I used to main bastion back in like 2017 lol
#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year
wintry marlin
broken thistle
and thats why 70% of tf2's maps should either be overhauled or outright removed from matchmaking, thank you for coming to my ted talk
jagged pawn
I mean competitive has a small map pool for a reason. WHY IS TURBINE STILL THERE
summer steeple
i will admit that I definitely will have a different opinion of competitive in games to most people simply because in every game i play I like to play things that other players don't
broken thistle
overwatch is entirely oversaturated with hero's tbh
wintry marlin
overwatch is entirely oversaturated with hero's tbh
tf2 has 240 weapons
clearly there's not enough heroes
summer steeple
so i don't like the fact that competitive games tend to just railroad themselves into a stale meta
where everyone is stuck playing the same game over and over again
when there's so many other things to try
and sure, not everything has to be viable
heavy solarBOT
@summer steeple has leveled up! (73 ā 74)
summer steeple
but in the case of tf2 comp it feels SO stuck in a very specific selection of things
like even on OW you see different team compositions a lot
but in TF2, its always the same classes, same items, etc.
jagged pawn
yeah comp tf2 is overwhelmingly stale
broken thistle
tf2 has 240 weapons
thats got to be including reskins lmao
jagged pawn
tf2 has 240 weapons
this is a lie lmfao
broken thistle
still, even if tf2 did have 240 weapons im not sure what that has to do with my point regarding overwatches oversaturation
(and yes there are redundant weapons in tf2, im not denying that)
wintry marlin
creating a delicate system of equal opportunity in modern team-based hero-based fps seems to have become harder over the years.
It's like game developers don't know what to do to make everything viable.
Usually designers in the real world take that as a challenge but here's it's like they swing their arms saying "what can you do".
hybrid cloud
tf2 has around 130 unique weapons
broken thistle
would anyone really miss the backscatter if it was removed besides penis scouts?
jagged pawn
yeah most weapons in tf2 suck
wintry marlin
"we have to make so much marketable junk every year that we don't have the time to formulaically structure the balance to even know ahead of time what are we even doing"
summer steeple
i mean i use the backscatter
jagged pawn
like literally the majority are never gonna see serious play
summer steeple
its fun
jagged pawn
i mean i use the backscatter
my only pro ks weapon is a back scatter, I love. I would never use it in comp
orchid sorrel
backscatter just needs some slight tweaking imo
broken thistle
the backscatter dosent suck its just entirely redundant
wintry marlin
if game developers were allowed to take a step back like artists and musicians so they can have a fresh point of view maybe the balance would become clearer.
broken thistle
im not entirely sure what that statement means
wintry marlin
if you draw a picture for hours straight without taking a break you will miss some mistakes.
It's important to look away once in a while.
Some figured out that to get that "fresh look" instantly you can just flip the canvas.
with musicians, same issue occurs.
If you work on a song for hours straight you wouldn't notice how some parts of the arrangement may not make sense in the full picture.
game dev seems to demand as much of your attention, if not more, yet there is no apparent practice of "realizing what you're doing" before continuing on.
jagged pawn
I mean you can absolutely look away from a game. valve has been doing it for decades 
jagged pawn
you realize you're just saying words
wintry marlin
Do you see how this applies to game dev?
jagged pawn
obviously
wintry marlin
I am pretty sure valve has reached that point where the game is already perfected in their mind.
broken thistle
I mean i get where you're coming from, but there's a reason why play tests and QA exists
wintry marlin
but to get that fresh look, they'd have to redo the game from scratch.
they have more experience and better tools currently than they did 20 years ago.
we're seeing this with cs2.
summer steeple
isn't neon prime rumored to be a class shooter
jagged pawn
I am pretty sure valve has reached that point where the game is already perfecte...
HAHAHAHA there is a 0% chance this is true they just don't care
summer steeple
so in other words, redoing the game from scratch
jagged pawn
isn't neon prime rumored to be a class shooter
class shooter yes but not fps
broken thistle
its just that game design is a lot more chaotic (and i mean that in the literal chaos-theory sense) where adding one weapon can have a massive impact on basically everything else
summer steeple
class shooter yes but not fps
so third person shooter?
i guess we won't know until they show it off
jagged pawn
that's what's rumored yes
summer steeple
(if that ever happens)
jagged pawn
2028
broken thistle
š¦
wintry marlin
You can't torture an artist to keep working on the same project for decades.
But nor can you force another person to join valve to work on the game without being promptly fired.
jagged pawn
this is what I mean in regards to just saying words
summer steeple
but yeah, I don't think valve sees tf2 as perfect, but rather just easier to leave as is and make a new game with the stuff they've learned over the past near 2 decades since its release
wintry marlin
the original devs are not obligated to work on it anymore.
broken thistle
im going to cope and think that this neo prime game is just a code name for tf3 to hide it from us even though i know deep down this is not true
summer steeple
i mean here's the thing
if they make a new multiplayer game that is in any way related to tf2
people will be pissed if the inventory isn't connected
so their choices are either not do anything tf related or update tf2
jagged pawn
they are idiots it's true
summer steeple
i mean true
but it helps if people's thousand dollar inventories aren't on the line
broken thistle
i mean its exactly what they're doing with cs2
wintry marlin
this obsessive behavior about this game and how much the playerbase cries for attention and bites the hand whenever they decide to do something is the reason why tf2 is seen as a kid's game where 9 year olds have 10000 hours in it.
broken thistle
its basically just csgo source 2 with everything intact
broken thistle
when is that not true of any gaming community
wintry marlin
I'm off.
broken thistle
timezone moment
broken thistle
tl;dr for this convo: tf2 bad <:trollfig:938154442484777111>
broken thistle
oh did you mistake that for a real tf2 update haha
jagged pawn
yeah it's not classic
iirc the project originally started with the goal of recreating the feel of like 2010 tf2? but that's just not what it is now
it's a hodge podge of every era with no real cohesion
wintry marlin
Yep
jagged pawn
really a game with JI flamethrower functionality plus a tranquilizer gun plus a jump pad plus the civilian has no place saying it's from any era in particular. just own that you're a fangame, not a history project
broken thistle
thats what pre-fortress 2 is
the only justification i can come up for with the tf2c name is that its referencing team fortress classic (with its 4 teams, civilian and such) instead of tf2 pre release to 2010
still, excited to see the update (and if any Australians will play it lmao)
next nymph
instant respawn + killbinds
cursive peak
iirc the project originally started with the goal of recreating the feel of like...
