Why?
#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year
cursive peak
left sand
it contains super awesome game which is the steam testing library, and then contains random apps which are tied to their main ones in some way
for example, seems to me like there is one for TF2
limpid panther
I disagree they are integral to the video. But I think he has a choice to leave them in. Specially in hype moments
potent wolf
asdf: asdf
limpid panther
I didn't say "mute coms all the time coms should not be part of a montage"
i said "mute coms if they are not relevant"
a reaction to the play may be relevant
potent wolf
i said "mute coms if they are not relevant"
mute mcoms 
left sand
anyways
seems like theres some sort of blog post possibly or steam update coming out today maybe
and theyve been testing stuff for a few weeks now
paper sluice
THE DEATH OF TF2 INCOMING ⁉️⁉️⁉️💪💪💪
potent wolf
soon™️
left sand
potent wolf
radiant merlin
steamdb?
potent wolf
yeah
hoary geyser
the sniper update
potent wolf
sniper runtime update
(not really, if anything they would probably update to soldier)
paper sluice
Does soldier really need an update?
I mean I guess some new weapons but he’s already fine as is tbh
spare obsidian
i bet is nothing major lol
paper sluice
Yeah
potent wolf
Does soldier really need an update?
I mean I guess some new weapons but he’s alr...
i didn't mean soldier the class
paper sluice
Ah
spare obsidian
just some house cleaning things
although i would love if valve updates the steam page images used in the TF2 page lol
paper sluice
Oh wait no it’s probably the holiday sized update or whatever they teased
Since summer is a month away
spare obsidian
"summer is near" how tf the time pass so fast
orchid sorrel
Final exam week begins 
hoary geyser
finally the TF2 exam is here
crisp cedar
i said "mute coms if they are not relevant"
wrong
orchid sorrel
radiant merlin
i hate those bright eyes appearing in fp
orchid sorrel
Yeah its a really dumb thing with the way eye glows are set up
I have a vpk that just removes the eye glows in general
spare obsidian
the fix is commically easy lol
they could use the kill streak eye glow system for it
left sand
(not really, if anything they would probably update to soldier)
sniper
why not use the latest?
potent wolf
why not use the latest?
medic
potent wolf
<:meatboy_grin:857730142427938837>
this scares me...
left sand
wild grove
VALVe actually gonna playtest stuff? Surprising.
radiant merlin
mmm i don't think that's what she means
potent wolf
testing: yes. playtesting: .
orchid sorrel
deadline passed for our MVM event submissions and we just got like 10 missions submitted in the span of a day
formal dew
College moment
limpid panther
https://youtu.be/D-1gb8f5Lts
do we know the size? this might give us some indication
orchid sorrel
does TF2C support MVM?
paper sluice
No
radiant merlin
also the quality of the sounds aren't good for some reason
paper sluice
If VSH maps gets officially accepted hopefully maybe valve will polish it up themselves and get the real saxton VA 🥹
radiant merlin
they need to add a new player condition for an all class charging effect
that make all classes scream with their voices instead of using demo's voice
also vsh devs forgot about bidwell
radiant merlin
idk in ji hale still calls bidwell
crisp cedar
ji presumably doesnt take place after mvm
summer steeple
it doesn’t
paper sluice
What’s the cannon tf2 timeline
formal dew
The real life progression of updates except that all mvm stuff is appended after everything else
crisp cedar
basically
red vs blu gamemodes take place before mvm
mvm is like the latest development in the tf2 timeline
jagged pawn
yeah it's real world order except mvm
jagged pawn
I mean we have no idea when the space update was meant to be because it never happened
invasion is the closest we're ever getting
summer steeple
i mean comic 6 was released around JI
huh i'm just realizing i never read the MyM comic
jagged pawn
that's crazy
summer steeple
but yeah idk about any evidence that would lead me to believe that comic 7 would be the space update, let alone if they were planning on working on one past asteroid's mapper leaving
summer steeple
have the files downloaded and bypass steam drm maybe? idk
radiant merlin
like a non steam version?
orchid sorrel
makes sense
craggy ridge
Uhhhh connecting the server ig
summer steeple
like a non steam version?
if you mean like orange box i don't thin you'd even be able to get to connection
orchid sorrel
summer steeple
apparently skial is now hosting a 60 player zombie escape server
and its working
which is like
what the fuck
I knew that with the vanilla server 32 was the limit, but i kinda assumed there was some issue on the clients end as well
apparently there's some issues with the killfeed showing a name as "ERRORNAME" in white text, but thats basically it
orchid sorrel
yeah rafmod allows for 120 bot slots and the same problem comes up
summer steeple
i mean bots are one thing
but players?
and i mean i know that bots are kinda just players anyway
orchid sorrel
bots slots are basically player slots yeah
we just havent really had a reason to have that many humans playing compared to bots
(or able to get that many humans playing 
)
summer steeple
i guess edict limit is just the biggest issue
serene yarrow
how tf can you even play if you don't have the game 😭
You get this error when trying to play the game with a community ban
Source: I had a 1 day community ban a few weeks ago by mistake
mystic turtle
apparently skial is now hosting a 60 player zombie escape server
no shit, fr
massive zombie nerf lmao
high current
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/112010089547780096/1103098231245774868/im...
big nice
radiant merlin
demo now has proper payload responses
i'm sure you've never heard these responses before
now only pyro and engi lacks responses
for pyro it will be easy, but for engi... damn
I wonder why valve didn't make payload responses for engi
high current
Did the voice lines already exist?
