Feedback Requests

[halcyon holly]

Processing drums on multiple channels has been a thing since the 60s

So if you're not going to take my word for it look at an article or two

It really wasn't ever considered a good idea to process drums on one channel, it was just a technical limitation

these days, there is literally 0 reason to do that. You're just fucking up your mix

[fringe geode]

I believe you. It was just more like, I would say still developing.

[halcyon holly]

Yeah that's fine, but why would you encourage it now?

Takes 20 seconds to route out your drums if you know what you're doing, and leads to limitless creative (and technical) possibilities

I think this whole thing can be summed up with: better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it

Krimh drums, perfect drums player!

Perfect drums player is, in my opinion, easily the best free drum vst

[vale vapor]

great kit!

[halcyon holly]

I am so sick

this super flu thing going round the uk rn

shit sucks so bad

[vale vapor]

oh dang 😭 that sucks bro

[fringe geode]

There's so many preprocessed kits it great for people just getting into it.

[vale vapor]

you should still multi route preprocessed stuff

[halcyon holly]

The best way to learn mixing is to actually do the mixing

[fringe geode]

Also for people like musictheory who has trouble with Kontakt i don't blame him.

[vale vapor]

i would say in general i wouldnt tell someone to stereo track their drums unless they want to sound like a 60s recording

[halcyon holly]

You don't learn to drive a car by playing dirt rally

[halcyon holly]

Kontakt is a piece of shit but it's really not that hard

Hell, i'd be willing to make him a preset

[vale vapor]

kontakt hate gang: 🤝

[halcyon holly]

would literally take me 5 mins

daw literacy is really important

Learn your tools etc etc

[fringe geode]

I would say that. But even as someone who knows both, it's still tricky.

[halcyon holly]

I suppose it depends on your priorities

If you're just into songwriting and don't care about the mixing/production side of things, sure, it's tricky

[vale vapor]

very true

[halcyon holly]

If you care about production/engineering/mixing, learn how to use it

[vale vapor]

yeah

exactly

[halcyon holly]

It's an industry standard tool, and being competent in it is invaluable

[vale vapor]

if you just wanna smash out demos and have someone else produce/mix for you, do whatever you want

just make it sound legible for your engineer

[halcyon holly]

don't make me laugh

[vale vapor]

LOL

[halcyon holly]

I've never had a good recording from a "home producer" before

[vale vapor]

sad truth 😔

[fringe geode]

And also I used to not multi out my drums at all. I only started doing that like a year or 2 ago because

I didn't know what I was doing :3

I mean I still don't but y'know.

[vale vapor]

no one knows what theyre doing

:D

[balmy forum]

guys will you all like just end it? scince the 70s 60s who gives a fuck, its 2025 if it sounds fine it sounds fine, some people have different opinions, i like my drums, i hate xenons, they are just opinions, some people have different ways of doing things'

[tender oak]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[balmy forum]

Sorry for the rant i just got fed up

[runic adder]

):

[runic adder]

Since the… 60s 70s

https://tenor.com/view/scp-067-67-6-7-six-seven-sixty-seven-gif-13940852437921483111

[halcyon holly]

Going on a rant about people being allowed their own opinion while getting mad that someone stated their opinion moment

[halcyon holly]

I'd consider you out of the "home producer" bundle atm

[runic adder]

https://tenor.com/view/kathlol-happy-emoji-goofy-emoji-happy-face-happy-face-emoji-gif-2728078433471062380

[vale vapor]

you hate my drums? lol why were you asking me how they sounded so much better earlier?

but anyway

blocked guy discovers why i have him blocked 😱

[runic adder]

damn

[balmy forum]

i was asking you why you think its better

[balmy forum]

he says while shutting down an opinion

[runic adder]

producers try to get along challenge: impossible

[balmy forum]

i wish

[halcyon holly]

Producers are the problem. Engineers are chill

[balmy forum]

so im assuming your a producer

[halcyon holly]

You’re

And no

[balmy forum]

so your just a bad engineer then?

[halcyon holly]

I mean personal insults aren’t really my thing but thank you for proving my point

Again, you’re

It’s cool to have a misunderstanding and have a heated discussion. Throwing lazy insults out is just immature

This industry has been pushed forward for the last god knows how many years from heated debate

Infact, that’s generally how all sciences progress

[balmy forum]

so are we just going to ignore the time you shredded me on the cult of metal server for no reason

i litteraly said "oh hey its you"

[halcyon holly]

I know what you’re liked and warned the mods that you could be an…antagonist

I was also half sarcasm joking

But I can understand why it didn’t come across that way

I’m sorry you still think about the time Ross on discord told the mods to mute you preemptively 💀

It was funny though

Regardless I’vr said it before I have no personal qualms with you

Oh fuck yeah, levelled up

Thanks @balmy forum

[balmy forum]

1st off, ive talked to you like once, 2nd it was not a joke and i think you know that

[halcyon holly]

My first message in COM was “who up playing wit they snake” do you really think I should be taken seriously

Pipe down

Ending this here bc as entertaining as it is I should probably go to sleep

And it really is quite entertaining

[balmy forum]

i wasn't insulting your skills btw, your way better than me I'm sure i was saying that you are just really negative

[halcyon holly]

😂😂

Next time I want to watch something on Netflix I’ll come here instead

Way more fun

[balmy forum]

but like what's your point? i dont understand why we are even talking anymore?

[halcyon holly]

It’s a chat forum

What else would we be doing?

[balmy forum]

yes i am aware, however what are we even talking about, like are you trying to get your point across or are you just being a dick

[halcyon holly]

I am just being a dick 👍

[balmy forum]

then go the fuck to sleep man, go do something better in your life (if you have one) than trolling random people on the internet

[halcyon holly]

I’m sick and off work for a few days give me a break

In the meantime I will catch you next time!

[balmy forum]

then spend time getting better. or mixing which notably i have never seen or heard you do

[halcyon holly]

I’m a fraud what can I say

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

[balmy forum]

go to sleep man

[halcyon holly]

Yeah maybe

Anyway I bought a 5900x

Got it for £180

Which I thought was a great deal

Installation will be a pain in that’s I’m sure

I have no idea where my thermal paste is

[balmy forum]

are you bragging or making a point or somthing?

[halcyon holly]

No I was just informing my fellow PC nerds

I know there’s a couple in here

What cpu do you have?

[balmy forum]

oh cool

[halcyon holly]

I’m currently running a 2700x lmaoo

Nothing to brag about

[balmy forum]

lemme check

its a ridiculous bottle neck, i just have an i7 but i am running a 2080 Super for gpu

[halcyon holly]

2080 super is a good GPU from my understanding

I got a 5060ti 16gb at home, at work I’m on a Mac Pro 2019 which is the audio workstation machine so it’s not got a great gpu

It has like 2tb of ram though lmao

[balmy forum]

the pc was built for lighting and video pre visualization

its getting old but it does the job

[halcyon holly]

I see, yeah you might wanna upgrade at some point depending on the exact intel i7 model

[balmy forum]

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9700F CPU @ 3.00GHz

i think the pc is coming up on 11 years now?

