Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[spare obsidian]

i see

[formal dew]

Just a preference

[spare obsidian]

same has transparent view models?

[kind falcon]

kinda probably maybe

[left sand]

shaders are blocked from multiplayer modification with VAC

[spare obsidian]

the weird thing is there's s iirc a shader that disables half Lambert @paper sluice do you know what shader i'm referring?

and iirc it works in mp

[paper sluice]

suspects no half lambert shader

[spare obsidian]

yeah that one

seems like using it on mp for odd reason

doesn't trigger vac at all

lol

[left sand]

its a param

[formal dew]

Lambert? Epic splinter cell reference

[left sand]

half Lambert isn't used on most classes because light warp

only pyro afaik

[paper sluice]

the vmt param does nothing

in tf2

[spare obsidian]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/36761 i would try and copy the description but the site is fucking unstable without an adblock in mobile

[paper sluice]

its the actual .pcb shader

skin_v20 or something along those lines

[spare obsidian]

yeah it is skin

[left sand]

how

[spare obsidian]

shaders aren't server pured lol

[paper sluice]

idk

some weird thing with how they have it set up

[left sand]

shaders dont need to be sv pure

[paper sluice]

just doesnt do anything

[left sand]

they are supposed to be emforced by something else

[spare obsidian]

how in the god damn are the mercenaries texture files organized that even half Lambert doesn't work lol

[formal dew]

Tbh

[left sand]

i could have sworn that half lambert is wired up

thats so weird

[formal dew]

The old beta super shiny and hard light warps don't look very good

[left sand]

but theyre beta

[spare obsidian]

i mean mcoms source shaders are the true spaghetti part of the engine

they use 5 registers for like pong lol

[left sand]

int64

[spare obsidian]

when you can technically use 1 lol

most of the VLG generic is pain. to read lol

[paper sluice]

i mean half lambert works cuz the actual shader has it in stock
but like disabling it with $halflambert 0 doesnt

[spare obsidian]

does VDC list that? lol

i swear I've see that in the wiki

also does killing dx8 would be beneficial for tf2? 🤔?

[left sand]

not short term if it was only that

[spare obsidian]

i mean I've reading a lot of old valve pdf publications and i stumbled one about why valve dropped dx8 for l4d2 and onwards iirc it was because in 2009 the market share for dx8 users was like 3% or so

let me find that pdf

https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/apps/valve/2010/siggraph2010_vlachos_waterflow.pdf ah here it is

[formal dew]

hopefully windows 12 forcibly deprecates everything before dx11

engage in a little trolling

thousands of games can't run

[spare obsidian]

i mean you WILL be force to run and YOU WILL love it

also iirc even intel its getting rid of dx9 on theirs newest gpu drivers lol

[formal dew]

They have a software virtualization implementation or smth

Actually Microsoft made it for them

Iirc

[spare obsidian]

i lean that's not even perfect lol

[formal dew]

true

[spare obsidian]

some dx9 games do not run properly even with that lol

[small siren]

*some dx9 do

not run properly even

with that lol*

- Brodspy

[unborn pecan]

They use DXVK

[unborn pecan]

ok so

IN the beginning

Intel used their own solutioon

But then they switched to DXVK

[spare obsidian]

oh i see, i mean dxvk is the way to goo

like, i hate intel has the worst dx11 support but has the best vulkan support too lol

[mystic turtle]

Vulkan is nice

[kind falcon]

vulkan the laggening

[mystic turtle]

Average Nvidia/AMD user, I guess
On my laptop, there are marginal to massive perf improvements
Vulkan is what made Wii U games run at full 60 on my potato (bc the cemu devs couldn't really optimize the OpenGL renderer, I guess)

[kind falcon]

never played anything not source engine

[slender nexus]

heh

just a tonk

just tonk

[radiant merlin]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4813

"actually we need 2 memory leaks"

[formal dew]

anyone know where this graphic came from

[limpid panther]

mfw when it still is not the big one 😩

[left sand]

probably h3

oh wait is this real

[potent wolf]

WTF

ITS REAL

[left sand]

wtf

ai generated?

[potent wolf]

what makes you think that

[left sand]

idk

it has nothing to do with the update

its very plain

[formal dew]

if it's ai that would be a true valve moment

[left sand]

low res

[limpid panther]

doesn't look like source 1, looks like those Unreal Engine Minecraft renders

[formal dew]

the 7th comic will be fully ai generated

[left sand]

very blocky and weird

[potent wolf]

that's probably just because it's a small compressed image though

[crisp cedar]

could also be an unused valve asset

that they repurposed

[left sand]

it doesnt look like standard compression

[formal dew]

certainly doesnt look like something out of source 1 sfm

[left sand]

the grill

the items behind the smoke

[potent wolf]

https://clan.steamstatic.com/images/554111/d3b96f0f8fc6e57e606d16eb5ee955607dd5627f_400x225.jpg

[left sand]

the tf2 logo compression looks normal

same for the text

[viscid totem]

> team fortress 2 rocket grenade ammo grill
@left sand /imagine generation done !

[potent wolf]

erm

[summer steeple]

highest res version that i can find

[viscid totem]

> team fortress 2 ammo summer grill cooking smoke sizzle
@left sand /imagine generation done !

[summer steeple]

just remove the resolution from the URL

[potent wolf]

nice

[summer steeple]

i think it might be that the way they rendered the smoke is super noisy

[formal dew]

I'm not seeing any artifacts, the grill has bullets in place of charcoal, and it uses sentry legs

actually impressive ai if it is

[next nymph]

thats what it looks like to me

[formal dew]

by artifact i mean the ai horrors with fingers, teeth etc

[left sand]

valve might have their own model for valve art

just saying

[formal dew]

ew

[summer steeple]

yeah the smoke just seems to have a lot of noise and gradients in it

[small siren]

*yeah the smoke just seems

to have a lot of noise and

gradients in it*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

but i do agree that it looks kinda weird

i'm having trouble determining if its 2d or 3d

[left sand]

i just dont know like

[next nymph]

its 3d

[left sand]

why is this the image

it has nothing to do with the update

[summer steeple]

grill

[left sand]

surely theyd do a saxton render

[formal dew]

what if an artist noticed the update was doing numbers and made it in like 20 minutes

[left sand]

or like

anything

idk this looks like programmer shit

[cursive peak]

Didn't Valve take a stance against AI art recently?

