Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[radiant merlin]

i think

[summer steeple]

oh apparently its radar dishes

hm apparently the bug was specifically with the visuals of it rotating?

I still don't understand what about this is "client-side"

[orchid sorrel]

@left sand @smoky notch thx for playing, sorry if it was a bit painful at times

[left sand]

it was fun throughout

[orchid sorrel]

[left sand]

except for the first 5 waves

[orchid sorrel]

[orchid sorrel]

https://streamable.com/y7tapq

boing

[summer steeple]

a

I looked into a vscript library for some math functions

bruh

well if my current plan doesn't work i can improve my code by using this instead

[mystic turtle]

What are your thoughts on the BFB?

[hybrid cloud]

don't use it very much on account of im not very good with scout

[small siren]

*don't use it very

much on account of im not

very good with scout*

- pathulhu

[hybrid cloud]

but it seems fine

[summer steeple]

I think its very funny that people think (or at least thought) that it displaced hitboxes

[mystic turtle]

From what I've tried of it

It basically forces you to play flank scout

But at the same time, you have to disengage way earlier
Everything causes you to lose speed

[mystic turtle]

Really

How'd they even think that

And even so much as a pyro's stray flames basically removes all your speed

[summer steeple]

I forget why

probably just faster character plus 0 lerp because nearly everyone who managed to spread bullshit about how the game worked used 0 lerp

[mystic turtle]

Also, a Scout with max boost and a conch/disciplinary action buff is the fastest thing on the ground in TF2, right?

I say "on the ground" bc projectiles, trimping, and blast jumping are probably faster

[summer steeple]

I believe so?

[mystic turtle]

Like, I looked up some stats, and I guess the best way to fix it up would be to make it a bit more difficult to drain the scout's boost with chip damage

You lose huge fractions of it by getting shot by heavies from across the map

Or getting burnt

I mean, sure, I get losing boost for running past a sentry or getting meatshot
But getting hit by stray sources of damage is only frustrating

[smoky notch]

i don't think it'd be that op if you only lost it on double jump but lost it completely

[orchid sorrel]

slightly unrelated, but I felt like checking
in MVM both a baby face scout with max movement speed, and an escape plan/conch soldier with max move speed both reach the speed cap of 520 hus

Full demoknight with max move speed and 4+ heads also reaches the cap

ironically, steak + gru with max movement speed actually makes you slower, cutting your speed down from 388 h/us to 310
but mcoms fixed this in one of her recent patches so would b cool to see

[summer steeple]

i forget, how much is max move speed medic with overdose at 100% charge?

i think its a bit faster than scout speed?

[orchid sorrel]

I hopped off for the night, but i think it would reach 520, or at the very least really close to it

[summer steeple]

let me check

499.20hu/s

416 without overdose

so its close

[orchid sorrel]

Whip/disc would make it reach the cap then

Speaking of, hot hand should get the disciplinary stat

[mystic turtle]

Pyro is the supportive "offense" class after all, it would make sense

[mystic turtle]

Hm, interesting
I'd differ tho, some boost loss from something other than double jumping would be necessary
The playstyle the BFB encourages is this hit-and-run flank scout that doesn't stay in extended engagements
Hence the smaller clip sizes of the weapons in the public enemy item set the BFB was introduced in
Taking away boost loss on damage might subvert that
Then again, it's fair either way, at least I don't have to lose my whole boost bc I fought a pyro and ate some afterburn

[left sand]

omg i just randomly thought of a sun on a stick change

On Deploy: Instantly Extinguish
Next melee attack is imbued with the damage of extinguished afterburn
100% critical hit vs burning players
-25% damage penalty

[pliant crater]

A melee weapon that gives an insta-extinguish as scout I would permanently switch to in a heartbeat

I'd imagine it'd need a cooldown on that ability, though

[left sand]

darwins though

[pliant crater]

hmm

eh, good point actually

like, absolutely ZERO complaints will be seen from me about not getting deleted as the scout class by afterburn

[left sand]

yeah and its not afterburn immunity either so you gotta run away first

[pliant crater]

I was just wondering if it'd be an ubersaw situation

[left sand]

which suits scout a bit

i think the other melees are fairly popular and strong?

[smoky notch]

ubersaw is worse than amputator

[craggy ridge]

darwins is the meta and one of the worst designed weapons in the entire game

[smoky notch]

it isn't meta

because pyro isn't meta

[left sand]

razorback

jarate

[smoky notch]

cozy camper

sniper has one(1) bad secondary

[left sand]

cozy camper machina

[smoky notch]

cozy camper bargain

[craggy ridge]

i'm talking about hl, yeah theres no world where anything else than the jarate is meta while it exists

but darwins is easily 2nd place

[smoky notch]

explain to me, realistically

when is a pyro challenging a sniper who can move around

[craggy ridge]

gets rid of afterburn aimpunch

[crisp cedar]

not a bad idea

[left sand]

how can pyro survive shooting a flare

[smoky notch]

why would the sniper let them get close enough, or live long enough to peek them

[craggy ridge]

you don't actually need to peek with detonator because it explodes through walls and mid air

[smoky notch]

you do if the sniper is in position

holding you

[pliant crater]

through walls? what?

[smoky notch]

like he should be

[craggy ridge]

nuh uh

ashville and product are 2 examples that come to mind

you can easily set the sniper on fire without needing to actually peek

and also darwins was the most used secondary before it got banned on rgl iirc 😼

[pliant crater]

Puddin what do you mean by the detonator explodes through walls? Like, does it ignite people even if they're on the other side of a solid wall??

[smoky notch]

funny door

[pliant crater]

Or like, you don't need LOS to det it?

[left sand]

no like you can shoot without having los to the sniper

[pliant crater]

gotcha

[smoky notch]

do you like my funny door

[left sand]

thats a funny door

[smoky notch]

yeah it is

[left sand]

but you should get on the lamp

[smoky notch]

i love you btw you're hot

[left sand]

can someone explain this to me

[smoky notch]

my guess is razorback?

[left sand]

like i understand that some weapons give you reduced max overheal

but afaik, that isn't a bug

it doesn't build at full rate

[craggy ridge]

this is what I mean

[smoky notch]

does it build at full rate if they were damaged?

[craggy ridge]

yes

[smoky notch]

i like how sniper is 🔴

[left sand]

like

this is saying

[pliant crater]

my guess is for weapons like the GRU, where they reduce your max health, so you never technically reach "max" overheal because your max health is lower(?)

[left sand]

95% of the max overheal health

[left sand]

but it doesnt say that

[smoky notch]

gru is just a worse eviction notice

[left sand]

it says overheal penalties

[pliant crater]

yeah idk, what weapon applies overheal penalites other than razorback?

