I think tomorrow im gonna test out this claim
#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year
limpid panther
high current
There’s a couple like that.
Null.wav
The thumbnail when you join a map without a thumbnail.
Itemeffectmeter_action
All of which can be basically empty. iirc you can get by with singular bytes of data in them.
summer steeple
looking at material shaders
jagged pawn
did you guys know this
jagged pawn
right
unborn pecan
hello tf2 fans
potent wolf
hello tf2 fans
NO I HATE TF2
jagged pawn
it was made as a hate thread
potent wolf
correct.
hoary geyser
which merc do you HATE the most?
they all are bad of course, but which one is the worst?
summer steeple
like personally or to fight
potent wolf
personally i love them all, to fight it would be engineer or heavy
summer steeple
for some reason, i decided to go into third person while disgused
big gun
with the shotgun it looks like i have the big kill or smth
i've never seen this before is this some weird clientside issue when you see yourself in third person while disguised
torn parrot
NO I HATE TF2
same
stone nebula
managed to convince myself that i was lying to myself about how bad mge really is
joined a server with no elo
play 1 soldier duel on gully mid
20-8 (i lost)
other person immediately calls me a sch*zo and removes
asked him to elaborate
he disconnected
such a normal game and gamemode and playerbase
kind falcon
minesweeper is obviously better
stone nebula
true imma do one rn
torn parrot
minesweeper is obviously better
facts 💯 👍 👆
opens up and connects to 50 player TF2 server
kind falcon
facts 💯 👍 👆
why does it seem like you’re overly positive since you came back
you do crack now?
torn parrot
yes, the worst way to do a stimulant ever created
i bitched about camper, so I'd hardly call that "positive"
i mean, ig im not the only one but still
torn parrot
same
on a more real note, ig it's more the community and level of "being a bully is good if for correct reasons" that i hate about a lot of TF2, tho that applies to many games
stone nebula
such a normal game and gamemode and playerbase
i hate bitching so much like this but it feels like this shit never ends
kind falcon
maybe it won’t
stone nebula
i will never stop running into these people and they will never stop actively killing my braincells one by one
i just wish it was less frequent ?!?!
next nymph
with the shotgun it looks like i have the big kill or smth
spy and his massive schlong
summer steeple
absolutely not very happy with this at all
maybe i should get rid of the little ridge at the top and just make it one big box
that way i won't have to worry about what the text actually says
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
probably will make the whole thing bigger too
summer steeple
the fucking jerma basement
also everytime i hear this song i think about this video
left sand
@stone nebula i think mge is useless you should stop doing that 
stone nebula
i just wanna practice airshots against soldiers mostly
i finally found a duel with someone normal and hit like 3 2x airshots over the course of 5-6 duels
which is an improvement over not being able to do it at all before
left sand
but why its kinda silly 
stone nebula
so i can flex on ppl mostly
left sand
isnt flexing kinda toxic
stone nebula
huh
left sand
i think if all you do is play a game to flex, its pretty toxic and can get you into a lot of bad arguments
next nymph
isnt flexing kinda toxic
youtube vanced (injoke)
stone nebula
i dont mean literally
like
it's a power move if someone tries to market garden my medic and i rocket them out of the air yk
it's fun
left sand
idk
left sand
its a bunch of fleeting things
next nymph
your flex is temporary but your elo is eternal, remember that
stone nebula
i wanna at least be at the level where i can compete if one of my friends wants me to
i don't play on elo servers
they're cringe
left sand
but you have rank?
left sand
i thought you talked about people dipping because of that
stone nebula
well yeah on the elo servers which are always the most populated ones
i got lucky today because the no elo ones had players
when they don't i don't play
people still !remove anyways
stone nebula
other person immediately calls me a sch*zo and removes
this was on a server with no elo
tho
left sand
so you do play on elo servers?
next nymph
https://youtube.com/watch?v=61naK3MVpCQ guide to mge
next nymph
every squad got the racist
limpid panther
but why its kinda silly <:SILLY:1119692485854253127>
nah, hitting an airshot is 🔥
torn parrot
because that's how i enjoy it
this, I don't need to get a zilllion medals/prizes but like yeah it feels p cool and fun to pull wildin shit like that
like if there's something that's always pulled me back to it, it's that kind of near limitless possibility
kind falcon
not addicted or anything
torn parrot
you can be a silly goober and look cool, like
torn parrot
not addicted or anything
ok maybe a bit
left sand
nah, hitting an airshot is 🔥
in mge?
summer steeple
white spots of course are icons but i'm too lazy to export them
left sand
i like just playing the game instead of hunting for stuff like that
airshots are not that special imo if you play the game
limpid panther
in mge?
for me it would be because I can't airshot for shit, but yea, it's easier on MGE
limpid panther
i like just playing the game instead of hunting for stuff like that
me too
guys, if anyone by any chance has POV demos from Playoff 2 or Grand Finals of RGL Highlander Season 15, please send it my way
(I already asked on the RGL Discord, I'm just being impatient here)
limpid panther
Tried demos.tf?
those are STV demos
cursive peak
Wasn't there somewhere that had POV demos?
stone nebula
airshots are not that special imo if you play the game
they are because currently i am not good at them
limpid panther
but he is planning to put everything back up shortly
and I've already asked in their discord also
stone nebula
i wanna play with my comp friends
potent wolf
oh you mean those kind of airshots
left sand
shooting someone rocket jumping too
limpid panther
thats waaay harder imo
depends if they know about strafing or not
next nymph
airshots but its only on atomizer scouts
limpid panther
someone jumping straight at me from lower ground? Easy crater.
jumping straight at me from same ground? Harder but I can do it sometimes
strafing and juking me? Fuck no
torn parrot
you just shoot at someones feet and then flick
"just shoot at their hooves!"
torn parrot
airshots but its only on atomizer scouts
oh fuck i forgetthat
limpid panther
I mean, some people subcontiously just strafe for distance (strafe "straight"). If you are in a match with them and you are really try harding you can notice that and start to counter
but besides that, yea it's just luck imo, and they can even just dodge on purpose if they are far enough away
limpid panther
(I already asked on the RGL Discord, I'm just being impatient here)
I made a tftv post: https://www.teamfortress.tv/63585/rgl-hl-s15-pov-demo-thread
stone nebula
shooting a strafer is just luck
i try to strafe unpredictably and people always airshot me
like 9/10 times i jump in on someone on gully mid they're just gonna 2x airshot me
high current
Also people very rarely strafe randomly. You pretty much always have the objective of “live” and often times when you’re flying through the air there’s only a handful of places that would be lest likely to die at. And of those, often times there’s only maybe a couple preferred places.
