wtf
#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year
left sand
radiant merlin
POG
cursive peak
Eh, fuck him.
jagged pawn
LMFAO
crisp cedar
why
jagged pawn
will mods get mad at me if I call you a weird person again
because I really want to but I won't do it if the mods tell me not to
crisp cedar
i only deal with the aftermath
formal dew
who
formal dew
speak softly and carry a big stick
crisp cedar
just no trouble please!
jagged pawn
speak softly and carry a big stick
isn't having a cool mustache and hating south americans a prerequisite for this strategy
wild grove
It's great that he isn't being targeted too much like what happened in was it 2018?
left sand
jerma vs star jerma vs star
wild grove
we're in the so back part, when is the it's fucking over part?
limpid panther
yooooo
@left sand see? I told you jerma is mad pt.4 was real 😤
I was just a little early 😊
people are trade offering him so much shit omg
including an australium sniper rifle
limpid panther
they are disgusting
summer steeple
bring back cheeseburger guy
limpid panther
he just said he wanted to bring back cheeseburger guy
limpid panther
Versus Saxton Hale has just been reenabled, i think
orchid sorrel
not seeing it
limpid panther
nvm, i was mistaken
hoary geyser
contributor role revoked...
jagged pawn
idk where to request this but we need an anti-contributor role for people who detract from the quality of the server
I nominate myself btw
potent wolf
my apologies, I was not trying to bamboozle you guys
I love that word
summer steeple
i lvoe displacements
if only this damn branch of the engine had seamlessscale
literally exists for the purpose of making displacements suck slightly less ass by making texture stretching not a thing
radiant merlin
metacritic score 
summer steeple
radiant merlin
summer steeple
oh
tacit flare
What is this?
radiant merlin
valve added metacritic score to the tf2 steam page
summer steeple
big news
tacit flare
valve added metacritic score to the tf2 steam page
summer steeple
actually, they didn't add it
they accidentally removed it
and then re-added it
tacit flare
radiant merlin
bruh
potent wolf
Im not a mesa expert, but it seems that they check the process name, which is the same for tf2 and hl2 (hl2_linux), which means its already enabled for tf2
heavy solarBOT
@potent wolf has leveled up! (40 ➜ 41)
mystic turtle
<@969548883858427957> youre making me look like im talking to noone <:glub:96188...
I got confused for a bit, hurricanepootis said a few years back when mesa_glthread true started coming out that it was enabled for TF2 due to HL2 and TF2 having the same binary name (hl2_linux)
I was slightly suspicious that that wasn't the case, as TF2 was mentioned nowhere
Unless Mesa only cares about the binary name, in which case, I've proven myself a doofus
unborn pecan
I got confused for a bit, hurricanepootis said a few years back when mesa_glthre...
mesa_glthread=true is enabled for any process that has the hl2_linux name
It is about the binary name
mystic turtle
true, I knew it
potent wolf
You don't have a random copy of the mesa sources on your computer?
mystic turtle
Nope, I looked up their repo
Oh, well, time to look for other spots to try and patch up TF2
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
fucking piece of shit
also a massive fan of when edges just disappear behind the geometry so you can't see them and have to guess
mystic turtle
oof
summer steeple
like i cannot stress enough how godawful displacements are to work with
i've seen people say "oh its not too bad once you learn it"
which is fucking WRONG
there are no precision tools
at all
its basically entirely based off of brush geometry you have to setup beforehand to be PERFECTLY aligned so that it sews together, or you can just say "fuck it" and have it clip through (valve does this a lot)
if a vertex clips through another one (as seen 2 images up), good fucking luck trying to fix that
mystic turtle
ah, yes
this is the pain of sorse
formal dew
aint decals also fucky with geometry
summer steeple
uh idk
formal dew
like if you put down a spray and it wraps around to the other side of the terrain
mystic turtle
you do have to attach them to a surface though, so I could see some trouble on real curved surfaces
mystic turtle
anyways, now to go back to figuring out how to not constantly run into "out of memory or address space" errors because Mesa's OpenGL doesn't know how to handle allocation on 32-bit systems that well (and x86 programs as well, given that they can only have 4 gb allocated at once)
(in any way that allows the game to not have playstation 2 graphics)
formal dew
mystic turtle
Yeah, I've seen that myself
Speaking of sprays, I should get my old spray back
I haven't lifted my sprays from old installs of TF2 (before I nuked windows from my laptop, I copied the entirety of C: to a hard drive)
radiant merlin
😵💫
jagged pawn
most important community fix https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2996565646
spare obsidian
i see why they don't add newer branch shader features: compiling times
even on valve's HW the shader compiling times in source are extremely painfull
i tried doing a full engine shader rebuild and it almost took me a week to finish lol
it doesn't help that their software specifically made for this job has a memory leak lol
meaning that it has the potential to crash at any time
summer steeple
isn't there someone who was optimizing the fuck out of those shaders
oh wait you were the person who brought that to my attention LMAO
small sirenBOT
spare obsidian
brah yeah all what i said is basically from them lol
shadercompiler.exe is literally broken because it doesn't free CCommand memory pointer every time its invoke to compile a shader
meaning it keeps making a call for that until it crashes
i want to summit a fix for this because technically the tool its on the sdk2013/tf2 engine binaries
my friend literally said that fixing that memory leak makes shadercompiler a more beareble program since it doesn't hog your memory
mystic turtle
my friend literally said that fixing that memory leak makes shadercompiler a mor...