I thought it was originally trying to mix launch TF2 and TFC. Pretty sure it started when someone on Facepunch found their disc copy of either TF2 or the Orange Box that actually included the game files instead of just the Steam installer and serial keys for the game.
lean cove
thats rly cool
hybrid cloud
to me tf2c is more like a what if scenario
like it's not just a beta mod like pf2 or tf2v, it's more like an imagined timeline where valve never added hats
maybe it should be renamed to TF2 If... ala SMT
small sirenBOT
slender nexus
Shin Megami Team: Fortress
hybrid cloud
Ture
slender nexus
teur
crisp cedar
like it's not just a beta mod like pf2 or tf2v, it's more like an imagined timel...
so... a timeline where the game stopped getting support in like 2008-2009?
its kinda undeniable that hats had a lot to do with tf2's place in internet culture
people dont necessarily play tf2 just because its epic gameplay
high current
Gonna reference some of the many posts from overnight and not @ anyone to be confusing.
JI was weird in regards to pyro changes. The biggest offense to me is still the new flame particles. They just look worse, are way more obscuring, and smell worse than the old flame particles. I think the idea behind the new particles was to make them more team colored? Or make them on players more team colored? I donāt think they are even team colored so idk if Iām remembering right, but not being able to see the person shooting them makes discerning team harder than flames being or not being team colored.
As for people being pissed if a new TF game released: I think CS2 handled the situation reasonably well. Itās just an overhauled game released as if it were an update. I think TF2^2 would be a funny name and would solve the inventory problem. Though tbh I wouldnāt mind just resetting all the items, thereās a lot of shit in the game that no one would miss. And Iām not referring to the ābanana break artstyleā argument I think is invalid, just some hats suck. The things Iād miss most from my inventory if it got deleted wouldnāt be unusuals, itād be bugged items like spec or prof killstreak gunboats.
crisp cedar
honestly im still weirded out that theyre just calling it cs2
like
it makes no sense
when they ported dota 2 to source 2 they didnt call it dota 3
they just ported dota 2 to source 2 and called it the reborn update
and thats it
idk why they didnt just do the same to cs or just rebrand the game to just counter strike
adding a 2 just seems weird
either way i dont think theyd release a new tf unless it's a spinoff game
hushed basin
Counter Strike Source 2
crisp cedar
ideally since theres so many econ items theyll just port everything over
but, wishful thinking
that tf2 will get a port or a remake
hybrid cloud
so... a timeline where the game stopped getting support in like 2008-2009?
not necessarily stopped getting support but focusing way more on gameplay and having those updates be slower because they don't bring in the money like hats would
hybrid cloud
Gonna reference some of the many posts from overnight and not @ anyone to be con...
the idea behind flame visuals is to first and foremost accurately represent hitboxes which they mostly do i guess, and visuals come second
if anything i would say them being ugly is intentional because part of pyro's identity according to valve is being as obstructive as possible by blinding people before they can get a good bead on you and kill you
crisp cedar
not necessarily stopped getting support but focusing way more on gameplay and ha...
dont think that'd work
for valve atleast
hybrid cloud
but like, you could fade them to orange or a softer redder shade and it'd be just fine
hybrid cloud
dont think that'd work
i agree that without hats valve would've dropped this game dead without a second thought by 2010 but again i think it's a what if this happened and it worked kind of deal
paper sluice
honestly im still weirded out that theyre just calling it cs2
Itās cuz theyāre trying to rebrand kinda for a newer generation
Very obvious in the whole āesportsā aesthetic theyāre going for
high current
Tbh without hats they probably would have released a TF3 or CSGO2 by now. Adding an actual economy to a game makes series much much much more complicated.
high current
honestly im still weirded out that theyre just calling it cs2
I have no idea the scale of the actual Dora 2 S2 port, but the CS port to S2 has massive implications in the minor changes to physics. Nade lineups change entirely and just in general the change to a different engine in a 3D environment seems much more impactful. Also the smoke grenade changes, while comically minor in a technical sense, have massive changes in game play that I think in combination with the engine let me give the CS2 title a pass.
I meant Dota 2, but honestly Dora 2: The Explorer Of Source 2 when?
crisp cedar
well the source 2 port was dogshit at first
but over time they got it to play like source 1 played
in all fairness it was their first port while the engine was barely even finished
this far in development i would assume it should be easily to mimic how source 1 works in source 2
source 2 after all is still source
it's not ue
the nade lineups for example are a consequence of how networking has been changed, nothing to do with physics for example
in terms of like
tick and stuff
not an expert in networking i would rather not talk about that
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crisp cedar
I have no idea the scale of the actual Dora 2 S2 port, but the CS port to S2 has...
also, here's an idea of the scale of change source 2 had on dota https://www.dota2.com/reborn/part1
tldr: overhaul of all of the ui completely, improved spectator experience, ability to host lobbies with custom gamemodes made by the community, developer tools (hammer, material, model, particle editors, etc)
and all of these
also sfm2 but i hear that its not that different from just source 1 sfm
well at the time
i know hla has a better s2fm
cedar prairie
how much of a performance difference does no_texture_stream make?
wintry marlin
it makes no sense
they've stuck to the idea that cs 1.6 is the first game.
condition zero was their singleplayer campaign spinoff
cs source was just a new engine remake
and that csgo was just a console port
crisp cedar
but cs 1.6 is just called cs 1.6
wintry marlin
and now given that cs2 significantly alters the gameplay but doesn't fulfill the criteria of a separate game release they just rebranded it.
crisp cedar
it would be just simple to rebrand to cs
because that's what cs is today
it's not what counter strike was
it's what counter strike is right now
crisp cedar
therefore it makes sense for it to be called counter strike, especially because none of the game are actually called just counter strike
idk i just think its dumb
speaking of cs
has the limited test even gotten any updates lately
wintry marlin
calling it cs 1.6 is just me having a habit since at the time people used to play older versions of the game even when css was available.
