Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[orchid sorrel]

(this was like, around MYM)

so I can see it being demoralizing to just have everybody constantly complain no matter what you do

I remember when 2cities came out, people on FP were legitimately upset valve were "abandoning" PVP for MVM

[summer steeple]

lmao no way

[orchid sorrel]

always funny to think about in hindsight

[high current]

I think at the time star’s opinion was seen as overly critical. Looking back on it the guy was probably just burnt out and realistically him and jerma were probably the only TFtuber big enough to get stream sniped (or video sniped) at the time. And I think he was just directing that general negativity towards the game and the developers. But I can’t really fault him for it, burn out was a less discussed thing then.
I forget when he officially “left” tf2, but I think it was still receiving regular-ish major updates when he left, or it was the first notable stretch of time without major updates.
I think now you can much more easily say that there’s less consideration put into content, relative to star’s time. If you believe that to be true currently in a vacuum or not, I’m not addressing.

[summer steeple]

i wasn't really a part of the actual community at that time, but iirc it really was like massive burnout from tf2

like he's gone on record about that shit

iirc he said something like "I started making silly mod videos, if that doesn't tell you everything i don't know what will"

like this really says a lot about him rather than the game, but i'd need to rewatch these to remember how exactly it was

[high current]

Honestly it was still pretty early on in YouTube being a career for anyone. So I don’t think people figured out a healthy way to make content on the singular game they played without putting themselves into awful mental situations.

[summer steeple]

yeah

I mean you can see it in both ster and jerma's vids

both of them trying to branch out and not be stuck to tf2

but the tf2 community really really doesn't like to let go

to this day people still ask them to play tf2

moreso ster because jerma's made a real name of himself as being not that now

[high current]

Jerma has made quite a lot of success as a variety streamer though, and is more open to speaking about tf2. Also he seemed to be less burnt out at the end of his tf2 era compared to star, probably because he took it more casually and lighthearted. And I think he released less content than star.

[summer steeple]

ster's more open about it now

but i def think jerma was more branched out by the time he left tf2

[high current]

I don’t think jerma was ever closed off about it though. I’m sure at points he probably just decided to not address it because otherwise he’d never stop being asked about it. But there was a point in time where star was very adamant about not wanting to think about tf2

[summer steeple]

I think it mostly was just harassment from people constantly asking him to play it

[high current]

Yeh jerma was sorta like a variety streamer that orbited tf2, more than a dedicated tf2 YouTuber.

Also jerma having a background in teaching probably helped him to deal with obnoxious children screaming at him constantly.

Honestly it’s pretty unfortunate the way things went down with them and tf2. I think they were sorta just the frontiersman of tf2 content creation and they had to make the tragic mistakes associated with being the firsts.
Granted I think they’re both in good places now so it’s not like the biggest tragedy of their life. But having something so foundational to your legacy associated with harassment is pretty brutal nonetheless.

[heavy solar]

@high current has leveled up! (14 ➜ 15)

[summer steeple]

yeah

i want to say muselk also had issues with it? i never watched his stuff

[spare obsidian]

and after that arc, the tftubers started to be mehh, to mid to borderline just click bait abuser (not everyone)

[summer steeple]

oh man and i totally forgot about the part where tf2 fan harassment got worse for tf2bers who switched to overwatch

like ster

people treated it like they left to go join the nazi party or smth

"you're a traitor! you play bad game instead of game i like!"

[high current]

Ehhh. He kinda just switched from being a relatively in-touch tf2ber to a click baity Fortnite youtube very suddenly.
Not saying he deserved the harassment. But when you go through not only content shift to a complete style shift, to controversial versions of both of those. Backlash is sorta inevitable.

[high current]

I think a lot of the gripe over switching to overwatch was basically just that they were leaving for the money. Because at that point its not like you’re leaving because you don’t like tf2, and within a year of most of their careers there were clips of many of them talking about how overwatch was worse than tf2.
Not to blame them though, if you can get paid 5 times as much for playing a game that you like 80% as much, it’s sort of an easy decision.

[jagged pawn]

the problem is that people complain when tf2bers have negative opinions on the game yet stick around anyway, but they also complain when they leave, so there's just no winning unless you're willing to like, pretend you're still enjoying it

[jagged pawn]

the clips of comp players in particular that left for overwatch and were genuinely like "if valve put money into tf2 I'd come back, it's so much more fun" like damn imagine how the overwatch team felt hearing their stars talk like that lmfao

[spare obsidian]

why i feel like that most of tf2tubers when moved away from the game started to do like shit like this where they just abused of the click bait in the popular game at the time

[jagged pawn]

I think they're probably just the ones you notice

hamaji neo is always one that jumps to mind for going from a good tf2ber to a great content creator in a different field

[crisp cedar]

HALF LIFE ALYX REFERENCE

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480416823695638578/1109166707517435924/jumpscare.mp4

[wild grove]

bloons

[high current]

Finished the skeleton for my in-hud comfig app. Still need to actually fill in the scrollable containers on the left side with the options.
It's already 3500 lines long👀

[left sand]

that's so cool!

[formal dew]

Impressive

[high current]

thank youuuu. For added fun I tried to keep it in the same order as the actual comfig.app, though I had to shift around a couple options to keep the options symmetrical.
Also elements inside scrollable containers don't play nice with pins, so I have to manually position everything🙂

[summer steeple]

wowee

thats really cool

[radiant merlin]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2062130598005536302/95843E848EC34E1222DDE3E23B4FDBA7C830A987/

[radiant merlin]

i hate koth sawmill

why does the point takes too long to cap

[grave badge]

is it normal that lerp is 15ms now instead of 15.2?

[left sand]

what do you mean?

[grave badge]

i had 15ms lerp for some reason

it went away after the map changed

[summer steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwTFA93W6G8

epic, can't wait for upward to be just annoying to play on

"maybe don't fix this bug that lets players resupply in specific areas of the map"

honestly if valve fixes it they'll probably add a cvar

[spare obsidian]

isn't this bug technically related to the Schrödinger' crouch?

https://wiki.sourceruns.org/wiki/Schrodinger's_Crouch

smh shoinic not being accurated

[summer steeple]

no its not related

its just a bug with how the game handles crouch jumping

[spare obsidian]

...its technically the same if you think about it

When the player crouches, then uncrouches, and crouches again before the animation of standing up completes, the game glitches their stance into two states. The camera becomes seperated from the player's actual body, allowing the player to peek their view through ceilings.

The name is derived from the famous paradox "Schrödinger's Cat", where the player is in two states, both crouching and standing, until the player releases the crouch button.

and shounic video sort implies that the player's hitbox trepasses that 16 hu floor to touch the resuply

[summer steeple]

its not the same

because he never uncrouches

he's just crouch jumping

[spare obsidian]

so its another case of the game hitbox being jank lol

[summer steeple]

yeah

i mean you can watch the video and he explains why it happens

[crisp cedar]

https://twitter.com/yeetus44/status/1659267005512560642

yeetus (@yeetus44)

@EverythingOOC this is why team fortress 2 will always be better than overwatch and any other game

Twitter · May 18, 2023, 6:37 PM

lmfaoo

they did like 3 points per game but gave tf2 like 9 points

[potent wolf]

welcoming community

[crisp cedar]

timeless artstyle - fair
loveable characters - fair
wasn't made as a cashgrab - false
not made by a bad company - this is only according to a really really low bar that shouldnt be that low to begin with
good story writing - fair
original game mechanics - who gives a shit
played by adults - who gives a shit
loved by everyone - who gives a shit
welcoming community - lol

"originality" is such a redundant concept

gamers when the nemesis system is patented - NOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST PATENT A GAMEPLAY MECHANIC
gamers when a game takes inspiration from another game - NOOOOO YOU COPIED EVERYTHING FROM THEM YOURE SUCH A KNOCKOFF

warm or cold with a flick of my wrist

[hybrid cloud]

the tf2 community is not welcoming it's indoctrinating

crouch in the corner on 2fort citizen

[formal dew]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-clone-wars-begun-the-clone-war-has-gif-21159557

Tf2 fans

[cursive peak]

At least back in the community server era of TF2, it was a lot more welcoming/accepting since people could filter themselves into servers they vibed with rather than all being thrown together into the mess that is matchmaking.

