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[turbid radish]

this is visual kei deathcore for ya. from a classic album at that

[fringe geode]

This is sick

[turbid radish]

@vale vapor this must be way better. i got the synths and ambience guitar actually turned up now and better mixing. this snare is better i think, i took everything off the cymbals too so its back to its natural kontakt joey sturgis state

i think i made the kick and guitar unmatch in the verses though for a more prog feel now that i hear it rn

at first its on beat then goes off beat halfway through then repeats

but as for the djent maybe thats what should actually just match completely if i can

[runic adder]

Nocturnal bloodlust mentioned

[vale vapor]

mostly better yeah

snare is still kinda Doofy

and the kick still sounds like its being clipped

[viscid summit]

Tone feedback ?

[vale vapor]

Could use a tube screamer before the amp

To give the highs a little more fizz and sizzle

Other than that sounds good

[finite finch]

Unanswered riff!

[karmic plinth]

Thoughts on this?

[turbid radish]

@vale vapor i think that just by lessening how many samples i use layered for the drums down to basic amounts of 1 each, i got it sounding like soasins first album now or something lol i think it was called translating the name

[vale vapor]

Translating the name is definitely less processed haha

There's a lottt of ducking going on

[balmy forum]

GUYS ITS ALEX TERRIBLE

HES BACK

[royal dock]

i will not give up 😉

[balmy forum]

Great

Well can you at least put ur ego aside for now

[royal dock]

lol what ego xd

[fathom jewel]

kick too loud

[turbid radish]

More than the snare?

I think I just need to simmer how sharply the shell hit

My leads too loud too

[royal dock]

lol

[fringe geode]

It sounds good. Now you need to figure out how to fix your levels.

[vale vapor]

yeah hearing this on my headphones, the drums are just wayyyy too loud

kick also has too much mids and lowmids

[turbid radish]

too much attack and needs better eq basically as xenon said. gotta fix these then the levels. hopefully it will finally be a mix i can call pretty good lol

[vale vapor]

guitar tone is very muddy, and it seems like there's only one guitar track

there's a lot to be fixed here

but an interesting idea

[royal dock]

that track was just a practice audio XD

[inland anchor]

@fringe geode tone

[turbid radish]

the practice itself is a good thought. we are also here to help if you ever need! but i agree that you should probably also try 2 guitar tracks as well

[wraith hare]

Very scooped and fuzzy

[royal dock]

What is the best way to record multiple guitar tracks? 2 Stereo, and 2 left right ? or just 1 stereo track, and 1 left 1 R ?

[formal hedge]

Two takes, one left and one right

That's the industry standard afaik

[balmy igloo]

Yep

[formal hedge]

Also just sounds really good

Make sure it's a different take for each though

[balmy igloo]

Sometimes triple tracking with one in the middle is cool but yeah just left and right is like pretty much every mix

[formal hedge]

I at one point thought that you could copy paste and it would be the same as double tracked guitars

That was one of my biggest mistakes in mixing

[balmy igloo]

lol so true

I've used an imager plugin on a single mono track to turn it into a stereo before

Works pretty good if all you're sent is a single mono track to work with.

[formal hedge]

My old mixes were single tracked guitars with presets, bass turned too far down, drums with no multi routing and reverb on max whack, all brought to you by FL Studio

[royal dock]

aight thanks. im unsure everytime when i record stuff.

[balmy igloo]

FL studio is so based

[formal hedge]

Really?

Not great in my experience

Great for hip hop though

[balmy igloo]

If you're a trap producer it's pretty good.

Yeah you get it

That's how I got into production trap and rap music.

[wraith hare]

Idk when i switched to reaper my experience became much better

[formal hedge]

Same

[balmy igloo]

I could not get into reaper. I'm too Ableton brained to figure it out.

Reapers Restream plugin is goated for streaming on OBS.

Ableton cannot route into OBS for some reason and that is literally the only fix.

[inland anchor]

yes

I realised it kinda sounds like a Godhood

[wraith hare]

imo reaper is the most versatile

[inland anchor]

Ableton is good too

[wraith hare]

I dunno

[karmic plinth]

I personally use cakewalk sonar, and it doesn't do too bad, it does what I need it to

[finite coral]

well my fingers hurt so im happy

[wraith hare]

is that hammer++ in the taskbar

[finite coral]

YES

[balmy forum]

10/10 your the best

[finite coral]

i love paying for every update!!!

[balmy forum]

We don’t?

[finite coral]

ableton hate is tolerated cuz lse uses it

ive been told for every new ableton version u have to pay

[balmy forum]

We pay for every major version

But so does fl bro

It’s worth imo

[finite coral]

no u dont

[balmy forum]

It’s like fl 22 now or something?

[finite coral]

fl studio doesnt charge for version updates its a lifetime thing

[balmy forum]

Neither do we

It’s like every 5 years a new software comes out

You can pay for it

Or just stay on the old one

I do agree that ableton is bad with pricing

But its also breaking the grounds of the daws imo, I’ve never seen effects that ableton has anywhere else

[finite coral]

idk man i opened it once

and it was broken so i just gave up

[vale vapor]

Fl is lifetime free updates

[vale vapor]

True... 💔✌️

[versed remnant]

Song i made for my horticulture final

Gojira was right all along

Brand new weed
Plant the seed
To let it grow
After the snow

It will need light
The burning atmosphere
Will provide
A source of feast

It needs some water
But don’t you drown it
(There’s room for error)

Feed below the leaves
Cuz the roots need
(but not the green)

Plant it
Then water it
Plant it
Then watch it grow
Plant it
Look out for pests
Plant it
Put on a show

See the sprouting fetus
Little baby plant
Needs no extra care
Just watch its back

It needs some water
But don’t you drown it

Feed below the leaves
Cuz the roots need

Plant it
Then water it
Plant it
Then watch it grow
Plant it
Look out for pests
Plant it
Put on a show

Plant it

Plant it

Plant it

Plant it
Then water it
Plant it
Then watch it grow
Plant it
Look out for pests
Plant it
Put on a show

Plant it
You made it grow
Plant it
You made it grow
Plant it
You made it grow
Plant it

[tender oak]

Whatcha making in hammer++?

[finite coral]

whole lotta nothing

havent really done anything in 5 years

tried cs2 hammer its really hard

[tender oak]

I used to be a source mapper back in the late 2000s to 2010s. Made a pretty popular survival map for l4d2 which was my claim to fame back in the day lmao

[finite coral]

on paper its easier cuz its modernized but im too used to source spaghetti

[vale vapor]

Brooo

You do anything for gmod?

