Team Fortress 2 Megathread V2 - Badlands | mastercomfig | Page 3

wary flax Feb 1, 2023, 1:25 AM

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merry falcon Feb 1, 2023, 1:30 AM

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thats 28

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 1:32 AM

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wary flax

I don't think it is

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 1:34 AM

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any loss is not normal

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or at least not good

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 1:35 AM

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yeah, even with my shitty internet

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i'm not getting any loss :/

merry falcon Feb 1, 2023, 1:35 AM

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sullen venture i'm not getting any loss :/

then its not shitty

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 1:35 AM

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trust me

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its bad

wary flax Feb 1, 2023, 1:53 AM

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how do I fixi t

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 1:56 AM

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wary flax how do I fixi t

not sure if it helps, but i have Packet Rate and Packet Size set to the lowest option. I also have bandwidth at 192Kbps

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🤷‍♀️

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:26 AM

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I have bad news

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100ms apparently, not 1000

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it seems like its 1000ms if you have script_debug on

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 2:28 AM

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ouch

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what does your code look like rn?

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@sinful pawn please give me all of the codes

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:29 AM

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basically the same as it was, but i added support for red team calculations as well

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I might be able to hack around it by just running the function twice, once for each team trollfig

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but i'm also asking people more knowledgeable than be to see if there's ways to essentially profile my code

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cause idk what is taking so long

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 2:30 AM

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can i see the code?

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:30 AM

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let me clean it up a little bit

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 2:31 AM

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nyoooooo i must see the mess trollfig

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:32 AM

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📎 vraid.nut

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near the bottom calculateIncursionDistance and incursionDistanceHelperFunction

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also i left some mess on accident

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 2:37 AM

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This isn't exactly related, but can nav areas loop back in on themselves?

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:37 AM

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they only get appended to the array of areas to check if the distance calculated is < 0 or greater than the total distance, same as valve code

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altho thats kinda not great, thinking about it now

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there probably should be a check at the start to see if the area it's checking already has a distance

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that one if statement i added for that just fucking quartered the time it took

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from like 125ms to 35ms

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 2:43 AM

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nice

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:44 AM

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hm added a debug dump at the end and thats causing it to not calculate incursion distance for a lot of areas

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 2:45 AM

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"*** buffer overflow detected ***: terminated"

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rip

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:45 AM

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wtf i didn't get that

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 2:45 AM

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i ran script_debug

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it crashed

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:45 AM

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oh lol

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i'm just trying to figure out why this isn't working with this check

frigid needleBOT Feb 1, 2023, 2:46 AM

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*i'm just trying to

figure out why this isn't

working with this check*

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:47 AM

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I checked if the incursion distance for the area its about to calculate for was greater than 0

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and yet

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 2:48 AM

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:(

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SCRIPT PERF WARNING --- "main" ran long at 18.712570ms
SCRIPT PERF WARNING --- "main" ran long at 18.712570ms
SCRIPT PERF WARNING --- "main" ran long at 18.238592ms
SCRIPT PERF WARNING --- "main" ran long at 18.238592ms

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@sinful pawn is it supposed to be that fast?

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:52 AM

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uh what map are you testing on

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 2:53 AM

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coaltown

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ah

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:53 AM

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ye i'm testing bigrock

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cause its big

broken quest Feb 1, 2023, 2:54 AM

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sullen venture ``` SCRIPT PERF WARNING --- "main" ran long at 18.712570ms SCRIPT PERF WARNING -...

it's approaching you

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 2:54 AM

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script ran long a

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:55 AM

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I was stupid and deleted the function that drew the text on the navareas that showed the distances so i'm trying to rewrite it lol

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 2:55 AM

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Did you send the code for it here?

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:55 AM

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no i deleted it a while ago

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 2:55 AM

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ouch

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:56 AM

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it was relatively simple tho

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 2:56 AM

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this is why we use version control trollfig

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:56 AM

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yeah something is wrong even without that check

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 2:57 AM

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oh noes

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 2:57 AM

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its weird cause its like

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it seems almost random which ones work

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like

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these values are wrong too

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the ones that do work

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there's one with 5000 next to one with like 11000

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 3:21 AM

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i'm just not sure how i broke this it was fine before

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ok through the magic of an absurdly high undo count i think i got how the file was when i opened it today

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and now thats part of a git repo so i can diff it

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i don't get it none of the calculations have changed

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i wonder if restarting my game would fix it???

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no that didn't...

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what the fuck

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I reverted and it works

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so clearly there's some issue with my code

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but what???

broken quest Feb 1, 2023, 3:38 AM

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when I was making my hud and something was wrong with my code and I couldn't find out what it was I would take a shower and give it another look

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 3:43 AM

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the thing is i'm looking at the diff and there's literally 0 changes in the actual calculations

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just code placement

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are you fucking kidding me

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the issue was my debug output

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i was grabbing the wrong values

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i'm gonna like

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fucking cry

old tusk Feb 1, 2023, 3:47 AM

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sinful pawn fucking cry

Here’s a picture of a baby beaver to cheer you up.

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 3:48 AM

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thank you

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well, much lighter issue, for some reason it thinks that the blue spawn is in the wrong area

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alright, fixed that

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44ms on bigrock WITH debug drawing

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without is like 38.8ms-41.7ms

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very variable rather than consistent

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but still

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 4:29 AM

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the fact that the issue was with my debug code rather than the calculations i think says a lot about how much of a nightmare this code is

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the woes of having to essentially hack together code which already exists but i don't have access to

broken quest Feb 1, 2023, 4:38 AM

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sinful pawn fucking cry

I too hate computers

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they do exactly what you tell them to do

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instead of what you want them to do

lavish gust Feb 1, 2023, 8:17 AM

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huntsman and spy will always be less efficient at gaining casual XP vs. any other class

merry falcon Feb 1, 2023, 8:18 AM

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Medic will almost always be more efficient at gaining casual XP vs. a block of concrete.

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 9:34 AM

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heavy is the most xp gain class because you get assists and kills more easily

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and you get pocketed often if you're just decent at the game

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but to maximize xp gain don't forget to abuse glitches and buy a green flames unusual

wary flax Feb 1, 2023, 9:39 AM

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heavy is a good class

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I top score with him a lot

merry falcon Feb 1, 2023, 9:39 AM

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astral jungle but to maximize xp gain don't forget to abuse glitches and buy a green flames un...

thats a good choicce . reminds me of something

merry falcon Feb 1, 2023, 9:45 AM

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astral jungle but to maximize xp gain don't forget to abuse glitches and buy a green flames un...

Scorching Flames Officer's Ushanka in particular

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painted lime

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trollfig

old tusk Feb 1, 2023, 4:38 PM

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I feel like soldier is the easiest class to get kills/assists with in casual. Heavy needs a pocket med to not get insta killed, soldier is self sufficient but also makes great use of a pocket meds. Plus you can splash multiple people and steal assists that way

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 4:46 PM

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unfortunately
skill issue

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soldier is undoubtedly the best even if you're just average

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but the sheer mass of heavy can be too much for average videogamer in the year 2023

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when the heavy is below average

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but not a total lost child

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I can't recall how many times I got caught off guard by a clueless heavy.

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and then there are places like 2fort and dustbowl where heavy is just expected

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the fact that the best heavies are either completely clueless ones and demigods says a lot

proper umbra Feb 1, 2023, 4:51 PM

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i like soldier and pyro :)

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 4:51 PM

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positioning is so op it's unreal

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 4:51 PM

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soldier, pyro, and scout

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very fun :)

real pecan Feb 1, 2023, 5:05 PM

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i'm ok with anything but sniper and spy

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 5:06 PM

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spy is pretty fun too

old tusk Feb 1, 2023, 5:09 PM

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I have 1000 hours on scout but hate playing scout in pubs :(

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 5:09 PM

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scout is only really fun on defense for me

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and as long as they don't have an engie

old tusk Feb 1, 2023, 5:10 PM

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But if you’re a good scout Sharpness5Timmy2017 switches to mini sentries and then it’s over

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 5:11 PM

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"as long as they don't have an engie"

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 5:11 PM

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I feel like dustbowl is going to kill the fun of playing like 3 entire classes

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 5:11 PM

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dustbowl sucks

old tusk Feb 1, 2023, 5:11 PM

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Dustbowl kills the fun of everything EXCEPT 3 classes. Like demo, heavy, engi

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 5:12 PM

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Same can be said about degroot tbh

old tusk Feb 1, 2023, 5:13 PM

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No on is saying Degroot keep is good👀

proper umbra Feb 1, 2023, 5:14 PM

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i love dustbowl

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it sucks but its like fast food

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yknow

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 5:14 PM

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Demo, sniper and spy are effectively the only viable classes while everything else is a meme strat

proper umbra Feb 1, 2023, 5:14 PM

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2fort is ass though

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i really dont like 2fort

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or any ctf map in general

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 5:19 PM

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ctf is a bad gamemode

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 5:21 PM

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Maybe that's why they stopped adding it in modern games