[left sand]

fists of steel

[pliant crater]

ah right

[craggy ridge]

tf2 team considers it a bug

they didn't fix it on other weapons probably out of laziness

[left sand]

yeah but

i dont see how this bug exists anymore

or how it existed in the first place

[craggy ridge]

FOS gives you full uber build speed

[left sand]

yeah ik

i see the bug now, it only considers overheal limit on the medigun

not the wearer

[mystic turtle]

we don't need another spycicle /hj

[mystic turtle]

also, this inverse axtinguisher sounds interesting
and as a bfb main, for better or for worse, this might help with preserving boost
you do not know how much I hate the Pyro v. Scout matchup with bfb when I can otherwise just meatshot and hope they don't use a stock flare on me

[pliant crater]

lmao fair enough

[mystic turtle]

then again, I'm actually quite piqued by this
a temporary fix for getting fucked over for touching ONE flame particle while using the bfb

[left sand]

how is this a bug?

[next nymph]

remember when darwin's was though

https://tenor.com/view/yuck-disgusted-betty-white-golden-girls-nauseated-gif-15737653

[radiant merlin]

Great anothe weapon that is useless whenthere are no pyros

[left sand]

oh, unlocks are supposed to be useful all the time in every scenario, my b

[next nymph]

i think we should keep the sun on a stick the same as it currently is to avoid this issue

[orchid sorrel]

Personally i think replacing boost loss on hit with 100% boost loss on double jump/no double jump at all is a fair tradeoff

Double jump is one of scout’s most important skills, and a mechanic that makes the scout have to consider it as a risk is pretty powerful

Less spammable dj’s make it harder to dodge for example

[orchid sorrel]

Isnt this how the sun stick -already- is?

It would at least make it more unique and interesting to use than diet axetinguisher for pyro

Although you could probably make it work with any debuff

Like bleed, milk etc

[crisp cedar]

👏 make 👏 it 👏 a 👏 fire 👏 boston 👏 basher

[orchid sorrel]

True

Wrap is already a sandman basher

[high current]

But why are you usinging alternate scoreboard icons?👀

[high current]

I think it’d be a fun mechanic if the wrap assassin could deal self damage. Because there’s extremely few occasions where you can manage to actually hit yourself with the bobble, but even if you do it doesn’t make you bleed, which makes that absurdly niche tech useless, aside from canceling crit heals and maybe getting an extra 2% from a buff.

Also I wouldn’t mind the bobble being slightly higher risk, assuming the fix it breaking on a gust of wind, making it bleed if you personally get hit by the splash could be interesting.

[craggy ridge]

Stat card says on wearer

[craggy ridge]

Let me take a guess, not a big fan of the theory of evolution aren't you?

[formal dew]

Maybe make it so that if you pull it out to extinguish, you have to hit an enemy to release the absorbed fire damage boston basher style, if you holster it without hitting an enemy you would explode

[left sand]

it'd be too weak imo then

[left sand]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/480079567458140171/1095619378646622348/doomsex.mp4

[crisp cedar]

doomsex.mp4

[orchid sorrel]

Hoping i can find time over summer to learn vscript

Would be useful for my mvm drg overclocks mod

And no mvm missions have used vscript yet

[wintry marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYMKYHbm-c4

what goes through average turtle engi's head:

attachment issues

I would be too

[hybrid cloud]

engineer players having attachment issues is why his unlocks exist and that makes me a sad boy

[rare creek]

cool doom mod

[lean cove]

you have to hold it out for however long it would take to spot burning normally, else you get set on fire again for that amount of time

[crisp cedar]

ok so

[rare creek]

where is flaming grappling hook

[crisp cedar]

instead of instantly extinguish

[rare creek]

it can't be "doom sex" without flaming grappling hook

then its only "doom"

[crisp cedar]

while deployed, immune to afterburn

as in you take no damage

thats a better sound

ing

implementation of that i think

[left sand]

and it collects the afterburn as damage?

[crisp cedar]

what about fire damage in general

while youre holding it and while youre taking fire damage you collect damage

while youre immune to afterburn you still take regular fire damage so you could like

risk taking some damage for extra melee damage but using the scattergun is probably always going to be better

[paper sluice]

Spycicle but scout

[crisp cedar]

scout has no invis

[potent wolf]

We should do something about that

[crisp cedar]

nunchucks for scout??

[paper sluice]

What

[potent wolf]

what

[crisp cedar]

yknow

invis

ninja

stealthy

shuriken reskin for the cleaver

actually no just a throwable with like 8 ammo

deals low damage but the more times you hit someone in a row the more damage you deal

no sounds fucking stupid

starting to sound like a tf2 fan here

[paper sluice]

👩‍🦲

Why didn’t they steal the apple emoji design for bald people

So much better than the twemoji bald

[crisp cedar]

hot take i think twemojis are the best emojis

this is the best emoji style

and i hate that its a twitter only thing 😭

everyone else's emojis are uckin ugly

[paper sluice]

Real
Apple’s are funny sometimes (bald people) but that’s about it
And the old 🥹 for twemoji was so much better

[next nymph]

https://emojipedia.org/samsung/experience-8.5/grimacing-face/

[spare obsidian]

LOL

[smoky notch]

w h a t

[next nymph]

its 😬

[potent wolf]

how

[next nymph]

old samsung emojis have some bangers https://emojipedia.org/samsung/experience-8.5/smiling-face-with-sunglasses/ but also https://emojipedia.org/samsung/experience-8.5/face-with-rolling-eyes/

[paper sluice]

Wait it’s the :swagega; emote

[orchid sorrel]

Theres an unused attribute for that

Damage scales with accuracy

[left sand]

@summer steeple whats the payload entity called

[summer steeple]

its like 10 entities, which one

func_tracktrain i think is the big one, although teamtrain_watcher (or smth along those lines) handles movement

the actual model is just a physics prop thats constrained to the func_tracktrain

[jagged pawn]

this is sick as hell wdym

[rare creek]

doom 2016 quad damage in tf2??

[radiant merlin]

still waiting for rumford to be added to the map pool

[summer steeple]

rumford never

stuck in holiday hell forever

[cursive peak]

Rumford and Sons

[jagged pawn]

surely they'll add summer rumford next month right

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-emote-clueless-wojak-hmmm-idea-gif-24273230

[cursive peak]

I'd guess the summer update is more July or August than May.

[summer steeple]

may 1st is the deadline

iirc usually its around 2 weeks after deadline?

at least for scream fortress and smissmas

[cursive peak]

Summer updates have traditionally been July/August, though.

[radiant merlin]

you don't need to send your tax info to upload to workshop wtf

[rare creek]

You do if you want to receive any of the income from item sales

[radiant merlin]

will valve pay the submitters?

for community fixes

[rare creek]

for cosmetics and skins, the author gets some percentage of the revenue from the sale of Keys, as well as SCM sales

for maps its map stamps

i have no idea how or if they will pay the creators of community fixes

because the workshop is just meant for actual backpack items

[next nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/kenny-were-the-millers-you-guys-are-getting-paid-will-poulter-gif-15947352

I kinda just assumed that community fixes were for goodwill

[rare creek]

same

[radiant merlin]

i guess the workshop wasn't designed for that kind of submissions

[summer steeple]

yeah its not

its actually kind of a problem, since people just reupload things like maps to the workshop and there's a distinct possibility that valve will just grab it without doing any research

there really should be a separate workshop section for just community made stuff rather than stuff with the intent of being added

[potent wolf]

Is the tf2 wiki down?