[tender oak]

I think one of my counterstrike source maps was ai noded for gmod

Cs_office_urban is the one someone ai noded for gmod. The l4d2 map is Mansion Survival, both are on the steam workshop. The upload of the counterstrike one isn't from me but I'm glad someone took it from CSS and put it up for the workshop.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=142705610
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1744019860

I know off topic sorry 🙏

[vale vapor]

Yooo

[versed remnant]

https://youtu.be/QzBz2JidwnE?si=M86uAGkClPPvr_II dropped the lyric video 🗣️🔥🔥

[royal dock]

Thanks to everyone who gave me a lil feedback on the other audio. Im trying my best to improve 🙂

[wraith hare]

I'm making gmod and TF2 maps sometimes

[worthy sail]

recently got the misha mansoor nerual dsp plugin and was trying to make a djent tone, not really experienced with this stuff, guitars probably a little out of tune because i used a pitch shifter. Its the right idea though right? im gonna try covering one of my favourite songs

i dunno, i feel like its missing something

i just dont know what it is

[balmy igloo]

Nice. I think your kick or bass might be clipping a little too hard. That's about it. Cool track.

[balmy igloo]

Not sure. Try checking it in a mix and seeing.

Been getting into editing shorts

[runic adder]

feels a little too compressed, even considering the mp3 format

might be in my head, not sure

[halcyon holly]

hello mr. disposal

[runic adder]

woah ross appearance

[halcyon holly]

i have awoken

[runic adder]

welcome to the land of the living

[halcyon holly]

Unfortunately

[runic adder]

real

hows the studio going

[halcyon holly]

Acceptably. They're on about getting a new mac pro m2. I think they're all idiots.

One of my closest mates left the studio, so i've not been enjoying it too much

But it's been fine

hows your life going

[runic adder]

decent

finally remembered my youtube password so i can start making content again

[halcyon holly]

i saw that and meant to check it but i forgored

send

[runic adder]

https://youtu.be/xOAD0-UJTY8?si=opOsdAp4tLPGOupN

i got another cover lined up with a mix that isn't two years old this time

but I recorded and edited this all of last night instead of sleeping

my morning alarm went off while I was making the thumbnail lmao

[halcyon holly]

Good mix

well done

Maybe work to be done with the vocals

But you're using an SM7B so it's probably just that

[runic adder]

oh yeah that mix was done a year ago, i have a much better vocal mix recently i think

[halcyon holly]

Nice performance though

very tight

[runic adder]

newer vocal mix for reference

[runic adder]

https://klipy.com/gifs/spongebob-patrick-235--k01KQ0KZV70KQMGXCDM32MHVPF2

[halcyon holly]

yeah, better

still a bit dry

[halcyon holly]

holy shit what is wrong with you

disgusting!!

[runic adder]

https://tenor.com/view/berdly-true-morgan-freeman-floating-deltarune-gif-8651189475319372795

[halcyon holly]

Yeah

very cool mix

got better fr

Or maybe you was always good and i'mm just an asshole

[runic adder]

multiple things can be true at once

but nah i def got better recently

[halcyon holly]

I can hear it

good job

i dont want to go to the cinema

but i must

so cya

[runic adder]

for the wifey ofc

[halcyon holly]

exactly

[runic adder]

have fun, see you in another 30 years when you wake up again

[halcyon holly]

yep

[wraith hare]

Yello

[runic adder]

greem?

[turbid radish]

@vale vapor its like this now

trying the fortin nameless vst too now instead of thall amp even

this is certainly more flavorful in some kind of way even if the eq could be better on the guitars

[runic adder]

according to this server: don't use busters plugins

ive seen more hate for thall amp and odeholm drums here than anywhere else 😭

but I agree nameless is better

[balmy forum]

fortin is great but it needs a differnt cab

it works really well with this ir and @vale vapors mesa 2000 capture

this is fortin with those cabs

[turbid radish]

Omg that's awesome I'll dl it when I'm home

[halcyon holly]

i really don't fuck with nameless icl

in my old age i have started a vendetta against it

It sounds very clanky, harsh and empty

Scooped too

And it has that weird pick attack thing going on, which can be cool, and can compeltely ruin mixes

[formal hedge]

Is this AI because it really sounds like it

[halcyon holly]

It very much does

[formal hedge]

Especially the vocals

That and it was a single audio file

[balmy forum]

it could be ace studio

(programed vocals)

the music def issnt

unless ai uses buster kit too

[formal hedge]

Very true, but the way the guy sounds in particular reminds me a lot of different AI stuff I've heard

[vale vapor]

100% ai

[vale vapor]

Doesn't sound like buster

[balmy forum]

that is 9000000% buster lol

[vale vapor]

I'm on phone speakers but it sounds way different to me

[balmy forum]

nah thats buster kit, it could be mixed differntly

[formal hedge]

You can add audio to Suno and tell it to use it, so they could have uploaded Buster samples to that or another tool

[balmy forum]

highly doubt it

at that point its just too much effort

[formal hedge]

Not really

[balmy forum]

and lets be real any ai user does not have enough attention span to be bothered

[formal hedge]

You'd be surprised the length people go to to not make music

[turbid radish]

i have just finished yet another mix 😈

[vale vapor]

oh yeah

i hear it

It sounds like guitars and buster drums over an ai vocal

The vocal could also just be badly mixed

[vale vapor]

not a huge fan of it, the IR sounds kinda hissy

[balmy forum]

nah its ai for sure, unles they used like a vocoder lol

[vale vapor]

drums are clipped a little too much

[turbid radish]

im trying some kind of

orange 412 cab now ir wise

[vale vapor]

theres some things in there that its doing that ai doesn't do

but it could still be ai

[turbid radish]

i just wanted to try an old post hardcore tone. i think i made it worse possibly lol

[turbid radish]

im only doing it by 3 db but if thats too much, i will try 1 instead

1 seems safe but i thought 3 sounded good like this

[balmy forum]

off topic but i found these guys last night https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us826HSUf6c&list=RDus826HSUf6c&start_radio=1

played it over the PA at work it sounded insane

[turbid radish]

so yea hows that new guitar tone

@balmy forum i am trying an orange ir

[balmy forum]

its very cab sounding

did you take off fortins cab

[formal hedge]

@buoyant summit get this IR, best one I've ever heard

XENON sent it a long time ago and I've been using it ever since

[balmy forum]

nu uh this one is better

[formal hedge]

It's also really good

[turbid radish]

yes.

i took off cab 2 and replaced cab 1

[formal hedge]

But the one I sent works better w my stuff that I use

[turbid radish]

what does very cab sounding mean o_o LOL

[halcyon holly]

probably resonant

[balmy forum]

why cant i write anything

i just have no motivation

wtf is going on

[halcyon holly]

