#Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

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summer steeple
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ok i actually figured it out now

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its still stupid though

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getconsttable()["enum"] is a reference to enum

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i just like

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i don't get why i can't just call enum by itself

next nymph
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this vscript language sounds like its got square wheels

summer steeple
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yeah squirrel is... kinda rought

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it seems like its at its best with simple scripting to add onto a game

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the stuff i'm doing with it though is like

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stuff that normally would be done in the actual game code, not in a small script

craggy ridge
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Is there a tf2ber equivalent of dantes?

kind falcon
craggy ridge
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The league streamer

kind falcon
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yeah, who

craggy ridge
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Everytime he opens his mouth to talk

kind falcon
craggy ridge
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It's the most degenerate thing ever

crisp cedar
craggy ridge
crisp cedar
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why would you know of a league streamer then

craggy ridge
kind falcon
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how

craggy ridge
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And that's funny

kind falcon
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i dedicated 5 minutes of my life on watching most random part of his stream

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hes not insane but annoying

craggy ridge
crisp cedar
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like what

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send me a clip

craggy ridge
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I'm gonna send it and you are going to think that it's not funny

kind falcon
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most likely

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try to find a funny one

craggy ridge
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I am trying to find one in specific

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I will send you the bomba one for now

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This is hard, like imagine trying to tell to your parents the appeal of jerma

next nymph
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thats child abuse

kind falcon
wintry marlin
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quebec abuse

crisp cedar
mystic turtle
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got 70 points as Medic today

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finally mastering stock ubercharge

mystic turtle
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I can hold my own with people with even greater casual ranks than me

kind falcon
mystic turtle
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almost level 50

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but I see people with purple and red ranks pretty often

kind falcon
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ic

jagged pawn
radiant merlin
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yesterday i was playing casual and my botdetector detected a cheater

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it started to "spam" the "there's a cheater in the other team kick pls" and some other guy started to say the n word

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wtf

kind falcon
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default behaviour

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haven’t you played casual before?

wintry marlin
# craggy ridge

if you like people go on unrelated tangents there is always fishstickonastick

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like just watch any of his stream highlights

radiant merlin
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that makes less sense

wintry marlin
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he practically never talks about the game it's always something else but that is the whole point.

kind falcon
kind falcon
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nvm

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i love the gamer word

radiant merlin
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yeah "it", they are not even a person

kind falcon
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please refer to me as it from now on

wintry marlin
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not necessarily always edgy or relying on shock though.

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but there's always vods.

potent wolf
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tf2 players try not to be racist challenge

wintry marlin
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if it's a casual valve server that is in like midwest it's literally their problem

radiant merlin
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is the max volume in tf2 way higher than other games?

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i believe so

wintry marlin
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I literally never play above 5% volume

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I go incremental by setting it in the console

potent wolf
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volume 0.1 is sooo useful when in vc

wintry marlin
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try volume 0.05

jagged pawn
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yeah I have no idea why it's so loud I always use 10%

wintry marlin
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the answer could be in the raw sound files being used

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either they didn't normalize them or the game amplifies them

slender nexus
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my in-game volume is set to 50% because I daisy chain the audio from my phone to my steam deck to my headphones

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You can't hear the phones audio if the game audio is set too high

daring tiger
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Uhm
 why tho

slender nexus
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because I want to listen to funni podcast

wintry marlin
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I recommend finding any vrchat youtuber.

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that's their whole material right there.

craggy ridge
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✍

wintry marlin
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2fort in a nutshell
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paper sluice
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this mod is so cool

crisp cedar
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oh crap

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thats neat

radiant merlin
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that's the best design from valve for the femgie, reminds me of radigan

jagged pawn
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yooooooo

wintry marlin
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very nice

potent wolf
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wtf uncletopia is running rd_asteroid

jagged pawn
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nice

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the fan remake or the og

potent wolf
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remake

jagged pawn
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huge

mystic turtle
summer steeple
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is there a way to completely overwrite the color of an icon in the hud? or would i have to make my own VTF

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I fucking hate the offwhite sentry icon

summer steeple
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this was the perfect response thank you

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also it looks like hypnotize packages a white version of the texture with hypnotize hud (and probably some other huds as well), so i guess I can use that?

next nymph
summer steeple
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i'm going to go to valve HQ and change the files to the white version and then change the hud files to have icon color make it off white

radiant merlin
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mmm for some reason the keys "home" and "end" don't work

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in tf2

high current
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Are they bound to anything natively? If so you can usually Alias over it’s default value if you know what you’re sneaky. Useful for rebinding esc

radiant merlin
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wait wait

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i was using the wrong names

merry vault
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Is there any weapon that has crosshair climb from recoil when you hold fire? ie not like the scattergun that resets between shots.

left sand
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yeah

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minigun

formal dew
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the miniature firearm

summer steeple
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i forget, does the pistol have that?

kind falcon
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what pistol

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no they dont

merry vault
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Spread recovery yes, recoil no.

