Feedback Requests

[halcyon holly]

It's a 150 page paper on compression, you just have to scroll down 👍🏻

"no one cares" is definitely not the type of discussion i'm looking to have, but a scientifically sound one where both parties learn something new, so i'm withdrawing from this conversation. It wasn't my intention to be pedantic but to have an in-depth conversation about a topic that shows similarly in-depth knowledge within a field i am very passionate about.
So while "i'm not really interested in the specifics, i just like the way it sounds" is totally valid, that doesn't mean that "1176 on all in = 50:1 ratio" is correct, though, as it seems you're not interested in scientific accuracy, i'll let that pass

Also: "laymen's"

[tender oak]

No one's looking to have a spergout "uhm actually" conversation with you

[halcyon holly]

That's okay and totally valid, but audio engineering is an engineering subject, and therefore it's good to know the in-depth mechanics of the tools we use

But I do totally get why it can feel pedantic to go there in a subject that is, predominantly, creative

However, to speak on subjects as convoluted as the circuitry of the 1176, it's good to first do research into it as it avoids misconceptions

[tender oak]

You just randomly highlighted an old comment to correct something that didn't need correcting to show how smart you are. No one's likes that, dude.

Approach it differently. I agreed with your fun fact and you turned it into a ted talk

[halcyon holly]

No, not really, you tagged me in something and i didn't have the time to respond until now, so i responded now. I don't see why time is an important factor of the equation here.

[halcyon holly]

I'm good thanks, I have no problem with you disliking the way i approached

As long as the misconception has been corrected, i'm happy

[tender oak]

Dear Lord you exist.

[halcyon holly]

Personal insults really aren't my style, though

I really really feel like the guitars could come up here and the drums could be brightened as a bus move

I suppose overall you're a bit on the scooped side, though it's working to some extent

Maybe a wide band mid boost might help here a bit

[vale vapor]

Bruh

[tender oak]

Exactly how I felt

[vale vapor]

You can be wrong without getting angry about it

One thing I've learned, don't argue with Ross on compression

[tender oak]

There was nothing wrong at all. It was a broad terms explanation on what the plugin does in this specific use case. Purposefully not being detailed. Basic broad strokes using terms understandable to everyone in their bedroom, relayed directly from people who worked on and use the plugin. In a basic sense, it's an extremely high ratio button. Of course it does more than that, of course it's dynamic and not a fixed ratio, no it's not directly 50:1 nor is that ever mentioned in the manual which is why I said "virtually" to begin with, but I'm not explaining the inner workings of the plugin, I'm explaining in a basic sense what you're using it for in parallel compression. Then randomly days later I'm getting tagged and demanded links and sources over a basic explanation of how the 76 can be used in parallel compression even after I agreed with him. Like calm down there bud, it went from "fun fact" to a reddit thread lecture to flex "I know more than you." Genuinely unnecessary.

[vale vapor]

From a third party perspective i really think you're reading way too far into it

None of it was personal attacks

Like this entire discussion could've been avoided with an "Oh alright"

Just my thoughts tho

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tender oak]

It could have been avoided if dude approached it like a conversation and not a lecture demanding sources on a laymens explanation.

Just reeks of brain flexing for no other reason than to look intelligent in a thread. Especially when someone agrees with your initial "correction."

[blissful cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[vale vapor]

Then just disengage man

Its discord

Choose the path of least resistance

[tender oak]

That's how reddit happens.

(joke)

[vale vapor]

?

I don't get it lol

[halcyon holly]

I get that some people aren't looking for in depth conversations about these things lol, but that's all that needs to be said

[tender oak]

Just maybe next time don't start demanding sources and linking your white paper when someone is explaining that they're just using laymen's terms and being broad. You're 100% right, that is not a traditional ratio button, but It comes off as aggressive and dickish when you start off that way, especially when we were agreeing at the core, just not how I broadly explained it which I probably could have been more precise on.

You're clearly very knowledgeable and that I admire and appreciate.

[halcyon holly]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1414590504062025758/1428419009094746243/watermark.gif

[vale vapor]

LOL

[tender oak]

Waves version is different.

Side note, the UAD GUI is clean af

[halcyon holly]

i see you're a bluey enjoyer?

[tender oak]

Oh yes.

Very much so.

[halcyon holly]

definately a higher THD, and therefore faster/more reactive transfer function

I like it on big rooms

[tender oak]

Ye, its super punchy and up front on screamed vocals too

Love it for that. It just feels so present,

I'll run that into rvox which is like a vocal cheat code and then I really like the way an opto compressor tickles the sound if used lightly after. All staged so im not over compressing in any one tool. I use rcompressors opto mode at the end but I really want a good la2a emulation. Was also looking at JST Howard Benson Vocals lately as its on sale and does a lot of neat shit in one place but im not sure its worth it considering the tools I already have.

[runic adder]

https://youtu.be/1OM9KhXYrb8?si=69JXq4OvTIJE2gsz

Holy drum bus compression

My ears got drawn to the mix immediately because having just come off a psycho-frame track it sounded like cardboard and then boom I hear the cymbals

[vale vapor]

the short attack compression LOL

[versed remnant]

turn up guitars, boost 8k on drums?

[versed remnant]

on the master?

[versed remnant]

a little more locked?

[kind trail]

+T H A L L, the +

[versed remnant]

Yo this is fucking sick

I actually wanna lear thall production i wanna throw a thall song on my album for funzies

Any tips?

I’ve never done thall before

[kind trail]

Watch Buster do his magic

He's basically Thall Jesus

Generally tho, your Kick and Snare need to way louder than everything else (don't clip anything yet tho)

This involves either bumping up the kick and snare, or more importantly, keeping everything else down

Then use a dedicated Clipper at the end of your mastering chain

Now, you clip everything and since your K&S are super loud, you can clip them and bring up the entire mix without destroying it or losing transient impacts

It's also generally advised to use a clicky kick sound

But I don't like that sound very much so I don't

[versed remnant]

Thank you i will look into this more tonight and send you whatever i write

Is drop f# low enough for thall

Tbh its all my seven can handle

With rhe current string

[blissful cliff]

I would say you can make thall in F#

thall not T H A L L

But most of thall is in the style and production anyways

I challenge someone to make thall in E standard

[vale vapor]

I used to love thall but i really dislike it now

Its so overproduced to me

[runic adder]

I mean HLB’s first few albums were in E

[vale vapor]

The drums sound like edm drums

I never liked buster's production

Also most thall is just so mid scooped too

Not a fan of it

[versed remnant]

@tribal orbit can you take a listen to this for me

[tribal orbit]

The low mids are a bit muddy and overpowering the drums. Maybe some clarity on the kit. Are you High Passing the guitars?