I think the name has just stuck.
crisp cedar
yea but like
when people refer to the latest version of a game they just call it whatever it's called
without the version prefix
it's the same with minecraft
wintry marlin
yeah.
crisp cedar
if i say minecraft everyone assumes its 1.19/1.20
i need to specify minecraft 1.18 if im talking about an older version of the game
since cs2 is the current version of cs it would make sense for it to be just counter strike imo
wintry marlin
everyone was calling it cs 1.6 and so have I and just stuck with me.
perhaps.
Though I can see why valve would consider cs2 to be the sequel to that game.
rather than a sequel to csgo.
though it's entirely possible that they also took the opportunity to avoid the meme number again.
old habits die hard.
jagged pawn
they've stuck to the idea that cs 1.6 is the first game.
condition zero was thei...
it's basically this except cs:go is a sequel. cs2 is a rebrand of what is, in their eyes, the second cs game
cs:s is to cs1.6 as cs2 is to cs:go
wintry marlin
makes sense
left sand
@livid oracle
they added the rocket minigun
it's actually over man tf2 classic is over
theyre adding joke weapons into serious updates
jagged pawn
it's sad for sure
paper sluice
It looks like itās more of an explosive bullet thingy than rockets
small sirenBOT
paper sluice
Cuz it says itās very fast where you canāt see or airblast
So maybe itās less shitā¦?
And has a limited range
Yeah at the end they say itās just bullets that explode but still
At least itāll be interesting to see
left sand
I'm trying to find it but we had a discussion here clowning on this exact weapon
it was about a heavy gameplay video on upward 2nd
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paper sluice
Yeah I rembr it
That one has actual rockets iirc
#tf2-discussion message
This looks one isnāt upward but itās similar
spare obsidian
it's actually over man tf2 classic is over
you really love to toss hate on some mods huh
rare creek
tf2 was over ever since they added the phlogistinator and dragon's fury....
spare obsidian
tf2 was over since the community step in
rare creek
tf2 was over since they added the gunboats and escape plan
in fact tf2 might have even been over since they added the blutsauger
paper sluice
TF2 was over when the added gameplay
summer steeple
tf2 was over
crisp cedar
theyre adding joke weapons into serious updates
im not even shocked
game was ass!
play open fortress instead or just tf2
paper sluice
Or pre fortress 2 šš:D:grinning:ššš=D
The beta sourcemod
I meant to say best but that works too
next nymph
tf2 was over
jagged pawn
I love heaven and hello I'm a heaven and hello stan
I'm looking for an old copypasta from when he joined the tfs2 server and started tagging all the employees and telling them the changes he wanted as if he was their boss
jagged pawn
Or pre fortress 2 šš:D:grinning:ššš=D
at least pf2 has a goal and a mission. that mission is to make a bad game, but it's something
tf2c is just "what if we made tf2 updates" they like to say it's supposed to give 2009 vibes or whatever but it's very obviously made up so they can pretend it's not a glorified custom weapons server
paper sluice
PF2 IS GOOD!!!!!ā¼ļø ā¼ļø ā¼ļø ā¼ļø
lean cove
no bias
potent wolf
PF2 IS GOOD!!!!!ā¼ļø ā¼ļø ā¼ļø ā¼ļø
biased
paper sluice
i became a dev after playing it for awhile im not biased,,.,,.
summer steeple
pf2 and tf2c make a version of tf2 based on a specific period of time and then not add random shit to it challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
spare obsidian
why y'all are saying what mod is best or no, that literally comes to personal preference
paper sluice
pf2 and tf2c make a version of tf2 based on a specific period of time and then n...
pf2 has done none of that,,..,
we do not associate with tf2c ā
jagged pawn
yeah pf2 never did that
I respect pf2 a lot as a sort of historical archive but it isn't fun to play
meanwhile tf2c is both meaningless and unfun
paper sluice
have you played 0.7 pf2
cuz what youre describing sounds like 0.6
spare obsidian
lets not turn this into a fight
paper sluice
a lot
QOL changes, reblances, better everything
new maps and gamemodes (not unique gamemodes just backported)
spare obsidian
this going to end into a PF2 vs TF2C fight lol
summer steeple
pf2 has done none of that,,..,
gravelpit beta map claiming that its how gravelpit was when they really had to force it to be that way
paper sluice
what
jagged pawn
interesting, I'll give it another shot tonight ig
if it still sucks I'm holding you personally accountable
paper sluice
im only an asset guy i dont do the balancing š„¹
summer steeple
bridge is made up of stuff which was part of the leaked gravelpit vmfs but smushed together to make it work and they claim that its "beta gravelpit"
factually incorrect
jagged pawn
as an aside I do wonder why pf2 and tf2c don't collaborate in some way. like does pf2 have 4 team or vip yet? seems like a pretty big hole for a historical archive to have
summer steeple
"we made trainyard be badlands themed because it used to be badlands themed"
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
meanwhile trainyard was probably badlands themed because the alpine assets hadn't been made yet
gee i wonder why they painted over this map to show how it should look when assets are done
paper sluice
none of pf2 is real beta
its just beta reimagined
badlands trainyard fits that and it looks cool
jagged pawn
LMAO
summer steeple
this blog post was 2 weeks ago
rare creek
i think pf2 is well designed and fun to play
and tf2c is just tf2 but with worse pyro and heavy (and somehow the performance is even worse than live tf2)
paper sluice
misleading image is also a fail
well i can tell you for a fact it wasnt maliciously done
tis but a mistake
jagged pawn
tf2 classic succeeds because and only because it feels new. it's not better, it's not an evolution on the game, it's just new. that's all people want, they're desperate
I still don't get why it's called tf2 classic tho
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potent wolf
no leaked maps discussion please
summer steeple
right, forgot, sorry
point is its misleading
anyway i just think its funny that both tf2c and pf2 started off as beta or early tf2 recreations
and then said "fuck it we're doing our own thing"
crisp cedar
i dont think pf2 is supposed to be good tbh
like
its what its supposed to be
a recreation of old tf2
summer steeple
not anymore
summer steeple
they decided they wanted to make a video game and not try and force scrapped concepts in their original state to work
which is fine
paper sluice
yeah we decided to stop doing the cringe and shitty accurate beta cuz like
it was changed for a reason
it sucked and wasnt fun
paper sluice
but like what we do add is still in the spirit and we arent going to go overboard
no explosive minigun š„¹
rare creek
pf2 is better than open fortress because they use Git like normal people instead of Apache S*bversion š¤®
summer steeple
I get having a fixation with cut content in games, like I really do
paper sluice
most of pf2 weapon concepts are kinda like fortress forever weapons or quake and the like
or other scrapped things
paper sluice
yeah
its like half life 2 beta
why would you want that its worse
but minecraft beta is something special thats actually fun,..,
hybrid cloud
i wish fortress forever was alive
summer steeple
honestly i think its a shame that these devs can't just go and make a game of their own
like because its tf2-related it brings in people
but i feel like you'd be better off if you could just make your own game from scratch
cursive peak
As far as cut content in general goes, I think I'd be more into content cut due to time constraints than abandoned concepts.