[summer steeple]

not for me

but it tends to be slow sometimes

[potent wolf]

oh there we go it was just taking awhile

[left sand]

it's on and off for me today

[potent wolf]

???

is someone doing that thing with the bot again

[summer steeple]

@jagged pawn was it you

[next nymph]

probably responding to the gif i posted recently

[jagged pawn]

I did not 😭

[potent wolf]

don't lie

[summer steeple]

bruh

I had this thing working

it worked one time

and then it stopped

and i don't know why

[radiant merlin]

it isn't working properly since yesterday

[summer steeple]

no no i had a thing working literally 10 minutes ago

[small siren]

*no no i had a

thing working literally

10 minutes ago*

- fiend@fiendroom

[summer steeple]

but now it doesn't work

for some reason this func_rotating isn't accepting inputs from my entity

but it is accepting mine when i send them via the console

[radiant merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/sorse-source-3kliksphillip-achieved-with-gif-23602555

[summer steeple]

like

bruh

[next nymph]

send commands from the entity to the console

problem solved

[summer steeple]

wait i think i figured it out???

I noticed that it stopped, even when it shouldn't when i manually did it

and it stops when it changes the speed

so i think i've fucked that up

yep that fixed it

bruh

[next nymph]

dont you want to change the speed though

[summer steeple]

yeah

i'm gonna try and manually do it via netprops tho

because the ent input does it as a decimal between 0 and 1

so i figure

why not just set the netprop that has the actual hu speed

[orchid sorrel]

https://youtu.be/TuWvjbNpCVY

zamn this looks cool

[summer steeple]

I actually didn't realize crash was working on extinction

unless he just uploaded the trailer

ah right

[next nymph]

wow really impressive to see another ueakcrash original

[summer steeple]

I'm actually not sure if crash is working on any new maps rn

so anyway the issue is that I forget to convert the value of the speed i was setting to a string

because the input firing only accepts strings for values

[summer steeple]

I HAVE DONE IT

still needs some work

but i finally got it

rotating hitbox that works

[paper sluice]

massive win
is this the raid mode you were making awhile back

[summer steeple]

yeah

the first boss i want to make I would like to be long

like, physically

so i wanted a hitbox that could rotate

I also just realized that I have not thought about how the hitbox would move

but thats easier

because it turns out, this engine is pretty good at doing things that move

just not things that are rotating

func_rotating is the only one I could find that actually like... worked

the payload sort of works but its jank

and i couldn't get it to work when i was doing this

[paper sluice]

how'd you get it to work

[summer steeple]

func_rotating

and smartly telling it when and how to rotate

[paper sluice]

ah

[summer steeple]

its actually not parented to the entity at all

its a bit desynced I think maybe? hopefully not a ton

I'm trying to use the function where it stops at the "start" location

[small siren]

*I'm trying to use

the function where it stops at

the "start" location*

- fiend@fiendroom

[summer steeple]

and then i manually change the "start" location to where i want it

I need to take another look into that input actually i'm not sure it works how i want it to

[summer steeple]

oh i didn't realize but its the soldier event

rest in peace

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/437863876587945985/1094870356407369788/image.png

[summer steeple]

cash bot

on an unrelated note

I just played barnblitz pro

and i am honestly confused and baffled

there is maybe 1 or 2 changes on the entire map that I see as a clear and definite improvement

every single other change just seems worse or questionable

and i'm struggling to see the thought process behind the changes

like I was finding myself just angry at the map

because I saw a change and i just was confused as to why it was made

because I didn't see any utility for it

actual parts of the map which I felt could be improved seemed mostly untouched

Like i want to understand because maybe its just something i'm missing

like maybe its better for comp but worse for casual idk

they moved the first and second points like 10 feet further, which I don't understand the reasoning behind

this building is left completely untouched from what i could tell, aside from removing the turntable

I can only assume they wanted to make it so that holds here were less effective

but all that change accomplishes is that if red hasn't set up yet, blu basically skips this area

but if red has set up... nothing has changed

they removed reds first spawn and just made a confusing and long new shortcut from last to first that then closes off

[left sand]

pro versions of maps are just made by some person who named it pro

[summer steeple]

yeah i know

[left sand]

i hate all pro maps

[summer steeple]

but like

with viaduct and badwater I can at least see the thought process

[small siren]

*with viaduct and

badwater I can at least

see the thought process*

- fiend@fiendroom

[summer steeple]

with this one, the only change that I see and say "ok I see the reasoning" is adding boxes here to let you prop jump up here

and closing off this chicken wire

[orchid sorrel]

pro map makers on their way to upload their apline version of a map someone spent months of hard work on

and not credit them in the workshop

[summer steeple]

this flank route right here is egregious tho

all it does is add a sightline into reds spawn, and let red snipers easily and safely start sniping people

like

also last is just so flat and open

it makes it so boring to play

also the prop fades on this map are kind of ridiculous

most props don't seem to fade out (or are unchanged from regular barnblitz)

[small siren]

*most props don't seem to

fade out (or are unchanged from

regular barnblitz)*

- fiend@fiendroom

[summer steeple]

but some (including ones that probably SHOULD be seen) are faded out from not very far away

note that floating lamp

that fence just faded out

the OOB train never fades out

why bother

apparently the same people who did this made product???

well, one person on product isn't on barnblitz pr

but i'm just more confused now

because product has changes which have a clear and understandable utility

whether they're for better or for worse is up for debate, but i understand them

this person like made good maps too

i just... i don't get it

worth noting that earlier tonight I also played a pl map from 2009, which was a choke hell but I still could appreciate it for what it was

but this map just pissed me off to hell and back

idk if its because i know what barnblitz is and am critical of every change or what

[spare obsidian]

pro maps don't try to change the visual style of the map challenge

[summer steeple]

man i like

I feel bad being critical of things

cause i know people worked on it

and I know they probably gave it at the very least a good amount of effort

and wanted it to be good

but i just

idk i don't get it

and tbh i do agree with coms that pro maps usually just suck

[spare obsidian]

pro maps only makes a % of people happy basically

[summer steeple]

products changes are so small that i feel like there's basically no reason to run it

and barnblitz pro's changes are so weird that i also see no reason to run it

badwater pro... i don't even know what it changes outside of the spawns

if its just those then i see a definite improvement there and i could see why it would be run

idk i guess the point i'm trying to make is that the idea of pro maps are stupid

like if its just a small change then was it worth making or running, will it really matter at all

and if its a big change then also why, because at the point that you're making large changes like that i feel like your time would be better spent making a new map with the intent of being "good for comp"

like I can only assume that competitive players already were playing the map if there was a pro version made of it

so was it really that bad?

also, no offense, but competitive players in most games tend to be some of the most closed minded players i've ever seen

you'd think that in an attempt to be the best that they'd be great at adapting and learning new things

but it seems like usually they just get stuck doing the same thing over and over again

would the things these pro maps change even be a problem if these players adapted to them and changed?

if a player used one different weapon, or tried a different approach, would these issues even exist

like sure, people who spend large majorities of their time playing on these maps over and over again are sure to find rough spots on said maps

but are they an issue, or an annoyance

because those are two different things

an issue might not be annoying, and an annoying thing might not be an issue

example: the phlog

annoying, but not really an issue

[spare obsidian]

havw you see shoutnic improved maps?

