Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[high current]

jet pack?

[next nymph]

my ideal direction for pyro would be to go hard in support, though I'm not sure what that'd look like exactly

[hybrid cloud]

did they think 175 hp / 100% movespeed would be enough

[hybrid cloud]

he already is pretty much hard support

airblast is all he's ever used for in non pub scenarios

[high current]

eh, flame thrower is good at dealing a ton of small bits of damage, because its like a shit minigun with bullet pen. So no dispenser armor

[rare creek]

doesn't the flamethrower have a lot of damage falloff

dragon's fury is basically full damage at every range

[small siren]

*dragon's fury is

basically full damage

at every range*

- unsubtract

[hybrid cloud]

its cut in half at the very tip of the flames yea

[next nymph]

but it's always been really weird because their utility is always secondary things. Like they have this powerful damaging weapon, but one of its main uses is just to spycheck. They have airblast as a tacked-on thing, but you'd think its meta use would be to hard counter projectile classes and instead its mostly to deny ubers. Pyro's meta is a utility class but you can't tell that to a new player

[craggy ridge]

i just think you need to make flames do damage and the slightly nerf airblast

[hybrid cloud]

~85 dps if it's the on paper maximum

[next nymph]

and it's like, pyro doesn't really seem to fit well within that role either? Like yeah, pyro offers some utility to counter some things, but its like it's just because pyro doesn't have anything else to do instead of those things actually being necessary roles to fill

[hybrid cloud]

realistically if you're melee marth-ing people with flames it's gonna do sub 50 dps

because it's extremely easy to reset flame damage

i would agree that none of pyro's support role abilities are things that needed to be fulfilled

they make the game more boring at least for me because of how much they can contribute to slow down

[left sand]

pyro should deal min DPS at all times

[craggy ridge]

blue moon:

[left sand]

but rampup lifesteal

[craggy ridge]

Wdym

[zealous pond]

Min damage but returns all damage dealt as health.

[left sand]

what max dps is, you get that as health

xd

[zealous pond]

Perfectly reasonable.

[orchid sorrel]

Blue moon brought the weird “look up to do more damage to the tank” quirk

I dont like it, very unintuitive for new players

[daring tiger]

what about the "look down to airblast players straight up" quirk

that's the most sensible one

[craggy ridge]

that was ji

[daring tiger]

that's not the point?

[jagged pawn]

bro what lmfao

[jaunty willow]

as a person that plays pyro with DF from time to time, yes the cooldown actually hampers your ability to reflect spam effectively

[left sand]

@smoky notch

[smoky notch]

us!

[summer steeple]

I think they specifically meant with my concept of the DF being all about cooldown management and having the primary attack lowering the cooldown of the airblast

[jaunty willow]

hmm

[orchid sorrel]

ham

[jaunty willow]

I think it could be balanced like this, if you hit a projectile with the DF airblast it should take the airblast cooldown of the stock flamethrower, if you miss your airblast it should apply a cool down penalty as a punishment for missing/misstiming

that way players wouldn't try run into enemies for solely airblasting them for free, but would encourage to prefer reflection of enemy projectiles

[zealous pond]

Bring back V1 and we're golden.

[jaunty willow]

wdym v1?

[zealous pond]

Release DF.

[jaunty willow]

ah

well V1 had a bigger sized "damage bonus" hitbox if I recall

[hybrid cloud]

the damage bonus hitbox was the entire hitbox

[zealous pond]

It had no sweetspot.

[jaunty willow]

wait really?

[hybrid cloud]

and was also huge

bigger than today

[jaunty willow]

yea that too

[zealous pond]

That doesn't matter though.

Because it's range limited it balanced out.

[hybrid cloud]

not really

[jaunty willow]

well it made dodging it significantly harder

and you can dodge normal flames

soo...

[hybrid cloud]

kinda pointless to make a weapon based on accuracy and then make hitboxes as large as a heavy

[zealous pond]

Making Pyro aim for an arbitrary sweetspot on a range-limited weapon that isn't anywhere near as versatile as the sort used by other projectile weapons like GLs and rockets is kinda dumb.

[hybrid cloud]

big hitboxes are also pretty dumb especially when it's tied for fastest in game projectile

[zealous pond]

Juke or outrange him then.

Like it was hardly OP.

[hybrid cloud]

it was overtuned

i don't think the hitbox needed to be that large

[zealous pond]

It can't be overtuned if it still sucks compared to rockets and pipes.

It's on Pyro.

And being range limited is a bummer.

[hybrid cloud]

the problem with current df is that none of its hitbox mechanics are intuitive

[jaunty willow]

I guess

[hybrid cloud]

also it's a legit flashbang

[zealous pond]

Pyro doesn't have the mobility that other classes have to compensate for being range limited so the weapon is still less useful overall.

[hybrid cloud]

doesn't justify the huge hitbox

[zealous pond]

The thruster doesn't count.

It's trash.

Det is really weak.

[jaunty willow]

and aside from DF, the DPS of the flamethrower is in multiple situations lower then it should be

for example near walls sometimes

[hybrid cloud]

pyro's problem as like in his core design is that he's entirely based around being unavoidable once he is in range which isn't fun

[zealous pond]

I'm still having a hard time understanding why its hitbox is a problem. It's slightly easier to use?

Not a big deal.

[hybrid cloud]

i do not want that at least for the fury

[zealous pond]

Because it's constrained in ways other weapons in its class aren't from the get go I think that allowance is justified.

[hybrid cloud]

i don't think that's enough

[zealous pond]

Trust me, you weren't going to see DF Pyro suddenly dominate the game's meta.

[hybrid cloud]

pyro getting in range isn't impossible

[zealous pond]

It's still Pyro.

[hybrid cloud]

it's an inevitability bc the game is cqc and based around objectives, i don't really care if pyro has no mobility if getting near him means you have as little chance to escape flames as possible

[zealous pond]

Okay so like Heavy?

Heavy has hitscan and also destroys at the range where DF is most effective.

[hybrid cloud]

heavy is almost purely defensive and would be trash if he stayed as he is with less damage

[zealous pond]

Pyro isn't much of an offense class either. He's kinda middling at everything.

[hybrid cloud]

i think being bad but really easy to use isn't good design

[small siren]

*i think being bad

but really easy to use

isn't good design*

- Pathulhu

[zealous pond]

We're not really discussing Pyro's design though, just the DF in the context of the game's design.

DF was hardly OP.

People just needed to adapt.

[hybrid cloud]

weapons can have issues without being overpowered

[zealous pond]

Yeah, if their mechanics don't work properly.

[jaunty willow]

I gotta say, I barely see DF players in general

be it back then and now

[hybrid cloud]

or if they don't fit the game / need to be tested more

[zealous pond]

The DF didn't really need more testing.

[hybrid cloud]

i think it did considering the hitbox was big enough to hit people behind you lol

[zealous pond]

Like yeah, it had a decent sized hitbox and the projectile is 3000 hu/s but it still required some prediction.

It took more skill than flames.