[versed remnant]

Okay so i need to turn down the mids, how can i make the kit clearer, and i am high passing my guitars around 50 i think and i have a bump in my bass there too to better compliment the guitars

[tribal orbit]

High pass at 90-100

50 is too low

[tribal orbit]

I said guitars

:/

Maybe read?

High passing bass is stupid, that is correct

But I said guitars. Which would clash with bass unless highpassed.

[vale vapor]

LMAO

MY BAD

[tribal orbit]

All good lmao

[vale vapor]

Sorry i woke up 20 minutes ago lol

i just saw "bass" and "highpass at 100" so i was like tf

[tribal orbit]

lol, lmao even

I think I posted this a bit ago but I don’t remember

So here’s a track

Still gotta do cleans on it

[fringe geode]

So @vale vapor I tried the Arc Reactor preset and played with it. I didn't like it.

[vale vapor]

sounds pretty good

screams sound kinda thin though

i like the instrumental mix

but the screams sound a little off

[vale vapor]

brooo

its so good tho

[fringe geode]

Specifically with the stuff I do, I find that bass kinda needs to be tailored to each mix.

[vale vapor]

fair

[fringe geode]

I have a few presets I made that I like to use. And I usually scroll through em to see which one will work.

[tribal orbit]

Maybe I need to add a bit back to the low mids cuz I did cut out a lot to not interfere with the guitars*

I tried going for that old school Unearth sound

[vale vapor]

Try instead of a cut, use a dynamic eq on that specific area

so instead of always being cut, it ducks when low mids build up too much

[tribal orbit]

[vale vapor]

also relistening, i think your hihat is a little loud compared to the rest of the cymbals

and i want more snare

LOL

[tribal orbit]

Oh the drums are getting replaced

[vale vapor]

oh good

sick

[tribal orbit]

Waiting on my drummer

[vale vapor]

awesome

[tribal orbit]

Also the violin (and cello during the breakdown) are the clean placeholders

[vale vapor]

cool

[finite coral]

trying to do snare properly

fuck

export issue

also added latency on my bass cuz the vst was a few ms late

[balmy forum]

xenon summoned lol

[versed remnant]

got it

how can i make the drums clearer

[tender oak]

Mix sounds significantly better than the OG. Things have space now and the snare dynamics are peaking through. Look up the concept of parallel compression, HelpMeDevvon has a wonderful video on it I actually linked previously in this chat. Parallel compression can make what you're targeting sit comfortably in a mix without overpowering everything else.

[finite coral]

ill give it a watch tomorrow

[versed remnant]

updated mix @tribal orbit

[tribal orbit]

At a show rn. Dm it to me so I don’t forget

[kind trail]

Ironically, this gave me an idea

What if I fused Thall and DnB?

[versed remnant]

Ooooh what show were u at?

[tribal orbit]

I went to see Wolves at the Gate, they were opening for Emery and '68

Only played 7 songs but like, great set

too bad most of the crowd skipped on the openers :(

As for the mix, it sounds a lot better

I thin the top end of your kit could be defined a bit more. Like the snare and kick are missing a little of the clickiness

only a touch so maybe like a 1-1.5 db boost in the high mid/low high range

and cut a little bit of the 500-700 range on the kick

small adjustments, ofc

[blissful cliff]

WatG is phenomenal

[hollow tulip]

update

[tribal orbit]

They were awesome

Shame the crowd was the way it was

[blazing bobcat]

hell nah

[vale vapor]

It does tho

[blissful cliff]

Skill issue

[rose dirge]

This is a Killswitch acoustic cover project I'm working on. This is a rough draft. Just looking for some feedback. I'm trying new things with some vocal effects in this one.

https://youtu.be/6F7QAoLDu3M?si=E4rmtfrWFJcQMn3C

[blazing bobcat]

fr

[fervent sphinx]

If i could get some feedback on my new bands first 2 track releases i would be forever grateful. All production done DIY

https://youtu.be/EoiLPUcbDHQ?si=6rcSJa5OzXlwxwJr

https://youtu.be/JPcSfko1nSU?si=3o_MyBbI87T-COgt

[kind trail]

I went a bit caveman for this one

It's nice writing riffs I don't have to track bar-by-bar or phrase-by-phrase, or god forbid, beat-by-beat.

[fervent sphinx]

Can confirm there is bunga with the unga

[potent depot]

Hey! I'm 15 and this is my first music I've made and put out by myself. I would love feedback
https://on.soundcloud.com/0nh1oiZCcErhmwQ4V7

[kind trail]

Got some Theremin action going on this

[blissful cliff]

holy playground kickball

the nice thing about slam is mixing is optional

"Dude your mix sounds like hot garbage!"
"I know "

[versed remnant]

started a cover of 115 for the album, i'm not gonna do cleans on it i have a friend but thoughts?

[runic adder]

YEEEEEEAAAAOWWW ‼️ ‼️

ok respectfully what the fuck is that lead at 1:00

also vox are too reverby imo

you just reminded me that I did a half cover of 115 a while back lol

fun times fun times

[kind trail]

You want me to do cleans?

[kind trail]

Damn, you never showed me a cover of 115

Either way, I was more of a Pareidolia guy tbh

[versed remnant]

filler i just haven't learned it on guitar yet twin

its not fully done

i stil have to do the ending too

the rest of the screams

then get someone in the studio for the cleans

[versed remnant]

hmmmm

send me a vocal test twin

[runic adder]

Fair

[runic adder]

I did it a hot minute ago

Like before I even knew you

[kind trail]

Damn no kidding, I can hear it in the production lmao

[versed remnant]

This is fucking sick

[potent depot]

Hi guys
I just made this demo and played around with the mix a bit. What do you guys think? Is there anything I could tweak?