[craggy ridge]

millions must be unfunny

billions even

[hybrid cloud]

billions must name themselves sex gaming

[craggy ridge]

"sex gaming"
talk
never had sex

[cursive peak]

I also don't think TF2 was a cashgrab. Like, Valve obviously wanted to make money off it, but the years in development shows there's at least a little care thrown in, while a cashgrab would have been shat out quickly, and we'd be on like TF25 by now.

[hybrid cloud]

tf2 was retrofitted to become a cash grab

valve added a few customization options for player avatars and suddenly there's an economy where fake gold kitchen utensils can pay off part of your mortgage

[high current]

Ehhh. I think tf2 basically invented the new f2p+cosmetics model, which is probably more profitable than releasing the same game every year could be outside of the behemoths like cod and battlefield. Even those people are getting tired of buying annually.
I do think they put care into the game though. Usually if you work hard on something you care about it. Especially the devs like robin walker that worked on it for something like 20 years.

[cursive peak]

It went free to play years after release, though.

[hybrid cloud]

it didn't start as a continuous revenue model but it became one and became bigger for it

other companies probably saw it and thought hey maybe i should do that

[craggy ridge]

tf2 was very revolutionary, being the first video game ever to have D.I.S. mechanics

[cursive peak]

Cashgrabs are really more games that try to latch onto current fads or such to make a quick buck. Licensed games are far more likely to be cashgrabs than something like TF2.

Like, all the FNAF or Among Us clones that popped up.

[spare obsidian]

technically tf2 is "original" because at the time

quake tf, and tfc where already forgotten

lol

and tossed to obscurity

[cursive peak]

I don't think so, at least not TFC.

[spare obsidian]

it becames forgotable if we don't ignore the nade spam in thigh corridors

lol

but yeah comparing TF2 with any other game is like comparing apples with oranges

[summer steeple]

destiny 2 "literally made as a cashgrab by the same company who made overwatch"

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

i guess publisher counts as developer now

[limpid panther]

https://youtu.be/DLDV-3c2EQA

[potent wolf]

I would never have known!

[left sand]

https://twitter.com/paleblueface/status/1658861345238810625

Holder of a failing brain (@paleblueface)

@ChrisVoiceman TF2 vs. Overwatch discourse

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Twitter · May 17, 2023, 3:45 PM

[grim parcel]

half life 2 will always be better than tf2

• timeless gameplay
• loveable characters
• wasn't a cashgrab like 10 years after the free mod
• not filled with f2p children
• good story writing
• original game mechanics
• played by adults
• loved by everyone
• welcoming community

tf2

• literally infested with bots
• overrated knockoff of hl2:dm/quake
• devs literally admit they used half life as a base for the first game

[formal dew]

true

[jagged pawn]

I know this is unrelated to the topic (and the channel) but the nemesis system is so sick

we love every playthrough feeling unique

[radiant merlin]

i like when suddenly audio sounds like from hl1

[radiant merlin]

i killed this engi

[orchid sorrel]

is he the guy with the yoshi icon

[grave badge]

here it is again

[wild grove]

I was literally on a other server that had this post, this is a reddit tier post.

it boils peeps pots so much, I believe it's bait.

[limpid panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_nCWv-vKg8

[formal dew]

So many great contract lines that go unheard

rip merasmissions

[orchid sorrel]

https://streamable.com/p6cu2x

testing out a special mvm thing for gunslinger

+125 max hp
+100% fist damage
+Sentries have shields
-Sentries cannot fire
-Damage to shield damages the sentry

still in concepting phases, but I like it so far

[jagged pawn]

lmao he's just straight up making tutorials for valve now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvFjUQ2Kyi8

[potent wolf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9dhTvOQhUU

[cursive peak]

Now do it again but butter.

[limpid panther]

😆

[blazing willow]

Yeah, resident evil 3 is pretty cool

[radiant merlin]

• decide to go for the medic
• got spotted by the scout and scare the shit out
• decide to go for the sniper instead
• kill the medic anyways
• survive
  wtf

[orchid sorrel]

https://imgur.com/AVj83DO

Weezy video jumpscare

[potent wolf]

cp_gullywash_final1_bsp.txt
8:"comment" "Decompiled by VMEX v0.98g from C:"
cp_gullywash_final1_bsp.txt: WARNING: stopped searching binary file after match (found "\0" byte around offset 291778)

Huh?

[cursive peak]

https://twitter.com/johnpatricklowr/status/1661508566237462530

John Lowrie (@johnpatricklowr)

Just sayin…

Twitter · May 24, 2023, 11:04 PM

[jagged pawn]

already sent in #gaming-news🎮, why do people assume it's tf2 lol

tf2 fans think challenge

(not to say it can't be tf2 but like. it's dota)

[cursive peak]

He's also been recording Search for Sandvich stuff recently. Could be related to that.

[crisp cedar]

i wouldnt entirely scratch out the possibility of it being somewhat tf2 related

[cursive peak]

And fuck off with calling me brainless dipshit.

[jagged pawn]

LMAO

[crisp cedar]

dont count on anything major though

its literally gonna probably be just like

[jagged pawn]

I just don't think it belongs in this channel when the odds of it being tf2 are like 1 in 10

[crisp cedar]

a few lines theyll attach to a hat

and thats it

or a taunt

taunt lines

like thats all youre getting

[paper sluice]

maybe vsh voicelines

i am not crazy

[crisp cedar]

thats not outside of the realm of possibility, theyll possibly get him to do a few lines like that

(not vsh)

[cursive peak]

Was thinking a couple of new lines for the summer update.

[crisp cedar]

just some lines for cosmetics, thats it

though hes probably there for dota lets be real, its just likely that theyll also have him do a few tf2 lines

the tf2 lines he would have to do would be nothing compared to the dota lines he would have to do

[cursive peak]

His account has been very TF2 for a while, so there's that, too.

[small siren]

*His account has been

very TF2 for a

while, so there's that, too.*

- Steamworks

[crisp cedar]

they have him locked up in a va booth and have him record 35 mins of voicelines for a skin

not 30s worth of lines, 35 min

thats 2100s of lines

that and

[jagged pawn]

he's recording the space update line
"Crikey! I'm in space!"
that's it he goes home after that

[crisp cedar]

tf2's vas have been vocal in wanting valve to do more with the game

so, again, its not outside of the realm of possibility but like

honestly it doesnt even sound unreasonable because itd be fucking easy

[cursive peak]

But, you see, you gotta meme the dead gaem thing into oblivion.

[crisp cedar]

like the only reason valve would do it is if they were already there to record lines for dota and have them do like 6 lines for tf2 since they're already there

[cursive peak]

Literally brain dead to even think it could be TF2 related.

[jagged pawn]

so true

[crisp cedar]

i didnt say that

its literally dota related

[cursive peak]

Go fuck yourself.

[jagged pawn]

💀

[crisp cedar]

im saying its entirely possible

we literally have a confirmed update

thats bigger than the past couple of updates tf2 has gotten over the last 3 years or so

im just saying, dont be surprised when sniper has new lines for some taunt

[small siren]

*im just saying, dont

be surprised when sniper has

new lines for some taunt*

- rayne

[crisp cedar]

but that's all you'll get

[jagged pawn]

wdym bigger

[crisp cedar]

not major

[jagged pawn]

they pretty explicitly said it's not bigger

[crisp cedar]

i know

its like slightly bigger

[jagged pawn]

not even hating because I'm hyped about the update but like. it's a holiday-sized update

[crisp cedar]

thats about it

they have stated they are interested in community-made fixes to the game and such

[cursive peak]

If they throw a bunch of bug fixes/performance fixes in, it'll be a bigger update than the holiday ones.