[hybrid cloud]

not a high bar to pass

and df did the bare minimum at launch

[zealous pond]

I think people are too hung up on the skill-to-effectiveness ratio.

[orchid sorrel]

well, more like a sour spot

[zealous pond]

And like I said before, given Pyro's inherent limitations and the weapon's lack of range, that ratio was fine.

[orchid sorrel]

they nerfed the fireball size while also adding a sour spot to the hurtbox

does anybody remember ARMaster

[hybrid cloud]

i think people care about whether aspects of tf2 are interesting to fight or not and oversized hitboxes aren't fun to face against

[hybrid cloud]

requires pyro players to aim

[zealous pond]

A lot of things aren't "interesting to fight" by heavily subjective standards.

What you find interesting to fight, I may not.

[hybrid cloud]

most people who play pyro pick pyro because they don't wanna do that

[zealous pond]

If Valve balanced around that then half the game would have been excised and you'd be left with Quake.

[hybrid cloud]

players and communities can come to common conclusions based on discussion and experience whether or not subjectivity is included in there

there are classes more effective than pyro dragon's fury or not and he still gets a huge chunk of complaints

[zealous pond]

Then just ignore the complaints.

Which Valve should have done.

[hybrid cloud]

no

valve should learn to test their games before releasing updates for them

[zealous pond]

They did test it.

It was fine.

[hybrid cloud]

lok

[zealous pond]

People just don't like Pyro being powerful.

[hybrid cloud]

lol

pyro being strong was never a problem

[zealous pond]

Is that so?

[hybrid cloud]

nobody likes pyro being buffed in a vacuum because he was always designed to be extremely easy to use

[zealous pond]

I've been around for a while and every time Pyro got anything good it's been tweaked or nerfed due to complaints.

[hybrid cloud]

because valve has no clue what they're doing with pyro

years of player experience and criticism and they never realized that the whole issue with pyro is that he has no way to get close to people so to make up for it the flamethrower is just a spray weapon

[zealous pond]

Or maybe the people that are very loud on forums have a very narrow and inflexible perspective on what qualifies as "fun."

[hybrid cloud]

no

pyro was extremely strong during jungle inferno because you could basically do 170 dps guaranteed to everybody regardless of how many hitboxes you connected

[zealous pond]

Yeah that was refreshing.

[hybrid cloud]

i wouldn't have cared if they kept the damage

but they nerfed it without genuinely addressing why it was a problem

it was like if you did 112 damage on rocket splash no matter how close or far people were from the explosion

honestly, i would love a pyro that can melt people

but valve refuses to address the spray issue so that's never happening

[high current]

Just give pyro lightning gun from quake like Gabe intended and call it a day.
Then remove heavy’s mini gun and give him the ability to twerk.

[craggy ridge]

I practically never infodump about things that i like, i always have this feeling that the person listening to what i am saying will get bored/annoyed and start to hate me

[high current]

People tend to like when you talk about what you like if they like you. Granted if they like you, you usually have common interests and you’d be best served info dumping about that or something they inquire about your interests. Videogames still aren’t usually one of those, but it’s getting to be a less effective birth control.

[craggy ridge]

The things ik a lot of random info about like TF2 and historical facts about socialist countries (idk why) are not on other's people radar

"Let me talk about you about this random ass 15 year old game that you have never heard about"

Even if they are interested on what i am saying my paranoia makes me think their expression looks like they want to see me get run over by a bus

[high current]

I usually have like an elevator pitch for 6s and my role in it for if someone asks. And if they want to know more I just let them prompt for it. Something along the lines of “it’s a 6v6 gamemode and there’s a few different roles in it, the one I happen to play is all about being in the right place at the right time to help teammates fight”. As like the most broad, no knowledge required, explanation of flank scout.

But some people just like hearing about stuff you’re good at. Also there’s people into historical facts about socialist countries, especially if you have reasonable opinions or justifiable opinions about it.

[left sand]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933010956194283621/1091849897197703209/sylwester.gif

[smoky notch]

so fast,,,

[potent wolf]

flyyy

[craggy ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/637905382399934487/861231515463974912/Team_Fortress_2_2021-07-04_21-03-01.mp4

[smoky notch]

wtf

[rare creek]

this will be tf2 when they remove TF_COND_KNOCKED_INTO_AIR

[craggy ridge]

There's more https://viora.isgay.lol/airblast.mp4

[craggy ridge]

Millions must airstrafe

Billions even

[paper sluice]

I still don’t get this meme

[next nymph]

angry video game nerd

[crisp cedar]

hahahahahhah wtf is this

[paper sluice]

Compress yo damn videos I can’t load this

[high current]

It’s under 8mb presumably

[zealous pond]

Team Fortress 2.

[potent wolf]

what's that?

[paper sluice]

Uploaded to nitro boosted server then used link 🥹

[zealous pond]

I dunno.

Some unfinished comic I think.

[potent wolf]

[formal dew]

After 26 years in development, hopefully it will have been worth the wait

[orchid sorrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/866746185456549900/1082843228144947320/koishi.gif

[radiant merlin]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4866

i think this was fixed

recently

[left sand]

o

[radiant merlin]

someone please test

[radiant merlin]

classic valve

[lean cove]

this doesn’t load

[craggy ridge]

It does tho

[summer steeple]

it didn't load for me on mobile but it works nowthat i'm on desktop

[orchid sorrel]

https://streamable.com/679ujp

chainsaw shenanigans

[mystic turtle]

Just booted into TF2 yet again
I don't know why I still played it, I kept dying and dying

The only people I can frag are noobs on community 2fort
I literally got wiped by people in casual

[wintry marlin]

https://youtube.com/shorts/0nrPXuGuHMo

[high current]

My highlander team years ago would call any place near that rock model “dick rock”. Was actually a really useful callout.

Also the clipping of it is weird so you can place sticky bombs inside any curve on it and they’ll go fully or partially inside it and be invisible.

[jaunty willow]

"medic low on cock rock"

[unborn pecan]

@left sand @lean cove what is the best anti cheat plugin for sourcemod

[rare creek]

PunkBuster Anti-Cheat

[unborn pecan]

bruh I had to look that up

ancient

[rare creek]

lol

featured in such amazing games as:

• quake 3 arena

[unborn pecan]

🤯

erm oh my gosh

Quake 3 ARENA?

got damn!

[rare creek]

and call of duty 4: modern warfare

and crysis

and most importantly: need for speed: prostreet (according to wikipedia)

[hoary geyser]

I remember the dark days in need for speed prostreet before punkbuster anti-cheat

[rare creek]

i don't (i was -0 years old)

[next nymph]

need for speed prostate

[rare creek]

ryan cooper moment

[crisp cedar]

wanna play

waitnvm

i dont wanna plaly quake on high ping

[rare creek]

depends on which one

quake champions at 120 ping is still way more playable than tf2 at 60 ping

quake 1 is unplayable above 50 ping for me

[unborn pecan]

I don't have quake

but

🫡 I now have a tf2 server

it's like uncletopia with the class limits and all

but all tf2 maps

and sprays

[potent wolf]

[unborn pecan]

yes it's awesome

@potent wolf erm what the glub

[potent wolf]

sprays

[unborn pecan]

i make sprays sue me

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/866084417813872670/1069615953840705648/971867344198570026.gif

me rn

(swag as fuck)

[jagged pawn]

turn the sprays off

[crisp cedar]

i play quake live

or quake 3

in mp

[grim parcel]

ip?

