Feedback Requests

[karmic plinth]

Im only using one, should I multiply it if using midi? Im genuinely trying to learn this ha

[vale vapor]

You should be using a drum library that has round robin

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mpW3u8F55xg

[wraith hare]

i was trying to remake AA the revolution and ssd4 has too few samples of sidestick

[karmic plinth]

Oh I have no idea, ill have to look into it, it came with my interface

[vale vapor]

Oop lol it probably isn't a good kit

[wraith hare]

addictive drums?

[storm furnace]

Does this song sound too overproduced

[vale vapor]

it sounds pretty raw actually lol

the kick is nearly completely inaudible, kick needs to be much much louder

snare sounds pretty raw and needs more body overall

guitars and bass sound pretty good

[formal hedge]

Year and a half

Literally just got good at it

[storm furnace]

I kinda wanted the snare to sound like earlier Gojira where it’s kinda just like a sudden crack. The kicks are valid and I’ll probably raise the volume on them a little

I have one and a half songs left to track on the album which is cool

Vocals still need to be done for the majority of them

At the end of the day my priority for songs are to be riff first and have groove

[karmic plinth]

Yeah thats the one

[wraith hare]

Eh didn't use them much

Actually I used them when I was only starting to make metal

[karmic plinth]

Yeah, recording wise I started "recording" like end of 2023, but only really started to lock in this year so its the only drum vst i have plus its free ha

[wraith hare]

i was making stuff since i was 7 but got into metal when i was 11

[karmic plinth]

Ah yeah nice, I've been playing metal since I was like 12, but only just recently had the means to record, so learning all of the things, and feedback on my stuff is welcomed so long as constructive

[karmic plinth]

So apparently the one im using does use Round Robin

[vale vapor]

ok good

[karmic plinth]

It just looks like i may need to play with some of the internal settings on the vst

[fringe geode]

@vale vapor @inland anchor

[vale vapor]

that is a very intersting snare

kick and toms may be clipping or saturated a bit too much?

Guitar tone, as usual, is on POINT

the mix overall is a tad dark i will say

great stuff tho

[fringe geode]

Possibly. I'll double check.

[fringe geode]

Dankies. It's a mix of the Mark IIC+ and Plini Amp 2.

Which is a Friedman BE100.

Also instead of using an SSL Channel EQ for the guitars to brighten them I used a free Pultec EQ from Ignite to do it. Gave the guitars a bit of extra sauce.

The bass might be making the mix darker than normal. I wanted a more organic sound rather than extremely controlled. So Im using Parallax for the low end, and Darkglass Ultimate for everything else.

[vale vapor]

Oooo

i gotta start using pultec stuff

i just use TDR Nova lol

[vale vapor]

i have no idea how parallax gets the low end to sound so buttery

sounds like subharmonics or something idk

[fringe geode]

I use the Pultec or SSL specifically for boosting. Pultec is great if u want some special sauce. Check out the PTeq-X from Ignite.

[fringe geode]

Yeah I think Parallax gets a lot of the subharmonics that'd u need another channel for. I turn off all the other stuff on it then take out Nova and LPF it, then slam the shit outta it with a limiter.

[vale vapor]

based

[fringe geode]

What do u usually do?

[vale vapor]

hmmm been trying a bunch of new stuff recently

as you know i'm the free plugin warrior, so i recently created this stack of BOD (the di driver) and a sansamp emulation called SoftAmp PSA

sounds pretty grindy

That i use for more mid-heavy bass tones, and if i need something modern, i use a neural amp model capture

[fringe geode]

aww man SoftAmp is gnarly af.

[vale vapor]

looove it

it sounds so good with BOD stacked on there and some corrective EQ

i actually end up playing around with it a lot, you can get some pretty sick combos rearranging BOD and SoftAmp in different orders, before or after EQ, etc

[fringe geode]

I gotta try that. I've never actually used a DI driver before.

[vale vapor]

i have no idea what it really means to be a di driver

but its fire

[fringe geode]

I've EQ a DI into a plugin before tho as an experiment.

Trick I picked up from Dan Braunstein (Spiritbox's producer).

[vale vapor]

dan the GOAT

[fringe geode]

Yeah that man is nutty.

[versed remnant]

doing a btw cover, vocal mix is unfinished and temporary for placeholder original vocals

bts*

ignoer that part before the end i have not figured out how i want to do instrumentals there

i know i want a guitar solo there

i turned down the guitars a bit and changes some eq things

[versed remnant]

on my production bs

first mix to hit 50 tracks

its a cover

christ

i don't even have a proper vocal mix ijust mixed in the placeholders

i turned up the rythyms cus i could not hear them

[vale vapor]

needs a lot more bass overall, kick is lacking a ton of bass, bass itself is too quiet

[vale vapor]

im hitting 80-90 for my average song haha

[wraith hare]

Howww

[vale vapor]

add more stuff

[wraith hare]

I mostly hit 25 tracks lol

Ah it's because I've been using chango fop kit without routing

35 then

[versed remnant]

yeah im not there yet

[versed remnant]

and i thought the same tbh

hearing bass is just difficult on my keyboard speaker

LMAO

[versed remnant]

i think the kick became too tubby there

[wraith hare]

whats khs tape stop

[vale vapor]

Exactly what it sounds like

[balmy forum]

move your toms closer to the center

its really disorentating

[karmic plinth]

Hows the snare on this one? I feel like I have it sitting in a good spot but I might be a little project blind

[balmy forum]

add more 200hz boost to the snare and more bass in the toms

[karmic plinth]

The 200hz is currently at +4db, so go higher?

[balmy forum]

hm now that im re listening to it its fine

i recomend you use a differnt sample

what type of tuning do you like

i might have a good one with round robin

[karmic plinth]

I have no idea when it comes to drums

[balmy forum]

lol

[karmic plinth]

I use the default one from Addictive drums 2

[balmy forum]

all good, you are way better than me already

(when i started)

[balmy forum]

what daw do you use?

[karmic plinth]

I have a vision and i have no idea how to make it, but im trying ha

[karmic plinth]

Cakewalk Sonar

At the time zi started recording it was the onyl full free DAW that wasnt a waste of time

I have Cubase LE, Ableton Live Lite and Protools lite all from Focusrite as I have the solo gen 3

[balmy forum]

i recomend using reaper

i think it would be a good idea to turn down your snare bottom or get a better sample, i can send you one if you'd like

[karmic plinth]

I have been looking into reaper, for the price too it seems pretty decent

But i can check out the snare settings

Sure if you have recs for other drums thats cool

[balmy forum]

Ml drums is good, SSD.5 both really good

[karmic plinth]

Alright, ill check them out. Thanks!