Because writing music is exceptionally difficult, and extremely low reward

You don't enjoy it, because everyone who is a human being is overly critical of their music, no one else enjoys it, because to get people to hear it you need to be fluent in posting everyday for 3 years on tiktok, and your parents won't be proud, because you're a musician

joking btw

or am i

[balmy forum]

awh

but seriously wtf is going on

blame canada

[runic adder]

Lowk listen to genres you wouldn’t normally listen to

Helps get me out of a writing block sometimes

[turbid radish]

im canadian 💀

[balmy forum]

fuck you then

lol sorry im just taking the piss out of trump

[vale vapor]

Just don't clip your drums lol

[vale vapor]

Speak for yourself i love writing music

The reward is me hearing it

And being happy cause i made it

[balmy forum]

i love writing music too but recently i just cant

i have no motivation at all and just cant come up with things

[vale vapor]

Try to make a genre you don't listen to

[turbid radish]

why? 1 db is solid but is this a stylistic thing for since i wanna sound like saosin? XD

from translating hte name ig

[vale vapor]

You're using fortin nameless and playing in what sounds like drop G

that already is off to a bad start if you wanna sound like saosin

if you want to sound like translating the name, play in D standard or drop C, use WAY less processing, and use an amp from the 90s/early 2000s

[turbid radish]

just meatn the drums sorry

[vale vapor]

then i would use less processing overall

[runic adder]

been meaning to cover this song since it came out and now im finally getting to it

[balmy forum]

@vale vapor ive been trying to get better at balencing

how is this

holy spelling

why

[balmy forum]

@turbid radish Try these

[finite coral]

No

[finite coral]

Idk if that's a compliment or insult

[finite coral]

I use it In my quad track

With another amp forgot whixh one

[finite coral]

0 just uvr vocals

[balmy forum]

vocal removed from an AI song? lol

[finite coral]

No lmao

It's just a cover

I'm not a fan of anything ai in music and I've heard a lot of it and I don't get how this sounds like that lol

[finite coral]

Ai doesn't use any kit it's just stealing audio

[finite coral]

You try to stem split ai music and see what happens

There's a yt vid about it cuz ai gets confused with the instruments so when you split them you get weird results

https://youtu.be/3Nlb-m_vKYM?t=345

[finite coral]

heres ur project i just didnt want to open it again it takes a while

[balmy forum]

best mix ive done in a while

whered my high end go

[balmy forum]

im so happy

my mixing is back

and its pretty good imo

[fathom jewel]

were the vocals censored in the stems?

[balmy forum]

Censored?

[fathom jewel]

the last line was censored (F*ck it, I'm done, this is a waking nightmare), there was supposed to an f word there

nice mix tho

[balmy forum]

really?

maybe i was side chaining it too hard so it sounded like that lol

[balmy forum]

oh yeah i hear it now

thats weird lemme check

wtf it is

strenge

[fathom jewel]

very nolly coded mix, almost sounds like it belongs in holy hell by architects

[balmy forum]

well im currently mix prayer position so if you like nolly your in luck haha

[fathom jewel]

the bass and guitars need a little high mid boost, overall everything needs some more brightness

just a nitpick

[balmy forum]

cool, ive just started with balanceing first and then mix bus

its ended up really well

sorry if that sentence make so sense at all lol

[pseudo rain]

Wrong key but it works I guess

[balmy forum]

@fathom jewel Did somebody say nolly-coded

[turbid radish]

got it. but im surprised you think i should have 0 clipping

but i may as well take out that subtle transient shaper too i guess that i have on my drum shells

[turbid radish]

what are they?

xD

[fathom jewel]

this mix hits the limiter pretty hard

the cymbals do be sizzlin

[royal dock]

https://giphy.com/gifs/michael-jackson-6pJNYBYSMFod2

[royal dock]

this is awesome. man i wish i can make some dope music with other musicians.

[runic adder]

The kick is going to kill me

Is it fine? Can I stop tweaking the EQ and comp?

[vale vapor]

Unless you're adding back transients, clipping and saturation just kills transients, that's what it's designed to do

[vale vapor]

That will only make the problem worse

[turbid radish]

what about adding it back?

after the clipper. you meant with a compressor?

damn i was just doing what joey sturgis did in a past video xD

but i do hear my drums are lacking something. i'll follow this advice

[turbid radish]

i took the clipper and the shaper out. its sounding better now

[hollow tulip]

oh wow me likey

i like the short transitional section at 0:49 to 0:53

and i love that piano arpeggio thing placed against the djenty riffs

[hollow tulip]

and yeah i think this mix sounds better than the older one (which i assume is this one #1095992147968262144 message)

[turbid radish]

ty

[balmy forum]

its in the name bro lol

[turbid radish]

my guitars are too fizzy but meh

[balmy forum]

they are irs

[turbid radish]

what cab sims

[balmy forum]

the cymbals are shit in general lol

[balmy forum]

heaps of random ones blended

[tidal stream]

hey, i have this kinda song, but something feels off, dunno exactly what

[hollow tulip]

wip extend after not updating this thing for a while
still need to add a pre-2nd drop section in 2:17 (idk what to put in there but it's roughly gonna be like the chill section at 1:00 but i have to figure out a way so it doesn't sound too samey. suggestions are welcome) and add outro
writers' block hitting too damn hard but something is better than nothing

[hollow tulip]

imo the rythm guitars sound like they aren't very distorted enough for metal (that's how i can put it to words i think)

it's kinda like when korn or some nu metal band plays the non-distorted version of a riff before switching to a more distorted one

[hollow tulip]

is there a bass guitar in this short demo?

