#Should draw offers be banned?
carmine cedar
no
weak zinc
naw
uneven panther
NO
minor shard
No
pale hearth
no
worn ether
no
coral thistle
no
minor shard
no way
hard echo
Heck no
crystal marsh
nah
minor shard
dude
crystal marsh
No
round laurel
at least this one is clear
karmic thunder
Never
pale hearth
NO way
rustic orchid
no
wary sundial
It shouldnt'
round laurel
clear totem
no
worn ether
heeeeell nah
drowsy sparrow
no cause draw
eternal moss
drowsy latch
but why tho?
pale hearth
never
dapper breach
NO TF
fleet dawn
there should be an option for draw, and draw and keep playing
lone plank
nope.avi
crystal marsh
if a party gtg then a draw offer is a good thing
spiral surge
yes, before move 30 in high level chess
round laurel
no debate lmao
brazen zinc
No
unique cedar
who was author of that genius idea
half dove
they should?
static lodge
when im in school and i have to leave a class so i can ask to draw and someone can be nice enough to draw 🙂
half dove
obv
velvet cypress
If it is a certain draw why wait
zinc scaffold
Really close vote there!
jolly mango
<:KEKW:754412922544848986>
you trolling?
sly meteor
hell nah
frosty walrus
ig the opinion is just that unpopular (real)
undone wharf
Why would it? Hard no.
polar gyro
bro draw offer is like a main thing of chess
wary sundial
As some positons are dead even
zinc scaffold
Really close vote there!
glad wraith
make it like irl
wary sundial
draws will be necessary
frank canyon
No but if you excessivily offer draws it should be temporarily disabled for you
vast girder
this is such a bad poll lmao
unique sinew
I think the better question is "should @eternal moss close previous threads before opening new ones?"...
haughty cedar
Why should they be banned? it's an offer that the opponent can accept or decline so there's nothing wrong with it
wary sundial
Draw offers are rarely accepted
sharp dagger
real?
knotty sundial
They can just do draw by repetition
sharp lance
literally ingsoc
potent pawn
litteraly 1984
marsh rock
Why should they be banned? it's an offer that the opponent can accept or decline...
If it was banned, couldn't both players just agree to repeat moves forcing draw anyways?
knotty sundial
but if it was banned then they can
supple depot
why would you want to ban it though?
digital pollen
hell nah
burnt mica
especially for top level chess
as they always say, "chess played perfectly is always a draw"
unique sinew
this is such a bad poll lmao
I agree actually, there're better topics to discuss imo
Like Sicilian vs 1...e5 or Magnus vs Kasparov
Draw offers, really?
haughty cedar
If it was banned, couldn't both players just agree to repeat moves forcing draw ...
That would work too, but they might not let that happen at a tournament
peak ledge
draws by agreement are useful for the reasons if someone has to go and is in material, if a game is going too long and its even, or if the two players are in an endgame where theres little to no pieces on the board and they just want it over
rustic apex
nah and it dont depend on shit
lusty ruin
No, of course not
peak ledge
repetition takes more time, and stalemate is dumb..,
burnt mica
and then 50 move rule takes forever
vast girder
i cant see that
eternal moss
this is such a bad poll lmao
it's a really big discussion in top level chess. when you're watching a tourney and people agree to a draw after 4 moves cause idk. they only need a draw to move on to the next phase. it's not winning half a point because of a perfectly played chess game
haughty cedar
repetition takes more time, and stalemate is dumb..,
but sometimes you want stalemate if you are clearly losing
vast girder
it's a really big discussion in top level chess. when you're watching a tourney ...
it should be banned for like the first 20 moves then ig
west nymph
No it saved 45 elo 💀 for me
barren spindle
bruh why are we banning this?
eternal moss
west nymph
what if I goytta go eat dinner randomly and dont want to lose my elo? @eternal moss
lusty ruin
draw by agreement should not be banned online or in person
dusk forge
most supergm tournaments already ban draw offers in the first x amount of moves this poll sucks 💀
eternal moss
what if I goytta go eat dinner randomly and dont want to lose my elo? <@55282618...