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It's the whole like... idea, of taking something from another castle to yours

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While everyone else tries to do the same

proper umbra Feb 1, 2023, 5:28 PM

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robot destruction is just another version of ctf

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im telling u player destruction is where its at

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its the ultimate culmination of years of experience in terms of gamemode design

real pecan Feb 1, 2023, 5:29 PM

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Non gimmick pd maps when

proper umbra Feb 1, 2023, 5:29 PM

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im legit thinking about somehow converting 2fort into player destruction

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how would the player deliver beer

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though

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maybe like under the bridge

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but idk

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i think itd work as player destruction you just gotta figure out where to place all the beer

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 5:30 PM

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koth_viaduct but as PD

proper umbra Feb 1, 2023, 5:30 PM

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cuz u cant rly just remove the iconic bridge

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yeeees

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thats actually a great idea

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 5:32 PM

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proper umbra cuz u cant rly just remove the iconic bridge

Keep the bridge but remove the roof in the center

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Maybe have a whole gap in the center and have UFO go inbetween

real pecan Feb 1, 2023, 5:33 PM

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We need a big ass railyard pd map, and you deposit the items in a train that comes periodically

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 5:34 PM

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de_train trollfig

proper umbra Feb 1, 2023, 5:35 PM

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real pecan We need a big ass railyard pd map, and you deposit the items in a train that com...

great ite

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ide

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https://tenor.com/view/write-this-down-taking-notes-take-notes-gif-17975847

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NICE!

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 5:36 PM

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imo every koth map makes a great pd map

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 5:37 PM

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Landfall seems like a good idea ngl

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 5:37 PM

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oh yeah!

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 5:37 PM

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Like worth actually making

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 5:37 PM

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make the tree trunk a capture point

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 5:38 PM

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Make it more alien themed than just reskin and bombs

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 5:38 PM

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why retheme it?

old tusk Feb 1, 2023, 5:39 PM

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Add some gnomes dancing in a ritual circle in an obscure corner of the map to concern anyone that finds it

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 5:39 PM

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Landfall strikes me as a gravity falls reference

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Going hard into conspiracy and esoteric symbols would pair well with the confirmation of aliens

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Implying that landfall summoned them

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But they just want beer.

wary flax Feb 1, 2023, 7:33 PM

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petition to remove junction from the casual map pool

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 7:37 PM

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wary flax petition to remove junction from the casual map pool

petition to remove junction from the game

wary flax Feb 1, 2023, 7:37 PM

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community servers are allowed to run it, it's just their fault if they do

crude anchor Feb 1, 2023, 7:42 PM

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sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 7:42 PM

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crude anchor

no

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mossrock, standin, 5cp well, 5gorge, freight, and egypt should stay

wary flax Feb 1, 2023, 7:43 PM

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they forgor ctf_2fort ctf_turbine and cp_powerhouse

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 7:44 PM

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wary flax they forgor ctf_2fort ctf_turbine and cp_powerhouse

stalematehouse is fun though

crude anchor Feb 1, 2023, 7:44 PM

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lavish gust Feb 1, 2023, 7:44 PM

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junction is really good though

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one of my favorite maps

wary flax Feb 1, 2023, 7:45 PM

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o

crude anchor Feb 1, 2023, 7:46 PM

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crude anchor

all these maps could be good but the map makers won't make the changes so, yeah delete too

wary flax Feb 1, 2023, 7:46 PM

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remove all of these maps literally the worst maps in the game

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 7:55 PM

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trollfig

wary flax Feb 1, 2023, 7:56 PM

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warpainted australiums when

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we should be able to put warpaint on australiums

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what you think of my scout loudout

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:10 PM

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wary flax what you think of my scout loudout

His mouth

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it good loadout btw

wary flax Feb 1, 2023, 8:15 PM

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sullen venture His mouth

glizzy gobbler

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all items I got for free

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:16 PM

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wary flax all items I got for free

lol, all my loadouts are from random drops

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I've spent a total of ~$5 on tf2

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:17 PM

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lavish gust junction is really good though

yoooo junction enjoyer

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too bad that junction likes to be filled with cheaters n bots

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:17 PM

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i don't understand how one can like junction

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:17 PM

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it has a certian appeal to it

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its hard to describe

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 8:18 PM

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wary flax we should be able to put warpaint on australiums

but you can't even put it on normal weapons

broken quest Feb 1, 2023, 8:18 PM

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lavish gust junction is really good though

I also love getting perma fucked by spam

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Omg we should be friends or smth

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:18 PM

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just pull out the SC Troll

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spam whats that?

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SC and scroch

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 8:18 PM

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I love how warpaints are presented as cans of spray paint and wallpaper but it somehow can manifest into any gun you want

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implying that they're made out of it...

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:19 PM

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wdym?

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 8:19 PM

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warpaints generate weapons
you don't apply them to existing weapons

broken quest Feb 1, 2023, 8:19 PM

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crude anchor

What did Lazarus do to you

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:20 PM

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astral jungle warpaints generate weapons you don't apply them to existing weapons

yeah, i assumed that the mannco just gives you it for free 🤷‍♀️

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at least in game lore

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 8:20 PM

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the moment when miss pauling got them in a briefcase?

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:21 PM

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ye

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they send it to you

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 8:22 PM

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what does that say about random drops that go "you found an item"

broken quest Feb 1, 2023, 8:22 PM

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Oh god I just remembered

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 8:22 PM

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where are they coming from?

broken quest Feb 1, 2023, 8:22 PM

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there are 4 maps in the game

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I haven't played it yet

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the smissimas ones

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 8:22 PM

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I skipped all of the smissmas maps

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from last year and this year as well

broken quest Feb 1, 2023, 8:22 PM

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this year's was awful

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:22 PM

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astral jungle from last year and this year as well

some of them were okay

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from this year

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but not any really great maps

broken quest Feb 1, 2023, 8:23 PM

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they should have added vigil

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pl needs good maps

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:23 PM

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YES

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add vigil

broken quest Feb 1, 2023, 8:23 PM

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what about overgrown

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:23 PM

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at least they didnt reskins

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:24 PM

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they did though

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:24 PM

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correction -not too much

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:24 PM

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i think they should add like at least have the comp maps lol

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:25 PM

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they won’t because most of them look like they were made in 2008

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graphically

crude anchor Feb 1, 2023, 8:25 PM

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broken quest What did Lazarus do to you

too much tunnels

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:25 PM

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sinful pawn they won’t because most of them look like they were made in 2008

koth_bagel is nice though :(

broken quest Feb 1, 2023, 8:25 PM

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bagel is fun

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:25 PM

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keyword most

crude anchor Feb 1, 2023, 8:25 PM

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koth_bagel must be added

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:25 PM

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bagel should be added

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we already got cauldron

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:26 PM

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they should replace every map with bagel

broken quest Feb 1, 2023, 8:26 PM

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what's your fav map?

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:26 PM

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sinful pawn bagel should be added

yees

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:26 PM

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broken quest what's your fav map?

koth_donut trollfig

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:27 PM

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tho suprisingly i didnt saw that many christmas maps tbh

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:27 PM

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there probably is a koth donut tbh

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:27 PM

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like popular ones

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excluding reskins

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:27 PM

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yeah cause mappers are sick of making holiday maps

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:27 PM

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residentsleeper

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:27 PM

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thank god

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:27 PM

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i mean with vscript they can get alot more fancy now

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and expand on the possibilites

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:28 PM

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oh yeah speaking of vscript

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:28 PM

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it’s more just like

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“let me make a map that isn’t christmas or halloween themed please god please”

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:28 PM

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OMEGALUL

proper umbra Feb 1, 2023, 8:28 PM

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broken quest what's your fav map?

let me boot up tf2 i forgot

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:29 PM

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did you manage to make the incursion thing faster?

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:29 PM

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because believe it or not, mappers like to get their maps in the game

frigid needleBOT Feb 1, 2023, 8:29 PM

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*because believe it

or not, mappers like to get

their maps in the game*

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:29 PM

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yeah

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:29 PM

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sinful pawn because believe it or not, mappers like to get their maps in the game

no way

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:29 PM

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the if statement wasn’t giving invalid results my debug shit was

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:29 PM

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jermaExplode

crude anchor Feb 1, 2023, 8:29 PM

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we need an april (for the north hemi) event that adds only maps and taunts

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:29 PM

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sinful pawn the if statement wasn’t giving invalid results my debug shit was

ouch

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:29 PM

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so it’s like consistent 44ms for both on bigrock

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with debug

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and anywhere from 31-42 without

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:30 PM

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thats pretty good

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:30 PM

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idk why it’s inconsistent but it is

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ye

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:30 PM

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tf2 sphaghetti perhaps?