[halcyon holly]

About equivalent to a 3700x

So honestly not too bad

3ghz is a bit slow though

[balmy forum]

eh its still a fuckin power house, but for some reason it just explodes as soon as i load mincraft education

but it can run every app at the same time and not lag, so its doing well i guess

[vale vapor]

Insane convo rn

[balmy forum]

How

[fathom jewel]

something weird happens when it is not multi outed, the OH don't sound widely panned enough

[vale vapor]

it creates all sorts of problems down the line

[balmy forum]

Guys it’s not that I don’t want to multi out, I literally can’t

[fathom jewel]

just try bro, keep trying

you're more likely to get it done in reaper imo

[balmy forum]

I have it literally doesn’t work it’s not a daw issue, my install is broken

Ive emailed ggd

[vale vapor]

You should screen record yourself doing it

So someone can see if you're doing it right

It does sound like a bug tho

[fathom jewel]

he is just 2-3 clicks away from glory

right click kontakt, select build multichannel outputs

[balmy forum]

I’ve done that trust me

[fathom jewel]

and then change the output in ggd from stereo to multi out, but make sure the output faders that I have encircled are created first

it should be like that by default I think

[balmy forum]

You have okw nu metal?

[fathom jewel]

yes

[balmy forum]

It’s so good

[fathom jewel]

it gets even better after it is multi outed

[balmy forum]

this is my problem, i cant select anything but st.1

YES IS DID IT

I DIDDNT EVEN RELISE I HAD MODERN AND MASSIVE

I guess my install was bugged for okw

[versed remnant]

Some things i'm working on for the album, neither of these are mastered yet

@vale vapor @tribal orbit

[tribal orbit]

I’m junting it

Second one is very Metroid sounding

[versed remnant]

Me too twin

[versed remnant]

Is that a good thing

[tribal orbit]

Ye

[fathom jewel]

JUNT

[halcyon holly]

No, this “only seeing st.1” thing means you’ve improperly configured the outputs. Not that your software is glitched

[runic adder]

i mean yeah a bug like that would a. have to live in the installer and b. get patched p fast

good ya fixed it though

enjoy learning how to process drums, i know damn well it took me a long time to figure out

pro tip before you absolutely kill your snare: don't go crazy with saturation on the snare

it'll kill the transient and take away all the snap and the crackle and the pop

[vale vapor]

Exactly

[tender oak]

https://tenor.com/view/snap-crackle-pop-rice-krispies-cereal-commercial-gif-20524328

[balmy forum]

i dont have distressor or saturator anyway

[balmy forum]

@vale vapor @kind trail i just stumbled across these stems and re did them is there anything i can improve?

fuck i just relised there is reverb on the master chain

gimmie a sec

[hollow estuary]

harddd

thornhill inspo

[runic adder]

erm distressor is a specific plugin while saturator is a broad term referring to multiple plugins that have a similar effect ☝️

[runic adder]

rhythm guitars and bass have room to come up

[balmy forum]

Erm Distressor is a piece of analog hardware not a plugin

[runic adder]

ok lmao go buy one

[balmy forum]

lol

I have a spare 6 grand

/j

[runic adder]

just get the plugin lmao

there's a free reaper version lol

[finite coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1301486083326083094/1449731316680626276/2025-12-14_11-53-30.mp4?ex=693ff700&is=693ea580&hm=e1f9819f3a3509f8e73f6a329e943877d3ca229379fd425552e8190e7c5857e2&

[cerulean storm]

The last song of my seasons album and the longest song I've ever made, 'Winter Lights':

https://open.spotify.com/track/7N2Pxy5VbJGCjiQ83U7cdh?si=d8624179dfaf4de4

[balmy forum]

rice bubbles reference

[balmy forum]

hey for some reason okw and modern and massive are taking turns working

[balmy forum]

nurture vibes

[vale vapor]

the kick is pretty clippy, the guitar sounds really thin

those are my main two gripes

[balmy forum]

ok

[runic adder]

the tiktok brainrot consumes

unfortunately this is one of my favorite mixes I've done lmao

[fringe geode]

Then there's me who's just here for the food.

[hollow estuary]

i like the fxs

[tender oak]

Very Boomer Shooter soundtrack sounding. Doom / Mick Gordon vibes. I'd shoot demons to it.

[halcyon holly]

There's an awkward space between the drums and the rest of the instruments, you should try and close that up. I'd say limiting, bus compression and clipping is where to start. I'd also say the snare needs a bigger reverb/room going on

[balmy forum]

feed back on everything? i have no idea any more

[balmy forum]

holy fuck

[vale vapor]

the kick sounds kinda thin and lacking body, also the overheads are too loud as well

the balancing overall is weird

synths too loud, kick and snare too quiet, bass too loud, overheads too loud

[fringe geode]

Kick is indeed really thin, the overheads are fine right now but id check them again after a rebalance of levels. Bass is very present and everything seems to drown out the main rhythm guitars, leaving the shoegazy ones way too present.

[runic adder]

why does the snare at 3:34 have so much more transient than the rest of the song?

[balmy forum]

its meant to be a snare bomb lol

[runic adder]

for a snare bomb i think you want more body/reverb/ping, not necessarily more transient

[vale vapor]

Yeah

My snarebombs are reverse snare with the transient taken out, with reverb added

Zero transient

[balmy forum]

it was like a 2 sec thing

[runic adder]

repeated throughout the verse

it sounds more like a super pokey snare than a snare bomb

[balmy forum]

No as in I made it in 2 seconds

[runic adder]

i see

[vale vapor]

can you send the snarebomb sample itself

it honestly does sound really bad i didnt even notice that until now lol

[vale vapor]

yeah i would take out the transient

just use the swell at the beginning and the tail at the end

i dont even know how you got that sample to sound like that

how are you processing it?

[balmy forum]

It’s just a reverse snare

The is like 1 compressor

[finite coral]

something sounds weird but i cant pinpoint what it is

[tender oak]

Almost sounds like a compressor is hitting too hard or something, like it's being crushed at certain points.

[finite coral]

whole mix or some instrument

[tender oak]

Kinda sounds like whole mix, you got a bus compressor on the master or on the instrumental itself glueing it together? Could be hitting too hard. It's almost like the song is waving in and out.

Could also do with some re-equing. This is purely on my phone I'm listening so take it with a grain of salt but it sounds a little high on the air and a little thin in the body.

[finite coral]

not exactly my song im just doing the guitars drums and bass for a friend and i cant exactly tell whats wrong but i dont wanna give him wrong info

[finite coral]

the guitar is meant to be a little bouncy, its sidechained with the kick im prett ysure

[tender oak]

Yeah not sure, that's just what's standing out to my ear. Perhaps it's a little too bouncy, but that could just be me.

[fringe geode]

This fucks.

One note, I feel like there's a lot more sub then there should be. But my dumbass can't quite tell.

[finite coral]

heres that but with his vocals

[fringe geode]

The vocals are getting drowned out a little bit but otherwise its nearly perfect.

[finite coral]

thought so too

[fringe geode]

@finite coral

Wot u think

Heavy Tremonti inspiration.