Implying there's a fix
Is there one?
spare obsidian
yes there's one it just said that lol
mystic turtle
Hm, I see
This is something that could deserve the TF2 community fix tag tbh
Newer shaders would optimize their memory consumption and make them more efficient while giving opportunities for new map effects and unusuals, right?
summer steeple
i don't think it effects the ingame shaders, just compile times for devs
in theory the shaders themselves could be optimized
the HL2 core shader could be made to not have a hardcoded position on the map
mystic turtle
Oh well
Maybe I should go try TC2's last test
Just to see what TF2 can do once actually optimized
unborn pecan
this cat is my gpu
it can compute 2 pixels a minute
and it even supports opengl 1.0
🔥
burnt dragon
kudos to people playing a gamemode that still hasnt released
small sirenBOT
unborn pecan
kudos to people playing a gamemode that still hasnt released
it was released
just not enabled in casual
kind falcon
too bad the original va hasn’t given permission
unborn pecan
Versus Saxton Hale was always a community mod
kind falcon
that one is too manly and saxton haley
burnt dragon
eh, thats the best quality you can get from community, its great nonetheless
tf2 community is one of the hardest working communities out there
unborn pecan
You can say that about a lot of communities
summer steeple
too bad the original va hasn’t given permission
apparently what happened was at the time the og VA was contacted they were hacked, so they only even found out about the whole situation after it was added to casual
but its too late now i think, cause contributors are all locked in
for maps afterwards tho maybe
kind falcon
that’s interesting
summer steeple
shame really
kind falcon
shame really
anyway fniend. how’s payday2 been for you
summer steeple
game sux
nah its pretty fun
I remembered hating it because of how weightless everything felt
which i still feel to an extent but it depends on the guns
pistols feel the best for me but they kinda suck unless you have a good build
kind falcon
which i still feel to an extent but it depends on the guns
me when i akimbo two smgs
summer steeple
i was really disappointed that there's no way to just have 1 smg in a primary slot but i've been using the lion's roar rifle with good stability and its basically an smg lmao
who needs scoping, just hipfire
potent wolf
why?
radiant merlin
summer steeple
isn’t it cheat locked in csgo
radiant merlin
yes
crisp cedar
ignore all delfy posts
hide all delfy posts
do not reply to delfy posters
summer steeple
apparently like all the known map exploits on the summer maps are already fixed and we’re just waiting for valve
formal dew
it at least makes theoretical sense in csgo because your viewangle could be used to get precise grenade throws
radiant merlin
and pixelwalks
summer steeple
if they made a command that just showed velocity i’d use that instead
i can live without position
formal dew
didnt they do that in csgo
summer steeple
idk
lean cove
💣 legalize nuclear bombs
is it just me or is this emoji almost invisible on stock discord theme
you'd think they'd fix that
potent wolf
discord fixing something?
unborn pecan
is it just me or is this emoji almost invisible on stock discord theme
it is invisible on stock theme
next nymph
valve should mark cl_showpos as a cheat command
okay but only if noclip stops being a cheat
paper sluice
valve should mark cl_showpos as a cheat command
No
radiant merlin
updoot?
formal dew
they added the grill to the main menu
left sand
left sand
I think they're currently testing it on live
before releasing patch notes
jagged pawn
lmfaoooooo there's no way that's real
slender nexus
lol why does it look like there's strands of poop under the grill
formal dew
radiant merlin
i got the red one
formal dew
they added a background too
heavy solarBOT
@radiant merlin has leveled up! (17 ➜ 18)
slender nexus
waiting for the TF2 site to say anything
left sand
left sand
hoary geyser
got in a server as well
radiant merlin
nooo
hoary geyser
it's vsh for sure
radiant merlin
vsh2
hoary geyser
vscriptsh
formal dew
i'm clocked in too but wfh baby
radiant merlin
damn i can't find a server
formal dew
but i'll clock out before opening the game
radiant merlin
allchat enabled lol
summer steeple
bruh the grill render looks so bad on the main menu
formal dew
and the background doesnt work
radiant merlin
#tf_default_itemdef
summer steeple
i think partially the issue with the grill render here is the angle
like all the mercs on the main menu are nearly always like face on
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
and this is at an angle that’s sharp enough that it’s really clear that it’s a flat image
hoary geyser
little did we know, they actually added 14 new weapons
small sirenBOT
serene yarrow
fiend post update waiting room?