[balmy forum]

Also, are you multi routing? (do you have all parts on seperate tracks)

[karmic plinth]

Yeah, i map it out on one then seperate it out over different tracks then apply the eq etc

[balmy forum]

ok good

[karmic plinth]

That was something I only recently learnt

But the song I posted the other day looks like this

[balmy forum]

cake walk is weird

it looks like if ableton had a baby with cubase and then had an affair with reaper

[karmic plinth]

I guess that's one way to describe it haha but i find it easy to use and good for beginners

[formal hedge]

You can use Reaper for free for as long as you want, but if you start making money off something you made off the software, they'll ask you to pay. But given it's only 60$, I'd say it's worth it

[formal hedge]

Oh wow, I haven't heard about that DAW in forever

[balmy forum]

Just finished this

[formal hedge]

Goated song

[vale vapor]

I hardpan my toms heheheheheh

Or like almost

[finite finch]

i created my own irs and tested one of them in this hardcore riff sketch

its pretty simple groove tbh

[vale vapor]

snare is kinda boxy, kick could come up a bit

[vale vapor]

could be a bit louder in general, although its quite ringy

i'd eq out some of that ring and compress the snare more

[inland anchor]

Sickk

i should write something too

[fringe geode]

@inland anchor This is a slightly better balanced version.

[inland anchor]

@fringe geode

[fringe geode]

Damn that's sick.

[eager sphinx]

just riffin'

[inland anchor]

abusing those zeroes lol

https://tenor.com/view/metalcore-asking-alexandria-breakdown-metal-gif-794654536342808050

time to add bass

[wraith hare]

is it clipping or just drums?

nice stuff btw

[fringe geode]

It's just the drums.

I made sure they weren't clipping.

[wraith hare]

hm

[fringe geode]

On my end they sound just fine.

[wraith hare]

to me they kinda sound like they're clipping but idk

[fringe geode]

Strange.

[inland anchor]

yeah with bass its definitely more fun

[finite finch]

@vale vapor

[vale vapor]

Sounds fine

Clip is too short to really gauge

[finite finch]

Yeah it was a short riff sketch lol

Could repeat it 2 bars more maybe

[finite finch]

Electronicore?

[wraith hare]

obviously

[tender oak]

Reminds me of the year 2010 in the best way 🥹

[wraith hare]

changocore goes brrrrr

[tender oak]

Makes me wanna Ask Alexandria if she's ever Seen Stars while under Attack Attack

[karmic plinth]

I realised after mixing it that I think i had my interface settings messed up and may need to rerecord parts

[wraith hare]

if she was once possibly maybe perhaps a murder mitten while she can't check MySpace when she gets there

[tender oak]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

Also mix sounds good my guy, felt good in my trash speakers, and in my good headphones. Snare sound massive. All the drums do. Guitar tone straight outta Rise / Sumerian catalogue circa 2010s which is a plus for me. MAYBE take a little off the high end as its a little airy in my headphones.

[wraith hare]

ty

welp those are chango's fop drums

they will obviously sound good

[tender oak]

Of course. Massive as fuck

[inland anchor]

Added intro and a new part and made the drums a little bit more quiet

[wraith hare]

what are you using for bass

[inland anchor]

Oh
That's not instrumental version lol

One sec

[wraith hare]

lol

[wraith hare]

djinnbass?

[inland anchor]

I meant to send this one

[inland anchor]

Yup

Or my own bass + dark glass

Depends on how I feel about the particular song

[wraith hare]

personally it's too clanky to me tbh

[inland anchor]

I tried others too but they sound even worse to me

Like Loki
Nocturnal bass and other stuff

[wraith hare]

i like using eurobass with clean preset, drive at -6 and tone at -10 iirc

other basses sound too clanky

[inland anchor]

I usually use my own bass but I was just too lazy to record it today ngl

[wraith hare]

what bass do you have

[inland anchor]

6 string HB

[wraith hare]

i want to get a bass but have no money

i told that already but i had aria bass once but it didn't work

[inland anchor]

I want to sell bass and guitar but no one buys

[wraith hare]

why

[inland anchor]

Don't really play anymore

[wraith hare]

dang

[inland anchor]

Just rarely like today

I may buy a new guitar but don't really need bass

But like
I can't sell those so I'm not getting nothing

[wraith hare]

what guirat do you want to get

guitar

[inland anchor]

Some cheap ass 8 string

G4M one probably

[wraith hare]

i wanted to get an hb r-458 but meh

[inland anchor]

The first one

[inland anchor]

I was thinking between baritone and 8 string but 8 string would be better

Tune it to drop E and it has everything I ever need

Lows for djent highs for lead and dissonance

God bless Drop E

[vale vapor]

drop c for life

[runic adder]

Drop C1 for life

[balmy forum]

drop D 🤓

[inland anchor]

Drop E or Drop A

or A standard

[inland anchor]

this one is A standard

[formal hedge]

Drop C and B, always

[balmy forum]

EADGDG trust

[formal hedge]

Isn't that just E Standard with a few tweaks

[balmy forum]

yes but its pretty

i used it in this song

exuse the mix it was ages ago

DACGCE is also cool

[vale vapor]

Been recently liking A# alot

But C is the best still

[balmy forum]

@vale vapor feedback pls

[vale vapor]

more interesting mix than the original

are vocals printed?

[balmy forum]

what does that mean?

[vale vapor]

in the stems, are the vocals raw or did they only include vocals with fx printed on them

[balmy forum]

raw

[vale vapor]

personally i like a bit less saturation so if i were you id turn down the saturation

but sounds pretty good

[balmy forum]

yeah i dont really like the original

[karmic plinth]

Oh you can? I thought it was only the trial then you had to pay to keep going?