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:30 PM

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winged cloud tf2 sphaghetti perhaps?

No, its probably just squirrel being slow to do all the calculations

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:31 PM

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doubt it, i’m barely touching tf2 stuff outside of grabbing some variables near the start

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:31 PM

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A

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:31 PM

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actually that’s not true

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 8:31 PM

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crude anchor we need an april (for the north hemi) event that adds only maps and taunts

april fools?

winged cloud Feb 1, 2023, 8:31 PM

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okii nvm i thought you touched smt in tf2

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:31 PM

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you are querying the navmesh for almost every call...

crude anchor Feb 1, 2023, 8:31 PM

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fuck

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:31 PM

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im constantly grabbing

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yeah

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lol

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:31 PM

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but i doubt theres a perf issue from that

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:31 PM

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i forgor 💀

crude anchor Feb 1, 2023, 8:31 PM

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i mean spring @astral jungle

proper umbra Feb 1, 2023, 8:32 PM

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proper umbra let me boot up tf2 i forgot

sawmill

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i love sawmill

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best map

astral jungle Feb 1, 2023, 8:32 PM

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march seems like a good time then

proper umbra Feb 1, 2023, 8:32 PM

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if payload then i love banana bay

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:32 PM

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sinful pawn i forgor 💀

the nice thing is that your code is pretty easy to make batchable

wary flax Feb 1, 2023, 8:32 PM

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me smelting 54 items to get 1 cosmetic

frigid needleBOT Feb 1, 2023, 8:32 PM

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*the nice thing is that

your code is pretty easy

to make batchable*

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:32 PM

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sullen venture the nice thing is that your code is pretty easy to make batchable

wdym

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:32 PM

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so even if its too slow, you could theoretically smooth it out over multiple frames

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:32 PM

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oh yeah

wary flax Feb 1, 2023, 8:34 PM

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wary flax me smelting 54 items to get 1 cosmetic

and the worst part is that it's technically profitable

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:35 PM

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wary flax and the worst part is that it's technically profitable

oh i sure do love making one or two cents off this

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:35 PM

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i used to do that but i realized i was never using the items and it would be a better use of time to just save up scrap for a key

wary flax Feb 1, 2023, 8:35 PM

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I just do it to get free cosmetics

wary flax Feb 1, 2023, 8:35 PM

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sinful pawn i used to do that but i realized i was never using the items and it would be a b...

o

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but I do

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:36 PM

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and that’s fine but i just never liked the cosmetics i got

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:36 PM

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i liek my scout loadout :(

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@wary flax what do you think of it

wary flax Feb 1, 2023, 8:37 PM

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it's alright

sinful pawn Feb 1, 2023, 8:45 PM

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scattergun isn’t strange or has a name tag with a slur -20 points
no paints, especially not lime green -500 points
trollfig

sullen venture Feb 1, 2023, 8:46 PM

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sinful pawn scattergun isn’t strange or has a name tag with a slur -20 points no paints, esp...

😭

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I'll go do that right away trollfig

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 12:59 AM

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sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 1:02 AM

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wary flax

Probably true

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 2:25 AM

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I just got 2 10+ killstreaks as demoknight in one match

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 2:59 AM

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fun new thing

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part of my script is too fast lmao

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I calculate incursion distance and disable the spawn rooms before the game does it so it can't calculate its own

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 3:01 AM

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sinful pawn part of my script is too fast lmao

lmao

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 3:03 AM

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my favorite trimp in the entire game

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wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 3:40 AM

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the default "retro" hitsounds are goated

astral jungle Feb 2, 2023, 4:22 AM

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why I feel like understanding graphic design is important

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for youtubers.

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I inverted the colors.

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it was worth trying.

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the underlying problem is the color balance, for sure.

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I messed with color curves for a bit, you be the judge.

real pecan Feb 2, 2023, 4:37 AM

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Grey Mann Scaled Soda Popper

merry falcon Feb 2, 2023, 4:46 AM

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astral jungle why I feel like understanding graphic design is important

you can see it without editing anything though

astral jungle Feb 2, 2023, 4:47 AM

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that's not the problem.

merry falcon Feb 2, 2023, 4:48 AM

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the proble m is

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this tumbinail suc k!!

astral jungle Feb 2, 2023, 4:56 AM

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alright, here's my best attempt while trying to keep it almost exactly how it was.

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I don't like the hue, still.

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it's not as "obnoxious" though I suppose that's exactly the point with such high contrast color.

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I just tried to level it.

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auto-level would turn the gun blue instead of lowering the brightness.

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so for an obnoxious background it would double with an equally obnoxious high contrast blue for the dark element, how nice.

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I admit it looks washed out.

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I would try to be more selective about which areas needed this change, instead I used magic wand with high tolerance.

ionic inlet Feb 2, 2023, 5:09 AM

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TF2.

merry falcon Feb 2, 2023, 5:11 AM

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tf2

real pecan Feb 2, 2023, 5:14 AM

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Team Fortress 2

lavish gust Feb 2, 2023, 5:31 AM

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merry falcon Feb 2, 2023, 5:31 AM

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i agree wit hthis stamtente

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 6:04 AM

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based

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based omni

winged cloud Feb 2, 2023, 6:10 AM

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it's so sad that omni closed huds tf can we get 50 huds here
ladies n gentlemen 😔 ✊

merry falcon Feb 2, 2023, 6:13 AM

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winged cloud it's so sad that omni closed huds tf can we get 50 huds here ladies n gentlemen ...

hud

broken quest Feb 2, 2023, 6:32 AM

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astral jungle I messed with color curves for a bit, you be the judge.

This looks so much worse 😭

astral jungle Feb 2, 2023, 6:32 AM

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I could tell

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I haven't used paint.net in a while tbh

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I am also on my phone rn and I prefer my last one.

broken quest Feb 2, 2023, 6:35 AM

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I think the soda popper's position and angle kinda fucks with the rest of the thumbnail

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Also why the fuck he even choose yellow

merry falcon Feb 2, 2023, 6:36 AM

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banana

broken quest Feb 2, 2023, 6:36 AM

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That does not make sense

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The gun is purple

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If he does the same for every gun review the thumbnails just look boring to look at

turbid vigil Feb 2, 2023, 7:02 AM

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lavish gust

🫡

merry falcon Feb 2, 2023, 7:02 AM

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turbid vigil 🫡

samurai cat

turbid vigil Feb 2, 2023, 7:03 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/ninja-raccoon-staff-dark-gif-14172645

Tenor

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@merry falcon wanna play tf2?, the cat

merry falcon Feb 2, 2023, 7:04 AM

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turbid vigil <@235307846676381696> wanna play tf2?, the cat

true

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https://tenor.com/view/cat-confused-costume-cosplay-what-gif-8082475

Tenor

turbid vigil Feb 2, 2023, 7:06 AM

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merry falcon true

i was asking if you want to play tf2

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the cat

merry falcon Feb 2, 2023, 7:06 AM

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turbid vigil i was asking if you want to play tf2

sure

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but im playing tf2

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samurai at

turbid vigil Feb 2, 2023, 7:06 AM

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wait shit

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im an idiot

merry falcon Feb 2, 2023, 7:07 AM

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im having the time of my life in the menu .

turbid vigil Feb 2, 2023, 7:07 AM

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RARE HIGH MOMENTS!

merry falcon Feb 2, 2023, 7:07 AM

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turbid vigil RARE HIGH MOMENTS!

free weed

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fried weed

spark wadi Feb 2, 2023, 7:22 AM

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anyways, linux runs tf2 like a champ
idk if it's just me turning down comfig settings, but I can somehow hit 200 fps in casual

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 9:46 AM

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https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4763

GitHub

[Feedback] Create a separate repository specifically for TF2 to tra...

I know this repository is for reporting bugs or feature requests for Source 1 games in which Team Fortress 2 falls into that category, but I feel it has become more of a Team Fortress 2 repository ...

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https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-we-are-family-angry-gif-5247804

Tenor

molten spade Feb 2, 2023, 2:52 PM

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tf2 is just so buggy it needs its own section

winged cloud Feb 2, 2023, 3:10 PM

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well see, there is a difference between the community doing debugging and finding every type of bug n else

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and then there is games, where nobody even bothers to do that

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but complain about the issues

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if you would open up any game and would spent months to find bugs in code and game play

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it will be the same

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the imagination of making a game or software bug free is a myth

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but you certainly can fix the bugs to such a extent that they won't be noticed or seen by generic users

real pecan Feb 2, 2023, 3:21 PM

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TF2 [Feature Request] Upgrade the game to source 2

crude anchor Feb 2, 2023, 3:54 PM

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https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4752

GitHub

Sell Half-Life 2: Deathmatch bundled with the original Half-Life 2 ...

And then it turns out like this: Half-Life multiplayer built in Half-Life: Source is being sold with Half-Life Deathmatch: Source Half-Life 2: Deathmatch sold separately or with Half-Life 2: Episod...

