve should send real mail to every new player
drowsy marlin
Even if the upside is small, it's still important
unborn pecan
email is too efficient and fast for valve standards
tacit flare
Simply email Gabe directly.
drowsy marlin
Just because something is balanced, doesn't mean it can't be poor design, or difficult to intuitively understand
unborn pecan
like a dumbell
drowsy marlin
Exactly
Pretty sure we had this conversation before
Some people never learn...
Oh and crusaders crossbow should also be nerfed too
Reverse damage falloff doesn't make sense
And it would nerf the overall healing too
And maybe buff the syringe guns a little
limpid panther
6s tf2 is cringe ngl
there was a team in the latest ozfortress sixes running full-time sniper
they even ran fulltime engi, sniper and pyro for 1 match
I'm trying to find the demo now to watch, sounds interesting
drowsy marlin
Oh yeah 6s classes
Hey guys let's only play like 5 classes
Scout, soldier, demo, med, sometimes sniper
Well swap to engineer, heavy or pyro when we are desperate
We'll play spy if we are feeling silly
unborn pecan
i would be on pyro all the time
drowsy marlin
You should!
slender nexus
We'll play spy if we are feeling silly
unborn pecan
slender nexus
drowsy marlin
There should be 6s payload
Payload is a great game mode
Or copy overwatch and have hybrid control point to payload
crisp cedar
wait until you find out about dota
whatd dota do
drowsy marlin
King of the kill is basically team death match, while nothing wrong with it, it is kinda lackluster
limpid panther
I'm trying to find the demo now to watch, sounds interesting
next nymph
+25 instant uber is broken
this is true i think something more like +33 would be appropriate
next nymph
because that would be too strong
drowsy marlin
Or what if damage dealt corresponds to the amount of uber gained?
slender nexus
TF2 50v50 battle Royale
drowsy marlin
So a 65 damage swing is +65 uber
Oh, and random crits should bs removed
It's too confusing for new players
high current
King of the kill is basically team death match, while nothing wrong with it, it ...
This is why basically no one likes playing it in 6s ngl.
I mean there is strategy to it but it’s lame in general.
next nymph
random crits removed, now everything is a crit
high current
There should be 6s payload
No. I’ve played 6s payload and if you think 6s is stalematey, you should see it when blue only has 6 people.
drowsy marlin
But when Blu team wins, there's a cool explosion at the end
You don't have that in 5cp
unborn pecan
This is why basically no one likes playing it in 6s ngl.
I mean there is strat...
6s is if you got rid of everything that made tf2 fun
unborn pecan
9v9 is fine as well
drowsy marlin
9v9 is just a watered down pub
unborn pecan
Honestly tf2 should stay 12v12
🤓 erm but 12v12 is uncompetitve!!!!
next nymph
6s is if you got rid of everything that made tf2 fun
like 3 fulltime engies on last
drowsy marlin
Imagine playing spy for 10+ minutes
unborn pecan
so true jarateking
drowsy marlin
Let alone not having the option to swap
3 full time engies on last is unironically awesome
hoary geyser
one player on every class is needed to maintain balance in the universe
drowsy marlin
Taking them down is satisfying
high current
I mean 9v9 is a good gamemode for the “vanilla” tf2 experience. The logistics of a 12v12 team would just be impossible. Organizing 18 players to start on time and having 9 people in voice is already a cluster. If you added 33% more players to it, it just would not happen.
drowsy marlin
oh yeah and nerf the stupid ass WRANGLER
unborn pecan
i would ban wrangler from comp
high current
I agree
high current
As someone who has played no restrictions 6s. No. God no. Bans are good for the comp scene
drowsy marlin
You guys know about that balance mod? It's silly!
unborn pecan
Banning is unhealthy for the game
drowsy marlin
And it makes no sense
unborn pecan
who says we need to be healthy?
high current
I agree the weapons should just be rebalanced. But that ain’t happening.
unborn pecan
You guys know about that balance mod? It's silly!
erm but a youtuber made it? it's gotta be good then
I place 100% faith into the opinions of popular people
drowsy marlin
Erm
unborn pecan
erm
drowsy marlin
Didn't he design a rocket launcher with a bigger splash radius and less damage?