tough sh*t 
burnt mica
but sometimes you want stalemate if you are clearly losing
it's hard to force a stalemate, you have to have like kings and pawns, and with only those, good luck not getting mated
marsh mason
If the game is going nowhere, then offering a draw is a good idea.
haughty cedar
then it should be banned
No, draw is a useful thing if both players do not want to play on
barren spindle
if me and my opponent blunder our queen im pretty sure neither wanna play
unreal shale
this is the dumbassest question so far here. literally if there is no move anymore and you gonna get stalematted with your opponent in like 6 turns just draw by agree
peak ledge
but sometimes you want stalemate if you are clearly losing
while that is true (it happened to me today, actually just vice versa), draws by stalemate usually take way too many turns and especially if the game is low elo + and -, resigning would generally be better if your only losing like 8 elo points
west nymph
WHat if I gotta take a shit and I don't want to resign?
desert valve
they shouldnt be banned
west nymph
Elo gone then
unique sinew
it's a really big discussion in top level chess. when you're watching a tourney ...
I mean at a level of most people here it's not very controversial
Because we all hang 25 pieces by move 4 and the percentage of draws for most of us is below 5%
quartz needle
no
haughty cedar
while that is true (it happened to me today, actually just vice versa), draws by...
yeah i know
peak ledge
draw by agreement are (imo) the best method of drawing, when i want a draw
queen sleet
NEIN
west nymph
if you want it to be banned then atleast have a move limit (below 20 moves imo) and also draws are really useful in emergency situations like dinner, taking a shit or a piss, going somewhere
unique sinew
I mean at a level of most people here it's not very controversial
Because we all...
I think it would be much more interesting to discuss something like "Should players below master level play main line openings or tricky sidelines?"
'Cause I mean we aren't GMs
west nymph
GMS shouldn't be allowed ig if you are talking about PROFESSIONAL chess
rich slate
west nymph
but we sure need em in online chess
because when you go to the tournament, you got no emergencies
you take your time to go
your mom wont call your for dinner in a tournament
but in home she will
so we need draw by agreeement atleast online
your a outlier
80% of the people I asked to draw, they accepted
people aren't assholes 💀
peak ledge
stalemate is only a reliable source of drawing if your losing, and draw by repetition is only reliable if your opponent agrees to repeat not one, not two, but three moves in a row, thus drawing by agreement is the base for repetition and stalemate only occurs once every so often
unique sinew
These polls are becoming more and more boring, unfortunately 
lilac jolt
Lol he called u a asshole technically
peak ledge
people aren't assholes 💀
people i play are assholes
peak ledge
peak ledge
I have had racist conversations in chess.com
you WHAT
lusty ruin
no offense but thats such a scumbag thing to do
Its usually not their fault they have to leave, why penalize them for something that's out of their control
peak ledge
no offense but thats such a scumbag thing to do
Its usually not their fault the...
genuinely
unique sinew
stalemate is only a reliable source of drawing if your losing, and draw by repet...
You don't have to repeat moves 3 times, the position has to occure 3 times, so basically you have to repeat the moves twice
You have a position, you repat once and then you repeat once again and it's a draw
west nymph
What if I get a random shit
peak ledge
what if you dont think you alhave to go..,
west nymph
White sadly
empty fern
nobody ever accepts draws so
raw walrus
why would anyone say yes lmao
west nymph
nobody ever accepts draws so
you need a better matching
still sorrel
west nymph
mfs saying yes have enemies
lusty ruin
White sadly
sadly
west nymph
I got no enemies
raw walrus
dont accept if ur winning
peak ledge
usually drawing only gains and loses a VERYYY small amount of elo points, if not stay even
so its fine, right?
raw walrus
if they really had to go theyd probably understand
lusty ruin
so its fine, right?
yes
west nymph
I randomly proposed a draw to a Kazakh dude, he said no, I said "for the boys!" he instantly accpeted
the duality of men
lusty ruin
I randomly proposed a draw to a Kazakh dude, he said no, I said "for the boys!" ...