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I though i remembered the SMG having it but it dont.

high current
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If there’s anything that does, my guess would be the righteous bison. Though I’m 99% sure I’m misremembering. Though I think it resets in the refire time even if it does a bit.

radiant merlin
kind falcon
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yay

radiant merlin
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also cosmetics

mystic turtle
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finally

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low quality shortstop

kind falcon
slender nexus
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War Themed drugs simulator

kind falcon
rare creek
kind falcon
rare creek
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worst payload map

kind falcon
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@finite sandal

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kill

finite sandal
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barnblitz is okay

potent wolf
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spawncamping blu second spawn is very fun trollfig

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people forget theres a second exit

kind falcon
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being able to stay in a spawn is very fun

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without being telepotr.re.d.

hybrid cloud
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saying barnblitz is the worst payload map is quite a take

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i mean pier and swiftwater are right there

next nymph
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do people hate swiftwater

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i always kinda liked it, at least by payload standards

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barnblitz is definitely worse than swiftwater in my mind

potent wolf
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swiftwater is pretty fun imo, except for last

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last is awful

hybrid cloud
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no such thing as a good payload last

kind falcon
potent wolf
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true...

hybrid cloud
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swiftwater i always found too long

kind falcon
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it’s just a long map

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it suffers from having no variability

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just a long road with no phases

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(i like goldrush)

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or hoodoo

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i forgot the name but i always meet a tier8 rank150 the same exact duo of medic+solly there

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just like delfy ., but goldrush

rare creek
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you're supposed to deselect only goldrush, hoodoo, badwater and borneo

daring tiger
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One of these things is not like the others

potent wolf
daring tiger
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Correct

jaunty willow
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hoodo is worse

kind falcon
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correct

lethal moth
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wonder if the degreaser bug will finally be fixed in the upcoming summer update

summer steeple
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what degreaser bug

potent wolf
hybrid cloud
summer steeple
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thats so specific i wouldn't be surprised if its intentional

heavy solarBOT
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@summer steeple has leveled up! (71 ➜ 72)

small sirenBOT
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*thats so specific

i wouldn't be surprised if

its intentionap*

hybrid cloud
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it basically cancels out the whole point of degreaser (?)

summer steeple
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not really?

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it just means you can't be constantly swapping back and forth

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if you're swapping from say, primary to secondary its still faster

hybrid cloud
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it's still faster yea but it affects a lot of weapons and can probably ruin the balancing a bit

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fos has a holster penalty but you could probably spam scrollwheel and bypass it

daring tiger
crisp cedar
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@lethal moth sarcastic bro

formal dew
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The degreaser bonus not applying until the weapons been out for .5 seconds seems unintentional to me because it's not communicated anywhere and it's the same amount of time that a weapon takes to be ready normally

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The bonus could be made to not apply until the degreasers equip animation is finished, but that would still be faster than .5 seconds

lethal moth
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yeah, the main idiosyncrasy is that you can use the degreaser much earlier than that

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there's also a general bug where airblast has an extra cooldown if you switch to and from the flamethrower between airblasts

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which mainly affects degreaser

formal dew
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what the morb

formal dew
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cute spider

lethal moth
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i'd consider it more significant than the switch speed thing tbh, since airblast is so important

merry vault
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Nerfing degreaser switch was a mistake.

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If inly they nerfed the dmg instead.

formal dew
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I like how only one weapon in the entire game has an unequip animation

radiant merlin
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go watch it now

crisp cedar
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clicked on the video expecting a creepypasta

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didnt get a creepypasta but theres people talking in the 2fort sewers

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why 2fort

formal dew
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Horrifying

jagged pawn
# rare creek

barnblitz is one of the best ones, I think you meant to uncheck hoodoo

small sirenBOT
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*barnblitz is one of

the best ones, I think you meant

to uncheck hoodoo*

high current
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So very odd question for the more technically informed people here:
I've been benchmarking the performance impacts of various UI element control types all for the past couple days, using 5000 identical panels to get measurable results. And one result stood out as VERY noteworthy, Label elements with text with a 500% increase in ms/f.
Here's a few data points to illustrate how much of an outlier it was:

Control Test: 9330 frames 32.613 seconds 286.08 fps ( 3.50 ms/f) 24.055 fps variability
5000 EditablePanel: 9330 frames 64.995 seconds 143.55 fps ( 6.97 ms/f) 5.927 fps variability
5000 ImagePanel: 9330 frames 68.659 seconds 135.89 fps ( 7.36 ms/f) 5.134 fps variability
5000 Label w/o Text: 9330 frames 68.169 seconds 136.87 fps ( 7.31 ms/f) 5.211 fps variability
5000 Label w/ Text: 9330 frames 205.037 seconds 45.50 fps (21.98 ms/f) 0.500 fps variability

I did some investigating to see if there was any particular reason, including toggling font antialiasing on/off, font size, color, etc. all gave results within margin of error. I did notice that in my control test GPU usage and CPU usage were at 39% & 34 % respectively, with the label w/ text usage was at 14% & 42% respectively.
I'm curious if anyone has a technical explanation for why it is such a big difference vs other panel types? I assume fonts are processed dominantly on the CPU, but I'd think that if that were the case font antialiasing would have some notable change.

summer steeple
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out of curiosity, did you try changing the length of the text?

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was that also negligible?

left sand
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i suspect it's just the font renderkng calls to windows thats are expensive, regardless of the parameters for antialiased or not

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this is something i could fix if you provided the sample file

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@high current

kind falcon
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đŸ€Ż

high current
high current
high current
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I sent it in a DM so the public discord doesn't get dropped a 1.5MB res file.

kind falcon
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whats wrong with that

high current
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I just generally don’t send files for download in public discords. Always seems sketchy to me. Probably for no reason.

The file is literally just a bunch of layers of nested EditablePanels with the inner most layer being all Labels in this case. For a total of 5000, takes about 5 minutes to replicate with copy+paste.

rare creek
crisp cedar
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p sure u don't even need tc2 for custom fonts

kind falcon
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inject mactype trollfig

left sand
potent wolf
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friend!

wintry marlin
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Valve pls fix

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  1. join server
  2. go to class select screen
  3. spam td_buyback into console 50 times
  4. pick class
    5)profit
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this is reminding me of left 4 dead

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if you know you know, you can solo entire campaigns and do survival maps for 20 hours straight.

crisp cedar
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pog

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easy tours

wintry marlin
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note that the spam will annoy everyone in the server

astral crow
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very annoying

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the bot didnt even help us, it just spammed the command over and over again

wintry marlin
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I am aware of bots

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they don't play to get rewards

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they're there just to stall lobbies and servers

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so even without this glitch they wouldn't be helpful.