[jagged pawn]

product remains the only good pro map

it's crazy how much basically one change adds

like I know there are smaller changes but we all know that the hallway is the big one

[jagged pawn]

I do also like summercoast but that one was for sure stolen from the original creator and you can see him complaining about it in the comments so yikes

[next nymph]

cp_orange_pro when

[next nymph]

have you ever tried to play 6s on regular viaduct? It's... not fun

[smoky notch]

is product the one with the hallway?

[high current]

Product adds the connector on concrete which makes flank possible to exist, which is very needed. Because otherwise whoever holds point is guaranteed to win unless your sniper is aimbotting. Other than that it fixes wrap assassin breaking on concrete’s stairs, and changes the panels on the bridge between the house (china) and the cliff.

For badwater_pro, it has been years since I played it, but some notable changes are the door by the first point that leads up to roof, is a 1 way / team specific door until they point is capped. Also the bridge over the cart track between 2nd and 3rd is opened up a bit, with a possible jump between the bridge and the 2nd floor of the building on 3rd. And spawns as you noted.

But yeh the comp community used to be pretty stingy about what pro maps got integrated since most only needed to do minor changes and for whatever reason mappers would try to completely rework stuff. But sometime in the past 1-2 years RGL decided to just use a pro map for almost everything and I honestly dont understand why.

[craggy ridge]

Missile?

Tf2 reference!

[cursive peak]

I can't think of any pro map that's not an upgrade over stock.

Stock Swiftwater is even 95% the old Swiftwater Pro.

New flank into Barnblitz last on Pro is such a relief for getting in.

[craggy ridge]

That's a goos point

I can only think of pro maps that don't change anything like lakeside pro

[high current]

You should have seen the old upward_pro attempts.
Over the years lots of people tried to make upward_pro and added random shit to it instead of just fixing the Teleporter bug spot.
Granted I’m not familiar with the new upward_pro that is used by RGL. But I know the mapper that did a lot of work for RGL and assume they worked on that iteration.

One thing that always confuses me is pro versions of maps that were pro maps before being added to the game. Like process_pro?

[rare creek]

what have you done i have no idea what the fuck im looking at

[next nymph]

fiend has spent the past month trying to create collision on a custom bot

[rare creek]

ohok

[summer steeple]

the source engine sucks ass for collision

so all of my previous attempts at making a collision hull that rotates would just cause it to clip into the player

[jagged pawn]

I don't really have a lot of experience with other pro maps since I don't play highlander so I can't speak on those. but yeah product ruined viaduct for me, you can say it's small changes but they're so important to balance

[craggy ridge]

what do you mean it ruined viaduct

[jagged pawn]

like I hate viaduct now because it just makes me think about product

[craggy ridge]

there's 2 ways of interpreting this and i disagree with both

[hoary geyser]

what is product

[craggy ridge]

even if product didn't exist viaduct would still be one of the worst maps in the entire game

[potent wolf]

pro-viaduct

[craggy ridge]

like how do you manage

to make a koth map

without a single flank route

I am pretty sure

[jagged pawn]

fair

[craggy ridge]

That this is the only map without a flank route in the entire game

[hoary geyser]

I don't really like KOTH in general

[craggy ridge]

Like I can't think of any other map

even Junction has one

[summer steeple]

I can admit to being wrong about product

like viaduct is pretty rough, although i feel like there are better ways to go about a flank route than that tiny ass hallway

[jagged pawn]

it's enough tho

like why change more if that makes the map good

I'd actually prefer pro maps make small-but-impactful changes like that rather than what problitz does

[summer steeple]

I mean more my point is that I don't like playing around that flank route

[small siren]

*I mean more my point

is that I don't like playing

around that flank route*

- fiend@fiendroom

[summer steeple]

not because it exists, but just because of how tight it is

albeit, I haven't played it in 6s

[hybrid cloud]

same but it's not because i have a problem with the mode itself

i think none of the maps are really any good, at best reaching passable status and that's it

[jagged pawn]

yeah that's the big problem with koth, and why competitive mainly relies on maps that aren't in casual

the casual koth map pool is genuinely bad

[summer steeple]

bagel never

[jagged pawn]

valve I swear to fucking god we've had cauldron for years just do it

[hybrid cloud]

it's not like ctf where the mode is just not good

[jagged pawn]

I'd argue that ctf could benefit from better maps too but yeah it's still just not a fun mode at its core

turbine just makes a bad mode worse

[summer steeple]

RD is just CTF but better but it can only do so much

[hybrid cloud]

at the very least ctf i think has way more trouble making maps that work with it

[summer steeple]

doesn't help that the gamemode itself is unfinished

or at least seems that way

[jagged pawn]

but anyway the fact that koth is built around like, kong king, lakeside, sawmill, suijin

that's not the mode's fault

[summer steeple]

suijin is an arena map converted to koth

[jagged pawn]

mhm

[summer steeple]

like its not great for koth

[jagged pawn]

the creators converted it to pd recently and I think it's fun for that

[hybrid cloud]

suijin has more frame problems than any map but people still like it somehow? even though besides those problems it's just not that fun as koth?

[jagged pawn]

it's literally just because it's pretty

[potent wolf]

It's fun as a DM map

[jagged pawn]

runs like shit, plays like shit, but it looks good

[hybrid cloud]

sounds like quite a few maps lately that i can't name off the top of my head because i am a hack

actually wait yes i can i hate pier

[jagged pawn]

I wish that valve would just give in and add the fan-completed versions of asteroid and cactus canyon but they won't

[hoary geyser]

solution: stop having bad computers

[jagged pawn]

people like pier because it's new

[hoary geyser]

pier is pretty cool

[potent wolf]

what?

i like pier because it's fun

except for last

[summer steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-cat-stoned-stoned-cat-gif-25615600

[potent wolf]

last is awful

[summer steeple]

pier is good

[hoary geyser]

also pier can't really be considered new anymore lol

[jagged pawn]

I don't think it's bad but like, if it was added in the era where we were constantly getting maps it would be forgotten

no idea why that's the one that people fawn over tho because cascade is also part of that dark ages map wave and imo more fun

[summer steeple]

agree to disagree

[hybrid cloud]

pier was added in a christmas update

[hoary geyser]

that is true

[hybrid cloud]

it was like, the one sort of alright map and people loved it because it came packaged with actual crap

[summer steeple]

or its just... a good map

i had been wanting pier to be added for years

[hybrid cloud]

nothing about the map is spectacular but it's paired with either lame reskins or just not good maps

[summer steeple]

I mean sure

but i feel like

it can be both

the other maps can be bad and it can be good

[potent wolf]

it's still a solid map

[hoary geyser]

typically non-verified/non-cool/non-contributor behavior

[hybrid cloud]

and if im being honest my hatred for the map comes from uncletopia

because they never switch the fuck off

[summer steeple]

yeah alright fair enough

[hoary geyser]

well, there's more than one uncletopia server

[jagged pawn]

me when I join a 24/7 pier server

[hybrid cloud]

all the no payload servers are dead

[potent wolf]

???