LOL
west nymph
he was up 12 points of material 💀
pure juniper
there shouldnt be any debate on this 💀
west nymph
he's a real one
peak ledge
there shouldnt be any debate on this 💀
there really shouldnt
pure juniper
who are the bozos voting yes
west nymph
@eternal moss do you come up with this poll
lusty ruin
i only offer draws when the material is exactly even and the position makes it a draw (opposite color bishops, for example)
pure juniper
who are the bozos voting yes
wait when they finally start getting into otb and make themselves grind out hours long dead drawn endgames
wicked cipher
Hell nah
manic stump
This is the worst idea I've heard in a while
dull mesa
hmmmmm
solid thicket
no
eternal moss
<@552826188997853185> do you come up with this poll
nope. dont remember actually who did. maybe. 
but I agreed with it for sure
cause it's a big discussion it top level chess
fierce radish
no because it's present in all forms of chess and it would be classed as one less draw situation and therefore classed as "changing the rules"
sick sentinel
Yes. Fight to checkmate or stalemate ⚔️
fierce radish
also what if you have to leave halfway thru a match?
sick sentinel
rotund tangle
yes because yknow how you have queen and queen and 2 lonely kings or something like that? yeah what u gonna do if your opponent aint gonna draw by repetition
vivid cape
Yes. Fight to checkmate or stalemate ⚔️
How about in theoretical draw
What do you do
Do you wait for hikaru to blunder
crystal marsh
literary even if it is banned then players can jus agree to repeat moves
therefore it cannot be banned
crystal marsh
what shit logic is that
acoustic roost
100 elo logic
crystal marsh
its my choice my move
if i repeat its my choice
u cannot force me to play on in a different way
acoustic roost
crystal marsh
u can never ban draws by agreement
players can just disscuss how they will repeat moves
acoustic roost
crystal marsh
at top level people have pride to not scam the opponent too
acoustic roost
grizzled carbon
No
sick sentinel
What do you do
50 move rule 🙂
vivid cape
Nah also theoretical draws could contain checks
silver thorn
Well, no, for fairly obvious reasons.
fickle grotto
No, I've sat thru enough RvR lol
high nest
no wtf
what if the player has to go or something
tropic quiver
ironically I’m the kind of guy who doesn’t offer a draw in a rook vs rook endgame with no pawns
still shouldn’t be banned though
in my defense my elo range blunders half their moves so it’s worth playing on
sonic bear
okay who came up with this
hushed raven
to be fair, it is by agreement so i feel that its pretty fair
violet relic
No, that's crazy to even think it's a thing
silent wolf
if two people want a draw, why force them to play into a position where repeating moves is even good?
long palm
2️⃣
compact citrus
no, if u dont wanna draw, just deny
crystal marsh
no, because its by agreement you arent forced to accept said draw. If both players agree to a draw then thats on them.
Its completely optional, I would however, like to hear the other side of the argument
if a games going to end in a draw then you could argue the players should play it out, but at that point its just a waste of the players' time
plus, one could lose by time, resulting in a (kinda) unfair loss.
vocal crag
even if there was no draw offer there would be draw by 50-70 move
so there's no point to just waste time to wait till then
true comet
draw is only needed if the player has to go but it worried abt losing elo
vocal crag
well if the opponent was losing time (or losing position) we would just not accept it
and also in the tournaments there are rules that ban draws till 40th move which justifies the aggrement even more
true comet
Its completely optional, I would however, like to hear the other side of the arg...
of course draw shouldn’t be banned , but the other side would be that it isnt necessary if you wanted to play that game in the first place - it isnt in tournaments so ye u could argue that i guess
toxic dagger
No because if there is a draw like 15 moves later then you should draw just to save time
random flower
?
thin prairie
if both players want a draw the game is gonna end up a draw anyway, you can make a case that some people blunder at the lower end of ratings but in 2000 games if both players think it’s a draw it’s gonna be a draw
sly kestrel
**Should draw offers (draw by agreement) be BANNED? **
Why tho?
Maybe the original intention of the question was not understood correctly, but as it is wrote, it's an absolute no.
wintry bough
nahhh cuh
crystal marsh
**Should draw offers (draw by agreement) be BANNED? **
I think it is just annoying to ban draw by agreement.
If both parties see it is a draw but are forced to play further they will just repeat moves.