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yeah valve i have better marketing knowledge than you.

winged cloud Feb 2, 2023, 4:11 PM

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lmao

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 4:15 PM

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The source 1 games repo is hilarious

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@crude anchor https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4760 this isn't a bug I'm pretty sure

GitHub

[TF2] Crosshair becomes a bit smaller when using the Ambassador · I...

Title. Normal: Ambassador:

raven wharf Feb 2, 2023, 4:24 PM

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https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4530 this shit funny

GitHub

[TF2] Feature request to help make Sniper aimbots not as prevalent ...

Lock the Sniper class behind a paywall and make players have to pay $50 to unlock the class. And that's not a one-time charge either. $50/month to use the Sniper class. Bot problem solved, ...

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lmfao

winged cloud Feb 2, 2023, 4:31 PM

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their idea is as good as their weapon balance idea

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spoilers: their ideas are very bad

raven wharf Feb 2, 2023, 4:32 PM

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oh god what was their weapon balance idea

winged cloud Feb 2, 2023, 4:32 PM

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unrelated to the repo*

raven wharf Feb 2, 2023, 4:32 PM

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ah

winged cloud Feb 2, 2023, 4:33 PM

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because 70% of the time the "balance" ideas or the "new" weapon ideas, are made by ppl whom graps of balance is very poor

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and most of the time, these other players dont do anything else then to play on community servers 24/7

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its a bit exageratted, but you probably get my point

raven wharf Feb 2, 2023, 4:36 PM

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understandable

crude anchor Feb 2, 2023, 4:39 PM

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raven wharf https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4530 this shit funny

oh look, it's 404UNF

crude anchor Feb 2, 2023, 4:42 PM

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wary flax <@271792252211298314> https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/476...

how

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it doesn't make sense

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if the revolver and the ambassador are both perfectly accurate in the first shot, why should the ambassador crosshair be smaller?

raven wharf Feb 2, 2023, 4:55 PM

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https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4612 this is also another balance suggestion that is pretty mid balance wise but also funny to watch this dude mald when people disagree

GitHub

[TF2] The Phlogistinator balance suggestion · Issue #4612 · ValveSo...

Currently way too strong with medic and too weak without him. Getting spawn camped with this is very annoying, especially on maps with one spawn room with one spawn door. The biggest issue I see is...

winged cloud Feb 2, 2023, 4:56 PM

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me am right

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me am absolute

raven wharf Feb 2, 2023, 4:57 PM

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winged cloud me am right

fr

crude anchor Feb 2, 2023, 4:57 PM

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[Feedback] Create a new repository for TF2 balance ideas that will be ignored by the TF2 team trollfig

winged cloud Feb 2, 2023, 4:57 PM

#

ong

raven wharf Feb 2, 2023, 4:57 PM

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fr

broken quest Feb 2, 2023, 6:26 PM

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mf wrote a sequel to the bible

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and this was the response lmao

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 6:27 PM

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broken quest and this was the response lmao

kisak doing a little trolling

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https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4479 comfig_heart

GitHub

[TF2] Vaccinator charge noises are sometimes extra loud · Issue #44...

While this is mentioned in the comments of #4016, It didn't have an issue post of it's own, so I'm separating it out into one so i can add more info without it getting burie...

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 6:29 PM

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still not fixed 😔

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 6:29 PM

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yep

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https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/4567

GitHub

[TF2] non-embedded navmeshes load the wrong path on workshop maps ·...

The update for October 12, 2022 "Added support for custom sounds, soundscripts, soundscapes, navmeshes and particles in workshop maps". However, the way navmesh loading was implem...

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😭

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valve doesn't do regression testing: #1237489472

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 7:14 PM

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I love being baited by medics

old tusk Feb 2, 2023, 7:39 PM

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I played flank scout and 6s and every time it was called for me to be in an Uber (pocket scout was dead or double scout Uber), I got dropped.
Not even like “whoops I dropped”. Like make sure beam is on me, and over the course of 3-4 seconds I say “I’m going in, you’re with me. Use. Use please? Please. PLEASE.”

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 8:28 PM

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holy shit i actually got an email back from eric

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(this is regarding URLLabel)

proper umbra Feb 2, 2023, 8:29 PM

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THE TF2 TEAAM

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THE TF2 TEAM IS REAAAAAL

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 8:29 PM

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I was 1000% expecting to just see this fixed in the next update and not receive any reply

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 8:29 PM

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sinful pawn holy shit i actually got an email back from eric

niceeee

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URLLabel fix incoming!

old tusk Feb 2, 2023, 8:44 PM

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Tell them to give us uber charge shadows that work with vaccinators too👀
Just kidding, that might be asking too much. It’s cool they actually replied and that it’s on their radar.

real pecan Feb 2, 2023, 9:13 PM

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The Natascha's empty fire cuts off after about 4 seconds

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Unplayable

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 9:21 PM

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crude anchor how

You can look at the source code, tf2 scales the crosshair by a less than 1 fractional value with the crosshair

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 9:53 PM

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wait @lavish gust are we allowed to post tf2 source code or nah?

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ill delete that in case im not

crude anchor Feb 2, 2023, 10:00 PM

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wary flax You can look at the source code, tf2 scales the crosshair by a less than 1 fract...

?

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what does that mean?

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 10:00 PM

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the smaller crosshair is intentional

crude anchor Feb 2, 2023, 10:01 PM

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yeah it may be intentional but that doesn't mean is correct

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 10:01 PM

#

??

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it isn't a bug

lavish gust Feb 2, 2023, 10:01 PM

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sinful pawn holy shit i actually got an email back from eric

i got some emails from eric too :D

crude anchor Feb 2, 2023, 10:01 PM

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it should have the same size

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:02 PM

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wary flax wait <@115180582845153282> are we allowed to post tf2 source code or nah?

I dunno what TC2 is if we aren't trollfig

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 10:02 PM

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crude anchor it should have the same size

but it's intentional

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it's not a bug

lavish gust Feb 2, 2023, 10:02 PM

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i'd rather summarizing snippets be posted

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 10:03 PM

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im not smart enough to understand what they mean 😭

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:03 PM

#

wary flax im not smart enough to understand what they mean 😭

which file, and which line?

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 10:04 PM

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tf_weapon_revolver.cpp line 204 to 220 I think is where the crosshair scale is

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:04 PM

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ah, CTFRevolver::GetWeaponCrosshairScale

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 10:06 PM

#

and

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remapvalclamped is in mathlib.h

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:06 PM

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flScale = RemapValClamped( flTimeSinceCheck, 1.0f, 0.5f, 0.75f, 2.5f );

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This is the line responsible for it

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 10:07 PM

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but im still too stupid to understand it even though it's probably just really simple math

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:08 PM

#

wary flax but im still too stupid to understand it even though it's probably just really s...

would help if they actually named the args lol

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But yes, it looks like it's intentional

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 10:09 PM

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uhhhh, seems like they are essentially taking a value and multiplying it by time, and clamping that

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:09 PM

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It's not just a clamp though

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 10:09 PM

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i'm trying to figure out the return rn

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:10 PM

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https://processing.org/reference/map_.html

Processing

map() / Reference

Re-maps a number from one range to another. In the first example above, the number 25 is converted from a value in the range of 0 to 100 into a value that ranges from the left edge of the…

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i think this is the same

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It remaps a value from one range to another

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 10:10 PM

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yeah it seems like it

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:11 PM

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wary flax but im still too stupid to understand it even though it's probably just really s...

btw lucy you really aren't stupid...

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 10:11 PM

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I faileed high school

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 10:11 PM

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bruh i nearly did too

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I literally only made it because I had a sibling to push me through the finish line

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I did like 2.5 terms of work in a few months it was fucking BAD

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 10:12 PM

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in sophemore year

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 10:12 PM

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like this isn't a competition but high school isn't everything

frigid needleBOT Feb 2, 2023, 10:12 PM

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*like this isn't a

competition but high school

isn't everything*

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 10:13 PM

#

my high school years were some of the most stressful awful years of my life

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like i was failing classes starting freshman year

#

just cause you don't understand one function of code doesn't mean you're stupid

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 10:14 PM

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oka

lavish gust Feb 2, 2023, 10:15 PM

#

wary flax but im still too stupid to understand it even though it's probably just really s...

its just a value in between a range, maps that to 0 to 1, and then maps it to another range

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:15 PM

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Yeah, we figured that out

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 10:17 PM

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I think then the initial scale is 0.75 and theen it grows to 2.5 when you shoot right?

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:22 PM

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TIL the item schema has a list of all the maps in the game

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 10:23 PM

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its for stamps i think

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:23 PM

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sinful pawn its for stamps i think

It has more than the stamp info in it

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        "tags"
        {
            "map_has_deep_water"        "1"
        }

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 10:24 PM

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dyno???