[balmy forum]

its meant to be like that

but it issnt

[formal hedge]

Nope, I and many others have been using far past that

[balmy forum]

im up to 1900 days

[karmic plinth]

Oh nice, ill definitely check it out then

I tried using the Cubase LE but it just kept crashing and Ableton and Protools lites i just dont know, but Ive seen reaper and seems pretty sinilar to Cakewalk so it'll make my transition easier

[runic adder]

I clocked 2k hours before buying reaper

[formal hedge]

This is genuinely TOO heavy, I've reached a point of no return

[vale vapor]

😭bro

Brousin

[formal hedge]

New word just dropped /j

[vale vapor]

Twousin

[balmy forum]

you remind me of my grandmothers big toe

[runic adder]

Not enough cowbell

Poser

[formal hedge]

Bro has a fever /ref

[runic adder]

Bro is lacking in the cowbell department

[formal hedge]

My drum library doesn'rt have one

[runic adder]

Then use a sample

[formal hedge]

alright then, send me one

[runic adder]

Yeah when I get back to my pc I got you

I use it as a metronome lol

[balmy forum]

guitars have no clarity, gain is too hiugh, lacking high end bite, too much low end.

kick drum is ducking the guitar too much, snare is too loud, cymbals are being ducked too much and need a scoop at 5k, kick has too much 150-240hz, snare is lacking snare bottom, bass sounds di

[formal hedge]

"gain is too high"
That's kinda the point, I was trying to make it sound like a particular live band I saw which had a really wacked out guitar tone

[balmy forum]

bro thats not what the band is doing\

no band has that guitar tone, not even slam

turn your gain down to 5 max and add a low mixed fuzz

[karmic plinth]

Bruh, my headphones can not handle this haha

[runic adder]

gain at 5? naaaaaaaaaah

[balmy forum]

use an overdrive or ts

you just loose all clarity past that point

[formal hedge]

Already using the metal zone and ts in Archetype Nolly

[balmy forum]

bro

there is no metal zone or tube screamer in nolly

[runic adder]

zuul + nameless gain 1 at 10 and gain 2 at 6 lol

no wait grind was the one

[formal hedge]

There literally is, green od and orange od

[runic adder]

dammit now I gotta look at my chain again

[balmy forum]

namless is a little different

[runic adder]

my gain is at 16 homie

[formal hedge]

Holy shit

That is a messy tone

[balmy forum]

the best settings ive found is,

the fuzz (modern music solutions), zuul, gain 1 at 6, gain 2 at 4

[formal hedge]

MMS has a fuzz?

[balmy forum]

yep

[formal hedge]

Is it free?

[balmy forum]

its quite good, just make sure you use the mix knob

[balmy forum]

ye

[formal hedge]

Nice, gonna pick that one up

[runic adder]

not really

[balmy forum]

yeah that has almoast no note definition

[runic adder]

grind at 1 oclock, mvc at 6, gain 1 at 10, gain 2 at 6

[runic adder]

it has enough

[balmy forum]

this fortin namless withg the settings i just said

[formal hedge]

Yeah I'd consider that messy but it sounds alright

[balmy forum]

.

fuzz activates at 0:53

[formal hedge]

I guess one could say I fixed it but the difference is incredibly minor @balmy forum

[balmy forum]

absolulty not

can you send me the guitar soloed

[balmy forum]

turn the gain down even more

[formal hedge]

It's at 5

[balmy forum]

put an eq before the amp scooping 150hz and remove the od pedals

[formal hedge]

I think you're missing the point

It's not supposed to be perfect It's supposed to be super distorted and heavy

[balmy forum]

im not missing the point, i know you like distorted but thats just noise

[balmy forum]

this has more clarity than yours

[runic adder]

im an example 😭

[formal hedge]

I mean technically it does but this is for a completely different style

[runic adder]

i mean I compensate p hard with the bass anyway so idc really

[formal hedge]

That's an ERRA cover, this is supposed to sound like Cultist

[balmy forum]

it doesnt matter what style you are going for, it still sounds like shit

[runic adder]

I used the erra riff cuz it's fun to play lol

this is a full mix with that tone

[balmy forum]

erra is the best

@formal hedge send me the DI and we can compare tones

[formal hedge]

Also, remove the MZ and TS? That is extremely questionable

[vale vapor]

We arguing about tones?

[balmy forum]

you are extremley questionable

[vale vapor]

The only correct tone is tube screamer at 0 drive, 100 tone, and 100 volume, into an amp with gain at 4.5

Peak note clarity with PEAK metallic chuggy sound

[formal hedge]

He thinks my KL/Cultist style tone is "just noise"

[runic adder]

holy metalcore

[vale vapor]

Drive setting varies w the amp tho

Some amps are a bit hotter

[vale vapor]

High drive tones are so mid

[balmy forum]

bro.

[vale vapor]

Just use a ts

[formal hedge]

I am

A couple others pedals as well though

[vale vapor]

Kinda unrelated but i don't like how any other pedal sounds except TS

fuzz sounds awful unless you're naking stoner/sludge music

Or adjacent

[balmy forum]

it doesnt matter if you are using a ts if you are just fucking it up with a "metal zone"

[runic adder]

speaking of fuzz tones hows this

[balmy forum]

send the di

[runic adder]

god I did this one so long ago

[formal hedge]

Working on it

[vale vapor]

You need some kind of denoiser cause that interference hiss is baadddd

[balmy forum]

amazing song

best on the album imo

[runic adder]

100% agree

[balmy forum]

good tone

[runic adder]

bet

the fuzz I used was nameless's hexdrive lol

[balmy forum]

drums are a bit quiet and weak

[runic adder]

fair, i sucked at doing drums back then lol

[balmy forum]

is that even a fuzz lol

[runic adder]

it gets fuzzy when you turn up the drive

it's really nice for it imo

[balmy forum]

1:53 maybe add a delay to the tremelo part

[formal hedge]

make sure you have them transposed down an octave @balmy forum

[balmy forum]

bro tune ur guitar

[formal hedge]

I tuned it right before recording this 💀

[balmy forum]

also dont octave drop chords its just messy

[vale vapor]

Sounds like too thin string guage

Gauge

If they're bouncing out of tune that quick

I cannot type today

[formal hedge]

Probably, this is Drop A and I didn't have specialized strings for it

[vale vapor]

😭

[runic adder]

lowk I'd send these in mono instead of panned but hey you do you gwang

[vale vapor]

Just play in drop D and pitch it

[balmy forum]

also you should work on ur timing

[formal hedge]

I prefer the sound of real tuning on recording

[vale vapor]

You can't tell unless you have a bad pitch shifter 😭

[runic adder]

i prefer the sound of in tune guitar...