[tidal stream]

aah, i kinda get what you're trying to say

[tidal stream]

not yet added since rn i'm trying to make the guitar sections as good as i can

[hollow tulip]

i see

[tidal stream]

i mean, i added something there to act as a bass, but just very slightly to be able to have a rough idea

[halcyon holly]

very cool

[turbid radish]

is it ok if i try this same amp and cab setup? do you mind telling me what that would be? this sounds so baller and japanese LOL

down to even what i think seems to be some sort of mesa sound or possibly just 5150

i just want a good solid djent amp like this

the closest ones were probably jason richardson from mixwave or maybe ndsp misha mansoor but i couldnt quite get it as good as your sound legitimate djent tone wise

i dont even think the fortin nameless i use though cuts it. it was somewhat an experiment, lowk lol tbh

[hollow tulip]

it's definitely on Toontrack EZmix. I'm not on my pc however so I can't give you the precise details, sorry :( but if possible I'll get back to you quickly

[turbid radish]

thats ok i just got pod farm on my guitars now. no one will like this tone probably but i think its pretty classic escape the fate type toned LOL

[vale vapor]

How will no one like it if it sounds like ETF

lots of people like etf

[finite finch]

What are u using on ur guitar chain

U never misss with these tones

[runic adder]

Fortin nameless + will putney IR

Evergreen was the IR

[finite finch]

Will putney irs are peak

[runic adder]

On that specific demo I kinda neutered the tone with my weird EQ choices, returning it to form once I get home

[finite finch]

I wonder what exactly are the cabs he uses

[turbid radish]

the bogner uberschall tone is very rackety and fizzy almost in a way thats nothing like the heavy asf brown sound tone

very fuzzy n stuff

and it doesnt have the same kind of body to it. people would assume its a practice amp tone from what ive seen or heard

but here goes in a min or two. my pod farm uberschall tone

[turbid radish]

god my drums are some bad i think lol

[karmic plinth]

I started writing this one the other night, im like the direction but not sure if tone needs to change on any of the instruments

[balmy igloo]

Boss theme!

[balmy igloo]

Arrangement and composition is good just needs a bigger mix. Cool track 👍

[karmic plinth]

thanks!

Yeah mixing is not my strong suit at the moment as I'm learning, BUT compositoin is my stronger point haha I definitely have ideas to expand the rest of the song but was curious on this one

[turbid radish]

@balmy igloo should be better here lol

[runic adder]

ok i think i got it down

any feedback?

[balmy forum]

@halcyon holly what do you think of these mixes

[balmy forum]

.

[vale vapor]

kick lacks bass, are you highpassing it?

[turbid radish]

No highpass

[halcyon holly]

I reckon the kick could have it's presence focused from the high-treble range (8khz+) to the low-mid treble range (1-5khz). It's sounding a bit clicky here. It could also come up a bit. The vocal doubling is cool but maybe a bit overdone - something in the middle would be nice

Overall yeah, sounding good

[hollow tulip]

sorry for the late response but here is my settings n stuff
you can ignore the "rock and metal pre-eq" preset since it doesn't change too much if not included and it's meant to be run before the amp (i think)
the "odin guitar" preset is just a sort of a/b amp thing
btw the guitar is from a plugin called Odin 3 by Solemn Tones. all instruments are virtual bc i can't play shit and fl studio piano roll is my lord and savior

[hollow tulip]

how it sounds like w/o the other instruments

[granite mist]

ah yes metalcore

i wrote this whole thing literally from end to start

still need some kind of intro

[surreal wharf]

https://youtu.be/B8quvUSo0QA?si=t9jUUty9Do4B2pej

[timber forum]

Anymore mixing tips before I say fuck it. I feel like I’m surpassing my skill level here. I don’t care if it’s perfect. I’m not trying to be Lorna shore or whatever. I just want to make sure it’s listenable lmao

[vale vapor]

overall mix sounds very muffled

Guitar is a bit too shrill in the 5k range

[timber forum]

How to clear it up?

[vale vapor]

sounds like you're taking the highs out of the entire song

especially the vocals and cymbals

if you have any weird EQ curves doing that, take them off

bass is also muddy around 150hz, id make the bass more focused below that

[timber forum]

Sounds good, will adjust. What ranges you suggest I boost or keep close

[vale vapor]

and possibly use a guitar tone that's less scooped

[vale vapor]

Just try to make the song sound balanced

[timber forum]

Probably not gonna change the guitar tone. Might unscoop the mids a little . This is the same guitar tone that everyone in here a month ago said sounded great so idk. Maybe it’s the other mid-high range throwing it off

[vale vapor]

I do not remember that

lol

[timber forum]

To be fair you didn’t comment on it but we did talk a little through dms

I know it’s not going to sound as polished as your band or anything. Just need it a little better

[vale vapor]

ohhhhhh

youre this guy

what are you using for guitar tone?

[timber forum]

Namu with the highest rated 5150 and a mesa 4x12 ir

[vale vapor]

do you have EQ on it afterwards?

[timber forum]

Yes

[vale vapor]

what does the EQ look like

send a screenshot

[timber forum]

I can’t right now I’m already chillen in bed for the night haha. But the mids aren’t too scooped. You suggesting I pull them back up a bit and boot the high end a tad? I’ve been watching a lot of freightbox so using his methods

[vale vapor]

Yeah it just sounds like the whole focus of the tone is just that shrill bit

[timber forum]

What’s shrill ? Sorry lmao

[vale vapor]

around the 5k range

[timber forum]

This is literally my first time mixing or doing anything with a song so it’s been rough 😣

[vale vapor]

i mean first time ever it's not bad

[timber forum]

I appreciate that 🙏🏼 I’m slowly learning lol

Hard to juggle 60hr+ workweeks with 2 kids. Only usually have an hour or so a night

New album slaps btw!

Just to confirm. You are saying around the 5k range is too low or high?

[vale vapor]

Too high!

[timber forum]

Awesome thanks bro

[vale vapor]

dang man 😂 u need a vacation

[timber forum]

I do bro 😭😭😭:

[timber forum]

That goes for the whole mix yeah? Or just especially cymbals and guitar (sorry for so many questions)

[vale vapor]

Im pretty sure it's the guitar

Just sounds like everything is kinda fighting itself, can't be too sure

[timber forum]

Only had about 10 mins to mess with it. I focused on the things we talked about (vocals, unscooping some mids on guitar and and lowering around the 5k range, giving the cymbals more room) to my ear it sounds a little better for sure

@vale vapor

[balmy forum]

I thought you were like 12 lol

[timber forum]

Lmao what made you think that?

[runic adder]

There’s a lot of young people in this server so sometimes people just assume

[timber forum]

Yeah I’m older. 30 😭

[wraith hare]

same age as my older brother

[runic adder]

which tone is better?

2.2 is more "rrrrrrr" and 3.1 is more "aaahhh" but I can't decide between em and running them both would sound like shit

[karmic plinth]

I tried playing wtih Eq and such for my mix, hows it sounding?

[tender oak]

Just off rip and for no particular reason, 2.2 is better. More clarity but also still sounds muddy and mean? 3.1 sounds a little too unclear and distorted

[finite finch]

i like 3.1 tone personally

but

doesnt fit in mix i think

2.2 would be good for this mix imo

[runic adder]

what makes it not fit?

probably gonna keep the 2.2 one but just curious

[runic adder]

muddy in a bad way or just darker?