radiant merlin
yes but they never played
also for some reason this scout response never plays
the vcd file isn't missing
high current
Weird they just weren’t made to play. Cool you made them play
left sand
these are the most popular maps in TF2
i think people need to realize that ctf and payload are the most popular gamemodes, even though they get hated on a lot
they're just what TF2's identity is to most people
not 5cp
jagged pawn
wait who hates on payload
paper sluice
ive heard ctf hate butnever payload hate
payload is like the best gamemode tho
left sand
I'm talking mostly from a competitive mindset
paper sluice
ah
jagged pawn
even b4nny says it's his second favorite mode
left sand
people hate on payload in a 6s context
or even highlander
because they say being tied to the kart is bad somehow
even though it fixes many problems with 5cp
jagged pawn
I suppose but I think everyone agrees it's fun casually. it's the mode I think of when I think of tf2 personally, and it's not even my favorite one
left sand
Yeah
paper sluice
i wonder what 6s players think about trade gameplay
left sand
I'm just saying though, A/D, CTF and Payload (none of which are played normally in Comp)
are the most popular modes
jagged pawn
and obviously ctf is simply not viable competitively (in its current state. I think it could be)
left sand
I just think that's yet another disconnect between comp and casual
I think CTF is fine
jagged pawn
6s trade plaza would be hype so true
cursive peak
At least HL plays A/D and PL.
left sand
Not as much as koth
jagged pawn
yeah 5cp and koth dominate all forms of competitive
jagged pawn
can't agree on koth at all
limpid panther
I suppose but I think everyone agrees it's fun casually. it's the mode I think o...
Yea, the sentiment I get is the same
everyone knows it's fun to play casually
paper sluice
is this based on all servers in community or
cursive peak
At least last season, RGL was alternating between KotH and PL/A/D.
jagged pawn
it's tf2 boiled down to its bare essentials and there's enjoyment in that
5cp definitely has its problems tho
limpid panther
and that experiences with it competitively were painful in the past
jagged pawn
very difficult to get things flowing which is why they have to ban so many weapons just to make it playable
left sand
At least last season, RGL was alternating between KotH and PL/A/D.
Thats good!
cursive peak
left sand
paper sluice
why did the use such a monochrome scheme
orchid sorrel
player destruction 
jagged pawn
payload being by far the most popular mode isn't at all surprising
left sand
cursive peak
CTF was pretty unfun in HL when I had to play it.
jagged pawn
I wish ctf was lower tho
left sand
I dont think CTF works in HL for sure
jagged pawn
and that payload race was higher
left sand
but I honestly think CTF is fine in 6s
orchid sorrel
CTf is often used as a TDM mode, which is why I think its so popular
since you can play at ur own pace
jagged pawn
more payload race maps please valve
paper sluice
yeah
paper sluice
is this based on all servers in community or
.
jagged pawn
CTf is often used as a TDM mode, which is why I think its so popular
I mean yeah but they should just add a tdm mode (player destruction) to the main rotation
left sand
I wonder, what if in comp, there was a CTF mode which was like
jagged pawn
I think it's all community servers yes
orchid sorrel
I mean yeah but they should just add a tdm mode (player destruction) to the main...
ya thats why i hope theres at least one PD map for summer
jagged pawn
I think if you want a comp mode with a flag you just need to expand special delivery. the bones of that fit comp way better
orchid sorrel
theres a non halloween version of monster bash and it looks rly good
jagged pawn
ehhhhh
jagged pawn
theres a non halloween version of monster bash and it looks rly good
oh yeah atom smash is sick
cursive peak
I think if you wanted CTF to work in 6s, you'd just need to ban Heavy and Engie entirely.
left sand
basically gives a huge risk reward to capping
jagged pawn
there's also well made pd versions of 2fort and hightower on the workshop which I think should definitely be considered given:
- those are the two most popular maps in the game
- people already treat them as tdm maps anyway
behold, competitive capture the flag! https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Doomsday
left sand
i dont think SD is a good mode
cursive peak
Turbine Pro exists.
jagged pawn
no one uses it because it's still bad lol
left sand
I think turbine is a good map unironically
jagged pawn
ain't no way
hybrid cloud
koth isn't good because there are no good koth maps
orchid sorrel
left sand
like at a 6s level, its small enough but has enough good routes to make combat interesting
cursive peak
Turbine Pro is at least a significant upgrade over stock Turbine.
cursive peak
Banana makes such a huge difference.
hybrid cloud
chaos is overrated
jagged pawn
I mean you have the right to your opinion but surely you know that most people consider turbine to be the worst game mode's worst map
cursive peak
As well as the duct rework.
orchid sorrel
i miss being able to play banana bay with real players
left sand
turbine is one of the most played maps
jagged pawn
chaos is definitely overrated, not even that creator's best ctf map
orchid sorrel
cursive peak
2fort is significantly worse than Turbine.
cursive peak
Trash for playing CTF seriously.
jagged pawn
koth isn't good because there are no good koth maps
unironically this is at least partially true. I will say tho cascade is sick as hell
left sand
but arguably, its the most TF2 map/experience you can have
orchid sorrel
i find it very strange that 2fort_invasion is in misc maps pool
small sirenBOT
orchid sorrel
when its literally just 2fort with pumpkins
left sand
because it needs to be non-default
orchid sorrel
would b cool if it was part of the halloween queue
left sand
that would make kinda sense but then there'd be 2 queues for it on halloween
and then the matchmaker would blow up
(probably)
orchid sorrel
misc maps are basically impossible to get matches going, so they could prob just remove it from the normal queue
i think every time I try to queue for invasion it takes like an hour and its a bot match
left sand
snowplow works occasionally
same for hydro
i think its like, i add it as a treat
if i get into it, then its going to be good
thats basically how i use matchmaking, queue for every map id be fine with playing
which is basically everything except breadspace
cursive peak
The Furry Pound does still have Hydro in rotation and it does come up.