[finite coral]

that tone is so good ww

[fringe geode]

Neural Mark IIC+ with a custom IR made in ML MIKKO 2

[finite coral]

wait i think u were right i just tried to lower sub a little it sounds cleaner

still strange but better i think

[finite coral]

cymbals sound really far thou

maybe its just me i just like my cymbals

[fringe geode]

Much better.

[fringe geode]

I have to be careful with cymbals. Tinnitus sucks.

[finite coral]

yeah i got tinnitus too its so annoying

[fathom jewel]

reusing old project synth patches

[tender oak]

Entered into a vocal contest on youtube. Been hammering away at this for about a month. Enjoyed the hell outta it. Instrumentals are from YouTube, vocals and prod are mine. Wanted to share the clip here, see what yall thought. Hope ya'll enjoy!
https://youtube.com/shorts/-GD112ZU_H8?feature=share

[balmy forum]

Your mixes are so fuckin good

[versed lichen]

yo first time posting give me the honest takes

[formal hedge]

Make the auto tune only apply to the rap parts, just use like Melodyne or something like it for the other parts, otherwise sounds great

[versed lichen]

TYSM! Sadly vocals were an old stem with effects printed so I couldn’t control that, but noted for future for sure.

[formal hedge]

I see, stuff like that happens occasionally

[versed lichen]

devo meets mindless self indulgence lol love it

[fringe geode]

My first Sonic cover in a long time. Not complete yet, some things need to be re-recorded and need to be added but here you go!

All guitar tones were made using Archetype Plini X.

[balmy igloo]

Sonic Unleashed was an awesome game

[fringe geode]

Yes it was.

[balmy igloo]

I do a bit of production

[drifting hawk]

this is my first time recording something, while unfinished I was looking for some general feedback on it

[fringe geode]

This is cool af.

Reminds me of a song off Blue Stahli's Deadchannel Trilogy.

[fringe geode]

Also I wanted to say before, but I am a big Sonic fan. I've already covered I Am All of Me, Knight of the Wind (which was a bitch), and His World (Zebrahead version).

[balmy igloo]

Thank you so much! Was going for a Nine Inch Nails vibe

[balmy igloo]

Based! You gotta do a cover of Live and Learn bro

[fringe geode]

I'm learning it. But unlike Ohtani's writing style which more straightforward, Senoue uses a lot of 80s hair metal tricks. Meaning a lot of string skipping and single note sections that expand into weird chords.

[balmy igloo]

And so much whammy bar

[fringe geode]

Plus he doesn't drop tune, he mostly does standard tuning. So something like I Am All of Me is in C standard not drop C, but entirely playable that way so I was able to cheese it. But Knight of the Wind for example is in D Standard (if I remember correctly) so there's no cheesing that. Just gotta raw dog it.

[balmy igloo]

Bro you should do a YouTube video on Sonic music. You know your stuff. That's awesome

[fringe geode]

Which I don't do with my original stuff lol. The only guitar I have that can do it is my PRS. My Strat trem is decked and my LTD is hardtail.

[balmy igloo]

Oh, Team Dark Theme from Sonic Heroes is also a banger

[balmy igloo]

LTDs are cool

[fringe geode]

Ye. That wasn't Senoue though. That was made by Julien-K, which is 2 of the main guys from Orgy who did their own thing after Orgy disbanded. Ironically, Team Dark's theme song is actually the first song they ever released.

[balmy igloo]

Orgy wtf really. That is crazy.

I'm telling you bro you should start a YouTube series on Sonic music. Would go hard.

[fringe geode]

I have a channel but it's mostly just me gaming with friends now. It's funny cuz I started doing Chao videos when I was...what 9?

[fringe geode]

Yeah man there's a lot of weird artists from the 80s and 90s that have appeared in Sonic's music during Senoue's time as the primary songwriter and music director for the series.

Magna-Fi is one of my favorites. They're the original creators of the All Hail Shadow theme before Crush 40 became known for it.

[balmy forum]

i like it, kinda reminds me of blink

[fringe geode]

The song was written by Tomoyo Ohtani, but it was performed by Bowling for Soup.

Hence the big pop punk vibes.

In fact Jaret (Bowling for Soup's singer) said when they came in to do the song, he was surprised to see it was already written. The only original part of the song that they did was the lyrics.

[formal hedge]

Thoughts? My apologies for the fact that it's recorded this way

[fringe geode]

Will look at it when home.

[vale vapor]

You got discord on that pc just export it 😭

[formal hedge]

I know I will in a second

[vale vapor]

My advice is double track the guitar

100% L and 100% R

That's how you track guitar 99% of the time

Don't single track or pan less than 100% both ways unless you want it to sound narrow

[runic adder]

working on a cover of Iron Sacrament by SotS

[fringe geode]

I'd say there's 2 reasons to not go 100%.

1. You're quad tracking. Your gonna want some guitar in the middle left and middle right.

2. Even if you're dual tracking having some guitars in middle for some songs ain't a bad idea. Fills out space more. You can then use a Stereo Manipulator Plugin to bring out the leftmost and rightmost guitars. But that's a very specific sound.

[formal hedge]

Here ya go mate

[vale vapor]

1. I always still quad track at 100%, i don't like any of my rhythm guitar in the middle
2. This works if its like a guitar solo or lead line over rhythm parts

[fringe geode]

You quad at 100? How tf does that work, wouldn't the guitars just blend into each other at that point?

[vale vapor]

I tell people not to quad track if its all the same part, cause that just sounds like mud

It sounds phasey

I only quad track if each pair has a different part

Like two leads harmonizing over two rhythms

[fringe geode]

Ohhhh

[vale vapor]

I will never track quad rhythm of the same part

It just sounds bad lol

Even if you're perfectly on time

It's weird

I actually used to do that cause i wanted my guitar to sound "thicker" but the truth was i really needed a better tone

[fringe geode]

Yeah it does sound weird. I know JST has this trick where he pitches down two of the tracks a whole octave and thats how he gets away with it. But idk how other ppl do it.

[vale vapor]

Yeah that's different cause its pitched

It's drastically different

Usually that layer is quieter too

Same deal as like using an octaver

But if each one is the same pitch and same part it sounds bad lol

[fringe geode]

Yeah. But I'm not sure how ppl like Spiritbox get away with quad tracking the same part.

[vale vapor]

Dan braunstein does the same thing

He pitches it

[fringe geode]

Oh he does?

[vale vapor]

Yeah i saw him talk about it on NTM

I've never heard anyone quad track without changing the second pair at least a little lol

[fringe geode]

I do it by having some guitars in the middle. That layer is quieter but it adds some oomf and blends with the bass nicely.

I don't always do it tho because sometimes the bass likes to misbehave.

Actually it does that a lot lol.

[vale vapor]

If i want mid distortion I'll crank up the mids and treble on the bass

That always gives it a nasty thick sound

[fringe geode]

@vale vapor I actually do it a little bit here.