PS: I do think Armageddon is a great solution to the stale landscape of only draws in professional chess
crystal marsh
would rather die than see draws be banned
unkempt karma
No, saves time
crystal marsh
whoever writes yes is seriously braindead
dire flax
no
ebon pollen
No
molten fossil
No
silent anvil
no
gaunt spindle
whoever writes yes is seriously braindead
your minesweeper bio is braindead 😭
lyric path
Nah. Draw offers can be seen as a sign of sportsmanship when you offer it to a weaker player while in a winning position
dull mesa
given that the majority say no, im gonna say yess 😂
gaunt spindle
given that the majority say no, im gonna say yess 😂
u gotta say why lol
dull mesa
ye im write an answer when im not lazy and ready to type 😂
gaunt spindle
alrighty
crystal marsh
your minesweeper bio is braindead 😭
lmao why you gotta do minesweeper dirty
fleet sentinel
lmao why you gotta do minesweeper dirty
the 3 in your bio should be a 4
same with the 2 next to it
fleet sentinel
hasent updated for me yet
fleet sentinel
sorry to bother but can u screenshot and draw where the error is
I cant send images here so ill dm you
crystal marsh
I cant send images here so ill dm you
ok
leaden schooner
it is a good sport to mutaily agree with the other person to send the offer and if they accept that is good sportsmanship
humble talon
no bc no... 👍
dapper sleet
No draw offers shouldn't be banned what If in the start of a game i have to go somewhere i can offer a draw people might accept if they don't that's their choice but u see how draw offers can be helpful in many ways . An example from a game
Magnus and vidit were playing magnus offered a draw at move 4 and vidit accepted because magnus idk had a not healthy stomach.
Also removing draw offers can cause decrease of morale in the players because even in an drawn position both would have to wait till the end untill a draw is caused why not just ask for a draw?
dawn tundra
No. Because if draw offer is banned, it would be annoying. Also, you might accidentally pressed play a game, but you don't want to lose points. Therefore, a draw would useful, and if the other player says no then explain in chat. That's what makes draw offers useful!
bold zephyr
If two players play a chess game then they should have the ability to offer and accept a draw. It may be less exciting for the audience but banning draw offers is no good point to make it more exciting. First of all player could still play forcing draw lines (e.g. Berlin draw) and secondly the players should have freedom to do what they want on the chess board when it's their game. Of course it's harder to sell chess to a big audience this way but it's not like everyone plays for a draw/offers a draw early at the highest level.
tropic quiver
chess players after playing 57,000 moves in a completely drawn endgame 💀
bold zephyr
chess players after playing 57,000 moves in a completely drawn endgame 💀
Just draw by 3fold
halcyon storm
drawing is a part of many large tournaments and games without drawing a tournament could go on forever in a stuck position while drawing might seem useless at first its its worth to the game is highly valuable to some players who have mercy on players and for those who want to try save a game thats losing by trying to play a draw and during tournaments drawing is often common for some reasons: A:both players are low on time B:the Game is stuck in a position where no one can lose now drawing is important because by doing 3 fold both the players lose by doing stalemate both the players lose aswell but with drawing both players are to come back the next day and should be kept in the game so no drawing offers should not be banned i rest my case
bold zephyr
The question/poll is only about draw offers but people talk about no draws at all. I am confused
exotic mango
Why should it be banned? It's an agreement and sometimes two players can both see a draw coming and there's no ned to waste time getting to it.
barren spindle
exactly
when someone blunders their queen in the first 10 or 15 moves sometimes i just offer a draw
violet relic
Banning it makes no sense. If neither player wants to move forward, then it should end. Simple as that.
humble epoch
No, if both of the players see the draw they can just finish the game early
sly kestrel
The question/poll is only about draw offers but people talk about no draws at al...
Well, some of them are confused, but it looks like most of people doesn't like even the idea of banning the "draw offers (draw by agreement)" anyways.
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I would love to vote "3️⃣ why?" xD because without any explanation, almost no one is even going to think on a good reason for thinking about the possibility of voting "1️⃣ yes"
bold zephyr
there is zero reason for draw offers to be banned
I think most people of the pro ban side don't like early draw offers which can be seen in the highest level
cyan glen
grizzled carbon
Lmfao
grizzled carbon
chess players after playing 57,000 moves in a completely drawn endgame 💀
50 move rule
dull mesa
I think the better question is "should <@552826188997853185> close previous thr...