[vale vapor]

i feel like the drums sound a bit raw especially the snare and toms

the snare sounds a bit mid heavy

[vale vapor]

heres a mix with a snare that i think you could reference

(rolo tomassi is the band)

[potent depot]

Okay, I'll try tweak it. Thanks

[potent depot]

Is this better?

[vale vapor]

tbh i can't hear a huge difference

it's a very small difference

its a little better tho

step in the right direction for sure

[runic adder]

thanks

never expanded it into a full cover, might do it for shits and giggles

forgot how fun 115 was as a song

but also maybe not, don't want to steal your thunder

[cerulean storm]

One of the other songs I've been working on, haven't had the energy to record vocals yet

[neat star]

Some classic easycore riffing

[runic adder]

snare could do with a dip around 400hz

oh I didn't see the remix

still stand by what I said though, small dip at 400hz on the snare

[runic adder]

I think the snare can come up a little

kinda gets buried, especially under the ride

[cerulean storm]

Agreed

[runic adder]

also I think either your limiter or drum bus comp might be dipping the mix a little too hard?

like it's a good setting for a punchy song with a slower kick, but I'd ease up on it fs with the constant double kick

cool track though

[cerulean storm]

I see. Yeah, probably a good idea. Thanks!

[runic adder]

no problem

[runic adder]

I'd take down the cymbals and the lead guitar a little bit

[iron cloak]

dark weird stuff

[finite coral]

high pass on mix cuz it sounded really bad on other speakers, and fixed tone

[balmy forum]

Sounds like the MT power drum kit lol

[balmy forum]

I can recognise that drum kit from 20 miles away

Ml drums

[versed remnant]

Maychance

[balmy forum]

Is it not ml?

[vale vapor]

Its live drums afaik

I didnt produce it so idk

[finite coral]

if someone can recognize these drums ur a real one 😎

[balmy forum]

Either MODO drums or some ggd crap

[finite coral]

Toontrack 🥹

[finite coral]

metal! ezx to be exact

[vale vapor]

Hey how'd working with the Brand New producer go?

[cerulean storm]

Some minor changes. Gotta get my ahh and record the vocals

[balmy forum]

Well he kind of just cut us off for some reason so we swapped over to James Paul wisner, he does sly withers, you could check out his website if you want to find the other bands

I HIGHLY recommend lol he is cheap as dirt but also somhow does underoath

[vale vapor]

is he actually doing yall's release though lol

[balmy forum]

Yeah, do you need proof?

[vale vapor]

Money's money i guess

[balmy forum]

Well its worth it lol

Only 400 for the full release, it’s not that much

[brave otter]

J looking to see if the clean part and heavy part work together like this or it's too big of a switch up and the chords don't make sense. there will be vocals at some point but for now it's j this

[wicked berry]

G

[grave kestrel]

midi covering the offering rn
unfinished

[runic adder]

went a little caveman mode

[tribal orbit]

This is pretty much done

[vale vapor]

loving the orchestra parts

[vale vapor]

Snare sounds pretty weird but i like the kick alot

the kick does sound like a oneshot though, is there a way to make it round robin?

[wicked berry]

this is old file I made it a lot better

but some stuff was out of phase

and no master chain

[vale vapor]

mix is super quiet and also super bassy

but the arrangement is cool

[vale vapor]

this is fire, i feel like the kick is lacking a bit of low end

i like everything else though

the mix is very well balanced besides that kick

i dont usually work with super duper heavy stuff but i mixed/produced and co-wrote this song for a buddy and i think it turned out pretty good

[wicked berry]

thanks btw. snare is very simone inspired and his mixes are weird tbh

[finite coral]

changed drums a little

[runic adder]

Yeah I did 0 mixing on this lmao

Just recorded and threw it out lmao

[vale vapor]

Oh LOL

[runic adder]

Lmao yeah finally recorded something for the first time in months, just wanted to pop it out

Esp since it’s going to my band meaning that it’ll never see the light of day for years so I don’t need to mix it much

Just needed to get the riff down before I forget (that I am a world before I am a man)

[vale vapor]

LOL

[tribal orbit]

fair. Might be a headphone thing on my end too cuz ATH-M50x's have a little boost on that end

if I increase the bass on the kick anymore it has way too much rumble for me

[vale vapor]

Yeah try listening on another device

I was listening on my studio monitors

[tribal orbit]

I aint got those, but I do got a 2008 xterra for car speakers lmao

kick sounded fine on those, but then again they arent exactly great quality

[balmy forum]

This needs to be released, effective immediately

@bright moat

[bright moat]

YOU

[balmy forum]

Haha

Hi

[bright moat]

Hey hoe

[vale vapor]

it won't be

it's for his school project or something

[balmy forum]

Dammit that was hilarious

[brave otter]

Mainly want opinions on the song structure and composition of guitar parts. It's a rough demo so the drums are placeholder, vocals will be recorded later, and everything will be properly recorded and mixed later

main part im not sure on is 1:20, it feels like the chords should be played 2x slower but im not sure if that's just in my head

[runic adder]

finally did some mixing on it cuz i've been thinking about it all day lmao

[runic adder]

I think the chords at 1:20 are fine

[balmy forum]

does have stems they want mixed for free? i want to mix somthing

[vale vapor]

sounds great

[cerulean storm]

Made some changes

[potent depot]

I think it's fine, it could use with some sort of riser or something I think.

[pure sentinel]

My new album Can I promote my new album? If so, here it is. ||I wrote it for a long time|| https://onerpm.link/130101518210

[versed remnant]

Bad news, i'm single again, good news, motivation to write

i'm doing a song backwards for somereason

but this is a hard ass ending

Lyrics btw:
The love we shared was no easy feat
But still i wonder if i ever changed your heart beat
And you will never know what hell you put me through
The heartache is unknown to you
Where did it go, where?