[finite finch]

i think its too midheavy

while the other stuff like drums aren't

[runic adder]

Ah

Fair

[runic adder]

Something something guitar is a midrange instrument

Lmfao I get it

[turbid radish]

this was made with only vst instruments in this one and i mixed from scratch

@vale vapor was right it was a good idea to start fresh lol

im not used to mixing cymbals though so it might be iffy but i used to use jst cymbals

i lowpassed my cymbals very muchly cuz i hated the high end on it

@runic adder xD mix update pinging you since you happen to hear so many of my mixes

this one is actually by far the best drum-wise

as for the shells at least

i feel impressed even by the intro fill

i should probably just harmonize those guitars too when it goes octavey. ahh i forgor. maybe in a next mix i post

[vale vapor]

Crazy amounts of ducking but from what i can tell (phone speakers) it sounds alright

Sounds smashed tho

[turbid radish]

that woulld be the cymbals

i tried an exciter. idk how to get that joey sturgis sound :(

or my comp settings are ass

[runic adder]

Lmao one sec I’ll give it a listen

gives me an escape from drum programming hell

[runic adder]

guitars are a little dark fs, loosen the compression on your drum room and/or cymbals

the mix is good though

when you loosen the comp on the cymbals turn em down a bit too

[vale vapor]

Joey sturgis sound is just multiband comp and eq man just keep it simple

Joey doesn't do anything nutso with exciters or anything like that

Just compress, eq, and good balance

[turbid radish]

damn. i really thought his sizzle came from exciting lol

i could have just been over thinking it. but i havent done cymbal mixing in a long time

so im out of practice

[tender oak]

Muddy as in it's harder for me to hear the riff, though I am on phone speakers. The 2.2 one is heavy and chunky and mean but also clear to me at least. I think it fits better.

Less clashy with what's around it while maintaining the grit and anger

[runic adder]

i see

ty

[turbid radish]

got one last post to put here for now lol

@vale vapor way more pleasant now lol

i dont think its ducking anymore most of all

[vale vapor]

I promise you he didn't use anything crazy like that back then 😭

All the og guys like him are just good at what they do

It's all about balance and experience

[turbid radish]

yeah. somehow my shells sound amazing in this song i sent btw

idk what it is. its just so dimensional and pleasantly balanced

i never achieved this but its done from scratch and not just a worked on preset

@vale vapor my secret sauce is linear phase eq for phase preservation but i was just trying it out. what do you think? lol

[vale vapor]

Idek what that is twin

I just use a regular eq

[turbid radish]

its a waves eq

but it preserves your source material as it eq's so the freq spectrum itself doesnt mess with itself

[vale vapor]

Phase preservation 😭

[turbid radish]

xd

and i love how my snare turned out this time around finally

[turbid radish]

yeah im just making sure it doesnt delete detail of the original snare as i eq lel

so thats basically what this specific eq is doing

[vale vapor]

I don't think that actually does anything

Or has an audible difference

[turbid radish]

not very much but its better than nothing

[vale vapor]

??

I disagree

I've never used any phase specialized eq

[turbid radish]

https://assets.wavescdn.com/pdf/plugins/linear-phase-eq.pdf

🫡

this is just gonna be my go to eq from now on

it just works that way, i am thinking

theres also a version thats multiband compression but it is linear phase as well

[vale vapor]

Sounds like snake oil😭

@halcyon holly thoughts? Any actual use for linear phase eq?

Maybe not snake oil, more like fluff

I feel like if you feel like you need to use a specialized EQ to get a certain sound, you just don't know how to use an EQ very well

[runic adder]

dude

programming and humanizing drums is so tedious 😭

finally got the drums in for the full song, so at least I don't have to worry about it anymore

now I just gotta record guitars and work on sound design for the rest of the track

[vale vapor]

Get quick with keybinds

I don't find it tedious anymore cause i added custom buttons in reaper and custom keybinds that accelerate my workflow

[runic adder]

what keybinds did you add?

a lot of it for me just comes down to when i'm doing a cover and trying to get the drums 1:1 or something similar

[vale vapor]

I added buttons that switch between 1/8 1/16 and 1/32 grid, as well as regular vs triplet

[runic adder]

that is convenient actually

[vale vapor]

That's more tedious than writing drums for sure

[halcyon holly]

Yes, absolutely

Snare tops and bottoms

Spaced overheads

[runic adder]

esp this song where they went fucking crazy with the fills and shit

[halcyon holly]

Dual guitars

[vale vapor]

Gotcha

[halcyon holly]

With different amps

[vale vapor]

William was claiming that he just used it on everything to "get a certain sound"

[halcyon holly]

Any eq move where there is another layer with similar properties needs a linear phase

[halcyon holly]

Oh that’s no so true

[vale vapor]

And to me that sounds like he needs to read up on EQ in general

[halcyon holly]

Linear phase sounds the same unless something is phasing due to shifting between identical or similar layers

[vale vapor]

LMAO

I figured so

[halcyon holly]

Say you had 2 nameless instances of double tracked guitars

If you eq the low end out on one of them, you’ve fucked the low end on the other too

[vale vapor]

Ahh

[halcyon holly]

If you high pass (god forbid) and there’s only one layer, you’re not gonna hear a difference between linear and not

[vale vapor]

Yeah makes sense

[halcyon holly]

Comes form the fact that EQ is essentially a Fourier transformer time shifting filter

[vale vapor]

Fourier transform my beloved

[halcyon holly]

Take a layer, duplicate it, shift it over by the smallest amount possibly in your daw, it’ll sound like a slight low pass

Then all the other eq moves are just similar concepts

Part of the audio being shifted by some time amount

So yeah

No, not true

Only true in very specific instances

[vale vapor]

Yep

[turbid radish]

so correct me if im wrong, but if there is always one input into the vst despite layers or not, and if i having an frequency range that can phase cancel itself at any specific moment in time on my snare for example, my linear phase eq wont really make any or much effect at all for my snare?

[halcyon holly]

What

[turbid radish]

i was just wondering, if it really makes 0 difference in my case at all but i wanted your own personal, straight, yes or no, opinion

@halcyon holly

but what i said, is a challenge at what you said about it being only for certain cases

i want to see if im wrong truly

because i can't currently tell very clearly

[turbid radish]

with this being the reason

if that is incorrect, then i am wrong

[halcyon holly]

yes or no on what

I don't particularly understand what you were trying to say in that paragraph

[turbid radish]

i just want to know, if you also believe aside from xenon that i should just use a normal eq because a linear phase eq will do nothing at all like 0% effect on my single sample drums, which i have a linear phase eq on each track individually routed from the vst of course

because i believe that a linear phase eq still does some sort of subtle magic even if its not double layered or spacially mixed or sampled or anything

[halcyon holly]

That is false. If you do not have more than one layer, the difference will be either indistinguishable or negligable

But like, run the test yourself

Which is what i ALWAYS reccommend from this kidna thing. But no, the science / physics / maths / general audio engineering knowledge says no, no difference.