Let em exist 😂
true comet
Should resign offers ( resign by agreement ) be BANNED?
dapper sleet
If two players play a chess game then they should have the ability to offer and ...
Silence u already have diamond
ashen bone
Hell no
fresh herald
I don't see why... it has to be a mutual agreement anyway, and its just an option you don't have to use it. it doesn't really hurt anybody... does it?
grizzled carbon
Stop writing essays here
unique sinew
dull mesa
draw offers should be banned
its just laziness, it isnt exactly what id say goes along with the nature of chess, chess is supposed to be about fighting and figuring stuff out to the end, that is the soul of chess and draw offers basically go against that, there r no draw offers by engine, and there is no player better than an engine
chess is obv draw when played perfectly, so an equal position is not an arguement for lazy draw offers, might as well not play chess then. if u want a draw or a win, work for it, force the result.
there r no draw offers in other sports, i dont see 20+ players being lazy and agreeing to draw in a field of cricket or football or something else
and draw offers dont do much favor to get people excited in the future for chess, wcc 2023 was gr8 because there werent boring draws, obv draws after playing the game out to last pieces all the way to tablebase is understandable, but otherwise draw by agreement is for cowards and the lazy
the core of eveyr popular player should be to serve the game and the fans (and obv make a living) but draw by agreement is the opposite of that and very self serving for when u r just unwilling to play the game, which shouldnt be a habit of professional player in any sport
there r lots of other rules for draws when/if game gets too long, draw agreements arent exactly objective draws (because objective draws leave no room for mistake), they r subjective draws cause the players dont wanna risk it
ban the draw by agreement
we came up with armageddon cause wedont want draws, that should speak enough about the mentality of literally everyone else except the players drawing with agreement repeatedly
||idk if i was repretitive or not 😂 wasnt exactly checking it to be perfect, just spitting out whatever came to my mind 😂 ||
bold zephyr
draw offers should be banned
its just laziness, it isnt exactly what id say goes...
An engine sacs a pawn after 49 moves to avoid the 50 move rule in a dead drawn position. Is this what you want chess to be?
You mention yourself that there are many other ways to draw so how would a ban of drawing offers make a big difference for the fans for example?
dull mesa
An engine sacs a pawn after 49 moves to avoid the 50 move rule in a dead drawn p...
but humans arent engine, they can make errors, and if they dont, then they can simplify down, and thats the point of playing the game
u solve the match u r playing to the best of ur capacity, draw offers ruin that cause basically u r hesitant to do that
bold zephyr
but humans arent engine, they can make errors, and if they dont, then they can s...
My point is you can't use the engine as example because the playing style is just ridiculous in drawish positions
dull mesa
You mention yourself that there are many other ways to draw so how would a ban o...
frequency of middlegames and endgames would defo increase, and as a fan those r the defo where it might be out of our understanding and hv exciting oppurtunities
and if there r no draw by agreements, then whoever plays solved drawn lines will defo hv that reputation, and they r more likely to try non solved drawn lines to the end if there is no draw offers
sure it might not make a difference in the short run cause of behavioural habits, but feels like its defo be a better practise in the long run, and more to learn for us
dull mesa
My point is you can't use the engine as example because the playing style is jus...
yea but my point is that objectively game wasnt designed to draw by agreements in early game(gotts respect that part of the game), and engines are as objective as the gameplay can get
the game is about all the permutations and combinations possible, and gameplay should be about that, not about self serving comfort zones of players
bold zephyr
Interesting opinion. My view is that you shouldn't be able to violate the freedrom of the players. If I play a game then I should be able to make a choice without anyone else telling me what I should or shouldn't do
dull mesa
Interesting opinion. My view is that you shouldn't be able to violate the freedr...
well u r choosing to sign up for the game, id say thats freedom
early draw offers is sorta backing out on that commitment, imo if u sign up on it, respect the game enough to play it properly how its meant to be
obv everyone has their own opinions, thats just wha t i think
crystal marsh
So in conclusion draw offers are alright in such scenarios but early draw offers will definitely kill the game is what y’all are saying right?
grizzled carbon
No
tulip sequoia
No
dull mesa
So in conclusion draw offers are alright in such scenarios but early draw offers...