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they would afk without choosing a class and it would make them impossible to kick.

astral crow
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mhm

wild grove
wintry marlin
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bots will be bots

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people who don't want to play mvm will just troll

mystic turtle
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any advice for seeing players in TF2 in certain scenarios?
For example, if I'm sniping from the left side of the blue battlements on 2fort (relative to blu), I can't see snipers on the right side of the red battlements (again, relative to blu)
the snipers are next to impossible to see

kind falcon
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idk boost up the gamma

mystic turtle
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I'll see if that works
Linux seems to be allergic to setting gamma lmao

rare creek
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i can see just fine on default gamma

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increasing it makes the colors washed out and makes it harder to see for me

rare creek
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Has valve patched the money glitch yet

potent wolf
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Uh, no?

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there haven't been any updates since january

rare creek
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Dead game

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So sas

kind falcon
rare creek
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Infinte gold pan or someting

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Idk I'd idnt watch the video

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And don't know enough about how mvm works to know if it will cause inflation

cursive peak
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The money glitch should just make it quicker to plow through tours. RNG is still gonna be a big factor for the rewards.

daring tiger
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yeah it's only going to speed it up slightly, having good mvm knowledge already allows people to do it pretty fast so it's not going to change that much

cursive peak
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It'd be more likely to devalue Australiums than anything. Greater supply and all that.

formal dew
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There's always an update drought for the first 6 months of the year

grim parcel
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tf is this

daring tiger
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an idiot

steel orbitBOT
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gentle reminder: idiot is ableist language. Some alternatives: uninformed, ignorant, incorrect, wrong

daring tiger
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oh no I'm going to be banned for being ableist

potent wolf
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oh noes

kind falcon
# grim parcel

why interrupt normal gameplay when spamming the chat with disconnects is way better

potent wolf
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your going to explode

slender nexus
grim parcel
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valvo doesn't like nix sad

potent wolf
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works for me

grim parcel
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bruh i literally can't connect to any server

potent wolf
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restart your computer, that usually fixes it for me

daring tiger
potent wolf
daring tiger
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sorry I use replayhook

potent wolf
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:O

wintry marlin
hoary geyser
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wow i can't believe scylorn is a kingpin mann vs machine cheater

high current
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So no, not gonna have an effect on ausies or golden pans. If that did they’d already be worthless.

spare obsidian
# high current I mean, people have been spin bot snipering MvM for ages, pretty sure you get en...

https://youtu.be/id_bNTpdG9Q?t=378 is worse that you may think lol

It's worse than you think, actually.

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kind falcon
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how

spare obsidian
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because matchmaking group ids aren't encryped

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you can literally generate group invites

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by just copying out the id

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and sort of ddos someone by not letting them buy upgrades lol

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in csgo these ids are encrypted in tf2 nop lol

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they're literally has is

kind falcon
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mb

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pretty cool of this game

spare obsidian
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iirc that's how people in casual in the past

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could get in people's matches

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without being in the quote

rare creek
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Why isn't tf2 open source or whatever?

potent wolf
rare creek
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Why wouldn't it be

kind falcon
potent wolf
kind falcon
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look up tf2 source code on google

rare creek
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No it isnt

high current
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If you’re going to profit off something it’s usually pretty hard to open source it.

potent wolf
kind falcon
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okay, CURRENT source code isnt available

high current
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People did. And they buy items from it

kind falcon
potent wolf
kind falcon
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the only way to get premium is the store ..,. or you overpay..

rare creek
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The game being open source won't make crates fr

potent wolf
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Also, the source code can't really be released due to licensing issues

rare creek
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ee

high current
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Also open sourcing a multiplayer game would have a lot of security implications. Just look at how scared people got when old source code leaked, now imagine if that was every single day and people could view the current code.

rare creek
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Couldn't they just fix the bugs

potent wolf
kind falcon
rare creek
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Cheaters probably found every security bug and are exploiting them right now

kind falcon
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maybe

high current
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Pretty sure sigsev has community several weapons from finding several RCEs, so not like they didn’t exist or weren’t a big deal.

potent wolf
high current
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If cheaters were exploiting RCEs you wouldn’t be able to play the game without losing your PC

potent wolf
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of any kind

rare creek
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If people could see the source code they could just patch the bugs themselves

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Oh my godddd

kind falcon
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do that

high current
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True. But if they had source code more could be located more easily. They’d get patched quicker but they’d also be more blatantly vulnerable. That’s probably the main reason companies don’t make their code available

kind falcon
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🙂

potent wolf
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You don't need the source code to do that either....

kind falcon
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no

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i havent

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thats a cool cat

high current
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Plus yeh. If you’re good at doing something, don’t do it for free. Valve realized they were good at making games in the early 2000s so they protected their IPs so they could contract or sell it if they wanted.

It’s sorta like saying “why does Disney go to such extreme lengths to keep their production information secret?” (They do by the way). I had to sign and NDA to deliver camera batteries to the lobby of a film set they were working on.

potent wolf
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They've already made the SDK available to everyone too

rare creek
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Valve isn't good at it tho

high current
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VSCode is mostly open source, but Microsoft distributed it with closed source stuff tacked on. That’s just how business works.

kind falcon
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vs copiu,m.

high current
potent wolf
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but i'm sure they all sucked trollfig

rare creek
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I'm just gonna end this convo right here and go back to sucking dick or whatever

kind falcon
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hamborg

potent wolf
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beans

kind falcon
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beams

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AND TRACERS??

potent wolf
kind falcon
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everywhere i go i see hikikostar

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erm @next nymph why doesnt cleantf2plus remove spooky sheops

rare creek
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Erm...

kind falcon
rare creek
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This is why tf2 can't be open source it will allow people to enable green scout which wasn't ever possible before

kind falcon
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it is still possible

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jujst look at my screenshot!

rare creek
potent wolf
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No, it isn't

high current
kind falcon
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silly pink guy

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@potent wolf hes just like you

high current
rare creek
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They will download tf2 source and set green_scout to 1

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There is nothing they cand o to prevent that...

potent wolf
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You can do stuff like that with external cheats anyway (like doghook....)