To set the test up, create a mix using a normal phase EQ, then render. Then, render the mix again using the SAME eq settings, but chance it to linear phase

A linear phase EQ may sound different from a normal phase EQ because all EQs sound very slightly different. I'm suspecting thats what you're hearing. You've heard something liek pro-q, switched to analog-based linear phase eq and gone wow, this sounds great!

Yeah, because it's a different EQ. Not because it's linear phase.

Lmk your thoughts

[turbid radish]

i think you are right and that my linear phase eq hasnt really made a difference but i like how my eq settings sound at the moment so im probably just keeping it as is haha xD

ty for the insight

[finite finch]

thoughts on this mix?

[vale vapor]

guitar tone is super weird sounding to me, sounds kind of narrow too, as if it isn't fully panned

there's not much note clarity and it's pretty muffled

snare is a bit loose in the high end it sounds like, kick is alright though it's lacking a bit of body

[vale vapor]

sounds great bro

[runic adder]

hell yeah

[turbid radish]

here we go lol i think the kick might be more full like this, i also took off all guitar eq and swtiched to just archetype misha mansoor from mixwave jason richardson and i think it sounds like epic legitness with this vst as is so far lol

[balmy forum]

too much ducking

[turbid radish]

i tried to tighten up on the snare comp even as you said it sounded loose

ducking of the cymbals? true i managed to overlook it this time

[balmy forum]

the gtr tone is stil a litlle weird

[balmy forum]

ftr

[turbid radish]

its odin 3 xd

[balmy forum]

gtr

[turbid radish]

just a fake guitar that can never replace the real thing

[balmy forum]

ewwwww

[turbid radish]

but its good for what it is

[balmy forum]

its ducking way to much tho be carful

[turbid radish]

the guitars right/?

[finite finch]

In drum fills it sounds like the drums are drowning everything

[turbid radish]

it seems subtle just in my headphones the way the fills duck things but i might have to look into that still for very minimal ducking

[finite finch]

I cant help on this i never had that heavy of a ducking in my mixes so idk how to fix

I suppose it has to see with balance

[turbid radish]

it must be the mastering and maximizer

specifically

or the compressor

so it shouldnt be too hard to fix

[finite finch]

Yeah i dont mean its hard i just never had this issue before so i can't really help on it

[balmy forum]

thall amp

[naive owl]

Yes thall amp

[inland anchor]

another weird bass tone

[turbid radish]

hows the song writing in my finished composition?

i could add some extra effects here and there but i gotta add vocals and real guitar still

[fathom jewel]

choppy aah guitars, yeah real guitar would need a lot of editing to match that level of tightness

[runic adder]

My ego is telling me I can pull it off

[versed remnant]

the album WILL be dummy stupid

can someone slide some bass drops and impacts

i only have crappy ones

it felt quiet

[vale vapor]

lol i gotchu

[vale vapor]

really cool idea, cymbal sound good, kick is pretty clicky and needs some more body. snare sounds overprocessed/not dynamic enough. sounds like a singular sample?. guitar tone also could be more rounded and less trebly

overall mix needs more mids

[vale vapor]

courtesy of chango studios:

the best bassdrop i own

from my own sample pack:

[versed remnant]

snare is lowk just one sample i haven't done any of my velocities yet. i cut out a bunch of the body on the kick so i'll chuck that back in right now and bring down the click a little more. I don't have a lot of mids right now because usually my vocals take up mid range but i do have a big scoop on my guitars rn

[versed remnant]

THANK YOU

[vale vapor]

twinnn you gotta be using a snare with more than one hit 😭

i'd ease up on the guitar scoop, at least a little

[versed remnant]

i want heavy

[versed remnant]

shhhh

[vale vapor]

heavy doesn't mean only treble in the guitar

mids are what make it actually sound full and well rounded

[vale vapor]

yeah snare got worse honestly

Vocals sound great, but that's about it

[versed remnant]

tell me to kill myself

hold on

changed the snare for you

[vale vapor]

snare sounds a lot better though its a bit quiet and i think its a bit too wet

[versed remnant]

noted

i feel like my kick is missing something now too

[vale vapor]

yeah it feels a bit thin

id ease up on the processing and let the lows and low mids come through more

[versed remnant]

i

looked at my kick eq

uhhh

this is better

pray

okay i look schitzo

hold on

I THINK

my snare feels really dark now

what did i od

do

sorry i send it so much i mix on a fucking digital piano for my speajers

hopefully better

i like to send it and hear it in my airpods

[vale vapor]

bro WHAT

that migh be your problem LOL

[vale vapor]

kick is still a bit clicky, snare sounds pretty good considering

vocals could use a lot more compression

[versed remnant]

Ill send a vid hold on

[vale vapor]

overall a lot better

[versed remnant]

Noted, noted and noted

[vale vapor]

Bro 😭

can you pair your airpods to your computer?

[versed remnant]

no not with the focusrite

its

terrible

[vale vapor]

Ahhh

😭

[versed remnant]

i had headphones but their also shit

have*

[vale vapor]

save up like $50 bucks get a cheap pair of mixing headphones

[versed remnant]

fixes r rendering r

rn

[vale vapor]

like the AT M20x

[versed remnant]

ill check em out

[vale vapor]

Cheap and reliable mixing headphones

[versed remnant]

updated

im graduating soon so i'll have some banroll

[vale vapor]

kick sounds a lot better

[versed remnant]

i boosted some body and took out some more highs

[vale vapor]

yeah sounds muchh better

[versed remnant]

i might need to turn up the vocals?

idk tho

[vale vapor]

i think if you compress them more it would fix your issue

[versed remnant]

fuckass piano speaker

[versed remnant]

i have two compressors on them

on theb us

[vale vapor]

throw on a third

[versed remnant]

and comp on each vocal track

[vale vapor]

maybe OTT at like 20% depth

probs a little less

[versed remnant]

i dont even have ott

should i grab it

i think its free

[vale vapor]

yep its free

[versed remnant]

swag

hold on

[vale vapor]

OTT works great in a pinch if you don't have JST Gain Reduction

[versed remnant]

i don't i don't have any legit jst stuff

only

uh

borrowed copies

[vale vapor]

lol

[versed remnant]

i have so many viruses send help

how do i use ott

like what does the depth knob do

[vale vapor]

depth is the mix/wet knob

[versed remnant]

im used to my reaper built in plugins

[vale vapor]

its how much of the processed signal is blended in

[versed remnant]

ahhh

swagger ok

[vale vapor]

yeah OTT has a tiiiny bit of delay, so if you use reaper's wet knob it will introduce phase problems

use the built in knob for compensation

best OTT settings:

default everything
turn UPWD and DNWD comp to 45% each

blend in depth to taste

@versed remnant

[versed remnant]

swag

thank you

i think this sounds way better

[vale vapor]

