Team Fortress 2 Megathread - winter is the most chill time of year

[cursive peak]

Jokes on you. I know where a PS2 copy is right now.

[spare obsidian]

it was kind of valve that let us a second chance to yet again screw it over

lol

sometimes this community is full of karens

[craggy ridge]

like an actual scary boss that can spook you

[spare obsidian]

lol

[left sand]

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Classless_Update major update

[wintry marlin]

every valve game without completing every game and not be obligated everything gearbox did*

[left sand]

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Haunted_Hallowe'en_Special major update

[spare obsidian]

lmao if whe're gonna whim about a game not getting a updated

why we not complain

for any valve mp game?

[wintry marlin]

tf2 fans please start making tf2 in rpgmaker

make tf2 undertale pls

[cursive peak]

What I want most out of an update is performance improvements, like TC2 style.

[left sand]

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Mac_Update major update

[slender nexus]

tf2 fans making TF2 in Roblox

[potent wolf]

Or maybe regression testing...

[slender nexus]

those goddamn earbuds

[potent wolf]

😭

[cursive peak]

Bring back the beta/early release branches.

[wintry marlin]

are there any people who got the cheater's lament who still play the game and are likeable people?

[spare obsidian]

sometimes i think this community is jsut straigh up brain death lol no wonder why there's another tf2 subreddit that's fill of this lol

[left sand]

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Very_Scary_Halloween_Special major update

[cursive peak]

I have the lament and still play. Likeable is debatable.

[left sand]

anyways

pretty much 50% of major updates

are literally

just cosmetics and maps

[wintry marlin]

I appreciate the honesty but I stand corrected

[slender nexus]

the TF2 reddit community is half cool LGBT people and half mega racists what do we expect

[left sand]

i feel like we only started getting regular major balance updates after 2014

and people like

dont remember

[cursive peak]

Summer 2013 had a nice, big balance update.

[left sand]

yes but people just look at how many major uodates there were before

and assume all of them were massive like MyM

or Gun Mettle

[slender nexus]

Gun Mettle was the first time I noticed they put balance changes right under the big announcements

[left sand]

but truth is, tf2 never had serious balance until they started trying to make it competitive

[wintry marlin]

thanks to that special

[left sand]

so people just misremember an old tf2 that never was

[wintry marlin]

very little indie

[spare obsidian]

tf2 technically had competitive mode

[wintry marlin]

called over something

[spare obsidian]

highlander and weapon whitelist

lol

idk why valve re-invented the wheel

when they did that years ago

[slender nexus]

b4nny personally ruining all the fun weapons because they're not competitive

[crisp cedar]

i think the update wont be just cosmetics

we have that contractor working for tf2 and we got vscript and such

[spare obsidian]

is actually two

lol

[cursive peak]

It says maps and taunts, too.

[crisp cedar]

honestly ill just be happy if we get like

normal maps

added to the game

[potent wolf]

We're probably going to get DXVK at the least

[crisp cedar]

like honestly im excited cuz

[potent wolf]

joshie mentioned that in the shounic discord

[crisp cedar]

i think the event maps are just repetitive

too same

y

[potent wolf]

Also ficools

[crisp cedar]

that and i dont want to play with halloween spells every time they add new maps

[potent wolf]

been teasing some stuff

[left sand]

yesh theres lots of cool stuff that is ready

[slender nexus]

what would DXVK do for most people
I know for people on the very low end it might not do anything because of driver support

[left sand]

👀

[crisp cedar]

anyways if i had to say i think this will be like

[cursive peak]

Ashville for the update.

[crisp cedar]

if a holiday update equals to 100% of what we normally get

[potent wolf]

YES

[crisp cedar]

then i think the summer update for 2023 will be like 115% of what we normally get

[spare obsidian]

i jsut want func_elevator since nextbox with moving platforms are jsut aids lol

they fixerd that in l4d2

[crisp cedar]

i mean it already is, non-halloween or christmas maps is literally big enough for me

[craggy ridge]

is ashville even good as a pub map

[cursive peak]

I don't think dxvk does much for people on good hardware, either. Portal 2 differences on my rig were negligible.

[left sand]

its mostly for linux

but can help sometimes on windows

[left sand]

well, we'll see.

[spare obsidian]

i just wish they ditch vgui lololo

[crisp cedar]

anyways im not expecting much

since i know what to expect

but im still excited

i think

okay hold onb

[potent wolf]

new base branch 👀

[wintry marlin]

how easy it is to have a moving platform in hammer?

[left sand]

nothing is confirmed ofc but im hopeful about the update

[small siren]

*nothing is confirmed

ofc but im hopeful

about the update*

- mcoms

[crisp cedar]

This is going to be a fantastic year for Team Fortress 2.

[spare obsidian]

out of curiosity how much of your TC2 fixes are getting in? like in percent?

[potent wolf]

???

[left sand]

tc2? what?

that project is dead....

[potent wolf]

murderer!

[spare obsidian]

🗿

[crisp cedar]

coms has a phone ☎️ in her house that dials straight to the tf team office

[radiant merlin]

i just want the tf team to fix shadows

[potent wolf]

true

[radiant merlin]

that shit has been broken since game launch

[spare obsidian]

wrong branch dude

[left sand]

they gave up fixing shadows in csgo

and instead used a whole new shadow system

[radiant merlin]

yeah i want that

[left sand]

i dont

[radiant merlin]

i'll keep dreaming

[crisp cedar]

well port tf2 to source 2 then!!! 😠

whats the big idea!

[potent wolf]

they just have to press the "make source 2" button!

[spare obsidian]

so what are you gonna do with the csgo csm? lol

[potent wolf]

i don't see why they don't

"lol"

[radiant merlin]

yeah sharp shadows doesn't look that good in tf2 i guess

[left sand]

but tbf, tf2 does look really cool

[grim parcel]

nooo i like seeing people through walls so i can kill them :(

[wintry marlin]

Valve are too busy playing game of thrones inside of their offices to do anything right please STAY FUCKING PATIENT OKAY IT'S VERY SERIOUS

[crisp cedar]

WAIT

SO THATS WHAT THAT SHIT IS

[potent wolf]

barnblitz

[crisp cedar]

ON HIGHTOWER

[spare obsidian]

remove all maps

[radiant merlin]

badwater map room

[spare obsidian]

and just put sdk_example

[grim parcel]

yeah you can just see peoples shadows it’s fun

[crisp cedar]

honestly i hope they make vsh a real gamemode with vscript

like

[small siren]

*honestly i hope

they make vsh a real

gamemode with vscript*

- rayne

[crisp cedar]

with hte summer update

player destruction was kind of not made by valve

so

i think thatd be funny

and interesting

[grim parcel]

they should add sex with vscript for the summer update

[crisp cedar]

you WISH

[spare obsidian]

how about robot destruction? that shit been in beta for eons

[small siren]

*how about robot

destruction? that shit been in

beta for eons*

- Krispy

[crisp cedar]

no

[potent wolf]

PD is the better RD

[radiant merlin]

i want that hl2 style map that is a normal version of monster bash

[crisp cedar]

i dont like robot destruction

yes

player destruction supremacy

[grim parcel]

when twink destruction

[potent wolf]

🫡

@craggy ridge

[crisp cedar]

were getting pd_powerhouse

pd_hightower

pd_2fort

all the flavors

[grim parcel]

@craggy ridge you wanna play on td_hightower?