summer steeple
yeah
paper sluice
but i feel like you'd be better off if you could just make your own game from sc...
but then we cant use leaked code to make our lives easier
(for legal reasons we dont do this anymore)
it only started as tf_port with grenades
summer steeple
honestly like
crisp cedar
its like half life 2 beta
hl2 beta fans are insane
summer steeple
i wish these projects wouldn't use leaked code at all
but it does make it easier
altho for OF i'm extremely like "why did you do that"
crisp cedar
hl2 beta had like 5 different assault rifle models and the dark and gritty fans wanted ALL OF THEM in a single game
that being said i get the fascination with old hl2
summer steeple
like cut content is interesting
crisp cedar
it's drastically different from retail hl2 and i wish valve would come back to it as like an alternate universe game
rare creek
hl2 beta pistol is the same as retail but it has working bullet casing ejection
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
but its really worth evaluating the cut content compared to what actually released and trying to figure out why it was cut
and 90% of the time, its because it was bad
crisp cedar
like in terms of overall story, place, aesthetic, etc
hybrid cloud
like because its tf2-related it brings in people
brings in people for 2 weeks and then dies because all it had was youtuber hype
crisp cedar
yeahh
summer steeple
better than nothing
summer steeple
gump SWEEP
valve please add PD gump in summer update
honestly i appreciate the fact that right out of the gate OF was its own thing
crisp cedar
i would play so much tf2 if they added gump
summer steeple
also tbh the tf2 thing works
jagged pawn
unironically I expect gump
summer steeple
OF is more popular than 95% of arena shooters ever were lmao
because it got eyes on it
rare creek
OF is more popular than 95% of arena shooters ever were lmao
there is always a single full server with 70 ping and every other server is dead
jagged pawn
a few months ago they dropped a patch for a bunch of issues with overlap between player destruction and mannpower
there is literally one pd mannpower map on the workshop
jagged pawn
why would they bother with this if they weren't adding gump
summer steeple
cause they asked
jagged pawn
am I crazy for thinking this
jagged pawn
I guess? but like I'm sure plenty of random maps could use stuff, why did gump get it approved
summer steeple
valve apparently added functionality for bots inspecting weapons in cs:go because a guy just asked for it
spare obsidian
that people ask for
later the community complains about it
the endless cycle lol
someone suggest something or people wants
valve adds it
the community complains why did they added it
jagged pawn
idc gump sweep next month
summer steeple
i hope the community complains about vscript
rare creek
powerhouse round timer
summer steeple
because it makes map making for crazy concepts too easy
summer steeple
yeah
spare obsidian
can related
summer steeple
it took me months of on and off work to finally get to the conclusion of func_rotating
I still need to make it move
if i parent it the player will get stuck
so i'm gonna try measure movement
crisp cedar
wait so
isnt of likes
like
supposed to reverse engineer tf2
cuz they wanted it on steam but they couldnt cuz leaked code lol
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jagged pawn
when is that titanfall 2 vscript thing getting put into a real map I wanna play it
tf2 in tf2
rare creek
someone should put the titanfall grapple in tf2
rare creek
the mannpower grapple hook is pathetic in comparison
spare obsidian
cuz they wanted it on steam but they couldnt cuz leaked code lol
the problem is that RE isn't even allowed by the ToS even if it is legal in the unite states of america
jagged pawn
I'm gonna try to find it one sec
rare creek
that is very cool
crisp cedar
the problem is that RE isn't even allowed by the ToS even if it is legal in the ...
so what then
summer steeple
i think i saw the creator of that say that in the footage that most people saw it was actually map logic prior to vscript
spare obsidian
š¤·
summer steeple
but that they were working on vscript
next nymph
PF2 IS GOOD!!!!!ā¼ļø ā¼ļø ā¼ļø ā¼ļø
phreak fortress 2?
rare creek
that just looks like the regular mannpower grapple hook
rare creek
they didn't do a very good job demonstrating the physics
https://youtu.be/U5lQGBl9rzg this is the sort of stuff i was expecting
summer steeple
i think their test map was just a bit too small for that sort of stuff
but also they were trying to show off everything, not just the grappling
so uhhh cohesive video
next nymph
cp_orange is the ideal test map
rare creek
you can do it reliably in pretty small spaces
summer steeple
oh they even mentioned it
https://twitter.com/Sarexicus/status/1590294222988775424
Twitter
rare creek
like you can grapple the edge of the ceiling and then swing around it to gain a ton of height
lean cove
mannpower grapple is alr v fun
rare creek
i want to make this sort of stuff myself but i have no idea where to start
no scripts online to go off of
summer steeple
simply learn squirrel
rare creek
i did that already https://gist.github.com/unsubtract/cef03086a8284ee943bcc60bb3788494
extremely slow brainfuck interpreter
formal dew
simply learn squirrel
me trying to form a rodent army
lean cove
surprisingly easy to make it move
where leg motion.........