That was the dumbest idea I've ever seen anyone come up with
unborn pecan
it is stupid
high current
In general balance mods tend to devolve into bad.
next nymph
who says we need to be healthy?
doctors
drowsy marlin
Legit letting his bias take over
Like headshotting a medic is the purpose
Why nerf that
high current
The only balance mod I’d be interested in would be one that keeps things relatively vanilla and just bumps down the weapons that people agree are OP but are necessary for the game.
ie wrangle and crossbow
drowsy marlin
I'd rebalnce the vaccinator to have one big uber charge instead of the mini ubers
A resist uber would be interesting
unborn pecan
https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-nurse-cute-adorable-gif-17954177
what a knowledgable doctor!
drowsy marlin
Wait
drowsy marlin
Isn't a balance mod possible with vscript?
unborn pecan
franklin if you go down this line of thinking, something bad is going to happen
next nymph
map specific balance mods
drowsy marlin
Since saxton hale rebalances the weapons
Yeah map specific
We should confuse the players even more
I heart inconsistency
unborn pecan
on 2fort, I would make sniper do 150 bodyshots unscoped
high current
When are we getting x10 highertower officially added?
unborn pecan
whenever fiend makes that map
drowsy marlin
I would make it so if you equip a ghastly gibus, you gain an aim assist
next nymph
optimized hightower:
- improved lightmaps
- removed objective
drowsy marlin
Is aim assist possible in vscript?
unborn pecan
if then looops
high current
I’d make a vscript that makes it so if you select engi or pyro it vac bans you
drowsy marlin
Do: while: loops
limpid panther
found it:
https://demos.tf/1029286#76561198044487625
https://logs.tf/3482951
I'm gonna be watching this game on https://discord.com/channels/389089828249010188/958581537408946256 now
summer steeple
in "auto-record tournament matches" it starts recording as soon as it connects t...
doesn't this not really work because even casual servers use mp_tournament 1
stone nebula
30 minutes in tf2 casual today and i already want to kill somebody
these people are fucking engineered in a lab somewhere
stone nebula
i wish i knew what the fuck i was doing to piss these people off nearly EVERY FUCKING MATCH
NOT PLAYING WELL ENOUGH AND KEEPING SILENT ? DESPITE NOT ACTUALLY BEING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCOREBOARD ?
next nymph
i know it doesnt really fix the issue but i always mute chat
small sirenBOT
stone nebula
they fucking kicked me again
limpid panther
https://tenor.com/view/tf2-engineer-gif-26567122
we should make @raven grove reply with that image every time you say "engineer"
stone nebula
and i didn't even say anything
all it takes is one person to say one thing and the entire fucking lobby is on my ass like clockwork
why doesn't this happen to other people in the games i join
summer willow
left sand
30 minutes in tf2 casual today and i already want to kill somebody
you should play with me again
kind falcon
i wish i knew what the fuck i was doing to piss these people off nearly EVERY FU...
their third eye opens when you join their games…
summer willow
could have a graphical app to edit tf2 huds......
summer willow
i was thinking but i always have "ideas" and no experience so never gets close to start
kind falcon
wow. youre so me
summer willow
maybe i just need a way to write down the structure to what will need to do instead just starting with faith
summer steeple
i've put approximately 1% effort into making one
issues i've encountered:
A. i have no clue how to make a gui app or how to make one with elements you can move around
B. writing a parser for vgui...
C. having a comprehensive database of every single panel in vgui, as well as ones that are hardcoded, either to specific files or to specific values
tbh, the first one is the biggest issue
I already have a relatively well completed list of panel types in vgui
tbh i think if i knew someone who could do the frontend i could probably do the backend relatively well
iirc some people have tried in the past to do a visual editor
not sure how those have turned out
i assume not super successful
perhaps i will attempt to work on it tomorrow
or not
its one of 10000 projects i have
proper tangle
does tf2 crashes under manjaro know?
LLVM update probably
high current
iirc some people have tried in the past to do a visual editor
It’s been discussed a lot. I don’t know if there have been any serious attempts though. I think once you’re deep enough down the vgui rabbit hole to want to do something like that, you have an developed such an intuition for sizing and positioning that a visual editor would slow you down.
To get around some of the logistical issues though, I’d probably just go the route of a general “vgui code generator”. Where it just generates a general element with the parameters you specify, and the user can put those parameters into a desired element if they had a specific one in mind. Rather than straight up generating the .res file. At least that’s made the most sense in my mind when I’ve toyed with the idea.