I literally played on a non-payload server yesterday

[summer steeple]

it really depends on the time of day what servers are active

but usually all the payload and all maps servers are full or nearly full

i was surprised when i was able to play the custom maps ones yesterday night

[crisp cedar]

HIRE 👏 FANS

[hybrid cloud]

idk, last time i played nobody ever picked non payload servers

tbf it's been almost 2 months since i played legitimately

i usually played evenings because im working and studying a little bit

[orchid sorrel]

Me when its 98 degrees outside

[next nymph]

cant wait for source 2 for the unreal engine 5 importer

[radiant merlin]

from the tf2emp disc

[spare obsidian]

rip all the tf2 fixes lmao

[paper sluice]

you just email valve for the others..,,.

[spare obsidian]

i what?

[paper sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/kumalala-savesta-kumala-kumalala-kumalala-kumala-savesta-thoms-gif-25639966

[spare obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-moment-rat-gif-22816005

[radiant merlin]

it says that fixes to items created by other people should be uploaded by them

in general most of the fixes in workshop are for content from valve

[small siren]

*in general most of

the fixes in workshop are

for content from valve*

- Ashe wiki.tf

[spare obsidian]

i was referring to this part

from what i can understand is they prefer to have it on a patch form

rather than just the sources itself

[summer steeple]

i don't see how thats an issue

altho i guess that is problematic for me with my maps

oops

oh well, i'll try and keep everything well documented and simple

makes sense tho, its unreasonable to just say "use this instead"

man

[summer steeple]

I have cool ideas for a map, and am excited to work on them

i open hammer

instant "i don't want to do this"

[spare obsidian]

it is why they should make their modelsrc open source in my opinion is hard to explain complex fixes 🤷

same goes with maps

how do we are expected to know when a model gets updated internally? lol

[spare obsidian]

idk i feel this disingenuous, like how do i explain or show in the most consive way a fix that is hard to explain unless you have something on hand?

[wild grove]

Newguy111 is gonna have to write up how to fix the weapon models.

Basically this means that if you are going to change something to models or anything, not only do you have to be the original author if it's a community item, but you have to explain to valve how to replicate the fix if necessary.

I don't know what that means for retexturing like the minigun casing improvement or the ambassador reloaded.

[orchid sorrel]

https://i.imgur.com/hxefvpN.gif

me telling eric smith how to hue shift scout pants

[wild grove]

I assume you have to provide them the source psd to whatever you retextured.

Or maybe you don't since it is a retexture, so the compression won't be as bad if you exported the texture, made changes, and imported.

[wild grove]

This also means that 3-slot loch n load, and revolvers fix is very unlikely to be added as the one that posted it is not the original creator of the weapons.

[orchid sorrel]

personally I dont think valve would really take 3 slot loch anyway

[small siren]

*personally I dont

think valve would really take 3

slot loch anyway*

- DrCactus

[potent wolf]

imo it doesn't look that great

[left sand]

visual balance more important

also demo is drunk

[potent wolf]

what makes you think that?

[left sand]

he wouldnt be able to aim otherwise

[potent wolf]

i see

so that's why sniper mains can't aim...

[paper sluice]

yeah imo its not that good

[next nymph]

if you play mvm with the loch it should add more barrels every time you increase the clip capacity

[jagged pawn]

I'm not necessarily saying that people are dumb for this because I do it too but it's really funny how often people complain about the loch n load still having two barrels while I hardly hear anything about stock having six

[orchid sorrel]

he likes beer

[left sand]

i hear a lot about the stock one too

having a 4 barrel stock would look extremely weird and unreadable

[potent wolf]

exactly, but people think that it has to match the weapon stats for some reason

[orchid sorrel]

you see the same stuff in games like deep rock galactic where people want magazines to update with upgrades/rebalances, but its such a pain in the ass that its understandable most devs dont want to bother

[paper sluice]

it doesnt look that bad in tf2c imo

[summer steeple]

weapons where the model clip size doesn't update is funny

just in general

[jagged pawn]

someone make a syringe gun model that actually has 40 syringes in it

[summer steeple]

like imagine the other way around tho

what if it was 4 barrels and you had 6 grenades

[next nymph]

no, this does look pretty bad

[orchid sorrel]

pov you maxed clip size in mvm

[next nymph]

a flamethrower whose tank would be able to contain that much flammable gas expelled at the regular rate of the flamethrower while maintaining consistent force

[jagged pawn]

LOL

[summer steeple]

i feel like the models were made with the idea in mind of dynamic clip size, sure

[hybrid cloud]

i dont get what looks bad about a 4 chamber grenade launcher

[summer steeple]

but retrofitting pre-existing ones doesn't always work

I think it also helps the less info you give about how the gun works

the size of the ammo, etc.

[next nymph]

It shouldnt be circular if most of the space is gonna be wasted

[summer steeple]

like the less you have to force your players to believe that it works, the better

imo

[cursive peak]

I find it weird how much people hyperfixate on the models.

[summer steeple]

very specific models too

like no one complains at the fact that the scattergun has a clip size of 6 but doesn't have any real way to add more ammo

just pump the lever and it does its thing

same with stickies, altho that i feel might be a bit more believable

[paper sluice]

i feel thats cuz it breaks the laws of everything so much that changing it would ruin its design/its so egregious that it loops back to normal
barrel count is like a small thing that some people are like thats not right

[next nymph]

no one's talking about how the bite out of the dalokoh's bar is inconsistent with the shape of heavy's mouth

[hybrid cloud]

just what i was about to say

[summer steeple]

does the sniper rifle even have a magazine

[jagged pawn]

yeah no one complains about syringes or the scattergun or the rocket launcher they're just like yeah sure

[hybrid cloud]

scattergun is so ridiculously designed it doesnt matter but the grenade launcher isnt too far and away from realistic expectations so it bothers some peop;e

[cursive peak]

I've just always had way more important things to look at than the viewmodels.

[summer steeple]

like i feel like if the game made a point of making these things always be accurate, sure

but tf2 doesn't put much, if any, effort into making the guns believable regarding clips and reloading

it'd be kind of funny if the game had a system to dynamically add more slots to the grenade launcher with a bigger clip size, but I don't really care

[cursive peak]

I basically only have melee viewmodels on at this point.

[hybrid cloud]

i toggle vms

[potent wolf]

transparent vms are so nice...

[radiant merlin]

the loch and loach needs another model imo. something like a shotgun styled gl

[cursive peak]

Sex Update: Updates Loch 'n' Load to be modeled after the Loch Ness Monster's penis

[next nymph]

turn it into a cannon

[next nymph]

renamed to Loch's Load

[radiant merlin]

i remember one custom weapon from tf2c that has a similar model

[cursive peak]

Similar model to Nessie's dick?