Yuhhhh

[versed remnant]

im waiting on my render then i'll shoot at @vale vapor

thank you

btw for everything today

albums gonna be sick

[vale vapor]

ofc bro

I actually do lessons on production so hmu if you ever get the chance

[versed remnant]

oh swagger dude

i'm tryna start producing for other people and local bands so i've been spending ungodly amounts of time working on mixes and shit

its terrible

[vale vapor]

Real

that's the grindset lol

took me a while before i was good enough to accept clients

[versed remnant]

hopefully i'll be at a point soon enough where i'll be profitable from it

bc im poor as shit

its terrible

all my money gets spent on new pedals on amp locker

they're all on sale

i want more

[vale vapor]

yeah sounding a lot nicer

[versed remnant]

btw

i do wanna say

with the guitar

it's a six string

jackson dinky

i bought for $300

in drop E

26.5" scale legnth

i'm doing the best i can with that guitar tone

[vale vapor]

i mean guitar doesn't matter

it's just a hunk of wood

pickups matter

and string tension matters

[versed remnant]

im so happy it has bright ass pickups

[vale vapor]

my band's brand new album was recorded entirely on a $110 harley benton

Gear price means near nothing

[versed remnant]

in g# i get like near identicle misha tone

its so awesome

[vale vapor]

based

[versed remnant]

its a floyd rose

which

is weird as hell to have

in low tunings

[vale vapor]

ohhhh yep

[versed remnant]

i also don't have the nut locks rn i lost the pieces

so i have to tune it every 5 seconds in these low of tunings

its terrible

but i think the tone sounds fucking sick

[vale vapor]

this is something that gearheads would scream at me for lol

[versed remnant]

oh fuck yeah

LMAO

[vale vapor]

and i mean

you can tell me how it turned out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEh1o9RcW5E

oh yeah guitar tone is 100% free plugins too

[versed remnant]

I need a new hard drive before anything because my external drive has been in use for 4 years and is giving out i've lost about 30 projects to parsing errors

[vale vapor]

cooked bro

[versed remnant]

this is

fucking peak

[vale vapor]

thank you!

[versed remnant]

holy shit

playlist immediately

[vale vapor]

if you like heavy stuff we have some heavier ones on the record too lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crZpdP2_4go

straight deathcore

recorded on the $110 harley LOL

[versed remnant]

but like fuck yeah

i can't get good tones on my 7 its so sad the pickups are so dark

[versed remnant]

i aspire to mix like this

holy

[vale vapor]

well you can 😈

[versed remnant]

one day </3

[vale vapor]

just gotta git gud really

LOL

nah it takes a trained ear

[versed remnant]

yeah thanks man great advice

[vale vapor]

LOLL

[versed remnant]

ive been doing that ear trainer website for a minute now

i've gotten pretty good with eq stuff

yo lemme feature on vocals with your band one day

[vale vapor]

oh which one is that

[versed remnant]

i don't remember the name rn i do it on my school chromebook lowk during class

LMAO

[vale vapor]

LOL

[versed remnant]

i can't put my finger on why i did messhugga vocals on this song

[formal hedge]

Heavy recommendation: KOSS KCS75

I use those and it's so good for mixing (and overall great for listening as well)

[balmy forum]

was that just smiling friends in the intro

[balmy forum]

No you cant mix unless you have spent over $10000

its like a mental gate

god himself gives you a threshold before he lets you mix

trust

[runic adder]

Just saw a picture of those

What the fuck lmao

Entirely not what I expected

[vale vapor]

Huh

[vale vapor]

...

you can't be serious lol

"great for mixing"

Look at this frequency response bro 😭

compare that to any actual good mixing headphone frequency response

[halcyon holly]

They are good for mixing

(At that price range)

But not as good as IEMs. So just get those

If you’re looking for mixing headphones you shouldn’t be getting closed backs. And if you are looking for closed backs you should get IEMs lol

770s, AT-20/30/40/50x, k371, they all equally suck

[fathom jewel]

ok, roast my mix guys, burn it to a crisp

[vale vapor]

kick sounds a bit saturated/clipped, guitar sounds offbeat in some parts, i think the master may be clipping

either the master or the guitar/instrument bus is clipping

very noticeable around 0:50

composition is fire though

[fathom jewel]

I knew I was doing something weird when i put an reaper stock exciter on kick and snare 💀

[vale vapor]

i do that sometimes but you have to make sure it only hits a certain freq range

[runic adder]

Hyperpop metal lmfao

Yeah tame the clipper on the drums

[vale vapor]

would you guys buy a sample pack if i released one

mostly impacts, fx, glitches, ambience, textures

but also some synths, drums, and stuff like that in there

[runic adder]

Probably

[fathom jewel]

is this done with your audacity .exe importing raw data technique

[runic adder]

Is it the xango studios pack lol

[vale vapor]

pretty much

Xenon studios sample pack

[vale vapor]

partially, that plus a buuunch of post processing

to make it sound alien

diffusion filters, ring modulation, compression, hyper dimension, etc

[fathom jewel]

there was a plugin au5 used that did something similar, morph by zynaptiq audio I think

[fathom jewel]

diffusion filters are a serum2 fx thing right?

[vale vapor]

yes

[formal hedge]

Yeah I bought a headband for it so I didn't have to deal with that

[fathom jewel]

there was no clipper, only busterSE on the drum bus, and the shells bus 😬
went back and did some balancing until all faders were green, before boosting it all back with JS soft clipper

[formal hedge]

I definitely approve of BusterSE in any scenario, I use it on my master

[vale vapor]

What is that

[vale vapor]

Do you just let your faders clip??