Though that also sorta makes the user base even more niche, as then someone has to have the knowledge to not just take the code and paste it in a specific element. So they need some competence in vgui but not enough proficiency to want to stay text-only.
next nymph
there was hudcreator.co.uk at one time
left sand
source was uploaded yesterday, coincidentally
ive been working on some cool HUD stuff too :3
but lots of projects have higher priority right now
summer willow
wow, cool
summer willow
issues i've encountered:
A. i have no clue how to make a gui app or how to make ...
i was thinking using godot or even make with html/javascript but would be also very interesting something directly in the source or like a plugin to tf2
high current
Tf2 technically had a vgui build mode I think it’s called. That allows you to generate .res files. I’ve never messed with it but I think jofre has a fair amount experience with it, if you’re familiar with their huds.
summer steeple
It’s been discussed a lot. I don’t know if there have been any serious attempts ...
thats fair tbh, altho personally for me i'm terrible at visualization, so sizing and positioning is not very easy for me. A lot of alt-tabbing out, changing a value, reloading the hud, etc. its pretty tedious for me. Just having a program where I can see the change as soon as i change the value would be nice, plus it'd be helpful for some of those stubborn values that only reload on restart
summer willow
yeah, im kinda the same
summer willow
Tf2 technically had a vgui build mode I think it’s called. That allows you to ge...
i tried using but seems you can only activate when you have something selected/activated, so panels on the hud i can get to show, only menus
radiant merlin
i need a mod that replaces the word "game" in all the comp responses to "fight" or "battle"
next nymph
medic: "I'm gonna saw your lifightnts"
radiant merlin
common tf2c W
slender nexus
why tho
radiant merlin
slender nexus
the update will be nito
formal dew
why does no dx8 fuck up the sdk tools
slender nexus
juts lije meat uour natche
formal dew
fluent dutch
slender nexus
fluent dutch
not enknouge windmil
formal dew
neuken in de keuken
slender nexus
duki nuki
summer willow
parallax corrected cubemaps 😍
summer steeple
why does no dx8 fuck up the sdk tools
off the top of my head, VRAD uses the dx8 models instead of dx9 for some reason
its almost never different, but thats probably one reason
potent wolf
couldn't you just change that?
summer steeple
yes but thats why the SDK compilers won't work anymore
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
they're basically saying you can't use the out of the box SDK compilers on TF2c anymore
which is fine anyway, i think they've recommended slammin compilers for years
radiant merlin
off the top of my head, VRAD uses the dx8 models instead of dx9 for some reason
i hate that shit
because i couldn't compile my dust2 map
due to that issue
i had to copypaste and rename the vmt of ALL the models (a lot)
unborn pecan
common tf2c W
Doesn't TF2C use source sdk 2013?
-ambientocclusion -aoscale 0.5
lol TF2C recommends AO
I rememebr somebody here complaining about AO on source
was it u @summer steeple ?
radiant merlin
it was me
limpid panther
i'm making buildings irl
no you aren't
limpid panther
no you aren't
you still have to pass mecflu
radiant merlin
i already did
radiant merlin
fluid mechanics
limpid panther
i already did <:steamhapp:1133083341726421033>
great job!
do you guys have thermal dynamics too or do you see that as part of another subject?
summer steeple
proper tangle
the update will be nito
oh god the "neato update" memories
drowsy marlin
Tf2c has bad balancing from what I remember
crisp cedar
color me shocked
summer willow
tf2 leaking memory on menu
after the swap my ram started rising, just noticed because my computer started to lag
potent wolf
I don't recall tf2 (significantly) leaking memory in the recent past, is this a new thing?
summer willow
maybe? just happening to me now i guess
potent wolf
also am i misreading it or do you have multiple tf2 instances running?
summer willow
so, i tought that was weird too
potent wolf
?
summer willow
i just open once, when i close everything closes right
potent wolf
huh
summer willow
but i guess is just how htop works, others programs have also multiple showing
cursive peak
There is the memory leak related to corrupt .cache files.
summer willow
actually could be the hud
i installed monohud and is one year old the last version and forget to remove the sound.cache
why tf2 makes sound.cache to everything even when they dont have any sound or sound related? what is the purpose of sound.cache?
paper sluice
you can move the hud character on the scoreboard???
stone nebula
how
cursive peak
classmodelpanel in scoreboard.res, I think.
stone nebula
slender nexus
left sand
some exciting news coming up within the hour!!
next nymph
well thats not very exciting
potent wolf
potent wolf
some exciting news coming up within the hour!!