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you don't need source code access

rare creek
kind falcon
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@potent wolf how d o i bypass sv_Pire

potent wolf
kind falcon
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erm..

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let me try caxusla

potent wolf
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you can reverse engineer the game either way

kind falcon
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true .

rare creek
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I know that's my point

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sarcasm

potent wolf
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ok

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m

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very obvious...

kind falcon
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my green scout inst working

potent wolf
potent wolf
kind falcon
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@unborn pecan share sv pire bypas

rare creek
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I still don't get why it's such a bad idea for tf2 to be open source 😓

potent wolf
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the real problem is that it's literally impossible for valve to do it, even if they wanted to

rare creek
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The faster security bugs are found and fixed the more likely that valve will be there at all to push the updates that fix them

kind falcon
rare creek
slender nexus
rare creek
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Someone should ask anywya

kind falcon
rare creek
potent wolf
slender nexus
rare creek
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Why do console messages sometimes be in the wrong order

potent wolf
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i was whining about exactly that yesterday lmao

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i've got no clue why they do, but it's really annoying

rare creek
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Is it fixed in team comtress yer

potent wolf
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No

rare creek
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Bruhuj

kind falcon
rare creek
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It might be pc dependent since on my old PC it wasn't like this

kind falcon
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your computer is too fast

formal dew
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isn't that behavior affected by mat_queue_mode

rare creek
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I've always used queue mode 2 so no

rare creek
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Ok good

grim parcel
kind falcon
slender nexus
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testicles

kind falcon
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Hikikostar was certainly taking a comedic approach when she said the word "testicles". Her joke was met with a multitude of reactions and reactions, some laughing, some in disbelief, and some shrugging it off. Regardless, Hikikostar provided an excellent example of how humor can be used to bring people together and make a situation more lighthearted.

slender nexus
wintry marlin
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watching new weezy video and checking the comments be like:

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why are tf2 fans so braindead

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Talking about a glitch = they created the glitch

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do these people even play the gamemode

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valve could give you literal godmode in mvm and it wouldn't make a fucking difference

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the imaginary dollar that drops from robots are literally just that

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having quadrillions of it means jack shit

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greatest takes of the century of self-proclaimed mvm fans

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you can't profit from having mvm money
mann up is still a fucking gamba machine

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you're gambling your time and money if you play mann up just for the rewards

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this glitch doesn't make a fucking difference when it comes to that

summer steeple
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tacobot moment

wintry marlin
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I for one support adding godmode or a literal skip button to playing mvm if it meant that all tacobot and gacha posessed brainlets stop complaining and just waste their money in other means
all that talk about being metaslaves is just so they can gamble faster

orchid sorrel
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the true chad way of playing mvm is queing for expert bootcamp and carrying noob teams

wintry marlin
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person who gets it
person who doesn't get it

orchid sorrel
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they're both dumb

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just open crates if u want instant gambling

wintry marlin
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person who gets it but is evil*
person who doesn't get it but is good*

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yeah

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tf2 discourse has peaked

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Blamblo thinks bots are evil but at the same time has the same perspective as them
shiny = I want

potent wolf
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death to the economy

wintry marlin
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counterargument:
this glitch makes valve more money because it makes people gamble faster

rare creek
orchid sorrel
summer steeple
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honestly like, this changes basically nothing in terms of mvm gameplay

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you will kill a big enemy 1/2 second faster

next nymph
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is there any setup thats more viable with infinite dollars

wintry marlin
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and it makes stupid loadouts viable

summer steeple
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i'd prefer if it was fixed because it is a bug

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but thats just me

wintry marlin
orchid sorrel
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Milk needles are low key slept on

crisp cedar
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its time to turn mann up tours into crates

summer steeple
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one of these days i'd like to do the potato.tf achievement for doing a mission with only medics

orchid sorrel
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They have a hidden stat that builds your uber faster

crisp cedar
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convert all mann up tours into unlocked crates

summer steeple
orchid sorrel
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Yeah, any health healed via milk gives u bonus uber

rare creek
summer steeple
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bruh

orchid sorrel
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Milk a giant and have a low hp heavy heal off it

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Instant 40%

rare creek
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What the hecc is milk needles

next nymph
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uber is an outdated strat with infinite money, just use canteens

wintry marlin
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upgrade

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on any syringe gun

rare creek
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Oh

next nymph
orchid sorrel
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Inf money was fixed in potato the day it went public

potent wolf
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"milk"

wintry marlin
orchid sorrel
#

Mad milk is actually radiated pus

potent wolf
#

that is so much worse....

orchid sorrel
cursive peak
#

Now imagine chugging it.