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:24 PM

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lol

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~~oh no you're right~~ nvm fiend is wrong trollfig

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It uses that tag for stranges

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 10:25 PM

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ah

#

makes sense

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:25 PM

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sinful pawn makes sense

It also has another list, sorted by gamemode

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which i think is what the casual map selection menu uses

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ouch, apparently casual_criteria is a protobuf

frigid needleBOT Feb 2, 2023, 10:29 PM

#

*ouch, apparently

casual_criteria

is a protobuf*

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:31 PM

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wonder why they opted for using text format though 🤷‍♀️

#

But yeah, its a serialized CMsgCasualMatchmakingSearchCriteria

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 10:42 PM

#

what does that mean

#

is that the reason why the game crashes a lot until you delete it

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idk what a protobuf is im not a programer

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:43 PM

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wary flax idk what a protobuf is im not a programer

It's a way to store data

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 10:43 PM

#

o so it's a file

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:43 PM

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Yeah

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You define a protobuf "schema" for your data, and then you can pack it into binary (or text in this case)

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For example, the casual_criteria file uses this:

message CMsgCasualMatchmakingSearchCriteria
{
    repeated fixed32 selected_maps_bits = 3; // Bitfield of selected maps from the "master_maps_list" in _maps.txt
}

wary flax Feb 2, 2023, 10:44 PM

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why does it cause the game to crash so much

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:44 PM

#

🤷‍♀️

real pecan Feb 2, 2023, 10:45 PM

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Proto 💪

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:46 PM

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OMG they depracated the google developers site for protobuf

#

https://protobuf.dev/ is the new one

Protocol Buffers Documentation

Protocol Buffers

Protocol Buffers are a language-neutral, platform-neutral extensible mechanism for serializing structured data.

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so much nicer imo

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 10:47 PM

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what if you wanted to get a player's entity handle

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but god said

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i hate

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:47 PM

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owned trollfig

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 10:47 PM

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why are you an instance

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 10:48 PM

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don't listen to the bot @wary flax

#

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

#

trollfig

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 11:10 PM

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turns out the issue was not the player but the navarea

#

I needed the navarea's id, not the navarea

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and i forgor to do that

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 11:15 PM

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sinful pawn and i forgor to do that

love bugs like that 😭

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 11:15 PM

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i blame the fact that the code for it looks like this lmao

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local currPlayerIncursionDist = navAreaIncursionDistance[NavMesh.GetNavArea(currPlayer.GetOrigin(), 2000).GetID()][teamPrefix+"Incursion"];

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 11:16 PM

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sinful pawn i blame the fact that the code for it looks like this lmao

please for the love of god do something about it

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 11:16 PM

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I added spaces between the brackets and parentheses

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otherwise there's not much i can do outside of split it into like different lines of code

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which i don't want to do for performance

ionic inlet Feb 2, 2023, 11:29 PM

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real pecan The Natascha's empty fire cuts off after about 4 seconds

Shhh, Natascha doesn't exist.

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 11:29 PM

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sullen venture please for the love of god do something about it

also, you should see my debug draw text code

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 11:29 PM

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sinful pawn also, you should see my debug draw text code

oh no

#

show me

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 11:29 PM

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DebugDrawText(navAreas["area"+i].GetCenter(), "Blue:"+navAreaIncursionDistance[navAreas["area"+i].GetID()].BlueIncursion+" Red:"+navAreaIncursionDistance[navAreas["area"+i].GetID()].RedIncursion, false, 10000)

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 11:29 PM

#

...

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at least put it on new lines

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 11:29 PM

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I'M GOING TO SPLIT THIS ONE INTO MULTIPLE LINES

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 11:29 PM

#

😭

sinful pawn Feb 2, 2023, 11:30 PM

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CAUSE THIS ONE IS BAD

#

much better

sullen venture Feb 2, 2023, 11:31 PM

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sinful pawn much better

much nicer

sinful pawn Feb 3, 2023, 12:08 AM

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feeling proud of myself

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got it able to select the closest respawn closet (hopefully)

frigid needleBOT Feb 3, 2023, 12:08 AM

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*got it able to

select the closest respawn

closet (hopefully)*

sinful pawn Feb 3, 2023, 12:09 AM

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i don't have multiple rn so i can't test if it actually picks the closest

#

BUT

#

it does pick a closet

sullen venture Feb 3, 2023, 12:14 AM

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sinful pawn it does pick *a* closet

nice work 😄

sinful pawn Feb 3, 2023, 12:17 AM

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just remembered that limiting the amount of players who can join would be a good thing and set up a warning to do so

wary flax Feb 3, 2023, 1:35 AM

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crude anchor Feb 3, 2023, 2:26 AM

#

wary flax Feb 3, 2023, 2:27 AM

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no I suck ass at sniper that was on demoknight

broken quest Feb 3, 2023, 3:37 AM

#

wary flax

those were 20 lucky people

wary flax Feb 3, 2023, 4:22 AM

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why does tf2 crash when you try to run a game at a resolution lower than 480p

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you can run it at 480x480 just fine but 479x480 is a no-no?

crude anchor Feb 3, 2023, 4:24 AM

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there's this guy

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that always say his name

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tango mike mike

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is funny af

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in a skial surf server

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omg

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10 min and some guy already said the n word

raven wharf Feb 3, 2023, 5:24 AM

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crude anchor 10 min and some guy already said the n word

average tf2 session

raven wharf Feb 3, 2023, 7:51 AM

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entered like 6 scrap.tf raffles that im most likely not gonna win

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1066242679429677066.webp?size=48&quality=lossless

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jesus

#

im new to the site so i dont have much experience with it

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 8:04 AM

#

raven wharf jesus

https://tenor.com/view/snow-happy-easter-gif-25371743

Tenor

astral jungle Feb 3, 2023, 9:39 AM

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this eyesore appeared on my recommendations again but at least now I'm able to give a comparison to one that doesn't seem bad at all

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 9:40 AM

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underground jungle playlist

astral jungle Feb 3, 2023, 9:41 AM

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also you could tell all of these are practically hand-picked for me

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tailored to exact match

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but I actually had to scroll down to see them

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these are at the top

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I'm waiting for when I get AstralSpiff video next to SpiffingBrit

raven wharf Feb 3, 2023, 11:18 AM

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wait fuck spiff upload?

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completely missed that

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 3:04 PM

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I wish someone would update VIDE

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the particle editor that it has is extremely useful

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and easy to use

molten spade Feb 3, 2023, 3:04 PM

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vide++ :torlr;

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 3:05 PM

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man

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 3:15 PM

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fiend

sinful pawn Feb 3, 2023, 3:26 PM

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merry falcon fiend

wtf that’s me (it’s not)

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 3:27 PM

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sinful pawn wtf that’s me (it’s not)

its your european brother

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 4:10 PM

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merry falcon fiend

you met duwa lmao

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:11 PM

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winged cloud you met duwa lmao

cool

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i dont know whats cooler

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 4:11 PM

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is a friend of mine

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:11 PM

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a cheater a cum fiend or duwa

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:11 PM

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winged cloud is a friend of mine

awesome ..

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oh wait

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you met tindy ...

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hes a friend of mine

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this game is so small

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even in the mutuals 🙂

raven wharf Feb 3, 2023, 4:40 PM

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its so weird that this is considered a small community

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it feels big but people run into the same people all the time in lobbies

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 4:44 PM

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merry falcon you met tindy ...

tindy my beloved friend

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:46 PM

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winged cloud tindy my beloved friend

NO ... MINE

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😭

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 4:47 PM

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NO

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:48 PM

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winged cloud NO

proof?

sullen venture Feb 3, 2023, 4:49 PM

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4

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:49 PM

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sullen venture 4

hi replaycoidng

sullen venture Feb 3, 2023, 4:49 PM

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hi

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i wake up early today

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 4:53 PM

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merry falcon proof?

im part of his secret server

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:53 PM

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winged cloud im part of his secret server

i know that.