[unborn pecan]

never

[unborn pecan]

no not yet

I mean

[potent wolf]

yes give us the ip

[unborn pecan]

I don't wnana just freely give it out, it's being hosted at my house

isn't that dangerous

[potent wolf]

true, i could blow ur house up...

[unborn pecan]

😭

Alright I got work to do

peace

[grim parcel]

i mean unless the server software you're using has a vulnerability or you have more than the port you're using forwarded, it's mostly fine

[lean cove]

then why do you care about an anticheat

if its a private server

[grim parcel]

just enable vac, best anti cheat

[paper sluice]

Tf2 players taking about how much they love the artstyle as they load their flat texture no skybox minimal textures mod

[hybrid cloud]

tf2 players talking about how much they love the art style and then equipping the eye see you and potassium bonnet with a burning flames effect (both are painted green)

[smoky notch]

not scorching?

(btw, the over the top silly stuff has always been a part of tf2s art style, i never understood that complaint)

[hybrid cloud]

it's about the aesthetics of the setting

like yea the game was always over the top but in a contained way

[small siren]

*like yea the game was

always over the top but

in a contained way*

- Pathulhu

[smoky notch]

there's nothing contained about demomans design wym

people just like to bitch

[left sand]

youre pretty

[smoky notch]

YOU'RE PRETTY

[hybrid cloud]

idk i think there's a pretty observable difference between cold war spytech parody and this

[smoky notch]

yeah, one of them is a little sillier

and people on reddit shall cry, "oh no, death of the artstyle, something i care oh so much about and i'm definitely not just hopping on a bandwagon for internet points"

[left sand]

im pretty sure those existed back then

[smoky notch]

i couldn't name a single one of those cosmetics if i was paid to ngl

[craggy ridge]

"You see the artstyle was perfect, but because of the ravages of socialism, over production of woke cosmetics flooded the mannco store"

[crisp cedar]

jordan peterson is so fucking funny

i love this depiction of him

like i know hes an insanely hateful person but i cant help but giggle when hes portrayed like this

[craggy ridge]

he sounds so much like saul goodman

[crisp cedar]

i legit think that all the tallbart videos made me see him as someone else

like the real jordan peterson doesnt exist

https://fxtwitter.com/TallBart/status/1642665727919521792

i can only see this guy

also this

[craggy ridge]

ben is too out of character he is generally the realistic one

why is he so jolly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we1I6nK6OBg i like this interpretation of him a bit more

[crisp cedar]

im mainly thinking about the jordan peterson

[next nymph]

he sounds like kermit the frog

[crisp cedar]

he kinda does

[zealous pond]

Those hats are fabulous.

And art style and theming are different concepts.

[lean cove]

why are you cheating

[craggy ridge]

idt its cheating

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337790132126089222/1092706256403312690/image.png

this pyros been airblasting the robot into spawn for 20 minutes now

and theres nothing we can do

[summer steeple]

can't you kick in mvm?

[orchid sorrel]

not mid wave

and theres no way to end the wave, because the boss cant leave spawn

[summer steeple]

amazing

is this at the very least boot camp

[summer steeple]

please tell me its not mann up

[orchid sorrel]

mann up

[summer steeple]

i fucking hate people like this

like i get the idea of not kicking people during waves

but it just

ugh

[orchid sorrel]

at the very least a restart wave vote option would be good

we're back at wave 1 now

[orchid sorrel]

||This also wouldn’t be an issue if jungle inferno didnt break knockback on giants||

[high current]

Do people write bots to do stuff like that? Or is it just someone who genuinely fines right clicking for 20 minutes funny?

[paper sluice]

The latter I assume
The moment you play Mann up is the moment you forfeit any dignity you have

[high current]

I mean ig there’s a lot of cloak and dagger mains who just spend hours a day watching pubbers.

[orchid sorrel]

I think he was actually just doing that himself yeah

2 players left and (i assume) he invited his friends to give him a dispenser

I think he had a vendetta against our sniper

Because in the prior waves he would constantly airblast sentry busters into the sniper, and stand on the rock to make robots kill sniper in the cross fire

[mystic turtle]

anyone know any good MGE servers in the Southeast Asia region?
all of the ones around here are empty

[high current]

R/truetf2 too

[orchid sorrel]

https://streamable.com/1shfxi

POV you were picked to be Hale

[summer steeple]

reverse mvm is very interesting to watch

but also extremely jank

cons of trying to retrofit mvm logic to work with players on the attacking side i guess

[orchid sorrel]

yeah, we're currently working on porting reverse to vscript

https://streamable.com/iypjej

[spare obsidian]

i hope there's a fix for the eye light glows

[orchid sorrel]

i think theres some keyvalue in rafmod to fix the eye glows

or use neodement's fixed robot models

[summer steeple]

will admit that this gave me the push to look into my raid mode vscript again

i remembered why i stopped

damn my insatiable desire to have an enemy that is long

bboxes that rotate are """"supported"""" by source

and by supported i mean that they function

they also make you jitter like crazy and get you stuck in them

even the payload cart sucks ass

the thing is like

HL2 uses a lot of these things

so i can only assume that they broke them at some point

[potent wolf]

Source is a wonderful beast

[summer steeple]

like i'm not sure if i'm actually not doing things correctly

or if they just don't function

fun fact

SOLID_OBB does work™️

SOLID_OBB_YAW has no code associated with it

[potent wolf]

so...

the one that says "not implemented yet" is implemented?

[summer steeple]

yeah

[potent wolf]

[summer steeple]

for reference, this is just how the payload cart is

its actually surprisingly normal here, I assume because the turns aren't full like 90 degree ones

but still, all those prediction errors and stuttering

at one point you can see i get a "client stuck in object" error

[small siren]

*at one point you can

see i get a "client stuck

in object" error*

- fiend@fiendroom

[summer steeple]

AHAHAHAHA

I SET THE COLLISION GROUP OF MY ENTITIY TO "PUSHAWAY" AND ALL OF THE "STUCK" ERRORS WENT AWAY

now i just get... well, pushed

its still jittery, but its 10000x better

thats so fucked

[orchid sorrel]

jiggly

[next nymph]

turn it into a killbox

[summer steeple]

I could but the whole point of this is that i want to player to be able to, well, collide with it

this comment is amazing holy shit

interesting, solid_bsp and solid_vphysics seem to apply pushaway anyway?

that doesn't sound right

because in this case it means I can sort of fall right through the entity

although it takes a bit for my speed to be enough to get through

but a lot of dynamic entities use these and you don't fall through?