[vale vapor]

All pitch shifters that aren't terrible you won't be able to tell the difference

[runic adder]

if they bounce that hard, play a little softer to compensate

[vale vapor]

Yee

[balmy forum]

also dude you have nolly

[vale vapor]

Or adjust your picking technique

[runic adder]

on this my C string fucking bounces like shit so I did my best to play it softer

[formal hedge]

It's already distorting to hell and back anyways so you won't be able to tell

[balmy forum]

nural dsp shifters are amazing

[balmy forum]

you can

[vale vapor]

You can tho

[balmy forum]

why would you want that

[vale vapor]

Just pitch shift it manually via the media item

clearest way to pitch imo

Zero latency too

[formal hedge]

All's well and good until you can't go under 12 semitones

[balmy forum]

you shouldnt need too

[formal hedge]

Based on Xenon's advice I'd have to go -15 for this riff + octave down

[balmy forum]

or just

dont

drop A is more than low enough\

https://open.spotify.com/track/6PXYOVPBzO3xojFhQAvmde?si=47925be4f9ae4267 notice how dialed and controlled this is

compare that to your tone

[vale vapor]

Or just use drop C and write cool music

😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

[runic adder]

holy metalcore

[balmy forum]

exactly

[vale vapor]

Daily reminder that tuning does not equal heaviness tho

[runic adder]

drop C1 :D

[vale vapor]

You can make heavy music in any tuning, its about the writing

[balmy forum]

ey free level up

[runic adder]

100%, i know blessthefall songs heavier than some thall songs I know

[balmy forum]

bless the fall is so cool

[vale vapor]

Real bro

[balmy forum]

i ripped off hey baby so hard

[formal hedge]

The second I use something other than drop C... /j

[vale vapor]

I know mathcore bands that play in drop D that are heavier than most deathcore

[runic adder]

one of the first things I recorded upon moving into my uni dorm was a cover of hollow bodies

[vale vapor]

Based

[runic adder]

I had forgotten my picks at home so I used a large keytag on my key chain as a pick lmfao

[vale vapor]

LOL

[balmy forum]

loll

[runic adder]

I only did the intro tho because I got busy, maybe now that I have time I'll do a full cover...

[balmy forum]

i used to use lego bricks

[vale vapor]

Bro what

[runic adder]

here it is

[runic adder]

type shit

[vale vapor]

I have a pick that's made of a credit card, made by one of those pick cutters

[formal hedge]

Dude Drew Fulk was doing the exact same things as I was on that tone

Fuzz-TS-5150

[runic adder]

back from 2023 holy shit

[balmy forum]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3fHEfRMc4AbKCENtLnbkse?si=c55c2ad2f3284297 obv not deathcore heavy but the intro part is in F2

the first 5 seconds

lol

[balmy forum]

yes but his gain wassnt at 10

[vale vapor]

10 gain???? LOL

[formal hedge]

I already turned it down bro

[balmy forum]

yes but you still have 2 OD pedals

[formal hedge]

That should be fine, certainly sounds better than just TS in this instance

[balmy forum]

but it doesnt

tune your guitar and fix your interface noise

this is what you should be going for

[formal hedge]

The MZ makes it less noisy

[balmy forum]

by destroying all clarity

[formal hedge]

Mine sounds miles better than this one, sorry man

[balmy forum]

oh forgot to drop it

[formal hedge]

Yeah but do you want it to sound like the amp is burning as we listen?

[balmy forum]

its better than it sounding like my grandmas farts

lets compare

[formal hedge]

Which this definitely doesn't

[balmy forum]

1st one is mine

2nd is yours

you can hear mine

[formal hedge]

Coughing Baby vs Hydrogen Bomb (respectively)

[balmy forum]

yours is innaudible

[balmy forum]

hydrogen Bomb is bad

[formal hedge]

Have you never heard this saying bruh

[balmy forum]

just turn gain down man

[formal hedge]

Having it at 3 makes no audible difference

Like absolutely none

[balmy forum]

@vale vapor starting to see some simmilarities here lol

[formal hedge]

Idk who this is man

[balmy forum]

because you stil have 3 fucking distortion pedals on

[balmy forum]

me 1 year

[formal hedge]

...which is the only way it sounds good

[balmy forum]

ago

[balmy forum]

but it doesnt

[formal hedge]

It has absolutely no clarity without MZ, turning off TS would be dumb, and you're the one who told me to put on fuzz

I don't see the issue man

[balmy forum]

turn off all pedals, execpt fuzz

[formal hedge]

Sounds triple fried without the other ODs

[balmy forum]

just send it

[formal hedge]

it's painful to listen to

[balmy forum]

what are the fuzz settings

[formal hedge]

Same as I would use any other dist, drive 0, level 10

[balmy forum]

.

mix

[formal hedge]

30

[balmy forum]

try level at 50, drive at 3, mix at 4

[formal hedge]

Still ass

[vale vapor]

Maturity growth 🦾

[balmy forum]

what happens when you listen to xenon

[inland zinc]

I can't see all the context of this cause discord sucks so idk how bro's drums sounded

But holy

[balmy forum]

hold on ill send

its hilarious tho

@inland zinc

1st was mine 2nd was xenons

[inland zinc]

Oh "deleted user" is you LOL

[inland zinc]

Wowie

[balmy forum]

@vale vapor @runic adder which one is ur fav

[balmy forum]

Made using only reaper stock eq and clipping

[runic adder]

The first one

[fathom jewel]

my downward progression in mixing skills is 🫃

gotta recheck my levels and make sure nothing is clipping again

[fathom jewel]

is that snowblood's chorus riff DI with your tone lol

[vale vapor]

different uses for each ngl

[vale vapor]

i dont understand how your kick sounds oversaturated

you said nothing is being saturated right?

[inland anchor]

I love how the room drums sound like fuckin shooting

[runic adder]

sounds like my neighborhood during the summer

[inland anchor]

Lmao

[inland anchor]

yeah neighbors would love to hear that

[fathom jewel]

Yup, nothing but eq on it, might be because I have the ml drums kick and a quieter mt power kick playing at the same time, and both of them are going to a reverb send 💀

The kicks got the natural clipping type of saturation, they don’t clip internally, together they create a saturated mess

I should really mute the mt power kick, and only use the ml kick to fix this

[formal hedge]

Or just use SSD5

[vale vapor]

or use slate to make the fop kit from scratch

@formal hedge @wraith hare @fathom jewel

check this out

Not the fop kit

entirely slate, SSD4

with FREE PLUGINS ONLY besides a single maxxbass lol

also i used a ProQ 3 to take some weird side information out of the sides, but let me just use ReEQ to do it instead, so i can say it's all free plugins besides SSD4 and a single maxxbass

yep fixed it

now this entire slate 4 fop recreation is 100% free plugins except the drums themselves and a single instance of maxxbass

[wraith hare]

based

[vale vapor]

i forgot theres one instance of multidynamics

but i will eventually swap that with something else

ill have to play around with it more

[fathom jewel]

Whats the poise for? Extra sample

Rooms probably?