orchid sorrel
I remember trying to do my medieval contract recently
I finished an entire expert decoy map before getting a match
left sand
and then i remove the popular maps which always get matched, like 2fort, double cross, and harvest
oh map specific contracts are just dead
hybrid cloud
i played hydro a couple times and it was basically impossible to end the game
left sand
for sure
hydro is fine but i got weird bugs recently ive never seen before
where i was just trapped in random areas or spawned in the wrong area
orchid sorrel
ive heard about that
left sand
i think if tf2 supported 256 players, hydro would be good
orchid sorrel
there was a time where I would queue for mannpower
cursive peak
Hydro is just a worse 5CP.
orchid sorrel
the dominator change rly burned me out tho
jagged pawn
hydro is so funny
left sand
i would love a planetside 2 version of TF2
jagged pawn
I feel like they were trying to do like, multistage control points, like how there's multistage attack/defend maps
left sand
wheres its just persistent gameplay in a large map
jagged pawn
but it just doesn't function
cursive peak
Hydro is literally 5CP where everyone goes back to spawn every point capture.
left sand
hydro made more sense in like the 2010 to 2012 era of tf2
and probably the 2007 to 2009 era
where more people played engi
orchid sorrel
hydro has a really nice artpass
left sand
i remember back then, hydro was just stalemates
which made the 2cp make sense
but now its just like
you pretty much instacap the point
jagged pawn
lol yeah
left sand
because of rollouts and stuff
people are just better at some of the fast paced momentum classes
limpid panther
I finished an entire expert decoy map before getting a match
I just leave medieval mode ticked on my saved matchmaking query,
it never gets through, but when it does it's a nice surprise
jagged pawn
were you born yesterday
I think so
craggy ridge
(vigil is goated ❤️ )
limpid panther
were you born yesterday
I never see people hating on payload either
radiant merlin
people playing in ctf maps aren't playing ctf, but dm
craggy ridge
people playing in ctf maps aren't playing ctf, but dm
the only good ctf dm map is literally the least popular one
craggy ridge
tf is that
radiant merlin
ctf but faster
craggy ridge
what is that supposed to mean
radiant merlin
the flags are closer to the center
spare obsidian
heh i think turbine could have use the rather obscure (and somehow non finished ui wise) neutral flag mode
(by unfinished i mean that most of the its notifications are show with text on-screen)
craggy ridge
not a bad idea
radiant merlin
like kotf?
spare obsidian
sort off, neutral ctf is basically one flag with no team assigned to it, you need to deliver it to your base
craggy ridge
if ctf had like a flag that spawns near mid and gives whichever team captures it a point that would be cool
spare obsidian
you could be more spicier by applying tfc CTF rules
where you need to bring the flag to the oposite team
i just wish neutral mode was not unfinished in a sense that there's no proper in-game notifications (basically all notifs are center text) and there's not any announcer voice lines
paper sluice
yeah the ctf in mid where you have to cap at the opposite team's base is fun
played in if pf2
radiant merlin
i just wish neutral mode was not unfinished in a sense that there's no proper in...
i'm sure you could recreate it with vscript
spare obsidian
that reminds me i really need to stop being a slacker and remake the rather old left over tfc flag models left in the game files
i have an idea for a medieval theme ctf map
cursive peak
There's ctf_haarp where you have to basically deliver the intel to capture points. There's also Vitalism/Haunt where you bring the intel to the middle of the map to cap, and you can't cap if the other team has your flag.
craggy ridge
@limpid panther i'm renaming my degreaser after you
orchid sorrel
what skin and effect
jagged pawn
where you need to bring the flag to the oposite team
this is pass time
lean cove
I finished an entire expert decoy map before getting a match
thats weird i get those matches p quickly
craggy ridge
what skin and effect
idk i have dxlevel81
lean cove
how much did u pay for that damn
craggy ridge
mcoms gave me
spare obsidian
this is pass time
yeah but in pass time you have to carry a lame ass ball
craggy ridge
I would never write something this lame for a weapon's description
this is pure gibberish
none of these words are in the bible
craggy ridge
this is pure gibberish
if we are saying nonsense might aswell throw the (non)word "tariff" in there
orchid sorrel
idk i have dxlevel81
u can see via ur steam inventory
paper sluice
I would never write something this lame for a weapon's description
chat can we put coms in a psych ward
craggy ridge
u can see via ur steam inventory
dude this powerjack is so fucking weird lmao i love it
left sand
chat can we put coms in a psych ward
it was like that when i bought it 😭
paper sluice
uh huh
orchid sorrel
i bought a botkiller minigun that was renamed "gun from the helicopter in the matrix" from the SCM
another good one i got off SCM
left sand
how much did u pay for that damn
#announcements📰 message
lean cove
i forgot
limpid panther
<@132103076269129728> i'm renaming my degreaser after you
hot
heavy solarBOT
@limpid panther has leveled up! (47 ➜ 48)
limpid panther
if ctf had like a flag that spawns near mid and gives whichever team captures it...
isnt that basically special delivery?
summer steeple
i forgot that i got #2 in this years gigglefest
altho now that i remember that I also remember that i originally scored lower and then coms put me higher I assume after re-evalutating
pudding deserved it tho
formal dew
Nice job
paper sluice
These old designs look uncanny
Cuz like I’m so used to the normal ones we got
Lvl 1 and lvl 2 would have blended in visually a shit ton
paper sluice
Kinda
The barrels for lvl 2 are in the middle, same with lvl 3
And they don’t have the ammo belts and wires
And both keep the hull from lvl 1
(Unrelated)
TF2C’s decision to make pyros mobility option a shotgun was really smart now that I think of it
Cuz like in live his mobility options are flareguns which are already powerful with their range by itself, but on top of the mobility for the detonator and scorch makes them really good
While in tf2c you have the choice between the high damage of the flare gun from long range, or the shotgun that isn’t good at long ranges but is really effective up close and the mobility benefit
That way it’s more of a choice between which one you use, each dealing with pyros weakness’ in different ways rather than one being better than the other definitively, or being so niche that it’s only good in specific scenarios
tl;dr flare gun helps pyros range weakness by giving him range, the tf2c jump shotgun (idk the name) helps pyros range weakness by making him even more effective up close
high current
These old designs look uncanny
Looks like there is more mechanical explaination for how the sentry upgrades. Though in hindsight I've never seen a senty upgrade in slomo, so maybe that happens in live too.