no way

[potent wolf]

🏳️‍⚧️

[paper sluice]

Doesn’t the payload do this
Or something similar where it just applies a force to the player

[summer steeple]

i don't know

I couldn't find the payload collision code

another good one

[next nymph]

florida onfire

[jagged pawn]

late but this is so funny

bro just described using the market gardener as intended

[hybrid cloud]

the hypercasual gimmick mains circle back to playing the meta

[small siren]

*the hypercasual

gimmick mains circle back to

playing the meta*

- Pathulhu

[jagged pawn]

so true

[hybrid cloud]

tell people to play a super secret subclass called sticky pipe combo demo and watch knight population drop to 0

[jagged pawn]

guys guys guys have you heard of "support medic"? it's my favorite subclass, you use crossbow + stock + ubersaw

[hybrid cloud]

guys have you heard of flank scout

[smoky notch]

ubersaw bad, use amputator

[orchid sorrel]

true

[summer steeple]

guys have you heard of the "bad medic" subclass

its where you use the vita-saw and stock syringes

[hybrid cloud]

have you heard of the bad pyro subclsss

it's where you play pyro

[spare obsidian]

i wish the payload was a prop_ like BM:S has a prop version of the func_train

like how many entities do you need to make the payload on hammer?

[summer steeple]

for a baseline functional payload? 5

but for the whole thing

its nearly 10?

you need:

1. payload prop
2. func_tracktrain
3. physconstraint to parent the 2
4. capture area trigger
5. team_trainwatcher (this controls the payload, yes, seriously)
   and then the stuff to make the whole thing:
6. trigger for the dispenser area
7. dispenser entity
8. trigger hurt set to ignore players so that it breaks buildings it rolls over (fun fact most valve maps only have this on the front, so rollback doesn't break them until it rolls back enough for the front to touch it)
9. particle system which handles the flashing light on the top
   10/11. 2 particle systems for the sparks when rolling back

[left sand]

that happens with normal payload

i really wanna fix these prediction errors

they really hurt on spy

[summer steeple]

yeah, thats what i'm showing

[left sand]

yeah but it doesnt have to do with rotating bboxes but idk what youre saying i guess

[summer steeple]

it seems to happen way more when the payload is turned

or at least its more noticeable

sidenote i've been messing around with a func_tracktrain for collision of this object i'm making because in theory it might be better, but i can't even get it to collide at all 😦

wtf

discord reset my setting that let me use smiley faces without emojis

agh i'm going to go insane

I just wish i could figure this out

I don't want to use pushaway because its basically not solid

[spare obsidian]

so for the prop version i would need to use the dispenser code + prop + the trigger hurt could be replicated by a point_ version of the trigger hurt and the particle system can be parented to the attachment point

[summer steeple]

probably?

i'm not familiar with mapping outside of tf2

[lean cove]

hot take

pyro good

pyro fun

[left sand]

it happens even player to player

the payload itself moving is like

badly coded

well

its kinda robust but very edge case based idk

i wish they just had better collision...

[summer steeple]

i'm kinda not surprised

someone in another discord recommended that for my rotating entity I just fake it and give the player velocity, but i get the feeling that would just suck ass because vscript is server sided

so i think the player would like, collide with it, and then a tick later would get collision applied to them

I just don't understand why players just get stuck in rotating entities like this

but i also feel like i'm doing something wrong because i swear that valve uses things like these

that... makes sense

but also

fuck that

I think this is just impossible

within the current confines of tf2

which is a shame

i'll have to just make my entity not long :(

although i wonder how bad having like 20 bboxs would be

creating like a stepped bbox

[paper sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/oscars-standing-ovation-clap-clapping-applause-gif-5089552

[lean cove]

thank you mr skyrym for supporting me despite the continued opposition to my brave opinions

[crisp cedar]

we ❤️ pyro

[slender nexus]

greatest country in the world

[broken thistle]

this man has the opposite of appealing thumbnails lmao

almost as bad as the youtubers who edit close up shots of people by oversaturating it to shit and making their eyes red and bloodshot

[craggy ridge]

I love this video

https://youtu.be/zIyq-4UHD_8

[radiant merlin]

i think the revolver reload anim skips some frames

is it true?

[summer steeple]

fun fact

tf_base_boss has its own player collision handler

alongside the already existing one

if checks if the bounding box of it and the player overlap and then tries to push the player out

I wonder what made them write this code, since I think the normal collision should handle it?

i'm also realizing now that when i talked about bsp and vphysics setting pushaway anyway is actually just this collision code working even if the boss has no collision

[paper sluice]

https://youtu.be/DiahjyxTSk0
I’m sure it’s related to this

The part of the video talking about the cart collision system

[summer steeple]

but this isn't the cart

its baseboss

aka, merasmus, thats sort of thing

man

so many ideas, but not a single one works

I'm just gonna need to do a square bbox :(

[paper sluice]

Well I mean it’s the same concept probably
Just to prevent the player getting stuck ig

[summer steeple]

i guess

altho it just makes me wonder why they didn't just add it to regular entities

altho i guess, less testing needed, less room for error

man this collision stuff sucks too cause it just teleports the player

it causes prediction errors (ok tbf what doesn't in source) and you jitter

[left sand]

apparently DoesHotter got banned?

i just heard about this

[crisp cedar]

who's that

[craggy ridge]

I feel bad for all the Hooters employees who will have to find a new job 🙏

[paper sluice]

I don’t get it

[craggy ridge]

What about it

[paper sluice]

A

[craggy ridge]

I don't know what is that supposed to mean

[paper sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1069039153561489488/1073970222102483024/image.gif

[radiant merlin]

they can still join servers

[wintry marlin]

nut

[rare creek]

iirc they have over 20 alt accounts

and they're all in a steam group

not counting the bots

[left sand]

like all their accounts

[potent wolf]

huh

[left sand]

reminder that doeshotter joined this server, replied to an unrelated video posted 3 years ago and then started crying

[next nymph]

doeshotter, or "doe shotter", is an infamous poacher of deer

[potent wolf]

lmao

[hoary geyser]

the deer deserve to die

[rare creek]

they'll just create another one

[zealous pond]

Poor Bambi.

[limpid panther]

link?

nvm found it

lol

[next nymph]

can ye link it?

[radiant merlin]

it wasn't https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4866#issuecomment-1499672490

[unborn pecan]

@next nymph Does cleantf2 plus flat textures only, no resize, and cosmetics still there, improve fps?

[smoky notch]

yes

btw jarateking can you add the version of the cosmetic removal that doesn't get rid of full body parts

so i can still headshot pyro

[next nymph]

the main thing I bring up with flat textures performance is "if they're resized then mipmaps would come into effect, and that should help" but if they're not resized then I can't see a reason they'd improve fps. I never really benchmarked it though, that's just my assumptions

[next nymph]

i should at some point, it shouldn't be too hard given a list of models to keep

[smoky notch]

it's already made though?

https://github.com/Fedora31/no-hats-bgum

https://www.teamfortress.tv/56398/no-hats-mod-headsfeet-2020-edition

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZWCboZdiJVTD_HtiRBpDAT7JTb-t-Rhg/view?usp=share_link

https://www.teamfortress.tv/56398/no-hats-mod-headsfeet-2020-edition/?page=2#52

one of these is right idk lol

[radiant merlin]

where am i even standing?