[next nymph]

Nessie's 9-ironincher

[orchid sorrel]

nessies what now

[next nymph]

melee for demoman

[orchid sorrel]

they should make the 9 iron war paintable

because that would also mean strange variants

[formal dew]

I wish eric smith luck getting valve modelers to work on tf2 items

[radiant merlin]

https://youtu.be/ougqs2Aezyk

[radiant merlin]

i couldn't find this model in gamebanana

[lean cove]

lmfaooop wtf

[radiant merlin]

only stock, the ambassador and the big kill?

[left sand]

reminder im goated at spy

[orchid sorrel]

[spare obsidian]

this is tf2 in 2030

[lean cove]

how are you at the top of the leaderboard with 03 points

[smoky notch]

83?

[rare creek]

on this episode of shader shenanigans:

[jagged pawn]

is it possible to / does anyone know of any huds that permanently leave the weapon switch menu active? like when you don't have quick switch on and it shows your loadout on the side? I'm working on a hud and want to know if there's a way to implement that (ideally with more minimal, stylized drawings of the weapons rather than just the weapon models)

[rare creek]

you cant

[jagged pawn]

damn

[jagged pawn]

puddincore

[summer steeple]

man i forgot about the weapon switch menu thing

cause i wanted that too

but its like extremely hardcoded

[jagged pawn]

that's tragic

was playing some csgo earlier and I was just like damn why doesn't tf2 have this

[next nymph]

ive toyed with it, with plenty of scripting to help you can keep it up most of the time but not 100% of the time (i think switching weapons is the main one)

(maybe firing weapons too)

[mystic turtle]

I just wiped some enemy sniper bots on my team by deploying my vaccinator shield on an opportunistically positioned spy

It was Borneo second checkpoint
I was following the snipers, who were at the cart
I then noticed a spy under the bridge and gave him the charge
Bro blew through those snipers quick

[lean cove]

the joke:

[smoky notch]

sorry, i thought jokes were funny

/lh

[paper sluice]

/lowheat

[smoky notch]

no

[formal dew]

simmer

[crisp cedar]

boil

[lean cove]

they are 💪

[left sand]

a funnier joke would be to say: those are just backstab and invis cap points

[craggy ridge]

wait what how is that a joke?

like this is just a true o observation

i am confused

she did have 03 points how was she on the top of the leaderboard?????

[rare creek]

hacks

[slender nexus]

because she's a cool awesome dope swag cat 😎

[craggy ridge]

is that really comparable with a guy who has literally awesome in his name?

like don't get me wrong

I am not disagreeing with you

mcoms might be cool awesome dope swag cat

but she being above awesomepossum1121?

now that's whack

like

it's awesomepossum1121

everyone fucking loves that guy

[slender nexus]

awesomepossum121 implies there are at least 120 other awesome possums out there

[smoky notch]

1121

[smoky notch]

she clears

[craggy ridge]

can we get a coms vs awesomepossum1121 mge match?

[craggy ridge]

if there are other 1120 awesomepossums out there that also means that there are 120

so she isn't wrong

[smoky notch]

and only one coms

[orchid sorrel]

Awesome possum is a sega genesis game

Mega boomer

[slender nexus]

she

[craggy ridge]

This dog is so cute

[hybrid cloud]

this dog is j

[orchid sorrel]

[jagged pawn]

out of curiosity do you have any clips of attempts, I wanna see how jank it is

[lean cove]

my bad

you are correct

it’s funny because it’s true

[tacit flare]

Forgot to post this one

https://youtu.be/4kEO7VjKRB8

[paper sluice]

https://i.redd.it/t7es1fcr89ta1.png

🥳

[next nymph]

unfortunately no, its been a while and I remember looking for the script but I dont think I still have it

[jagged pawn]

damn. all good

[potent wolf]

Can the SDK2013 vbsp/vrad/vvis be used for tf2?

[spare obsidian]

technically yes

sdk2013mp to be exact

[potent wolf]

technically?

is there a catch?

[spare obsidian]

no, if you're going to use sdk2013 tools use the MP ones since the SP ones doesn't have prop lightmapping

[potent wolf]

ah

thanks

[spare obsidian]

i mean basically the tools has never been change on the tf2 life spam, the only instance was the jump from sdk2007 to sdk2013

[summer steeple]

so i mentioned a few days ago when soundboards launched on discord that my friend added the dead ringer decloak to it

one of our friends, who was watching us play, used it to great effect

I don't think i've ever 180 turned as fast in all my hours in tf2 as i did this night

[mystic turtle]

Lmfao

[wintry marlin]

I watched the 2 week old turkey video and learning what they actually said makes me feel like having a coughing fit

I can never look at discord engineer pfps the same way

the dispenser euphemism

anyway I'm done

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DhGYqGKcy0

[craggy ridge]

Oh my god i just had the longest fucking dream in my entire life

It felt like 2 hours and a half

It was a Ace Attorney style argument for if the blue scouts pants should also be blue or not

[crisp cedar]

they should be blue i dont care what anyone says

[next nymph]

so? should they?

[craggy ridge]

Shit stained scout pants supporters when a playermodel texture gets improved

[next nymph]

is that what pheonix wright said

[crisp cedar]

why would he say that

[orchid sorrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/480079567458140171/1096961394571755550/jump_rope.gif

[spare obsidian]

@orchid sorrel are these missions going to be part of the potato archive server? 🤔

[orchid sorrel]

ye, the one in the gif is already on it

bigrock - numerator

https://streamable.com/mhhav9

[spare obsidian]

hey is me or one of the missions on the new april fools event crashes the server?

a friend of mine says that the server dies in the last wave where you fight againts a MGS rider rip off

[orchid sorrel]

Moonlight is running some weird branch of our rafmod plugin, so I assume they've been having issues with that

[spare obsidian]

i see

i mean oddly me and some guys we did managed to beat that wave before the server crash

after that the server would always crash on that wave and switch to another mission

[summer steeple]

gonna work on a hud

lets see how long i can last before i get frustrated and stop

[spare obsidian]

is vgui

you're gonna give up once you see the insane amount of .res files

[summer steeple]

no thats not the thing that stops me

i've already started this hud

but it is just vgui in general

just so tedious

change value, reload, change value, reload

[cursive peak]

Main menu was always the worst part for me.

[summer steeple]

yeah that too

its so tedious that I want to make a visual editor for vgui

[spare obsidian]

its funny how apex legends not only uses vgui but they just improved it on many ways lol

[cursive peak]

And the end of round crap.

It'd be nice if there was a WYSIWYG editor for TF2 HUDs. Quake Live has one that's web based, and it's nice.

[next nymph]

there was a few attempts at it (hudcreator.co.uk for example) but the biggest difficulty is that tf2 huds are fairly bulky for what they are

[summer steeple]

bulky in what way?

[cursive peak]

Half a million res files?

[summer steeple]

true

[next nymph]

there's just a lot of elements, yeah

[cursive peak]

When I made mine, I just picked a thing, got it exactly how I wanted it, and then picked another thing until I was done.