paper sluice
it happens sorta but is even more impossible to do
paper sluice
It’s called the femboy pyro
formal dew
iirc that one was the fempyro with the chest bone at the min value
summer steeple
least horny fempyro model
left sand
it was like definitive fempyro or reworked fempyro
as if they didnt know the whole point of the others was that
summer steeple
no way
fr tho i find the idea of fem pyro models so stupid because you can tell that the suit is kind of baggy anyway
like there is plenty of room for pyro's body in there, no matter what their chest looks like
cursive peak
People just want a mommydom Pyro who punishes them with the Scorch Shot.
orchid sorrel
cursive peak
"Scorch me harder, mommy!"
cursive peak
And then they feel disgusted with themselves after saying that and go on reddit/YouTube to complain about the Scorch Shot.
slender nexus
what's the name of this fan made model
the flame broiled snack 😋
hybrid cloud
personally i want pyro dead
slender nexus
personally i want pyro dead
hybrid cloud
im sorry master i failed my mission...
spare obsidian
i hope your steam library gets arrested
summer steeple
got a funny stomp on the tf2m server today on pl_phoenix
sidenote, I think phoenix is my new favorite map
it looks and plays so damn well
it is like
flawless
its currently the trending map on the workshop and it deserves it
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
if it doesn't get into the update i'm gonna cry
craggy ridge
the flame broiled snack 😋
I searched that up thinking it was actually the model's name......
crisp cedar
pyro is a trans icon
mystic turtle
so, uh, I saw this being brought up sometimes
and I was wondering
isn't the reason why you can't dual wield a sandwich and a shotgun that it would make Heavy way too mobile and would help him heal too much
smoky notch
it's because they're both secondaries
radiant merlin
got a funny stomp on the tf2m server today on pl_phoenix
dem to replay?
formal dew
I believe people would want heavy to get a pda slot for food
Or for more fun
Give him 2 secondary slots
16 family business shots
dual wield bananas
crisp cedar
let him unequip his pda slot for +50% reserve secondary ammo
slender nexus
let him unequip his pda slot for +50% reserve secondary ammo
unequipping his pda also allows engineer to kiss men because his personal display of affection slot is unoccupied
craggy ridge
so, uh, I saw this being brought up sometimes
and I was wondering
isn't the reas...
No
No need to try to find flawed logical reasoning on valve's arbitrary actions
formal dew
Valve didn't expect food items to completely displace guns
high current
Idk, there’s a reason there no “meet the shotgun” video.
formal dew
It was a quick realization
summer steeple
dem to replay?
no they store STV demos so i just downloaded that
summer steeple
honestly its entirely possible that deadline was for new content, not for fixes
radiant merlin
it's not like they are gonna stop adding fixes after the summer update
paper sluice
ik but i wanna see it used now,,.,
radiant merlin
this one is very complete but i think valve ain't gonna add this
because they want the original submission to be updated instead
which i doubt it will happen
formal dew
alternate timeline where valve stays in new zealand and acquires weta
small sirenBOT
craggy ridge
valve fixed the original's reload sound by making it awful and yet refuses to unshit blue scout's pants
potent wolf
the quake rl sound is better
potent wolf
lol
craggy ridge
and satisfying to hear
summer steeple
well, its only used in tf2 rather than made for it but i get what you mean
paper sluice
nuh uh
he literally made tf2
i said so
without phong there is no tf2
mat_phong 0 uninstalls the game
slender nexus
https://twitter.com/Rattapoom_K/status/1653809795311480832
left sand
he made tf2
he made literally every game. without the phong shading model we wouldn't really have a good model for lighting
left sand
like even PBR is the same lighting model except it integrates micro facets
jagged pawn
so, uh, I saw this being brought up sometimes
and I was wondering
isn't the reas...
I have no idea what this means heavy would still be the slowest class in the game regardless of dual wielding and it wouldn't affect your healing output because who isn't already using sandviches
slender nexus
DUAL WIELD!"
"dude don't hit the camera"
summer steeple
ok has anyone ever experienced tf2 randomly boosting volume to like 3x volume for a few seconds and then randomly fixing itself
because i think i legitamately will have to stop playing tf2 until i can fix this
it wasn't happening yesterday and now it is
this issue has persisted through a game restart
radiant merlin
ok has anyone ever experienced tf2 randomly boosting volume to like 3x volume fo...
YES
it happened to me several times
it's like all sounds duplicate for a moment
jagged pawn
windows moment
summer steeple
it's like all sounds duplicate for a moment
for me its not even a moment, its like for 15-30 seconds at a time
I'm hoping restarting my pc fixed it
if it did, i'm going to assume that cosmic radiation corrupted windows' audio shit
which is still weird because it was ONLY happening in tf2
nope, not fixed
I just like
don't know what changed
last night i played tf2 and it was fine
I then recorded some footage from a demo using the ingame recording shit
and then shut down my pc and went to bed
I did some mapping stuff today but wasn't in the game enough to notice if this bug was here
and then started playing tf2 and its bugged
no windows update, the only console commands i've used relating to audio is voice_modenable
i feel like i'm losing my mind
even in itemtest i feel like sounds are just... louder
formal dew
One time I felt like all the sounds in tf2 were slowed down
mystic turtle
I have no idea what this means heavy would still be the slowest class in the gam...