summer steeple
i didn't give it an animation
rare creek
vscript
lean cove
cwā¦
summer steeple
needed to be able to see the collision box
so i did it myself
what did valve mean by this
potent wolf
I assume they mean that the player view can't be inside a solid?
small sirenBOT
potent wolf
or shouldn't be
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potent wolf
I know, i checked
summer steeple
h265 moment
jagged pawn
ugh
broken thistle
pf2 and tf2c make a version of tf2 based on a specific period of time and then n...
i mean once you've extracted all that you can from the earlier versions of tf2 im not entirely sure where you could go beyond just making shit for the hell of it
jagged pawn
but neither of them are anywhere near done yet
smoky notch
https://medal.tv/games/tf2/clips/16MiIzcTIClC7N/d1337pcUwNi5?invite=cr-MSw2WTgsNDkyNjMzMjcs
https://medal.tv/games/tf2/clips/16Mqr1jI7hlYcR/d1337EJESi66?invite=cr-MSxjZmgsNDkyNjMzMjcs
piro!!!
grim parcel
you play like a god bro add me š„
radiant merlin
interesting
potent wolf
what exactly is this huntsman change supposed to do
radiant merlin
i guess that it makes arrows to interact directly with a body bounding box (head, chest, etc)
tacit flare
Ah yes, the "Head" hitbox.
limpid panther
Ah yes, the "Head" hitbox.
this is a misrepresentation of shounic's data
I've actually been meaning to reimplement the system in some visualisation tool outside the game so that you can move around the player and see the actual spots you would shoot to land a headshot, accounting for the 16units thing, the grid aligned bounding box, and everything else
smoky notch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480416823695638578/1101965051667161259/im...
sup with that hud? š
paper sluice
are there any tf2 mods you guys want made
models (depends), textures whatever
prolly not huds tho
i need something to do
crisp cedar
panorama ui in tf2
paper sluice
prolly not huds tho
potent wolf
steamui in tf2
paper sluice
orchid sorrel
sup with that hud? š
Custom popfile commands to load the hl2 combine binoculars overlay
Might end up using it for giant players
For something similar to the l4d infected player huds
smoky notch
are there any tf2 mods you guys want made
models (depends), textures whatever
pr...
sound mods at all?
paper sluice
what kinda sound mod
paper sluice
sound design aint really my forte
sound mods are easy as tho if you find a good sound you can prolly just replace it ez pz :shurg;
smoky notch
yeah, i get that, i'm just lazy
crisp cedar
yeah sound mods are simple
smoky notch
i'm pretty familiar with messing with my tf2
crisp cedar
wouldnt doubt it
smoky notch
if this is anything to go by
crisp cedar
this is all ive got
smoky notch
my binds are goofy
crisp cedar
how come
lean cove
are there any tf2 mods you guys want made
models (depends), textures whatever
pr...
skyrhaxs
smoky notch
e is thanks instead of medic
ope
have to hide something in there
an exploit i'm not sharing >:)
crisp cedar
ok
smoky notch
but like
q is reload
r is use action slot
g is inspect
f is taunt
t is special attack
e is thanks
pgup is med down
function + number is call spy as that class
mwheel up is slot 1
mwheel down is slot 2
mouse5 is slot3
mouse4 is viewmodel toggle
smoky notch
???
i play sniper and medic you goofball
how do you change vax res
or use focus?
potent wolf
lmaooo
smoky notch
evidently
paper sluice
isnt the switch thing normally r for vax anyway
smoky notch
i play sniper and medic you goofball
i'm actually sorta surprised i didn't get say no evil'd
small sirenBOT
crisp cedar
i guess ill look for a button
smoky notch
isnt the switch thing normally r for vax anyway
yea, but i have that set to quack
paper sluice
fair
crisp cedar
...later
smoky notch
what
crisp cedar
don't tell him
smoky notch
okay
smoky notch
alright
smoky notch
nah that's literally only used for mvm medic
crisp cedar
oh
smoky notch
proj shield
crisp cedar
middle mouse
smoky notch
yes
smoky notch
??
crisp cedar
cant u just put it somewhere else
crisp cedar
poor you
crisp cedar
hm wait im gonna open tf2 just to check something
i wonder if like
they count the enter buttons seperately
like on a full keyboard
the long enter on the bottom right
smoky notch
depends
crisp cedar
cuz i noticed i can quite easily press it with my right hand's thumb
smoky notch
do you have numlock on
small sirenBOT
crisp cedar
yeah
smoky notch
then yes
crisp cedar
no but the game wasnt even responding
crisp cedar
so i just pressed it and that popped up
crisp cedar
thats what i did
smoky notch
here btw
ctrl f for Hover over a key to see its scripting name. Names are not case-sensitive.
crisp cedar
nice
oh i can just do it straight up in dota i dont need to use commands
thats even better
smoky notch
ye
rare creek
you can bind multiple things to one key and then have a separate key that you press/hold to switch functionality
crisp cedar
yeah ive heard of that but tbh i dont think i need something like that
rare creek
on engineer and spy I have holding Alt make the number keys build/disguise
crisp cedar
i think ive bound everything ive wanted to bind
rare creek
and also holding ctrl changes the number keys to load_itempreset so i can be like b4nny but cooler
summer steeple
i keep forgetting to set up my hold toggle so that i can explode and kill on the same key
rare creek
i explode and kill on [ and ]
cursive peak
I always just explode, never kill.
summer steeple
sometimes ragdolls are funnier tbh
i used to just use explode but i swapped to kill because of ragdolls
small sirenBOT
smoky notch
@paper sluice can you hide the sniper scope dot clientside?