[summer steeple]

for me the frustrating thing is that I often have trouble getting it just how i want it, and swap back and forth between values thinking that neither of them look good

[next nymph]

like if you just wanna get health and ammo and maybe some misc stuff like damage numbers? Sure, a WYSIWYG editor could do that (maybe a bit annoyingly with stuff like low health animations, but it could). It's less practical when you're looking at the 1000th panel that's just on the screen in specific situations but still needs to be positioned based on where you put everything else

[summer steeple]

yeah...

[cursive peak]

My biggest trouble with starting was just how daunting a task it seemed with all those files and elements.

[orchid sorrel]

anybody wanna play some custom/reverse mvm? just potato archive stuff

[summer steeple]

I had been thinking about how i'd make an editor and i came to the realization pretty quickly that there would need to be a pretty comprehensive list of basically hardcoded behavior

like it wouldn't be as simple as just doing a baseline VGUI editor, you'd need to account for all the stuff you can't change

or can, but not easily

[cursive peak]

Build it off the leaked sourcecode?

[summer steeple]

yeah, but its still a lot

[spare obsidian]

it doesn't help that the vgui editor its just garbage

[next nymph]

I think the best way to learn hud editing is to mod an existing hud and focus on a few things at first: changing health position and fonts, changing ammo, etc

[cursive peak]

Initially, I just wanted to edit a HUD, but then that got too massive, so I started from scratch.

I'd been doing tiny edits, but I wanted to do a font swap, but the font sizing was super different from the existing one, so it snowballed.

[summer steeple]

yeah I can see how quickly it can spiral out of control

[lean cove]

would be happy to

whats the ip?

[summer steeple]

one of the things I thought about while brainstorming this editor is that it probably would be helpful to essentially mark what hud elements will always be visible, or potentially be visible, when editing a file

[cursive peak]

If the fonts are more or less the same size, you can just do a find and replace.

[orchid sorrel]

steam://connect/96.244.7.85:27080

[lean cove]

@unborn pecan @teal sand @grim parcel anyone wanna mvm?

[lean cove]

is there a pack I can download instead of waiting for fastdl?

[next nymph]

I mean, in truth, there are 0 elements that are always visible

[orchid sorrel]

https://archive.potato.tf/servers

[summer steeple]

more what i meant by that was like

[orchid sorrel]

theres an option for with/without maps

[summer steeple]

the currency stuff isn't always visible when say, the health is visible

[lean cove]

thanks

just loaded in so I'll dl it next time

[spare obsidian]

idk man, vgui in source couldn't suck less if the process of making it was less painful and more because some of the settings that you can set also some flags to use for position and scaling are either undocumented

or straigh up doesn't work

[summer steeple]

yeah i was making a doc of every single panel type in the game lmao

should get back to that

[spare obsidian]

there's like a fucking scaling flag that exist that just straigh up doesn't work

also iirc #include doesn't work on res

or it was #base?

i don't remenber

[summer steeple]

both should work? but i see #base so i know that 100% works

[spare obsidian]

then another case of VDC misinforming lol

[summer steeple]

also a frustrating thing about so many of the panels in tf2

[spare obsidian]

are copy and paste

[summer steeple]

well yes

but a lot are only accessible from specific files

and they tend to expect specific names

[next nymph]

I'm actually more surprised by how often #base works in files. Like I think it even works in mod_textures.txt for some reason ??

[summer steeple]

weird

another thing I hate

[next nymph]

I'm not complaining, it's useful

[summer steeple]

hold on let me re-type that

I don't hate that

i was going to go into another side tangent about a different thing i hate

what i hate is some hyper specific like... flags?

this would be so helpful if it was available to all panel types

not just very specific ones

[next nymph]

I just assume they aren't available until proven otherwise

[small siren]

*I just assume they

aren't available until

proven otherwise*

- JarateKing

[summer steeple]

I think they're manually defined for each instance

because nearly every panel in the game is based on editable panel, and they basically just make a new class that inherits that

[spare obsidian]

see that's why i don't like vgui lol

it has its weird error

and when you want to debug a error

the engine does NOT make it easy

[summer steeple]

very specifically added when needed

[next nymph]

when you get past the basics, hud editing is finding weird behaviors to use as workarounds for weird behaviors of the game

[summer steeple]

so this technically isn't even like.. defined in the class

[grim parcel]

ye

oh potato.tfd

cool

[rare creek]

alias "fuckupnetwork" "kill;wait 200;cl_interp 500;cl_interp_ratio 500;cl_updaterate 100;cl_cmdrate 0"

[grim parcel]

@lean cove kick someone

[rare creek]

play as sniper with the machina with this

[summer steeple]

helpful command btw cl_obj_fake_alert

[rare creek]

what does it do

[summer steeple]

starts an engi building alert

like sapper

without having to fuck around with a bot or smth to place a sapper on your building

[next nymph]

helpful command quit

[grim parcel]

damn it i was going to make that joke

[next nymph]

type quitsmoking into console for a funny easter egg

[rare creek]

type killserver to kill the server and troll your friends 😈

[summer steeple]

is there some way to manually scale an icon instead of having it use wide and tall of either itself or the image file?

[next nymph]

type alias +back "play ui/gamestartup3.mp3; wait; +back" into console to crash the game when you press +back

[summer steeple]

thanks i'll try that

[next nymph]

glad to help

[summer steeple]

ugh i'm gonna need to either make my building UI smaller somehow or try to make the alerts look good when they're not as tall as the rest of the UI

[next nymph]

i vaguely feel like there might be but if there is i dont remember it

[summer steeple]

from what I can tell of the icon panel code there isn't, but i could be wrong

[lean cove]

we just finished

mb

discord browser doesn't do notifs

we're going to a new one

u can join now i think

[grim parcel]

ip?

[lean cove]

#1072696252162117752 message

[grim parcel]

[lean cove]

wtj

wait a littl

e

[orchid sorrel]

gonna grab a new server

[lean cove]

aight cool

[orchid sorrel]

steam://connect/96.244.7.85:27050

[lean cove]

@grim parcel vc?

[summer steeple]

hm i'm not sure if i messed something up or if this fake alert command breaks the "slide in" animations for the alert

oh i think i see what I did, I manually positioned the sapper icon and hid the alert tray

no wait that shouldn't work i don't think

[high current]

A lot of times you can also manually edit the visible to be 1 for elements where it’s set to 0 and by default. That’s sometimes helpful

[lean cove]

cya getcher

[grim parcel]

oh shit i didn't get this notif either

and yeah sorry for leaving early, my mom just asked me to do some stuff

[lean cove]

no its alr

i know how it is lol

at least it wasn't in a csgo comp match lol

[high current]

Let me know how it goes.
Honestly once you get familiar with it, you can become a lot faster with guessing position and size values.