I dunno, there seems to be this belief that the healing sources should always be Engie or Med
Then again, it's not like Heavy can heal as much as everyone else, the Sandwich has considerable cooldown vs Mad Milk and a good Soldier can fill the Conch quicker than either of them
Maybe I just need to think out of the box more
(This could also buff Fat Scouts by giving them a healing source, so expect them running around 2fort, eating two Scout meatshots, and then undoing it all with a Banana)
Iwazaru, your silliness amuses me.
jagged pawn
if the suggestion is that fat scouts would change in any significant way then lol
like they would get a buff obv but they would retain their status as an "intentionally playing badly" subclass on par with trolldier
mystic turtle
Yup
I've already learned from hours of shitting around with shotguns as Pyro, Scout, and Engie that running one that isn't a scattergun fulltime is generally worse
I mean, Trolldier is even better at least, he has better damage output
This could be interesting
I main the BFB anyway when playing Scout, so it's not like I'm averse to making a terrible alternate playstyle somewhat more viable
jagged pawn
bro
mystic turtle
?
jagged pawn
why are you doing that to yourself
mystic turtle
At first, I was like, "Oh, this'll train me to play flank scout very cautiously"
Then, I realized how I can harness the speed to surprise people with odd flanks and such
It's frickin addicting to pick someone and then get my ass out of there near-instantly
I've even got killing sprees with it
Then again, I play on 2fort too much
So I need more practice with it
But I'd consider myself as having adapted to it
I've even taken my BFB to somewhat crowded Turbine matches on Valve servers with average K/D ratios, so that's something
I have to practice more before I can brandish that thing in a Payload map tho
left sand
like they would get a buff obv but they would retain their status as an "intenti...
trolldier is good though
high current
Give scout the widowmaker
craggy ridge
I dunno, there seems to be this belief that the healing sources should always be...
theres no reason for valve not to make lunchboxes a 4th slot for heavy and have shotguns only in the 2nd slot
that changes very little in heavy gameplay and kills the huge difference between shotguns and lunchboxes
tacit flare
Give scout the widowmaker
Give Demo a glock and Spy a shotgun.
craggy ridge
Give scout the widowmaker
i wonder if widowmaker scout would be op considering that scout has half as much metal as engi
probably yes still
hybrid cloud
you get like 3 shots max
but you also have actual mobility
so, idk
i think it would only work if youre kinda cracked at scout
high current
It'd be harder to reliably land shots as scout. But that being said, average scout acc tends to be ~60% in 6s and 70% is very achievable. But yeh only having 3 shots to begin with would be sketchy.
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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2799842982&searchtext=
idk, this look good tbh
crisp cedar
hell no
too modern looking
too many sharp edges
i mean
too many just
its just too modern
it doesnt fit
crisp cedar
this kind of ui would be fine on literally any game though
it just doesnt suit tf2
cry more
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idk fam you're the one crying here
crisp cedar
they even get rid of the background image with the map on it
so lame
so modern epic
get that shit out of here!
crisp cedar
idk fam you're the one crying here
#1072696252162117752 message
spare obsidian
every tf2 fan is a cry baby
crisp cedar
why not
spare obsidian
for real too, that ui could get some changes
crisp cedar
i'm here because i have a good amount of people i can call friends
there's one tf2 channel and like 10 channels that aren't about tf2
paper sluice
~~for real too, that ui could get some changes~~
the ui could definitely be updated but not like this
loses all personality
spare obsidian
lets go back to the 2007 menu
potent wolf
there's one tf2 channel and like 10 channels that aren't about tf2 <:trollfig:93...
what would you do if the dota megathread got deleted
crisp cedar
it can use an overhaul but this looks like they just want the game ui to look like other games
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THAT'S A GOOD UI
crisp cedar
what would you do if the dota megathread got deleted <:trollfig:9381544424847771...
i would weep for i would have no hyperfixation dump
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2007 menu > today menu
paper sluice
THAT'S A GOOD UI
this is the 2007 menu :trol;
slender nexus
oh no the "old is god new is bad" squad is here
crowbcat would like to know your location
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crisp cedar
lmao i was just booting into the game
cuz
i have the 2007 main menu installed
ohwell
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and the last one its broken in 4:3 lol
crisp cedar
DUDE
I REALIZED
WHATS SO WRONG WITH THE UI
this shit look like pop! os
that's what bothered me
holy fuck
paper sluice
crisp cedar
the font and the rounded corners
paper sluice
this shit look like pop! os
crisp cedar
if you own the mr beast skin you deserve bad things that happened to you
spare obsidian
i wonder why you can't create a discussion here
paper sluice
if you own the mr beast skin you deserve bad things that happened to you
😨
it wasnt me
crisp cedar
this is fine
could be more tf2ified but this is fine
this shit sucks though
couldnt make this look any less not tf2 if u tried
i also feel like the square boxes dont fit
looks weird
hoary geyser
what is this
spare obsidian
it should use the good old buttons color
paper sluice
crisp cedar
BRO
paper sluice
what is this
bad ui
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i'm not sure how can you copyright a shape lol
crisp cedar
flat background looks kinda boring though
id prefer there be a live background
like the 2fort spawn or something
crisp cedar
ideally it would be dynamic
yes
you can
its possible to load in a map in a map
thats how dota does a lot of things very seamlessly
ideally if tf2 got a source 2 port like csgo did, if you were ingame already
like in a map, the background for the loadout would be your team's spawn room
crisp cedar
cuz the flat background is lame and very vgui
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s2 really needs another stylized game that's not dota 2
crisp cedar
fuck vgui
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hoary geyser