potent wolf
wintry marlin
crisp cedar
#

yeah and bonk is piss lmfao right guys

#

and and and

#

and

wintry marlin
#

mountain dewwww

crisp cedar
#

and uhm

#

and the dalokohs bar is POOP!! hahahahha

#

grosssssss

#

and the meat in the sandwich is DOG FOOD

wintry marlin
#

dalokohs is actually ham

potent wolf
#

We're very mature

crisp cedar
#

and the scrumpy is actually horseradish juice LOL

orchid sorrel
#

Dalokohs is kinda doo doo lets be real

#

Esp after they got rid of the overheal

wintry marlin
#

tbh none of you had russian chocolate

#

I pity you

crisp cedar
#

i mean

next nymph
#

when im russian theres no time for stalin

crisp cedar
#

good chocolate isnt exclusive to russia

#

europe in general has pretty good chocolate

orchid sorrel
crisp cedar
#

ive heard europeans have went to america and then tried their chocolate

#

and it was awful

#

like it tasted so bad

wintry marlin
#

yeah

next nymph
orchid sorrel
#

Probably hersheys

wintry marlin
#

yea

orchid sorrel
#

Erm what the scallop

wintry marlin
#

cactus

potent wolf
wintry marlin
#

if you're euro and go to us don't do hersheys

#

do hishes

next nymph
#

there is good american chocolate, just dont buy it if you can find it at a dollar store

#

its like yeah there is good american cheese, just not plastic slices of it

wintry marlin
#

also

#

maple syrup is acquired taste

potent wolf
#

how dare you

potent wolf
#

its great

wintry marlin
#

I like it

#

just not saying

potent wolf
next nymph
#

maple syrup is another thing, theres a huge difference between actual maple syrup and the cheap stuff

wintry marlin
#

not everyone thinks about trees when eating syrup

potent wolf
#

I eat tree, taste good

next nymph
#

wait til you hear where they get cinnamon from

wintry marlin
#

sticks

potent wolf
#

cinnamon sticks in milk

#

đŸ€€

orchid sorrel
#

Wrong image

#

Bootcamp moment

#

Would u believe me if i said i was gunboats and liberty launcher

#

This was a week before the exploit stuff happened

high current
#

Liberty launcher + gunboats isn’t bad it’s just not the best. Mvm is pretty easy if you have 3.5 brain cells so you don’t have to meta slave. Also it’s boot camp

orchid sorrel
#

Broken parts tho

high current
#

Also why are people talking about the exploit like it’s the end of the world? Spinbotting mvm bots don’t care if they have $400 or $4M

#

As long as they can afford explosive headshot it doesn’t matter.

orchid sorrel
#

More accessible than using cheat bots ig

#

So you see exploiters more often than cheaters/bots

crisp cedar
#

at the end of the day as cool as mvm is it doesnt really have the player retention that l4d would have

#

the only reason to play mvm is for tour rewards

orchid sorrel
#

Which is unfortunate

high current
#

Not at a harmful scale. Not enough to concern the economy of the game. 1 spin bot farms more than 10 exploiting legit playersđŸ€·â€â™‚ïž

crisp cedar
#

that and its not a pvp gamemode

orchid sorrel
#

Probably the main reason i dont like mann up anymore

hybrid cloud
#

if mvm didn't have rewards i don't think it would have more than 20 people playing

crisp cedar
#

so it doesnt affect other players if someone cheats

orchid sorrel
#

Loot has rotted everyones brain

high current
#

I enjoy MvM with no expectation of loot. I do get loot but idgaf

crisp cedar
#

thats cool

#

i think mvm is dope

#

but i feel like the novelty of the gamemode wears off fast

orchid sorrel
#

Mvm would have more players if it actually got new content

crisp cedar
#

and you kinda wanna just play tf2 after that

high current
#

It does. It’s fun to play different mvm tours with friends at the end of scrims or whatever.

crisp cedar
#

funnily mvm had a ton more maps planned for release

#

like 2.5x the current mvm map pool

orchid sorrel
#

Yes, mvm died when mike booth left valve

#

So about a hear after 2city

high current
#

Honestly if they add an mvm tour in the summer update I’ll be more hype than a new payload map

crisp cedar
#

thatd be pretty dope

#

community mvm tours

#

that arent community hosted

high current
#

They already acknowledge them

crisp cedar
#

i feel like that would open a can of worms valve wouldnt want to risk opening but at the same time

#

id want that

#

no

orchid sorrel
#

we have a summer community tour coming soon

crisp cedar
#

theres a difference between saying "hey the community is hosting some mvm maps that arent in the base game" and "hey we added a new tour to the mvm map pool, the maps are by community creators"

#

if they wanted they could add like

#

warpaint cases exclusive to the tour

#

or something

#

in dota they had a thing where they added a pve gamemode (which was fun as fuck, its like a coop roguelike) and at launch players had the opportunity to compete for rewards

#

the group of players to like beat the event the fastest for example got rewards

#

at the highest difficulty

orchid sorrel
#

Valve will never add official community tours because they dont know how to monetize them

crisp cedar
#

so you could add some one of a kind cosmetic by being at the top

#

i literally

#

just came up with an idea

#

of how to propose them and how to make people play them even more

cursive peak
#

Just give the creators a cut of the tour tickets used on them.

orchid sorrel
#

And nobody is left that wants to figure out a solution

#

Its why the comm medal ban is still in place

#

And will never be lifted

#

Nobody at valve cares enough to find a solution

crisp cedar
#

im pretty sure valve doesnt pay community contributors a cut for every time someone unboxes their cosmetic

#

theyre just paid and thats that

orchid sorrel
#

Its based on key sales, yes

cursive peak
#

They do get a cut of crate specific key sales.

crisp cedar
#

that sounds really inconvenient to use

#

sounds like a really inconvenient way to pay people

cursive peak
#

It's not dissimilar to how entertainment works.

high current
#

Just add the “support community map” stamp thing to the mvm maps. And pay them the same as every map creator?

crisp cedar
#

sounds good

high current
#

I don’t think it’d need to be more complicated

orchid sorrel
#

Just add comm maps to bootcamp and give them stamps

crisp cedar
#

i still think they can do a community tour

high current
#

Why just boot camp? That’s like adding a community map to pass time

crisp cedar
#

its not an impossible task not even for the current tf team

#

or whats left of it

cursive peak
#

Community tour, special tickets, creators get an initial payment + cut of special ticket sales.