they're finally shutting down the servers? 🫡
paper sluice
some exciting news coming up within the hour!!
mastercomfig hosted bots are finally coming back?
formal dew
mastercom bots who only target enemy bots
potent wolf
mastercom bots who only target enemy bots
you
hoary geyser
how will this affect fiendhook...
potent wolf
they removed spy!!!
slender nexus
and spy mains
https://tenor.com/view/avengers-endgame-hulk-bruce-banner-i-see-this-as-an-absolute-win-gif-17006739
potent wolf
i'm in one of those groups!
which one?
jagged pawn
32 minutes to go everyone!
summer willow
me when
slender nexus
some exciting news coming up within the hour!!
zamn ten minutes ago was so exciting
drowsy marlin
I played Team Fortress 2 Classic
It honestly was not that bad
If Vanilla TF2 looked as beautiful as TF2C
Holy cow!
But TF2C gameplay... meh
Legit TF2C is probably the most beautiful game I played
summer willow
tf2c is amazing, i just cant play because 200 ping
heavy solarBOT
@summer willow has leveled up! (32 ➜ 33)
wild grove
some exciting news coming up within the hour!!
Guess that news isn't coming anymore lol
left sand
Guess that news isn't coming anymore lol
#announcements📰
wild grove
ohhhhhhh
summer steeple
vgui jank knows no bounds
the upper one, which is using classmodelpanelBG, a pre-existing panel, has artifacting, above and to the right of the image, as well as a weird soft edge at the bottom
the lower one, a panel i just made... is fine
its an issue with CTFImagePanel????
i think i know whats going on
for some reason CTFImagePanel is shifting over the image by like half a pixel
thats simultaneously really funny and extremely frustrating
ok so it affects CTFImagePanel because its inhereting from ScalableImagePanel, rather than just ImagePanel
and ScalableImagePanel seems to do rendering in its own way, rather than the way vgui panels usually do it
summer willow
halloween mode?
kind falcon
halloween mode allows for halloween or full-moon only cosmetics, spells to be active.
potent wolf
🤯
kind falcon
why not?
summer willow
good question
orchid sorrel
summer steeple
my quest to understand and wrangle distancealpha has lead me to a dark place
shader files
for some reason I don't understand, the "softedges" keyvalues affect the outline, and how it gets softened
this is confusing to me because how do you, as a material developer, calculate edge softness based on the alpha of the outline that is based on the alpha of the image
especially because the outline settings already sort of have an edge softening mode to them?
ok i think i get it
the softedges affects the outside of the outline, and the outline settings affect the inside
summer steeple
lmao yeah
no wonder valve just like doesn't use this feature
its a pain in the ass to use
the thing i don't understand now is this setting
if edgesoftness is the outside, what is this
ok it takes over if the edge softness values are lower than it???
i think???
oh hey, a mask
that... doesn't require the motion blur trick
I like just realized that I don't think you even need to use a refract material for masking
hm well I guess you might still want it if you're not using a texture
but otherwise
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
ok i think i actually get it this time
softedges basically edits the image prior to the outline, and then feeds said image into the outline
so because it fucks with the image, thats why it effects it
potent wolf
mastercomfig
jagged pawn
me
summer steeple
I wanted to have the mercs face right on the hud but uh, i didn't think this through
oh yeah also i got the distance alpha thing to work
I just guesstimated until it had the right width
stone nebula
I wanted to have the mercs face right on the hud but uh, i didn't think this thr...
maybe you could have the camera angled up a bit?
summer steeple
i'm gonna just leave them all for now and come back to it later
leave them as default that is
limpid panther
I wanted to have the mercs face right on the hud but uh, i didn't think this thr...
omg yes
big ass face closeup
high fov too so it looks distorted like it the camera is 5 inches from their faces
high current
Spy mains prefer to be able to see demo's feet on the model so they can see if their disguise is broken
paper sluice
a real spy main doesnt go demo
high current
yeh idk
summer steeple
how about i do a big face closeup except for demo which is a big feet closeup
(i won't do this)
left sand
how about you make the disguise panel invisible and disabled
high current
hey thats my shtick
stone nebula
paper sluice
Reminds me of that one crup flup clip
stone nebula
the genuine fear in this spy's face is fucking killing me
im turning face animations back on now
wild grove
That spy donated to a charity based on that medal, based.