So with some of that insight you can greatly increase the chances of properly landing the shot based off where you deduce they think is the best odds for them surviving.
It’s effectively just a very flashy rock, paper, scissors match. You have information on the fight up to that point, you know their general objective, and they only have a few ways to get from their position to their objective and you just have to intercept it.
summer steeple
iirc thats the unix like first date
you know how windows is like 1/1/1999
for unix its 1/1/1970
default is the word i was looking for, not first
kind falcon
how does this guy have a primeival warrior from 1970
recovered through steam support
take that as a theory
next nymph
a game theory
torn parrot
@potent wolf 1v1 me
potent wolf
what
torn parrot
1 versus 1
potent wolf
but why
torn parrot
so i can lose and cry
potent wolf
but that won't happen 
potent wolf
ccommand script_debug
flags:
Connect the vscript VM to the script debugger
ccommand script_debug
flags: "cheat"
Toggle the in-game script debug features
wait what
if there are duplicated convar names can you even call the other one?
kind falcon
theory..
stone nebula
if there are duplicated convar names can you even call the other one?
maybe it changes based on sv_cheats value ..?
crisp cedar
why are there so many people showing off their workshop taunts lately
like ive seen atleast 3 well made workshop taunt videos get uploaded in like the recent 10 days
do they know something we dont
stone nebula
do they know something we dont
animation I think
crisp cedar
maybe preparing for scream fortress i guess
potent wolf
maybe it changes based on sv_cheats value ..?
doubt it
formal dew
if you enter it in the console what happens
potent wolf
nothing, and i don't want to bother checking what the command is actually doing
the help command prints the first one, so i assume its init order or smthing
torn parrot
do they know something we dont
Valve is adding only community stuff, so prob more people are finally realizing that, esp. after the summer one
crisp cedar
theyve been adding only community stuff for a while now
torn parrot
even tho thats basically been the case for years now
crisp cedar
like about 4 years
torn parrot
LOL IW AS
4 to5*
was i gonna type u beat me
but yeah, i think its more
people are NOTICING that
kind falcon
they are noticing PATTERNS…
torn parrot
like outside just the "dedicated grumpy long time player"
kind falcon
torn parrot
god dammnit lmao
crisp cedar
like outside just the "dedicated grumpy long time player"
about 90% of tf2s current playerbase
crisp cedar
next tf2 update in general
potent wolf
if dxvk is going to be the in the next update specifically, i will be very happy
left sand
look forward for the next tf2 update
why
crisp cedar
left sand
https://tenor.com/view/zelensky-wink-gif-25088437
im just curious if you are actually excited about dxvk or you think something else is happening
crisp cedar
erm. you ruined the secret (not secret)
heavy solarBOT
@crisp cedar has leveled up! (45 ➜ 46)
crisp cedar
but yes. truly.
next nymph
if there are duplicated convar names can you even call the other one?
try running alias script_debug "script_debug"; script_debug in console and it should fix it 🙂
potent wolf
try running `alias script_debug "script_debug"; script_debug` in console and it ...
my computer has now caught fire, thanks 
next nymph
yeah thats what script_debug is supposed to do
kind falcon
try running `alias script_debug "script_debug"; script_debug` in console and it ...
Thanks! My game is now running at 10,000 fps!
wild grove
do they know something we dont
lmao no, august til september is usually when people in the workshop start posting submissions for the upcoming halloween update.
torn parrot
try running `alias script_debug "script_debug"; script_debug` in console and it ...
evil
@lean cove whens the next mannpower group que??
radiant merlin
1 month without updoots 😦
formal dew
Eric's probably doing some odd jobs for cs2
paper sluice
huge
tf2 mod revival https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1091405849932611635.webp?size=48&name=at_my_limit&quality=lossless
potent wolf
and also player models apparently
paper sluice
yeah you just have to preload the models i thin k
works for any model replacement too i thin k
next nymph
fuck's sake
vgui/replay/thumbails is the one gray-area sv_pure bypass that I figured was sacred since it only really mattered for custom huds, but i worry about it getting patched if it's the easiest fix for arbitrary model/texture replacements
paper sluice
i hope valve just doesnt care enough to do anything 🙏
i dont care if like 1 or 2 people use the dumb vmt wallhackj shit just let me use my mods tf2c does fine with sv_pure 0
😢
formal dew
Good thing the economists haven't cared about tf2 since 2010
I've always assumed the visual pack explanation for sv pure was not entirely true and that the central reason for pure being tightened was to increase potential revenue
next nymph
they fixed material preloading when there was the gamebanana wallhacks, and this is fully capable of that and more
keep in mind that they did not fix nohats
summer steeple
hm
if tf2's hud didn't constantly deal with hardcoded materials i feel like it'd be easy to just blacklist any and all files that already exist in the game from being overwritten at all with sv_pure 1
but there's quite a few files which I know custom huds overwrite because there simply is no way to change what materials the game reads
i wonder if they could just plug up this leak with thumbnails but then just whitelist materials\hud
because the way i'm understanding this, is that via the thumbnails folder you can overwrite any asset
which it has no reason to do
next nymph
might be easiest to just not allow model stuff into materials folders, if my quick skimming doesnt betray me on the details
summer steeple
i thought it already didn't do that, let me check
limpid panther
might be easiest to just not allow model stuff into materials folders, if my qui...
yea, I can only find 2010s style long ass tutorials with "uhhhm.... aaaaand..." kinda hard to understand the details
i think the rest is just fixing file paths from qc and shit like that for any mods you wanna use, right?