[left sand]

the main reason i think its AI because it looks completely unmotivated and soulless

[left sand]

yes trained on general imagery

[summer steeple]

specifically if you can't prove you own all the stuff its trained on

[small siren]

*specifically

if you can't prove you own all

the stuff its trained on*

- treacherousfiend

[left sand]

they have enough resources to make their own

[summer steeple]

i think what trips me up in specific about whether its 2d or 3d is the shadows on the legs

[small siren]

*i think what trips me

up in specific is the

shadows on the legs*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

they look so sharp it almost looks like a toon shader

[next nymph]

Ive figured out the meaning

[formal dew]

tf2 source 2 assets confirmed /s

[summer steeple]

could also just be a maya render

prob would be quicker than porting the assets to source 2

[next nymph]

it would be quicker than figuring out the right prompt to get it with an ai model too

[summer steeple]

I mean it could be AI assisted rather than AI made

like they drew out a sketch and then told the AI what to do with that sketch

[next nymph]

it would still be easier to just model the damn thing

[summer steeple]

yeah probably

i'm not sure if to me it looks weird because it looks so clean and i'm not used to it or what

oh, here's a clue on why the legs look off

they're very clearly shiny metal normally

here they look flat, like plastic

you'd think with direct light on them there'd at least be a shine

but there's nothing

considering other things do i'd be willing to chalk that up to just not setting up the material correctly

[next nymph]

probably intentional imo: the background art is pretty muted and low contrast in general

none of its really shiny even when it could be and i think that was an intentional choice

[summer steeple]

not really shiny but all the other assets do have a shine

even the bullet casings

even the grenades have very very subtle shine to them

[next nymph]

i dont think the artwork is bad per se or anything like that, i just dont think it fits exactly. I'd guess they just already had it for some reason and threw it into a background

[summer steeple]

maybe

also i saw someone in another server point out that they even localized the image

so the text on it matches your language

[formal dew]

👀

[spare obsidian]

show it

[summer steeple]

here i randomly changed my language on the website to japanese

[spare obsidian]

damn

[formal dew]

tf2 is saved

[summer steeple]

german

[spare obsidian]

i expected valve to jsut use english for just all other localizations

[formal dew]

verfugbar

[next nymph]

sommerupdate⁉️

[summer steeple]

idk how valve handled update image localization for prior updates if at all

[spare obsidian]

i bet its some new steam feature?

[summer steeple]

doubt it

[next nymph]

hey @summer steeple do pirate speak next

[left sand]

the real test will be when they release the SFM

[summer steeple]

altho i wonder if its machine translated or not, cause usually their localization stuff is community done

ok so smissmass 2020 appears to be the first time they started localizing the update notice

[left sand]

i still think its a really weird image

[slender nexus]

inb4 it was just plopped into Google translate

[next nymph]

another option would be tossing it to a localization team they already had contracted for something else

[left sand]

it doesn't make sense at all, the idea doesn't, the execution doesn't

[summer steeple]

oh smissmas 2020 was actually... the only time prior

[left sand]

it is completely out of character for the tf2 update/blog images

and it doesn't use tf2 shading

[slender nexus]

the image looks too matte to be in source 1

[summer steeple]

oh wait, as of april 2022 they started also translating community event notices

[spare obsidian]

i mean, its just a image lol also its valve we're not asking consistency

[summer steeple]

even the summer update announcement

who knows how accurate these are

[spare obsidian]

i mean i don't speak german :/

[orchid sorrel]

Eric is learning sfm

[left sand]

like it's a fun and cute image

it's just, it's so out of place with tf2 and the update

[summer steeple]

yeah

[left sand]

tf unreal engine port

[formal dew]

valve's full of surprises

[summer steeple]

plus the fact that it came out several days after the ypdate

[spare obsidian]

tbh i wasn't expecting an image knowing how valve is

but the fact at least we got an image

its something i guess?

[formal dew]

the reason they didn't reenable vsh is because theyre updating it with the jungle inferno saxton and recording new voice lines asap

[radiant merlin]

i see sorse 2

[summer steeple]

i'm not sure if it is

[spare obsidian]

achieve with sorse 2

[wild grove]

The update render is prolly using blender and is using a flat shader, def isn't source 2, ai, or whatever.

[spare obsidian]

yeah it seems like to be rendering with evee

on stock settings

[summer steeple]

idk about that

[left sand]

does really no one at valve want to remake the tf shader in source 2?

[crisp cedar]

asked around and this is new

[spare obsidian]

nope lol

[summer steeple]

it just looks like a generic render

[crisp cedar]

completely new art

[summer steeple]

yeah it is

[radiant merlin]

it has the hla shaders

i mean, it looks like from hla

[left sand]

not at all

[spare obsidian]

i mean you could try doing toon shader under the new s2 pipeline

[wild grove]

reminds me of the tf2 steam point shop animated stickers.

[left sand]

the lighting doesn't look like it has the custom power function from HLA

[formal dew]

gotta re-hire dhabih eng for source 2 tf2 shaders

[radiant merlin]

or like the first iterations of the tf2 shader in the tf2 source 2 project

[left sand]

i could be wrong, its so low res

[summer steeple]

it just looks like a 3d render to me

[spare obsidian]

i wish someone ask erin for a full high res version of the image

lol

[lean cove]

can u link

[radiant merlin]

well i expect a blog post now

[summer steeple]

just go here and change the language at the top
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/440

[lean cove]

thx

[summer steeple]

at the very least the translations don't seem to catch proper nouns

wait

isn't this supposed to say Mann Co. Store

it is

[lean cove]

i was about to say its definitely hand translated

meaning is preserved not

uh

literal structure

[summer steeple]

oh so literally translated

[orchid sorrel]

This was a scrapped promo from the giga version of the update where they had new weapons new contracts an entire mvm tour and rebalances

[lean cove]

what

[summer steeple]

like the literal meaning of each word

[radiant merlin]

omg a new mvm tour would be good

[summer steeple]

also here's that same line i posted in german, saying Mann Co. Store correctly

[lean cove]

yeah it's not a literal translation

[radiant merlin]

omg mvm being fixed would be good

[summer steeple]

so idk what was up with the other translation

oh interesting

[lean cove]

well it's a hand translation so the translator probably just typoed

thats why i thought you posted the Mann Co Store thing

[summer steeple]

i swapped to japanese and while the promo image is translated, the change notes are not

[lean cove]

more proof of a hand translation

[summer steeple]

so yeah i guess it is hand translation

[lean cove]

that too

[summer steeple]

well props to them for that

[radiant merlin]

eric uses deepl com confirmed

[wild grove]

I hope the bugfix update is soon judging by the news post.