[vale vapor]

Extra snare sample

crucial to the fop snare

it was a sample passed around on chango back in the day called the bubinga hits

as far as i know, some random guy uploaded it

[versed remnant]

this will be my weirdest creation

i need to take out some of that ring from my snare bus

[mild sphinx]

Tinkering with my guitar tone

[wraith hare]

xenon you gotta start making and selling your own drum packs

[vale vapor]

Yeah I'm gonna

Once i have a drum room to record in

With drums to record

[wraith hare]

With drums to record and sample packs to sell

(sleepifn with soremns reference)

I still can't understand how to mix real drums lol

[fathom jewel]

how is your bleed level and route setup? no cymbals in room channel?

[balmy forum]

i couldnt be fucked recording anything lol

@vale vapor where do i get ssd4

i wanna try it out

[fathom jewel]

you might have to sail the ships, find the one piece

Unless there is a more ethical way, like giving big man Steven some of your wallet paper

[vale vapor]

Kick -> kick
Kick room -> room
Snare close -> snare
Snare oh -> oh
Snare room -> snare room
Toms - toms
Oh -> oh

[vale vapor]

@fathom jewel basically just a normal routing setup, except the snare room goes into its own channel

[karmic plinth]

I played around with the EQ on this and I think its alright but what do you think I should fix up here?
The image is of my EQ on the master bus - Guitars, Kick and snare are all Eq'd too but more for the overall Mix

[vale vapor]

i would say instead of eqing the master, you should focus on making moves in the mix to achieve that same final product

Save master EQ adjustments for verrrryy minor things

no more than like 1 or 2db adjustments

[karmic plinth]

So don't have effects on the Master until each track is where I want it to be?

[vale vapor]

yess

You can have effects on the master, but they shouldn't be fixing a bad mix

they should be making your already good mix even better

[karmic plinth]

At the moment, on the master I have this EQ, and Ozone 12 Elements

[formal hedge]

EQ on the master is something I pretty much never do

[vale vapor]

I almost always EQ the master, but only a very small bit

sometimes only a low cut below 20hz and that's it

[karmic plinth]

Right right, Okay, Like even without the stuff on the master, I'm pretty happy with how its sounding, its just more the Volume I think its whats off

[vale vapor]

Ok yeah

I would suggest putting each track in a folder (bus) and then you can use light compression and volume to bring up each bus to the volume you want

Just make sure nothing is cipping

[vale vapor]

Put all drum tracks in a folder called "Drums", all guitar in a folder called "Guitar" etc

that way you can make more broad adjustments

[karmic plinth]

YOu know what, Thats what I didn't do with this one... My other song I posted ages ago, I did each instrument group to its own bus - Rythm to Rythm,,lead to lead etc

[wraith hare]

same but I also cut fizzy high frequencies

[vale vapor]

i dont really do that cause sometimes it's useful for synths

and risers

[wraith hare]

tbh soothe2 helps me with synths very much

[karmic plinth]

Wopuld you double track clean guitars in a heavier song or just solo track and use mono?

@vale vapor Appreciate the help with my mixes🙏

[karmic plinth]

Hmm okay thank you! I';ll try not doing that with this one

[vale vapor]

im a soothe hater

LOL

[vale vapor]

Always always always double track rhythm parts

if its a lead, you can leave mono, or double if you want it to be wider/fuller

[wraith hare]

Why

[vale vapor]

but for rhythm in rock and metal music, double track hardpan L and R is the rule

i hate how soothe sounds

ESPECIALLY on vocals

[wraith hare]

Oh yea lol

I know what you're talking about lmao

[wraith hare]

Never liked how lead sounds in mono tbh

I always double track the leads as well

[vale vapor]

It works sometimes

especially for solos

it really depends how im feeling that day

lol

and how the mix of the song is

[wraith hare]

Idk I just double track it

Well I almost never recorded solos lol

[karmic plinth]

I knew this with my like heavier parts, it was just more a clean guitar I've read conflicting things about clean guitar, but I'm happy to double track if it's going to sound better

[vale vapor]

double track in general is just better

the only time you'd want mono is if you intentionally want a narrow sound

Like maybe a lofi-build up before a breakdown, where there's only one mono guitar

then in the breakdown it goes back to full double track

[wraith hare]

I remember using the same recorded track on two panned tracks lol that was so bad

[vale vapor]

😭

classic mistake

[wraith hare]

I was a newcomer back then lol

And I also used my motherboard's audio card to record guitars at first

[vale vapor]

Lol i did worse

I used to quad track every song, with one pair at 70% LR and the other at 30% LR

so four tracks total

[wraith hare]

It was really whiny and noisy but with eq and pro-mb I managed to make a listenable sound out of it

[vale vapor]

L70 L30, R30 R70

[wraith hare]

Terrifying

Why did you use those numbers exactly

What did you think was gonna happen

[vale vapor]

no clue

thought it would make the guitars bigger

in reality i just needed a better clearer tone

[wraith hare]

Add up to 100 lol

[vale vapor]

LOL

[wraith hare]

Absent mind just filled with static

Lol

Dang gotta give fighting with flesh another listen

[karmic plinth]

Okay yeah just did this and I think this sound SO much better

And would you EQ the Drum bus or leave as is because I've already EQ the Kick and snare?

Alright this is with the bus changes - Hows it now?

[vale vapor]

sounds pretty good, drums overall could use more compression and volume

it's also pretty quiet, and could be brighter overall

[karmic plinth]

Yeah i can't quite figure out why its SO quiet when I export it but in the mix its loud AF, but I'll play with the compression a little

[vale vapor]

Just make sure the master channel is reading 0db

[karmic plinth]

This is what this one currently is
How would I counter this? Gain staging?

[vale vapor]

What daw is this?

[karmic plinth]

Cakewalk sonar for this project

[vale vapor]

It looks like your master fader is turned down like -3db, that may be the problem

make sure you leave your master fader at 0 (aka unity)

[karmic plinth]

I've just downloaded Reaper but Since I have like 5 projects in Cakewalk I'm actively working on i don't want to transfer it lol

[vale vapor]

oh haha

[karmic plinth]

Okay, so this is at 0db

and 0db Gain

[vale vapor]

What's the red number on the right mean?

is that RMS?

or is the master clipping

[karmic plinth]

I don't actualy know what the red number mean,

It means its clipping

[vale vapor]

Ahhhh be sure to put a limiter on your master

Something transparent (this means you can't really hear it affecting the sound too much)

Just make sure it stops the final master from clipping

Usually the stock limiter that comes with your daw will do just fine

[karmic plinth]

Okay, purely because I don't know what that is, what are examples of a limiter?