some of it is nice
crisp cedar
idk i hate the font us
hoary geyser
but yeah it doesn't really fit tf2
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tf2 fans when they ignore the other tf2 fonts
crisp cedar
this is nice i guess
crisp cedar
tf2 fans when they ignore the other tf2 fonts
but why replace fonts that already work
paper sluice
the idea is cool
execution makes me spork
crisp cedar
the backpack ui has fonts that work just fine already
you can argue people will get used to it but i feel like changing the fonts for the sake of looking 'modern' is just lame
paper sluice
crisp cedar
and inconvenient
again, font
but i welcome filters
they need that shit
id love for there to be an option to tick between pages and scrolling
this is cool
spare obsidian
they really need to bring panorama since this shit ain't gonna work under vgui
lol
i prefer removing my liver than using vgui code wise
crisp cedar
keep the old contracker ui
id keep the old janky contracker because it has personality
a touchpad device that also has dials and knobs like a spytech tool
cuz this is just battle pass
dont fucking put a battle pass in tf2
hoary geyser
there still needs to be some 60's aspects
crisp cedar
im cool with it on dota but dont put one on tf2
crisp cedar
idk what this is im guessing they made this feature up
left sand
and its going to be great
left sand
and ill make it in dota 2 panorama
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dota 2 is the only game where you can make panorama edits
crisp cedar
really fucking wide line
option to the left, your choice to the right
i hate that shit
unnecessary
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idk, its just the option section you don't really eye candy menu for it lol
is not like you would stare to it all day lol
crisp cedar
it's not about it looking good
i just hate having to look to the left of my screen and then to the right
like, look at this
this is the best hotkeys menu ever
left sand
csgo though
crisp cedar
the best video options ever
crisp cedar
csgo though
they did it again for cs2 😭
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i mean people also complains about that lol
left sand
💀
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having literally a literally one single windows for every single setting to existence
crisp cedar
one thing i wish
people let you did more is
not use sliders
and just input a value manually
because i fucking hate sliders
i try to put everything on 70% for volume
and one gets stuck at 69%
and my ocd kicks in
i need it to be 70%
i try to increase it but it becomes 71%
left sand
i wish people would just open a window with a text editor
crisp cedar
shit makes me so mad
small sirenBOT
left sand
with all the cfg options
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european games be like:
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i bean having sliders nad manual inputs is best of both worls lol
crisp cedar
imagine if tf2 had an advanced options thingy like this
instead of having me scroll like 50 pages
and have me get lost in the options, trying to find the option i want to tick
just put all of this shit in one page
formal dew
that's because the adv options is just a regular options box with a fancy coat of paint
crisp cedar
i hate scrolling
left sand
imagine if tf2 had settings
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imagine if gamers didn't existed
formal dew
all settings were removed in the matchmaking update
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promedian game journalist be like
"why this game feels so bad?"
idk sometimes i feel like some changes where made for accessibility purposes
crisp cedar
like what
craggy ridge
unnecessary
for a whole second I thought that said "Team Fortress 2 Cracker"
craggy ridge
imagine if tf2 had an advanced options thingy like this
imagine if tf2 had an advanced options thingy like this 😍
summer steeple
honestly I think tf2's hud probably could use a modernization update, but i'm not sure what direction you could take the hud in for one
aside from just consistency and QoL
craggy ridge
simply add a "tactical hud" option
^ and add my hud because my hud is cool and epic 😎
it's finished btw i will upload it to masterhud.com when i get the courage to do so
spare obsidian
simply remove hud, no hud for y'all
craggy ridge
literally animal farm
summer steeple
i'm just trying to brainstorm what a more modern tf2 hud could look like but i can't think of anything
formal dew
has someone made a hud that's just the default hud but there are no white borders around any hud elements
That might freshen it up
craggy ridge
i have a rooted hate for default hud
spare obsidian
i feel like the community would just whine about any change that's objectively better for the sake of it :/
summer steeple
person who has only played tf2 with a custom hud
craggy ridge
person who has only played tf2 with a custom hud
I think I spent a good 2k hours with default
idk it's just not that practical, i'd like more games to put important info closer to the center of your screen
summer steeple
I mean it makes sense
less space taken up near the center of the screen means less stuff that can be blocked by it
there's usually less stuff in the corner of the screen in games, so hud in the corners works
craggy ridge
less space taken up near the center of the screen means less stuff that can be b...
more hud element readability is better usually
spare obsidian
imagine a world where the community get its shit together to make tf2 better without complaining nor insulting
craggy ridge
what does that even mean
i get so confused when people say "what if the community took over" that has so many interpretations
spare obsidian
it has many interpretations because could mean 3 things
- tf2 gets better
- tf2 doesn't change at all
- tf2 dies
craggy ridge
it has many interpretations because could mean 3 things
it has many interpretations because the entire sentence is incredibly vague
summer steeple
more hud element readability is better usually
I mean personally i do prefer health and ammo near the center, but I think its unlikely games will ever do it
craggy ridge
when you say "imagine a world where the community get its shit together" what does that mean
formal dew
every tf2 fan joins the great hivemind under prophet newell
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lol
tacit flare
imagine a world where the community get its shit together to make tf2 better wit...
Just a dream. An impossible reality.