[crisp cedar]

wait, nevermind i just realized something

[wild grove]

You got trolled.

[crisp cedar]

no

just confused

[unborn pecan]

hello team fortress two swaggers

https://tenor.com/view/cat-play-pubg-gif-26066578

Peep this cat playing on dustbowl

[radiant merlin]

it would be cool if they added a hint to the update like with the invasion update

when they added the ufos in dustbowl

[unborn pecan]

I still hope they don't patch out the sv_cheat bypass I use

🫡 it is swag

[cursive peak]

Patch it out.

[left sand]

you mean sv_pure

[unborn pecan]

yes

[left sand]

erm

[unborn pecan]

not sv_cheats, I meant sv_pure

erm

listen

[cursive peak]

Still, patch it out.

[unborn pecan]

I need my weed minigun replacement mod

and my weed frying pan

[left sand]

tell me the bypass

[unborn pecan]

and my weezer spy case

i mean you already know it

I've told you before

[left sand]

platform or singleplayer

[unborn pecan]

yeah

[left sand]

which

[unborn pecan]

oh

[left sand]

okay

i thought it was patched

[unborn pecan]

🫡

[lean cove]

yeah i think it just needs preloading now

[radiant merlin]

liar you use it to change the spy decloak sound

[lean cove]

a few months ago it changed

and i thought it was patched

[radiant merlin]

solar is going to upload a video about a bunch of these exploits

[unborn pecan]

I use it for a spy weezer case

[lean cove]

remember the hud convar hack lol

[unborn pecan]

no I never knew about it while it was still available

[lean cove]

it took literally 2 mins to set up a wallhack checkbox

it was funny

[unborn pecan]

WELLL

dnsense.pub can do 1min 59 seconds to do a wallhack checkbox

🫡

@radiant merlin https://gamebanana.com/mods/432124

peep this

The virginity in this image goes so hard 🔥

[cursive peak]

https://twitter.com/RGL_gg/status/1681095461489508355

RGLgg (@RGL_gg)

It's the final countdown to the invite 6s playoffs this week! Start it off TONIGHT @ 9:30PM ET with invite HL between squirtyay and FroggieLand on cp_steel! The winner of this match will take the last playoffs spot, so you WON'T want to miss it! https://t.co/1biXOJnyM8

Twitter · Jul 18, 2023, 12:16 AM

[left sand]

https://youtu.be/USs0abj0e3g

[cursive peak]

I may have seen that one years ago.

[unborn pecan]

This video reminds me of like 3d tech demos from the early days

Where you had music like those showcasing something like phong shadows or something

[left sand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn9970dxQ2g

[cursive peak]

Oldest non-promotional video I know of is like i32 grand finals coverage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1itn8XNo5d8

Upload isn't that old, but the event was November 2007.

Or is this a case of me fucking up something I wildly don't understand?

[left sand]

i think you're right

[next nymph]

you can count backwards to i32 to find out right

three insomnias a year iirc

[cursive peak]

Well, someone could have released a video sometime between the game launch and November '07.

[limpid panther]

I though that just needed simple preloading, no?

[radiant merlin]

soundscripts aren't protected by sv_pure

so you can't change the sound to a custom one but you can with another ingame sound

[limpid panther]

ah, that was it

normally people used the guitar rock sound for that

[formal dew]

🤔

[spare obsidian]

what was the last time tf2 was in the steam news feed? lol

[small siren]

*what was the last time

tf2 was in the steam

news feed? lol*

- Brodspy

[spare obsidian]

was during jungle inferno isn't?

[formal dew]

ye

[unborn pecan]

Those look so tasty

god damn

[cursive peak]

If you ask Soldier to start up the grill, I wouldn't expect less.

[paper sluice]

bad render!

!1!

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/862709081209569310/1130634300853858304/20230717184359_1.jpg

ants when you put a magnifying glass over them

[spare obsidian]

unbalance missions be like

[left sand]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/albums/72157603671370361

[wild grove]

Wait is this for a potato.tf community mvm event that's coming soon?

[orchid sorrel]

could be, someone just posted it

someone is just messing with lua/vscript

[mystic turtle]

Just reinstalled mconfig and ran into Horsie's viewmodel editor while reading around
Any way to use it on 'nux, or am I gonna have to borrow my brother's win 11 PC or make a VM for it to work?

[paper sluice]

erm wrong channel but cool stuff

[formal dew]

Erm

[burnt dragon]

I dont know if anyone mentioned about the new announcement, but I believe its source 2

they probably ported models to source 2 using the s&box's auto converter

[jagged pawn]

lol what

[formal dew]

they've had source 1 asset porting capabilities in house since the beginning of source 2

8 years?

[grave badge]

they already created tf3 and its just a screenshot of the gameplay

[burnt dragon]

asset porting was a real pain for me honestly

[paper sluice]

erm source 2 update confirmed...? im gonna coom,.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/737901881011077230/1130727596183797800/storyofbfdi.gif

[burnt dragon]

no lol

[paper sluice]

yes i said so

[burnt dragon]

its just they probably use s2fm

least biased tf2 fan :O?

its probably nothing to worry about, but I cant see anything that can point AI generated

and soft shaders seem like a source 2 lighting thing

[paper sluice]

i was dreaming then gaben told me it was real source 2.