left sand
@paper sluice did they update the voicelines
wild grove
yeah valve needs to update the default hud
this looks less worse with minimal hud but still.
hoary geyser
lol
radiant merlin
ARENA IS BACK
formal dew
huh
left sand
what
hoary geyser
it just turned into arena mode with blu having saxton
left sand
hoary geyser
yeah that happened in my server too
radiant merlin
yeah that happened to me too
hoary geyser
after saxton lost
formal dew
tf2 not explode when swapping between vsh and other gamemodes challenge
spare obsidian
i think the easy solution would be just making this an actual gamemode tbh lol the fixes are literally hacks in code lol
formal dew
valve takeover
radiant merlin
"Fixed Bubble Breeze, Global Clusters, Celestial Starburst, and Sylicone Succiduous Unusual effects not following moving players"
oh no the economy is ruined
formal dew
vsh uses a server timer and no round limit
formal dew
it is like that in casual
left sand
and in their tests they probably like
didnt get to do as many rounds
so the server is configured to like
revert or something
to go to the next map
formal dew
odd
spare obsidian
"Fixed Bubble Breeze, Global Clusters, Celestial Starburst, and Sylicone Succidu...
oh no the economy its ruinned!!!,,,,
unborn pecan
Where are the patch notes
spare obsidian
slender nexus
spare obsidian
formal dew
saved
left sand
unusual effects getting patched to follow players
that unlocks a lot of possible fixes if theyre comfortable doing that
slender nexus
boolet
summer steeple
vsh gone again lol
jagged pawn
RNG SEALLLLLLL
summer steeple
i was trying so hard to get home so i could finally play vsh
formal dew
summer steeple
it turned into arena mode with hale on 1 team
also this, which is a good sign
basically for some reason the cvars used for the gamemode seem to just revert to regular casual sometimes
jagged pawn
yeah apparently it forgets that hale is supposed to be alone after enough matches
summer steeple
at least that’s what i’ve been reading
summer steeple
as seen with this image from coms
where it just disables the gamemode flag and sets mp_tournament 1 again
wild grove
at least we're almost there. The gamemode is working for a bit, it's just issues spawning after enough time.
summer steeple
ye
we started with servers crashing
and now we’re at the point where it can be played in casual
for a bit
spare obsidian
ngl i wish if valve could allow players to opt-in for future update testing
summer steeple
that would require them to not have the entirety of every updates be a surprise
which is too hard for them
summer steeple
they’ve done betas in the past haven’t they?
left sand
but its hard to make sure that wont split off the playerbase, wont have effects on server hosting and splitting up matchmaking
summer steeple
ye
i think that sort of thing works better in a much more controlled game environment, and also games with seasons
cursive peak
Use the prerelease branch again?
summer steeple
games where they basically completely publicize entire updates months in advance
grave badge
can anyone get a screenshot of the grill telling players to do the tutorial or whatever
need that
smoky notch
i got the red one
lite!
summer steeple
fiend post update waiting room?
its kinda hard to tell a lot of changes because the gametracking-tf2 repo doesn't store changes for some of the things anymore, but here's what I got
-Added startup background image
-(internal change) replaced localization string #GameType_Misc with #GameType_VSH
-Map stamps for VSH maps now say the map is a VSH map (rest of the maps added this update still say attack/defend because john valve is a very tired man and forgot)
-Selbyen strange prefix is now "Souvenir" instead of "Tourist-Trapped"
-Tiny rock strange prefix is now ACTUALLY "Tiny" instead of "Tiny Fists" (valve fucked this up last update)
-All the VSH maps now no longer have the "VSH" prefix when the map name is shown (except nucleus, which now has it as a suffix because its a variant)
-The menu photos for a lot of the new maps changed? not sure why or what got changed about them
-Main menu links to update and blog pages now are https instead of http (at least in the hud file, i think it did this behind the scenes already?)
-obligatory competitive medal additions
also, this patch note is wrong, and was the patch note for VSH nucleus last update (same author, apparently sent patch notes in the same email),
also, the grill is apparently a demoman
summer steeple
yeah
slender nexus
that demo
summer steeple
busters are demo with caber
horsemann is demo with headtaker
and grill is demo but grill
radiant merlin
its kinda hard to tell a lot of changes because the gametracking-tf2 repo doesn'...