summer steeple
it seems like it
next nymph
im not clear why the model is being replaced. The only thing being changed is the materials going into a spot where they aren't affected by sv_pure, right? There should be no reason:
- to use the modded mesh
- to use the material directory of the modded model
unborn pecan
erm
heavy solarBOT
@unborn pecan has leveled up! (61 ➜ 62)
unborn pecan
omg
next nymph
gg @unborn pecan
summer steeple
is this the sv_pure bypass you use 
unborn pecan
erm
unborn pecan
is this the sv_pure bypass you use <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
lol no
this is way too complicated
why fiend
you interested
summer steeple
no, just curious if this was the one you were using
next nymph
how do they taste
formal dew
stale
unborn pecan
I stole three big pink cookies from the valve cafeteria
I love cookies like that
next nymph
ew i dont want cookies that you already tasted
formal dew
They date before they got their new cafeteria with gluten free menus and stuff
formal dew
I sent them to the svalbard seed vault for permanent preservation
unborn pecan
I sent them to the svalbard seed vault for permanent preservation
hell nah not my sugar cookies
next nymph
contact eric smith with sv_pure bypass and ask for a big pink cookie
unborn pecan
I will just go to valve offices myself
formal dew
Cookie sandvich reskin
unborn pecan
isn't it used by a bunch of corpos now
yeah
formal dew
or the whole building idk
unborn pecan
The whole building isn't just valve
cursive peak
I wanna play on the Pyroland floor.
summer steeple
yeah its got a starbucks
unborn pecan
I saw a daughter of a microsoft exec walking around in Bellvue
unborn pecan
yeah its got a starbucks <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
erm
valve brews its own coffee
formal dew
that's the origin of the steam
formal dew
Piping hot Colombian brew
cursive peak
Do they still offer tours?
unborn pecan
they do if you don't ask
cursive peak
Isn't that what that Spy cosplayer attempted during #SaveTF2?
wild grove
they fixed material preloading when there was the gamebanana wallhacks, and this...
Why fucking do that when cheating software is easier to download and use?
unborn pecan
I remember the "protest" during "#SaveTF2"
formal dew
start some new vulkan pipeline dev work so you have a reason to be there
next nymph
I saw a daughter of a microsoft exec walking around in Bellvue
how do you know the appearances of all the daughters of microsoft execs? 🤨
unborn pecan
Discussing cheating software is against da rules :\
unborn pecan
how do you know the appearances of all the daughters of microsoft execs? 🤨
My cousin goes to same mosque they do
wild grove
I aint saying which dude
limpid panther
Isn't that what that Spy cosplayer attempted during #SaveTF2?
no they just went to the door and harassed took pictures with some employees i think
unborn pecan
I aint saying which dude
🤓 👆
formal dew
how do you know the appearances of all the daughters of microsoft execs? 🤨
They are the last human beings in earth using windows phones
unborn pecan
nah they all use iphone
cursive peak
no they just went to the door and ~~harassed~~ took pictures with some employees...
I thought they had attempted to gain entry to the building.
next nymph
Why fucking do that when cheating software is easier to download and use?
ingame sv_pure bypasses are "above board"
unborn pecan
As I have stated many times
THIRD-PARTY SOFTARE SHOULD NEVER INTERACT WITH TF2
Not even through rcon
next nymph
My cousin goes to same mosque they do
i find it hard to believe that every microsoft exec daughter goes to one specific mosque
unborn pecan
i find it hard to believe that every microsoft exec daughter goes to one specifi...
when I say they, I am talking about the specific daughter and family in question
cursive peak
Mosquerosoft
unborn pecan
🤓 Actually, Masjidisoft
formal dew
fun fact
formal dew
The burj khalifa is so tall that people who live up here have to fast for longer because they have a bigger horizon
next nymph
when I say they, I am talking about the specific daughter and family in question
well i was talking about microsoft exec daughters as a whole, so
unborn pecan
The burj khalifa is so tall that people who live up here have to fast for longer...
fun fact
Dubai has no sewers
or
most of the buildings are hooked up to septic tanks
:]
formal dew
southern moment
formal dew
my house had a septic tank until about 10 years ago
unborn pecan
and some shit just falls on you
formal dew
south moment
formal dew
Yes
unborn pecan
fresh fertizilzer for da yard
summer steeple
least unhinged valve comment
cursive peak
Never had any issues with the ones where I've lived.
next nymph
i'll deal with a septic tank if i can get well water too
unborn pecan
i'll deal with a septic tank if i can get well water too
Isn't well water nasty as well?
cursive peak
An ex of mine had well water. It had a high sulfur content.
unborn pecan
Never had any issues with the ones where I've lived.
it is going to blow up and flood your house with poop in 5 seconds 🤯
small sirenBOT
next nymph
i mean if the groundwater is nasty as shit yeah, but not in good places to live
formal dew
Several counties from where I live there's endemic parasitic infestations bc kids walk barefoot and no one has sewer access
next nymph
i dont know a place that doesnt have a water softener tbh
unborn pecan
Several counties from where I live there's endemic parasitic infestations bc kid...
oh yeah
limpid panther
(timestamp)
next nymph
saying that feels to me like saying you want a house with plumbing
unborn pecan
Some doctor tried to get southern people not to walk barefoot
for that infection
but all the southerners said the doctor was a hoax
formal dew
southern people used to have endemic pellegra because of the diet of nothing but corn and salted meat
unborn pecan
cursive peak
I mean, trotting around barefoot is pretty nice.
next nymph
note: its not just that they didnt have sewers, it was that it literally just flowed into their yards
formal dew
big shoe is evil
next nymph
septic tanks would've fixed that too
unborn pecan
southern people used to have endemic pellegra because of the diet of nothing but...
It is still so shocking whenever you see like
Southern white people home cooking
and it's just like
Chunk of meat, carbs, and some shitty steamed vegetables
formal dew
yum
unborn pecan
WAIT
next nymph
on a propane grill with propane accessories
wild grove
yup
unborn pecan
😭
formal dew
Charcoal grill superior
wild grove
someone is doing fempyro as well.
unborn pecan
Charcoal grill superior
Hank HIll will have a talk with you
unborn pecan
someone is doing fempyro as well.
you don't need this workaround for fempyro, I can assure you that
cursive peak
Never even used a propane grill.
formal dew
same
formal dew
never had home natural gas
cursive peak
Quit farting into your grill.
formal dew
just the zap
unborn pecan
Quit farting into your grill.
it's my property, I can do whatever I want
unborn pecan
never had home natural gas
It's very common in American holmes
Usually
Burning natural gas at the house is way more energy efficient than burning it at a power plant, converting it to electricity, than transmitting that electrcitiy
formal dew
damn
unborn pecan
Especially for heaters, dryers, and gas ranges
Also, Natural gas is just cheaper in America
kind falcon
It's very common in American holmes
formal dew
fracking moment
unborn pecan
https://tenor.com/view/benedict-cumberbatch-sherlock-sherlocked-sherlock-holmes-...