[high current]

The little molding around the edge of the house there. As ridiculous as it seems that’s actually one of the more plausible places for someone to stand (not in that pose).

[glass pollen]

I'm not familiar with how no hats mods are made, but considering I use no-hats-bgum and Pyros sometimes having full head cosmetics annoys me a bit, couldn't one replace the full body cosmetics with models of what is originally at that position of the class model? Like replacing the Apparitions Aspect with a default Pyro head model?

Whoops, wrong message quoted

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480079567458140171/1093966916944674906/who_let_his_ass_drive.mp4

[lean cove]

func_vehicle 2023

@orchid sorrel when will i be able to drive across 2fort

[summer steeple]

how is its collision? i'm desperate for collision tips on rotating objects

side note, is the reverse MVM vscript port open source? I'm curious to see how they tackled the MVM logic's hardcoded teams

[orchid sorrel]

Vscript reverse hasnt been released yet

Both moonlight and potato reverses are running via sourcemod with rafmod

[summer steeple]

ah i see

[orchid sorrel]

Vscript reverse will likely be ready for use in a few months

[summer steeple]

I am curious how they'll deal with teams

[orchid sorrel]

We have a reverse campaign planned for end of the year

Afaik its being handled by potato’s owner braindawg, and the lead dev rafradek

[summer steeple]

no i mean like

ingame teams

because the MVM logic is pretty damn hardcoded for players on red, and robots on blue

[orchid sorrel]

No i get what u mean

Im just saying i dont have access to any builds yet

[summer steeple]

ah

[left sand]

cant you just do normal teams

like why do you need to swap the teams

[summer steeple]

visual flair mostly

you could maybe argue its for gameplay purposes too, consistently having red defend and blu attack, but thats basically a moot point because of symmetrical gamemodes, I think most people just care about the team color in terms of which is the enemy and which isn't

[left sand]

so just team color?

why cant you do that part manually

[summer steeple]

personally, I don't want to do it due to the number of things i'd have to do and stuff i'm not sure is possible

its def possible to change player skin, and i can likely change cosmetic skin as well

but i'm not sure about uber skin, and i don't think war paint skin is possible with vscript

and the thing that i think bugs me the most would be the hud

[orchid sorrel]

i never looked into how rafmod handles reverse teams

https://github.com/rafradek/sigsegv-mvm

not sure if it will help, but you can check out our plugin here

[left sand]

wait

fiend and raf have the same picture

[potent wolf]

lmao

you're kinda right

[summer steeple]

we're the same person

[left sand]

OP

[summer steeple]

hm well it was interesting to look at but i think i hit a deadend

[orchid sorrel]

f

[summer steeple]

because it seems like they intercept team joins and redirect them

overall a lot of intercepting

which, unfortunately, vscript can't do

[orchid sorrel]

dang

[summer steeple]

I'm sure I probably could do something similar but i feel like it'd be super jank

[potent wolf]

just find a arbitrary code execution vuln in vscript

[orchid sorrel]

[summer steeple]

so instead i'm doing my plan of just not using MVM logic and potentially having to write a converter to turn pop files into vscript files

surely that will be easier and less jank and not a waste of time

[small siren]

*surely that will be

easier and less jank and

not a waste of time*

- fiend@fiendroom

[potent wolf]

oh no

[next nymph]

just forget about pop files entirely and make it procedurally generated

[summer steeple]

not a bad idea but i'd prefer pop files

maybe as an alternative mode

[potent wolf]

Why not just reimplement the entire game in vscript

[summer steeple]

honestly i'm kinda just waiting for the may update

[potent wolf]

for maximum control

[summer steeple]

to see if they add pop file functions

[summer steeple]

playing the game at a 1 tick+ delay

[orchid sorrel]

i think ficool said smth about more pop file support

[summer steeple]

he never said that to me when i asked :(

anyway rn i'm making one last push to try and hack in some sort of ok collision for rotating entities by reimplementing the crappy base_boss unstick function with support for rotated bboxes and interpolation, since ficool actually posted today about a way to get movement to be interpolated, since by default SetOrigin doesn't interpolate

and guess what, the base_boss unstick function uses SetOrigin (or at least, the c++ equivalent)

[summer steeple]

I hate being a visual learner

[radiant merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-gif-26283306

[lean cove]

what

[summer steeple]

i was 90% sure something wouldn't work but i couldn't visualize why or how i could fix it so i had to draw it in mspaint

it still took me like 15 minutes lol

[orchid sorrel]

anybody wanna play some reverse mvm? testing some stuff, and got 1 slot available

[radiant merlin]

me

[orchid sorrel]

steam://connect/96.244.7.85:27080/pootis

[radiant merlin]

waaait

i'm building cubemaps

just a minute

[orchid sorrel]

o

np

[radiant merlin]

i discovered that if i change the name of a map and then build cubemaps the game crashes

where's the server located?

[orchid sorrel]

usa east

[radiant merlin]

damn

i'm late 😦

[orchid sorrel]

should be a slot

@radiant merlin try now

[radiant merlin]

i'm joining

[summer steeple]

yeah because of how map names work its recommended to change the vmf name and then compile

[orchid sorrel]

ggs, done for now, thx for playing!

had to change map to remove the password

[radiant merlin]

the nuke launcher was fun

i wanted to try the sentry buster mode but i was late lol

[orchid sorrel]

yeah bigrock reverse has lots of cool weaps

rip

buster mode is useful because you get knockback resistance

good for just forcing yourself through a choke

how bad were the errors btw

[radiant merlin]

error tanks everywhere

only that

[orchid sorrel]

o ok

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/994089581261627463/1094126150026002513/image.png

didnt get 2 see drill

if anyone is interested, testing some mideival mvm

[spare obsidian]

uhh i never expect to see robin walker again on the game lol

[orchid sorrel]

he was on recently wasnt he

when ppl found out about the valve Gpan

[spare obsidian]

yeah and the valve sticky launcher

[jaunty willow]

where is the valve golden ambassador

[orchid sorrel]

the only difference is crit falloff disabled

[jaunty willow]

l m f a o

that would be honestly a welcome change

the crit damage falloff just doesn't make sense to me

the range reduction does make sense

I can completely understand that part of the nerf

[spare obsidian]

crit fall damage falloff be like: you know what? fuck undamages your stickie

[jaunty willow]

lmao

[spare obsidian]

although yeah crit falloff is fair in a sense because

if it doesn't exist you can basically one shot anybody from the distance lol

[jaunty willow]

but specifically for the amby tho

[orchid sorrel]

i think a better approach would have been to replace crit falloff with minicrits past a certain distance

like anything past 2fort bridge is just a minicrit

[jaunty willow]

that's a fair approach too

[orchid sorrel]

crit falloff is kinda weird and unintuitive

[jaunty willow]

at least for this kind of weapon

[rare creek]

https://youtu.be/rhgwIhB58PA

[rare creek]

https://youtu.be/2GwdmmfDuCw

[orchid sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/989689353250963487/1094347839502569492/Screenshot_935_1.png

[rare creek]

actually the csgo/cs2 awp currently has a magazine size of 5

[summer steeple]

yeah they changed that a few months back

probably because most people weren't using enough bullets to require reloading

btw, i'm not sure if you could actually add a reload feature to the sniper rifles, you might need to do what ficool did for tf:go and make every single weapon the pistol internally

[radiant merlin]

i can't do that with current viewmodels

i would have to add new anim to all sniper rifles and i don't know how to and i don't have that time

[summer steeple]

ah fair enough

[paper sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/279748353343094784/1094385008732536902/vsh_tinyrock_teaser_preview.mp4

[summer steeple]

oh he uploaded that already?