[burnt dragon]

[paper sluice]

its funny that valve didnt was use the shitty sfm beta so bad they just used s2fm

[burnt dragon]

I mean eh

[formal dew]

it was probably just made super fast with default lighting settings in maya or blender

[burnt dragon]

sbox also has tf2s2 fan project, they can use casings from there probably

[summer steeple]

or... they just ported their own assets

[burnt dragon]

valve... puts effort?

[summer steeple]

they have raw files why would they use someone else's

[burnt dragon]

I am just thinking the easiest and least problematic way :p

[summer steeple]

or potentially its not even an S2 render

[burnt dragon]

the grill seems to be a new model I think

[formal dew]

it had to be made incognito because the cabal bosses dictated a ban on making tf2 assets

/s

[burnt dragon]

legs are just sentry legs(?)

[summer steeple]

grill seems new but uses the sentry's legs

[formal dew]

tf2 fans when a company makes 1 (one) picture

and i wouldnt have it any other way

[orchid sorrel]

i told you guys

[burnt dragon]

grill>sentry legs>engineer>texas>growing city>tf3

[orchid sorrel]

eric is making the henry update

all by himself

[paper sluice]

thats what im sayin

[burnt dragon]

I respect how you guys have high hopes

really fascinating for me

or maybe you are shitposting and I am too flat brained to understand

shrug
happens

[kind falcon]

who has high hopes

[burnt dragon]

tf3 gameplay: grill on a white flat surface

[unborn pecan]

obviously valve used Sauce Engine 2 to make this render

[formal dew]

https://tenor.com/view/sorse-source-3kliksphillip-achieved-with-gif-23602555

[radiant merlin]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2156169616&searchtext= i think i'll make my own version considering mcoms comments, and of course with a 60 fps video

though probably the changes are so minuscule it would be better just to send the changes via email or to github

[burnt dragon]

add a clickbait thumbnail

mcoms approved!!!

[radiant merlin]

or i could upload it to workshop to farm points

[formal dew]

someone should make a community fix that is nothing but a text file asking valve to host some tf2 servers in atlanta and madrid

[orchid sorrel]

funny thing

if you select a mann up tour, but then play bootcamp it will show your tou count

tbh i think it would be ok to just combine mann up and boot camp

[unborn pecan]

erm $0.03 has been added to your steam wallet

[unborn pecan]

I wish valve hosted servers in Texas

[radiant merlin]

hey @orchid sorrel i heard that the target marker from the medigun has some issues in mvm, can you confirm?

[orchid sorrel]

target marker?

[radiant merlin]

the triangle thing above players

[unborn pecan]

I wish medigun was real

[orchid sorrel]

hmm

I havent noticed anything weird

if i see anything wonky ill let u know

[radiant merlin]

also i need you to watch this

and this

[unborn pecan]

fardbot

[formal dew]

surprised no one has uploaded a dragons fury light warp fix

[radiant merlin]

war paint change = controversial

[formal dew]

iirc it uses the same lightwarp as the stock flamethrower which is why it looks like poop

Way too shiny

And ofc there's that mystery pressure meter that only appears if you swap weapons without respawning

[left sand]

no need

[radiant merlin]

but the free points...

jk i'm not that scummy

[burnt dragon]

but I am

[kind falcon]

understandable

[orchid sorrel]

@left sand tomorrow night wanna play the original mvm tour with me and some gamers

[kind falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1086381958063456286/1086667979078504478/the-ni.gif

[burnt dragon]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2967566428&searchtext=

I dont understand why people are against this one

I feel like contractor is EXTREMELY underused

[tacit flare]

You must finish the round to turn in this contract.
This is 2fort. There is no round timer. Suffer.

[burnt dragon]

theres hightower contracts in official one

whats your point '-'?

also passtime too

so you have to do the contracts with 6.5 people

[wild grove]

People are against it because it isn't a community fix, more so a feature request.

[tacit flare]

There is no point. Though if it takes Valve more effort than lifting a feather it isn't getting in regardless lol.

[burnt dragon]

I mean that doesnt mean there wont be any content

mcoms qualified this as "meme"

thats why I got confused

this has more effort put into than half of the cosmetic submissions

[crisp cedar]

i asked around for the promotional graphic valve did for the update, this is the closest take on it i could get

this seems accurate

[burnt dragon]

yyup

I still believe this is s2fm

I am not sure how they work

so I have no idea if they can get comissions

[mystic turtle]

I can see why you guys hate Venice
It lags so hard

It runs pretty slowly vs other maps

[potent wolf]

thats not the only reason...

[mystic turtle]

Go on, explain
I'm pretty bored, I gotta restart TF2

[burnt dragon]

map is incomplete

full of holes

out of bounds are set pretty lazily

you decide to jump around a ground? nope. killtrigger

you can camp on many roofs that only accessible with rocket jumping like ways

[mystic turtle]

Geez

[burnt dragon]

theres few glitch spots engies can camp inside walls

the "raft" is a just floating cart with no wheels

[mystic turtle]

Yeesh
So this is basically Summer Wutville

I hope they can patch it up

[burnt dragon]

wutville was complete

it was just shit design D:

this one has an amazing idea

but incomplete

[mystic turtle]

And poor optimization

[burnt dragon]

venice is an amazing idea IF it was completed

but maybe its just me, but textures felt really repetitive

like copypasted same window wall model over and over

then slap a roof

also map has several rooftops that you go by going up narrow circling collidors with no design

[mystic turtle]

My main nitpick is the lag
No, I do not want to make my game look like it's on the PS1 just to play Venice

[burnt dragon]

lag is something that happens on nearly all new maps

my favorite is by far the seal map

[mystic turtle]

I also played a game on the new pd map, the one with the seal

[small siren]

*I also played a

game on the new pd map,

the one with the seal*

- Skeptical Engie Main

[burnt dragon]

feels like there was a KOTH map made by valve, then just like in scream fortress maps, they changed it to be more summer thematic

[mystic turtle]

My bfb scout was at home there
Bro just zipped by and delivered the fish

[burnt dragon]

I may be biased on that one because seal is so damn cute

[hoary geyser]

get a better computer

[burnt dragon]

I got a 3070 and my fps literally quarters on that map

[mystic turtle]