[crisp cedar]

pd_viaduct

[radiant merlin]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2890208830&searchtext=atom+smash

[craggy ridge]

whats td

[potent wolf]

pd_harvest

[spare obsidian]

can we get a killbox map?

[potent wolf]

twink destruction

[grim parcel]

twink destruction, it’s the new game mode being added in the summer update

[spare obsidian]

there's not a update, this is just a collective cope made by the community

wake up

[grim parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-cope-harder-saul-goodman3d-better-call-saul-saul-goodman-gif-24033192

[cursive peak]

Twink Destruction is going in the Sex Update.

[crisp cedar]

yes

[next nymph]

they should make a map that includes mechanics of all gamemodes simultaneously

[radiant merlin]

also i want rumford to be added to the map pool

[craggy ridge]

I am going to devour you

[spare obsidian]

nice ficool pictures lol

[craggy ridge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717498714259980378/1012508512053645342/ezgif-2-4d7905e1af.gif

[crisp cedar]

also yeah tf2 is a great looking game

[left sand]

these are mine?

what

[crisp cedar]

i dont rly want a graphical update

i mean

if we get one and it looks good ill take it

[next nymph]

you are ficool

[grim parcel]

ok but how do i fix the flickering in the skybox around there 😭

[cursive peak]

Higher res textures would be nice.

[left sand]

this isnt ficools work at all

[crisp cedar]

but its pretty good where it stands and has stood the test of time

[grim parcel]

i’m into twinks not vore

[crisp cedar]

masterful gambit sir

[potent wolf]

funny engineer man

[crisp cedar]

ok my game doesnt look like that wtf

[grim parcel]

no way shadows look that good

[radiant merlin]

what are you cooking

[grim parcel]

i gotta turn my settings up

[next nymph]

consider running mastercomfig ultra

[spare obsidian]

[radiant merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[crisp cedar]

you mean theres a big difference

[potent wolf]

considering getting -2 fps

[wintry marlin]

holy shit vore

[crisp cedar]

i settled on just high because i didnt care about textures looking bad when i look too close at them

you mean theres more

[grim parcel]

downscale from 4k, use mastercomfig ultra, and then -no_texture_stream

[crisp cedar]

ty

ill write this down for when i play tf2 again

[wintry marlin]

technically vore exists in tf2 with the gaping ass monsters you see at halloween

[potent wolf]

TF2 doesn't even look that bad on lower settings

[grim parcel]

are you going to come back for twink destruction?

[crisp cedar]

it doesnt look bad

[crisp cedar]

i didnt quit

im busy

[radiant merlin]

source 2? i think csgo doesn't have dynamic penumbras

[crisp cedar]

i have real life obligations and finally have the drive to study

so yeah..got a couple deadlines to meet

what about it

[grim parcel]

i don’t need professional help when andrew garfield is right in front of me god damn it

[crisp cedar]

youre gonna hold me to it?

whos andrew garfield

[craggy ridge]

how would that gamemode work out

[grim parcel]

yes

[grim parcel]

a hot british guy

[crisp cedar]

its like dueling minigame except the entire server duels you

[grim parcel]

(rare)

[craggy ridge]

how do you not know who he is

it's the orange cat

[grim parcel]

he’s the twink spiderman

[crisp cedar]

i know whos garfield

not andrew garfield

[left sand]

this is an integration of CSM from CS:GO into TF2, but my own custom modifications to the CSM shaders

[crisp cedar]

look

treat me like an alien

[wintry marlin]

collecting beer for the twink until the twink spaceship crashes with whichever side that gave the most beer wins

[crisp cedar]

oh

[craggy ridge]

STOPPPPPPPP

[grim parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-andrew-garfield-funny-take-photo-selfie-gif-16424882

[crisp cedar]

i got lied to

[left sand]

and other shaders

[craggy ridge]

I'M GOING TO BOMB YOUR CITY

[radiant merlin]

looks cool

[grim parcel]

[crisp cedar]

anyways

treat me like an alien i havent seen a single movie

[potent wolf]

what!?!?!?!?!

[radiant merlin]

though sharp shadows... mmm

[crisp cedar]

i havent listened to any music

[grim parcel]

send it to joshie rn

[potent wolf]

when did you do this?

[crisp cedar]

i havent played any non valve games

i know nothing. im an alien

[spare obsidian]

mscom compiling shaders for an entire week just for 4 pictures 💀

[grim parcel]

chad steam user

[potent wolf]

?

[spare obsidian]

editing source shaders are aids

[grim parcel]

ms com? microsoft?????

[spare obsidian]

specially when it comes to ligh map generic

[left sand]

2020

[crisp cedar]

summer 2023 update guys

leaked

[left sand]

no this was for something else but i thought it looked good in tf2 too

and i optimized shader compilation

so it didnt take too long actually

[wintry marlin]

do you think in the 8 years it took to make tf2 valve could have optimized their next speedrun stategy and make the game in 4 years, splitting their total time in half?

[spare obsidian]

damn and i'm fighting here to compile just light map generic 💀

[left sand]

nah

[grim parcel]

posting this to reddit for free karma /j

[potent wolf]

😭

[left sand]

this is something that wouldnt get in

[potent wolf]

yeah, fair

[left sand]

its way too extensive lol

[grim parcel]

but it’s so cool :((

[left sand]

and breaks all maps

[grim parcel]

oh

[left sand]

you have to recompile every map

or else it crashes

[wintry marlin]

tbh worth

[spare obsidian]

imagine recompiling every single tf2 map

[grim parcel]

no

[spare obsidian]

lol

[radiant merlin]

yeah it's worth

[grim parcel]

it isn’t worth it

[wintry marlin]

it's like dota 2 vs dota 2 reborn

[spare obsidian]

should tf2 ditch dx8 support?