The TF2 community when people don't want to be forced to see porn and gore on objectors.
formal dew
ive never seen porn on objectors
summer steeple
how
potent wolf
WHAT
formal dew
i have seen two swastikas tho
potent wolf
how
formal dew
ive seen anime stuff but not porn tmk
ive had some "fun" experiences in official comp
craggy ridge
i've seen more porn in objectors than in pornhub
tacit flare
There's also this gem from Uncletopia.
formal dew
once i did a comp match for shits and giggles and matched with the angriest person ive ever seen in a live game
would not stop screaming about the vaccinator
but instead of -nator it was always
ALWAYS
the n word
summer steeple
There's also this gem from Uncletopia.
most sane tf2 player
formal dew
next match he was on the opposite team as me so i killed him several times at least
tacit flare
most sane tf2 player
The only winning move is not to play.
formal dew
There's also this gem from Uncletopia.
people will write 2000 word essays over not being able to say the n word
hoary geyser
I have to do the objective and I can't say slurs? literally 1637
summer steeple
"oh no i got banned from a server because i had the n-word on my strange scattergun literally 1984"
craggy ridge
dude i had a comp teammate
rent to me for like 10 minutes
because he got banned from a pug server
because his scattergun was named "Hi jew"
He said he was jewish so he could repeatedly make anti-semitic jokes
summer steeple
i hate that mindset so much
"i'm something so i can make extremely offensive jokes related to what I am because of the fact that i am that thing"
like
no
the people who see that shit don't know you
and did not consent to seeing that shit
formal dew
reeducation gulags for gamers under the next biden administraton
summer steeple
i hope
tacit flare
Though all of this can be blamed on Valve's apathy and unwillingness to moderate their servers.
summer steeple
yeah true
summer steeple
(they never really moderated it even when they did care)
spare obsidian
There's also this gem from Uncletopia.
imagine getting mad because you get banned from a server for having the n word and saying its over because of it lol, its ironic this dude skipped the fact that bots when they where first appearing started to spam slurts in chat
summer steeple
waaaaah my free speech waaaaaah let me say slurs waaaaah
tacit flare
It just baffles me so much that a game that on the regular gets 100,000+ players is treated so poorly.
formal dew
50% of conservatism is based on unrestrained omnicidal impulses towards all life on earth and 50% is based on a desire to say the n word without consequences
spare obsidian
not to be a downer but sometimes we shouldn't trust on steam stadistics for tf2
formal dew
there's less than 20k real players
summer steeple
i doubt that
summer steeple
that sounds more right
left sand
this has been true for p much for about a decade
formal dew
Oh nice
spare obsidian
if we remove bots and traders out of the picture how many real players tf2 has?
🤔
tacit flare
Even if it only was 20,000 players. That's still 20,000 players lol.
left sand
quake champions has 600 players
formal dew
oof
summer steeple
it is important to remember that the reason it feels like there's so many bots is because they get kicked nearly instantly, so they just move onto the next server
spare obsidian
it is important to remember that the reason it feels like there's so many bots i...
or the same server the next day
since getting banned from a valve server is like
a 24 hours ban
summer steeple
82 people in queue, per region
true but also console
and of course players already in a game
summer steeple
ah i see
tacit flare
Imagine if Valve did such basic things as.. Updating the default launch options.
formal dew
tf2 could have 5,000 or 250,000 players but it wouldnt affect internal support for the game
summer steeple
the launch options?
people tend to use some of that stuff
so its better to not just force disable it
formal dew
starting at 720p and 54 viewmodel fov are somewhat wack
left sand
remove valve head by default
tacit flare
Sorry, by launch options I mean what Borealis said. 720p, 54 Viewmodel and max volume.
summer steeple
ah
left sand
maybe smissmas or scream fortress
there will be some focus on the new player experience
formal dew
🙏
tacit flare
there will be some focus on the new player experience
The holiday sized updated sized update.
I still want to know what was going through their heads at Valve when they changed the announcement on the website and thought no one would notice.
formal dew
Someone at valve being cheeky without realizing tf2 fans will analyze every iota of what valve says
potent wolf
Better to disappoint redditors now than when the update comes out 🤷♀️
formal dew
reddit moment
The fact that valve is gonna reimplement every fix that they accept from the workshop themselves doesn't make me hopeful that there will be an adequate volume of actual fixes
tacit flare
Better to disappoint redditors now than when the update comes out 🤷♀️
Which is fine but.. they could have just made another announcement clarifying the situation. That would have gone down far better, if just disappointing.
summer steeple
jsut valve things™️
spare obsidian
Better to disappoint redditors now than when the update comes out 🤷♀️
that's the best part
summer steeple
don't talk ever or else you get lynched
tacit flare
don't talk ever or else you get lynched
Don't talk ever or else you get lynched.
Don't talk ever and hype/expectation gets insane then never release anything.
crisp cedar
the only one responsible for handling disappointment is you
spare obsidian
this lmfao
summer steeple
Like i get the idea behind "don't promise things because we might change our minds"
crisp cedar
unless you have a stake in it
summer steeple
but jesus christ that doesn't mean "don't talk ever"
crisp cedar
like if you paid money for something
tacit flare
Wait.. what was that bot?
formal dew
tf2 indirectly has had an immeasurably large effect on my life but everyones gotta be a realist about it
potent wolf
Wait.. what was that bot?
ignore it
summer steeple
Wait.. what was that bot?
monkey
formal dew
Monke
crisp cedar
should i try to p rank pizza tower levels or play disco elysium
formal dew
disco
paper sluice
pizza tower
summer steeple
i cook-a da pizza
crisp cedar
wtf is the thing
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@grim parcel caught in 4k
crisp cedar
i cook-a da pizza
tacit flare
Ligma?
crisp cedar
i cook-a da pizza
formal dew
anti italian discrimination
spare obsidian
watch this magick
paper sluice
troleld
grim parcel
it wasnt iwazaru lmfao
crisp cedar
spare obsidian
tf2 fans when they make valve for real abandon the game (we did it we save tf2!)
tacit flare
Honestly at this point, Valve should pull the plug on casual and return to quickplay.
spare obsidian
Honestly at this point, Valve should pull the plug on casual and return to quick...
quickplay has its own set of issues too iirc
crisp cedar
tf2 fans doing nothing their entire life but coming up with ideas valve will never implement
spare obsidian
back in the day there was dramas about servers not getting recommended on quickplay
crisp cedar
tf2 fans on their way to play abandonware
cursive peak
Go back to pre-QuickPlay. Let the server browser rule them all.
grim parcel
honestly at this point, valve should pull the plug on tf2 and return to dota
tacit flare
honestly at this point, valve should pull the plug on tf2 and return to dota
Dota, Dota, Counterstrike?