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 4:53 PM

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funnyfortnitedance

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fuck

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:54 PM

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unfortuantely im not in the gay server

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 4:54 PM

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how do you know

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illegal

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:54 PM

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you just told me

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 4:54 PM

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wow i got outplayed

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:54 PM

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also i think we played before once sometime ago but whatever

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 4:54 PM

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I take the l

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:55 PM

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winged cloud I take the l

gg fair fight well played

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 4:55 PM

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NODDERS

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:55 PM

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quick. show me every loadout of yours

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so i can check

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 4:56 PM

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eh

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how am i gonna do that

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:56 PM

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idk screenshare

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printscreen button

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 4:56 PM

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i mean yes but like

sinful pawn Feb 3, 2023, 4:56 PM

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print it out and send it in the mail

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:56 PM

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hi cum fiend

sullen venture Feb 3, 2023, 4:56 PM

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sinful pawn print it out and send it in the mail

how do you know my address!??!?!

raven wharf Feb 3, 2023, 4:57 PM

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merry falcon printscreen button

take a picture of your monitor with your phone trollfig

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:57 PM

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sullen venture how do you know my address!??!?!

did you know taht your ip adres is actually your geolocation

sinful pawn Feb 3, 2023, 4:57 PM

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merry falcon hi cum fiend

wtf that’s me (it’s not)

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:57 PM

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sinful pawn wtf that’s me (it’s not)

liar ... 🙄

sullen venture Feb 3, 2023, 4:57 PM

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sinful pawn wtf that’s me (it’s not)

@inland compass abuse your mod powers to do some name changes trollfig

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:57 PM

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and get demoted for 3 days

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for a funny

sullen venture Feb 3, 2023, 4:57 PM

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merry falcon and get demoted for 3 days

not my problem 🤷‍♀️

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trollfig

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:58 PM

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sullen venture not my problem 🤷‍♀️

proof?

inland compass Feb 3, 2023, 4:58 PM

#

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:58 PM

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hes your friend his problems are your problems .

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:58 PM

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inland compass

true

sullen venture Feb 3, 2023, 4:58 PM

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merry falcon hes your friend his problems are your problems .

darn.

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 4:59 PM

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winged cloud i mean yes but like

but like what

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dont forget about the @lusty maple and its attachment limit

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trollfig

sullen venture Feb 3, 2023, 5:00 PM

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dyno is actually evil

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 5:01 PM

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yeah just like mee6

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 5:03 PM

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i can easily work around that issue

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nah now im too lazy to do it

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 5:04 PM

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winged cloud nah now im too lazy to do it

screenshare?

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https://tenor.com/view/cute-kitty-jumping-animals-cat-gif-17239356

Tenor

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 5:07 PM

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eh might aswell, im very bored

sullen venture Feb 3, 2023, 5:09 PM

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@merry falcon how bad have the bots been for you?

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 5:10 PM

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sullen venture <@235307846676381696> how bad have the bots been for you?

what bots

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that new fake omegatronic? hes instakicked anyway

sullen venture Feb 3, 2023, 5:10 PM

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huh

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i've been getting a lot of bots

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almost every match

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where do you usually get queued into?

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 5:10 PM

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sullen venture i've been getting a lot of bots

i dont recall ch being fixed

abstract plume Feb 3, 2023, 6:54 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyTYl1NrUhY

YouTube

Pathulhu

Flame Beam (visuals only)

Changes absolutely bugger about the actual flame physics this is just me making something I think is cool

▶ Play video

astral jungle Feb 3, 2023, 7:11 PM

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https://youtu.be/Ksj7ioUZT3o

YouTube

SilentManJoe

Grass grows, Birds fly, Sun shines, and Brother...

My Twitter: https://twitter.com/SilentManJoe

▶ Play video

merry falcon Feb 3, 2023, 7:11 PM

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the fog

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https://tenor.com/view/sog-cat-soggy-cat-sogged-cat-get-sogged-get-real-gif-26481153

Tenor

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@winged cloud

winged cloud Feb 3, 2023, 7:12 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/zoro-pain-one-piece-kuma-paw-paw-fruit-gif-20611761

Tenor

sinful pawn Feb 3, 2023, 7:46 PM

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abstract plume https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyTYl1NrUhY

lightning gun real

abstract plume Feb 3, 2023, 8:22 PM

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the flamethrower if it was good

crude anchor Feb 4, 2023, 4:26 AM

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winged cloud Feb 4, 2023, 5:56 AM

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ah a classic

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rickroll

merry falcon Feb 4, 2023, 6:13 AM

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what’s that justin bieber map

raven wharf Feb 4, 2023, 10:31 AM

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i got sprays to work, and ofcourse i have to make it the little guy i made

merry falcon Feb 4, 2023, 10:36 AM

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raven wharf i got sprays to work, and ofcourse i have to make it the little guy i made

omg.. little guy

wary flax Feb 4, 2023, 1:40 PM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19AdiNtNIGNnPx-fxXHj-_GLFvnjjnJjpfyF4z0ufig8/edit#gid=0
Guys, is there a similar spreadsheet with statistics of the intervals between updates, but for tf2?

Google Docs

CS:GO Update Diff

Main

Timestamp,Date,Diff in days,Version,Link
TODAY,4 February 2023,10
1671232434,25 January 2023,40,1.38.5.1 (1542),https://steamdb.info/patchnotes/10402934/,Compiled by @AquaIsMissing &

winged cloud Feb 4, 2023, 1:44 PM

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dunno

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also

#

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^is the crossbow really the weapon where their projectile only starts to render after the red line?

#

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Like before the above mentioned red line

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the projectile is simply not there

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but we can see the trail of it

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the faint blue trail

abstract plume Feb 4, 2023, 5:09 PM

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i think a lot of projectile weapons are like that

molten spade Feb 4, 2023, 5:11 PM

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Yeah rockets also do that

lavish gust Feb 4, 2023, 5:14 PM

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well technically they dont

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but theyre spawned further up

winged cloud Feb 4, 2023, 5:15 PM

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heeeh

sullen venture Feb 4, 2023, 5:15 PM

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silly funny

astral jungle Feb 4, 2023, 5:17 PM

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with valve games it never was the case that the projectile would appear in the right place, it seems.
it doesn't correspond to fp nor third person model.

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same for hitscan tbh

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in overwatch it seems to work right though

merry falcon Feb 4, 2023, 5:21 PM

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overwatch compensates for projectiles though 🙄

astral jungle Feb 4, 2023, 5:21 PM

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and somehow this also can be influenced by using mastercomfig or some other config that changes net settings.
like demo pipes will start appearing infront instead of behind you.

astral jungle Feb 4, 2023, 5:22 PM

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merry falcon overwatch compensates for projectiles though 🙄

same way soldier aim compensates when looking at walls up close and far away?

merry falcon Feb 4, 2023, 5:22 PM

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i dont know

winged cloud Feb 4, 2023, 5:22 PM

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isnt that like kinda bound with interpolation?

merry falcon Feb 4, 2023, 5:22 PM

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what you are tallking about .

sullen venture Feb 4, 2023, 5:22 PM

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astral jungle and somehow this also can be influenced by using mastercomfig or some other conf...

Yeah, they aren't lag compensated i believe

astral jungle Feb 4, 2023, 5:24 PM

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I initially was pointing at that soldier's tockets would shoot out of your chest instead of the rocket launcher in third person.
nor does it look accurate in first person.
and with heavy the shots come out of your face in third person and from the center in first person.

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stuff doesn't correspond to the gun in any perspective.

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same with crossbow, flare guns, bows and so on.

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I would give overwatch benefit of the doubt because for hitscan it is very much possible that they hide the actual raytrace from camera perspective and just align the gun raytrace with the hit target.

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and for rockets...

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I don't actually know, it seems fine to me.

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like I still can't tell if they also use viewmodels for the first person perspective or is it true first person

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tf2's true first person is kinda janky

sullen venture Feb 4, 2023, 5:29 PM

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astral jungle like I still can't tell if they also use viewmodels for the first person perspec...

wdym?

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the vr first person?

astral jungle Feb 4, 2023, 5:29 PM

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yes

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in tf2

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where you see your 3d model in first person camera

proper umbra Feb 4, 2023, 5:31 PM

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it uses the world models

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like

sullen venture Feb 4, 2023, 5:31 PM

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] cl_first_person_uses_world_mode

proper umbra Feb 4, 2023, 5:31 PM

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the third person

sullen venture Feb 4, 2023, 5:31 PM

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i'd say that explains it

proper umbra Feb 4, 2023, 5:31 PM

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stuff

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yeah

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iirc that mode also allows you to do first person taunts

frigid needleBOT Feb 4, 2023, 5:32 PM

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*iirc that

mode also allows you to

do first person taunts*

astral jungle Feb 4, 2023, 5:32 PM

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yeah and I call it true first person.
no viewmodels.
just real 3d you in-game.

sullen venture Feb 4, 2023, 5:33 PM

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okay

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also the rockets do line up in thirdperson

winged cloud Feb 4, 2023, 5:33 PM

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for the first person taunts tf_taunt_first_person 1

sullen venture Feb 4, 2023, 5:34 PM

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yeah, it works even in normal fp

astral jungle Feb 4, 2023, 5:34 PM

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then I either misremember or
oh right, only with original.

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original has rockets come out of the chest.

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for obvious reasons.

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gameplay reasons.

proper umbra Feb 4, 2023, 5:35 PM

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winged cloud for the first person taunts tf_taunt_first_person 1

ohhhh

astral jungle Feb 4, 2023, 5:35 PM

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it probably corresponds to the viewmodel that way but had they put it any lower then the rockets definitely would come out of the crotch.