[wintry marlin]

it sucks at first but then everything becomes nice afterwards

[radiant merlin]

yes

[left sand]

at this point, no

i mean id love to but theres not enough development to justify it

[wintry marlin]

tf2 is a legacy valve game

computers from 2007 are supposed to be able to run it

makes sense right?

[grim parcel]

i wouldn’t say that’s super accurate anymore

[wintry marlin]

exactly.

[left sand]

the thing is

[radiant merlin]

alright hear me out

[crisp cedar]

tf2 when we finally upgrade to directx 11

[left sand]

a lot of care has to be taken

[radiant merlin]

stickies colliding with func_brush

[left sand]

when dropping support for things

because valve is a company

and has received money for things

[grim parcel]

3kliksphillip thumbnail

[left sand]

so theres contracts basically

for support to be delivered

for a product

[crisp cedar]

that was the joke

[slender nexus]

[left sand]

HOWEVER

[crisp cedar]

i just installed a lens flare plugin for paint.net just for this joke

[cursive peak]

Just imagine the community backlash if DX8 was dropped.

[small siren]

*Just imagine the

community backlash if

DX8 was dropped.*

- Steamworks

[grim parcel]

i’m so proud of you

[left sand]

there would be

a lot of backlash for a lot of beneficial changes

[radiant merlin]

"no i can't play wiht minceraft graphics anymore 😭"

[wintry marlin]

the cost of dropping support needs to be compared to the gained benefit of having more time to do everything else.

I don't think it would matter for tf2 lmao.

[spare obsidian]

didn't valve have like an already consideration of removing dx8? on a l4d2 tech presentation about how they removed ps2.0 shaders from the engine since at that point computers that only handle that shader level where already obsolete?

[potent wolf]

mcoms when a full sentence

[slender nexus]

b4nny will scream his head off because gets 10 less fps

[left sand]

the point is to make the changes overwhelmingly beneficial when you drop support

[wintry marlin]

I agree

[crisp cedar]

what if they release tf2 for rtx

[potent wolf]

ew

[left sand]

yes but they didnt port to TF2 precisely because of this and other things, and at this point theres not ever gonna be stuff to justify that

[wintry marlin]

release tf2 for samsung fridge maybe

[left sand]

l4d was a new branch, new product

[grim parcel]

conga line but ray traced

[left sand]

dx8 is one of those things that its hard to justify. a lot of people would need to see a massive boost to even consider it. but some other breaking changes could be more exciting

[radiant merlin]

ragdolls colliding with func_brush

[spare obsidian]

i mean iirc dx8 in tf2 50/50 broken experience for beginners

[left sand]

the lack of some graphical features is a feature for the users

[spare obsidian]

the funny thing is, competitive match making forces you to use dx9 lol

idk why

[cursive peak]

I've seen people call DX9 TF2 "unplayable"

[left sand]

yeah because they wanted to maintain integrity

[unborn pecan]

average TF2 moment

[potent wolf]

comp matchmaking forces a lot of things

[grim parcel]

it is, i literally need ubers to look like potatoes in order to play

[potent wolf]

potato medigun

it turns you into potat

[slender nexus]

Play Dough ubers

[crisp cedar]

literally unplayable

[radiant merlin]

valve could drop dx80 support and add "potato" quality options

[crisp cedar]

a lot of work for what

[spare obsidian]

i mean the engine technically still supports dx7 and dx6 lol

[grim parcel]

no because lower number = better performance ofc

[spare obsidian]

for odd reasons

[crisp cedar]

because theyre gonna add rtx remix support, duh

thats why

[grim parcel]

an older build of tf2 also supported opengl on windows

[wintry marlin]

some people wish dx8 only had graphical impact but since that box is open there's no closing it now

people found a way to optimize the fun out of the game.

[spare obsidian]

also imagine running nvidia remix on a mp game and getting vac banned in the procces

💀

[wintry marlin]

there's an argument for dx8 being accessibility

[summer steeple]

the thing is though, dx9 has been around for like

21 years???

the chances that someone is playing tf2 at a playable framerate on hardware that can't run dx9 is like slim to none

[crisp cedar]

accessibility how

[summer steeple]

albeit, due to bloat, i guess maybe dx8 could give some people enough performance to be playable

[crisp cedar]

ah

performnace

[wintry marlin]

yeah I was also going to call bs on people assuming that tf2 was the launch title that required new gen hardware in the year 2007

[spare obsidian]

the problem with the engine is that how everything but assets loading is multhi thread

[wintry marlin]

I would assume it was supposed to be possible to run with pcs that were made in 1997

live service games are a whole different beast though.

though I lack any personal experience with tech development throughout 00's-10's.
I could only help to notice that pcs that were built in 2015 are capable to run 2022 games at medium or less.

[slender nexus]

Can't wait for someone to play Fortnite on PS3-Linux via GeForce Now

[hoary geyser]

couldn't dx8 just decrease your performance because of it being outdated

well, more outdated then dx9

[grim parcel]

i can’t wait to play fortnite on my wii running netbsd

[wintry marlin]

fortnite released in 2017 and my 2013 pc was able to run it 720p just fine but now? I don't even want to know.

[slender nexus]

yeah but it's also lighter because it's so old

[hoary geyser]

conclusion: switch to dx6

[grim parcel]

no dx2

[wintry marlin]

everyone should switch to an open source dx6 equivalent

everyone should have an arduino gaming pc

[slender nexus]

UE4 (and UE5) scales incredibly well

[hoary geyser]

force the game to run on dx6 and use dxvk

[wintry marlin]

advice for upcoming game developers:
make your game with assumption that your users are using 10 year old hardware

and not 2023 10 year old

[grim parcel]

opengl

[wintry marlin]

2015 10 year old hardware

[slender nexus]

everyone is playing on grandma's laptop

[grim parcel]

that’s almost 20 year old hardware

[wintry marlin]

development progressed slowly since 2015

[slender nexus]

can't believe 2015 was 20 years ago

[grim parcel]

i mean in some ways yes but not really?

like take cores for example

an average pc now has a lot more than the 4c/4t i5s from back then

[wintry marlin]

fair though I stretched the truth and made the most extreme example

[slender nexus]

Ryzen pretty much changed everything

[wintry marlin]

I am on 4c/4t right now

[grim parcel]

yeah i’m not saying ignore old hardware, but optimizations should be in place for people with systems that are the average now