[paper sluice]

idk wher eit is tho

[radiant merlin]

i quite don't like saxton's new voice

[summer steeple]

I know he was working on it earlier today

[radiant merlin]

megam is a good voice actor but he doesn't fit that well for saxton

[summer steeple]

the old VA turned the role down :(

[radiant merlin]

i would like valve to release several sfm models for free use

[small siren]

*i would like valve to

release several sfm

models for free use*

- Ashe wiki.tf

[radiant merlin]

like all left "meet the" sessions

[summer steeple]

oh the video isn't even done yet lmao

[paper sluice]

lololo

[summer steeple]

bruh he uploaded that literally 4 hours ago to get feedback

classic tf2 community just grabbing shit that isn't meant to be seen by the public yet

[paper sluice]

fail
i only got it from another discord

[summer steeple]

i don't blame you, because i know you couldn't have gotten it from the source lol

[radiant merlin]

how much maps will valve add?

i expect 4 normals and 3 custom

[summer steeple]

69 xd

[hybrid cloud]

i expect nothing particularly good

[radiant merlin]

kicked from a match for "processing time exceeded"

2 min about to win

[summer steeple]

what did you do

[radiant merlin]

idk i was just upgrading my dispenser

[spare obsidian]

ayo this looks epic

[radiant merlin]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2956923051

vote for it

[summer steeple]

gamers

what are the trading sites people use

it feels like everytime i think about trading in any capacity I remember a somewhat recent thing happened where the owners of the site got cancelled or smth

[wintry marlin]

is this an opportunity to plug comfig sponsor?

[summer steeple]

bro key prices spiked again?

fucking ridiculous lmao

[wintry marlin]

or perhaps ref prices dropped astrronomically lol

hey that's actually good for me because I can craft more things with less keys

[summer steeple]

ref is ~4 cents

which i think is what its been like?

[jaunty willow]

the old Saxton was better tbh

VA*

but he is alright

[crisp cedar]

remember when refined was worth more than the rouble

ruble

whatever

[mystic turtle]

I think I might have just come to a sizable breakthrough in TF2 gameplay

by adopting a more patient style, I consistently get more kills

as a result, I am actually heading back to Engineer from Pyro

I guess that always seems to be my weakness in every game I play
just learning how to consistently block allowed me to get way better at fighting games

[wintry marlin]

Become passive havel monster in souls games, you'll find it funny

[rare creek]

the only major site is backpack.tf and it gets cancelled at least once a year

and they also own 99% of the other sites

[lean cove]

no

[lean cove]

they didn't spike

ref is just always going down in value

because items are always dropping

this is how it's always worked

[lean cove]

who cares they get 0 money from me

i just do my trades

[rare creek]

i don't care because i have no other options

[jagged pawn]

yeah I don't feel bad about using it because like, they make nothing from me

[left sand]

TIL that TF2 had a creep wave mode

it added a few dota mechanics but primarily, there would be bots which would be responsible for capturing objectives

players would not be able to

[next nymph]

dota_2fort when

bottom lane: sewers
mid lane: bridge
top lane: top of bridge

[jagged pawn]

so true

[orchid sorrel]

maybe related to old internal versions of rd_asteroid?

[left sand]

i dont think so but maybe

[limpid panther]

as demoknight, sidestrafing to dodge explosives precisely at charge distance waiting for charge to replenish is actually great

mantains the target exposed to chip damage from teammates (more likely that a crit melee will kill) and acerts dominance

[summer steeple]

i was kinda under the assumption that the creep mode was related to bounty mode, but i guess i never really looked into it outside of seeing the name “creep” lol

kill minions, get money, buy a ward

[radiant merlin]

i need to learn how to make sentence mixing

for my next miniproject

payload responses for engineer

[wintry marlin]

https://youtu.be/iyYuXGV-ScE

funy

[paper sluice]

@lean cove @unborn pecan @teal sand
https://gamebanana.com/mods/436454

[lean cove]

yes

[unborn pecan]

AAAT DA HEELL

I LOVE WEEED

[radiant merlin]

valve you better pay me for writing a few lines of code

[radiant merlin]

this particle in particular should use a cubic function

[spare obsidian]

what are you doing btw?

[radiant merlin]

fixing the particle

it turns out that simply changing 2 values to 0 fixes it

min and max distance

16

0

[radiant merlin]

yeah it was more easy than i thought

i have the file ready to publish lol

[spare obsidian]

so you think this was more of a engine issue than just a particle issue?

i swear this wasn't a problem in 2008 tf2

[left sand]

why is the escape plan allowed to give a speed boost without being fully deployed?

[teal sand]

this would ruin eureka teleport binds

[left sand]

also #patch-pack

[teal sand]

oh my b

[radiant merlin]

it's a particle issue

[craggy ridge]

Oh what a tragedy

Engi mains stay seething?

Truly a war crime

[smoky notch]

you need a bind for 2 keys?

engi mains discovering crouch jumping and setting a bind for it instead

[craggy ridge]

Ngl it's much faster than R + 1

[limpid panther]

it definitely is

I can actually escape people that are chasing me without fumbling weapons

[smoky notch]

this has to be a joke right?

what happens when you need to switch to primary?

[limpid panther]

huh? I just press a key and it teleports me to spawn

the eureka animation starts like: instantly

no matter what I have on hand

[smoky notch]

clutch

[craggy ridge]

what is this supposed to mean

[smoky notch]

if pressing 3r1 is causing people to fumble

[limpid panther]

ahh, now I get it

[craggy ridge]

it's not a huge deal it just saves up a few frames and is more smooth to perform

[limpid panther]

you're funny

[smoky notch]

i'm not being funny

i'm sincere

3r1 shouldn't be making people fumble, i think

[crisp cedar]

theyre using their serious face

[craggy ridge]

it's not a big issue players who use 3r1 are not getting kicked off teams because of it it's just a QOL thing for engis

[smoky notch]

it is stronger than it's intended to be, though

otherwise it'd be an action item

[rare creek]

i don't use the eureka effect

[smoky notch]

good it's bad lol

[rare creek]

i don't use the engineer class

[smoky notch]

good it's lame

[rare creek]

in fact i don't even use the team fortress 2 software

[smoky notch]

good you're uninvited

anyway we're here now

[orchid sorrel]

Um hewwo

[tacit flare]

On a completely separate point, can you please explain to me this insulting claim that pyro is the "weakest" class?