orchid sorrel
crisp cedar
#

they had a cosmetic case you can only get through the contracker

#

with jungle inferno pass

orchid sorrel
#

Same reason they dont make new contract campaigns

crisp cedar
#

so why not just let them get cases through tours

#

not just cases but yknow

high current
crisp cedar
#

yeah they can just add a cosmetic/warpaint case on top

#

they release multiple cases per update either way

#

so they can just release multiple

orchid sorrel
#

Why would they make a new tour thats just the same rewards as 2city/mecha

#

Lol

crisp cedar
#

one from random drops and one from tours

high current
#

Why would they add any new map to the game? variety

orchid sorrel
#

Yeah and valve clearly dont care about variety in mvm

#

And mvm in general

cursive peak
#

Gear Grinder should give Aussies, too.

orchid sorrel
#

It does

crisp cedar
#

how about this

#

botkiller kits

orchid sorrel
#

All adv and exp missions have aussies

crisp cedar
#

lets complicate the system even more

#

put a botkiller head on your warpainted gun just because thatd be funny

orchid sorrel
#

Ive been asking for botkillerozera for a while

Would love attachments that arent xmas lights

crisp cedar
#

i honestly love the xmas lights regardless of season

orchid sorrel
#

I dont mind them but it sucks thats our only option

high current
#

True. To the Xmas lights

orchid sorrel
#

I would love more xmas maps, but given how valve are too lazy to even have a new contract pass, it just wont happen

#

They haven’t touched mvm since blue moon, outside of community bug fixes

#

No wait, they added the weird inspection block

hybrid cloud
#

make like a minigun with robo heavy's gaping skull as the muzzle new mvm reward

orchid sorrel
#

So a botkiller

wintry marlin
hybrid cloud
#

botkiller but it's on / part of the gun instead of being some sort of primitive r6s charm

crisp cedar
#

anyways what could they add as a reward to new tours?

  • exclusive warpaint case
  • exclusive cosmetic case
  • exclusive unusualifier?
  • botkiller kits
  • give an exclusive cosmetic to the top 100 players to beat the hardest difficulty most efficiently (fastest, least deaths, most money collected, least distance bomb was delivered by bots, tank kill time, MANY stats u can play with)
#

see how smart i am

hybrid cloud
#

too much work

wintry marlin
crisp cedar
#

they can revive mvm for a few weeks and cash a lot of money in

hybrid cloud
#

here's community contributed bug fixes implemented by a contractor

crisp cedar
#

im not saying valve will do it

wintry marlin
#

deep rock galactic is the superior mvm mode istg

crisp cedar
#

but this is what valve could do if they wanted to

crisp cedar
#

like

#

in regards to the map

small sirenBOT
#

*isnt drg a

wholy procedurally

generated game*

wintry marlin
#

yes

crisp cedar
#

well yeah that explains everything

wintry marlin
#

rogue-lite rather

#

the map is minecraft

#

not completely random, just has biomes

orchid sorrel
wintry marlin
#

true

#

and l4d is the original mvm

orchid sorrel
#

True l4d invented coop games!

wintry marlin
#

l4d invented co-op homicide simulator

orchid sorrel
cursive peak
#

Tower defense is the original MvM.

wintry marlin
#

blood money is the half-baked infinite battle pass

#

contracker is literally unfinished

orchid sorrel
#

I like blood money tbh

wintry marlin
#

I do

#

and I need it

#

to farm more warpaints

#

for my strange bovine blazemaker

orchid sorrel
#

Shame we never got mvm contracts

#

I liked the old potato contracts

crisp cedar
slender nexus
crisp cedar
#

i want hte economy to live purely because i find it fascinating

#

its like watching evolution

#

these people figured out how to have a currency

#

and make an economy out of it

orchid sorrel
#

A world without mann up and mvm loot

wintry marlin
#

roguelike = permadeath
roguelite = no permadeath

#

and also some other gameplay

#

roguelikes mimic dnd in a lot of ways

#

roguelites are almost anything as long as the map is never the same

#

at least the way I see it

crisp cedar
#

is minecraft a roguelite

wintry marlin
#

some of the most elitist and gatekeeping types would consider anything that doesn't look like rogue to not be rogue-like

wintry marlin
#

because it can feature permadeath if you really want to

#

but it's not a requirement

hybrid cloud
#

add an aussie shotgun and watch the mvm playerbase expand by a factor of 30

orchid sorrel
#

Is fire emblem a rougue like

#

Tf2 players when they have to play anything that isn’t 2fort and dustbowl (you have to have in game rewards or they wont play it)

hybrid cloud
#

true

wintry marlin
hybrid cloud
#

removal of 2fort and dustbowl results in the game being mass abandoned and only a few hundred players are left

wintry marlin
#

just so you know

#

the world doesn't have to be infinite for it to be rogue-lite

#

I consider warframe rogue-lite

crisp cedar
#

fuck 2fort

#

dustbowl fucks though keep dustobwl

wintry marlin
#

because it assembles the world in an almost random way out of tilesets

crisp cedar
#

i dont trust dustbowl haters

#

2fort fucking sucks though

orchid sorrel
#

Me when i hate the meat grinder pub map but not the other meat grinder pub map

wintry marlin
cursive peak
#

Dustbowl has no redeeming features.

wintry marlin
#

name a map that is dustbowl but better

formal dew
#

mercenary park

wintry marlin
#

the criteria is that it has to be liked by sadists and masochists

cursive peak
#

I'd rather play Gpit than Dustbowl.

wintry marlin
#

I think choke points peaked with powerhouse.