Nope, just no draw offers, if the game is gonna be a draw, then it'll end up in a draw naturally, no drawing by agreement
bold zephyr
If a game is gonna be a draw anyway then let the players offer one
crystal marsh
I mean it might save time tbh
tall burrow
Nope, just no draw offers, if the game is gonna be a draw, then it'll end up in ...
So we are going to remove centuries of draws
And it shouldn’t even be our job to vote, it should be titled players
dull mesa
If a game is gonna be a draw anyway then let the players offer one
But u can never know for sure, there's always a possibility of a blunder or miscalculation
bold zephyr
But u can never know for sure, there's always a possibility of a blunder or misc...
But you don't care about that when you offer a draw and just assume your opponent won't mess up (similar to resignation)
dull mesa
resignation is when u can clearly see u r losing, but draw is when u see that its equal
theres a difference between blundering a win and blundering a draw, atleast at the higher level
crystal marsh
But in drawing you also asume your opponent will play till the draw so i still don’t see the point
violet bridge
draw offers can just allow for a quicker way to draw a game, such as a rook vs rook endgame. noone wants to sit through a bunch of checking because that would be boring and take too much time
or a king vs a/h pawn
wind thunder
no
bold zephyr
resignation is when u can clearly see u r losing, but draw is when u see that it...
What is the difference? It is a blunder in both cases
dull mesa
What is the difference? It is a blunder in both cases
u r less likely to blunder a win than a draw
bold zephyr
What
crystal marsh
How is that possible
dull mesa
well if u hv a winning advantage, its probably some sort of material imbalance or weakness or something, u r less likely to miss that than just a balanced equal game
rain token
I definitely do not think that draw offers should be banned, especially in high-level play. Most players I've played against don't even accept them anyway and I think they are good if you trust your opponent and yourself to not blunder.
hybrid remnant
Before move 15 ban
hallow dock
Bruh you can just ignore it
earnest cedar
- No. Why? It exists irl too.
stiff cedar
grizzled carbon
Fo real
fading steppe
Naw dude
grand current
bruh this question is unnecessary bruh
grizzled carbon
Fr
supple lance
No.
grizzled carbon
We're not high level pros unfortunately
crystal marsh
Noo
rain token
I definitely do not think that draw offers should be banned, especially in high-...
Plus, the argument that banning draw offers would make some high level games more interesting is a bit questionable since you can just repeat moves. After all, a draw by agreement isn't much different than repeating moves in the early part of the game.
vocal crag
well there are some tourneys that say that the draw agreement is only available after 30/40 moves
hollow shore
dull mesa
Not boring, but one sided
nimble cedar
no
undone trellis
No, they have that in normal chess, so I don't see the problem with it in online chess.
bold zephyr
No, they have that in normal chess, so I don't see the problem with it in online...
The question is about chess in general and not just online chess
dull mesa
420 messages 😂
lost frost
delicate karma
If the position is a draw... prove it
dull mesa
😂
uneven panther
bwomp
haughty cedar
goolgoolgoogle
mystic venture
NO
hushed pumice
TO be fair, while draw offers can be spammed, users can just simply ignore and block then. And if the position is actually a draw then both players can like, agree to it and not just run out of time
haughty cedar
TO be fair, while draw offers can be spammed, users can just simply ignore and b...
Big brain words
hidden creek
This is the worst poll ever.. I had an OTB game that lasted 4 hours, and could've lasted only 2 if my opponent had accepted the draw. Imagine if there was no option to make it 2 hours, and we HAD to play the whole thing out
lucid herald
No
river fractal
Ain't no way
crimson pebble
Nop
ashen bone
Idk
ebon pollen
Hell no
hidden creek
draw offers should be banned
its just laziness, it isnt exactly what id say goes...
So what if it's a dead draw and you literally don't wanna play it on any longer? You don't have the energy to count 50 moves in an otb game, so why should you not be allowed to draw?
hidden creek
draw offers should be banned
its just laziness, it isnt exactly what id say goes...