I have a Focusrite Iunterface so ALOT of my plugins are from that + some Native Instrument stuff thats free

[vale vapor]

A limiter does exactly what it sounds like, it limits the sound

prevents the audio from reaching a certain point

[karmic plinth]

OH I figured that, but I mean like some of the plug ins I should be looking at to see if I have any ha

[vale vapor]

This is very useful for keeping your master from clipping

[vale vapor]

ohhh

Looks like cakewalk comes with a plugin called Adaptive Limiter

[karmic plinth]

I found one that apparently comes with it called Boost 11

[vale vapor]

Oh nice

yeah looks like that would work

Just make sure you aren't causing any distortion with it

Boost 11 is a very striped down peak limiter with only 2 settings. Google those 2 settings and learn what they do, then use your ears and the knowledge gained form learning those 2 settings to decide what settings they need to be at

Good advice

[karmic plinth]

Sounds good

So basically I want it to squash but not distort it?

[vale vapor]

the main goal is to prevent it from clipping, but doing a little squashing (compression) can sound good when it's done in moderation!

it all depends on the sound youre going for

[karmic plinth]

Totally fair, I guess a cleaner version of I killed the prom queens "Music for the recently deceased" sound if that makes sense haha

But now i know sort of what i "need" to add to each bus, I can work on it from there

I can;t tell if its me or not but I think theres like this odd "whooshing" sound when the kick hits

But when i turn the limiter off, it goes away

[vale vapor]

Yeah that's called ducking, it happens when the limiter is being pushed a bit too hard

I'd try less of the boost or input

Just let the limiter catch the clipping

[karmic plinth]

hmm okay, I had it on less than -2db for output , but apparently I put it all on 0 and its fine,

Thank you for your help!

I feel like this sound MUCH cleaner

[vale vapor]

Nice bro

Next thing i would worry about is getting a better sounding drum tone

i think the drums individually all need more compression

besides that, i think the guitar tone could do with less 200-300hz

[karmic plinth]

Yeah i'm working on the drums, I got the SDD5 free but tbh I don't like it so far, the Addictive Drums 2 I like the tone of better but I also appreciate that I haven't played with many and am stubborn

[karmic plinth]

On all tracks?

[vale vapor]

the guitars in general yes

[karmic plinth]

Alright, will give it a go

[balmy forum]

snare rrom can come up

maybe add some fast compressiom

[fathom jewel]

ok so I ditched free drums, used ssd4

[fathom jewel]

is there a way to adjust snare bottom bleed in room channels without affecting all snare faders at once, within ssd4?

when I tried to adjust snare bottom bleed into OH and rooms it moved the knobs for all snare faders automatically

[vale vapor]

Uhh

Idk

Just use a diff snare

[fathom jewel]

I was having superior drummer moment programming rimshots and regular hits separately because they didnt sound hard enough

should've stuck to ssd classic instead of blackbird

[vale vapor]

Idek what that is

I never use rimshots

They sound hollow to me

[round saffron]

Me when I strongly dislike something

[fathom jewel]

blackbird is one of the ssd4 expansions, and yeah most of the rimshot samples have a very imbalanced crack to body ratio, more of the stick sound comes through compared to the actual drum batter head

[fathom jewel]

2:03 is reggatony

[round saffron]

Yes indeed

[vale vapor]

Oh just use the classic vol 1 and 2

[wraith hare]

This

[vale vapor]

Kick 10 + snare 12 or 13a

Or snare 01a

Or all three together

The fop recreation is like 5-7 snares tuned to the same note

[runic adder]

I always use rimshots lol

[covert shard]

same

[vale vapor]

They sound like they have no body

No matter what snare i use

The fundamental is just gone

I just dislike how they sound in general

[covert shard]

backrooms edit for a darkwave-esque track. the movie is coming out soon and we need that free click bait

[hollow tulip]

sounds neat, i like it
i don't think i have anything especially helpful or constructive mixing or structure wise

decided to make a remix of this theme again but start from scratch with a new arrangement, with considerably more creative liberties
here's how it sounds so far. intro is very long, the fun part starts at 1:31

[vale vapor]

bass sounds floppy? not really sure why, low freqs almost sound like the vibrations are too far apart

i cant really explain it

guitar tone also needs low mids

somehow SOMETHING IS STILL CLIPPING

I feel so bad for saying it again

you have such a good ear for music

but almost everything you send clips even if it isnt clipping

i almost wanna say we should join a call and you should screenshare so i can see exactly what's going on

[runic adder]

Sometimes tasteful clipping in a song is good

https://youtu.be/WjfY74QSDNc?si=Q-2YidGPlVHo8TCR

I also just really like this song but hey

[vale vapor]

yes, i agree, but when the kick clips on every hit that's a problem

controlled clipping is different

[runic adder]

I lowk did not read the conversation

[vale vapor]

LMOOa

[runic adder]

I’m going on my own tangent here lol

[vale vapor]

LMAO

[wraith hare]

what do you think of clipping the snare

[vale vapor]

it just makes the fundamental sound weird and removes the transient

you can do it to an extent before it just removes the transient entirely

[wraith hare]

Eh i used it before

I'm fine with it honestly

[merry seal]

will rerecord the guitar bc its still a bit sloppy, and also change the bass segments on some parts but im happy how it turned out

[versed remnant]

ideas go brr

i don't have my snare layer on there so ignore the snare sounding like shit

i only have my one shot in there

here it is with the snare layered

turned up the rythyms a bit more

And low passed the snare sample

I only want the low end from it

Wait

I fcuekd it up

OKY THERE WE GO

i think

lowk took out too much body

ON ELAST ONE

[fringe geode]

@vale vapor @runic adder

Something I've been working on for a while.

[karmic plinth]

So after learning I had TOO many guitar tracks, I removed some of them and I actually think both of these songs sound alot better

what do you think of these takes?

I need to redo the cleans on "Crashing Down" and possibly the intro lead to just clean it up

[versed remnant]

mixtesting!

[tender oak]

One of my all time favorite Periphery songs. I'll check it out on my good cans when I'm home but sounds good on my phone mixwise.

Killed it cover wise

[ashen violet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOckQNzifa4 O_O

Need some feedback on the mix. Did a completely new style of metalcore; went for a much more larger-than-life style and thus had to dial back on the distortion. Went for a Marshall JCM800 low gain crunch tone instead.

[vale vapor]

Oh hey i remember you lol

[ashen violet]

Yea ._.