I LOVE AMERICA
but
Natural gas I think
is coming less common?
kind falcon
I LOVE AMERICA
benadryl cucumberwatch
cursive peak
I'm deep in TVA country. It's hydroelectric around here.
unborn pecan
We have electric dryers, Heat pumps for homes, and electric ranges and tops
but still
kind falcon
We have electric dryers, Heat pumps for homes, and electric ranges and tops
how do you heat your water
formal dew
I'm deep in TVA country. It's hydroelectric around here.
TVA mentioned 🫡
next nymph
Burning natural gas at the house is way more energy efficient than burning it at...
but is it more efficient than using a series of lenses to harness the sun to heat your food
limpid panther
Never even used a propane grill.
me neither
unborn pecan
Tomorrow is going to be Houston's hottest day on record
formal dew
My uncle was an engineer for tvas nuclear plants
limpid panther
we only use charcoal here mostly
unborn pecan
but is it more efficient than using a series of lenses to harness the sun to hea...
no
limpid panther
we have a lot of trees to burn /s
unborn pecan
gee golly
cursive peak
TN would only have 1 lake if it wasn't for all those TVA dams.
small sirenBOT
unborn pecan
where do y'all get that wood from
formal dew
jupiter
formal dew
the orange color of Jupiter isn't gas
unborn pecan
They ramped up natural gas production
formal dew
It's a thick forest of autumnal trees
unborn pecan
According to an ERCOT report, the major sources of generating capacity in Texas are natural gas (51%), wind (24.8%), coal (13.4%), nuclear (4.9%), solar (3.8%), and hydroelectric or biomass-fired units (1.9%).[10] ```up north ontario gets most of its power from hydroelectric, so they just call it "hydro" instead of "power" and it messes with me every time
unborn pecan
😭 51% natural gas
unborn pecan
up north ontario gets most of its power from hydroelectric, so they just call it...
tf2 reference?
did you guys know
in canada
they call "English" by the word "french"?
formal dew
guy who becomes a hydroelectric engineer solely to design tc hydro in real life
next nymph
i didnt know that
formal dew
Huh
potent wolf
up north ontario gets most of its power from hydroelectric, so they just call it...
this always confused me when i was like 10
formal dew
is something wrong
limpid panther
where do y'all get that wood from
trees
formal dew
Apologies
next nymph
this always confused me when i was like 10
i didnt realize they werent talking about municipal water bills until i was in my 20s :/
unborn pecan
trees
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/666008714393944064.webp?size=64 where do you get those trees from
potent wolf
i didnt realize they werent talking about municipal water bills until i was in m...
EXACTLY
formal dew
it's annoying that hydroelectric power is horribly awful for the immediate ecosystem
The single flaw from perfection
If only water didn't work the way it does
next nymph
we should strap some magnets onto sisyphus' boulder
unborn pecan
we should use reverse osmosis
next nymph
free energy
cursive peak
The dam near me actually submerged an entire town in the resulting lake.
unborn pecan
civil engineering moment
limpid panther
we should strap some magnets onto sisyphus' boulder
we should strap a toast with high quality butter to the back of a cat
cursive peak
It was planned and people were compensated.
limpid panther
next nymph
power source idea: we put a bunch of rockets into space and then we harness their kinetic energy when they fall down
unborn pecan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8yW5cyXXRc
I love this
but poor cat 😿
😔 no kitty should ever be turned into energy
formal dew
I have an idea
formal dew
Simply synthesize a new element that is a room temperature superconductor
superconducterium
unborn pecan
erm
unless you got a particle accelerator
ain't no way that's gonna happen, stupidorealis
next nymph
Simply synthesize a new element that is a room temperature superconductor
ok, i'll go 50/50 on you with this. You had the idea and thats step 1, so I'll do step 2 and make it
unborn pecan
Joe Biden also has a femboy twink giving him maple syrup footjobs underneath the white house, but we can't get what we want
next nymph
i am joe biden
formal dew
Joe Biden also has a femboy twink giving him maple syrup footjobs underneath the...
Good christ
next nymph
wanna share?
that would be some malarkey, no
unborn pecan
Good christ
those are the exact words out of joe biden's mouth after he is done
small sirenBOT
kind falcon
remember: hurricane is a trusted member of the community
formal dew
hopefully I will gain enough posting points to buy trust on the black market
formal dew
(give me ur ssn)
000-0002
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next nymph
wrong page
summer steeple
my brain hurts so much trying to look into this
limpid panther
guys, lets move to #community-archived
potent wolf
my brain hurts so much trying to look into this
truly a fiend quote of all time
unborn pecan
guys, lets move to <#389102232747900929>
🙀
summer steeple
my working theory was that for some reason it was just stripping the actual folder from the filename but that doesn't make sense
kind falcon
guys, lets move to <#389102232747900929>
formal dew
1984
summer steeple
from waht I can tell, a lot of the code does check for the actual models/ folder
so i'm not sure why this isn't
potent wolf
@summer steeple come baaack
summer steeple
to what
potent wolf
tf2 channel
summer steeple
i never left
potent wolf
summer steeple
except to complain that i was getting told to go to #community-archived even tho i was talking about tf2 stuff lol
formal dew
Improper scolding
next nymph
whats your current understanding of how the bypass works fiend, because im not really sure where the filename stripping would come up
summer steeple
specifically i was wondering if for some reason it was loading the files from thumbnails and then stripping the actual materials/vgui/thumbnails or whatever from the filepath so the game thinks its just coming from models/whatever.mdl
but that doesn't make sense because the bypass doesn't have a models folder
like this obviously is part of the problem, but its not realistic for them to remove this
so i'm trying to figure out why tf the game is considering, say materials/vgui/replay/thumbnails/scout.mdl to be the same as models/scout.mdl
next nymph
does the bypass even put the mdl there
paper sluice
the bypass puts the model in the same place
at least the one i put
the only thing that needs vgui folder is textures
prolly leftovers
summer steeple
but custom models don't work in casual at all
but this has a custom model
or works with it
summer steeple
yeah with this bypass
paper sluice
i think its just preloading the model
summer steeple
i thought preloading models didn't really work?