Also there's no draw offers in other sports because there are no draws and there's never a situation in sports where a game is literally just a dead draw
Lemme ask you this, is there a single sport that you've watched where you've said "Yep, this is gonna be a draw"?
dull mesa
So what if it's a dead draw and you literally don't wanna play it on any longer?...
Managing exhaustion and being resilient is part of the game, so if u can't do that, that's the player's problem
And u literally hv score sheet to count the 50 moves for u
dull mesa
Also there's no draw offers in other sports because there are no draws and there...
Anything with point systems can hv a draw if u don't hv some sort of tiebreaks built in
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Managing exhaustion and being resilient is part of the game, so if u can't do th...
I can tell you haven't played a 4 hour game that could've ended 2 hours earlier if the opponent hadn't declined the draw offer
(Actually happened to me)
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Anything with point systems can hv a draw if u don't hv some sort of tiebreaks b...
Yes, it can have a draw, but is there ever a time where people would reasonably think the game would be a draw???
In chess, there are times where the game is literally guaranteed to be a draw
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(Actually happened to me)
Then nothing u can do lol, doesn't matter whether draw offer exists or not, it's upto the opponent, if it's truly a draw, there's prilly a repetition, if u both want it
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Yes, it can have a draw, but is there ever a time where people would reasonably ...
Would depend upon which side is someone rooting for tbh 😂
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In chess, there are times where the game is literally guaranteed to be a draw
If it's guaranteed, then prove it 😂as simple as that, technically speaking that guarantee only exists if it ends in a draw, if u mess that up, then it wasn't guaranteed
U can argue all about being exhaustion, but that's not exactly the point of this, it's about not avoiding to play out the game to the place where no one ever had chance to win, aka stalemate or insufficient material
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Then nothing u can do lol, doesn't matter whether draw offer exists or not, it's...
K so you're saying the opponent has the right to choose?? Also it ended up being draw by insufficient material after a grueling endgame
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Would depend upon which side is someone rooting for tbh 😂
Ehh..
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If it's guaranteed, then prove it 😂as simple as that, technically speaking that...
If two people have 8 pawns that are all locked together and only kings, it's guaranteed. No legal move can win
There was a time in an otb game where I drew a game where we both had 1 rook and pawns on the same side of the board (not pushed yet and kings on the same side) 90% of the time that's gonna be a draw, so we just drew it and called it a day. It was the last round anyways, so we both wanted to go home
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If two people have 8 pawns that are all locked together and only kings, it's gua...
then its ur fault for getting into that position (both), and itll hv easy repetition anyway
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K so you're saying the opponent has the right to choose?? Also it ended up being...
ye the endgames r sorta the point of chess if players r equally matched in the moment
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then its ur fault for getting into that position (both), and itll hv easy repeti...
Sometimes there's no repetition
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ye the endgames r sorta the point of chess if players r equally matched in the m...
What if the endgame is a dead draw??
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What if the endgame is a dead draw??
then prove it
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then prove it
Real position I had in an otb game
I drew in this position
How do you win this?
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u push pawns and bring ur king in and wait for ur opponent to give u chances, thats basically what chess is,
of all the possible drawn endgames, u chose one with 10 pieces on board to say that u need draw offer?
not trying to play that position is just unwillingness to try to grind out the endgame, thats a player's problem
i can see that this is just gonna go in a loop now, just read what ive written bfore lol
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u push pawns and bring ur king in and wait for ur opponent to give u chances, th...
What in the world does "give you chances" mean?? Nobody does that at the 2000 level
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ye u r just being lazy 😂
i literally saw knight+rook vs rook endgame being played to win in world cup, if GMs can play that out, then its ur opinion if u dont wanna play, its not objective, its ur subjective opinion if u think people cant blunder, u r basically saying that anyone shouldnt play chess except opening theory after 2k if ur opponent wont blunder an equal position
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i can see that this is just gonna go in a loop now, just read what ive written b...
👆 ^^^
u clearly dont wanna try to understand another perspective and just wanna stick to ur opinion and argue about it pointlessly, so i wont bother replying to next one
u literally dug this up from june 😂