Competitive?
radiant merlin
i added him to talk about a texture i thought he created
small sirenBOT
radiant merlin
he told me it was actually neo
summer steeple
bro the grill render ingame unironically looks better because the shadow is softer
altho the higher resolution image also shows off more weird oddities
like this weird shine cutoff
it could be fine tbh, but it looks weird t ome
they forgor to shade smooth the base of the grill
this was covered up by the tf2 logo before
it also seems like they lessened the smoke and touched up the render a bit as well?
if this was rusty before you couldn't tell
unborn pecan
Holy shit
Cp_steel has so many changes
You could say they erm
Tempered that steel
summer steeple
the smoke looks a lot better and more tf2-like now
unborn pecan
formal dew
grill picture 2.0
unborn pecan
I love grilling
radiant merlin
"Removed collision from seagulls"
They could write it like "Sadly removed collision from seagulls"
to reference that csgo bug
i hope they added an easter egg too
unborn pecan
Eggs r yummy 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
radiant merlin
summer steeple
the blue and red grill renders are ever so slightly different in weird ways and i don't know if its dxt compression, some weird other thing (it almost looks like one render is antialiased and the other isn't, pixels that should be identical are ever so slightly different)
like the blue legs have a very very subtle shine on the foot itself (remember when i was complaining about it)
summer steeple
but the red one has less
and idk if this is like
a downsampling glitch
or if the textures are different (could be on the sentry textures to idk)
jagged pawn
arg
summer steeple
oh and btw, according to the characterbackground file, which handles these images showing up
the grill is a demoman
or atleast is advertising for him
jagged pawn
yeah you mentioned earlier, that's really funny
jagged pawn
i'm fucking
congrats
summer steeple
radiant merlin
summer steeple
sorry that cs2 water still got me
jagged pawn
LOL
radiant merlin
omg
unborn pecan
sorry that cs2 water still got me
Bro you're so real for that gif
summer steeple
lmao
unborn pecan
SOURCe engine water makes me act up
radiant merlin
and it's just some sort of parallax thing
unborn pecan
Portal 2 has the nicest source water I think
summer steeple
anyway they use the same system for characters on the main menu for the big updates like tough break, but those aren't in the characterbackgrounds file anymore so i can't check rn what class they were set to
and i'm too lazy to download assets from an old update rn
small sirenBOT
left sand
how does saxton end then lol
jagged pawn
I wish they would add all the old renders back into rotation :(
jagged pawn
anyway they use the same system for characters on the main menu for the big upda...
I'm referring to these
like the old character portraits on main menu for updates
formal dew
everything else has low population because saxton hale murders anyone who queues for non vsh maps
summer steeple
Twitter
radiant merlin
vsh nucleus is kinda bad
too much interior for vsh
market gardening is very hard in that map
and the game crashed
jagged pawn
the more I play it the more two things become clear:
- this gamemode is really good
- the class impersonations are ass
formal dew
Everyone is free and wouldn't turn down a paycheck
get wolpaw back on temp duty to hammer out some lines
radiant merlin
round 8
spare obsidian
grim parcel
did they already disable vsh?
spare obsidian
play it on community servers, its just the MM that fucks VSH lol
spare obsidian
this is gonna be meme has hell lol
summer steeple
yeah it is
radiant merlin
kag
summer steeple
as of last year
radiant merlin
lag
summer steeple
because people were using it to line up grenades and pixelwalks and shit
where you needed to be literally like
in the perfect spot
kind falcon
unlucky
radiant merlin
grim parcel
best ending to a match ever
jagged pawn
does saxton actually die if he loses rps or does he just take damage
I have to imagine it's the latter
formal dew
pay to win
summer steeple
he's supposed to die if he loses RPS
but i think it might be bugged sometimes?
I heard someone say it didn't work for them
jagged pawn
taunt kills just do a lot of damage which is why I was assuming it wouldn't kill him yeah
left sand
it instantly kills him from full
jagged pawn
that's so funny
jagged pawn
extremely based
left sand
yeah
jagged pawn
I'd say pay to win but like, he has to choose to accept so
orchid sorrel
yeah
and it can still kill you instead
you risk the hale just saying nah and punting you into orbit
small sirenBOT
orchid sorrel
thanks bot
formal dew
can hale mannrobics
orchid sorrel
prob
also unrelated
the drum taunt is kinda funky
if u taunt in front of like, the payload or tank the drums just stay there and u phase thru them
kind falcon
can hale mannrobics
cogna
radiant merlin
if u taunt in front of like, the payload or tank the drums just stay there and u...
that happens with all taunts with props
they don't attach to the player
grim parcel
he's supposed to die if he loses RPS
he just lost it in my game and died
formal dew
what happens if you enter explode as hale
grim parcel
so yeah this seems to be working as intended (probably)
grim parcel
what happens if you enter explode as hale
SAXXTONNNNNNNNNNNNN EXPLODE
summer steeple
working as intended
unborn pecan
Saxton hale
strikes me as the kind of person
who would have a joe rogan style podcast
jagged pawn
I mean this has happened with every major update that adds something new; custom huds break
up to the hud creator to fix it
people just forgot because it's been so long since the last major update
summer steeple
its not a custom hud issue
the materials didn't load
just a weird bug
all the custom hud stuff is done via the player destruction custom hud
jagged pawn
I feel like I haven't seen people who use stock hud have this issue but I could be wrong 🤷
summer steeple
it happened once and then i restarted and it was fine
jagged pawn
ok is it just me or are people getting more bitchmade as time goes on
just played hale for the first time and won by capping because everyone was hiding on top of the distillery
like bro it's a casual match why are you not trying to have fun
orchid sorrel
@left sand do you think its a bug that if a medic uses an uber canteen on engineer he doesnt get the sentry shield?