[jagged pawn]

fair

[crisp cedar]

which they havent done before

therefore its a bit bigger than usual

but still smaller than actual major updates

well, theyve done fixes before but these have been really slow

[cursive peak]

I miss the days of weekly updates.

Usually little fixes, but still weekly.

[jagged pawn]

yeah checking in on those was fun

[cursive peak]

Was every Thursday for a while.

[jagged pawn]

idk I think the line for a major update is some sort of valve-made content. whether maps or weapons or sfms or comics they haven't put anything out since JI and that's what people really want

but those days are over so an annual summer update is a good compromise that I'll really enjoy. it just bothers me when people convince themselves those days are coming back somehow. we've had 6 years to move on now

[cursive peak]

I've long said I just want performance and bug fixes along with a handful of the better community maps to be elevated to stock.

[crisp cedar]

the line for a major update is a major change to how the game is played

[formal dew]

I merely hope that their policy of replicating steam fix submissions doesnt mean that there won't be very many

[cursive peak]

We don't really need new weapons.

[jagged pawn]

agree

[cursive peak]

Just fix the useless ones.

[jagged pawn]

but I also don't think they're gonna do balance patches

[formal dew]

What people want is the social resource of valve caring about the game

[jagged pawn]

would love to be wrong

[crisp cedar]

who said anything about balance patches

hey

[jagged pawn]

steamworks?

[crisp cedar]

all i implied is that since there's going to be a summer update already with a bunch of fixes, and that since john lowrie is going to be recording dota lines he might as well record some sniper lines for a taunt they picked to be added eventually

thats all i implied

[cursive peak]

If they didn't care, why wouldn't they just shut it all down?

[jagged pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-giveittome-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-4184913

[crisp cedar]

because people are still dumb enough to buy crates

[formal dew]

That's the fun part, no one will be satistified with the level of caring

[crisp cedar]

and keys

[formal dew]

true

[crisp cedar]

dota fans are some of the most ungrateful mfs

they eat like kings but will still find ways to whine about it

[cursive peak]

On the flip side, it costs them money to maintain the item servers and master server along with casual.

[crisp cedar]

okay but

[jagged pawn]

I'm fortunate enough to have never interacted with a dota fan

[crisp cedar]

valve has literally infinit emoney

i think they just dont care

[formal dew]

tf2 probably has less than 5% of the active servers than csgo or dota

er

[crisp cedar]

what do you think youre doing while talking to me

[formal dew]

virtual server instances

[jagged pawn]

oh no

[crisp cedar]

i eat like a king and i fucking love it

i play the best game ever

and im not joking

[formal dew]

I have no strong opinions on dota 2 beyond the fact that mouse driven birds eye games are generally not my forte and i thus dont play rts or moba games

[crisp cedar]

thats a healthy opinion to have

[jagged pawn]

at risk of turning this into a Topic I just think that from the outside looking in it's a completely soulless game. like why are their names Alchemist and Invoker and Batrider who came up with these

but obviously I haven't played it so could be wrong. it just has nothing to draw me in

[cursive peak]

Didn't some of them have to be renamed because the old names were Blizzard IP?

[crisp cedar]

they have actual names

some of the heroes are referred to by their titles for simplicity and readability

all heroes in league are referred to by their names and it can get really confusing

because theres like 4 different characters who have 5 letter long names starting with Ar

[crisp cedar]

yes

[crisp cedar]

i made this a little bit ago to make my point easier to understand

the characters are far easier to memorize and call out if its just a mixture of titles and names

gameplay reasons!

[formal dew]

dota 2 needs the bald valve guy intro tho

[crisp cedar]

it has its own unique intro but they do play hazardous environments for a little bit at the start

[left sand]

its funny that the male07, earthshaker voice actor would totally be doing tf2 voicelines when theres a gordon freeman in the picture

[crisp cedar]

eh i think its just him showing off random things valve had up for display

just him saying "hi im at valve rn"

[hybrid cloud]

there's honestly a better chance of him doing voice lines for l4d

[summer steeple]

isn't VMEX super duper obsolete?

[potent wolf]

🤷‍♀️

this is in the official bsp

[summer steeple]

oh

i guess at some point they lost progress and had to decompile the VMF

all the BSP decompiling tools (that i know of) leave a comment in the mapinfo with the version that decompiled it

there's a few maps in game (usually event maps) that have similar comment from bspsrc

[potent wolf]

Yeah, a bunch of event maps have it.

...and also brazil?

[summer steeple]

sometimes people lose progress

for some reason a lot of people don't use version control for maps

its a shame

[spare obsidian]

because the system that's in place for it really doesn't work

manifest maps doesn't work well and that's literally the version control that valve made for maps because it really its not source control friendly

https://tf2maps.net/threads/guide-using-manifests-to-make-your-life-better.26145/

hammer can read manifest

but vbsp doesn't

you need to turn them into instances, and that defeats the whole purpose of it

iirc vbsp from sdk2013sp has the code of the manifest in vbsp but for unknow reasons it was wipeout in sdk2013mp

[summer steeple]

most maps don't use manifests

especially since h++ completely depreceated it

also like

version control like git works fine

cause vmf is just plaintext

[crisp cedar]

https://twitter.com/johnpatricklowr/status/1661622596423790593

John Lowrie (@johnpatricklowr)

Hey, folks. Just so you know, this wasn't meant to be a puzzle. There are no 'clues'. I just took a couple of pics out at Valve because I was out there working and I shared them here because I thought they were fun.

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519

Twitter · May 25, 2023, 6:37 AM

basically confirmed

[crisp cedar]

about time i unsub

first they post a sexualized child version of the minisentry now they post bad memes (they always have, but still)

"minecraft"
"new update every month"

[left sand]

i didn't mean it like that

i more meant the first part

[crisp cedar]

ah

[wild grove]

why did you even sub in the first place when r/truetf2 exists?

[crisp cedar]

i wanted to unsub a long time ago i just was lazy

besides im not interested in truetf2 either

both sides are losers

[formal dew]

reddit tf2 is bad enough

But the steam reddit is fucking abysmal

[slender nexus]

God I forgot I was still subbed to TF2 when I saw that one
usually I love gijinka art but that one is kinda lazy and bad

[slender nexus]

God I just decided to pop into r/gijinka because I've never browsed that sub before
and unfortunately most of the art is bad

[limpid panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GSMJ-zzzig

this looks fun

[slender nexus]

Rats Instagram

[left sand]

https://twitter.com/johnpatricklowr/status/1661805037126033408

John Lowrie (@johnpatricklowr)

Ok, you have to promise to stay calm. Thought this pic would be more neutral 😃 Back out at Valve today and, like all voice actors, can’t say anything specific. You’re the greatest fans in the world❤️❤️❤️ thanks for hanging with me 👍

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Twitter · May 25, 2023, 6:42 PM

[formal dew]

Nice

[broken thistle]

its not tf2 related loll

[hoary geyser]

dota 3

[broken thistle]

i doubt it

[formal dew]

challenging work

Outta doors

[summer steeple]

watch it be a dota announcer or smth cs2 related

or more likely, absolutely nothing because valve never releases anything

[formal dew]

internally unsatisfactory

[spare obsidian]

TF2 fans when they see something not even remotely TF2 related

[formal dew]

true

[spare obsidian]

remenber the steam last big sale where they added the tf2 logo into an air conditioner? yeah, that says a lot to tf2 fans and generic tf2tubers

[cursive peak]

So is there somewhere to go where people actually like the game and Valve?

[formal dew]

New Zealand

[cursive peak]

And where one can like the game and not get shit on?