paper sluice
prolly got "fixed" by some update
likely one related to vscript/vsh
or one related to bsp packed stuff
summer steeple
i feel gross having to download this
formal dew
Tyfys
jagged pawn
waiting for the good fempyro mod
kind falcon
you didn’t have to tell that to anyone
jagged pawn
alaxe please update 🙏
summer steeple
7zip doesn't show the whole thing
it only shows that
but its a 200MB vpk
like holy fuck
paper sluice
yeah femmepyro is huge since it messes with all cosmetics
kind falcon
waiting for the good fempyro mod
it’s like waiting for a certain family member.
paper sluice
summer steeple
ok so only materials are in the thumnbails folder
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
so i guess model preloading does work
the reason it has a script at all is so that it can preload all the models it needs
so cosmetics and the like
altho i have to wonder if the vscript preload somehow works different than default preloading
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
i doubt it
unborn pecan
ok
I am going to test femmepyro
without using this new gamebana vscript thing
just my sv_pure swag
summer steeple
i mean material preloading does still mean invisible walls mods
actually, no it doesn't
next nymph
it didnt when they first fixed it, and then it partially reverted at some point
kind falcon
just my sv_pure swag
what could that possibly mean
next nymph
specifically when you sometimes change the shader used in the vmt sometimes
summer steeple
i just realized the reason this works at all is because via model preloading they can just change the $cdmaterials to read from a folder which is whitelisted
next nymph
yeah thats what im thinking
unborn pecan
erm
summer steeple
so material editing only applies to models
summer steeple
so really yeah, the problem itself is just model preloading
next nymph
something is messed up with model sv_pure and its just kinda taken for granted??
summer steeple
the model loading code hurts my brain
kind falcon
Any second now…
unborn pecan
oh wait
next nymph
like not really much attention given until "btw you can change the model to use different materials too"
unborn pecan
I have to relaunch tf2
summer steeple
like there's stuff that talks about fixing up
unborn pecan
I forgot to apply the bypass
kind falcon
I forgot to apply the bypass <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
he forgot to load the hacks.
summer steeple
how is this loaded and fixed up before you do anything
unborn pecan
he forgot to load the hacks.
NO THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE IS USED
summer steeple
the next line is only if its not preloaded
idk, this is like too far over my head for me to even consider trying to figure out the root cause
plus potential changes between current tf2 code and the code i'm reading
unborn pecan
paper sluice
its too late.
jagged pawn
the future is now
formal dew
On December 12 2036 every human being on earth will transform into fempyro
next nymph
fempyro implies the existence of mascpyro
unborn pecan
LIFE
wild grove
something is messed up with model sv_pure and its just kinda taken for granted??
Yeah cause modding community has been fucked by valve for the longest time, you think they wouldn't take advantage?
summer steeple
i can't imagine why valve would want to patch out things that allow people to get wallhacks which are completely undetected by their anticheat
paper sluice
yeah me neither cuz id kindly ask them not to patch it out https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1141607959319822396.webp?size=48&name=axlcry&quality=lossless
wild grove
i can't imagine why valve would want to patch out things that allow people to ge...
Good luck making a 30 GB vpk.
summer steeple
its really easy to make multi-part vpks
like its seriously 2 characters when using vpk.exe
even then, it'd be much easier to instead just give things like players an outline that shows up through walls
wild grove
nope
summer steeple
and thats going to be way less than even 30mb
wild grove
Not possible
wild grove
LMAO
paper sluice
fa il
summer steeple
iirc there's a few other ways tho
formal dew
wait a tick
wild grove
yeah, but going to linux and a specific github page takes less time (I gotta be vague or else I break the rules.)
formal dew
if that's disabled for tf2 models how do player outlines work
summer steeple
they don't use that method
formal dew
o
summer steeple
also, like i said earlier, i think there's an allure of cheats that will 100% be completely undetectable
even if VAC is not the best
there's not a guarantee it won't just... start working on newer cheats someday
overwriting assets completely bypasses that
plus people will do so much mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that they're just cheating and go all the way
wild grove
idk man, sounds delusional.
summer steeple
yes cheaters are delusional
unborn pecan
people who use third-party software with tf2 should be thrown off a bridge into a pit full of water
wild grove
ehhhhh, they are just cheating in a video game, wouldn't go super far. Just take away their electronics. They can't do shit because they still live under their parents roof lol
formal dew
make them work for the irs for 40 years
wild grove
Jumpscare em with a job application.
torn parrot
That's actually kinda low key insulting to people who aren't pieces of shit that cheat but can't work
left sand
Good thing the economists haven't cared about tf2 since 2010
thats wrong, look at quickswitch
torn parrot
Many cheaters prob DO have a job, unfortunately
formal dew
thats wrong, look at quickswitch
Was that more of a money decision or avoiding angry traders decision though
torn parrot
Economist more like :puke:
formal dew
I mean it's connected either way so good point
wild grove
I mean it doesn't change anything economically since stuff that changes wear in war paints don't work with the bypass since the filepathing to em are hardcoded, custom particles don't work still so no bigger, more visible unusuals, you could model swap cheap cosmetics with more expensive ones but that is only going to be seen client side, and same with model swaps for weapons.
limpid panther
thats wrong, look at quickswitch
wasn't that added in 2009?
wild grove
Also the bypass works with cosmetics so big slappy has potential to be a casual compatible mod in the future if someone wants to do that.
formal dew
pretty good
orchid sorrel
shame particles dont work, best reason to join comm servers is to have flame particles that dont look like ass, and dragons fury fireballs that dont blind me whenever I shoot
like what were they cooking with these new flame sprites
looks like they're from a different game
formal dew
Plus they're much more visually unstable
constantly getting stuck on displacements and glitching out if they're fired while moving forward
wild grove
if i wasnt lazy i would just use it for this
Oh that exists but I can't link it here, just check gamebanana and it's there.
orchid sorrel
the mangler skin?
fleet kite
kind falcon
people who use third-party software with tf2 should be thrown off a bridge into ...
crazy statement mr brody
kind falcon
oh wait its disabled in tf2
what’s funny my ignorez mats mod works as intended on jump academy and jump academy only..,,
orchid sorrel
Its a shame valve just never made some kind of workshop based whitelist
jagged pawn
can you explain the post in #announcements📰? I don't understand the logic at all
kind falcon
no
wild grove
can you explain the post in <#389091098922057728>? I don't understand the logic ...