since if an engineer poprs a uber canteen on himself he does get the shield
just not if a canteen specialist medic gives him one
jagged pawn
what
summer steeple
so apparently if you crouch and hit the ground in VSH
shit
how did that post
i hate my clipboard
i meant to post that
jagged pawn
LMAOOOOO
summer steeple
and if you're wondering what that message was about
the jump you can do by hitting the wall
works also if you crouch and hit the ground
orchid sorrel
what
in MVM, using an ubercharge canteen as engineer gives your sentry a special defensive bubble
this bubble is much stronger than the base wrangler bubble and also makes the sentry resistant to sentry busters
but if a medic with canteen specialist uses a canteen on the engineer he does not get the bubble
formal dew
Does backstabbing giants let you farm diamondback crits
orchid sorrel
no, you only get them from kills
formal dew
Theres a Github bug about spy not getting backstab buffs on hale
formal dew
oh right
orchid sorrel
but at the same time kunai overheal sounds really stupid
summer steeple
just checked, kunai gives you 180hp on kill, clamped at 270 max hp
also when you backstab as spy you can't attack or cloak for 2 seconds
there's a lot of interesting balance changes
just overall
jagged pawn
I'm guessing this list is incomplete? https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/VS_Saxton_Hale_Mode#Gameplay_changes
summer steeple
my friend was doing that and with a scout throwing milk on hale he was able to trade blows with hale
uhhh that looks pretty complete
oh i see its missing warriors spirit
kind falcon
Medi Guns provide a 2x ÜberCharge healing rate bonus if an Ubersaw is equipped
whart
jagged pawn
it's stupid!
summer steeple
that sounds... wrong
that is wrong
ubersaw just gives you 50% uber on hit
and all other melees give 25%
wait no i'm wrong
ignore all that
the page is right
but its not healing rate
its uber rate
jagged pawn
I read it as like, healing while ubered. so like quick fix buff
but I could be wrong
is it literally just the rate at which uber builds
jagged pawn
literally any of these things are braindead to be clear, the ubersaw does not need more buffs
ah
summer steeple
fixed
jagged pawn
huge
summer steeple
page is still missing stuff like how much damage is needed for some on-kill weapons to proc, cause idk if they want it listed
rn it just says "on-kill effects are triggered by attacking Saxton Hale"
which is like
true
but because there's 2 different ways for it to proc its kinda confusing
fwiw, the numbers are every 250 damage for air strike, and 200 damage done by a sentry grants it 1 assist (for frontier justice crit reasons)
everything else is on hit
bazaar bargain on headshot, and spy knives on backstab of course
jagged pawn
my updated tier list now that vsh is working. I liked it a lot more than I thought I would
kind falcon
peak
left sand
my tier list: all s tier
kind falcon
(I don't like KOTH)
so rude
mystic turtle
Today, I'm trying to figure out how to play TF2 when I'm stuck on only a mobile network
I just pulled Mastercomfig's settings down, let's see how this goes
mystic turtle
my updated tier list now that vsh is working. I liked it a lot more than I thoug...
I'm a bit confused here
How is Cashworks better than Phoenix
I do like it—in fact, I played it before it even got added—but it seems like more people like Phoenix better
next nymph
how is nucleus not F tier ||i dont like nucleus very much||
mystic turtle
so rude
KOTH is the second best DM gamemode
It's only overshadowed by Player Destruction, which used to not have that spot until Selbyen made it relevant again
next nymph
the best DM gamemode is trade_
cursive peak
You're forgetting SoapDM.
TDM with instant respawns that spawn you right in the action and 0 functional objectives. Isn't that what TF2 players want out of TDM?
mystic turtle
You're forgetting SoapDM.