#

call it the chokehouse maybe.

craggy ridge
slender nexus
mystic turtle
#

Yeah

#

Too bad it kinda is sniper heaven

craggy ridge
#

I would take having cum all over my body any day of the week

#

over literally getting cancer

#

from radiation

orchid sorrel
#

Radioactive cum

#

u gotta remember scout drinks bonk! Which is radioactive

#

Maybe crit cola to?

high current
#

Depends on the type of radiation. Some interact with the body in no meaningful way.

potent wolf
#

Team Fortress 2 Megathread - god awful

craggy ridge
high current
#

I thought it was radioactive milk

craggy ridge
#

poucas ideias

wintry marlin
#

It's just called mad milk

summer steeple
#

its glue

wintry marlin
#

it's a non-milk substance, in their words

next nymph
#

butter

high current
#

Milk of magnesiađŸ€·â€â™‚ïž

#

Almond milk-substituteđŸ€·â€â™‚ïž

craggy ridge
#

can a milk be so radioactive that is no longer considered milk?

wintry marlin
#

Do you get mad milk from mad cows?

next nymph
high current
wintry marlin
#

Are mad cows made out of non-cow substances?

summer steeple
#

its soy milk, because scout wants the estrogen from the soy

next nymph
craggy ridge
#

you get mad milk from radioactive cows

#

ignores the highlighted text

high current
#

So it’s milk

wintry marlin
#

Now the item description

craggy ridge
#

it's because of soy milk

orchid sorrel
#

its so radioactive that you legally cant call it milk

#

or edible

next nymph
high current
#

Cesium is a biproduct of uranium refinement iirc. Which checks out with the thermonuclear description and the timeline of TF2. And it’s water soluble and absorbed by the body as if it were calcium.

next nymph
#

milk is not just liquid calcium

summer steeple
#

cisium

high current
#

I know. But it’s high in calcium, and the solubility in water means it wouldn’t be out of place in mutated milk

craggy ridge
#

what if the cows just produce milk because they want to

#

and not for the nourishment of their young

#

then it wouldn' t be considered milk

#

or maybe it's just not rich in fat or protein

next nymph
#

i just grabbed my carton of milk and it actually has more potassium than calcium

high current
#

That’s called dairy cows

next nymph
#

350mg vs 300mg

high current
wintry marlin
small sirenBOT
#

*told you to show the

item description, but I'm

doing it myself now.*

wintry marlin
#

so it's milk and not milk then.

high current
#

It’s cesium infused almond milk👀

wintry marlin
#

but almond milk is milk.

high current
craggy ridge
cursive peak
#

Malk.

next nymph
high current
#

Or maybe the radiation is a byproduct of mutating almonds enough to give them udders👀

craggy ridge
wintry marlin
#

and this fucking thing.

next nymph
orchid sorrel
#

its Saxton Hale's milk

high current
wintry marlin
craggy ridge
#

it's very much implied

next nymph
craggy ridge
#

unless it's another white fluid that comes from cow

#

but it can't be that actually

summer steeple
#

white blood cells

craggy ridge
#

because it says that it's milk

high current
wintry marlin
#

tf2 lore invented conflicting information and mixed messages

#

mammary glands.

next nymph
high current
wintry marlin
#

everyone has them, just not all of them are developed, essentially.

high current
#

And by that I mean spell check left the chat

craggy ridge
wintry marlin
#

that's why men have breast cancer.

#

if they didn't have breast, it would be 0%.

wintry marlin
craggy ridge
#

also chocolate eggs don't have serious advertisement saying that they carefully infused their bunnies with cocoa

next nymph
high current
#

I’m familiar with that. I just didn’t know how much of it was shared and didn’t want that in my search suggestions

orchid sorrel
#

it's naturally infused with australium

wintry marlin
#

definitely should put emphasis on ads being literally anything.

high current
#

What if it’s just white paint, and scout just huffs paint? Tell me he doesn’t look like he huffs paint.

next nymph
#

he is a boston boy

high current
#

Isn’t Boston where they painted watch dials with radium infused paint?

orchid sorrel
#

radium infused paint just sounds very 1960's USA in general

high current
#

I think it stopped production shortly after ww2 but I could be wrong.

next nymph
#

The incidents occurred at three different factories in United States: one in Orange, New Jersey, beginning around 1917; one in Ottawa, Illinois, beginning in the early 1920s; and a third facility in Waterbury, Connecticut, also in the 1920s.

high current
#

He runs fast. He could have run to New Jersey or Connecticut

next nymph
#

did you know that scout's grandmother participated in the 1912 Lawrence textile strike?

potent wolf
#

WTF

#

me no like getting stabbed

crisp cedar
#

lol what a take

wintry marlin
#

it's a cope

crisp cedar
#

this is like some sort of weird racism

#

yknow

#

when the world gets rid of blonde people they will have nobody to turn against

wintry marlin
#

his brain is flaccid and wrinkly

crisp cedar
#

so they will start turning on people whose hair is slightly bright

#

until none are left

#

same here

#

these people are like

potent wolf
#

bald people are superior trollfig

crisp cedar
#

they want to get rid of cheaters

#

and then they want to brand other ways to play the game as cheating

#

okay

wintry marlin
#

I want to hold his brain and squish

crisp cedar
#

just realized how shit

#

of an analogy this is

wintry marlin
#

squish

crisp cedar
#

point is

#

at the very least lets get rid of the real cheaters first

wintry marlin
#

overton window

potent wolf
#

spy mains are smelly cheaters and should be banned

wintry marlin
#

we should ban being good at games

#

because clearly it's the fault of capitalism that you managed to get good

#

you should distribute your skill among everyone

potent wolf
#

đŸ«Ą

wintry marlin
#

noobjak

potent wolf
#

lmao

rare creek
rare creek
#

being able to surf bullets is an unintentional and unfair mechanic and exploit... this is cheating!!!!