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that would be a buff I think.

molten spade Feb 5, 2023, 12:56 AM

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sullen venture Feb 5, 2023, 12:58 AM

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molten spade

amazing

wary flax Feb 5, 2023, 1:11 AM

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https://youtu.be/HeplcICPcts

YouTube

ratlobber2

TF2: Why Does Sniper Hate Fruit Shop Owners?

the answer to the age-old question is finally revealed

▶ Play video

sullen venture Feb 5, 2023, 1:45 AM

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I JUST AIRSHOT AN INVIS SPY

molten spade Feb 5, 2023, 2:36 AM

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@mcoms ban cheater pls

sullen venture Feb 5, 2023, 2:37 AM

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molten spade `@mcoms` ban cheater pls

yeah, please ban me 😭

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I'm a dirty cheater

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I wish i had demo recording on :|

molten spade Feb 5, 2023, 2:38 AM

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smh didnt even have nvidia instant reply

sullen venture Feb 5, 2023, 2:39 AM

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molten spade smh didnt even have nvidia instant reply

I'm not on windows

molten spade Feb 5, 2023, 2:40 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/microsoft-windows-10-window-error-gif-22808203

Tenor

sullen venture Feb 5, 2023, 2:40 AM

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wtf

lavish gust Feb 5, 2023, 2:41 AM

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molten spade `@mcoms` ban cheater pls

banned

molten spade Feb 5, 2023, 2:41 AM

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🙏

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thank you for making the mastercomfig server a safer place

sinful pawn Feb 5, 2023, 4:06 AM

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i'm gonna fucking scream

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I made a change I didn't like in my vsciprt code, reverted to a previous commit and then realize that it was before I made a bunch of changes

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ughhhh i don't remember all the things i changed

lavish gust Feb 5, 2023, 4:49 AM

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sinful pawn I made a change I didn't like in my vsciprt code, reverted to a previous commit ...

how did you revert

sinful pawn Feb 5, 2023, 4:49 AM

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git

lavish gust Feb 5, 2023, 4:50 AM

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yeah

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but

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what did you use

sinful pawn Feb 5, 2023, 4:50 AM

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github desktop?

lavish gust Feb 5, 2023, 4:50 AM

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what option in github desktop

sinful pawn Feb 5, 2023, 4:50 AM

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oh my god i'm fucking stupid i reverted the wrong commit anyway because i never fucking commited the breaking change i made

lavish gust Feb 5, 2023, 4:50 AM

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and did you commit or add anything before reverting

sinful pawn Feb 5, 2023, 4:51 AM

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i didn't commit but i did edit

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but it doesn't matter because i reverted the revert because like i said i was stupid

lavish gust Feb 5, 2023, 4:53 AM

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git is easy to revert

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when you lose work

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but i need more info

sinful pawn Feb 5, 2023, 4:55 AM

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it doesn't matter anymore, what i did was essentially discard my changes that i hadn't committed, and then reverted an unrelated commit, so i just reverted that revert

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just selected this option tho

lavish gust Feb 5, 2023, 4:56 AM

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how did you discard your changes that you hadn't committed

sinful pawn Feb 5, 2023, 4:57 AM

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right click, discard

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actually that discard just moves stuff to the recycle bin anyway

lavish gust Feb 5, 2023, 7:33 AM

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winged cloud Feb 5, 2023, 9:07 AM

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yes master

astral jungle Feb 5, 2023, 10:14 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmBMO9BXoxw

YouTube

Spine_apples

Miss Pauling on Vacation

the one where she's hanging out with scout is over on patreon
https://www.patreon.com/Spineapples

I've pretty much animated most of the voicelines now(the interesting ones anyway)

send memes over on discord
https://discord.gg/9zScjczmHE

▶ Play video

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stoked

spark wadi Feb 5, 2023, 10:19 AM

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I just broke my killstreak record again

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I got an 8 streak with the help of a phlog pyro

astral jungle Feb 5, 2023, 10:20 AM

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what were you using

merry falcon Feb 5, 2023, 10:32 AM

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medigun

merry falcon Feb 5, 2023, 10:32 AM

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spark wadi I got an 8 streak with the help of a phlog pyro

hello scepsis i own a phlog. wanna cooperate

spark wadi Feb 5, 2023, 10:44 AM

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if only my ping wasn't so lousy

lavish gust Feb 5, 2023, 3:38 PM

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i forgot how awesome the contract lines are

real pecan Feb 5, 2023, 3:39 PM

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yeah

sullen venture Feb 5, 2023, 8:07 PM

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lmao the etf2l bot is still posting in#tf2-discussion

lyric vale Feb 5, 2023, 8:13 PM

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guys I just realized something

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I think mcoms leaked the assets as part of a plot to switch to threads

frigid needleBOT Feb 5, 2023, 8:13 PM

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*I think mcoms leaked

the assets as part of a

plot to switch to threads*

real pecan Feb 5, 2023, 8:14 PM

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The master plan

lyric vale Feb 5, 2023, 9:41 PM

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tfs2 has solved tf2

sullen venture Feb 5, 2023, 9:45 PM

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lyric vale tfs2 has solved tf2

:(

lyric vale Feb 5, 2023, 10:40 PM

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the tfs2 experience

wary flax Feb 5, 2023, 10:43 PM

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lyric vale tfs2 has solved tf2

remove engie and heavy

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and give pyro the quake 4 lightning gun

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then you've solved tf2

abstract plume Feb 5, 2023, 11:09 PM

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give heavy a reload and make engineer gunslinger by default and give pyro a hitscan flamethrower

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fixed tf2

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was "playing" fortress one and some (?) servers gave heavy a clip of 100 ammo

wary flax Feb 5, 2023, 11:32 PM

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abstract plume give heavy a reload and make engineer gunslinger by default and give pyro a hits...

hitscan flamethrower == lightning gun

sullen venture Feb 5, 2023, 11:33 PM

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quake 3 fans shouldn't have human rights trollfig

wary flax Feb 5, 2023, 11:33 PM

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sullen venture quake 3 fans shouldn't have human rights <:trollfig:938154442484777111>

incorrect and non-factual

real pecan Feb 5, 2023, 11:33 PM

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I would enjoy a hitscan unlock, but the stock should remain an object with momentum

abstract plume Feb 5, 2023, 11:48 PM

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the momentum is implemented in a really janky way

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contact based damage and having particles that can just float inside people for extended periods of time isn't really interesting

broken quest Feb 5, 2023, 11:59 PM

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sullen venture quake 3 fans shouldn't have human rights <:trollfig:938154442484777111>

actually quite based?

sullen venture Feb 5, 2023, 11:59 PM

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trollfig

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i support human rights for all

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except quake 3 fans

turbid vigil Feb 6, 2023, 12:34 AM

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lyric vale tfs2 has solved tf2

6s meta:

real pecan Feb 6, 2023, 12:45 AM

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Heavy and engineer are present

broken quest Feb 6, 2023, 1:14 AM

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turbid vigil 6s meta:

ENGINEER TO MID META 🔥 🔥 💪

turbid vigil Feb 6, 2023, 1:14 AM

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battle engie <3

broken quest Feb 6, 2023, 1:16 AM

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"W-wait guys!! Just wait 8.4 seconds so I can build my dispenser!!"

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"Wait... They are pushing? Let me build a Mini-Sentr- FUCK THEY ALREADY DESTROYED IT!"

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"They are bombing our med?! No worry I am getting there!"

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"Oh fuck their Scout killed me, can - can we ask for a pause?"

real pecan Feb 6, 2023, 1:22 AM

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engie needs a backpack that lets metal be converted into armor

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and works as a jetpack too

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so he can be a generalist

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:23 AM

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engie needs to burn in hell

real pecan Feb 6, 2023, 1:23 AM

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😭

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:23 AM

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(i'm a scout main why do you ask?)

real pecan Feb 6, 2023, 1:23 AM

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don't mess with texas

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:23 AM

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minis suck

real pecan Feb 6, 2023, 1:24 AM

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The gunslinger merely lets engineer be as annoying as scout

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:24 AM

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but makes scout unfun to play :(

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:24 AM

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good trollfig

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:24 AM

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sinful pawn good <:trollfig:938154442484777111>

fuck you

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what are you, a spy main?