Among community gamemodes... Yes
Hopefully it can be brought to Vscript
slender nexus
trade_minecraft my beloved
formal dew
Could vscript access the extra class descriptions used in mvm to explain their changes in vsh
burnt dragon
vsh didnt feel that fun as it used to honestly
every part of it is SO high quality
voicelines and all
but one of main points of tf2 is the feel of dealing damage
small sirenBOT
burnt dragon
saxton can and dies time to time, but still your mere 100 damage is nothing for him
crisp cedar
saxton deals just 100 dmg?
summer steeple
195
but has more choices for killing people and mobility
honestly i enjoyed VSH a lot more now than i used to
it was surprisingly balanced too
i remembered how there'd always be those players who just were too good as hale and just would be impossible to kill
but in the new VSH that basically just doesn't happen
winrate was like 60/40 in favor of hale, and generally the health he had matched up percentage wise with the amount of players still alive
it often did come down to those clutch 1v1s
next nymph
winrate was like 60/40 in favor of hale, and generally the health he had matched...
we'll see how that holds up once vsh pugs become popular
summer steeple
ye probably
i did notice that both times i played hale it was uh... exactly what i remembered
just absolutely cleaning house
idk if its just the way i play or what
like both times i won i had maybe a little under 50% health left
but it was the ONLY time i saw shit like that
so idk what was up with that
next nymph
skill issue
grim parcel
vsh amazing
radiant merlin
that server eventually will start to do weird things
summer steeple
eventually sure, but i find it pretty unlikely that enough people would even stay in the server for it to get to that point
wouldn't be surprised if valve servers have failsafes in them for restarting after a certain uptime anyway
grim parcel
we're going for the 32 bit integer limit
cursive peak
I saw something about glitch allowing you to be Hale the following round?
unborn pecan
tpose 😳
lean cove
what the fuck
wait does this mean that if left unchecked, all of valve’s tf2 servers will eventually end up on vsh?
cause you can vote in but not out
formal dew
possibly
cursive peak
I imagine Valve spins them down if they empty out.
left sand
wait does this mean that if left unchecked, all of valve’s tf2 servers will even...
eheheh
formal dew
the master plan
left sand
actually the thing is
they go to 2fort
well they used to
but there was too much 2fort
so idk how the algorithm works now
but its like some sort of random map selection based on demand
i think
formal dew
alt game modes should be silently enabled past a casual level
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summer steeple
honestly i kinda doubt the time limit thing is a permanent solution
it was prob just a quick fix so that people could actually play the damn thing while they figure out why it reverts to normal casual settings after 5 or so minutes
summer steeple
makes sense
valve kinda only made the MYM hud for very specific game settings
actually i'm gonna go check out that hud file i'm curious
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left sand
it was prob just a quick fix so that people could actually play the damn thing w...
correct
the casual matchmaking code is a mess
cursive peak
I heard something about the GC forcing casual settings on casual VSH servers.
left sand
thats been fixed
through this
they just need to figure out like why it happens
its like a match system getting flipped
formal dew
the top match bar accepts 24 players fairly well tho
summer steeple
i think all that is dynamic
it just needs to fit every player into a set width
i have a hunch i know why the casual badge thing happens, let me do a bit of testing
formal dew
everything but the casual medal is properly anchored when scrolling
summer steeple
hm i actually can't test this because casual badges don't show up except in casual
including the hud element
formal dew
f
summer steeple
hm actually but i think i might be able to figure this out
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summer steeple
the badge panels and stuff aren't actually in the res file, its all done in code
and notably, the badges don't seem to have a parent
the rest of the hud, like the player names do, so they only show up if they're within the width and height of their parent element
so when a player name goes off "screen" by going too higher than the height of the parent, it gets hidden, but the casual medal, which is not parented to anything, just gets the position of the name and moves the casual medal accordingly
grim parcel
almost to round 300
left sand
LMAO
formal dew
angry system
orchid sorrel
casual should force all servers to be bigrock advanced1
cursive peak
They're building GLaDOS with TF2 as part of her.
left sand
grim parcel
about to pass 300
jagged pawn
whats wrong with tiny rock
it's so boring
jagged pawn
I'm a bit confused here
How is Cashworks better than Phoenix
I do like it—in fac...
dunno why this needs to be said but please do not base your opinions on what other people think
next nymph
dunno why this needs to be said but please do not base your opinions on what oth...
i will base my opinion on basing opinions on things on this
jagged pawn
huge
zealous pond
dunno why this needs to be said but please do not base your opinions on what oth...
What if I base my opinions on what an AI thinks?
jagged pawn
perfect
grim parcel
it's finally over
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
NO FUCKING WAY
literally nothing happens
my game crashed
grim parcel
i used +w for a while and occasionally tabbed back in to play a game
radiant merlin
summer steeple
the engineer
mystic turtle
dunno why this needs to be said but please do not base your opinions on what oth...