#

imminent banning of over 100,000 medic mains

craggy ridge
#

toonhud
no auto reloading

#

:(

rare creek
craggy ridge
sudden tinsel
#

What are some settings that increase visibility? I feel like the game is pretty dark and homogenous on mastercomfig-low

rare creek
#

Mat_monitorgamma 1.6 I think

sudden tinsel
#

Doesn't work on Linux unfortunately :/

#

I think that model rimlights might be one of the relevant settings?

rare creek
#

If you are running in that

#

Don't see any reason why it wouldn't work on Linux it's just a command

left sand
#

because there is no exclusive fullscreen on linux so there is no access to video modes

rare creek
#

low preset tends to look very dark in general

#

at the cost of some performance you can increase the lighting module to improve visibility

cursive peak
rare creek
cursive peak
#

Like when I linked it an hour ago?

rare creek
#

O hshit

kind falcon
#

key prices dropped 10 ref back down to 72

#

hey guys is time to gather the profit

formal dew
#

deflation spiral when

summer steeple
#

one day i will be able to buy 1 (one) key with my scrap

craggy ridge
#

what would happen to the economy

#

if valve spent 1 year without dropping metal

#

weapon drops would be uncraftable

kind falcon
#

what if they delete the game altogether

#

valve multiverse engineer builds portal sentries heavy uses negev

#

pyro unhazmats and becomes lina

mystic turtle
#

And Scout runs away from a Tank (the zombie) before milking it, and then he whips out a scattergun and performs a dramatic synchronized takedown with Bill, Heavy, Medic, Chell, and Gordon Freeman

#

Mann vs Zawmbeez and Machines
Now fighting GLaDOS and the Combine!

#

Or, Uber Lambda Fortress.

jagged pawn
kind falcon
radiant merlin
#

it should be changed to a half scrap drop system and all weapons should be available from first launch

#

or should be unlocked

mystic turtle
#

like, this is bull to be honest

mystic turtle
#

rng

#

anyways, gn

limpid panther
#

got a cosmetic random drop

#

for one of the classes I play the least...

next nymph
#

time to become a pyro main

kind falcon
#

gas guzzler

#

WTF

cursive peak
#

The Lunatic's Leathers is a great cosmetic.

craggy ridge
limpid panther
orchid sorrel
#

oops, didnt mean to ping sry

#

but yea I like the pyroland contracts because they (kinda) let you trial the weapon, see if you like it and give you the option to earn one yourself

#

feels like an improved version of the old achievment milestone weapons

limpid panther
kind falcon
#

puddin studied psychology

spare obsidian
cursive peak
#

Who?

summer steeple
#

this guy

spare obsidian
#

he say the R word twice

cursive peak
#

Never paid attention to the guy. The thumbnail looked stupid.

summer steeple
#

the thumbnail is the only thing i know about him

spare obsidian
#

i know him way back when i was in the Lambda fortress extended team

#

like 2017-8 or smth

#

it was bound to happen his behavior ain't change that much since then lol

wintry marlin
#

He made videos about gmod and whatever

#

So he just corncobbed himself to being banned, amazing.

#

I don't know how tf did this escalate past that terrible video but well done ig

spare obsidian
#

like i say his behavior didn't change when i met him back in 2017-8 lol

craggy ridge
spare obsidian
#

lol

wintry marlin
spare obsidian
#

yep

wintry marlin
#

wild

spare obsidian
#

i though he change since i got booted out the team and sever in late 2018

#

and got unbanned in 2021

kind falcon
#

i like ratlobber more

wintry marlin
#

ratlobber digs up repressed memories

spare obsidian
#

too bad because apparently ratlobber is defending ritcher behavior

wintry marlin
#

ratlobber style of video is cholesterol for your brain

kind falcon
wintry marlin
#

it's like he knows that you went to taco bell in 2015 and had painful stomach cramps and somehow copied the atmosphere of the public restroom and turned it into a video

kind falcon
#

imma eat blini

wintry marlin
#

or you're just bored and staring at the TV past 2 am because you can't sleep and it reminds you of the junk commercials

kind falcon
#

you do your own magic

wintry marlin
#

his magic is digging up obsolete media

#

not lost, obsolete

cursive peak
#

So, like, is this just petty bullshit drama, or is the guy a total scumbag?

wintry marlin
#

a kid torpedoing his reputation down

#

he made a terrible sensationalist doomer video (tf2 is over), tried to apologize for it
and now he got off twitter for being owned

cursive peak
#

Sounds like petty bullshit drama.

wintry marlin
#

pretty much

craggy ridge
#

tf2 weapon smash or pass

wintry marlin
#

the original: smash

#

that's it

#

everything else is pass

#

docking

#

ehehurtehfehrsdfnasd

cursive peak
#

So, like, I don't get the point of bringing the news here other than to stir the drama pot.

craggy ridge
kind falcon
#

black box

#

your beheading is scheduled for tomorrow

#

i miss escalier

crisp cedar
#

richter overtime suspended

potent wolf
crisp cedar
#

he said the r word a bunch of times

kind falcon
#

wow.. thats like... based and redpilled

spare obsidian
#

banned

radiant merlin
#

he's alive again

crisp cedar
#

new emote

radiant merlin
next nymph
#

actual new emote

spare obsidian
next nymph
#

i just went on his twitter and it's back up

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tweeted "I fucked up" about an hour ago

spare obsidian
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oh god

crisp cedar
hearty kelp
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I fucked up... here's my twitter apology

left sand
spare obsidian
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lol