[vale vapor]

initial impressions:

• much better than the last mix i heard from you, lots of improvement overall
• drums are way too overprocessed, essentially everything needs to come way down
• guitar is fighting everything for volume and is extremely honky in the 1k-ish range
• vocals are nice and clear, good stuff there for the most part
• everything sounds like it's being smashed into a limiter and needs to be much quieter

Give yourself way more headroom

Guitar you say is low gain, but honestly it sounds like the gain is too high as well as it sounds too compressed

whatever post-amp processing you have on the guitar should come wayyy down

Try to treat any extra plugins as subtle things that add up over time. Don't do any crazy +6db eq moves, or crazy levels of compression on everything, slamming it into a limier

Give yourself like -5db of headroom, make sure no tracks are clipping, send it into the master with a lot less processing on everything

[vale vapor]

there's somethin weird going on with the drums, sounds like too much of 150 hz, very boomy

overall the mix sounds too dark and the vocals overpower everything now

[tidal stream]

So, i wrote a riff, but thing is...i cannot play it for the life of me. I had to speed this up to hear the way it's supposed to be heard. My question is...how do i get...faster. rn i can play it cleanly at 170 bpm, but can play it at 190 for a short amount of time

[vale vapor]

sounds a lot better than the first version, i still think the vocals are too loud and it sounds like the drums and guitar are being pushed very hard into a limiter

you can really make everything sound clearer without all the crazy processing

[halcyon holly]

Don't use AI in music production

[ashen violet]

???? There's no AI, I don't know what you mean.

[halcyon holly]

The vocals are pretty clearly generated in some sort of fashion

If not, your vocals need serious, serious humanisation work

[vale vapor]

They may be vocaloid

I've worked with this person before

[ashen violet]

Yea, it's something else. It's not AI generated per se.

[vale vapor]

they've used vocaloid in the past

[halcyon holly]

Oh dear

hire a vocalist @ashen violet

[vale vapor]

Yeahh

[ashen violet]

Costs too much. :<

[vale vapor]

Be a vocalist then

[halcyon holly]

Tough luck then

[ashen violet]

Lessons cost a helluva lot too.

[halcyon holly]

you don't need lessons

[vale vapor]

I'm entirely self taught

[halcyon holly]

i self taught myself screamed vocals bc i wanted vocals on my tracks

you can too

don't be lazy lol

[vale vapor]

Yep

All you need is youtube

[halcyon holly]

terrible, beginner, awful cringe vocals is still 100x better than this

[ashen violet]

Tried all that. Couldn't get it to work.

[halcyon holly]

because it'll actually be your work

lmao

what

you don't learn it overnight

it takes years and years of practice

[vale vapor]

"I tried learning and couldn't"

[halcyon holly]

but again, beginner vocals are still 100x better than generated vocals

[ashen violet]

Been trying it for about six years and still not making progress ;-;

[halcyon holly]

Doesn't matter

still better than using generated vocals

Doesn't matter how good you are / aren't

literally couldn't care less if your vocals sound absolutely cringe inducing, use your voice

[ashen violet]

._.

[halcyon holly]

Regardless the rest of the instrumental

sounds

like instruments that have been so heavily processed that they sound indistinguishable from their original acoustic properties

In other words, whatever you're doing, it's far too much

I'd love to know what some of the mix chains are for the drums ?

1000 instances of saturn or soemthign?

[ashen violet]

Just light saturation and a couple of compressors and that's it actually.

[halcyon holly]

can i hear the drums raw

with literally nothing on

[halcyon holly]

those sound so strange

what drum library are you using

I mean theres no way this has no distortion on it

[ashen violet]

Superior Drummer Death & Darkness

[halcyon holly]

Nah

these aren't raw lol

[ashen violet]

Yes, these are raw.

[halcyon holly]

No they're not

[ashen violet]

Yes they are.

[halcyon holly]

I have sdx death and darkness

1 sec

what preset are you using?

[ashen violet]

I bought a preset from somewhere I can't find it anymore.

[halcyon holly]

okay, and you've turned all the processing off on that clip?

Because those drums are HEAVILY compressed / distorted

[ashen violet]

The rest are just trim.

[halcyon holly]

On superior drummer 3, not your daw

for reference, here's what sd3 death sounds like raw

[halcyon holly]

now if you're going to tell me that these are raw something is going very wrong in your production workflow

[halcyon holly]

what the hell is that

why does your death and darkness sound like that

@vale vapor any idea?

are you using extra samples or something?

[vale vapor]

What the heck lol

Sounds like room mics turned off maybe?

[vale vapor]

This is very much not raw

[ashen violet]

"not raw"

Here's why it sounds different.

I had to get the kick drum from one half of the library to the other.

[vale vapor]

I'm not too familiar with that vst, is there a mixer inside the plugin?

If there is, how have you arranged the levels on it?

[ashen violet]

It's Superior Drummer.

[ashen violet]

Yes, there is a mixer in the plugin and everything is turned off.

Didn't touch any levels either.

Nothing.

Nada.

[vale vapor]

And you're routing everything to individual channels including room mics?

@halcyon holly genuinely have no clue why they sound so... Weird

[ashen violet]

I can't do that without going through a nightmare of routing hassles; Kontakt does it way better.

[vale vapor]

Wait so all your drums are going to a single channel in your daw?

[ashen violet]

mhm

And all I have for processing is just slight saturation a compressor and then Infected Mushroom Pusher that isn't doing ANY compression whatsoever and then a multiband to control the low end.

And in that clip I turned those off too.

Raw drum buss.

[vale vapor]

Oh😭😭😭😭

That's why it sounds weird

For pretty much all music, routing drums to individual channels is a must

You can't avoid it or work around it

Or else you'll just have tons of issues

[halcyon holly]

Bruh

[ashen violet]

Oh wait drums are hella loud now.

Oh mah gawd...

[wraith hare]

made a quick sketch here

@vale vapor i remember you saying about the snappiness of my snare, i think i sorted it out

wait maybe it's too loud now

idk

yea it's too loud now imo

[balmy forum]

how to pisss off every 2000s emo kid

[wraith hare]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-the-curse-spirit-halloween-gif-7542455889653738246

[formal hedge]

How is this supposed to piss someone off

It's just a peak song

[balmy forum]

Because I mixed it like cirvini

[turbid radish]

fishing for attention here

i gotta record the real guitar soon but i cant yet so its gonna sound unnatural

[vale vapor]

Guitars need to be way more muffled for that

Lol

Also the original flyleaf mix is pretty bad

[balmy forum]

Vocals sound like they were smashed with gain reduction to hard

[vale vapor]

The vocals sound great, they're the only good part of the mix

Besides the high hiss at like 16k (probably interference)

The guitar tone and drum tone is garbage

[balmy forum]

Really? I think they are Wayyyy over compressed

[vale vapor]

Yeah but it sounds good

LOL

Vocals sound amazing compressed like that

[balmy forum]

Not for me tbh

I also like the drum tone

Reminds me of a7x

[vale vapor]

it's all bottom snare mic

sounds bad

[storm furnace]

opinions

[storm furnace]

I’m gonna turn the mix on the pingy snare sample down and tune it up a little bit

[eager sphinx]

would this go hard in the taverns?
https://youtu.be/xlmqjcTsnps?si=L0OdT_umxnCH9OFM

[royal dock]

work in progress

[vale vapor]

drums are very quiet and need to cut through the mix more. Guitar tone is pretty good although it's very muddy. Needs some corrective EQ in the 50-200hz range

the drum patterns themselves also don't sound very natural, so i'd try to improve on your drum writing skills 👍

[idle shoal]

idk if this counts cuz i already released it but i would love feedback!

i did guitar and vox, drums are massive and modern, bass is djinn bass 2

modern and massive* 🤪

[verbal ivy]

My first attempt at deathcore vocals, any feedback would be appreciated!