I dunno, just trying to grasp the thought process
radiant merlin
@left sand you mean this about the beam?
kind falcon
yes
kind falcon
proof?
jagged pawn
I dunno, just trying to grasp the thought process
the only factor in the ranking is "how much fun do I have playing on this map". cashworks is a visual mess but I enjoy the gameplay a lot. conversely, phoenix is beautiful but the last point is one of the worst in the entire payload category
kind falcon
that robot is using dnsense
hoary geyser
bots seem bad today
formal dew
I've cracked the code
unending vsh is both a way to sneak in Quickplay style long form servers and to neuter bots and cheaters
kind falcon
can hale randomly crit?
burnt dragon
I think devs broke the VAC protection
I was playing in a server and there was a cheater
I saw he got banned 27 days ago
with a VAC ban text on his account
kind falcon
VAC is per game, in certain cases per engine.
i.e. if you were to get banned on cs:go; you wouldnt be banned on anything else;
if you were to get banned on team fortress the second you would get banned on orangebox games
kind falcon
of course its that guy to post the thing
spare obsidian
idk who's more questionable, the comments or this
formal dew
lean cove
i.e. if you were to get banned on cs:go; you wouldnt be banned on anything else;...
also that bug about joining with a vac ban is still unpatched no?
kind falcon
also that bug about joining with a vac ban is still unpatched no?
true, true. i agree with your ununineiunimuneinment
kind falcon
what if that grill is secretly a nd the game and that is an extract...
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spare obsidian
after 9 years of resting i hope the wait was worth
radiant merlin
limpid panther
literally the main STAR channel
no fucking way
radiant merlin
at first i thought it was my fix
but no, it's the fucking animations that are wrong
summer steeple
i forget, is move_yaw supposed to go from 180 to -180?
radiant merlin
yeah that's how the robot animations work
only the legs turn around while they walk
summer steeple
ah yeah i knew they did but i couldn’t remember if the values went that high
i know one of the pose params i think on robot soldier is broken
radiant merlin
it seems that at 178 it doesn't happen
i'll test
it isn't for every class
for pyro is 150
yeah this is an issue with how valve intended the animations to work
if there was a way to override pose parameters it could probably be fixed
summer steeple
wdym by override
also i just now realized that this is why i was having so many issues when making a nextbot in vscript
cause i used the robot heavy model
so i just locked the pose parameter to like
-179-179
radiant merlin
wdym by override
i mean, while the demo is moving, restrict the body_yaw to certain values
summer steeple
ah
spare obsidian
the problem is
the fix would also break maps using the human version of the mercs @radiant merlin
if its done code wise
ideally the fix should be done in the models themselves
radiant merlin
maps that use zombies override the model
and the zombie models uses human animations
spare obsidian
@orchid sorrel's mvm maps most of them uses the human models
iirc
basically it would invert the problem
it wouldn't the bots using the bot model the problem, it would be the bots using a model that uses the human animation
since the poseparameter is inverted in code for bots
also inverting pose parameters in code is pain in the ass since a lot could go wrong lol
limpid panther
https://youtu.be/KE8tqsZO1lY
his speech pattern for his commentary hasn't changed one bit, it's impressive
zealous pond
I'd imagine it would be considering he's like, the same person lol
orchid sorrel
<@111848927203995648>'s mvm maps most of them uses the human models
Huh
limpid panther
I'd imagine it would be considering he's like, the same person lol
nobody is the same person after 5 years
frosty crow
nobody is the same person after 5 years
Aside from the trash that peaked in high school
next nymph
nobody is the same person after 5 years
cyrogenics: 🤨
zealous pond
nobody is the same person after 5 years
Not really as far as your basic personality goes. There would have to be a radical change for that to occur.
Beliefs, hobbies, etc. That can be fluid.
next nymph
counterpoint:
paper sluice
We ball
formal dew
pass time
summer steeple
bruh i do not understand how tf water works in source
this is reflectamount .1
and this is reflectamount 1???
why is the reflection way blurrier with a higher amount
like
summer steeple
i'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean in this context so sure
summer steeple
there we go
hoary geyser
who even writes the vdc
summer steeple
community members
spare obsidian
some of the information are technically accurate
but only for like 2007 / 2006 source engine
summer steeple
usually the more popular pages are correct
the water shader page has a little under 100 edits
ever
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summer steeple
most of which from 2005-2011
bruh i keep finding parameters in the water materials that don't exist
a lot of the materials reference $refractblur, but its actually $blurrefract
its commented out, but water_well references $reflectsaturation, which doesn't exist
the water textures also have $scale, which doesn't exist
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spare obsidian
yeah shiro its like the only person that's correcting the shader pages
radiant merlin
are valve servers lagging?
radiant merlin
or maybe not?
crisp cedar
backstabbing hale with your eternal reward disguises you as class 0
ubercharged disguised spy on red, regular scout on blu
movement gets weird, its kinda like hl1
grim parcel
backstabbing hale with your eternal reward disguises you as class 0
10TH CLASS CONFIRMED11!1!!11!!!1!!
it was just 0 indexed this whole time
kind falcon
gordn freeman as clas 0
formal dew
meet the grill
summer steeple
its the grill
potent wolf
good thing i have the images disabled
hoary geyser
you are an evil man mr. coding...