[spare obsidian]

outside of the internet lol

[cursive peak]

Doesn't it get tiring to be lumped in under "herp derp TF2 fans thinking that one of the game's VAs is at Valve it might maybe have something to do with the game. Aren't they so stupid?"

[spare obsidian]

i mean... r/TF2 is full of those idiots

in youtube too lol

what copium since jungle inferno does to a community

[cursive peak]

Its not ridiculous to speculate that something might be up given the upcoming update.

[spare obsidian]

the problem is they build hype for something that may not even exist

[small siren]

*the problem is they

build hype for something that may

not even exist*

- Brodspy

[spare obsidian]

and get mad because

"oh shit this wasn't real 😡"

like, c'mon

[cursive peak]

I was called an idiot for linking that first tweet in here instead of going to #gaming-news🎮.

[spare obsidian]

let me guess, rayne?

[cursive peak]

No, some other fuckwit.

Even look in here how much the people hate the game and company.

[small siren]

*Even look in here

how much the people hate the

game and company.*

- Steamworks

[spare obsidian]

i think the community got so divisive by people creating fake hopes to later realized they where just chasing smoke and the other well the other face of the spectrum

[spare obsidian]

yeah basically i said

people feels so entitled that valve should be only just be working on TF2 like, i know valve isn't perfect but lol have some comon sence lol valve has other money makers than just tf2 lol

and if your generic tf2 fan can read you can realized the team that was in tf2 just shifted to work in s2

[cursive peak]

It's not even entitlement.

[spare obsidian]

even the final hours of hla says that lol

[formal dew]

Huh

News to me

But I haven't watched that

[spare obsidian]

yeah, in that book they said that it was during post-jungle inferno

and before blue moon iirc

[formal dew]

Interesting

[spare obsidian]

like, ngl working in s2 is more exciting than working in a game for over 12 years

lol

[formal dew]

Yeah I cannot fault anyone there not wanting to work on the game

[small siren]

*Yeah I cannot fault

anyone there not wanting

to work on the game*

- Borealis

[formal dew]

It's tough

[spare obsidian]

its a funny misconception that the community was the responsible of the team leaving TF2 while yeah it was unknow

until HLA

[cursive peak]

But is that reason to call every single TF2 player mentally deficient?

Or talk like Valve is throwing children into meat grinders?

[spare obsidian]

no, there's people that are either too negative or too possitive to find the smallest referenced be connected to something there's two sides, but there's people that are neutral

so what you posted, should not have been a reason to get insulted

[small siren]

*so what you posted,

should not have been a reason

to get insulted*

- Brodspy

[spare obsidian]

is dumb that both sides are agresive towards each other or people that are just neutral 🤷

that's why r/RealTF2 exist lol

but about note, best of luck to our favorite sniper va

i want to know what project he would be working on

[crisp cedar]

im the tf2 hater and i think its dota related but they will maybe record some tf2 lines along the dota lines

[craggy ridge]

chess better

[crisp cedar]

cry all u want because i wont be disappointed if i would be wrong

because i have nothing to lose by me being wrong, unlike all of you here

i only stand to gain as a dota player

[cursive peak]

You could also eat a giant bag of shit.

[formal dew]

damn

[crisp cedar]

what's the most you've ever lost on a coin toss

[cursive peak]

How much does it cost to not be a flaming dick?

[crisp cedar]

what's. the most. you've ever lost. on a coin toss.

[cursive peak]

How much would it cost to take a shit in a bag and then eat it?

[crisp cedar]

tsk

✊

call it

[craggy ridge]

400,000 dollars, for 12 seconds

[cursive peak]

Go fuck yourself.

[crisp cedar]

just call it

you need to call it, i cant call it for you

it wouldnt be fair it wouldnt even be right

[cursive peak]

You can go consume feces.

[formal dew]

I am somewhat interested because dota 2 is now in its tenth year of support since it's full release in 2013

[crisp cedar]

nooo youre not supposed to reply like that come on

you could atleast humor me here

[high current]

There’s very few things I wouldn’t do for $10k

[crisp cedar]

WELCOME!!!

[cursive peak]

You can also go fuck yourself.

[high current]

I mean, for $10k, that’s an easy task

[cursive peak]

Worthless fuck.

[formal dew]

now I wanna make a spreadsheet graph of the number of updates the three games have gotten in the days post release

[crisp cedar]

it's only an easy task for someone who's already tried

[formal dew]

Jfc

[crisp cedar]

dota doesnt really get as many content updates as you think it does

[formal dew]

I meant any update of any size

[crisp cedar]

the updates are big and exciting yes but we had our biggest major update drought recently

still, we're eating good

and it doesnt look like the amount we'll be eating is changing any time soon

though valve's full attention is on cs

cs is at it's peakest popularity

[formal dew]

Icefrog moment

Now that steam is getting it's new ui and cs2 is a thing

Tf2 will be even further detached from the rest of their active project bases

[craggy ridge]

3 gazillion dollars

[formal dew]

morbillion

[left sand]

i really didnt see anyone outwardly hating the game here

[small siren]

*i really didnt

see anyone outwardly

hating the game here*

- mcoms

[crisp cedar]

tf2 hater was an exagerration which i expected to be taken in a comical sense

unfortunate that things didnt go the way i hoped they would

"someone who barely even touches tf2" is more accurate

[jagged pawn]

hating tf2 is when you say that the space update is probably not dropping next month

[spare obsidian]

the only thing i hate is that stray white pixel in a csgo map

[cursive peak]

There's a constant stream of "TF2 bad"

Source bad

Valve bad

[spare obsidian]

has a ex source dev, i can say source its bad when you're on the c++ side of things

oh an

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/552654148143677440/1026996422811320400/vdc_articles.gif

[left sand]

i haven't seen it, can you point to something?

[hybrid cloud]

no one here outwardly hates the game but nobody here worships it like reddit either

it's just full of people who talk about the game more than play it

like me

i doubt anything john lowrie is doing is related to tf2

if he is it might be a neat little surprise but its not like valve has made good content additions for a while

[cursive peak]

You didn't see it get called a cash grab the other day?

[spare obsidian]

what's bro doing

[cursive peak]

https://www.reddit.com/r/truetf2/comments/13r35he/down_to_watch_some_highlander_this_weekend/

[jagged pawn]

surely you don't mean this

[wild grove]

even if it was, it isn't gonna be anything big, prolly something for a taunt that will be added.

[grim parcel]

tf2 is a cash grab, gaben himself invented loot boxes and therefore gambling as a whole

[cursive peak]

Fuck off with that.

[paper sluice]

bruh

[hoary geyser]

gambling (circa 2012)

[cursive peak]

You do realize there is a point under all that, right?

[jagged pawn]

nah 👩‍🦲 goes crazy

powerful emote

[hybrid cloud]

nugget of truth in how tf2 popularized gambling and loot boxes in games

it has to be at least some kind of contributing factor

[grim parcel]

i was just shitposting tbh

[wild grove]

fifa 09 being relieved that they aren't blamed.

[grim parcel]

nah have you seen madden 04

shit was crazy

[jagged pawn]

nah madden cards were hype

being able to unbox a 5th down is hilarious

[paper sluice]

then
you're admitting hes right?

[cursive peak]

Cash grabs do not spend years in development. They're shat out quickly to capitalize on a trend.

The 20 billion Minecraft clones are cash grabs.

[paper sluice]

tf2 was also shat out quickly, the amount of leftovers in the game files is insane
they were so lazy beta gib textures are left in the game smh

i think we should kill valve

[cursive peak]

It was in development for years.

That's not "quickly"

[hybrid cloud]

feels more like an oversight

[paper sluice]

the version we got was only in development since 2005
they were also so lazy they wouldnt finish the other iterations of the game smh smh

[paper sluice]

nuh uh they also did the same with the uber textures
inexcusable

[cursive peak]

Just fuck yourself if you're not going to take this seriously.