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:25 AM

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they should let you overcharge a sentry which makes it fire very fast but it blows up after that

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:25 AM

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sullen venture what are you, a spy main?

pyro/med

real pecan Feb 6, 2023, 1:25 AM

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I have never mained and just do whatever needs filling

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:25 AM

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i more just like making fun of scout mains

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:25 AM

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lmao

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trollfig

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:26 AM

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real pecan I have never mained and just do whatever needs filling

same but i tend to prefer those 2

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like i'm not about to be the 3rd pyro on the team if i see we already have 2

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:26 AM

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i gravitate towards soldier pyro engineer

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engineer with gunslinger cuz i dont like turtling

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i like getting out there

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:27 AM

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med is actually my 5th played because I only started to really main him recently, and because there usually already is a med in the game

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:27 AM

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how do people get any fun out of turtling anyways

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:27 AM

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good question

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:27 AM

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idk

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:27 AM

#

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i wish i could reset points but only that

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or like reset all my stats except playtime

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:28 AM

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lol

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you might be able to with some shenanigans

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:28 AM

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spy is such a stupid class

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:28 AM

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i think at once point i got recommended copying the stats down, resetting, and then using sam

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but its just like

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that would take so long

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because i only want to reset 9 stats

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and i'd need to manually fill in like 100+

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:29 AM

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i dont think u need to reset with sam

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:29 AM

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no you don't

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:29 AM

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u just modify values no

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:29 AM

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uhhhh

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i want to say it was something like it doesn't let you set values lower than what they were

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only higher

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:30 AM

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odd

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:30 AM

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i don't think it was a sam issue i think it might be a steam thing

frigid needleBOT Feb 6, 2023, 1:30 AM

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*i don't think it was

a sam issue i think it

might be a steam thing*

broken quest Feb 6, 2023, 1:31 AM

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gunslinger engi is so boring

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it used to be my main

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:32 AM

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i like it because having a multiclass secondary as your primary is dope

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:32 AM

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i honestly use gunslinger more often in mvm than i do in real games lol

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:32 AM

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try editing tf2_playerstats.dmx

broken quest Feb 6, 2023, 1:32 AM

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broken quest gunslinger engi is so boring

scout is so much more fun

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:33 AM

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exactly

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until an engie comes along

real pecan Feb 6, 2023, 1:33 AM

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trade server moment

broken quest Feb 6, 2023, 1:33 AM

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sullen venture until an engie comes along

no really

real pecan Feb 6, 2023, 1:33 AM

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for spy

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:33 AM

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mini-sentry engie

broken quest Feb 6, 2023, 1:33 AM

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you can just do your thing while your other combat generalists take care of him

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:33 AM

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broken quest you can just do your thing while your other combat generalists take care of him

unfortunately, i play casual

broken quest Feb 6, 2023, 1:33 AM

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same applies

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just let your soldier shoot ground

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:34 AM

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kinda impossible on a lot of payload maps

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:35 AM

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god i hate payload

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:35 AM

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payload is ok

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it's not great, but it's fine

broken quest Feb 6, 2023, 1:36 AM

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it's one of the worse gamemodes

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mainly because of map pool

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:36 AM

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we're all entitled to our own opinions, with that said, 5cp is an affront to god trollfig

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:37 AM

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payload would be fine if it had stopwatch

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:37 AM

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sinful pawn we're all entitled to our own opinions, with that said, 5cp is an affront to god...

5cp is the third best gamemode, then koth, and with pd being best trollfig

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:37 AM

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like any other gamemode that's not 5cp and has a timer should have stopwatch

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like a/d too

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:37 AM

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stopwatch should be in everything except 5cp

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:38 AM

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god i miss stopwatch in casual

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:38 AM

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although powerhouse should not have a timer

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:38 AM

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cring

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:38 AM

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it solves the "red/blue too strong" problem by making it about who can make the most out of their advantages

broken quest Feb 6, 2023, 1:38 AM

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5cp would be more fun if the game was properly balanced so classes like engineer can not just simply make an impenetrable defense

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:38 AM

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sinful pawn cring

i like the fact that it goes on forever

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:38 AM

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skill issue

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:38 AM

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its the 2fort of 3cp

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:38 AM

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5cp would be more fun if 5cp maps didn't require engis to just not build teleporters

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or run eureka

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:39 AM

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or just not play engie trollfig

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which is good

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:39 AM

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like engi is just awful for 5cp

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i like engi but its either last hold or "why am i playing this fucking class if all i'm doing is going back and forth from forward spawns to build teles"

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the kind of ideal 50/50 game where you go back and forth makes playing engi a nightmare

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:39 AM

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good trollfig

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:39 AM

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i think engi is fine

broken quest Feb 6, 2023, 1:40 AM

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sinful pawn or run eureka

trollfig

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:40 AM

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I mean like i said, this is a map design problem

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3cp has it better because its only 3 points and no forward spawns

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:40 AM

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broken quest <:trollfig:938154442484777111>

nobody plays this mod trollfig

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:40 AM

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but it still has the last hold problem

broken quest Feb 6, 2023, 1:40 AM

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i think it's an engineer and the wonders of wrangler problem

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:40 AM

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if it's so well balanced where's the players???

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ok i think

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my engineer perception is warped cuz

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i dont use the wrangler

broken quest Feb 6, 2023, 1:41 AM

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LOL

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:41 AM

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just cuz idont like it

sinful pawn Feb 6, 2023, 1:41 AM

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same

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:41 AM

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thats all

broken quest Feb 6, 2023, 1:41 AM

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I'm a meta slave

proper umbra Feb 6, 2023, 1:42 AM

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not as a form of protest or whatever i just think the wrangler is boring idc if it gives my sentry damage resistance or whatever

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 1:42 AM

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wrangler is boring, and honestly most engies using it are easy kills

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(easy flank kills)

abstract plume Feb 6, 2023, 2:12 AM

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sullen venture how do people get any fun out of turtling anyways

average tf2 player is really bad and engi is a prime hand holding class

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 2:13 AM

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abstract plume average tf2 player is really bad and engi is a prime hand holding class

yeah, but how do you get fun out of standing in the same spot for the entire game

abstract plume Feb 6, 2023, 2:13 AM

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stack enough engis and abuse enough unlocks and prevent other people from having fun if you can't have any

spark wadi Feb 6, 2023, 2:15 AM

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I mean, the maps suck too
Like Dustbowl stage 2 last
Barely any safe areas for demos to hide and blow up sentry nests

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 2:16 AM

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spark wadi I mean, the maps suck too Like Dustbowl stage 2 last Barely any safe areas for ...

ubercharge trollfig

abstract plume Feb 6, 2023, 2:16 AM

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engi makes good maps boring and bad maps unplayable

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but it's not even engi like in a vacuum it's the easy stacking and the unlocks

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 2:17 AM

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sentries do, dispensers and teles are good

abstract plume Feb 6, 2023, 2:18 AM

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sentries are a good way of creating pacing and providing an obvious point of focus for your team to fight against, it's almost a micro objective in that way

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problems come in when players have a skewed view on how long they should survive

spark wadi Feb 6, 2023, 2:19 AM

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I mean, battalion's backup, Ubercharge, vaccinators exist

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But that needs coordination, which mostly doesn't exist outside highlander and 6s

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 2:19 AM

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turtling just isn't fun for either party

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same with sentry stacking

spark wadi Feb 6, 2023, 2:20 AM

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Yeah
It gets boring

spark wadi Feb 6, 2023, 2:21 AM

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abstract plume problems come in when players have a skewed view on how long they should survive

This too
I used to think I sucked if I died quickly
Now I observe my KDA instead

spark wadi Feb 6, 2023, 2:23 AM

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spark wadi But that needs coordination, which mostly doesn't exist outside highlander and 6...

The only thing you can rely on is your own gamesense, which sometimes works
Like when I got 8 consecutive assists after barely getting enough Uber to pocket a phlog pyro who was already deploying their mmmph

wary flax Feb 6, 2023, 2:23 AM

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abstract plume problems come in when players have a skewed view on how long they should survive

the skewed view comes from the fact that dustbowl forces you to wait 25 seconds to respawn on defense

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it is not fun

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you are dead for longer than you're alive

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many old maps are like this

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2fort

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goldrush

sullen venture Feb 6, 2023, 2:25 AM

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goldrush 🤮

spark wadi Feb 6, 2023, 2:25 AM

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Yeah

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Makes grinding contracts in 2fort more annoying

abstract plume Feb 6, 2023, 2:26 AM

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devs make red respawn times long as fuck because they understand defense is way stronger than offense in tf2
add items that make defense even easier / stronger anyway

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suspicious.........

spark wadi Feb 6, 2023, 2:27 AM

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Just fix the respawn times
Those are way more annoying

abstract plume Feb 6, 2023, 2:27 AM

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if the respawn times on defense got any shorter in asymmetrical modes blu would never ever win

spark wadi Feb 6, 2023, 2:27 AM

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I understand that weapons can be jank, but getting punished by 20 seconds for entering a sniper sightline is quite unfair

abstract plume Feb 6, 2023, 2:28 AM

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sniper coming up again

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anyways idk even barring unlocks i think valve understands that the way classes are designed they cant make red respawn times any shorter

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they'd have to uncheesify engi / pyro / a little bit of heavy / sniper and that's too much work

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and would be met with a lot of resistance from people who enjoy those classes because theyre cheesy

spark wadi Feb 6, 2023, 2:40 AM

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yeah, true

broken quest Feb 6, 2023, 3:12 AM

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crude anchor Feb 6, 2023, 3:57 AM

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It's just regular tf2 gameplay with hook spam

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