Does anyone have a free string section vst/soundpack thats good that they would slide

[potent depot]

BBC Symphony Orchestra Discover is a really good free full orchestra if you wouldn't mind a full one. The strings sound really good. everything does actually

This is a demo from a new project that I have started to work on and I would like some feedback on the mix

[fringe geode]

It's been in the works for a while but this is a cover of Full Moon Full Life from Persona 3 Reload. It ain't perfect but here it is!

@vale vapor @tribal orbit @hollow tulip

If anything I found the perfect kick sound.

And for those of you wondering what I used.

Guitar/Bass Amps: NDSP Mesa Mark IIC+/Parallax X
Drums: EZD3
Piano: Quiet Piano (Free)
Synth Bass: Exakt Lite (Free)
MIDI Bass: CIRCVIT Bass (Free)
Orchestral Bits: BCC Symphony Orchestra (Free)
Impulse Response: ML MIKKO 2 (Free)

[vale vapor]

this is fire

[vale vapor]

honestly the kick is probably my least fav part

i love everything else

[versed remnant]

@vale vapor can u look at this for me? I don’t have my mastering chain on but just wondering if u think its cool

[vale vapor]

writing wise its sick, drums sound a little robotic

i'd make those kick notes way less hard, give it some velocity differences

[versed remnant]

I have yet to humanize them

[vale vapor]

mixing wise def needs some work

but its cool yeah

[vale vapor]

i like to humanize while i write them

[versed remnant]

I usually wait until the end

[hollow tulip]

sorry for the late response. yeah this shit fire

[hollow tulip]

is it just me or does the bass sound slightly out of tune for me

anyways p3r ost goes hard

[vale vapor]

oh yeah i hear it

[versed remnant]

Guys is this cool

[tribal orbit]

gimme a sec, I have lunch in 30 minutes so I'll chekc it then

[scarlet brook]

this is one of the songs on an ep i’m working on. what do y’all think?

[versed remnant]

@vale vapor can you take a look at this perchance

[versed remnant]

Your mix is very loud and i like it

[runic adder]

Getting after the burial vibes from this

Tasty

Loud ass bass booms lol

[tribal orbit]

The rhythm feels a bit in the background. Maybe needs to be brightened up a tad!

[tribal orbit]

Very cool

Reminds me of BoS

[vale vapor]

ye one sec

not a huge fan of the drum sounds themselves but that's just my taste

the song itself is pretty fire

[fringe geode]

Thnx! I'll probably raise the level just a wee bit. The Mark IIC+ is already a bright ass amp (Mesa amirite?)

[tribal orbit]

Oh true

Maybe cut out a little bit more bass from it, and add some presence

[versed remnant]

tyty

[fringe geode]

I need to learn how to mix like u.

[fringe geode]

@wicked berry This the best I got.

[wicked berry]

really good imo

what sets it apart from mine is in the guitars there is a lot more mids and less low end and high end, kick has a lot of reverb and snare is higher

for my snare I learned from simone on the reflections nail the mix

but to sum mine up, it's two one shots and 2 snares from ggd

I used a modern and massive snare and a high tuned ringy snare from the benny greb kit

but i can send the one shots later if you ping me

[fringe geode]

@tribal orbit

This better?

I also did a little automation work.

I also undid the EQ dip at 100ish hz and it brought back some power to the guitars.

[wicked berry]

pretty good

imo it wouldn't really fit this song but there's a trick with pro mb i use on chugs

the idea is that you put it on the di to quickly raise the high end or where the pick attack is on the spectrum right when the pick hits the strings then drop down after that

it creates like almost a laser beam chug

[fringe geode]

Adding that to my notes lol.

[wicked berry]

anyway that's another thing different from our guitars 😭 but it's real fun lol so try it out sometime

got it from a YouTube video

might as well send it here one sec

https://youtu.be/NjDnx1twk28

[fringe geode]

I use a MB Comp on my more chuggier songs (usually using TDR Nova) but the MB is usually focused in one very specific area.

[wicked berry]

it's great for emphasizing chugs and stuff

[halcyon holly]

You can also just boost before the amp

Easiest way to get definition is a simple eq move pre-amp

[wicked berry]

problem is that unless the boost is subtle it will affect the di tone slightly because it doesn't dip back to normal after the chug like with pro mb

so using pro mb unlocks the ability to make huge boosts, making the pick attack super scrapy without affecting di tone

[fathom jewel]

is my mix cooked?

[fringe geode]

Your mixes always cook.

[fathom jewel]

I remember my snares not smacking hard enough

[fringe geode]

Yeah. But now they nice and smacky Mr. Mackey :3

[fathom jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-stare-meme-stare-pfft-gif-934131229400886401

[finite coral]

is ts tuff

[kind blaze]

synth/choir outro for a symphonic/atmospheric/melodic black metal song in a similar style to emperor or early dimmu borgir. Starting work on guitars after I finish moving house. 🙂 I'm aiming for a "dark mystical" sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq2u_8gxRR4

[blissful cliff]

Does anyone have any good recommendations for vocal mixing tutorials? I'm really struggling to get something that sounds good.

(Part of it is I need to re-record some stuff, I had the mic gain up too high)

But I've always struggled with vocals

[vale vapor]

Frightbox on YT is my goto for anything metal mixing

[balmy forum]

awhh that sucks, hope your ok

[balmy forum]

alpha wolf vibes

[finite coral]

are cymbals too loud here? bass sound muddy too, just listened on phone

[finite coral]

maybe better here

[versed remnant]

I’m doing fine i guess i got a cool song out of it so

[vale vapor]

why does this sound like DA games

[finite coral]

xcuz it is, i dont like his vocals but i wanted to try it

[vale vapor]

i think the vocals sound super weird ngl

the riffs are cool

the mix is definitely very muddy

the drums arent super clear

[finite coral]

cymbals?

[vale vapor]

the cymbals are one of the few things that sound fine lol

the kick and snare are really buried

[finite coral]

any better?

[vale vapor]

i dont hear much of a difference

it sounds like your drums are lacking processing

they aren't cutting through and they're lacking transients

are you using any compression on your drums?

[finite coral]

im not trying to do a over processed heavy mix

and i am compressing the drums

[vale vapor]

it doesn't need to be overprocessed

your mix sounds like there isn't any processing

[vale vapor]

are you sure the compressor is engaged?

is it actually engaging with the signal?