i specify clientside, knowing that's the only way it'd be possible, because people always answer me by saying "the enemies would still see it"
paper sluice
i have no idea
if it used a texture for the dot it'd prolly be possible yeah
idk what texture that would be tho
potent wolf
effects/sniperdot_red.vmt
smoky notch
mmm
potent wolf
(well, that's the material, but it's a start)
smoky notch
this seems like a better solution
still lets me see enemies without making it damn near impossible to go for actual long range shots
cursive peak
i used to just use explode but i swapped to kill because of ragdolls
It's been like 10 years since I've had ragdolls on.
summer steeple
fair enough
slender nexus
I love having Ragdolls on regardless of the performance impact because they're funni
hybrid cloud
i turn them on in order to make guns feel more powerful but also they disappear the moment they're off screen so they never take up too much from my fps
broken thistle
q is reload
r is use action slot
g is inspect
f is taunt
t is special attack
e ...
personally i have q as thanks and e as medic, F1-F4 is switching loadout, Numpad for individual classes and then ctrl+q and ctrl+e for switching teams and classes respectively
oh and c as crouch instead of ctrl
there are a bunch of others for individual classes like ctrl+mouse3 for engie turret
cursive peak
It's not even about performance with rag dolls for me. It's about not having a goddamn Spy rag doll leaning near a sentry and prompting me to attack it 3 times in one HL match. I also don't need to laugh to have fun in TF2.
summer steeple
understandable
formal dew
Time to write a 2000 word essay on how competition kills the Soul of tf2
unborn pecan
I HATE COMP TF2
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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/863102954965696513/1087166332778336276/attachment-133_1.gif
formal dew
The competitive and anti competitive factions will never agree
There should be team based fight to the death over it
Perhaps over some territory
unborn pecan
š«” I will use my advace swagology skills to blow them up
slender nexus
Time to write a 2000 word essay on how competition kills the Soul of tf2
inb4 a comp player fires back by making a 3000 word essay on how playing for fun kills the soul of tf2
crisp cedar
hot take: both can coexist
smoky notch
eh
formal dew
Centrist
smoky notch
i think both have their places
i think tf2 wasn't meant to be taken as seriously as it is though, cold take
crisp cedar
yeah true
smoky notch
like
crisp cedar
it wasnt made as a competitive game
smoky notch
b4nny is a fucking loser lol but beyond that
crisp cedar
huh whys that
smoky notch
he's just an asshole
getting good at tf2 is fine, and encouraged, obviously
being good isn't a problem
but being hyper competitive
that's just not tf2
6s for fun is ideal
crisp cedar
well yeah it's comp tf2
crisp cedar
eh
we can agree to disagree
im not a competitive tf2 player or even much of a tf2 player at all these days but i think theres a lot of people passionately dedicating themselves to the craft
while tf2 wasnt made for competitive
its something that was born out of chance i guess
but i guess comp tf2 isnt really much of anything
esports at it's core was for the love of the game
smoky notch
i don't think competitive tf2 is a bad thing, i think saying "tf2 is competitive" is bad
crisp cedar
ur literally never gonna make a living out of comp tf2
smoky notch
and not because it's not true
but because it minimizes what is, in my opinion, the most expressive fps, by a very large margin
crisp cedar
while tf2 can be a competitive fps
i've always seen it more as a social game
yknow
crisp cedar
it has capabilities to be a competitive game if valve ever put work into it
and there are people playing it competitively for the love of it
since theres basically no money in it, it's kind of just another way to play the game for fun
atleast thats what id think
crisp cedar
yeah totally
smoky notch
money isn't the only invalid sort of competition
crisp cedar
it is a pvp game after all
smoky notch
i don't think b4nny loves tf2 the same way dane, lazy, funke, or any of us do
crisp cedar
tf2 is just a very unique game in general
it's just a lot of things
it doesn't have an identity because it's pretty much everything
well
it has an identity but like
it's just a very unique type of game that's difficult to replicate for others with reasonable success
while part of what makes tf2 is it's competitive aspect
plenty of other things contribute to what makes the game stand out greatly
smoky notch
it's a game that allows for everything
crisp cedar
so many things helped solidify tf2 in internet culture
cosmetics, while many people view as arguably bad, have had a fuckton of impact on the game
and how it's viewed
and sfm was insane
gmod did what sfm did before sfm came around
but sfm fortified the foundation tf2 stood on
smoky notch
people who think cosmetics are a problem fucking baffle me
crisp cedar
i mean i do think cosmetics should be controlled a bit
crisp cedar
but overall theyre not much of a problem
smoky notch
they're so expressive, they're so fun
smoky notch
they let tf2 be so much more customizable
god that sounds so frustratingly bland
tf2 has custom huds, mods, cosmetics, paints, unu effects, warpaints
it's so customizable
smoky notch
to take that away is such a bafflingly anti-consumer idea
crisp cedar
well i mean valve usually doesn't take away things from the community that they've already given
as long as they've made it clear that whatever the community is doing is fine
tf2 needs all that because it's basically on mainteance mode
the game is ruled by the community now
it always has been but
more so than before
before being like 6 years ago
crisp cedar
oh no dont get me wrong
smoky notch
i'm attacking the idea that they're a problem in the first place
crisp cedar
i think cosmetics are fine as long as they're not too ridicilously flashy
i cant really think
of an example in tf2 though
which would constitute as "too much"
i havent followed the cosmetics much in tf2 lately
smoky notch
i don't even think that's a problem
as long as i can
- identify the class
- identify the head hitbox
- identify the back hitbox
- identify the team
it doesn't matter.
and valve knows that
crisp cedar
well yea thats what i mean
smoky notch
that's all that matters
smoky notch
yea
crisp cedar
either way theres gonna be a long time before another game like tf2 gets made
its insane how short lived games are these days
culturally and in terms of live service
well
yknow
back 4 blood was kind of short lived
despite them promising to basically keep iterating on the game for years
not a lot of live service games keep going it feels like
orchid sorrel
Thats just how most triple A games are
Games are usually under tight deadlines and quickly made obsolete by sequels
Valve are kinda the exception in the space because they have the resources to work on a game as long as they want
Best places to look are with more independent studios, like Ghost Ship Games with Deep Rock Galactic
summer steeple
I mean in the case of b4b, I got the idea that it missed the mark so hard on what people wanted out of that game that it wasn't even worth supporting in their eyes
sure they could probably update the game to make it better, and i'm sure they did, but first impressions were not kind to the game, and getting people to take second chances with it or getting new players is probably not very easy
cursive peak
It is in a Humble Bundle currently.