[turbid radish]

just want an opinion or anything lol

how can i improve my guitars too?

these are midi and will be rerecorded however

[timber forum]

What snare sample is this 😂

[formal hedge]

SSD5

IMO the best free drum plug-in on the market

Some prefer ML Drums, but learning how to well process SSD5 is basically a secret weapon

[vale vapor]

SSD5 free is a great option

[timber forum]

I’m torn between rs monarch kit and mdl ultimate heavy drums

[vale vapor]

i dont think those are free

[timber forum]

I want a good ping snare sample too

I know that

Looking to get away from ggd

[vale vapor]

ahh

i just use a bunch of random free stuff i find online for my free kits

Its always a bunch of stuff put together

i call them frankenkits

[formal hedge]

I've heard some amazing mixes with Monarch, Ult. Heavy Drums is meh most of the time

[timber forum]

Yeah monarch sounds so good tbh

[vale vapor]

all drums here are from a defunct (taken off the store) drumforge kit except the snare

not sure what the legality of use is if the actual creators of it disowned the product by taking it down

[formal hedge]

I'm fine with sound of my midi drums right now given my major project will be using real drums

[vale vapor]

The snare is a random free snare i found on YOUTUBE of all places

i adore that snare

[timber forum]

I’m looking for more of a classic Deathcore kit but for modern stuff it sounds perfect

Monarch provides both so I’ll probably go with that

[vale vapor]

make it yourself

https://open.spotify.com/track/7BjlG8Rpa6vj81WyZp15T9

this is a song i produced

[timber forum]

I’m not that advanced lol

[vale vapor]

it isn't advanced

you just use different vsts in combination with eachother

pick and choose what you want to keep from each

[vale vapor]

i believe this is GGD pop punk

which is pretty funny

[timber forum]

That’s funny lol, yeah that sounds good

[formal hedge]

Classic deathcore would have you with something more intense and less processed, for a free kit I'd say kick and snare from MT Power, toms and cymbals from SSD5 since MT Power cymbals and toms are kinda awful

[vale vapor]

mtpower snare is burned into my mind

i cant use it

[formal hedge]

It sounds really good but it's been a long time since I last used MTPower

SSD5 is just perfect for me

[timber forum]

I tried mtp and it was god awful. Not what I wanted atleast lol

[formal hedge]

Yeah it's....

[timber forum]

Imma try this monarch kit. Looks good. Plus alot more user friendly

Invasion has been a nightmare

[formal hedge]

How much does it cost?

[timber forum]

89$

[vale vapor]

monarch is pretty good, my brother uses it

[formal hedge]

Aight not bad

[timber forum]

I just don’t have a ton of time to do a lot of post processing stuff as I use too. Still learning too so easy and quick is key for me right now

[formal hedge]

I still wouldn't pay it because paying for plug-ins outside of donations isn't ideal but if it's a great plug-in like I've heard people say it is, it's definitely worth the price

[vale vapor]

"paying for plug-ins outside of donations isn't ideal" ?

what do you mean

[formal hedge]

I just wouldn't do it

[vale vapor]

what do you mean not ideal lol

[timber forum]

If people put in thousands of hours for a really good program then I’m paying for it lol

[vale vapor]

Yeah lol

exactly

[formal hedge]

With the amount of free plug-ins that sweep expensive ones it just makes it seem worthless

[timber forum]

And that’s coming from a broke bitch like me lol

[vale vapor]

i mean... no?

that doesn't really apply

you still have to dig pretty far to find good alternatives

[formal hedge]

Legitimately a quick Google search in most common cases

[timber forum]

There’s also a ton of overpriced stuff too. So something that is well made and provides some of the best user friendly products for a fair price then I think it’s well worth the investment

[formal hedge]

Aside from more obscure ones of course

[timber forum]

Not always true, there’s d*ck riders for every program that swear it’s the best

It’s hard to get a straight answer on what is the best because it really comes down to exactly what YOU want

[formal hedge]

True but I don't think I've ever had a hard time finding an alternative to a paid plugin

[timber forum]

I get that but if that paid plugin has the 1 feature that sets it apart from the free that I really want then it’s worth it

[vale vapor]

but how does that make paying for good plugins not ideal

if i really enjoy a drum library, im gonna buy it

[timber forum]

Not sure if ideal was the best word for him to describe how he felt haha

[formal hedge]

Yeah probably wasn't the best descriptive word

[balmy forum]

its crazy how close you got it lol

[fathom jewel]

People upload demos on Spotify? Also ggd pop punk ride

[finite finch]

@vale vapor know any free drum vsts?

[formal hedge]

I'm not XENON but if you're looking for something on a pro level, SSD5 free

There's also ML Drums which is pretty good

[finite finch]

Wasnt ml paid?

[formal hedge]

Free version

[finite finch]

A

[halcyon holly]

perfect drums player

or just crack it coz like, it's discountined anyway

[vale vapor]

I always wondered what's the legality of using discontinued or disowned plugins

I use an old drumforge library that got discontinued

[halcyon holly]

I mean the law says it's illegal, but i say: if the company stops selling a digital product, what do they loose if you crack it? Nothing. You wouldn't have been able to buy it anyway. So if they're not loosing anything, how is it theft? So therefore i always say, it's not stealing. go for it

[vale vapor]

Yeah makes sense

That shouldn't be illegal because of digital preservation reasons anyway

[halcyon holly]

It's like going into a shop, bringing in a product they don't sell, and then getting arrested for stealing lol

So nah i don't think it's immoral personally

On a purely reasoning basis

[vale vapor]

LOL

Facts

[wraith hare]

made this unprocessed demo stuff with ssd4 deluxe lol

low quality version

[vale vapor]

that synth sounds perfect from that era

GGs