[vale vapor]

Maybe stop doing it 😅

LOL

Ah i can hear it

Also doing that could cause mono compatibility issues but I'm not THAT nerdy about it so i cant say for sure

[fringe geode]

Lol most of the time my bass tone sucks cuz I dunno how to dial in bass well. But in this song it works well. Darkglass is handling the mids and highs (the Vintage Modern) while Parallax is handling the lows. It worked surprisingly well.

[vale vapor]

Oh sick

Yeah just crank those mid highs

I recently started putting an LA2A after my bass amp and it really gives it more twang and a more consistent sound

Kinda just levels everything out evenly

[fringe geode]

I usually throw on a limiter. I have tried using different comps to even them out. But something I started doing was throwing tape saturation on bass.

It's fuckin nasty.

[vale vapor]

Ooo

[fringe geode]

Yeah man it's a fuckin cool sound. But it gets out of control real fuckin quick.

[vale vapor]

LOL

[fringe geode]

But man it's like a thicker meaner bass sound, try it out.

Thank Hardcore Music Studio for that tidbit.

[finite coral]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-hamm-jonhamm-jon-jon-hamm-dancing-club-dancing-gif-9837026988511234852

[fringe geode]

Dual track them guitars and hard pan em left and right

[fringe geode]

Old school Death Metal tone is nice. Does not work with the song sadly.

[fringe geode]

You got potential my guy! Your guitars are on point (sound like Archetype Gojira). Just gotta work on bass and drums now. I can tell them drums are EZD2. Not a diss I use EZD3.

[versed lichen]

Thanks man ya spot on. Any advice on where to go for better programmed bass and drum tones?

[fringe geode]

Programed Bass is beyond me. Programmed drums EZD3 is actually great and I use it all the time. It's all about how u mix it.

@versed lichen

Here's an example

This is EZD3. But Im using bits from EZD2.

[balmy igloo]

Just gotta get good at midi programming.

Some DAWs like Ableton let you convert audio to midi which helps a lot

Highly recommend X-Bass for Kontakt and Fotis Drums

Or like Chao said EZ Drummer

You can find everything on google

[versed lichen]

I programmed the bass and the drums on the clip I posted just need something for better bass tones.

Will check those out! yeah I google stuff all day but it's nice to hear from people about what works for them too haha

did this one today

[fringe geode]

When the riff comes in it goes hard. With a little bit of mixing this could really hard.

[slender finch]

couldve use more sidechain on that 🙂‍↕️

doing a couple programming & mix practice outta a couple new vsts and libs, prob super gen z arrangement but eh

[versed lichen]

This is cool

[versed lichen]

Thank u! 🙏

[fringe geode]

Damn this is a big step up. Bring up that bass a little bit, not by much, tho by like 1 or 2 dB.

[fringe geode]

DAMN this was fire. Wish I could mix like this.

[balmy forum]

sounds a bit to compressed and the guitars are bit to loud and bassy in the breakdown the reverb needs to be equalized also, GGD nu metal?

might just be your style tho

[vale vapor]

reverb needs to be eq'd? wdym lol

[vale vapor]

i love the production, i do think the drums are causing the mix to pump way too much though

[balmy igloo]

Probably low cutting the reverb

[blazing bobcat]

thall

[vale vapor]

grossbeat is just dblue glitch but different

[blazing bobcat]

I know I'm off-beat but honestly it doesn't really matter unless I decide to release it

[blazing bobcat]

I know, they're so based

[slender finch]

could've been too much sidechain might need to run different trigger for the breakdown section i agree

[slender finch]

yea its ggd nu metal

[vale vapor]

i wouldnt personally use a midi trigger when it comes to metal. that method works great with edm, but with metal you kinda want a different effect when it comes to sidechain

i typically do sidechain compression on my bass from the kick about -3db sometimes more or less depending on the song

and if i really want pumping ill sidechain my guitars to my snare by like -0.5 db

[slender finch]

oh i dont lol

[vale vapor]

oh lmao are you just slamming it into a compressor

[slender finch]

kind off, its a super old trick i had ages ago. basically i just run sample triggers thru limiter built in ducking outta comp

[vale vapor]

i would just send it through a regular compressor 😅

[slender finch]

works better for my workflow + adjustable trigger wether i need it shorter or longer + param on knee / release

i never liked how shaperbox3/kickstart sidechains unless its 4/4

[vale vapor]

yeah i dont really see any need for that type of sidechain at all in metal unless you're trying to do something with an edm or trance kick

for metal drums, it's safe to stick with a regular compressor setup lol

[runic adder]

New signs of the swarm album bangs

No clue how I’ll perform the vocals with enough variation to distinguish David’s parts from Phil’s but I’ll work it out

[balmy igloo]

That sounds crazy

[tidal stream]

Honestly love how it sounds off beat for some reason

[brave otter]

could i get some feedback on the breakdown in this song? i don't really ever do modern deathcore breakdowns so idk if it is too jank

breakdown starts like 4:30

there will be vocals over it but rn its just instrumental

[balmy forum]

is it just me or is this snare perfect

[runic adder]

it's a snare ¯_(ツ)_/¯

lets hearr it in a mix

[balmy igloo]

Production is very nice. Love the clean guitars at like 5:20. I think the breakdown could use some more staccato riffage. But it sounds good to me. Great job.

[vale vapor]

Restrains kit >>>>

love it

im wanting a little more bass, the bass feels a bit quiet

[brave otter]

thanks, i def see that, ima try to find more vildjarta and hlb songs to reference for that style so i got more rhythms i can use. also i forgot to say but the production is just from a youtube video on how to make a metal mix in reaper. only tones i meade were for the clean ones lmao

[brave otter]

def will for the final mix, the one im using is stolen from a youtube tutorial. the low guitar is literally j the 5th string of a bass accross a plank of wood with a guitar pickup and i j recorded it in every track, so il def make sure it has a dedicated bass track to bring that louder

i took the regular bass out because the bassist is prob gonna use the guitar stick live while me and the other guitarist do the clean parts

[vale vapor]

😐 what

LOL

why 😭 😭

sounds like a headache

[brave otter]

i made it in highschool as a joke and it will def be memorable live

[vale vapor]

fair

[brave otter]

bottom picture is the jank ass killswitch which is why it was making a bunch of weird sounds during the stutter part at the end

i think i was accidentally touching the side with the wires and adding a bunch of emi

[waxen grotto]

is this like in general a good track? ive been working on this one for a while (im pretty new to making music so i know this is definitley nowhere near being professional quality, i just wanna hear if this sounds like decent)

also the guitars and stuff are midi, im not talented enough to play all of this myself

[balmy igloo]

Bro this is fire. You nailed that Doom Eternal vibe. Very impressive for being new to production.

[waxen grotto]

Well I'm relatively new not like new new

I'm closing in on like 2 years

[vale vapor]

my #1 critique is LEARN GUITAR, i know it's super daunting

but it will benefit you in the long run

alot of this doom style stuff is really simple to play, just lots of open notes, not too many hard riffs

midi guitar always sounds pretty robotic

[vale vapor]

but with the mix, i think the transition synth sections are a bit too loud compared to the metal parts, so when the metal parts hit they sound kinda anticlimactic. Guitars should be a bit louder as well, and a little brighter.