Skep tries and fails to get a fucking job: the movie

[burnt dragon]

theres a map named two fort invasion

but I have no idea what that map is

[mystic turtle]

Also IIRC it's the processor that matters more, not the GPU

[burnt dragon]

it only pops up in votes and not in map list

[mystic turtle]

TF2 was made when people thought buff CPUs were the future, not buff GPUs

[burnt dragon]

no one votes for it so I have no idewa

I mean its both

we came from cpus rendering 32x32 images

[mystic turtle]

Create a server with 2fort invasion

[burnt dragon]

to making ray traced renders

[burnt dragon]

why bother <,<

its just confusing why that pops up in vote screen

[mystic turtle]

That's odd, tbh

[burnt dragon]

yeah afaik its a scream fortress map

[kind falcon]

its not

its in the misc

[mystic turtle]

And surprise, surprise
I get in a match where we get smoked hard
Wish I could just practice against people around my skill level

But all the matches I queue into are loaded with sweats that have unusuals and australiums

[burnt dragon]

I find it funny even tho how much I taunt and fuck around, I can still get in top 3 in casual

thats what makes the game fun

[mystic turtle]

Odd
On my end, it's probably a combination of poor internet and aiming not clicking with me
IDK why, but even when my brain decides to click bc "the crosshair lined up", I only get a chip shot
Practice might help... And maybe faking lag on walkway might help too

[burnt dragon]

yeah I get around 70 ping while playing

[mystic turtle]

100 always for me, on a good day

[burnt dragon]

it shouldnt matter much

70-130 depending on with who I play

[mystic turtle]

Yeah, it only really becomes noticeable around 150-200

[burnt dragon]

with more ping I have to aim where they will go

[potent wolf]

play soldier

[mystic turtle]

I'll try that

[potent wolf]

I was half joking, but it is what I do when i don't feel like thinking too much about aiming

just shoot at general area of enemy and they magically explode

[limpid panther]

I find that at least in my region, if I start being amicable in vc, sooner or later everyone starts making calls and interacting

then we win

[mystic turtle]

Time to become the crazy american

[limpid panther]

if I really wanna get people interacting I just go as medic and communicate an Uber push in a over the top Meet the Medic way

[potent wolf]

I'm canadian, I can't play him anymore 😭

[mystic turtle]

Lmfao

[glass musk]

Good

2fort never ends

as it should be

[radiant merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/but-heres-the-puncher-cat-gif-26465800

[radiant merlin]

https://fxtwitter.com/Astartes_TF/status/1681058972843880448?s=20

square shadows 💀

[burnt dragon]

oh god that looks bad

[unborn pecan]

Why do I even try in casual

[potent wolf]

ouch

[cursive peak]

https://vxtwitter.com/TF2Emporium/status/1681384777511780357

[radiant merlin]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4556#issuecomment-1337505917

"when smissmas is over"

[left sand]

sticky trap buff

[formal dew]

Exchange:

Splash explosion fix and random spread disabled in casual

It'll even out

[wild grove]

til that bug goes deeper and that's why it was never fixed in a update after xmas.

[formal dew]

Elaborate

[summer steeple]

i meain in this case its not a bug but just how the explosion logic worked

altho honestly from what i've heard around the grapevine, there's been quite a few changes that look promising until like one thing goes regresses or causes issues and then thats it

[formal dew]

contractor said that only human players would get this new explosion logic which seems complicated to implement

[summer steeple]

i want to say that one of the ones I heard was a fix for stuff clipping through walls by backporting that code from csgo, but it was somehow fucking with the shadows rendering through walls so that got scrapped? could be misremembering

so in other players and weapons stop clipping through thin walls once we get CSM

[formal dew]

I can't wait for tf2 source 2 using counter strike 2 scripting

[left sand]

again the reason why it would be a bad idea to do extra explosion traces is because of combos peeking traps

it would completely ruin 6s

you could no longer bait sticky traps

and for other things its kinda the same

rockets hitting columns, doorways, etc

it would buff explosions too much

its entirely something that should be done in the map

[summer steeple]

i mean csgo lowers the damage based on how blocked it is so its probably not that big a deal

[left sand]

it is

im saying why it isnt in the game

[summer steeple]

i think its equally as feasible that the change just hasn't launched yet

[left sand]

im not guessing

[summer steeple]

mcoms insider knowledge???

[formal dew]

Then it shouldn't be an open issue

[left sand]

its still an issue

and maybe theyll figure out a way

[left sand]

its been said publicly

[summer steeple]

where?

[summer steeple]

ah ok

[high current]

I think a threshold of damage curving around geometry logically, but have a max point where it’s just 0. So you could still bait traps but it could still go past the geometry on the tracks of Hightower or the stairs of lakeside.

[unborn pecan]

which discord is that?

[left sand]

again sticky traps do a FUCK TON of damage

even if its a small fraction

[unborn pecan]

As a scout main, I am legally obligated to rage every time I die to a sticky trap

[formal dew]

And that's what you get for touching that

[left sand]

its 1000 damage

[unborn pecan]

😭 sometimes I just run into them

[summer steeple]

demo is a balanced class btw

[left sand]

even like 1/6 of the damage would cause a med to drop

[high current]

Ngl. As a scout main if I die to a sticky trap 99% of the time I was just an idiot. 1% of the time it’s just a big brain trap I’ve never seen before.

[left sand]

and the thing is

people peek traps to bait det

this would ruin that mechanic

[formal dew]

Demo was best balanced right after love and war

[left sand]

because you wouldnt be able to safely peek traps

because edging a trap would still damage you

for like

50% or more damage

[high current]

Set it so if it’s more than 50% blocked it does 0%. Essentially a low pass filter.

[summer steeple]

thats hack-y

[high current]

I think that’d be ideal. But very complicated

[left sand]

well you could do that but then it ruins the fix

[formal dew]

what if that's the same reason they haven't fixed the swapping det bug

[left sand]

the swapping det bug breaks heavy's minigun

i mean you can fix it by making a special demo thingy

but

it would break a lot of weapon stuff with current scripts

[formal dew]

But if it's fixed teamfortress.tv would be happy for the first time

[high current]

That’s kinda how energy tends to flow irl. It’ll bend to a certain point but after that it just takes path of least resistance. Not always intuitive.