Go on gamebanana and you'll find out.
stone nebula
what’s funny my ignorez mats mod works as intended on jump academy and jump acad...
you can also use commands like mat_fullbright so maybe it's a plugin or something
jagged pawn
Go on gamebanana and you'll find out.
no I know they exist I don't get why they'd be banned here
wild grove
idk, misinfo again like the whole custom animation mods decreasing the reload speed of the weapon in casual prolly.
kind falcon
wild grove
I mean, you can now have some cool stuff in casual like replacing saxton hale with freddy fazbear or replacing the huntsman with a minecraft bow.
kind falcon
freedom to you. enjoy while it lasts
wild grove
Yeah, until like 2-5 years from now.
kind falcon
sure
glass musk
I love that custom weapon models finally work on Casual
small sirenBOT
glass musk
i hope valve just doesnt care enough to do anything 🙏
same
we finally get something nice
next nymph
if valve wanted custom models in casual they could just not have it in sv_pure. They pretty clearly don't want that though
and as far as I'm aware this would probably work in places like competitive league servers, which is bad for them
sv_pure should work as well as it can to plug up exploits, and then server operators should be able to select how they want sv_pure to work
slender nexus
haut saus
crisp cedar
can you explain the post in <#389091098922057728>? I don't understand the logic ...
the word of coms is that if valve wouldnt be happy about it then it shant be posted
no different to when the recent repo leaks were forbidden from being discussed for a good while
valve has sv pure for a reason and they wouldn't be happy with it being bypassed
that is the word. may you live with it
the restriction might be lifted when valve fixes it/doesnt fix it even after like many months later even when the knowledge has become widespread
i expect delfy to make a video on this or sth
small sirenBOT
crisp cedar
either way sharing info about how to do the bypass is forbidden! hope you honor the wish
high current
Wait does #announcements📰 include the more tame sv_pure bypass we have used for huds for the past decade or is it just whatever the new method is?
kind falcon
erm. how come theres a bypass for huds but coloring a health cross like cool hud does does not bypass anything .
next nymph
healthcross is hardcoded to use a specific material
kind falcon
next nymph
Wait does <#389091098922057728> include the more tame sv_pure bypass we have use...
i feel like hud methods are acceptable simply because valve is obviously aware of them and hasnt ever tried to do anything about it
limpid panther
Wait does <#389091098922057728> include the more tame sv_pure bypass we have use...
you can discuss them, linking to resources or instructions about it is not allowed
crisp cedar
Wait does <#389091098922057728> include the more tame sv_pure bypass we have use...
the new method
wild grove
i feel like hud methods are acceptable simply because valve is obviously aware o...
Wanna bet?
kind falcon
bet on what
stone nebula
isnt the hud method very similar to "new" method ..?
if not identical actually lmao
kind falcon
the map surely doesnt do anything!
next nymph
isnt the hud method very similar to "new" method ..?
yes and no. It's the same material directory but the question remains why is it letting you point materials to there in the first place or why does it keep the modded models (including their mesh, which should be unrelated) at all
if you patched out the directory that huds use, the new stuff would still "work", it'd just be a missing texture / have to point to a texture that's already in the game. Maybe there'd be other stuff you could do to get the materials to work, who knows? But the mesh and any other model stuff would be there as far as I can tell regardless -- and the root problem is that it shouldn't
summer steeple
HOW DID HE GET UP THERE
radiant merlin
funny pixelwalk
high current
My guess is he got juggled up there and just decided to stay
kind falcon
hevy
summer steeple
can't think of any concepts for hud panels, so i'm doing more final versions of the panels themselves in blender
summer steeple
blender is the best vector program i have lol
i'm not even using grease pencil, this is all 3d with bezier curves
its actually kind of annoying to get a blender workspace setup for the sake of "rendering" out flat material based (no actual textures just solid colors) with transparency
mystic turtle
can't think of any concepts for hud panels, so i'm doing more final versions of ...
Cool
I've been goofing off with custom pallettes on my own PC
And it's made me consider making a hud myself
summer steeple
don't
cursive peak
I really didn't think it was that bad, but I also wasn't doing anything fancy.
mystic turtle
I just wanna make a flat-ish hud and try out various palettes for it
Who knows, I might be able to give TF2 the KDE aesthetic
A shame Breeze is kinda low-contrast
radiant merlin
paper sluice
no spy concise menu ??? https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1130016369488953424.webp?size=48&name=fuWTF&quality=lossless
stuckstab
radiant merlin
my fingers are kinda large and i have no problem reaching to the 9
kind falcon
who disguises as spy.
next nymph
how large are your fingers that you can reach 9 from wasd
limpid panther
no spy concise menu ??? https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1130016369488953424.we...
dude, every time you use an emoji like that I click on the link as if it was an embed fail
not realizing that the embed was there right under it
next nymph
embed success
slender nexus
i use steam deck and the spy menus take a fair bit of time to go thru even with concise enabled
radiant merlin
i wish radial menus weren't exclusive to steam deck
slender nexus
i wish radial menus weren't exclusive to steam deck
So true bestie
limpid panther
when old demo playback breaks, do they usually increase the protocol version listed in the demo file or do they leave it the same?
potent wolf
when old demo playback breaks, do they usually increase the protocol version lis...
i don't think they did last time, just a datatable mismatch
whats the context of the question?
limpid panther
whats the context of the question?