[wintry marlin]

which average

[grim parcel]

steam hardware survey

[next nymph]

you should watch American Psycho and No Country for Old Men

[slender nexus]

most systems on the steam hardware survey are way above the performance level of the average TF2 player
especially those on laptops

[grim parcel]

and the amazing spiderman, andrew garfield is pretty hot

[summer steeple]

yes but because of lower quality assets in some cases that are used on dx8 and not dx9 performance tends to be higher

in an ideal situation, the lower quality assets would also be available on dx9

[grim parcel]

i was just talking about games in general, not tf2 specifically

[next nymph]

got nothing on tobey

[wintry marlin]

50% of people having 16GB of RAM is not something I was prepared for

[jaunty willow]

heh

[next nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tobey-maguire-flip-hair-gif-14676501

[slender nexus]

31% of people surveyed have 6core cpus

[wintry marlin]

it took me until 2020 to get 16GB of RAM on my current pc

which is fucking expensive mind you

[summer steeple]

bruh i literally like can't view the hardware survey, I never have

[wintry marlin]

DDR3 isn't cheap

[summer steeple]

it just redirects me to the main steam page

[grim parcel]

same lmao

[slender nexus]

The average surveyed has a GTX 1650

[wintry marlin]

I bought one and gifted it to my brother

[grim parcel]

look at the linux stats next they’re funny

[next nymph]

i think im still on 8gb ram :/

[slender nexus]

I thought the 1050 would've still been on the list

[grim parcel]

yeah i was surprised 16xx cards are up there too

[slender nexus]

lol
Steam deck moment

[grim parcel]

and here i thought i was cool for having a 1660s :(

[summer steeple]

oh i see lmao, the link in the steam client is outdated LMAO

[grim parcel]

was a great deal though, i got it for free

traded my rx 580 for it

[wintry marlin]

I think amazon made 16xx popular

they had deals for it

[slender nexus]

I keep getting people trying to add me to advertise their uncool TF2 trading site

[summer steeple]

very interesting stats

[spare obsidian]

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2153598398 do you guys think this would be added? lol

[slender nexus]

who is running Microsoft XTA

[summer steeple]

various parts already have iirc

[wintry marlin]

10% commit 70% of crimes

[summer steeple]

here's the top GPUs btw

[next nymph]

amd = aww man destroyed

[summer steeple]

amd users stay losing

[grim parcel]

damn the 580 really is kinda dead now

[slender nexus]

Lol if you switch to windows only the most common DX9-only GPUs are the integrated GeForce 7025 and the ATI x550

[formal dew]

they should unfuck casual

[slender nexus]

Ancient

[summer steeple]

the highest of the newer amd cards is the 5700XT at .63%, lower than the 1080TI at .67%

[formal dew]

Ryzen 3600 moment

[slender nexus]

The ATI X550 has a max of 128mb vram

[summer steeple]

BRO FUCKING VIA

[formal dew]

Never heard of that

[slender nexus]

What is SiS

Who is using SiS Mirage 3

[summer steeple]

I wonder if this is because of steam deck

cause i swear the last time i looked at this it was ubuntu at the top

[slender nexus]

Oh God the SiS Mirage 3 is so old it doesn't even support Vista Aero

And it's DX8.1

[summer steeple]

wtf why is it under the DX9 cards then

AMD AMD custom gpu?

is that also deck?

[slender nexus]

Apparently it is compatible with DX9 on paper but it won't launch any apps using it

[summer steeple]

lmao

[slender nexus]

The sis m3 is from January 2006

[spare obsidian]

i wonder how easy would be to recreate tf2 from like 2007 with clean code lol

[summer steeple]

literally impossible

[spare obsidian]

technically possible lol

the sdk2013 provides you with entities that tf2 uses for their basic gamemodes lol

[slender nexus]

Valve doo doo farted all over the source code

[wintry marlin]

I recommend remaking tf2 in unity or unreal

it would be less buggy and all the movement tech could be replicated

but you would sacrifice ability to make custom maps

but if you want maximum hardcore difficulty, I would suggest making it with some piss poor engine

[summer steeple]

remake it off of the quake 3 engine

[slender nexus]

wait 50 years for source 2 to finally be completed

[wintry marlin]

valve needs to experience an internal french revolution

for any things to get done

[slender nexus]

Gabe Newell in the guillotine

[wintry marlin]

they haven't fed the dogs in weeks

[slender nexus]

The potted plants are going to have an uprising after not being watered in a decade

[wintry marlin]

cactus plants

[formal dew]

The federal trade commission needs to sue valve out of spite

Something something lootboxes

Or Hitler dress up games on steam

[wintry marlin]

valve needs to be sued for hiring based on their whiteness

what does 20 years of experience matter if it's 20 years of doing the same thing and never improving

[craggy ridge]

why not s2

[summer steeple]

no SDK

[craggy ridge]

oh

[wintry marlin]

source 2 never existed, it's all a hoax, the cultists fool themselves

it's all unreal under the hood

source is literally unreal

[slender nexus]

Source 2 isn't actually being worked on
valve employees have just been smacking their keyboard for the last decade pretending to be developing it

[summer steeple]

why else do you think steam audio supports UE

(it actually supports a ton)

[wintry marlin]

they actually made 40 tech demos (all in unity and all cancelled)

[formal dew]

Steam audio in the summer update confirmed

[summer steeple]

replace DSP with steam audio

[craggy ridge]

THE SOURCE 2, THE SOURCE 2 IS UNREAL

[summer steeple]

also replace source with source 2

also replace tf2 with tf3

[potent wolf]

remove audio from the game

[summer steeple]

also replace gabe newell with me

[wintry marlin]

this server needs to make an mmorpg out of spite

[potent wolf]

and replace you with me

[wintry marlin]

passionate gamer?

[spare obsidian]

"""passionate gamer"""

[summer steeple]

the tf2 community is like 80% passionate gamers

maybe a bit too passionate

[wintry marlin]

a sane person wouldn't touch hammer with a 10ft pole

or at least not a bored one

[spare obsidian]

why would you touch stock hammer anyways?

do you hate yourself so much?