[waxen grotto]

im in the process of learning it right now, im planning on trying to make something with real guitar since i have collected all the equipment needed and etc

[vale vapor]

Awesome

[waxen grotto]

thanks for the advice, ill try figuring out how to fix this

[vale vapor]

Just make the synth sections quieter, make sure the metal instrumentation takes priority over the synth stuff

i also think the mix as a whole could use more compression

[balmy igloo]

Yeah this guy gets it just turn the guitars up a bit and boom it's ready for a video.

I think the midi guitars sound fine. I honestly couldn't even tell. 8/9 string guitars are so expensive, just keep cranking out tunes and you'll grift enough for a sweet guitar 😎

[vale vapor]

Or just play a six string and pitch shift

No need to buy an 8 or 9

[compact raft]

this is the way, pitch shifter plugins becoming better so you don´t really notice after distorting (in the mix anyway)

[runic adder]

yeah i've gotten my 6 string to hit drop c1 while my seven is out of commission lol

shits crazy

[runic adder]

icarus both alive and dead until I look into this box but i cannot because of copyright

sounds sick lol

[vale vapor]

In one of my bands upcoming songs, we play in drop A and have a breakdown that hits an octave lower LMAO

[fringe geode]

@balmy igloo

This should tickle ur tism.

I made this about a year ago before I switched to EZD3 for my main source of drum tones.

No lyrics cuz I wasn't using SynthV yet.

[vale vapor]

Sick snare

What's that snare

[fringe geode]

It's a combination of GGD Aggressive Rock and Metal.

[vale vapor]

it sounds fire

i like how you're compressing the drum bus

sounds very full

[fringe geode]

I was at that time in the process of creating what Misha called The Frankenkit.

[fringe geode]

Tbh I don't even remember what I did. I made that in like...2 to 3 hours for shits n giggles (the song is a bit of meme between me and my SO).

[vale vapor]

LOL

[vale vapor]

thats basically my drumkit lol, a frankenstein kit made of 3-4 different sample packs and drumkits

[fringe geode]

I want to try to rip the cymbal samples from GGD Aggressive Rock because they are by far my favorite cymbals in any drum plugin I've tried.

[vale vapor]

oh really?

i havent heard em

[fringe geode]

If I remember correctly they're Sabians?

But let me double check.

[vale vapor]

Ive actually gotten really burnt out on the nolly cymbal sound, i used GGD architects for ages and i have those cymbals burned into my eardrums 😭

[fringe geode]

Yeah the cymbals are Sabians.

[fringe geode]

I will admit when it comes to shells the Nolly shell sound is really nice but a bit....lifeless (like his guitar tone, no I'm not apologizing) minus the snare, but damn is his cymbal game on point.

[vale vapor]

Bro his kicks sound flat af

idk what it is

its like he hates using room on his kicks

[vale vapor]

i mean his cymbals sound ridiculously clean

but ive just heard them so much i hate them now

LOL

[fringe geode]

I don't mind clean cymbals. I have tinnitus. So it very appealing for me XD

[vale vapor]

i also have a little bit of tinnitus lol

[fringe geode]

I understand why. Depending on the room it can really muddy up the kick. As far as I understand, a lot of the OKWs are recorded in different rooms.

[vale vapor]

i LOVEEEE kick rooms

i have super roomy kicks LOL

let me send you my fav drum mix ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZO5qKtrw74

the whole kit is so roomy i love it

[fringe geode]

Oh yeah I hear it.

I'm surprised how well it works considering metalcore isn't known for super roomy drum tones.

[vale vapor]

It sounds incredible LOL

i asked the producer how he got that sound and its actually really interesting

[fringe geode]

It's definitely a vibe.

Oh? What'd he say?

[vale vapor]

lemme get the screenshot

really interesting

[fringe geode]

So live tracked but with added triggers....and what's Gate Chaining?

[vale vapor]

pretty sure he's just talking about sidechaining his close snare mic to his room mics

so with each snare hit the rooms duck and then really pop out

[fringe geode]

Ohhhhh interestiiiing.

[vale vapor]

Im super curious about the SUPERSNARE sample LOL

[fringe geode]

Speaking of rooms that is something I do miss about GGD stuff. Their rooms were GOATED. A lot of that snare sound from my Sonic cover has a lot of room. I miss being able to control each individual piece of kit's room mic whereas EZD3 only has 1 master control for that.

[vale vapor]

very true

[fringe geode]

I'm able to get around that by super compressing the room and then adding a limiter just for volume and then sliding it in and it makes the drum more cohesive but it ain't the same.

[vale vapor]

LOL

yeah valid

you ever tried stacking reverbs?

i never even considered it til i saw someone stack a plate verb and a convolution verb on a snare

[fringe geode]

Yeah. I use the Valhalla Reverb plugin. So a couple of times what I did was used one type of reverb on the snare and room and a different one on the drum bus. It worked. Slightly messy but fuck it right?

[balmy igloo]

This does tickle my tism 😁

[vale vapor]

oh sick LOL

[fringe geode]

I was basically using reverb to try to create a room.

But I know there are plugins that can simulate a room of your choice which I'm curious if they even work.

[vale vapor]

reminds me of my old days of production

i used to think room mics were useless and not important

i used SSD5.5 and took out the rooms

😭

sounded horrible

did the same thing with the architects kit lol

🤮

from 2022 LOL

[fringe geode]

Oof. The room is vibe man. Currently u would smack past u in the face like "WHAT ARE U DOING. UR KILLING THE VIBE"

[vale vapor]

yes LOL

[fringe geode]

Not bad. But not good either lol.

[vale vapor]

LOL

its bad

its also super muddy

[fringe geode]

Mud can be looked past. Can be fixed.

Lack of vibe is punishable by death.

[vale vapor]

LMAO

i also went through a production phase of only using my physical amp to track guitar (no di, just distorted signal)

it was through my little marshal practice amps' virtual output

i was plagued with noise and interference signal lol

[fringe geode]

I did too it's okay lol.

Dusty I see u 👀

[fathom jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-gif-2405038352056726836

[vale vapor]

guys should i finish this

its a demo i forgot about lol

i found it just now searching through files

[fringe geode]

Yes

[vital briar]

https://youtube.com/shorts/muQOeXFX5vQ?si=wvnYnKfFc81D1lQq
Been seeing this thing everywhere, is it actually good for the price?

[versed remnant]

Working on something a lil different for a side project, i have no idea how to mix this kinda stuff so feedback is much appreciated https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HXKV_VlwKtZbXMo7FISTwEaHuGr2R33m/view?usp=drivesdk

[balmy forum]

this is cool

is it to compressed?

[balmy forum]

TF?

what happened

[vale vapor]

the first edition sounds better, and yes, it sounds too compressed

your kick is also very thin and clicky

and also, in each bar of 7/8, the next bar comes pretty unexpectedly, so if i were you i'd add a fill at the end of each bar of 7/8 so the listener knows it's going to the next bar early

[balmy forum]

if you wanna go super thornhill and get like a dark pool snare, find where your snare spikes in the low end

its usually like around 200-250

[fluid fox]

How did you get that guitar tone? it sounds so clean, what pickup did you use?