crisp cedar
i think the only thing b4b proved was that l4d wouldve flopped without valve
summer steeple
but yeah, live service games in general are going to be far and few between i think, because its a lot of work and risk for something that very likely will not be worth supporting
summer steeple
i mean it could be that but it also could be the fact that i think there were only like 2 people who worked on l4d on b4b
like turtle rock now isn't turtle rock then
crisp cedar
well yeah but their entire point was that it was from the creators of l4d
summer steeple
true
crisp cedar
more like from the guys who came up with the idea of l4d
summer steeple
like there's obviously not enough info out there to know who did what in terms of the entire game's development for l4d
crisp cedar
i suppose thats true
cursive peak
Think Dota 2 would've thrived had it gone to Blizzard instead of Valve?
crisp cedar
fuck no
summer steeple
like it is entirely possible that the people who worked on l4d and b4b did not work on the actual game design or concept of l4d
crisp cedar
people scream and yell at valve for when they fuck up but honestly valve was the best company that couldve picked up dota
hoary geyser
L4D seems like it would be a boring game, but valve just did really good and made it fun
crisp cedar
like it is entirely possible that the people who worked on l4d and b4b did not w...
i just think they failed to understand what made l4d so good
cursive peak
L4D did strike during the zombie craze, so it had that going for it.
crisp cedar
b4b was a success though
financially
but culturally? it's gonna fade into obscurity
that's what sucks
summer steeple
i think the thing about live service games is that they need to consistently make money
crisp cedar
games keep coming out that will leave no mark on society and will be forgotten
that's what i think kinda sucks
not all games ofc
summer steeple
the initial launch can only do so much
crisp cedar
but it seems viable
b4b was a financial success because they managed to gaslight a ton of naive people that it was l4d3
summer steeple
i remember playing during the closed beta and thinking "its cool but needs work"
and then i watched it when it launched and was like "wow they did not improve the stuff that needed work"
altho tbf, I don't really like l4d either, so its possible the game style just isn't for me
cursive peak
L4D seems most fun with friends, and multiplayer gaming isn't as conducive to that anymore.
crisp cedar
like
it doesnt feel good to play a game that was
- made purely to make money
- made by people who don't seem to have any passion for the project
well okay i guess
everythings made for money
but a lot of what turns me off from modern games is how fake they feel
yknow?
small sirenBOT
summer steeple
like it feels artificial?
crisp cedar
factory made
it feels like something hastily made in a factory with the lowest possible costs
while the marketing tries to convince you that nothing is wrong
the work put into the games never feel like something coming out of the heart, passionless
you can make thousands of people work on a game, cram it full of content and it still can feel so fake
the videogame equivalent of wendy's twitter
that's probably the easiest way to put it
or the videogame equivalent of opera gx twitter
ok ig ot it
the games dont incite any kind of feeling inside of me
they dont feel good or satisfying to play
and the worlds the games take place in have me disinterested
i strongly feel like videogames can be a form of art but i feel like videogames are being held back from being recognized as such due to things like these
craggy ridge
he's just an asshole
crisp cedar
the videogame equivalent of wendy's twitter
got another one
the videogame equivalent of drake
the videogame equivalent of a marvel movie
on and on
paper sluice
dake
smoky notch
coms pointed out that there aren't really any real froyo regulars besides him
he's so toxic he can't keep anyone around
crisp cedar
š¤·
paper sluice
no
crisp cedar
youre going insane
summer steeple
didn't b4nny fire shounic from editing his vids because he showed his epic fails
crisp cedar
i think i wouldve heard about that
one thing ill say is that b4nnys videos got worse after shounic left
its so zoomery
i love this vid sm
cant reupload this to yt cuz it gets blocked in like every country in the world
craggy ridge
didn't b4nny fire shounic from editing his vids because he showed his epic fails
B4nny's shounic era
crisp cedar
for the song
craggy ridge
B4nny's shounic era
Shounic invite thumbnail maker
paper sluice
https://streamable.com/i2xk3h
wtf hes young
summer steeple
i literally couldn't care less about b4nny so everything i know about him is hearsay
crisp cedar
wtf hes young
the game wasn't in mainteance mode back then
playing a game with basically no support can fuck you up
craggy ridge
i don't think b4nny loves tf2 the same way dane, lazy, funke, or any of us do
what does this mean
smoky notch
b4nny loves the power
he loves feeling above people
he acts like it
he boots up tf2 to win
craggy ridge
that's not an uncommon way to like the game
smoky notch
like it? sure
love it?
god no
that's not love
that's dependency
b4nny rides the high of being good
i don't think anyone i mentioned loves it for that reason, especially not exclusively
crisp cedar
i wouldnt say that was the case before but i could totally see him kinda devolving over time
you get into it for the love of it and for some people they stop doing it for love or passion or anything it just kinda becomes an addiction
smoky notch
look at how he's talking in that clip
that's not someone enjoying tf2
sure, people get mad
but who talks to people trying to help you like that
crisp cedar
its totally uncalled for i agree
though ill say ive felt angry like this before
not at a game
smoky notch
i used to get angry like that all the time
crisp cedar
but frustration can overwhelm you if you arent good at controlling your emotions
crisp cedar
i just hope he apologized
smoky notch
idc if he did ngl
crisp cedar
if he didnt mention it after that, thatd suck
smoky notch
screaming "shut the fuck up, why did i pick you" is the behavior of a power hungry asshole
craggy ridge
i used to get angry like that all the time
I slowly evolved at being unable to be angry at tf2
smoky notch
that happens, yea
craggy ridge
I slowly evolved at being unable to be angry at tf2
kind of hard to take the server seriously when I am banned from any objective centered servers lol
crisp cedar
but atleast i hope he apologized, itd make me feel better personally because atleast id get confirmation that he doesnt truly think less of me like that
if he just doesnt mention it afterwards id feel concerned
idk im probably treating this like this because i tend to be more tolerant towards anger/frustration
not that it should be normalized
but in times it happens sometimes i get it
shit happens
smoky notch
kind of hard to take the server seriously when I am banned from any objective ce...