[grim parcel]

yes

[wintry marlin]

people genuinely believe they would get paid to do it

[spare obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-serious-spiderman-meme-laugh-laughing-gif-7178438

[wintry marlin]

the one exception is all of the trade and meme maps, those people are genuinely insane

[crisp cedar]

if you make tf2 in anything thats not gonna have source movement then u wont get a good shooter

like idk

[grim parcel]

true

[crisp cedar]

maybe im too used to source games

but literally every other

fps

i play

is SHIT with movement

[grim parcel]

unless you're using something like mcoms' unreal plugin thing

[wintry marlin]

this is called titanfall 2 effect

[crisp cedar]

like unless the extent of your game's movement is just walking and jumping the movement will suck on non source

[wintry marlin]

you can't go back to being movement virgin after that

lifechanging experience

[crisp cedar]

no seriously

[grim parcel]

tf2 is the only game with movement equal to tf2 and other source games because it's a source game

[crisp cedar]

every single game just makes me nauseous with how it controls movement

[small siren]

*every single game

just makes me nauseous with how

it controls movement*

- rayne

[crisp cedar]

im not even kidding when i say that for a movement shooter the source engine is the best thing probably

[wintry marlin]

maybe because most games followed a 5.1 mil unity tutorial on how to make the player controller and never went beyond that point?

[crisp cedar]

because every non source shooter i tried always had unsatisfying movement that felt very weird

[grim parcel]

im pretty sure most games haven't

especially if you're talking about equal AAA games

[wintry marlin]

oh right

movement is made more nauseating for the realism check

cinematic experience

[crisp cedar]

literally the only games that have good movement are source engine games and minecraft

[wintry marlin]

you're forgetting ultrakill

[slender nexus]

Fortnite has good movement but it all hinges on the third person camera

[wintry marlin]

bladerunner

[grim parcel]

yeah and some people just don't care about insane air strafing (big mistake, csgo > valorant in that aspect)

[crisp cedar]

its not even air strafing

im not even good at tf2 and havent mastered movement mechanics whatsoever

the movement just doesnt make me feel sick

it feels right

[wintry marlin]

mirror's edge

[crisp cedar]

whereas in some games im like

[wintry marlin]

and don't forget racing games

[crisp cedar]

im stepping on the edge of a ledge

and i just slip down

[wintry marlin]

they're all about move

[crisp cedar]

I DONT FALL

I SLIP

I LTIERALLY SLIP DOWN

why

[grim parcel]

rayne i'm going to put you in a jump.tf server for multiple hours

[crisp cedar]

thats so stupid

[wintry marlin]

rayne discovers that games use capsule collision hulls

[grim parcel]

ok but what about with skyrim when i can jump up them

[crisp cedar]

like it just pushes me further from the edge to make me fall down its so stupid why do games even do this

[wintry marlin]

every game born after 2018 can't bhop

[crisp cedar]

i dont even know how to bhop

like

im not a gamer

the only game i tryhard is dota

[slender nexus]

would tf2 be able to play well on modern consoles if they could cross play with pc
Idk if it'd play well on Xbox because they don't have gyro controls

[wintry marlin]

Rayne

you should play katana zero

[crisp cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-take-the-time-off-work-christian-bale-patrick-bateman-american-psycho-workaholics-gif-18161302

this is me

but instead of work its dota 2

[wintry marlin]

it's inspired by yakuza

and it has good soundtrack

[crisp cedar]

im on a yakuza break

[grim parcel]

dota should stop being an rts dweeb game and let you air strafe in first person

you know what go full hots too

[crisp cedar]

i started yakuza 4 and got burnt out because i played 4 yakuza games in a row

[grim parcel]

add soldier so you can rocket jump

[crisp cedar]

ill play later

[wintry marlin]

it's also published by devolver digital

[grim parcel]

it would have a lot better movement mechanics then

[crisp cedar]

i mean

technically

for an rts dota actually counts the vertical axis

[small siren]

*for an rts

dota actually counts the

vertical axis*

- rayne

[crisp cedar]

like its actually a 3d game

[wintry marlin]

here's a relatable screenshot from the game for you rayne

[grim parcel]

i just opened egs for the first time in months to find this game, but are you thinking of ghostrunner?

[slender nexus]

Final Fantasy 15 feels so disgusting with it's movement
I tried to play it and put it down after 15 min

[grim parcel]

genuinely one of the best games i've ever played

[wintry marlin]

yep

I was gonna say lol same thing

[grim parcel]

then why can't i surf

[crisp cedar]

because the movement is different (you click where you want to go)

[potent wolf]

sounds bad

[crisp cedar]

either way the vertical axis rarely ever matters

but there are a few interactions which physically send an unit up in the sky

[wintry marlin]

rayne

most important game for you

you HAVE to play sekiro

[slender nexus]

gaming 2

[wintry marlin]

shadows die twice

[slender nexus]

game harder

[crisp cedar]

look

i know its

dark souls, japan

[wintry marlin]

it actually isn't

[crisp cedar]

i wanted to check dark souls out

but i havent had the time to do it yet

[wintry marlin]

it's actually yakuza dancing minigame

[crisp cedar]

look 90% of my gaming time is solely dedicated to dota

LOOK

if i get burnt out again this next game

i will play something else

[grim parcel]

there should be more

i'm going to email someone at valve about this rn

[wintry marlin]

if you call sekiro dark souls you genuinely have no idea and just assume it's going to be bad

[crisp cedar]

im queuing agian and if i lose again because of mistakes i didnt make i will CRY

[grim parcel]

subject line is going to "IMPT: ADD SOLDIER TO DOTA"

[slender nexus]

The cursed timeline where rayne gets sucked into hearts of iron 4

[crisp cedar]

bro

i would never

[wintry marlin]

sekiro is genuinely the best fromsoft game and it's not even soulslike

[crisp cedar]

play hoi4

do u guyw

guys

wanna play boardgame online

[grim parcel]

isn't hoi4 just single player dota?

[crisp cedar]

its grand strategy

not rts

its not real time

you pretend to be a world leader not a rat

[wintry marlin]

I also recommend neon white if you're into trans characters and machine girl music

I've been listening to the ost for longer than I knew about the game lol

[slender nexus]

I've been meaning to play neon white soley because of machine girl

[crisp cedar]

MY GAME FROZE

WHY DID IT FREEZE

HELLO

[slender nexus]

[crisp cedar]

I STILL HEAR SOUNDS

THEYRE PICKING WITHOUT ME

nevermind that was wierd

[slender nexus]

I almost won a match in Fortnite earlier today but the game decided to crash mid fight the last remaining player

[rare creek]

https://github.com/PazerOP/tf2_bot_detector/pull/335/files#

can someone reverse engineer what this means or whatever

apparently it's the only way to launch tf2 with custom otptions

[potent wolf]

it directly launches hl2.exe

[rare creek]

bruhhhhhhhhhhh

does that mean it doesn't get steam overlay

[potent wolf]

try it, you have to run in with -steam -game tf at the very least

[small siren]

*try it, you have to

run in with -steam -game tf

at the very least*

- replaycoding

[high current]

Very poetic🌹

[rare creek]

crashes when I got to the main menu, it also broke all my other launch options

[formal dew]

Dustbowl and 2fort, asteroid and hightower, cactus canyon, well

[small siren]

*Dustbowl and 2fort,

asteroid and hightower,

cactus canyon well*

- Borealis

[rare creek]

what

[formal dew]

A haiku

of tf2 maps

Using the bot for it's intended purpose

[rare creek]

wtf is cactus canyon

[formal dew]

[daring tiger]

oh no :(

you're too young

[rare creek]

nooo way really fr fr???