[finite coral]

yes

i can hear the difference on and off 💀

[vale vapor]

hm

maybe try using a reference mix

take a song you like, download the audio, and put it in your daw

then you can a/b your mix and your reference, and try to make your mix sound like the reference mix

[finite coral]

idk ive been on fl for too long i need a break

[balmy forum]

idk what the fuck this is

i sampled brooklyn 99 lol

[vale vapor]

sounds like your kick is being clipped a ton

[balmy forum]

it probably is

but that was kinda what i was going for

[vale vapor]

What lol

[finite coral]

speaking of this guy, have u heard his recent stuff 💀

[vale vapor]

no

[finite coral]

this mix is so weird to me

[vale vapor]

it sounds like really quiet buster kit

[finite coral]

i used to listen to him alot when his mixes actually sounded good, whatever hes doing now is not my thing

[finite coral]

inspired from something like this, just tweaked stuff to my liking

[tender oak]

Just for funsies to test out a new tool I did a little 10 minute remix on this. 😄

[quaint night]

Hey guys, hope it's ok to share this here! My band just dropped a new single "They Preach, We Burn". Mix & master by Jeff Dunne, who also did the recent Stick to your Guns and Knocked Loose records.

Curious, what you think about it. 🙏

YT: https://youtu.be/yeLCN7UL_1A?si=OLS5zXonhE9jkWkK

[fathom jewel]

hell yes this is awesome, love jeff dunne, especially his work with crystal lake and chelsea grin

[finite coral]

damn ur right

this doesnt work for rock 💀

i dont like the boomy kicks

[vale vapor]

i dislike the buster kit

[cerulean storm]

Just started working on the last song on my seasons album. Here's what I got after this evening:

Yes, it's going to be a long boi

[tender oak]

Cooking something up for a youtube thing. Instrumental isn't mine, vocals and production are. More to come...

[wicked berry]

hard agree

it legit hardly sounds like the typical buster drum mix

kick and snare way too high

and clicky

the whole kit is way too clicky

I hate it so much

so thin

[vale vapor]

yeah lol

imo it's so overprocessed

and that's saying something coming from me, one of my all time favorite drumkits is the FOP kit

(some people have claimed fop stands for "F*cking Over Processed" due to how processed it is)

yet it still has more personality than the buster kit

[wicked berry]

idek what the fop kit is

also I think I started to dislike the buster kit more once everyone started using it everywhere on every demo ever

[vale vapor]

yeah lol

[vale vapor]

really processed drumkit from the 2010s that is notorious in metalcore

not really used much anymore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trR1Wbj_UYM

here's the fop kit in a mix

[formal hedge]

I use MT Power Drum Kit, free vst that sounds peak

[vale vapor]

bro mt power is so weird cause

it sounds pretty good

but it's SO identifyable

I stopped using it purely because i can smell it from a mile away

It's so easy to tell when people use it lol

[formal hedge]

I'm only really using it for demos, we're going to record drums with a real kit for our final tracks

[formal hedge]

I love the snare on it tbh

[vale vapor]

hey if you need someone to mix your stuff hmu

i price entirely based on the project itself

[formal hedge]

What daw do you use

[vale vapor]

Reaper

[formal hedge]

I use FL

[vale vapor]

Nice

I used to use fl

Does your band have any demos or finished songs?

I'm curious

[formal hedge]

We have one demo, and it's just a breakdown

[vale vapor]

Oh wow LOL

[formal hedge]

I recorded a guitar riff, edited and put effects on it, doubled it and pitched it down and mixed it separately, then used MT for two basic drum parts

[vale vapor]

Pro tip: stay away from artificial doubling

Especially on guitars

Always play your doubles manually

[formal hedge]

I forgot to mention that was how I made the bass, not a doubled guitar track

[vale vapor]

Oh

Why are you doubling the bass tho

That's also a no-no LOL

[vale vapor]

Oh 😂😂

LMAO

Ample bass is a pretty good free one

I think there's one called modo bass lite

[formal hedge]

I use fucking BooBass lmao

[vale vapor]

😭😭

Unless you're writing funk stay away from boobass LOL

[formal hedge]

With the Dr Drive pedal and Fast Dist it sounds pretty good

[vale vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw5NY9hMqXg

Just get this

At least it has real bass samples

[formal hedge]

Ooh that sounds good

If I mixed it properly I could get a good metal bass out of it

[vale vapor]

Yep

[vale vapor]

theres a good free bass amp plugin called the growler that sounds really good

[wicked berry]

doesn't sound THAT overprocessed

it sounds weird ngl

something is off about it

[vale vapor]

i love it

[wicked berry]

like too much room or something

[vale vapor]

it has personality

LOL

[wicked berry]

it definitely does

[vale vapor]

yeah im a huge fan of drums that have MASSIVE rooms lol

[wicked berry]

based tho

toms sound like they weren't tuned right though ngl

I like it

better than buster kit lol

[vale vapor]

for sure LOLL

[blissful cliff]

I use ML drums lol

[formal hedge]

I used to but it's too much cpu/ram usage

Doesn't hit hard enough in the mix either

[blissful cliff]

It takes a lot of processing to hit hard

But It's doable

@vale vapor does your band do live drums for your studio recordings? Or do you use midi drums?

[vale vapor]

i like ml drums

[vale vapor]

both

we blend

for our newest release we're using a custom midi kit (multiple samples from different sources blended together) because of the style

but all of thrones and TDTA is live drums with subtle samples blended

[blissful cliff]

Interesting

We thought about doing live drums for our song, but we didn't have a good way to record them yet

[vale vapor]

dont do it

[blissful cliff]

So he just played it on the electric kit

[vale vapor]

dont do it until you can actually afford GOOD mics and brand new drum heads

and a good recording space

[blissful cliff]

Gotcha

[balmy forum]

Where do you get the FOP kit I was looking for it but I couldn’t find anything legit

It was all scam sites

[vale vapor]

some members of the chango studios facebook group have it

but it's invite only

[balmy forum]

oh damn

[dusk junco]

stuck on another song. I swear everytime i write i can come up with two good parts and thats it. Any advise on where to go?