formal dew
they could have had it on a crate or something so that leg isnt floating in the air
formal dew
random oddity
if you inspect the passtime jack itll use your class's default primary animations
but i tested it witout a primary and it still uses the default primary inspect anim
radiant merlin
nobody is updating pass time 💀
if pass time maps wre less like a sandbox map they would be better
jerma using the southern
radiant merlin
valve: "updated the heavy kart taunt to deal damage"
jagged pawn
HE SAID THE LINE
summer steeple
bruh i opened up jerma's stream second out of curiosity and jerma's voice lined up perfectly with the audio on ster's stream
like somehow between twitch delay and discord delay
honestly like its kinda impressive the fact that the experience hasn't been too bad for ster in terms of stream snipers, and even with jerma playing its only slightly worse
radiant merlin
oh dammit it's community-created
mmm maybe not
does somebody knows any other fp anims that clips?
or looks wrong?
they are playing venice
left sand
honestly like its kinda impressive the fact that the experience hasn't been too ...
wait theres been stream snipers?
summer steeple
every now and again
left sand
left sand
stema hap
orchid sorrel
Twitter
left sand
oh my goodness this jerma ster stream is doing wonders for my mental health
formal dew
Nature is healing
summer steeple
did you like the bit where ster's facecam was his forehead and his ceiling
summer steeple
i'm very scared
hoary geyser
why is he being sexually harassed by this man
limpid panther
guys they did the cyberpunk 2077 bit
formal dew
Heavy should get mvm rage in vsh
summer steeple
fun fact, in older versions of vscript saxton hale, mvm upgrades were toyed with
but getting upgrades mid-match sucked, so that evolved into player destruction style cap points where you and your team would buy something
let me find the vid
in this case, the upgrades being crits within an area, and a tank
formal dew
Interesting
summer steeple
according to the pinned coment from the dev, it was cut because people would rather just shoot hale than do side-objectives, so it made things overcomplicated for no benefit
formal dew
Hopefully they can get some of the gc people back on the team for future vscript map support
orchid sorrel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/967885146906849370/1132847306715185244/ezgif.com-optimize.gif
formal dew
jagged pawn
I do wonder why they decided to make their own movement tech instead of just carrying over the grappling hook
left sand
grappling hook would be insane
summer steeple
iirc its because they didn't want to have to rely on people either knowing there was a slot for it or having that button to quick swap to it bound
because no one plays mannpower
jagged pawn
I mean I feel like way more people would accidentally figure out that there's a grapple hook in their inventory rather than accidentally whack a wall repeatedly lol
not complaining because I like the wall climb I'm just not sure I understand the thought process
lean cove
iirc its because they didn't want to have to rely on people either knowing there...
its an action slot item
so you already have a button bound to it
orchid sorrel
grappling hook has some weird movement quirks which i dont really like
on top of the whole enemy latching mechanic
and spy being able to grapple while disguised
slender nexus
summer steeple
iirc most of the grappling hook stuff can be controlled by console commands
which is nice for community stuff
formal dew
Provision is disabled in vsh because it would force heavy lines to come out of hale
interesting
formal dew
lean cove
grappling hook has some weird movement quirks which i dont really like
grapple hook is goated except for heavy's nerf (i am not biased)
summer steeple
don't like all the classes have slightly different grapple hook mechanics
or at the very least speeds
bruh pyros that are hooked to players move as slow as heavies regular grapple
this really is the most jank ass gamemode
left sand
to me, back scratcher is like crack...
health pack
kind falcon
health pack
limpid panther
iirc its because they didn't want to have to rely on people either knowing there...
i had to rebind "special attack" to be able to play saxton hale
unborn pecan
I helped kenaj 🫡
potent wolf
i thought the only buttons it used for abilities were crouch and reload
for the charge iirc
summer steeple
thats reload
potent wolf
i was using h 😔
summer steeple
charge is reload, ground pound is crouch, and rage is automatic
oh apparently both work!
summer steeple
leaked open source code
but yeah, because vscript is server-sided, the only buttons that it can check that the player is pressing are these ones
summer steeple
its a bitfield
potent wolf
yeah, so why decimal 😭
kind falcon
wow replaycoding you arent as knowledgeable as i expected you to be
where is the decimal
potent wolf
😱
summer steeple
it seems like it does
hoary geyser
he's lost it
summer steeple
so uhhh blame valve
because a lot of their bitfields are written out in decimal instead of hex lol
at least the ones i've seen
i'm not sure this list of buttons/commands associated with buttons has been updated since like... tfc
maybe attack3 was added just for tf2 idk
potent wolf
attack9 when
next nymph
hot take: using decimal for bitfields is fine as long as its only 1 bit at a time
summer steeple
for some buttons there's other ways to get if the palyer is pressing them but those are workarounds
ok i have to give valve this
for these buttons, they did them quite well
potent wolf
shifts 