[formal dew]

Wat

It was a canceled beta map which would have been based around using the cart in unique ways

[rare creek]

o

[formal dew]

I recommend loading it up and exploring

A relic of a bygone era

[crisp cedar]

this game mega sucks

best game with the worst players of all time

going back to modding minecraft im so mad

[grim parcel]

it doesn't

[rare creek]

what it do then

[grim parcel]

oh wait

shit yeah it does

[potent wolf]

read the code you dumbass

[grim parcel]

look

[rare creek]

bruhhhhhhhhhh

valve ruined steam

[grim parcel]

i only saw the function that was messing with launch options

[potent wolf]

how?

[rare creek]

theyshould allow rce...

i thino

[formal dew]

Remote code execution?

[potent wolf]

yeah

[rare creek]

yeaj

[formal dew]

Why

[rare creek]

launch options

[potent wolf]

https://secret.club/2021/04/20/source-engine-rce-invite.html

[grim parcel]

opens link
trojan

[potent wolf]

https://guzzle.gay/hacks

best malware

[grim parcel]

dont click the chris button on the main site either

[rare creek]

so instead of fixing rcon or whatever they just removed the capability to launch the game with launch options from a link or osmething\

very stupid

[potent wolf]

not

It's a good idea to restrict launch options when steam links can be launched from a browser

[grim parcel]

shortcut worked for me

[rare creek]

instead of fixing the code in the game they just broke steam instead is what im sayuign

which I say iss stupid

they should just fix the games

[potent wolf]

No, thats not how it works

[rare creek]

I dont understand any of it

[potent wolf]

launch options in a steam link is a bad idea in general

[rare creek]

wtf why

:rage

[grim parcel]

go to the tf2 folder, make a desktop shortcut for hl2.exe, then go to the properties of the shortcut, and add -game tf -steam -secure to the end of the target line (don't use high i just used that to test it)

[rare creek]

I launched it with the terminal with hl2 -game tf -steam

does -secure fix the game crashes

[potent wolf]

try it?

[grim parcel]

no clue if it fixes game crashes

but it'll at least let you connect to games

it's the same thing tf2bd uses, just put it there

[rare creek]

why does steam keep cutting my launch options off

[grim parcel]

wdym?

[rare creek]

I added hl2.exe to my steam library so I can launch it through steam

and it keeps cutting the end of my launch options off

[grim parcel]

no don't do that

[rare creek]

like the last few letters

[rare creek]

but that's why im doing this lol

[grim parcel]

why would you do that

you can just make a desktop shortcut or something

[rare creek]

so I can have different launch options for tf2 on steam

[rare creek]

I have my desktop icons disabled

[grim parcel]

ok then idk

[rare creek]

-game t

bruh the steam ui cuts your launch options off if they are too long

💀

it deletes the letters after a certain point

I hate valve

[formal dew]

Puzzles

[grim parcel]

put something like "REPLACEME" into the launch options by using steam, open <path to your steam directory>/userdata/<your steam id>/config/localconfig.vdf in a text editor, search for "REPLACEME", and then you'll be on a line where you can just paste anything

[summer steeple]

i don't think forceallmips does anything to the end user

[rare creek]

it does but for me running at high texture settings I actually don't need it now that I think about it

[grim parcel]

scroll across with your arrow keys

[left sand]

yeah dont use forceallmips it just makes capped at 32x textures down to 1x

[rare creek]

nope it's actually cut off

I can type at the end and it just deletes it

[left sand]

there's a limit to launch option length for security

[rare creek]

yfghjyiguhbdfguiojpmiodnhiopfdbdfjbnmiojkjbndfvopfbsdf\\

\

[grim parcel]

how many launch options are you putting 😳

[formal dew]

Cat keyboard

[grim parcel]

like honestly, a lot of these don't even look useful

[summer steeple]

it doesn't look like softparticlesdefaulton even works

[grim parcel]

-forceallmips isn't, i don't think -softparticlesdefaulton is, and -high definitely isn't

[summer steeple]

theres softparticlesdefaultoff but it looks like defaulton isn't in the release build

[rare creek]

on was in the valve developer wiki that's where I found it

[grim parcel]

i wouldn't use random launch options from there

the good ones are already here
https://docs.mastercomfig.com/latest/customization/launch_options/

[rare creek]

does -nominidumps improve fps

[summer steeple]

no

[grim parcel]

you can also look here
https://docs.mastercomfig.com/latest/tf2/misconceptions/

just use the recommended ones, maybe with -no_texture_steam, -console, and/or -nostartupsound if you have decent hardware or those are your kind of thing

[rare creek]

what does -nominidumps do

[grim parcel]

it disables minidumps

[summer steeple]

it just causes the game to not create a minidump on crash

[rare creek]

what no_texture_steam

[rare creek]

idk what that is

[grim parcel]

it doesn't stream in textures slowly, it's instant

[grim parcel]

it doesn't write errors to a file when the game crashes

[summer steeple]

considering you're short on characters i'd say don't use it

[rare creek]

doesnt tf2 already not do that

[grim parcel]

yeah this is about all you need -game tf -steam -secure -novid -nojoy -nosteamcontroller -nohltv -particles 1 -precachefontchars -noquicktime

[rare creek]

doesnt -nohltv stop you from playing competitive

[grim parcel]

it does somewhere probably, or maybe it uploads them idk

[grim parcel]

no you just can't host it im pretty sure

[rare creek]

-no_texture_stream*

[grim parcel]

yeah

[cursive peak]

Disabling STV client side shouldn't prevent you from playing competitive.

[rare creek]

okay so

apparently if two non steam games in your library are named the same thing

steam really doesn't like that

idk what 2003 database format they're using that doesn't support the same name non steam game having two separate instances in your library but they should really consider updating it

[craggy ridge]

I assume steam sends a hitman to kill you

[rare creek]

it makes your settings the same for both of them even though in the properties panel it shows them separate settings

[high current]

how do you have 2 non-steam games with the same name in steam to cause an issue? Or just 2 games with the same name in general

[rare creek]

idk if there are two games on steam with the same name

[grim parcel]

i mean i don't think it's terrible

having two non steam games that are the exact same is a pretty big edge case

[high current]

Tbh if you’re looking to put all your games in one place, playnite does it better.