Also as far as the editor goes, I’ve been toying around with the idea as an on going project for when I’m committed to properly learning a coding language, since it’s not particularly difficult, just more so tedious and nuanced. It’d definitely either need to work around the odd hardcoded things or be more of an aid.
I was thinking it’d either be like a generalized editor that tweaked the base values and had some kind of “understanding” of their implementation in the game, though things that are strictly hardcoded like targetID or whatever would either need to just downright have a warning for not being supported or some other kind of consideration.
That or just a visual aid where you position and size things and set various values, then it generates generalized code that you could maybe just replace fieldnames of or just copy the values to where you want. Sorta just a skeleton design tool I suppose.

[summer steeple]

I mean this isn't my first rodeo

i go through this whole thing every other month or so

as for the editor, I was honestly considering a full on VGUI emulator

[left sand]

maybe we can land a vgui editor next update

[high current]

Main thing with an editor is that I feel like it’d fall into a similar category as like visual programming languages. Where it’s neat and a good tool for people learning in a more intuitive way, but would be less efficient than just straight coding for people who are very familiar with it.

[high current]

Vgui build mode👀

[summer steeple]

an ingame one? i suppose i might be able to try that

I know there is a very extremely barebones and i assume unfinished one already

[high current]

I think someone has used it relatively extensively. Maybe Jofre? Or someone else in the huds.tf discord. I haven’t messed with it too much, but my understanding is it generates over generalized suboptimal code and I’m too OCD for that.

As in, it includes “autoresize” in elements and I think all instances of that should be removed from history.

[summer steeple]

lmao

[spare obsidian]

build mode is well

lack cluster lol

you can't use on in-game panels has far has i remenber

[orchid sorrel]

@lean cove ggs

[spare obsidian]

nor the hud itself

[high current]

I looked at it briefly to see if it had a complete list of elements to benchmark. It doesn’t, you gotta go to the source code for that, but I think there is a convenient list in a single file actually.

[spare obsidian]

tbh vgui build mode should use imgui lol

[summer steeple]

how do you access build mode again?

[spare obsidian]

iirc CTRL + ALT + SHIFT + B

[summer steeple]

hm, doesn't want to work

VDC also says its that

so idk whats up with that

i know i've opened it before

oh ok randomly it worked lmao

[spare obsidian]

yeah that's something i was about to brough up

sometimes it works

sometimes it doesn't

[summer steeple]

oh my god i see why

[lean cove]

yeah that was fun

[summer steeple]

you need to have the hud element like... selected

[high current]

I thought you had to launch with -tools launch option. But I think in TC2 it’s accessible by default

[lean cove]

looking forwards to the full missions

[summer steeple]

like you know how you have 1 window on your desktop as the "active" one

you have to do that

but most of the hud elements don't let you do that

[spare obsidian]

yeah for the main menu that's kinda useless :P

same goes for the hud

[high current]

Ah yes. The main menu and the hud. The whole hud pyramid.

[summer steeple]

it basically only works for menus like this

[high current]

So it’s vgui 1 editor? That’s vgui 1 right? The less-shit stuff is vgui 2, that’s the distinction?

[spare obsidian]

also you can apparnetly edit the build mode editor

with the build mode

[summer steeple]

yeah you can lol

[spare obsidian]

lol

that's why i say is better to move that to imgui

lol

[lean cove]

qml in tf2 wen??

[heavy solar]

@lean cove has leveled up! (57 ➜ 58)

[high current]

Also pro tip:
vgui_drawtree 1 is sv_cheats blocked. HOWEVER, +vgui_drawtree is not.

[summer steeple]

oops

[high current]

I like how tf2 errors read like they’re narrated by the voice actors. “Rendering will be bad!”

[orchid sorrel]

we're slowly grinding away at them, so either this summer or later we can expect a release

[summer steeple]

i have committed crimes against robot god

2 upgrade bars

(the second doesn't function)

[orchid sorrel]

fear

[summer steeple]

sometimes i wonder what warranted this sort of thing

[craggy ridge]

I have to manually disable my mods to play casual otherwise some textures just go invisible

and I can not morally play with the ability of seeing people through walls

grrr

[hoary geyser]

pudding confirmed cheating

[rare creek]

BANNED from uncle topia...

[craggy ridge]

no that only happens in casual

i don't even play casual lol i just joined to see what would happen

[small siren]

*i don't even play

casual lol i just joined to

see what would happen*

- Puddin

[hoary geyser]

sure pudding, but you're still banned from the offical mastercomfig tf2 server...

[craggy ridge]

i have never joined that server

[hoary geyser]

deny it all you want, we know you cheated on the offical mastercomfig tf2 server

[craggy ridge]

i didn't even know there was a tf2 mastercomfig server

[hoary geyser]

everyone but you knows, because you are banned from it

[orchid sorrel]

https://imgur.com/a/NhzJFbv

heres a break down of the other bigrock nav exploit

Also:
TF_COND_INVULNERABLE_HIDE_UNLESS_DAMAGED should ignore knockback to prevent spawnroom stalling/griefing

Attribute miniboss doesnt ignore pre baked knockback from Scorch/Loose unless ubered
Sentry Buster's knockback immunity during detonation stopped working around the same time those 2 weapons broke

[lean cove]

@teal sand @unborn pecan @grim parcel tc2 playtest?

[spare obsidian]

@left sand

nice finding Cactus

[orchid sorrel]

the other exploit is far simpler

[spare obsidian]

i though it was just nav mesh being silly on that rock

[orchid sorrel]

a lot of spots in bigrock just dont have navs for some reason

[spare obsidian]

but seems its far more than that

[orchid sorrel]

there are 2 different exploits

the more common one just involves jumping on the rock from behind, so bot ai will think you're still behind it

the teleporter exploit is a more recent discovery tho

[left sand]

good idea

[left sand]

thanks for isolating it a bit more

[orchid sorrel]

[orchid sorrel]

steam://connect/us.potato.tf:27023

playtesting some community mvm stuff if anybody wants in
(Live TF2)
6/6

[rare creek]

of all things to be cheat protected

why?

[left sand]

because

it would remove some stuff

[spare obsidian]

because while the name its misleading

the functionality of it its it removes decals under the crosshair

[summer steeple]

I noticed earlier today that all of the hud charge bars in my hud were pure white, and i thought i maybe had forgotten to color them

i did not

[grim parcel]

classic fiendhook moment

[left sand]

cant believe i got 2 rare achievements in TC2

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480079567458140171/1097421566691790928/image.png

i noticed this in a friends inventory

does anybody know how that happens

a graded item with loaner text

[wintry marlin]

borrowed from mann co store

it's a weapon reskin, so it should be available

I'm guessing.

[orchid sorrel]

graded items arent in the store

and this has no expiration date

[wintry marlin]

steam support might have to do with it then.

[high current]

Welcome to hell lol.
I think you can add a colored modulate texture on top of them to take advantage of additive color blending to recolor the bars.
Someone recently showed that off in the hud discord

[summer steeple]

interesting

[next nymph]

minor correction: modulate is subtractive. Additive is another unrelated thing that increases the color values instead of decreasing them, and is also a little bit more well known

[high current]

Ah. I knew it was one of the two and picked the wrong one. :(

[summer steeple]

hmm, interesting although wouldn’t i have to use modulate since the color values are full white anyway?