When Spy gets shat on by the very game itself on a regular interval.

[hybrid cloud]

he is weak and some community members think that's an excuse to make the class as cheesy and obnoxious as possible

damage is bad, mobility is bad, range is bad

[tacit flare]

Flare across the map doing 10,000 years afterburn.

[hybrid cloud]

what he has going for him is ease of use

flares are a non issue

[tacit flare]

Here the litmus test. If you get an uber medic and shove it up their ass, can they wipe the team?

Oh, why is the Phlog uber medic combo so despised? I wonder why?

[hybrid cloud]

because pubbers are awful at fighting pyro

the class preys on unlucky positioning and the majority of tf2 players provide it in spades

demo is a far more capable uber target

and less people complain about him, so it must be something inherent to pyro that makes phlog ubers so awful

[rare creek]

phlog ubers suck because 12v12 sucks

the maps cause everyone to be cramped together and die immediately with no opportunity for counterplay

in a smaller team size, phlog uber would be ineffective because pyro lacks the range of other classes and your team has ample time to begin fights elsewhere

[hybrid cloud]

i don't think team size is the only reason but i think that's a good point to make

[rare creek]

i really dislike 12v12 in general

but that's a different problem

[hybrid cloud]

i wouldn't mind pubs being no limits 9v9 or even 10v10

[orchid sorrel]

It also doesnt help phlog can safely build mmph with flares

[hybrid cloud]

i remember reading posts about the beta being 8v8 and valve just upping the limit for whatever reason

[orchid sorrel]

12 people to spam scorches at for near instant mmph

[smoky notch]

true!

24 mfs is too much

[smoky notch]

ok, spy has tools to get into position

pyro has w

[tacit flare]

Flare jumping doesn't exist
Pyro has zero vertical mobility.

[hybrid cloud]

pyro and spy can both be weak

[smoky notch]

you can set jump and thermal thruster but they're not as good as spy

[tacit flare]

Pyro can take flanks Spy cannot.

[smoky notch]

det*

[rare creek]

spy has bind mwheeldown +jump

[smoky notch]

spy has cloak and disguise

movement isn't the issue, just any sort of tool

how does pyro fight a scout, Solly, or demo with movement

they don't

[hybrid cloud]

flare jumps are impractical for extended periods of time bc of how little distance they give for how much health they take

[smoky notch]

the strongest, most popular classes

[jagged pawn]

spy is the weakest by far in competitive but absolutely destroys idiots. pyro is slightly better in competitive because of the use cases of airblast but is imo the worst casual class

[smoky notch]

pyro exists to defend engi in comp mostly

[rare creek]

if they removed sniper and gave spy back the old amby i think it would be very good

[tacit flare]

Oh yeah, I forgot about spawn wallhacks.

[smoky notch]

so don't disguise when people are right there at spawn

just cloak if you have to

spies make it work if they aren't stupid

[tacit flare]

Spawn wallhacks last for 10 seconds and persist beyond a level 3 teleporter use.

[jagged pawn]

defending a point or building is at least more of a use case than "stand there and tell us where they are then make a desperation suicide play"

[tacit flare]

Make it so that Spy isn't outlined with everyone else. Sure if he is out in the open you can see him, but at least then he's not visible through walls.

[smoky notch]

yea i knoe

know**

what does this have to do with spy being weaker than pyro

[tacit flare]

One of the many other things Spy has to deal with that pyro does not.

[smoky notch]

"if a spy disguises at spawn, they can be seen, therefore pyro better"

[jagged pawn]

honestly hot take but just remove player glow and make the point glow instead like it does it on payload or ctf

player glow sucks

[smoky notch]

meh

[tacit flare]

Not to mention the laundry list of bugs relating to cloak and the disguise kit.

[smoky notch]

it's not a big deal

[hybrid cloud]

player glow is kind of unnecessary idk

[tacit flare]

Disguise as demo? Get fucked lol no shoes

[smoky notch]

i have outlines off and still know to shoot around for spies when i spawn in

even then, if im a class with movement, spy can kill me more reliably than pyro

[smoky notch]

not a balance change

hardly renders spy useless

[tacit flare]

You literally have the flaregun/shotgun. How are you losing to an exposed spy?

[smoky notch]

what

to a sticky, pipe, minigun, rifle, pill

[hybrid cloud]

flamethrower has awful damage and doesn't have position sensitive instakills

[smoky notch]

omg just win 4head

[tacit flare]

All Spy has is his revolver to deal with movement classes. Unless you're going DR spy you get fucked by most classes if you're exposed. Pyro can simply reflect explosives away and harass far more.

Flare spam is quite enjoyable.

If you bring up classes people are annoyed by, it's almost never Spy. Meanwhile there's entire documentaries about pyro.

[hybrid cloud]

i don't think anyone is arguing spy isn't weak idk

[tacit flare]

God, entire documentaries on scorch alone. Let alone phlog and various other weapons.

[craggy ridge]

nuh uh

[orchid sorrel]

Chicken butt

[jagged pawn]

scorch shot is definitely overrated. it's annoying and needs to be changed but it certainly doesn't make pyro good

either way tho to suggest that a spy that you know exists is more of a threat than a pyro is laughable to me

[orchid sorrel]

They should put me in charge of balance i will make this game epic,,,

[hybrid cloud]

yea pyro is annoying but he's not an effective killer unless you're exclusively farming phlog or are a cool person (dragon's fury user)

[craggy ridge]

yuh uh

[jagged pawn]

just because pyro is a defensive class (their being listed as offense is from 2007, they're a defense class, fight me) doesn't mean they don't have meaningful offensive abilities

[tacit flare]

The entire point I disagree with was Pyro being weaker than Spy.

[jagged pawn]

real

[hybrid cloud]

oh no pyro is not weaker than spy

but

they're bottom 2

[jagged pawn]

they are, by far, bottom two, yes

[hybrid cloud]

it hardly matters which is worse because they're both the worst out of everybody

[jagged pawn]

like heavy is third worst and he's such a bigger threat than both

[tacit flare]

That I can agree with. Just don't say Pyro is weaker than Spy when Spy has to deal with the very game itself fucking with him on a regular basis. Hard enough to play against good players, harder still when the game decides your backstab does no damage and your disguise is missing legs.

[hybrid cloud]

heavy has insane stats he just can't get anywhere

[tacit flare]

In fact, Spy gets fucked over by the game so hard that every bug fix to the game is an indirect buff for Spy.