[grim parcel]

they're trying to have multiple shortcuts for tf2 with different launch options

[left sand]

arent you using the same exe

[rare creek]

yeah but once I named the games different thigs it seems to work fine

[high current]

Cant certain launch options be executed through shortcuts?

[rare creek]

you cant add shortcuts as steam games

[left sand]

but hl2.exe shortcut

[grim parcel]

yeah that's what i said before too

[high current]

You can,. go to steam > create desktop shortcut > then rightclick that > properties > then look at URL field

[grim parcel]

they want custom launch args so that wont work

[rare creek]

i dont want shortcut

I dont use my desktop for anything other than an animated wallpaper, I want it all in my steam library

[left sand]

ok

[high current]

Oh. I'd recommend looking into playnite. You can launch games with scripts on the side. And it'll automatically detect games across different platforms.

[rare creek]

whats playnite is it like fortnite

[high current]

https://playnite.link/

[rare creek]

so basically it's what I just use steam for

[high current]

Yes but better, and you dont need to manually add non-steam games to steam

[rare creek]

yeah but if I want to add the same game twice or 3 times I'd have to do that with playnite still probably right?

because that's essentially what im doing

[high current]

Probably. I've never looked into that

[grim parcel]

yeah i'm not sure how this would be applicable here, since tf2 isn't a non steam game

they're manually adding hl2.exe, so it will still need to be separate from the steam entry

[spare obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtW8F3ucVxA

[crisp cedar]

wrong thumbnail

[spare obsidian]

i want to massively ratio a tf2tuber

[left sand]

👀

[spare obsidian]

hi

[potent wolf]

Only sane tf2 update video i've seen so far

[rare creek]

can using a custom gameinfo.txt get you vac banned?

[crisp cedar]

lol no

i think it will just prevent you from joining any tf2 servers

other than maybe your own locally hosted ones

[rare creek]

mfw

[rare creek]

even funnier, servers don't exist

[cursive peak]

What are you even attempting to do with a custom gameinfo.txt?

[rare creek]

that is after I placed a new scripts/items/items_game.txt

[rare creek]

an easier way to have per shortcut mounted files

bc it doesn't seem like you can do a full folder full of different vpks with -insert_game_path, only 1 mod at a time

also wtf tf2 please stop setting my resolution to those used back in the stone ages unless I use -h and -w, what the fuck are you doing

[cursive peak]

Do you have dxlevel in your launch options?

[rare creek]

nop

it just hates me

[rare creek]

what does -secure do I can join casual fine without it

[left sand]

you cant change items_game.txt due to security

[rare creek]

I didn't change it I just copied it from the tf folder

[left sand]

and what about .sig

[rare creek]

yes

[grim parcel]

runs tf2 in secure mode no some things can't be loaded

[rare creek]

what is secure mode

[left sand]

-insecure

[rare creek]

I know what -secure does

also what does precachefontchars do, I can't find it in the source code or in valve documentation

[left sand]

but you were asking

[left sand]

yes you can

[rare creek]

I meant -insecure sorry im stupid

[left sand]

and it is in the list

[rare creek]

sorry I missed it I see it now

@grim parcel -secure isn't in the source code what do you mean by "no some things can't be loaded"

[grim parcel]

that's what it does in cs

hell if i know what it does in tf2, probably just makes sure vac is there or something

considering it's the opposite of -insecure

[potent wolf]

Nope, it doesn't do anything

no refs to it in the source code, nor in the binaries

[cursive peak]

Secure should be the default mode for TF2.

[grim parcel]

really? is that just a cs flag?

[potent wolf]

secure is the default mode

[grim parcel]

also uh

what was luci looking at then

[rare creek]

wdym

[grim parcel]

ah misread

thought you said it did something else in the source code

[rare creek]

okay im down to just `-game tf -steam -noborder"

eliminated -novids with a mod that replaces startupvids.txt

eliminated all the resolution crap by adding mat_setvideomode to valve.rc

-particles and -precachefontchars dont sound like they make too much of a difference, unless there's some particle memory leak I don't know about

same with -nojoy and -nosteaminput or whatever

actually nvm putting mat_setvideomode in valve.rc doesn't do anything

I put it into setup_hook.cfg and that works

[radiant merlin]

cheaters:

[rare creek]

what do I have to do to get hud to load from -insert_search_path, other files from the path are loading fine but hud isn't

tried adding an info.vdf and it still doesn't load

I can use the sixsense funny if nobody figures out a way

[spare obsidian]

ah yes good old times

where you could equip MVM robot weapons

[rare creek]

you can use a #base to point it to a 2nd .res file to sort of force it to load if you put the main file in the custom folder how you usually do it, so I guess you can kinda do it

[left sand]

HUDs load from a different search path, so you can't use -insert_search_path

so you have to use a scheme workaround like you mentioned

this is due to how they implemented info.vdf

[rare creek]

why does info.vdf even exist

[left sand]

to prevent people from crashing

[rare creek]

wdym

is info.vdf the coconut.jpeg of huds

[left sand]

if you have an old HUD, then the game will crash

[rare creek]

sad...

[formal dew]

it was introduced when they regularly changed how the main menu was formatted

old hud plus the jungle inferno main menu would be no bueno

For example

pretty smart move tbh

[left sand]

the code expects certain UI elements to be there

so if it can't find them, the game crashes

[spare obsidian]

tbh they could just add null safes tbh

is a better coding pratic-

wait this is source engine

there's not such thing has code pratices

[formal dew]

Sorse

[rare creek]

what are null safes

[high current]

Telling the code not to crash if something isn't there

[left sand]

null safes would be tedious for a lot of stuff in the HUD code

[high current]

Honestly there's actually not THAT many hud elements that cause a crash if you delete them.

But I'm also not super confident Valve knew how to develop HUD stuff. They basically never used pins and there's lots of places in the code where it is clearly copy+pasted with no consideration of the actual hud code.
For example, most files that contain an element with the "default" parameter included MULTIPLE instances of the "default" parameter, which defeats the purpose of having the parameter at all. Or how "autoresize" is in almost every element, even though there's something like 5 that actually accept it.