[left sand]

that version was an iteration from the lessons learned

another company would have just released the first version

but anyways, idk the argument because it was about lootboxes

[paper sluice]

you're the one that seems to be taking this too seriously

[left sand]

why are we now discussing how long tf2 was in development for

[paper sluice]

take a breather
1,
2,
3
and go to 10

[left sand]

it's an irrelevant argument

[cursive peak]

Cash grabs are quickly thrown together things. The length of development shows it was not quickly thrown together.

[left sand]

idk, cash grabs can be released on top of existing products

[small siren]

*idk, cash grabs

can be released on top of

existing products*

- mcoms

[left sand]

in fact, that's usually how it's done

a successful product with a lot of good will

gets used to traffic a quick cash grab

[cursive peak]

The claim was that the game itself was a cash grab.

[left sand]

yes i would assume you could say that since it would be part of the game

[small siren]

*yes i would assume

you could say that since it would

be part of the game*

- mcoms

[paper sluice]

what claim
i actually dont know the only thing ive seen was getchoo making a very obvious joke

[cursive peak]

The claim that TF2 was a cash grab.

[left sand]

and is the vehicle by which the cash grab is being delivered to customers

[cursive peak]

2007 TF2 had no loot boxes.

[left sand]

but yesh it was just doing some humorous commentary

on the state of tf2 and such

2007 TF2 isn't what we have

[cursive peak]

It was not developed as a cash grab.

[left sand]

that's irrelevant

and you know that

[cursive peak]

It is not irrelevant.

[left sand]

yes it is

people are making commentary on the game, as it is now

they aren't commenting on 2007 TF2

[cursive peak]

TF2 is not like some shitty Pokemon knockoff cash grab shat out in like 6 months to capitalize on a trend.

[left sand]

again, things are not fixed like that

things change

TF2 isn't a movie, it's an evolving product

[cursive peak]

They are fixed like that.

Dismissing it as a cash grab shits on all the work put into creating it.

[left sand]

well, im sure you think that but youre not the objective reality

you dont get to decide to swear and insult everyone just because people have a different interpretation of words than you

it's kind of childish behavior

[cursive peak]

Then I guess we need to just strip TF2 of every accolade it ever received then.

[left sand]

good games can go south

bad games can also redeem themselves

that's just simple reality

[cursive peak]

Then why even maintain comfig?

[left sand]

im not agreeing with what's said

[cursive peak]

Or even do the TC2 thing?

[left sand]

im just explaining what other people are saying

[jagged pawn]

this is so funny

[left sand]

and why you shouldn't swear out on people randomly

[jagged pawn]

steamworks I need you to understand that you have intentionally misread perhaps every message sent in the past 3 days

[left sand]

stop inflaming the situation

[cursive peak]

If it's a cash grab, then we have to abandon the whole thing.

[left sand]

we dont

[cursive peak]

You ditch garbage.

[left sand]

valve can make good stuff

it just can fluctuate

theyre not infallible

[hoary geyser]

Did anyone here actually say TF2 is a bad game? The things getchoo was saying seem to be jokes

[left sand]

mhm but theyre jokes with truth in them which is what steamworks is pointing out

[next nymph]

nah I think steamworks was reading it fine: i dont agree with the swearing and stuff, but I get that its frustrating when other people are taking the piss as you're trying to have a serious conversation about something

[jagged pawn]

I don't think it's at all unreasonable to mock someone and stop taking them seriously when they've spent hours deliberately misinterpreting what an entire channel of people are saying. but I've been told to stop so this is my last message on the matter, that I am only sending because I was tagged

[cursive peak]

And I never said Valve was infallible.

[next nymph]

maybe i missed where it started but "these are ironic jokes, but in the way you make ironic jokes about beliefs you're sympathetic to" seems like an accurate read. Most people who joke about tf2 being cashgrabs and stuff will still end up answering "serious question: is valve greedy?" only one way

at the very least, most aren't gonna say "no, valve is not greedy" after joking about cashgrabs (even with an ironic attitude)

[cursive peak]

And it gets tiring seeing Valve/TF2/TF2 players always getting piled on and shat on.

[hybrid cloud]

tf2 fans are the jojo fans of video games

[grim parcel]

i just like the ragdolls

they're pretty cool

[cursive peak]

I get it. I'm fucking filth and mentally handicapped for enjoying the game.

[grim parcel]

what

[jagged pawn]

see what I'm saying

[next nymph]

this is false

[cursive peak]

Just read up all the comments about TF2 players even just in this thread.

[grim parcel]

#1072696252162117752 message

[left sand]

there was never a serious conversation

[next nymph]

that was an emotional response, not an argument. It's not misreading what other people are saying, it's just stating how steamworks is feeling about it. And again, when people are taking the piss as you're trying to make a serious point, I get it

[left sand]

the context is someone posted a meme comparing tf2 with other games which was laughably inaccurate, so someone here posted a parody

comparing tf2 to hl2

steamworks them started just saying "fuck off with that nonsense"

[cursive peak]

It was around then but not that meme specifically.

[left sand]

and other expletives

for nearly no reason

[cursive peak]

Like I've ever been shy about expletives.

[left sand]

it's just not what the tone of the conversation was reflecting

you were making a chill conversation into something way too serious

[cursive peak]

I'm also almost always serious.

[left sand]

great, but people talking about something for their own entertainment is not an invitation for you to create a serious argument about it

[cursive peak]

In other words, I just can't contribute to conversations.

[orchid sorrel]

I think we just need to all chill, it was just a simple joke post based on current events meant to get some chuckles out of people, and it just seems like the intent of the joke was misconstrued a bit.
We're all friends here who all share a similar interest in the game and I'm sure nobody has any ill-intention to cause trouble

[spare obsidian]

https://youtube.com/shorts/n90PfCri8ds?feature=share

damn i didn't know it was easy to make the sandwich from tf2

[zealous pond]

I wanna cause some trouble.

Please get back to me at your earliest convenience with some detailed notes on how I can best accomplish this.

[orchid sorrel]

naughty, naughty

[crisp cedar]

regarding the recent arguing:

[crisp cedar]

all 6 pre fortress fans about to shit themselves

[jagged pawn]

how could they do this to wolfcock

[craggy ridge]

i'm looking through the doc and the one of the guys had a fucking omori pfp lol

sanest omori player

[grim parcel]

tf2 community am i right

[mystic turtle]

Wut
Seems like you can tick this guy off way more easily than angering LowTierGod

[crisp cedar]

i havent watched this yet

ill get something big to eat today and ill watch it

and evaluate (because my opinions are correct usually)

[small siren]

*and evaluate

(because my opinions are

correct usually)*

- goofy from mcdonalds

[paper sluice]

So poetic..,,., so elegant..,,.,

[crisp cedar]

NVM!!! i got a different really long video to watch

sourcemod drama can wait

[small siren]

*NVM!!! i got

a different really long

video to watch*

- goofy from mcdonalds

[hoary geyser]

https://discord.gg/tfs2?event=1111735196388175922

this is very relevant to this channel

[crisp cedar]

dont we have a megathread for this

like 5 people have s&box access

that being said progress has been looking great

[limpid panther]

yea, i wish i had access

[paper sluice]

@craggy ridge lol

[craggy ridge]

WHY DO I HAVE A @???