[balmy forum]

it could use a cut at 4k

and more low end

[vale vapor]

that's midi guitar

[fringe geode]

That's Midi guitar.

[vale vapor]

lol

[kind trail]

Does my prechorus make me Trve Kvlt yet?

[fluid fox]

No way 😂 what plugin

[balmy forum]

I don’t understand your texting

Asking what plugin on a master mix

Which fucking one 🤣

[fluid fox]

Mb I was asking about the midi guitar vst

[vale vapor]

Probably Shreddage

Don't use midi guitar tho

😭

Just learn real guitar

[blissful cliff]

Fr

Basic drop tuning power chords are super easy to learn

And you can do so much with them

[vale vapor]

Yep!

[kind trail]

This sounds more like new Northlane than Mick Gordon lmao

Like Obsidian and Mirror's Edge

[hollow estuary]

id take this as compliment haha

[kind trail]

Fair enough I like new Northlane, so I meant it like one

[fluid fox]

Dw I do, I was just curious

[cerulean storm]

First new concept in a while

[vale vapor]

guitar is way too loud and overpowers the drums

the drums are almost inaudible

idea is very cool but everything sounds smashed together

[cerulean storm]

I know, I've barely even started mixing

Thanks by the way

[formal hedge]

Lowkey not bad but where is the DRUM ROOM

[vale vapor]

gone LOL

also it is bad

i made that years ago

that was back when i thought drum room was useless

[balmy forum]

oh lol

sorry

[hollow estuary]

i think mix could make it better, but i like riffs and ambience with that melody

[cerulean storm]

Thank you! Yeah, I'm fiddling with it now. I just started and projects usually takes forever for me. Plus, I have a feeling this is going to be a long one.

[balmy forum]

wait

issnt that silver swarm

[hollow estuary]

thornill is 24/7 on my speakers so it could be 😭

[balmy forum]

its some sort of thaenhill

tf

[cerulean storm]

😂

[balmy forum]

speeling

fucking english man

[hollow estuary]

its more practising stuff than actual songs tbh

im trying to do my best with mixing

[balmy forum]

wait no thats northlane

[cerulean storm]

There. I fiddled with it a bit and now it sounds a little bit better.

[hollow estuary]

try to reduce some limiting and compression, and try to make headroom

[vale vapor]

yeah needs way more space, drums are still drowned out and smashed

[hollow estuary]

every instrument in mix is fighting

[vale vapor]

yep

the piano in the background sounds like its causing everything to duck down

[hollow estuary]

try to mix with starting point with -12dB on every track, then level on low volume and balance

[vale vapor]

yes

[hollow estuary]

and then little compression, eq

cut off unecessesary frequencies

[balmy forum]

sounds like Cortana is about to tell you this cave is not a natural formation

[vale vapor]

what

[cerulean storm]

I don't get it either

[balmy forum]

have you never played halo

[cerulean storm]

No

Never played it.

[balmy forum]

gimmie a sec lol

[vale vapor]

i'd move to a gaming channel 😭

[balmy forum]

its at 27 sec

[balmy forum]

someonewill get the reference eventually

[cerulean storm]

This sound better or no? @vale vapor @hollow estuary

[vale vapor]

a little better, still hearing a lot of crunching

what do your levels look like?

[cerulean storm]

Levels on what?

[vale vapor]

levels of all your mixer tracks

[formal hedge]

Ss the mixer

Then send it over

[cerulean storm]

Master track?

[formal hedge]

Your entire mixer

[cerulean storm]

My entire mixer? I'm not familiar with something like that. I mix in Reaper.

[vale vapor]

all of your tracks

i also mix in reaper lol

you can also do view > mixer

[cerulean storm]

Oh, that is the mixer. Sorry for being slow, I just work with these things, not always knowing what is called what.

You want just a screenshot or specific numbers?

[vale vapor]

screenshot would be easiest lol

[cerulean storm]

Does this tell you anything?

[vale vapor]

well you aren't clipping or redlining so that's good

[cerulean storm]

Yup

So what could it be then?

[scarlet brook]

whipped this up kinda on a whim, you guys probably know way more about this kinda thing than i do. any thoughts or feedback?

im slamming the SHIT out of the mix bus 💔🥀

[formal hedge]

Wtf even

That snare belongs in hell

[fringe geode]

JESUS CHRIST

SYNTHV even with PRO is a gigantic PAIN IN MY ASS.

Some of the lyric timing placement needs slight adjustments im aware but any thoughts on the mix itself?

The lyrics are also still incomplete.

[vale vapor]

Sing it yourself!!

You can do it!!

[runic adder]

Getting synthv so I can have a teto voicebank and make her be racist

[vale vapor]

LOL

[balmy forum]

lollll

hey im trying to recreate the drums on this song

https://open.spotify.com/track/7iD5D3ocuy6ndBUW06eLzJ?si=a29e892da1ed445c

am i close

[runic adder]

as in like the sound of the drums?

cause I do not recall thar drum beat anywhere in the song

[balmy forum]

ye

[runic adder]

Close enough

Sounds fine

[balmy forum]

help does this sound bad @vale vapor

i fixed up the processing

better sample rate

[tidal stream]

Am writing the rhythm guitar, and tbh, not sure what to do in the first half of the vers

[vale vapor]

it sounds fine

idk

[fringe geode]

Heeeeeeeeell to the naaaaaaaaaawwwww

In my fuckin dreams maybe.

Also not exactly in an environment where I can actually do that soooo big oof.

[balmy forum]

i need HARD feed back on this mix

its being released

this is the final

[vale vapor]

the kick is really clicky, and the drums have alot of like 5k?

[formal hedge]

Low pass the kick, boost in the bass area

[formal hedge]

Also doesn't work too well as a full song, feels like an intro

[vale vapor]

Lowpass the kick? 🤨

I would just say reduce the highs

[formal hedge]

Remove the clickyness

[vale vapor]

Lowpass is to cut out all highs, we don't want that

It would sound like its underwater

We don't want to get rid of all highs entirely

We just want to reduce them by a few db

[balmy forum]

any thing else?

[vale vapor]

is that the entire song?

[ashen basin]

thing I'm working on before the year (still have a lot to work on)

I still need to master this like. badly

[mighty terrace]

It’s not fully cleanly played yet but it’s a banger riff

[balmy forum]

yep

its the intro song

[formal hedge]

Ohhhhh

[balmy forum]

lol

[formal hedge]

Now I get it

[naive owl]

Ignore the title it isn't scrapped

[blissful cliff]

chat is simpler sometimes heavier?

[blissful cliff]

chonky

[balmy forum]

yeah absolutley

knocked loose

snd song done

i also noticed that on the master chain there is a horrible screeching at 2k, i cut it in this mix

is that what i should do

[cerulean storm]

Now the song is completely planned out.