[summer steeple]

i think coms once mentioned that no vgui expert worked on tf2 after the game released

[high current]

I'd be surprised if there ever was

Default hud just is not written in a way that anyone would write a hud if they knew how. Maybe pin functionality was added later and no one picked up on it, but I think there is 10 pinned elements in the default code, max. Which shadows, buttons, and basically everything is agonizing to write if you dont use pins, and it is less updatable.

[spare obsidian]

tbf tf2 could use panorama since in my honestly vgui gets tedious wheb you have tho modify 200+ res files

[rare creek]

@left sand please don't fix crash bug in team comtress and have vlave add it

[small siren]

*@mcoms please don't

fix crash bug in team comtress

and have vlave add it*

- 👑 Lucy

[kind falcon]

Key prices: 81.55 ref/82.66 ref

this game is dead! officiale

[wild grove]

damn I can get so many craft hats now :)

[hoary geyser]

why did prices skyrocket anyway

are people that excited for the update

[high current]

I’d assume people getting excited for the update would result in key prices going up as demand for items went up.
Unless people started selling their keys in order to have ref and stuff, expecting there to be new weapons to craft.

Hold on, that was a silly statement. I just woke up.

[high current]

It could be a couple reasons. Key demand went up, ref demand went down, or backpack.tf reasons. Honestly I’d assume the latter.

The main critique of backpack from the higher end trading community (back when I was in it), is that it makes less experienced traders think prices are a hard-set thing. This probably also extended into keys, which tended to be more agreed upon price wise but would fluctuate frequently before backpack.tf. I’d bet there was just a major lag in key/ref inflation due to the price on backpack.tf, as it hovered around 30-40 keys for the past 4 or 5 years, and that’s wayyyyy slower than you’d expect with how much ref was generated in that time. So it probably got to a point where it the difference in supply and demand was so egregiously out of sync that people could no longer think the price was 30-40 ref.

[rare creek]

are their server specific settings or plugins that improve hit registration or input delay

[radiant merlin]

server side?

[jaunty willow]

i believe they are joking

[hoary geyser]

connect a wire from each client's computers to the server

[jaunty willow]

star topology

[potent wolf]

Yes, fiendhook solves all problems

[formal dew]

we need a global LAN

[next nymph]

some sort of interconnected network

like an inter-net

[formal dew]

Good idea

Patent it

I will take a generous 25% royalties

[hoary geyser]

that's a horrible name lol, connectwork is much better

It's a place to connect your work, it just makes sense

[high current]

Hot take. LAN hit reg was underwhelming for hitscan. 30 ping and 0 ping have the same hit reg for hit scan🤷‍♂️
Anyone who says otherwise is coping

At least as far as a human being could perceive

[jaunty willow]

intruducing you to the low ping desease

[next nymph]

have you tried out negative ping tho?

[high current]

Need that Spider-Man ping.

[formal dew]

dialup ping

[summer steeple]

https://twitter.com/aeonbollig/status/1626341872888328192

Aeon Bollig (@aeonbollig)

#TF2 Mappers and Contributors: ever retagged your items with Smissmas to help your visibility? Worried you'll have to retag everything again for Summer? Good news: it won't hurt your chances if left alone, but there's also going to be new tags shipped to the Workshop soon!

Twitter · Feb 16, 2023, 10:04 PM

[potent wolf]

👀

[summer steeple]

valve workshop ai does not discrimingate

[potent wolf]

lmao

[radiant merlin]

Soon™️

[potent wolf]

(valve time)

[jaunty willow]

™️

[hoary geyser]

oh valve changed the wording on the blog post

well, that's unfortunate, they probably should have worded it better the first time

[potent wolf]

yeah, people are dumb :|

[wintry marlin]

Update-sized update = major update
Logical but too hopeful

[cursive peak]

Aside from the fact that any update is update sized.

[wintry marlin]

Yep.

[grim parcel]

and even if you're taking into account the size of past updates, all of them recently haven't been "major"

[cursive peak]

It was just Valve humor.

It's like saying a person sized person.

[wintry marlin]

I like this humor.

[summer steeple]

valve should have a massive poster in the TF2 office that says "BE VERY CAREFUL USING THE WORD UPDATE, THE COMMUNITY IS STUPID"

[cursive peak]

Let's move back to the weekly patch days. Give us a trickle of single item patches.

[left sand]

didnt they try that and the community massively debated and whined about every single change

[cursive peak]

I was talking like 10 years ago. New patch every Thursday, usually around 5pm Valve time.

"Changed 1px of Scout's ass"

[slender nexus]

valve should know that the community shares one collective braincell at this point

[summer steeple]

should but you know that the only person who is in the tf2 office 100% of the time is a plant

[cursive peak]

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/April_27,_2012_Patch

Patches like that.

[next nymph]

i would love weekly updates if they made scout's ass 0.1% bigger each time

[cursive peak]

I was thinking more fixing the tiniest little pixel being 1 hex value off from the rest of it.

[summer steeple]

ah yes, the horselesss headless horseman: merasmus

[spare obsidian]

yep this tooltip is ancient iirc

this used to be true lol

when the refunt tokens existed

[summer steeple]

holy shit i'm looking at the vscript example for creating a nextbot

it is so roundabout

so like

function creates entity, adds class Bot to scope
Bot constructor adds think BotThink() to ent
BotThink() is a global function just returns an update function in side the Bot class

so in other words, create entity, add class, leave class, go back into class

am i insane or is this fucking stupid

[potent wolf]

Both?

[summer steeple]

also possible

but like

surely, if you add the entire class to the scope, it can just call the update function FROM THE CLASS

[potent wolf]

What's the interface like from the C++ side?

[summer steeple]

I don't know

its not going to be in the code we have

[potent wolf]

No, i mean the nextbot code.

[summer steeple]

it wouldn't matter, AddThinkToEnt is a global vscript function

you can just give a think function to any entity

but anyway i just tried to call a function inside the class

and it doesn't work

so like

???

[spare obsidian]

i wish the hardcodedd mvm tank gibs gets dehardcode

[summer steeple]

i wish half the hardcoded things weren't

[spare obsidian]

same

[summer steeple]

bRUH

SO I CAN CALL THE FUNCTION MANUALLY

BUT IF I ADD IT AS A THINK

IT DOESNT WORK

[next nymph]

he is horseless

[potent wolf]

next update will give him a horse

[crisp cedar]

https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steamcommunity/public/images/clans//5732734/ee1d1e71342406fd361ddbf16b47a61e268a36ca.gif

horses already exist in source

[summer steeple]

the sourceless seadless sourceman

[next nymph]

sourceless infertile sourceman?