[hoary geyser]

what

[paper sluice]

didnt set a display name

ig

[crisp cedar]

my display name

i mean

my @

[paper sluice]

was rayne taken or something

[crisp cedar]

yes

if i cant have @ rayne i take @ raynesex

[paper sluice]

i was gonna say why not just use an underscore thats cooler than doing an underscore

[grim parcel]

haha sex

[next nymph]

haha rayne

was sex taken or something

[paper sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/wavetro-wavetro-hq-cavefolder-gumball-cake-andy-gif-22068152

[crisp cedar]

i do this everywhere

my league accounts are called raynesex (intimidation tactic against riot fans)

[grim parcel]

league players when they are confronted with sex:

[wild grove]

If you seen the doc apparently they put a person on there because they shitposted in a discord channel and another person because they are intimidating lol

[crisp cedar]

https://twitter.com/TeamFortress/status/1529970640224018433

Team Fortress 2 (@TeamFortress)

TF2 community, we hear you! We love this game and know you do, too. We see how large this issue has become and are working to improve things.

Likes

223769

Retweets

45905

Twitter · May 26, 2022, 11:40 PM

happy anniversary

[wild grove]

damn, they've done quite a bit of bug fixes since then.

and I aint saying it as a bad thing

[zealous pond]

It is. Bugs build character.

[grim parcel]

i love how we’ve got to the point where it can be hard to tell if that’s satire or not

the tick tock meme did come out this past year though so i think it’s been great

[small siren]

*the tick tock meme did

come out this past year though so

i think it’s been great*

- getchoo

[paper sluice]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/194502

wtf

[formal dew]

🤔

[crisp cedar]

live reacting

so this part i kinda agree with

imo its not a big deal its just some dude trying to be a snarky asshole but i can understand getting offended at something like this being sent to you after someone attempted to swat and dox you

and also logged into several of your accounts

while nothing major, it shows a lack of empathy

still watching though, it could get worse

so far its something you can easily resolve with an apology/by adapting on how to speak to someone

ok hes literally just reading the doc, im gonna do that

armor discussion dispute seems minor

ill be honest theres so many fucking words in here neurodivergent this neurodivergent that

so many buzzwords

idk why this upset me

nevertheless this is just rude

like anyone would get upset at asking for help only to be met with ridicule

i wouldnt want to work with these people either

i think ive read enough, the dev team seems like a bunch of dickheads unfortunately

this letter kinda upsets me because it makes me feel pity

like perhaps im thinking the wrong way but i hate how people who are not "normal" make themselves easy victims

they ARE speaking out but i hate how they come across as pushovers

like dude im neurodivergent but i own it i dont let anyone have power over me because of it

nothing about me should matter in the grand scheme of things

idk maybe im overreacting

i just wish people were stronger

[craggy ridge]

Im going to be weaker to piss u off

[paper sluice]

[crisp cedar]

u werent doing a bad job before

with being weak

[paper sluice]

[craggy ridge]

I went sick for 1 week and lost 3 kilos

[next nymph]

damn i hope you can find them somewhere

[hybrid cloud]

i dont like the armor discussion with dead_thing where he tells him he took a little long to say what he wanted and then wolfclock tells him to suck it up when there wasnt really any malice from the former

[grim parcel]

i didn't read anything but rip pf2 man

which one was it again?

did it have the grenade rocket jump thing?

[hybrid cloud]

pf2 was the beta but not beta mod

nobody played it anyway but it was based because it replaced airblast with napalm rockets

[jagged pawn]

I think above all the problem with stuff like this is that, when you make mildly annoying behavior sound on par with actually heinous acts, you water down the whole point

like sending a monkey typewriter gif is "one of the most horrific things" you've "ever heard"?? shut the fuck up now no one cares what you have to say because this is very obviously braindead

and I'm sure there are some genuinely bad things in the video but I closed it when it chose to open with the 8 tips to stay safe online image

[paper sluice]

pf2 isn’t dead

[crisp cedar]

this person is a pushover but their concerns are valid

[grim parcel]

i mean it's not like it was alive before

and now you got google docs about it

that's like the nail in the coffin

[jagged pawn]

you say that as if anyone will care about this

[paper sluice]

All 10 active players of pf2 are shocked

[jagged pawn]

like pf2 was already dead but this doesn't affect anything

[paper sluice]

I’ve seen more activity around the discussion of this in every server but the actual public pre fortress one

I’m pretty sure it’s never been brougt up

[jagged pawn]

I've only seen it posted here

curious what other servers you've seen it talked about in

[paper sluice]

Someone posted it in tf2 emporium

But that’s all I know

[jagged pawn]

isn't that server doodoo ass

[paper sluice]

Idk

It has good resources and knowledge I never talk there

[jagged pawn]

I feel like I've met several people that have been banned for nothing, people that I consider to be good people

fair enough

but anyway like, the video doesn't even have 2k views and it's been a couple days. I really don't think it matters

pf2 will drop from 9 active players to 8

[crisp cedar]

nothing will change

idk what u guys expect

this is just a message to everyone that "hey, the pf2 devs are dicks, be careful if you want to work with them"

[paper sluice]

Hopefully the next few updates we have planned will up the player base and keep it more consistent
Cuz they’re kinda banger

[crisp cedar]

its just a person sharing their experience being part of the pf2 dev team

[paper sluice]

Yeah

[crisp cedar]

all my heroes are cornballs

[paper sluice]

Erm death grips reference???11?1?1

[crisp cedar]

banned for terrible joke

mods, get his ass

snaps fingers

[paper sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/no-more-saying-cuss-words-guys-mario-jail-gif-19710858

😢

I didn’t mean it

Do not crush my skull

[formal dew]

Fuck I was gonna post that video

[crisp cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/athena-cykes-ace-attorney-nyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-uwu-owo-gif-22195491

[grim parcel]

the original pic is from a livestream with 2k views lmao, so at the very least the same amount of people actively playing the game have seen it

[paper sluice]

Original pic?

What

[jagged pawn]

?

[grim parcel]

^

[paper sluice]

I’m still confu

[jagged pawn]

that is a screenshot of a youtube video that shows a google doc

what livestream are you referring to

[grim parcel]

that youtube video?

[paper sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-crying-gif-21453731

My brain hurts

[jagged pawn]

the video is what I was referring to as having not hit 2k views after multiple days. also that's not what livestream means

[grim parcel]

also not a livestream, meant just a video

[grim parcel]

ah mb, 1.7k

[crisp cedar]

what is the merit of this discussion

[jagged pawn]

I have no idea

[paper sluice]

Idk I was just confused

[jagged pawn]

just trying to clarify what getchoo meant lmao

anyway I think this is a really good showcase of how much presentation matters. if there are any actually valid points in the video then 90% of people will never hear them because it's so padded with meaningless and incredibly minor disagreements

I am among the 90% because like I said earlier I'm not watching lol

[crisp cedar]

ok

like i said

this person is very sensitive but their concerns are very valid

[paper sluice]

Payload is actually the perfect tf2 mode
It’s so fun

[grim parcel]

im a big upward fan

i know everyone is, but it is just such a great map

[crisp cedar]

i was reading til i got to this part and it convinced me

the rest seemed like just minor offenses that didnt seem worth thinking much over but this just makes them look bad

[jagged pawn]

yeah I made fun of this part earlier

[crisp cedar]

why

theyre definitely saying too much but thats besides the point

[jagged pawn]

monkey typewriter gif being "the most horrific thing" you've ever seen in the tf2 community is very obviously laughable

[crisp cedar]

i think you're overthinking this

[jagged pawn]

if you just mean the act itself ignoring the commentary then I'd need to see the surrounding context, like was it warranted

and it doesn't seem like they give that in most places

[crisp cedar]

your conclusion isn't "wow the pf2 devs dont seem fun to work with" but it is "wow i should do the thing that wolfclock doesnt like"

[grim parcel]

because it's "very obviously braindead"

[paper sluice]

It’s fun but I’ve played it so much it’s just like eh
I also like uhhh I can’t remember the name maybe swiftwater or something but it has the one end part that explodes and like there’s an upper and lower spawn

[jagged pawn]

like at most this doc reads like two people who were disliked within a community and are mad about that? and it's like what do you want me to do