LOL

[fathom jewel]

I think I did yeah

[vale vapor]

ok dont do that

that might be why your drums sound like theyre clipping alot to me

[fathom jewel]

are they still clipping? I turned them down like 15 db

[vale vapor]

sounds better to me

just make sure the faders aren't redlining

that's all you need to do really

give yourself wayyy more headroom, then bring it up in the master chain

bass or guitars might be clipping a bit

[vale vapor]

i set all my faders to default to -8 to give myself more headroom

its very helpful

[fathom jewel]

I think I turned the snare down too much, the bass might be clipping becuase I spapped on BUSTERse on that too 💀

[vale vapor]

what is buster se

[fathom jewel]

BUSTERse is a free clone of SSLcomp

[vale vapor]

i dont see what the use is

[fathom jewel]

apparently it glues mixes together, for a more cohesive sound, only if I ever used it right

I've been second guessing ratios and attack/release knobs by ear for years, winging compression

[vale vapor]

I tell this to people alot in this server, but just stop using specialty plugins when you don't know what they do

it's shooting yourself in the foot

You can get a GREAT mix using only EQ and single band compression lol

and multiband compression if you want it

you can do all that with stock plugs

you don't need any crazy specialty plugins

[runic adder]

it's just a free ssl comp

[vale vapor]

gotcha

then the best thing would just be to learn exactly how it works so you arent just using it to use it

or guessing

[runic adder]

I used it for bus compression until I got my hands on the waves one

[vale vapor]

i just use TDR nova and reaxcomp

or realimit

[runic adder]

typically my go-to comps are SSL style, 2500, and 1176

though I only use the ssl for bus comp so my go-to is the 2500

76 to really slam shit, and ssl for bus

[vale vapor]

1176 the GOAT

[runic adder]

but then again that's just cuz I was able to get my hands on em

[vale vapor]

i gotta try that on my busses ngl

what settings you usually do on the 1776 for an instrument bus?

[runic adder]

i don't put a 76 on my bus lol

though that is an interesting thought

[vale vapor]

ohhh

i misread

myb

[runic adder]

all g lol

might play around with that though

[vale vapor]

yeah facts lol

[runic adder]

well i mean I put it on my vocals bus but that's because I process em all on the bus lol

[vale vapor]

1176 + la2a combo on vocals is the method

[runic adder]

i see

[vale vapor]

my chain is typically

[runic adder]

haven't whipped out the la2a in a minute

[vale vapor]

reacomp doing about -6 gain reduction, EQ, 1176 into the la2a, then final EQ with Deessing

i dont usually use a d esser plugin, i just do it with a dynamic EQ band

[runic adder]

I made a preset for it in pro mb lol

[vale vapor]

lol

[runic adder]

just high shelf that goes down sometimes

[vale vapor]

yep

same thing for me but in TDR nova

[karmic plinth]

Thoughts on mix and tone?

[fathom jewel]

can't hear the snare when the rhythm guitar strumming kicks in

[karmic plinth]

I'll try adjusting the EQ but I do see what you mean by it gets drowned out

[untold knot]

Did that recently, any thoughts ? Don't mind the video, it's kind of all over the place lmao
(lyrics and vocals by me, instrumental and mix-master arent)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox-jqpX5lNk

[vale vapor]

yeah guitar drowns everything out, if you're using a limiter, take the limiter off temporarily, and just turn EVERYTHING down

you most likely aren't giving yourself enough headroom

so all of the instruments are being pushed too hard into the limiter

[formal hedge]

How's this sounding so far?
Yes I am aware this is a complete Turnstile rip-off lmao

[vale vapor]

guitar needs to come up a ton

kick is too boomy

whole mix needs to be more glued together

[runic adder]

The bass is off beat

[formal hedge]

Yeah I'm gonna fix that later on

[runic adder]

I’d recommend fixing that before fixing the mix but as long as you get to it

[formal hedge]

MIDI editing is a pain in the ass especially when it comes to trying to make things match up

[runic adder]

Is it not on a grid?

[vale vapor]

?

It should be dead easy lol

It aligns to a grid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziy9sn0yghc

[runic adder]

So the bass is MIDI, are the drums MIDI too? Why not just align it the same way you aligned the drums?

[vale vapor]

Yeah exactly

[formal hedge]

@vale vapor @runic adder I think I got the balance better, bass is on time with guitars now as well

[runic adder]

The balance is better

There’s still something off with the timing though

You said you aligned the bass with the guitar—is the guitar live recorded?

I’m assuming recorded guitar, MIDI bass and drum?

[formal hedge]

this is correct

[runic adder]

Align the bass with the drum and re-record the guitar

It falls off in some spots

[formal hedge]

Can't do that rn but I know the guitar goes off beat at times

[runic adder]

If the bass was to align with anything it should be the drums

[vale vapor]

so what is the difficult part of aligning the bass midi on the grid?

[runic adder]

When you get the chance that’s what you gotta fix o7

[formal hedge]

Got it

[fathom jewel]

the mix so far

[runic adder]

That guitar tone is crunchy af

Nice

[karmic plinth]

Oh ill take a look, i only added Compression and EQ to the instruments then Ozone 12 to the master bus so could be that, but I'll take a look and see how I can balance.

I'm in the process of tracking out the drum midi so I can put the put some "oomf" on the kick and snare

[vale vapor]

Yeah just sounds like everything is fighting for volume

Make sure no tracks are clipping (redlining) and that they aren't all too loud being slammed into ozone 12

[karmic plinth]

I think all track are only just just clipping amber, but perhaps too much gain in my interface too just clipping over to Amber in some parts on the interface gain, but definitely no red

[karmic plinth]

Alright, how's this?

I have tracked out the drums and put a played with the EQ, and lowered the volume of the guitars, the snare is now the only thing hitting amber, everything else is what the DAW looks like

[vale vapor]

hitting amber? what does that mean

[karmic plinth]

The colour on the bar, goes Green, Amber, Red

Like this

[vale vapor]

that isn't a good measure to rely on because almost every single daw displays that differently

[vale vapor]

but this does sound a lot more well balanced

guitars could come up a little bit

[karmic plinth]

Ah okay, I'm very new to actually recording and learning all the things,

[vale vapor]

just keep learning youll do great

[karmic plinth]

That better?

[karmic plinth]

Yeah I'm realising how much goes into this, but I week ago I didn't know how to do any of it

[vale vapor]

hahaha

[vale vapor]

sounds great dude, especially for your some of your first mixes

watch Frightbox recordings on youtube, he has so many good tutorials for beginners

[karmic plinth]

Thanks dude, I'll check it out!

[balmy forum]

suse a different sample, turn down the snare bottom, add more 200 boost

[formal hedge]

For a straight-up beginner I'm impressed. I was making hot garbage when I first started and it took me like a year to even get to this stage.

Are you only using one snare sample though? Because to my ears it sounds like a one-shot

[timber forum]

I got my song released this week, just wanted to say thanks everyone on here for the help . I appreciate you guys! https://open.spotify.com/track/7k37JValUW4YtoKz73pKnA?si=8U_pJW3UQG-VvTQiEJaRcw

[balmy forum]

How long have you been doing this lol

[karmic plinth]

Thanks man, i really lock in when i want to learn something new im passionate about