But yeh I agree this would probably be too counter intuitive for most

[summer steeple]

does the csgo version of the change stop doing damage past a certain angle? i'm not sure how the mechanic works

[left sand]

it would make the fix work very unreliably

look, the csgo version was made for csgo

its not good for tf2

[summer steeple]

no i get that i just want to know how it works

[unborn pecan]

any game mechanic opinion coming from comp. tf2 should be disregarded immensely

[left sand]

afaik, it just traces hitboxes

instead of center

[summer steeple]

ah ok

i wasn't sure if it actually did an angle check at all

[small siren]

*i wasn't sure if

it actually did an

angle check at all*

- treacherousfiend

[summer steeple]

to cause it to wrap around a corner or not

mostly because i'm wondering how that sort of thing would work if it just negated all damage if the trace still goes to the center but does no damage if it has to turn 45+ degrees around the corner to do so

[left sand]

the tf2 one does

[summer steeple]

ah i see

kinda figured they'd already have tried smth like that

[grim parcel]

funkehud

[unborn pecan]

so real bro

FUNKeHUD is swaghud

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/389102232747900929/951684733413240862/B9C9B14B-E0AF-42C8-B68A-7DF245AD9ED3.gif

[limpid panther]

is this supposed to be snow?

like, the texture looks terrible

I think they were trying to make it look like little uneven snow moulds like from recent snowfall that cast shadows due to the low sun

but it just looks like a low resolution texture

[radiant merlin]

is there a way i can test items_game.txt changes?

[paper sluice]

I think so I remember seeing some script for that

Can’t remember exactly what it was called but it was on GitHub

[summer steeple]

that is snow but i think its a vanilla snow texture

so in other words blame valve

just in general there's a severe lack of snow textures, official or community

[kind falcon]

could it be your config

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-the-cat-jinx-jinx-cat-cat-computer-gif-25786466

[summer steeple]

basically your only choice outside of vanilla is snowycoast textures

[kind falcon]

i love snowycoast!

[summer steeple]

oh i think i see the problem

the default snow texture has a really strong normal map

snowycoast does use vanilla snow textures

but for most of the textures it uses a different normal map

[radiant merlin]

https://github.com/ficool2/custom_items_games this one?

[kind falcon]

yers

[paper sluice]

Yeah

[radiant merlin]

is it sourcemod?

[kind falcon]

it is VAC-safe.
Run the game with -insecure in the launch parameters.

no? (idont know)

[summer steeple]

for reference, here's how the base snow texture looks in hammer

pretty good comparitively

this normal map doesn't even seem that intense

but in game its killer

in a bad way

i'm trying to figure out just why the texture looks so bad ingame

i think maybe the normal map is just like... too blobby?

too strong? idk

oh ok super neat touch tho

the vmt for the snow texture has a parameter that makes it so that it uses the alpha channel of the normal map as a mask for cubemap reflections

in other words it controls the reflectivity of the texture

and this is what that normal map looks like

they fucking emulated the subtle thing where singular snowflakes catch the light better than others and kinda cause it to sparkle

i love it

[formal dew]

Cool 👀

[paper sluice]

Too much depth in the normal and too he blobs are too blurry me thinks

[small siren]

*Too much depth in the

normal and too he blobs are

too blurry me thinks*

- skyrym

[paper sluice]

Me asf

[summer steeple]

yeah thats kinda what i was thinking

i'm gonna test out what it looks like with a slightly weaker normal map

[radiant merlin]

a snow texture from tf2maps

[summer steeple]

is that from the arctic pack?

looks like one i saw earlier today while mapping

[radiant merlin]

yes

[paper sluice]

wtf

[formal dew]

🤔

[radiant merlin]

i'm planning on making a fixed rocket jumper reload submission

however, it needs code changes

[formal dew]

what are you fixing about it

[radiant merlin]

because of how tf2 handles activities for weapons

[formal dew]

The clipping?

[radiant merlin]

yes

[formal dew]

nice

[radiant merlin]

it needs a new activity in activitylist.cpp just for the rocket jumper

this is how they made the reload animations for the black box

[formal dew]

Not a new animation in the soldier viewmodel?

[radiant merlin]

yes new animations too

[formal dew]

I c

[radiant merlin]

something strange: the black box has activity "ACT_PRIMARY_VM_RELOAD_2" 1

it is an registered activity in activitylist.cpp

however, it isn't in tf_weaponbase

[summer steeple]

i am terrible at working with normal maps

[unborn pecan]

guess you could call them abnormal maps then

[formal dew]

anti mercator cartographers be like:

[paper sluice]

change the brightness of the green channel to change the Y axis of the normal

[summer steeple]

i thought it was the blue channel

[radiant merlin]

act_primary_mv_draw appears twice in these matrixs

[paper sluice]

i think blue is the Z axis

[radiant merlin]

my guess is that the code was being changed and they made a typo here

[small siren]

*my guess is that the

code was being changed and they

made a typo here*

- ashewiki_tf

[paper sluice]

yeah its just
RGB
XYZ

[summer steeple]

yeah and thats what i want to change tho

to make it more flat

ok the blue channel on this is super duper subtle

like omega subtle

[paper sluice]

ah yeah u rite u rite my brain oriented it differentl y

[small siren]

*ah yeah u rite u

rite my brain oriented

it differentl y*

- skyrym

[paper sluice]

damn hit after hit

https://tenor.com/view/will-shakespeare-william-shakespeare-shakespearesshitstorm-brexit-gif-25623407

me asf

[formal dew]

me when shakespeare

[summer steeple]

the Z axis on this normal map is literally like 245-255

why are the shadows so strong

[paper sluice]

honestly i think it is the X and Y channel you wanna change
cuz thats what you'd view from the side

[summer steeple]

maybe?

[summer steeple]

i'll try making those more subtle

[paper sluice]

thats what this is saying

[radiant merlin]

just use cs2 snow from office

[summer steeple]

hmmm still not great

[paper sluice]

more.....

[summer steeple]

I lowered the maximum from 255 to 192

let me raise the minimum

ok apparently the color adjustment didn't want to work when i exported

epic

[radiant merlin]

does the lighting quality affect the result?