[vale vapor]

song is super bass heavy currently

[balmy forum]

bass guitar down or just like eq wise

[vale vapor]

As a whole

[balmy forum]

cool

@vale vapor

[fluid hamlet]

Please go check my new yt series out https://youtu.be/UnugCllh500?si=RawefyHrPeDpICae

[balmy forum]

more feed back required

[finite coral]

you were right so heres another shot in the dark if you recognize this by any chance 😭

[finite coral]

i dont like the guitar tone but the drums sound cool

[solemn lotus]

Hello dudes, I released album today, I would be happy if you listened to it
https://youtu.be/j2P-R7nkBiY?si=mxwQJm4OTd8naIt3

[empty roost]

benn finishing up a song. what do we think so far? no vocals yet

@vale vapor hey bbg

[vale vapor]

what drumkit?

[empty roost]

buster

[vale vapor]

ah ye

i shouldve figured lol

[vale vapor]

production is sick, mix is a little dark, personally i want more mids but that's just me

song is sick overall

[empty roost]

the song matches up with ref tracks so its prolly your headphones lmoa

[vale vapor]

im listening on monitors

ref track could be dark ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Its not crazy dark just a tad bit

[empty roost]

itll fix itself when i track vox

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1271268729241604109/1454306270122213376/togif.gif

[vale vapor]

Lmao

[balmy forum]

does this suck?

[formal hedge]

Sounds a bit harsh ngl

The guitar parts don't mesh well together

Try fresh air on the melodic layer

[vale vapor]

@storm furnace

[vale vapor]

so the main thing with the drums is that they're fully processed

the guitar sounds very raw, which is fine if that's what you're going for

but the drums don't fit well with the guitar

the sound selection could improve

there's lots of free and cheap drum library alternatives out there

and you can always clean up the tone a little

[storm furnace]

should i try to change it to the unprocessed drums on the odeholm drums and try to mix it myself

[vale vapor]

yes

that would definitely work better with the guitar tone, and it would teach you how to process drums along the way!

[storm furnace]

how would i clean up the tone

[vale vapor]

make sure they're multi routed (aka kick to channel 1, snare to channel 2, etc)

[vale vapor]

sounds like there's some noise interference, i'd move further from your computer while recording or use a noise reduction plugin, and some EQ to cut the lows below 100

some general EQ would be good

[storm furnace]

i dont want it to be too clean. im using the zack householder( whitechapel guitarist) presets in archetype misha mansoor

[vale vapor]

I promise you it wont be too clean

[storm furnace]

so just up the threshold on the noise gate on it

[vale vapor]

no, not exactly

noise reduction and noise gate are different

[vale vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTjgqnnj6d0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV5JtNOETCM

i'd watch these two videos to help you get started

[storm furnace]

i know how to do that already

[vale vapor]

everyone can use a brush up now and again ;)

[storm furnace]

i just wasnt doing it because i was trying to keep the drums consistent through the 3 other songs i already released

i could go back and redo the drum mixing in the full album release ig

[storm furnace]

so how would i do that

[sweet herald]

2:50-2:30 would rec changing up the drums so they don’t clash with the guitars. Sounds sick love it otherwise 🔥

[vale vapor]

this is probably your best bet

[vale vapor]

i would focus on getting a cleaner recording before anything else

try angling your guitar further away from your computer and phone

or if you have a di box, run it through that with ground/lift switched on

[storm furnace]

dont have a DI box and my headphone cable is too short to be further away from my computer

[vale vapor]

then turn around

rotate 180 deg lol

[storm furnace]

also what are the parts that are off tempo or is it the entire thing

[vale vapor]

just a few parts sound off, that can usually be fixed with editing

slice up your takes and shift them onto the grid

[storm furnace]

https://mountmiseryband.bandcamp.com/album/corpse-pit-funeral-pyre-demo-1

these are the first 3 songs I did. Is the same problem still there with the recordings

I was going for the sound of fit for an autopsy with some of the songs and overall I was aiming for deathcore with more of a focus on groove

I’ve only been playing guitar for like 2 years so skill wise I’m not sure if it’s good or not

[versed remnant]

haven't posted in here inna bit but i'd appreciate some feedback on this

@tribal orbit

[cerulean storm]

A lil update

[vale vapor]

yeah

are you editing your guitar tracks?

just slice them up and shift them onto the grid

[storm furnace]

can i get opinions on the new drums

[vale vapor]

works alot better with the guitar

snare sounds kinda weird

not sure what's going on there

[storm furnace]

i just eqd to get the most ping

and then threw on a compressor and distortion

[vale vapor]

doesnt sound like a ping sounds like a flump 😭

[storm furnace]

yea im not good at this

i cant figure out how to get it to sound good

[vale vapor]

watch this one!

[versed remnant]

it peaks a lot but i think this mix is a little tighter, just gotta do some work in mastering when i make a master for this mix

[versed remnant]

@vale vapor @tribal orbit thoughts on the mix?

[tribal orbit]

I have been summoned

I’m just using my base iPhone speaker rn cuz I do t have my headphones

[versed remnant]

Okok

[tribal orbit]

The snare is a little loud in some spots

[vale vapor]

The idea is sick, i like all your tones

mix overall is very bass heavy

[tribal orbit]

But overall it sounds fine?

[vale vapor]

snare sounds kinda flat, might be just a boring sample

[tribal orbit]

Was about to say the same

[vale vapor]

weel is right the snare is pretty pokey

i wouldnt say its too loud, moreso just pokes out too much

also i hear a ton of clipping, specifically when the kick and bass hit together

[tribal orbit]

Ye I couldn’t tell if that was volume or the mix

[vale vapor]

especially on subdrops

[tribal orbit]

iPhone speakers are not great lmao

[vale vapor]

LOL

facts

Bass needs to come down like 3-4db

and i would sidechain it to the kick

by like -2 to -3db

[versed remnant]

Should i turn down the bass or does it still sound good

[vale vapor]

just answered that

LOL

[versed remnant]

Got it

I apologize

[vale vapor]

ur good

[tribal orbit]

All grucci

[vale vapor]

im just being analytical

[versed remnant]

I’m working on getting a new sample in rn but i need to update kontakt cuz it won’t work

It’s a little deeper

[tribal orbit]

Also junt lmk if you want vocals on anything

My bands stuff is currently in limbo cuz my bandmates are busy

So I have fuck all to do

[versed remnant]

Mixing in my vocals when i get my mic back is gonna be a nightmare i’ve been careful about keeping mids down on everything so i have room but

[tribal orbit]

Yeah vocals are rough

[versed remnant]

Yeah i don’t have any mastering on no limiter ir anything

So it peaks a lot

[tribal orbit]

Screams are easier to mix tho imo

[versed remnant]

Yeahhh i think i left enough space but i’m worried i haven’t

[vale vapor]

just bring down the entire mix

[versed remnant]

100% and it’s all gonna be screams probably

[vale vapor]

more headroom

[versed remnant]

How many db?