[grim parcel]

oh no i know what you're talking about

it's not swiftwater though

fuckkk

[crisp cedar]

idk what you think theyre trying to achieve with the doc

[grim parcel]

that is a good map i can't believe i forgot the name

[paper sluice]

It’s in tf2c as a vip map and they made it nighttime to be le epic

[crisp cedar]

"Myself and many other current and former members of the dev team whom I’ve spoken to would like to share our concerns regarding how the team is being led and how many of the team leads and senior developers have behaved towards the other developers, contributors, and playtesters for the game." this was at the start of the letter

"I have not written this letter in order to call for anyone’s removal from the team. The purpose of this letter is simply to voice the concerns that I and a number of other members of the team have had with the current state of the team’s leadership. I hope that bringing these issues to light may lead to some changes for the better in the team." this was at the end of the letter

it's very clear what the intent of this was

[jagged pawn]

I think they're trying to get people to not play pf2 until they change leadership because they think they're mean. which is dumb

[crisp cedar]

i feel like you're focusing too much on how to ridicule this person instead of trying to listen to what they have to say

[jagged pawn]

they can say it's not for that all they want but if it's not for that then the letter serves zero purpose

[grim parcel]

no one is playing it anyways what would they gain

[crisp cedar]

i just sent why they wrote the letter

literally

[jagged pawn]

yeah I responded to that lmfao

[jagged pawn]

what are we doing here

[crisp cedar]

proving you wrong

[formal dew]

On a similar subject, I wonder if there were any boycotts of hammer++ bc of its creator

[jagged pawn]

they can say it's not for that all they want but if it's not for that then the letter serves zero purpose

[grim parcel]

he doesn't like that

[summer steeple]

for about 5 minutes on knockout

[crisp cedar]

how can it serve no purpose

[jagged pawn]

is the claim that the goal is, by publishing this, the devs will see the error of their ways and have their heart grow three sizes like at the end of the grinch? no? then it's to get them removed

[crisp cedar]

theyve attempted to deal with the issues privately and when nothing happened, even led to him getting kicked from the dev team

[paper sluice]

Bad water

It was bad water

[grim parcel]

oh i was thinking of that one with the super hard choke on the corner

[paper sluice]

I kept thinking goldrush cuz the last stage from bad water used to be on goldrush final in an earlier version

[grim parcel]

with the drop down thing to flank, and the little tunnel

[crisp cedar]

therefore they made a public video to warn anyone interested in contributing to pf2

it's a hail mary

theres not much they can do other than share their experience and move on

[paper sluice]

Oh that

I think that one is goldrush

[crisp cedar]

you can obviously think that it would make the pf2 devs look bad but

[jagged pawn]

I'm making two separate points that are admittedly getting diluted by each other

1. I think the goal of this doc is weird and nothing seriously bad happened
2. I think that they did a bad job of reaching their goal regardless of my thoughts on if it's a good goal

[crisp cedar]

so what

i think its perfectly fine to call out bad behavior

even if the video was made with the intent to make pf2 devs look bad

the doc was made way before the video

the video is half reading the doc and half clarification

[small siren]

*the video is

half reading the doc and half

clarification*

- goofy from mcdonalds

[crisp cedar]

i have no idea why youre hyperfocusing on literally everything else other than the story being told

you dont have anything to lose by thinking "wow this doesnt make the devs look good"

[jagged pawn]

this goes directly against what the doc says and I have no idea why you think I'm crazy for saying the doc is lying when you also think the doc is lying

[grim parcel]

i didn't think i'd see someone nicknamed "goofy from mcdonalds" win an online argument today, but it's still pretty fun

[jagged pawn]

again it's just because you keep talking about my second point, that the presentation is ass

if you want to talk about the first point then talk about it

[crisp cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBMLsFuxtIM i keep thinking about this clip daily

[jagged pawn]

because the only things I've seen you post from it are either lacking the context I would expect from a takedown or are just not actually bad

[crisp cedar]

takedown

[jagged pawn]

and it is the creator's job to convince me of this, which they have not. why is this so crazy

[crisp cedar]

HAHAHA

i love this video

hold on

[summer steeple]

quick break up the argument by posting jerma

[jagged pawn]

why are you arguing semantics. you literally just said it's to scare people off from working with them. that is a takedown. stop this

[crisp cedar]

yeah i dont want to talk about it anymore it's too much effort to attempt to convince them

what do you mean scare

[grim parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-discord-jermacord-jerma985-twitchtv-gif-26246559

[next nymph]

@crisp cedar what are your top 70 jerma moments

[crisp cedar]

if you had an awful experience at a workplace would you not want to warn someone else

if you had a terrible meal at a restaurant would you not want to warn everyone else about it

stupid

anyways

[jagged pawn]

dude

why am I still going 😭😭😭 I'm sorry I didn't directly quote you

[summer steeple]

the only opinion i have on this incident is that i think its very dumb to just fallback on smth like "i am literally neurodivergent and a minor" for every argument, which is most of what i have seen from the images in this channel

[jagged pawn]

next time I'll copy and paste your message so you have to agree with it, my fault for not accounting for that

[grim parcel]

wtf mcoms

[jagged pawn]

fr

[grim parcel]

HES GONNA DIE SOON\

[jagged pawn]

jermaphobic server

[crisp cedar]

hes not 47 but

holy shit

[next nymph]

"jerma" is a blocked term

[crisp cedar]

when i saw that video i got so scared

[hoary geyser]

jerma

[crisp cedar]

but no hes 37

[next nymph]

jerma was 47 when the video was created

[hoary geyser]

death occurs at 40

[summer steeple]

he de-aged rapidly after this video was posted in response

[grim parcel]

yeah they had to roll back a few updates after that video came out

[jagged pawn]

so am I just really bad at expressing my thoughts because I actively said this multiple times and it got shut down repeatedly

like what am I missing

[summer steeple]

i wasn't really paying attention idk

[crisp cedar]

definitely one of them is this

[jagged pawn]

this isn't even me wanting to debate about the doc anymore I just want to know what I'm doing wrong to make the people in this server think I'm being stupid, I thought I was writing clearly but obviously not

[crisp cedar]

feed him to the lions

[crisp cedar]

i felt like mentioning this was redundant

i thought it was very clear that the person writing this was someone you would need to adapt to a lot

youre not really putting yourself in their shoes

this isnt someone literally looking for an excuse to shit on someone else

that and, again, at the end of the day its not like the pf2 devs committed a crime

the most they're guilty of is just being rude

[jagged pawn]

I just think it's difficult to separate "this person is hard to work with" and "the team did not like working with this person" as relevant elements of the story. if they act like this I probably wouldn't want to work with them either, so why should I get mad at the pf2 team for feeling the same way

[crisp cedar]

that's literally it, we're not discussing murder

[summer steeple]

at the end of the day it is just tf2 community drama, which happens every other day

[crisp cedar]

all that's being revealed is that they're not nice online

[next nymph]

when is the tf2 community drama gonna be murder

[crisp cedar]

right now

[jagged pawn]

jerma killing 7 is not tf2 drama because he doesn't play anymore

[crisp cedar]

he stopped playing tf2 and look at the life he's living right now

what's stopping you

[jagged pawn]

you're right

[summer steeple]

i play tf2 once every like 2 weeks

and then i map for tf2 every day

well, nearly every day

[jagged pawn]

I'm so sorry

yeah I don't play much either but I'll definitely be back for the summer update

[summer steeple]

i chose this life

[grim parcel]

mfs after uninstalling valve’s team fortress 2:

[crisp cedar]

anyways heres probably my favorite jerma moment

he's so fucking deranged

[summer steeple]

i'm playing zelda BotW rn and just got one of the xeonblade 2 crossover items and all i can think of is jerma seeing the quest notification for it and just confusingly saying "xenoblade chronicles 2??"