someone in another server asked if there was a way to tell if a demo is broken or not by looking at the file, so I was looking at demos from before July 24th and after on a hex viewer and noticed they have the same protocol version and that was weird for me because one would think that if they changed the structure of a datatable they would make it a different version
potent wolf
someone in another server asked if there was a way to tell if a demo is broken o...
maybe you could check for differences in the datatables?
left sand
someone in another server asked if there was a way to tell if a demo is broken o...
they forgor it would break
orchid sorrel
summer steeple
they could probably retroactively update it but oh well
orchid sorrel
i had no idea inspecting your upgrades made you immune to player nudging
potent wolf
they forgor it would break
oh yeah just change all the fixed-size arrays that won't break anything
orchid sorrel
@left sand 80 player mvm but the catch is theres no upgrades 
kind falcon
slender nexus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/992118472907698269/1141109603350880306/...
is this the soggy cat but not soggy?
slender nexus
summer steeple
we angy (/female)
kind falcon
we angy (/female)
wow. is that a tone tag?
summer steeple
good question, its just the name of that sticker
slender nexus
slender nexus
glad youre educated
ime so smart
kind falcon
you graduated hustlers university
slender nexus
you graduated hustlers university
yeag I have a degree from thug shaker university
kind falcon
yeag I have a degree from thug shaker university
the what
kind falcon
what
torn parrot
more liek cumshaker
slender nexus
slender nexus
more liek cumshaker
torn parrot
im not that white passing soz
radiant merlin
summer steeple
in today's episode of "fiend puts way too much effort into tiny micro optimizations"
through sheer coincidence, my hud panel textures are all grayscale, which means I can use IA88 to make sure that the colors are exactly what they should be (because i'm stupid like that and noticed a very tiny weird color on DXT5), and have good alpha, and its smaller than BGRA8888
the visual issue on DXT5 is so small its probably unnoticeable
but i'm dumb :)
can you see the tiny DXT5 visual artifact
at a size bigger than you'll see it ingame
actually with IA88 the transparency is slightly better, so it'll look a bit more anti-aliased
I once again doubt if it'd even be visible
kind falcon
summer steeple
the question is
DXT5 for 128kb file but extremely minor visual artifacts
or
IA88 for 256kb file but no artifacting and slightly better anti-aliasing
yes, this is the depths of my stupidity
i am debating quality over a difference in 128kb
next nymph
I would consider rescaling the image before I consider switching formats at that point tbh
summer steeple
i mean i bet if i use the next size up at DXT5 it'll be the same filesize as IA88 currently but still have some visual artifacting
next nymph
I wouldn't worry too much about microoptimizing filesizes though, tf2's gigabytes big so you can live with 128kb
summer steeple
yeah exactly thats why i said it was stupid lol
next nymph
i mean i bet if i use the next size up at DXT5 it'll be the same filesize as IA8...
not quite. A 2x scale is 4x the pixels
summer steeple
o right
i forgot
bruh the biggest visual artifact i noticed on DXT5 literally isn't there at double res
summer steeple
can you see the tiny DXT5 visual artifact
which, to answer my own question was a 1pixel tall line where for no reason the color was tinted green
even though it had no reason to not be the color above it
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
well, 512kb (oh no how will it fit on my floppy disk), but this'll still be pixel perfect even at 4k, so i'd say thats actually probably a better deal anyway
slightly lower quality pixels, but more of them
actually just found out that because of the way i'm doing this its actually uh slightly higher res
than pixel perfect
so now i'm wondering if it'd be worth tweaking to make it pixel perfect or not
i mean tf2's filtering should handle the downscaling just fine, who cares if its pixel perfect
summer steeple
huh
apparently a lot of the ingame hud materials use distance alpha
in fact, these files are basically entirely done programmatically
specifically the actual panels
they're made up of a gradient, a detail texture which is a mask of the actual shape (interesting since this is usually used just to add extra detail when you're close to textures, here they're using it just as a mask), and then various distance alpha features give it the outline, as well as a subtle drop shadow
actually really smart, cause it means it scales perfectly
and its... kind of making me regret making actual textures because i'm seeing now that I could've easily done what they did and made something that is done at runtime based on your resolution
i'm sure that like 1000 people could've told me about this but i uh, am not in the huds.tf discord server
kind falcon
summer steeple
still, this is pretty neat! I thought that they only used distancealpha for the spy outline when you disguise, not for the most prominent parts of the hud
still wondering why they don't use distancealpha for overlays like they showed off at siggraph in 2007
the one issue is that I uh, don't know how to make a distance field
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
i know vtex can make them, but i think its a bit weird?
summer steeple
oopsie
worked out ok, has a few pixels on the very edge that got removed
this is... actually interesting because... they use distance alpha with a texture that is up against the edge
lets see what fucking around with various settings can get me
ok i think vtex is just cursed
because i did a very naughty thing with some files i may or may not be supposed to have with some funny parameters for vtex and it still doesn't work
so it probably worked in like... 2006
but it doesn't now
good news, with 1 minute of googling i found a program that can make distance field textures
and even better, it mentions the valve paper
AAAAAAAA FUCK
i hate
ok, with a bit of help from the issues page, it actually still works in the latest version
i am going to blow up a house
unborn pecan
swag
summer steeple
i hope these messages get across my insanity and desperation
kind falcon
i hope these messages get across my insanity and desperation
they do. i love when you do your fiendblogging stuff
summer steeple
i'm so glad
i'm about to manually transcribe this svg to the text format that this program accepts
unborn pecan
fiend create fiendblog
so people can link to "this weird essoteric blog I found" in 5 years
summer steeple
i started working on one a while ago
css hurt my brain and i haven't gone back lol
i figured it out
in a better way
the blender plugin for some reason uses your material name as the name of the path in the file, which is not a big deal
the bigger deal is that it does not remove spaces from this
svg does not support spaces in ids
well it... didn't stop me from doing anything lol
but it did output a black png
progress
I forgot to tell it how to scale the vector for my image
distance field real
position is wrong, but i can fix that
fixed
i'll need to tweak my process a bit
but this does... work
I just had a split second thought of "wait how would this work in game the bottom of the hud element isn't the bottom of the screen wouldn't that get an outline"
but i remembered that its based off of the alpha value
so its fine
actually i bet i could quickly test this ingame by just overwriting the current health panel
kind falcon
fiend create fiendblog
that would require text editing . i like fiend noteblog more
unborn pecan
true true true
summer steeple
i'm having to close so many windows lmao
unborn pecan
use a tiling window manager
summer steeple
it works
summer steeple
use a tiling window manager
bro i use win+tab all the time and thats basically that
unborn pecan
Most optizmied tiling window manager right there
(so do I fiend)
I tried tiling like 3-4 times, and I always thought it sucks for my workflow
summer steeple
yeah i use this like 10% of the time
for me its like alt-tab most of the time
taskbar secondary
and then win-tab even less
in this case i used it because i had so many windows open that alt-tab couldn't show all of them at once
ok so
now that i've gotten it to function
here's some things i've got to work on
- better workflow (might require learning python to add an input sanitizer to this blender addon)
- need to figure out how to erxport at the right scale (it made using the distance field generator annoying)
- gotta increase how far the distance field expands, i picked 8 pixels cause i thought that was what i was using on vtex but it apparently is no where near as much
pray for me
i'm not doing it tonight
lean cove
thats weak
not my choice
left sand
i'm having to close so many windows lmao
use winxp taskbar
hoary geyser
I did
potent wolf
lies
hoary geyser
no, it is the truth
potent wolf
Most optizmied tiling window manager right there
fiendows 12 when
high current
Is there like a massive bot invasion going on rn? Casual seems flooded by them and uncletopia appears to be ddosed
unborn pecan
fiendows 12 when
so true
wild grove
Is there like a massive bot invasion going on rn? Casual seems flooded by them a...