[cerulean storm]

Little updates

[formal hedge]

20 minutes bruv?

[cerulean storm]

Yes, 20 min. Many of my favorite songs are around 15-20 min. I don't have Tik Tok attention span.

[kind trail]

I'm trying to do some crazy/abrupt switches that can maybe work. It's Chorus-Verse-Chorus. I'm gonna throw vocals over it and that'll fill in some of the spaces

I'm also thinking of adding more SFX/glitch sounds and electronic elements over everything to maybe have it blend together

@vale vapor What do you think?

Going for a quasi-Paledusk vibe here. Trying to avoid outright ripping them off tho

@runic adder

[runic adder]

nice

[kind trail]

Is it all too out of left field or is there some sense to it?

[runic adder]

sounds coherent to me yeah

[round saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-mcride-gif-20992854

Anything that Sticks out to y'all?

No vocals yet

[kind trail]

The weak kick

It's got very little actual impact

[round saffron]

Bet bet

Will fix

[kind trail]

Focus on maintaining Sub frequency integrity in it

One thing you can try is use an EDM kick as a reference. Now you don't need to make it sound exactly like it, but it certainly helps

[round saffron]

the thall method

[kind trail]

Pretty much lmao

Buster is King bro

[round saffron]

yeah

but with this I'm going more of the new Varials Route if ya know what I'm sayin

[kind trail]

Just bring up the kick in the mix, It's too quiet methinks

[round saffron]

There will also be vocals I like to leave space for em

[kind trail]

You can do that with a louder kick

Bring down the guitars

[round saffron]

I mean Yeah

Aight

[round saffron]

https://open.spotify.com/track/43W0zKZU9R962HlGGoHNLY?si=kzhselqcQxipxtFFMhwo2g

this shi

Aight

kick louder

[halcyon holly]

Snare needs more body, most likely a compression + EQ scoop issue

Could also be a levelling issue between room/oh mics and spot mics

Also theres lots of pumping

[round saffron]

pumpin is like an artistic choice here same with like the hollow snare so

[runic adder]

got my hands on some new IRs, taking em for a nice test run

[fringe geode]

A mix I've been tryna get since I start learning five years ago is somewhere between this.

https://youtu.be/90xUneczfTs?

And this

https://youtu.be/BDnE2J6UCRQ?

[pure sentinel]

my first gorgrind. What do you think?

[balmy forum]

Hey im pretty proud of this and would really appreciate some feed back on the song writing and the mix

[wicked berry]

vocals sound kind of raw

[vale vapor]

Vocals need alot of work yeah

[thick bay]

https://youtu.be/kH0KnNyb6Dc?si=uA5RUzH4-i6Y8Gfy

[hollow tulip]

pretty nice

the echoing choir unison voice part around 1:09 sounds kinda off for me. idk if it's supposed to be like a choir effect or a delay effect
you could do stuff like recording the same line over and over again (maybe each take is from standing at different positions in your room) and then layering it together into one unified sound

vocals do kinda sound like you sung them quietly rather than at singing volume (idk if that's the vibe you're going for). idk why it sounds that way i just hear it kinda that way
i'm not a singer myself so take it with a grain of salt

[balmy forum]

they are recorded with an ipad so its not going to be the best thing ever

[hollow tulip]

I see

[hollow tulip]

song itself is nice tho, kinda chill

[balmy forum]

thanks! its part of an album im releasing next year

[balmy forum]

this is my personal favorite from the album

[hollow tulip]

Oh nice

[hollow tulip]

it's fully instrumental?

[balmy forum]

vocals are coming ssoon

[hollow tulip]

on a side note the vocals kinda remind me of another singer but idk who

it's in the tip of my tongue

[hollow tulip]

ok

wip stuff
ik the guitars are kinda in the background, i'll work on balancing it with the other elements in the song

[balmy forum]

this is cool i like it i feel like the piano choir melody thing is too loud. that could fit a nasty ass lorna shore style break down at the end

[hollow tulip]

thanks
i'll work on that

side note i'm not planning for it to be full on lorna shore level of heaviness tho it's gonna be more melody-focused

it's gonna be something of a boss theme vibe

https://open.spotify.com/artist/5ulQKViMBrchooNvekS86B?si=sgn6rSpCTOuVdzyzlCagnA

i'm basing my overall vibe with artists like this one

[balmy forum]

oh cool

[vale vapor]

😭

Didn't you buy a mic?

[balmy forum]

yeah but this is recorded as a draft at our vocalists house and she does not

but she just got one so

ALSO I JUST RELISED

YOU HAVN'T CALLED MY DRUMS OVER PROCESSED YET

[vale vapor]

I have only listened on my phone

[balmy forum]

oh well

im still taking the win

[vale vapor]

Also i don't think you over process

You just process them weirdly

[balmy forum]

haha

[vale vapor]

It also doesn't help that you're stubborn and refuse to change your drum processing 😭

[balmy forum]

im not subborn im trying, i dont know how to and i only have like 16 tracks

[vale vapor]

Well that's definitely not gonna help

I've told you this before, you should at least try using a daw with more tracks so you can actually mix

[balmy forum]

ive tried, reaper is way to complex, pro tools is 8 track limit ableton sounds fin and is good to use

[vale vapor]

😭

[livid frigate]

I like reaper :(

[balmy forum]

Not everyone has to be exactly like you are

I feel like it’s not that bad

[blissful cliff]

Reaper isn't even that complex...

Unless you really get deep into it, for basic recording and mixing stuff it's pretty straightforward...

[vale vapor]

Yep

[vale vapor]

I'm not trying to make you like me, I'm trying to get you to stop preventing yourself from having good mixes

Because like i said

You're stubborn

[blissful cliff]

Learning a more complex DAW is 100% worth it. I used Audacity for years because I didn't feel like learning Reaper and it set me back a lot in terms of my ability to learn and improve

Also why settle for "not that bad" when you could day "I have room to get better"?