[jagged pawn]

if you're a competent player you should be dying to spy very rarely, he thrives on people making mistakes

[hybrid cloud]

mistakes are inevitable so spy isn't 100% useless

but

he's definitely made for 2007 pubs

[tacit flare]

In the right hands he can make a difference. I just hope one day the very game itself will let up.

Cause there's very little so satisfying as having someone tell you disguises don't work only for them to believe your disguise.

[jagged pawn]

I mean we're really getting into the weeds here but... I think spy SHOULD be the worst class in the game. imagine if the meta was some guy who you can't even see until he's already fighting you

if he had enough tools to consistently kill good players no one would be having fun

[hybrid cloud]

how much worse should he be tho

[jagged pawn]

yeah I don't know where the line is. he should be better than he is now but not by much

[hybrid cloud]

because there's class hierarchy bad and then there's just being mean like pyro destroying any chance of spy having an impact so engineer can keep stalling the game

[tacit flare]

I actually agree to a point, but that's why I like Team Comtress so much. Spy's problem isn't his role, you can get plenty good at that. Spy's problem is that the very game itself hates him. I don't want new weapons for Spy. All I want is TF2 to have less bugs. Bug fixing TF2 will always be the biggest buff Spy can ever recieve.

[left sand]

nah the best feeling is stabbing people who know

[rare creek]

ooh just like me in real life!

[orchid sorrel]

People who know

People who don’t know

[craggy ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

[hybrid cloud]

i LOVE stabbing people

except not really i don't play spy

[orchid sorrel]

Buy a prinny knife ez

[next nymph]

spy: melee can deal 2700 damage every 0.8 seconds
pyro: melee can only deal 65 damage every 0.8 seconds

[tacit flare]

Well.. that too. But how can you get that feeling when you backstab them, it does the crit noise and does no damage?

[potent wolf]

Simply go for facestabs

[tacit flare]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/880170988799676466/1089277680412794942/Replay_2023-03-25_01-37-28-1_Trim.mp4
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/880170988799676466/1089278450466041866/Replay_2023-03-25_01-40-28-1_Trim.mp4

[left sand]

it's a networked game

also you have no net graph

so we can't really see why it happened

[tacit flare]

It's ok, I've confirmed it to be Uncletopia. But any fixes you make to the game to increase performance and smoothen the gameplay is always automatically a win, regardless of how much.

[radiant merlin]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2960742979

[spare obsidian]

yisus how old is your rig lol

[summer steeple]

oh this is all by choice

[potent wolf]

unfortunately

[craggy ridge]

honestly i find it interesting the idea of a rail gun for pyro

fighting flamethrower in it's current iteration is quite boring

[summer steeple]

RG or LG?

[craggy ridge]

i think that getting railed by a pyro would definitely be more fun that getting burned because the pyro would actually be required to do tracking and use his brain

[craggy ridge]

what

[summer steeple]

do you mean rail gun or lightning gun?

cause when i think of railguns i think more of a sniper rifle, infinite range, etc.

[craggy ridge]

not infinite range lol

yeah more like lighting guns

i think that flamethrowers could be reworked

to be more lighting gun esque

[hybrid cloud]

you can speed up the particles to be super fast but also die super fast

[summer steeple]

the interesting thing is that the phlog kind of already is an LG

[formal dew]

how does the phlog particle work visually

[summer steeple]

uhhh, let me check

[formal dew]

does this like, combining thing visually

[summer steeple]

wait i think i'm dumb

why do i always thing the phlog is more like an LG

[formal dew]

I wouldnt mind phlog getting zero flamethrower box drag

[summer steeple]

yeah i'm stupid, phlog flames are identical

I think i just forget that because of the different particles

[hybrid cloud]

phlog is only "like lg" in that they're both energy weaponsn

[summer steeple]

yeah

but for some reason I always think that the phlog has no drag on the flames

[hybrid cloud]

the effect used to be like that

[summer steeple]

like the particles?

[hybrid cloud]

yea, phlog particles used to be a static effect

[summer steeple]

ah

maybe thats why i think of it working like that

honestly I see the suggestion for flamethrowers to work like LGs relatively often, and i think its interesting

[hybrid cloud]

they move now but they're rotation locked so they don't accurately represent hitboxes

[summer steeple]

part of me thinks that part of pyro's identity is the flames and their drag

[hybrid cloud]

the drag makes flames janky imo

i wouldn't make flames hitscan, but id definitely thin them out way more

drag makes flames kinda gross because they do damage based on contact time instead of 1 by 1

[summer steeple]

oh my god

it finally occured to me to check how tank collision works in tf2

because i've been trying to get rotating entities to have good collision for months

THEY FUCKING CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE BOUNDING BOX WHEN THE TANK IS ROTATED

THATS SO DUMB

[potent wolf]

Can you set bboxes from vscript?

[summer steeple]

no wonder you can see through the model so often

yeah

[potent wolf]

That's probably the best option honestly

[summer steeple]

yeah probably

[potent wolf]

It's a bit janky, but it does work

[summer steeple]

like i've been trying for so long to get stuff to work

different brush entities, point entities, collision types

they all clip through the player and get them stuck

I even started work on a function to unstick the player by subtly pushing them out of the entity

it kind of works

base_boss actually already has this but it only really works when axis aligned

also, it doesn't take into account players when seeing if an area is valid, so i think thats why you get stuck in other players when fighting bosses

I had assumed for a few years it was some weird issue with the truce

[small siren]

*I had assumed for

a few years it was some weird

issue with the truce*

- fiend@fiendroom

[summer steeple]

but nope its just their unstick function not taking into account everything

you know i bet that the unstick function they have actually is because of this workaround for rotation

since if the bbox becomes bigger than before you could get stuck in it

[hybrid cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXQVXyQqCrw

i would do something like this

[spare obsidian]

ah yes TFC Pyro being useless

[left sand]

ew

this takes away almost all of pyro's reason to be a distinct class

[hybrid cloud]

good

actually it wouldnt even do that

you could still pierce players and burn them for some DOT

[craggy ridge]

good

[smoky notch]

this is op lol

[craggy ridge]

how

[rare creek]

@mcom when will you put this preset into mastercomfig?????"?????

[rare creek]

if tf2 looked like this it could've actually been released on the nintendo 64 and sega dreamcast

[spare obsidian]

https://youtu.be/76HDJIWfVy4

[lean cove]

this is bad

[hybrid cloud]

no

[orchid sorrel]

anybody wanna help beta test an mvm mission?
steam://connect/us.potato.tf:27025/skunk

[left sand]

@smoky notch and me

[summer steeple]

i do not understand source engine

this func_rotating flag

a. it seems always on in tf2

b. what clientside simulation

i don't understand how this works

there's no client code regarding this at all

but like

it works

like literally how

altho apparently this ent was bugged until dec 2018

so this code is outdated

[radiant merlin]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/517 ?

[summer steeple]

yeah but its fixed now

[radiant merlin]

they probably fixed it when fixing the other issue

[summer steeple]

I also didn't even know 2fort or gravelpit had func_rotating entities

[radiant merlin]

the clouds

in the skybox