I only noticed the summer maps having em, every other map seems fine.
I have to basically wait til halloween to play the summer maps without bots cause the bots are going to go to the halloween maps until the event is over.
then they will invade popular regular maps for a bit until december where they are gone again for a bit before hitting up the smissmas maps.
potent wolf
formal dew
Apollo
proper tangle
thoughts on this?:
https://www.reddit.com/r/truetf2/comments/164nggi/tf2_is_being_bottlenecked_by_its_32_bit_2gb_ram/
potent wolf
I wouldn't trust any executable modifications not to get you vac banned
cursive peak
Has anyone benchmarked it yet? Are we positive it won't trigger something in VAC? This will also have to be performed after any update that touches the executable.
Also, I heard rumors of a 64 bit update for the game anyway. Why not wait for that?
left sand
stupid
because tf2 is already large address aware
4gb is the cap
not 2gb
this post is not researched at all
it would only work on l4d1
that is the only valve game that is not large address aware, afaik
summer steeple
classic truetf2 moment
slender nexus
Free VACation for everyone who used this patch?
formal dew
no one should be able to post on truetf2 or github without at least a bachelors in computer science
slender nexus
inb4 this is actually a trap made by a bot operator to get people banned
kind falcon
free vac and you know
kind falcon
inb4 this is actually a trap made by a bot operator to get people banned
erm why are you revealing my plans
potent wolf
erm why are you revealing my plans
erm, banned
kind falcon
for what?
slender nexus
erm why are you revealing my plans
kind falcon
im spreading malware on reddit not on discord
slender nexus
im spreading malware on reddit not on discord
Freddit Fazbear
potent wolf
im spreading malware on reddit not on discord
exactly, why are not spreading malware here
that is a problem
kind falcon
crazy
proper tangle
wait, what, I didn't receive any update notification
kind falcon
https://www.reddit.com/r/truetf2/comments/164ix8w/tf2_update_released_for_august...
awesome username
slender nexus
left sand
wait, what, I didn't receive any update notification
thats how accurate truetf2 is
potent wolf
they can predict the future
kind falcon
they can predict the future
the so called engine prediction
erm. what was that @potent wolf
i see noew
potent wolf
found better react
kind falcon
better react
potent wolf
reactjs
kind falcon
explod-board
summer steeple
https://www.reddit.com/r/truetf2/comments/164ix8w/tf2_update_released_for_august...
people are falling for it
potent wolf
potent wolf
people are falling for it
i'm playing the new update right now actually!
kind falcon
im playing the new update i made it myself
summer steeple
does it make tf2 use 4gb of ram
kind falcon
it actually uses 16
summer steeple
no way
proper tangle
thats how accurate truetf2 is
slender nexus
doesn't tf2 already use more than 4gb
summer steeple
no it’s 32bit
kind falcon
doesn't tf2 already use more than 4gb
No.
summer steeple
it’s limited to 4gb
cursive peak
Truetf2 was much better back when it was largely competitive focused, before it became the place for TF2 players to Reddit without the meme fest of the main sub.
kind falcon
truetf2 is a place to post memes that look like something serious
small sirenBOT
kind falcon
mm,.. updated BALLS... now able to BALLS on BALLS...
slender nexus
mm,.. updated BALLS... now able to BALLS on BALLS...
cursive peak
I think both those truetf2 posts are gone now. They at least don't show for me on the subreddit.
slender nexus
I think both those truetf2 posts are gone now. They at least don't show for me o...
Yeah it said mods deleted it
it may have actually been a ploy by some malicious actors
slender nexus
whoever downloaded it is now probably a part of some botnet
slender nexus
they still show up for me
reload the page and check
kind falcon
checked.
slender nexus
oh wait its still up
I was looking at the update post
the update post got deleted but the patch one did not
slender nexus
radiant merlin
left sand
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/3446 btw about l4d1
lethal moth
thoughts on this?:
https://www.reddit.com/r/truetf2/comments/164nggi/tf2_is_bei...
brings me back to the good ol' days where people would fucking eviscerate their game files and their computers in order to get no performance improvement at all
radiant merlin
i was one of them
unborn pecan
<:yeet:424702766049656842> brings me back to the good ol' days where people wou...
Fallout new vegas
lucid basin
thoughts on this?:
https://www.reddit.com/r/truetf2/comments/164nggi/tf2_is_bei...
whats wrong with this person
unborn pecan
they are wrong
lucid basin
yes i know but why are you Wrong and advocating to drag other people into your wrongness
What the hell
Definitely should be removed coz everyone who does that is probably going to get a flag on their acct to get future vac banned lol
though i think VAC might also just straight up say "youre in insecure mode verify your files" or whatever the fuck