[vale vapor]

Exactly

[hollow tulip]

quite a few updates (no extension yet)
rebalancing guitar and other instruments' volume
some changes in the mixing for strings and solo violin
increased tempo from 210 to 220 bpm
added subtle impact sounds during transitions to parts
changed guitar riffing during verse part so it has a melodeath-y vibe
accordingly, removed the string ostinatos during the verse part so it doesn't overshadow the guitar
slight alteration to the violin melody: in 0:18-0:19 and next loop the G note is now a G# note

[hollow tulip]

it kinda sounds similar to this doesn't it? https://open.spotify.com/track/5gPXMG8BXHWwqe5DnnqDKN?si=66aaf977c5614971

[runic adder]

do you listen to much imperial circus dead decadence

[hollow tulip]

Ye

[runic adder]

hell yeah

sounded like some influence in there

pretty cool

[hollow tulip]

thanks

:D

it's what i could do to fill in the ICDD-shaped hole inside

[runic adder]

lmao

didn't they just drop a new song?

[hollow tulip]

I know

but this craving is insatiable

[vale vapor]

me when no one makes any risecore in this era :(

i think it might make a comback

with the great meme reset, the deathcore revival, and the metalcore revival

[hollow tulip]

😔

[vale vapor]

the death of baddiecore will be our salvation

[hollow tulip]

amen

[balmy forum]

yes however there are way more steps to reaper, i write songs in 30min-1hr on Ableton but it takes me like 5 days on reaper

[vale vapor]

Sounds like an actual skill issue

Im not memeing on you

Obviously you're gonna be faster at the daw you've spent more time in

[fringe geode]

Reaper is easy.

[blissful cliff]

That's the thing, are you happy with music that sounds like you spent half an hour on?

If so then that's great

Spending more time and putting more effort into it is always going to have better results if that's what you are looking for

[tender oak]

I don't get how. I swapped from Pro Tools to Reaper after 4 years and had it down within about 3-4 days. Reaper is incredibly intuitive, flexible, and customizable. Just imho. Not tryna be mean.

[vale vapor]

Reaper was made by the dudes from Winamp so that makes sense

[tender oak]

Oh shit no way, nice. It seems like they made it specifically to yoink people familiar with Pro Tools and similar styled DAWs trying to escape the ridiculous license prices and subscription models, which I greatly appreciate with every fibre of my being.

[balmy forum]

this is Ableton and in my opinion is great, you know you all say my mixes are bad but you never really tell me how to fix them

[tender oak]

My genuine advice off rip on that is limiting and glue compression. The sub frequencies are crackling my speaker at not full volume.

[balmy forum]

see that is how you should answer instead of "your vocals need work"... what work @vale vapor .

[balmy forum]

thank you btw'

[vale vapor]

Nail on the head!

[vale vapor]

Why the sudden jab??

There's no need for hostility

Your vocals needed work firstly because they were recorded on an ipad, among other things

If you wanted me to expound on my reply you can just ask

[balmy forum]

i didn't mean to come of as hostile but ok

[blissful cliff]

That doesn't sound too bad to me, and I'm not going to go around and critique people's mixes right now because I'm still pretty new to production and learning myself. The point I'm trying to make is it sounds like you've hit a wall where you are at and you are happy sitting with a mix that could be so much better if you put in a little extra effort, and that doesn't make sense to me why you would do that.

[fringe geode]

I can tell ya easily. Your mixes are very bass heavy which ain't bad but they suffocate a lot of the other elements of your mixes. Bring them guitars too, with tape saturation, exciters, eq, and even just messing with your fader.

This one isn't as bad. But I can barely hear the guitar.

[balmy forum]

my main issue seems to be routing drums separately and i couldn't figure out how to do that in ableton so i used reaper and i learnt it for about a year but i still cannot get the hand of it and i still cant route drums and ive been using ableton for 3 years, it has good work flow it has a good interface i just dont see why you all hate on it

[tender oak]

In Reaper it's not too difficult. Like to a bus? Just create a track with the stuff you want on it and send those tracks to it. In the options for the drum tracks themselves there should be a "Send to Master" option. You can disable that so they send only to your bus, then the bus sends to the master. There's some nice tutorials on it on YouTube / Google.

[fringe geode]

What are u using for drums?

[balmy forum]

ggd nu metal

[fringe geode]

Ahhh. It's kontakt itself, it's not Reaper. Kontakt is very hard to route out in any DAW.

[balmy forum]

yeah but that was the only reason i swapped to reaper

[fringe geode]

Even GGD's tutorials don't help very much XD

[balmy forum]

so why do you want me to swap to reaper so much!

[fringe geode]

I never said switch over.

[balmy forum]

oh right

wrong person

your the good one

[vale vapor]

💀

This kid 😭

[fringe geode]

[balmy forum]

thats the one

[fringe geode]

Lol

Kontakt is the reason I don't use GGD anymore.

[vale vapor]

The problem chao is that he refuses to use a daw that lets him use more than 8-16 tracks, which is why he can't route his drums to separate channels

He processes them all at once

Which is why his mixes sound like that

[balmy forum]

I dont think you read that right, i did swap and i still couldnt route them seperatly

thats not a track amount problem

[fringe geode]

I used to process my drums all at once. Nothing wrong with that. Before digital recording people did that alot.

But regardless his problem is he can't even route the drums to BEGIN with.

[vale vapor]

Nothing wrong with it if you want that pre-daw sound or if your drums are fully preprocessed

[fringe geode]

That's a Kontakt problem not a DAW problem.

[vale vapor]

True

Basically just set your outputs in kontakt by opening the output window, set it to st.1 through st.5 and route each drum in GGD to eat output

Kick st.1, snare st.2, toms st.3, OHs st.4, rooms st.5

[balmy forum]

yes im aware however i cant change the st from 1

[vale vapor]

Then route to external channels in reaper

[vale vapor]

Wdym

Hit the plus to create a new output and assign it to the next channels in order

So if st.1 is channels 1+2, st.2 will be 2+3

And so on

[balmy forum]

i have tried that as well

[vale vapor]

Either you're doing something wrong or your install is broken

[balmy forum]

no my drum kit litteraly cannot be routed

[vale vapor]

That is exactly how you route

Ggd nu metal doesnt support multi out?

[balmy forum]

i dont think so

[vale vapor]

Then use a different kit!