[summer steeple]

i don't think so

well actually

it might use the same light probes that the game uses to light dynamic entities

since lightmaps don't store direction

only color

[formal dew]

random question

is there a flag that's the opposite of nomipmap

ie force a texture downgrade regardless of client settings

[summer steeple]

i think sort of?

you know the textures that are low res without mat_picmip -10

that people always complained about

like the feet spray can

the reason that happened is because of a VTF lod control feature

iforget how exactly it works

oh yep here it is

[mystic turtle]

Hello folks
I had a terrible idea
IDK if this wouldn't work due to the layout, but would pd_powerhouse work as a map?

[summer steeple]

I think powerhouse is a bit too focused (as weird as that sounds) to be a good pd map

[formal dew]

You'd need something to deposit the items

[summer steeple]

you'd have to block off most of the back areas and then add more routes to mid

i'm kinda just assuming thats taken care of in this hypothetical example

[formal dew]

I have a soft spot for powerhouse

[mystic turtle]

Chuck it in mid

[formal dew]

true

I'd say it probably wouldn't work

[summer steeple]

agh

for some reason if i export out of krita with a filter mask applied and the alpha mask it corrupts the image

like bruh

[formal dew]

now it's visual snow

[radiant merlin]

missigno

[summer steeple]

no alpha in this experiment 😔

[radiant merlin]

oh wait it's missingno

[summer steeple]

holy shit so much better

old for comparison

[formal dew]

Looks less like mashed potatoes

[summer steeple]

new community fix time

[formal dew]

Could comment on the workshop or smth

The page for the map I mean

[summer steeple]

nah this is a vanilla tf2 texture

been in the game since like... viaduct

[formal dew]

damn

[summer steeple]

what I can do is just release a standalone vmt for mappers to use in the future

but it won't really work for pre-existing blend materials

those will have to be remade

just the vmt

[formal dew]

can workshop maps include a vmt that impacts stock textures or is that dumb

[summer steeple]

i actually don't know

but the game has weird issues with content getting unloaded or not matching

[formal dew]

might cause big issues given the workshop asset problems that have been around for a while

[summer steeple]

2 of the new maps use the same filename for a model and it causes issues

i think one uses like an older version of the asset pack it was from

[formal dew]

the elevator on Phoenix being invisible is fairly game breaking

[summer steeple]

thats not the same issue tho

cause thats a completely custom model for that map

[formal dew]

o

[summer steeple]

i think?

i'll have to check

[formal dew]

Were you referring to the vsh maps

[summer steeple]

cause i think someone said it was a model caching issue but i think thats the same issue i was talking about?

i don't tihkn so

[wild grove]

I didn't encounter that at all from when I played it.

[formal dew]

I had it once but not since

[summer steeple]

yeah its not like an all the time issue

idk whats up with it

[formal dew]

reminds me of the invasion update when the maps there were pretty busted

I wanna say they were the first accepted workshop maps to include compressed packed assets

actually I think suijin had issues with missing assets too

[heavy solar]

@formal dew has leveled up! (36 ➜ 37)

[small siren]

*actually I

think suijin had issues with

missing assets too*

- borealis64

[formal dew]

gun mettle maps were all fairly swag except snowplow

[summer steeple]

yeah i doubt any other map in the update uses this model lmao

[summer steeple]

wasn't snowplow end of the line

[formal dew]

it was added in gm

Unless you're making a joke about that debacle

[limpid panther]

piss

[formal dew]

so true

[summer steeple]

oh i didn't realize snowplow didn't get released until gun mettle

[formal dew]

ye

Then weirdly the same thing happened with invasion

Where snowycoast didn't get in until tough break

maybe as a consolation prize

[formal dew]

afaik it was ready to ship in eotl but you know

[small siren]

*afaik

it was ready to ship in

eotl but you know*

- borealis64

[formal dew]

too confusing for new players

[summer steeple]

yeah

[formal dew]

then it shipped in gun mettle and was never heard from again

because it's an extremely mid map

kicked in alternative purgatory

[summer steeple]

guh? phoenix wasn't updated yet was it?

why these windows working

[formal dew]

I was trawlin through the official map list to see which ones had hardcoded names and surprise, there's really no rhyme or reason to discern from it

tr target has a proper name but none of the mannpower maps do

[summer steeple]

the game might not remove tr from the filename

[formal dew]

cactus canyon also has one

[summer steeple]

i don't think it does

[formal dew]

It's "Target"

[summer steeple]

yeah but if they didn't hardcode it, it might say tr target

cactus canyon is 2 words but the filename has no underscore

[small siren]

*cactus canyon is

2 words but the filename

has no underscore*

- treacherousfiend

[formal dew]

true

no rendition of sawmill has one

neither do any mvm maps

but you can only see the name in the motd in mvm anyway and not the scoreboard

[summer steeple]

there's something very special about this platform on phoenix last

taking guesses

[formal dew]

weird shadow

[summer steeple]

true, its related to that

its a dynamic entity with a baked in lightmap

that is... nearly seamless

idek how the fuck you can do that

[formal dew]

why tho

[summer steeple]

for the explosion at the end of the round

[formal dew]

Cool

it's certainly an impressive map

[summer steeple]

yeah

[formal dew]

I'm chuffed that reckoner and sulfur got in just because I like how they look

and more international maps

[summer steeple]

ye i like how most of the maps in this update look

[formal dew]

plus the second ever steel like cp map in the game

steellike™

[jagged pawn]

MORE NON LINEAR A/D 🗣️

[summer steeple]

and even steel got an update

[jagged pawn]

the steel update is so good

[formal dew]

and a second one might get in

[summer steeple]

i haven't played it yet

[jagged pawn]

my only worry about it is that I've noticed blu has an easier time now but that could just be anecdotal

[formal dew]

no treesway on the 3 stick bushes on the map tho 😔

[jagged pawn]

caldera is another extremely good one

[summer steeple]

i know the mappers are keeping a good eye on how sulfur plays

[jagged pawn]

I feel like non-linear a/d maps are by far the most interesting

like not even just steel

gravel pit too

[summer steeple]

i spent years of my life hating them because gravelpit sucks ass and i hate steel

[jagged pawn]

:(

[summer steeple]

but sulfur made me go hmmmmmm

[jagged pawn]

alloy is a really solid gravel pit-like if you need some convincing on that front

[summer steeple]

oh my god these windows in phoenix

[formal dew]

do we know if the peeps who made cashworks would be capable of any updates

[summer steeple]

one is dark because there's a FUCKING SHADOW COVERING IT

THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL

[jagged pawn]

lol

[formal dew]

got damn

[summer steeple]

cashworks was uploaded to workshop in 2022

so yes?