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day of defeat
crisp cedar
no
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hl2mp
tacit flare
ricochet 2?
summer steeple
i don't think valve will ever pull the plug because it makes money
crisp cedar
also yeah
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rayne don't try to talk about dota outside of its propper thread challenge
crisp cedar
tf2 fans on their way to incentivize valve to do nothing by buying their cases
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grim parcel
yeah valve invented video game gambling
like remember that h3h3 video from 2015?
csgolotto
crisp cedar
i think the tf2 trading system is by far the best thing
maybe not the best best but i like it
theres an entire fucking economy
with currency!
all of the nft nerds should just trade tf2 items
grim parcel
and crate depressions
tacit flare
Even if Valve was to pull the plug, the one thing the TF2 community has for sure is an indescribable amount of raw spite to keep existing.
craggy ridge
I still want to know what was going through their heads at Valve when they chang...
what makes you think that they thought that no one would notice
crisp cedar
people were pretending nfts were some insane new thing but theyve existed and worked for years
the tf2 community is by far the most annoying community tho
tacit flare
people were pretending nfts were some insane new thing but theyve existed and wo...
If that is true, then we live in the worst timeline.
spare obsidian
the tf2 community is by far the most annoying community tho
remenber the whole blog post edit fiasco
crisp cedar
they released a trailer for a dota update (biggest update in years) and the comment section was full of very sad tf2 players
formal dew
Tf2 trading was too much of an indirect path for valve
grim parcel
stop buying pictures of monkeys with hats, buy more awp dragon lores
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that people cried about?
tacit flare
the tf2 community is by far the most annoying community tho
Oh I don't know about that. There are plenty of others out there..
crisp cedar
nah
spare obsidian
valve communitys is annoying period
crisp cedar
im convinced tf2 has some of the most petty people but i feel like thats because everyones on a stockholm syndrome with an abandoned game
tacit flare
Remember when Homestuck was a thing?
summer steeple
wasn't homestuck day like 2 weeks ago
spare obsidian
abandoned? crates? hats? bots? bro wake up its sep 11 2007 lets play TF2 :)
formal dew
Valve and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
crisp cedar
like look at this, these people are so petty
of the top 40 comments only one of them was actually someone who plays the game
spare obsidian
making mayor updates to its ips that produces money*
accurate representation
valve wants to dry your wallet out
formal dew
I saw a YouTube video that was a valve technical presentation at some conference, don't think it was on their channel
crisp cedar
if donald trump said he would make valve release a tf2 update trump would win next election
actually, nvm, he wouldnt
because tf2 players as always are the loud minority
small sirenBOT
formal dew
But someone mentioned tf2 in the comments and the replies were like my god get a life
crisp cedar
just like conservatives
craggy ridge
because tf2 players as always are the loud minority <:trollfig:93815444248477711...
Gosh I hate minorities so much you have no idea
craggy ridge
especially the loud ones
crisp cedar
that goes so hard im gonna tweet that
summer steeple
*them
crisp cedar
what makes you say that i use 4chan
crisp cedar
i only really just browse funny videos of people getting hurt on reddit
and /r/dota2
paper sluice
you cant be a redditor and use discord at the same time pick a struggle
crisp cedar
and when i comment on reddit it's just me talking shit
tacit flare
Why can't Valve just hire out TF2's development to another company? Or hell, with the amount of money they sit on, do like Microsoft did with Halo and make a child company to develop and maintain it? That way Valve don't need to do anything other than say what they don't like.
summer steeple
spite
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because the worst case scenario is that new comapny
would totally turn tf2 into a gatcha hell
crisp cedar
also this
spare obsidian
tf2 is fine with valve and its monetization
tacit flare
because the worst case scenario is that new comapny
Hahaha my sweet sweet child. The worst case scenario is Valve letting the community have the keys.
crisp cedar
it would be so much fucking worse under any other dev
spare obsidian
imagine if they sold tf2 to EA
formal dew
Valve has no reason to change their ongoing treatment of tf2
spare obsidian
the end of a era
crisp cedar
people still malding about ea?
are we still in 2019
or 2016
whatever was that time
spare obsidian
i mean they still gave reasons to so
crisp cedar
try ubisoft or riot
formal dew
all capitalist constructs deserve hatred
spare obsidian
blizzard is a death horse at this point lol
crisp cedar
but since we live in capitalism i must participate it
paper sluice
what'd riot do
other than make valorant and leauge
small sirenBOT
crisp cedar
i cant avoid it
craggy ridge
rayne visiting 4chan really braindamage him
wasn't there a politics board in 4chan
tacit flare
all capitalist constructs deserve hatred
Your existance is a capitalist construct.
spare obsidian
also riot? big chiling 🥶
crisp cedar
what'd riot do
other than make valorant and leauge
make league
the worst fucking
game client
of all time
craggy ridge
crisp cedar
valorant is probably fine idk enough about valorant
craggy ridge
I swear to god there was a politics board
spare obsidian
for real too, idk why people unironically suggest that valve should hand tf2 to another dev team
tacit flare
Wait, they took down /pol/?
craggy ridge
Wait, they took down /pol/?
I KNEW IT WASN'T ME GOING CRAAZY
formal dew
valve hired a big tf2 fan
craggy ridge
valve hired a big tf2 fan
They should hire tyler