limpid panther
im turning face animations back on now
face animations and rag-dolls give me so much joy. Specially in freezecams
whenever I'm not playing demoknight they are always on
proper tangle
im turning face animations back on now
Why did you turned them off in the first place
heresy
wild grove
How can I reduce frame variability? Cause it's at 12 fps variability, do have 138 fps tho.
nah, never mind, it doesn't make a difference too much, still getting more than 60.
limpid panther
I have 3 ping rn
potent wolf
isn't that supposed to be impossible
limpid panther
isn't that supposed to be impossible
as you can see in netgraph, I don't actually have 3 ping
it's just the scoreboard ping meter being funny as always
summer steeple
i'm honestly not sure what ping is accurate
because the steam overlay ping matches the scoreboard for me
stone nebula
rancid screenshot obtained
wild grove
isn't that supposed to be impossible
Idk if it's possible to get 3 ping, it is possible to get 5 tho.
Gotta be close to where the servers are and use fiber.
Someone once questioned me on a ctf well match cause my ping was super low.
summer willow
opengl module is gone?
kind falcon
whar
slender nexus
stone nebula
holy hell
i turned lighting_ex from low to high and my game went from 300 fps to over 1000 this cannot be right
does it seriously affect it that much
is cl_showfps inaccurate it seems like it
stuck locust
i mean it'll affect it for sure
sounds like you're just sitting idly in a small map/room if you're getting 1000+ though
prob not as accurate as a measurement
stone nebula
i'm on altitude
stuck locust
although you are on linux so you'll def get a higher improvement
small sirenBOT
stuck locust
it's recommended to set lighting_ex=high for linux since it just does better with it enabled
also prevents some rendering issues
stone nebula
hmmmm
is it possible to like
use a mod to keep the visual style of phong 0 without rendering reloads
stuck locust
there's probably a mod that does that but i couldn't name you any
stone nebula
just remembered lightwarps exist
limpid panther
i turned lighting_ex from low to high and my game went from 300 fps to over 1000...
don't you mean from high to low?
nvm, its lighting_ex
stone nebula
when i say "this cannot be right" i mean it legitimately i think the in game fps counter is broken
cause it said 1024 fps
and then sometimes 512
limpid panther
then use another one
potent wolf
eating mangohud
stone nebula
just to confirm: i need the 32 bit version right
potent wolf
probably
stone nebula
so apparently tf2 is using like 15% of my cpu but 30-70% of my gpu
and i do have no_texture_stream on but vram usage is under 2gb
wild grove
What?!
formal dew
The secret gpu based source engine buikd
stone nebula
i have a 3070 btw
hoary geyser
sorry tf2 requires at least a 4070ti or 7900xt to run
stone nebula
ok now my entire pc is frozen and my mouse is locked in tf2 and i can't open a terminal
lol
stone nebula
yea i got it lmao
just concerning although i was running with mangohud
slender nexus
it's recommended to set `lighting_ex=high` for linux since it just does better w...
Yeag since mat_phong is rolled into lighting ex if you set it to low on most amd Linux graphics it looks like someone stuck a needle in your eye
potent wolf
sounds fun
slender nexus
stone nebula
thundermountain
half the players left as i was taking screenshot
but our 3rd bottom fragger had 107 points
slender nexus
thundermountain
tsunderemountain
kind falcon
tsunderemountain
orchid sorrel
orchid sorrel
paper sluice
owie
orchid sorrel
orchid sorrel
I like the mechanic hes a fun class
stone nebula
well it gets bigger when you shoot ,
kind falcon
how much lerp does this guy have
1
kind falcon
nothing gets bigger when shooting
it does.
potent wolf
amby accuracy
slender nexus
ambassador is one of the few that does
potent wolf
"There is a short period after firing, indicated by an enlarged crosshair in the HUD, where the Ambassador has greatly decreased accuracy and cannot deal critical damage on a headshot"
slender nexus
crazy statement
ridonkulous even.
stone nebula
how does that make it mroe accurate
it doesn't it shows you when it's accurate again
slender nexus
yeah the timer for that is wrong I think
crisp cedar
but why is it so fucking big
i know why it does the increase in size
but why does it have to be so fucking huge
slender nexus
If you set ur cross hair to max size the ambassador shot cross hair manages to make it bigger
crisp cedar
but why would u need that
slender nexus
🤷♀️
slender nexus
ya
potent wolf
why not
slender nexus
ask Mr valve tf2