[crisp cedar]

i would be confused too, that game sucks

[summer steeple]

found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gYE0FgV0co

[crisp cedar]

haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tZvwyj9hMI

i love this one

[paper sluice]

#jerma megathread

[spare obsidian]

bro's fighting on the tf2 thread, post pictures about heavy

[summer steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/sparkle-on-its-wednesday-dont-forget-to-be-yourself-jerma-slay-gif-26287606

[rare creek]

Ok lads so

My parents are getting me a used gaming pc

Which it's only 1.3k

It includes, ryzen 7 5700x and rtx 3090

With 16gb of ram

[formal dew]

Sounds good

[rare creek]

Is it overkill

Or is it the source spaghetti will win

The fight over modern hardware @formal dew

[cursive peak]

It should be fine? I've got a weaker CPU and GPU and it's fine.

[formal dew]

isn't there a maxim that more powerful hardware will always be matched by less efficient software

[radiant merlin]

with that power you should cap your fps

[zealous pond]

Better CPUs will yield higher performance in TF2.

I just upgraded from a 9900k to a 13900k and the difference is staggering.

[rare creek]

Well is the ryzen 7 5700x will do decently

On tf2

[zealous pond]

It should perform well.

[rare creek]

Just gonna need to use

The ultra preset by mastercoms

And it'll run nicr

[cursive peak]

I'm not sure there's much noticeable visual difference between high and ultra, and high is going to perform better.

[warped plume]

gabe should add comunity fixes for maps!!

[heavy solar]

@warped plume has leveled up! (15 ➜ 16)

[zealous pond]

Yes, Gabe should add them personally.

He should start by fixing the bug on Hightower where the carts move.

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480079567458140171/1112691168321482883/mm_richer.mp4

someones making a better visibility particle mod for mvm cash

i like it

[limpid panther]

talking about mvm, are you able to play on public Mann Up lobbies nowadays or do you still risk ending up in a list in some weird site because you didn't play optimally?

[spare obsidian]

they should make one for the explosions lol

[orchid sorrel]

YMMV, but I finished a few tours the past week with little issue

but I have heard reports that toxic people have been airblast griefing a lot more now, especially in 2cities

[craggy ridge]

Yk how marx basically did the equivalent of a 19th century twitter ratio against a book called the jewish question and basically told that the book was cringe and bluepilled

Do you think that if he was alive today

And really into tf2

Do you think he would make response videos to weapon reviews and shit

Yk what i mean

[jagged pawn]

no he would change his name to vaush

[next nymph]

he lives on in your heart

[crisp cedar]

it would probably be better if all the cash just had outlines around it

similar to how you have outlines of all your team members when you respawn

[summer steeple]

I went for a walk and saw a cloud that looked like the inventory image for the minigun

tf2 brainrot

[formal dew]

that reminds me

they should update all the inventory images so that primaries point right, secondaries point left, and melees point up

like destiny 2

[spare obsidian]

i mean

they really need to update the inventory server in steam

because its so dog shit to use in trades because

90% of times it refuses to show the inventory

[orchid sorrel]

engigear :  ill be back soon
engigear :  like 10 min
engigear left the game (Client Disconnect)
The Creepy Sewer Man :  where did he go??
Dr. Cactus :  idk lol

final wave of mann up broken parts

we told him to just stay afk in spawn so he gets credit for the mission

[spare obsidian]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2980032739&searchtext= didn't know some guns had unused sounds lol

https://gamebanana.com/mods/446426 more showcase videos here lol

[formal dew]

https://vxtwitter.com/TheUnusualLee/status/1662889411598581766?t=Yll_GfY9OaLMqnFE6mnbbw&s=19

[radiant merlin]

It seems that the porn addicts managed to bully the decal toggle fix creator. They deleted the submission

[crisp cedar]

bruh

[hybrid cloud]

no guys you dont get it

it is imperative for the soul of tf2 that i show porn to people unsolicited and be as obnoxious as possible about it

for without mindless harassment and deliberately making people uncomfortable, the last bastion of the old internet would be gone...

[paper sluice]

Lmao what

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/982119281124851733/1037508869687099432/this_is_fucking_awful.gif

[spare obsidian]

they're gonna bully ashe now

[formal dew]

Tf2 modders after doing anything that disturbs the horny users

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-16875499

[smoky notch]

i love this movie

[wild grove]

Or valve is adding it

[warped plume]

as in the community fixes tag for items to be implemented into maps so that the workshops maps of enhancing and fixing maps are implemented into the game therefor making the game better

[wintry marlin]

imagine if someone else just reuploaded it

[radiant merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/gus-smile-evil-do-it-go-on-gif-4790569

[wintry marlin]

code for custom decal toggle... hmm... It's not just a workshop submission with a suggestion, is it?

[radiant merlin]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4249

[spare obsidian]

i Don't think it's happening chief

[wintry marlin]

dudetheninja wrote the code... and made the og submission to the workshop as well

damn

[formal dew]

Hiding economic items is verboten in an economy driven game

[next nymph]

solution: decal tool can only apply images that exist on the steam workshop

[wintry marlin]

paid sprays 2.0

[formal dew]

paid arm skins

2.49 to get sleeveless spy

[wintry marlin]

that's one step above from paid gloves

[spare obsidian]

solution, stop playing and evolve social relation ships with other people

[wintry marlin]

evolve to crab
or return to monke

[summer steeple]

i'm working with vscript again

i gotta give credit where credit is due

when you change a model's scale, it automatically changes the bbox size

BUT

because of how its set up, you can change the bbox after the model scale, and it still works!

because you're changing the pre-scaled bbox, and then it scales it for you

i guess in theory this could cause issues if don't know this and you're trying to set the bbox based off the the post-scaled size

but i'd rather working with pre-scaled sizes and letting it do it for me

anyway, heavy is beeg now

just set it to the default mvm boss scale of 1.75

also ditching the rotating bbox for now because its too janky

much easier to just leave that on the backburner and focus on making a boss that works in everything else first, then worry about another collision method

[radiant merlin]

vac wave just dropped

player count went from 90k to 56k

[cursive peak]

Is it a confirmed wave?

[wild grove]

no, it's just during the week where kids and teens aren't playing so player numbers are lower.

[craggy ridge]

this is how you felt correcting misinformation

[wild grove]

lol

ok

[cursive peak]

Only big dip I can see on SteamDB was yesterday around when Steam maintenance hit, which always drops numbers.

[summer steeple]

the player count is noticeably lower than average tho

67k 24 hour peak is lower than the lowest player count of the past 2 weeks aside from maint

[paper sluice]

over a 3 month period

huge drop at the end lmao

[summer steeple]

i'm not gonna speculate anything, but it is noticeably lower

especially without an update which would cause bot hosters to have to update their software

[hybrid cloud]

does anyone trust teamwork.tf

because according to that the player numbers of people actually in a server havent changed

[summer steeple]

thats probably a better metric

so either the player numbers data is having some issues (on steam's end), or a bunch of accounts that had the game open (but weren't playing) are now... not?

[spare obsidian]

how do we even know those players are actually playing the game and not idling onm a server?

[summer steeple]

we don't

[hybrid cloud]

their word

i guess

[summer steeple]

the only numbers we have are people on servers (unofficially) and people with the game open (officially)

[hybrid cloud]

oh u mean steamstats

yea no steam just records anybody with the game open

[formal dew]

it was the rapture

[distant mango]

https://www.teamfortress.tv/63196/morealexi-vac-banned

[spare obsidian]

who

[paper sluice]

so true

https://tenor.com/view/se-pincharon-los-globos-amarillos-gorilla-balloon-gif-14802287

[wild grove]

Scratch that, this was potentially a huge VAC wave.

[potent wolf]

👀

[paper sluice]

only potentially

[wild grove]

The whole kids and teens thing would only make sense if the decline was gradual.

this seems super sudden.

I cant also rule out steam maintenance shenanigans.