[vale vapor]

as many as necessary

[tribal orbit]

Until it doesn’t clip anymore

[vale vapor]

yep

[versed remnant]

Got it

[vale vapor]

personally i like to mix into my master chain, it's called top down mixing

you dont have to do it this way but i find it extremely helpful

but it only really works if you have a solid master chain you can rely on for the song lol

[tribal orbit]

I think before my master chain, my mix hits like -6 db on the high end

God I can’t wait to release shit again

[vale vapor]

in the digital world, you don't really HAVE to have headroom, but it is the best practice 100%

its a good habit

[tribal orbit]

Speaking of I can’t remember if I posted this a while ago

Buuut

[versed remnant]

I mix the mix and then i worry about volume after tbh for me it makes hearing wverything easier and i can focus on getting stuff equal first, then master, then make changes as needed

[versed remnant]

Okok

[vale vapor]

i would still give yourself more headroom

i start with all my tracks default at -8db LOL

[tribal orbit]

I think I did

[vale vapor]

this is gas

[versed remnant]

I need to learn how to side chain bc i have a lot of bass elements with the drops and kick and bass and even the guitar tone is a bit bass heavy

[tribal orbit]

But here’s my magnum opus

[vale vapor]

mix is pleasant on my ears

[tribal orbit]

Tbh if you group together all your bass elements and sidechain that group with your kick it should work fine

It’s what I do

[versed remnant]

Yo this is fucking fire

[vale vapor]

send signal to another track on new empty channels (3/4)

compressor on receiving track, input source being channels 3/4

turn down threshold til gain starts being reduced (-2 to -3 is the sweetspot for kick on bass in metal, imo)

[versed remnant]

Noted

[storm furnace]

i think i fixed it. im new to this stuff and realized i can load different snares in kontakt so i changed it to a higher tuned one and it now cuts through well and doesnt have anything weird like the flump sound from before

[tribal orbit]

Not my proudest moment, but I did feed my clean vocals through chat gpt cuz I couldn’t figure out the problem frequencies… it did find it, however

Fixed the EQ and here we are

[vale vapor]

scowl of disapproval

[vale vapor]

this is sounding much better dude!

i really like the feel of this mix so far

[versed remnant]

Okay i have a tiny issue bc i’m using krihm free so i canmt use the mixer so i’m gonna wait on my sidechaining until i can borrow a copy of odeholm drums

[tribal orbit]

Yeah Ikik. I had spent hours on that vocal chain and I couldn’t figure it out

[vale vapor]

please dont use buster kit literally use anything else

[tribal orbit]

Gave up and was liek “here’s a wav file of just vocals wtf dd I do”

[vale vapor]

that kit is a virus and is killing originality in beginner metal producers

[versed remnant]

Which is another reason i need to update kontakt cuz it’s not working

Lemme show y’all what it looks like

[vale vapor]

shoot me a dm im pretty confident on how i process vocals

i can give you some tips

[tribal orbit]

I got it down now

That was… 2 ish months ago?

[vale vapor]

fire, dms are always open tho

[tribal orbit]

Tyty

I might reach out at some point when my bands recording again

[storm furnace]

yea im trying to get it to were it sounds modern but not like super modern. not myspace deathcore levels of unpolish but less than modern deathcore where most stuff is quantized

[vale vapor]

it sounds just like that rn, honestly

[tribal orbit]

This is gonna sound weird but it seems the guitars are like distant

On speakers, as mentioned so it might just be me

[storm furnace]

im still new to guitar in general too. ive been playing for around 2 years so a lot of stuff is still hard for me to figure out

[vale vapor]

it sounds good on my monitors

they could be a little louder ig

[versed remnant]

Y'all fw my odeholm kit

[storm furnace]

its also not mastered yet

[tribal orbit]

That would make sense yeah

[vale vapor]

then i would edit your guitar tracks tighter

don't just leave your guitar tracks unedited unless you want it to sound super raw

[tribal orbit]

Black metal time

[versed remnant]

my first album core

[tribal orbit]

[tribal orbit]

Real and true

My first single core

Lmao

Ignition is rough

Thank god the album version exists

[vale vapor]

oh my word

[versed remnant]

LMAO

[vale vapor]

still isnt as bad as my first metal stuff

yall do NOT wanna hear that

[versed remnant]

sent it

send

[vale vapor]

i gotta find it

buried in my files

[storm furnace]

yea i have to look closely to figure out the parts i need to fix because im not good at being able to tell where i suck

[vale vapor]

anywhere where the transient is off the grid

just slice and shift it

[storm furnace]

whats that

[storm furnace]

this is another one i did btw

[storm furnace]

ah got it

[vale vapor]

0:40 metal starts

lol

[tribal orbit]

https://on.soundcloud.com/7NBEgemP920qoL4SYZ

My old SoundCloud lmao

It’s dogshit dude

[vale vapor]

mine is so much worse bro 😭

this actually sounds half decent

the mix is relatively balanced

[vale vapor]

listen to this 😭

[tribal orbit]

I prefer yours

[vale vapor]

breakdown at 4:05 lol

genuinely awful

[tribal orbit]

Mainly cuz my vocal mix is… something

[vale vapor]

entire mix is smashed

[tribal orbit]

And lemme find it

[tribal orbit]

Oh lord

Yeah you’re right

[vale vapor]

LOL

[versed remnant]

Guys how do i send my snare elsewhere in kontakt

i can not figure it out

[vale vapor]

i think i sent a message here about it before

not typing it all out again

one sec

let me find it

[versed remnant]

okok

[vale vapor]

HOW TO ROUTE KONTAKT FOR METAL DRUMS

• load kontakt by right clicking on reaper's blank track panel and hitting "load virtual instrument on new track" (or the non-reaper equivalent)
• choose kontakt
  • it will ask to create 64 outputs, hit "yes" and you can delete everything past the fifth channel
• make sure you have enough outputs setup inside kontakt (youll want st.1, st.2, st.3, st.4, st.5)
• load drum library
  1. route kick to st.1 (outs 1,2)
  2. route snare to st.2 (outs 3,4)
  3. route toms to st.3 (outs 5,6)
  4. route cymbals (overheads and spot mics) to st.4 (outs 7,8)
  5. route the room mics (of all drums, if possible) to the fifth channel (st.5)

can we get someone to pin this in the thread? how to route kontakt for drums gets asked ALOT

@haughty kayak

if not that's fine

[versed remnant]

Thank you good sir

is this a little better in terms of volume

[tender oak]

Here to second top down mixing. IMHO the most consistent way to nail your sound down consistently

[vale vapor]

as long as it isnt clipping on your channels or master, you're good

[versed remnant]

Nothing is clipping anymore

[vale vapor]

based

[tribal orbit]

That’s what we like to hear

[vale vapor]

i start with all my channels at -8 by default, really helps

[tribal orbit]

I usually have a lowered output in whatever amp or EQ plugin is in that chain

Anywhere from -2 to -6 depending

[vale vapor]

valid

takes more effort tho

LOL

[tribal orbit]

True

I also save all my chains tho

[vale vapor]

i use project templates, theyre so useful

i have one for metal and one for edm

[tribal orbit]

So it’s technically less effort

[vale vapor]

LOL

[tribal orbit]

That’s actually super smart

[vale vapor]

my project templates have bus routing already set up

master chain on

groups and tracks all named

guitars panned out correctly

all that good stuff