[formal dew]

Oh nice

[jagged pawn]

yeah cashworks may be super old but its creators are still around

I do hope they work on it because I really like the bones of it

[small siren]

*I do hope they work

on it because I really

like the bones of it*

- grapevine

[formal dew]

flobster comes out of retirement for a turbine update in 2024

[jagged pawn]

please

[formal dew]

Even better

Fastlane skybox fix

[unborn pecan]

guys

here is my tf2 update idea

https://tenor.com/view/dog-im-in-im-down-doggo-dogs-gif-10827714

We add this dog into the game

LOOK HOW CUTE AND INNOCENT HE IS

[summer steeple]

he's a part of the team

team fortress

[unborn pecan]

he will be the most OP class in the game

[jagged pawn]

guard dog but he can't do damage

[unborn pecan]

his poor innocent heart will explode at the first sign of terror

[formal dew]

fluffy

[summer steeple]

bruh

some of the trees on phoenix

are like LOD trees

where they're 2 planes intersecting

i didn't even notice at first

like some of them are nearly in bounds

but they blend in well

somehow

[wild grove]

Prolly related to the bugfix about missing materials in the map.

[summer steeple]

maybe? altho i was fairly certain that the smae material was used in other places on the map and those didn't have the issue

idk

oh wait i totally missed the fact that there was a pheonix update in that patch note mb

i was looking at this patch note

[kind falcon]

seal winks

[next nymph]

normal maps are supposed to store a normalized vector (mapping [0,255] to [-1,1] for each component) so the maximum should still be 255 unless r/g are adjusted accordingly. If you want to adjust strength, you should be able to do that elsewhere

[radiant merlin]

I think that level of shadow quality can't be achieved with the normal vrad

so either valve just shiped the bsp file they received or phoenix creators gave them a custom vrad

[radiant merlin]

why

[paper sluice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM909hW8AsE

[radiant merlin]

oh it was this option

no it isn't wtf

[spare obsidian]

lol

[radiant merlin]

nice

sfm crashed

[tacit flare]

https://youtu.be/YbMSVGZSkBw

[formal dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iek8L2ii6vE

[formal dew]

peep the promo code

[lean cove]

2016

[spare obsidian]

didn't the valve fan store would have a next iteration?

i swear i've read that somewhere without any citation

[crisp cedar]

tbh i assume it will be replaced by something

[spare obsidian]

i wonder if its going to be part of the main store

because for me it would make more sense since the only way to find the fan store is trough some valve game blogs or game sites

[formal dew]

the video i linked claims that posters on the new store were way more expensive than on the og valve store and look way worse

[orchid sorrel]

They are yea

[formal dew]

😔

[radiant merlin]

it's done

[formal dew]

looks good

[cursive peak]

Maybe the new Valve merch store will at least have cheaper international shipping.

[formal dew]

someone from finland said they wanted 110 for shippin

[cursive peak]

New one or For Fans?

[formal dew]

the welovefine store

110 us dollars too

[cursive peak]

For Fans, that's what We Love Fine changed name to.

[formal dew]

Oh

[cursive peak]

For Fans By Fans/WeLoveFine had really expensive international shipping charges.

I have a bunch of shirts from them.

Also, curiously enough, they would wildly overestimate shipping if you didn't have an account/weren't signed in.

[spare obsidian]

be aware of exporting animations from sfm

iirc they get mirrored when exported has dmx

[radiant merlin]

what

[spare obsidian]

when you export an animation from has a dmx it gets mirrored

for some reason

[left sand]

texture

[radiant merlin]

phoenix is the de_prime from csgo for tf2

[spare obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKK5JKNoD9E&t=0s hey do you guys think valve use this for the summer promo image in blender?

[radiant merlin]

it's either blender or s2fm

and photoshop

most likely blender

[crisp cedar]

its s2fm

the type steamvr uses for the supervillain lair

[potent wolf]

tf2 source 2 port confirmed

[radiant merlin]

@spare obsidian is this what you mean?

[spare obsidian]

yep

[radiant merlin]

damn

then how do i fix it?

[spare obsidian]

blender tbh

let me ask if there's a way to fix it

[radiant merlin]

i see

it should be like this

[spare obsidian]

@radiant merlin export the animation from sfm has a taunt animation

if you want to directly export them from sfm

idk why but seems like taunt animations doesn't get this bug

[small siren]

*idk why but

seems like taunt animations

doesn't get this bug*

- Brodspy

[radiant merlin]

it works

thanks

[spare obsidian]

no problem 👍

[radiant merlin]

it looks bad lol

i'm not good at animating

well it looks decent

[spare obsidian]

ehh i mean to get the point crossed its good

[formal dew]

curious how they updated the model in mym but didnt address the reload

[radiant merlin]

for the hot hand and the thermal thurster valve had to create item3 and item4

[left sand]

he's still playing tf2

[jagged pawn]

so good

[left sand]

we're back...

[lean cove]

#tf2sweep.....

[jagged pawn]

out of curiosity are the new hud elements for vsh modular? like can custom huds mess with them? idk how vscript interacts with vgui

[lean cove]

now THIS is a CRAZY statement right here.....

[left sand]

gang gang

gang

gang

mmm ice cream so good

[crisp cedar]

yes yes yes

gang gang

rrrrah rrah rrrrrah

[lean cove]

i ate pork and salad so now even desert sounds bad

[crisp cedar]

balloon pop pop pop

yes yes yes

[jagged pawn]

damn I'll never know

[crisp cedar]

slurp slurp mm ice cream so good