idk what this means
smoky notch
but atleast i hope he apologized, itd make me feel better personally because atl...
one sec
crisp cedar
are you gonna look it up
craggy ridge
idk what this means
i am banned from servers that aren't just turbine 24/7
crisp cedar
er
summer steeple
is it entirely because of the way your game looks
craggy ridge
for uncletopia, yes
no idea why i got banned from the aww yeah servers
i think i said mean things about the guy who hosts them in my edgy era
but never directly in his servers
smoky notch
you're banned from uncletopia??
summer steeple
because their game looks like quake live lol
summer steeple
#1072696252162117752 message
craggy ridge
you're banned from uncletopia??
only for 10 years
I am going to make
the most epic comeback
ever
yall better wait
smoky notch
i have seen how puddin plays
honestly, i don't mind it
there's things i'd change
your readability isn't as perfect as you think it is š
craggy ridge
i know i just think it's funny how the game looks
if i wanted max visibility
i wouldn't be using solid color playermodels
i can barely tell the orientation of the classes
and the regular playermodel textures would already stand out from the fullbright solid map textures
i like to use it because it reminds me of untitled goose game's artstyle
smoky notch
ohh ic
jagged pawn
B4nny's shounic era
this is fucking insane
jagged pawn
LOL
rare creek
suggestion for tc2 (hours before submission deadline ): make load_itempreset not wait for item servers and be otherwise unreliable for quick resupply scripts
its used in competitive currently but theoretically gives an advantage to people with a better connection
alternate solution: make it not change loadouts until you hit the resupply locker, so that people with no knowledge of the script aren't at a disadvantage
also if the first solution is implemented, it would be nice if killstreaks carried over after resupplying
wild grove
It isn't because the boxes aren't accurate unless you are in a listen server.
paper sluice
yeah
mystic turtle
:trol;
https://gamebanana.com/mods/429846
I honestly wonder why having hitboxes on is cheating
then again, there are some edge cases where you can get a clear headshot or a good meatshot, what with hitboxes increasing the contrast of enemies
furthermore, in my own case, it would apply a somewhat unfair advantage, as places where I'd normally be handicapped in terms of player vision (read: dark areas like the poorly lit areas at the entrance of Red's base on the ground level of 2fort or literally anywhere with water unless you have water_high
limpid panther
there is also the issue of these being attached to clientside models, so you will not completely solve weird missed hits if you still have jerk and loss
left sand
smoky notch
I honestly wonder why having hitboxes on is cheating
then again, there are some ...
as a sniper, i theoretically could see the hitbox before the person, or more clearly see them in shadow, or water, or a cloaked spy, etc.
limpid panther
https://youtu.be/a_8Hn4Aw5ZM
haters will say its not invite level so it doesn't count
I for one welcome a compilation of cool and fun things to try on comp
crisp cedar
isnt there some dude playing comp tf2 with the beggar's rn
small sirenBOT
limpid panther
"they are still having fun in the game, so it doesn't count"
limpid panther
isnt there some dude playing comp tf2 with the beggar's rn
yes, its the same guy
I think
limpid panther
hoary geyser
goodbye twitch
limpid panther
I wish he took some editing and compilation tips from Uncle Dane
crisp cedar
Twitter
crisp cedar
I wish he took some editing and compilation tips from Uncle Dane
the editing is fine
limpid panther
the clips are too good for the super simple presentation
left sand
holy shit its already may 1
limpid panther
holy shit its already may 1
stooooop šš
I have a bunch of things to do this month, but I don't wanna think about them yet
oh, you mean because of the deadline, right?
I totally forgot about that too
crisp cedar
the clips are too good for the super simple presentation
theyre fine as is
i think editing them would take away from the presentation
and make them unappealing to look at
limpid panther
im not saying for him to make this into a cod montage
just mute coms if they are not relevant, and add some music that goes well with the clips and some of the beats match the best clips
splice in some skits as interlude and you are done
his yells get old fast
crisp cedar
bruuuh this compilation boring ahh fuck š
this is you right now
so boring
needs more music
too long too samey
they need to subtitle everything that they say with text that's moving around slightly
and they need to zoom into the medics that keep dying to the 3 beggars rockets and play the bass boosted funny noise
play the yeet noise too
orchid sorrel
Ok this would make sense if he wasnt screeching after every kill
small sirenBOT
rare creek
I think his video was very good and highly refreshing compared to the b.s. that other channels put out
crisp cedar
Ok this would make sense if he wasnt screeching after every kill
so what
guy is having the time of his life
pure unfiltered reactions to something insane he pulled off
orchid sorrel
so what
Idk you seem to be implying one way of editing is obnoxious while most of the video is just one guy screaming
crisp cedar
but this is a frag video
crisp cedar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV9sUf3DVSo&t=1
this is not a frag video
the reactions given by the team members are integral to the video
if you hate hearing a man scream in excitement because he pulled off something insane in a competitive game i think you just hate people having fun
cursive peak
If they're that insane, they should stand on their own regardless of the person's reaction.
And screamy loud people are obnoxious in general.
orchid sorrel
if you hate hearing a man scream in excitement because he pulled off something i...
Erm bro you dont like funny editing maybe u just hate fun,,,,
lean cove
rayne is right
cursive peak
Various -isms aside, the Mix^ vs Ducks game from one of the ESEA LANs has some goddamn hilarious comms without being screams. "I was 6 pans deep in that motherfucker" is hilarious.
"3hp, 2 more than I needed."
orchid sorrel
Anyway it is good to see someone using more options in high level play
crisp cedar
Erm bro you dont like funny editing maybe u just hate fun,,,,
copium
you all hate me because im totally right
coldsnap agrees and that's all i need