😂

[fringe geode]

It should.

There's an option to multi out the kit.

[vale vapor]

Yeah i believe it does

Something's fishy here

[fringe geode]

His kit might be bugged then.

[vale vapor]

Yeah

[fringe geode]

Email GGD about it.

They'll help u.

[vale vapor]

Or reinstall

[fringe geode]

That too. Reinstall first before emailing.

[vale vapor]

And try a different kit

[balmy forum]

ive done that about 3 times

[fringe geode]

Def email GGD then.

[vale vapor]

Email them and try a new kit

[balmy forum]

mate i dont have a spare $200

[vale vapor]

There are free kits

[fringe geode]

Lol I think he means try the OKWs.

[vale vapor]

Most of my drums are free

[balmy forum]

no still at least 100

[vale vapor]

Bro ml drums, mtpower drumkit, ssd5 free

And many more

Poise + external RR samples

The Metal Kick Drum samples

[balmy forum]

ive tried all of those

[vale vapor]

Lots of good free options

[vale vapor]

And?

Why not use them

Oh yeah liquid death snare too

[balmy forum]

becuse whats the point, my drums currently are so much better sounding than all of those

[vale vapor]

That's arguable

I'm just gonna leave it at that

[balmy forum]

ml drums snare is to pingy, crashes sound fake, kick is ok, liquid death snare is just 1 sample to it sounds robotic, mt power toms are bad and snare sucks i could go on and on

[vale vapor]

Liquid death snare is NOT onr sample lol

It has an entire sample bank for each tuning

[balmy forum]

still doesnt compare to my snare on the nu metal

[fringe geode]

Try EZD3.

That's what I use.

[balmy forum]

ok if you can actually critique what is wrong here, sure

[balmy forum]

yeah i love that drum kit but still

163 AUD

[tender oak]

You can make any virtual kit sound good with the right subtle compression and then glue into the mix tbh.

[vale vapor]

Yep

[vale vapor]

Wdym

[tender oak]

Snare is jarring

[balmy forum]

exactly so why cant i make virtual kit that i already paid for sound good

why do i need another one

[vale vapor]

Because a core feature is bugged out?

[fringe geode]

Nothing in particular is wrong here. It's just taste. I love the sound, it just wish the snare was a bit more smacky Mr. Mackey.

But that's my opinion.

[vale vapor]

We're giving you suggestions to fix your problem and you shut everything down lol

[balmy forum]

rooms down abit fixes it

[fringe geode]

You can also add some additional comp too.

[balmy forum]

really? i dont like adding do much compression

[vale vapor]

Drums in modern music need to be compressed a pretty good amount

Depends on how preprocessed your samples are tho

[fringe geode]

Nolly designed the kits in a way that additional comp can be added if so chosen.

[fringe geode]

Nu Metal is very pre processed compared to past kits.

[vale vapor]

Yeah

[balmy forum]

its not metal tho!

[vale vapor]

Def

[tender oak]

You don't. Just take some time and Google how to properly route it. Watch tutorial after tutorial. Either you're doing something wrong or it is genuinely bugged. Take the time to change your search terms if you're not getting the info you need. I'm sure there's a forum post buried somewhere of someone having your exact issue. If it's a genuine bug, email the company.

As for compression, do not be afraid of it. It's easy to overuse, yes. But it's also just as easy to underuse.

[vale vapor]

Exactly

[balmy forum]

here @fringe geode that smacked it a bit

[fringe geode]

Hell yeah brother now we're talkin.

My only other complaint is those cymbals are abrasive. Not entirely your fault cymbals are really hard to mix.

[vale vapor]

sounds significantly better

[fringe geode]

Sometimes I put a shelf on it, other times I'll notch it out or HPF it.

[vale vapor]

processing

[vale vapor]

that one is honestly not the best use of liquid death snare

let me send a better one

[fringe geode]

Hell yeah that sounds mean af.

[vale vapor]

that's my audio

:D

[balmy forum]

thats not mine haha

[fringe geode]

Not a fan of that kick but that snare is NASTY.

[vale vapor]

Thank you good sir

not my best

im trying to find another one

here we go

in context

[fringe geode]

Liked the other snare a bit better.

[vale vapor]

this one is set to a lower tuning

and is comp'd more aggressively

[fringe geode]

In context it works tho.

[vale vapor]

:D

all of the drums used are entirely free btw

[balmy forum]

im emailing ggd now but i feel like its not too much of an issue

[vale vapor]

it will be an issue if you are ever going to do a production that requires anything advanced

[fringe geode]

I wanna give ML Drums another try now that I know more mixing stuff. I didn't like it when I first tried it.

[vale vapor]

anything more than a stereo drum track

[vale vapor]

you won't be able to do verb sends, individual volume automation, any type of fx sends

and you won't be able to ever EQ your drums individually

or comp them individually

[vale vapor]

i did a few cool things with ml drums

its very usable

[fringe geode]

It's more a sound quality/preference thing rather than a usability thing.

[vale vapor]

oh for sure

i believe this is ML drums kick + snare

[fringe geode]

Question for your guitars, do you do any sidechaining?

[vale vapor]

typically, no

i usually sidechain bass to the kick by about -3.5 db, sometimes less or more depending on how i want it

but recently i have been sidechaining my guitars to my snare by about -0.7db

which i like the sound of

its barely noticeable but makes the snare just the smallest bit clearer

[fringe geode]

Apparently this is an incredibly common technique.

[vale vapor]

yeah i hear it alot

especially modern mixes

[blissful cliff]

I love ML drums kick and snare

[vale vapor]

theyre pretty decent!

[tender oak]

Everyone in the parking lot I'm in just enjoyed that

[blissful cliff]

How does sidechaining work? I've never been able to figure it out or understand it

[vale vapor]

LOLL

[vale vapor]

you send one signal (kick or snare or wtv) to another channel, on secondary channels

which are inaudible

[fringe geode]

My whole thing is that my guitars sound produced right. But also not like modern metal like that.

[vale vapor]

then, you put a compressor on this second channel, which is triggered to do whatever you want based on the input of the secondary channels

So you can make your guitars dip down based on whenever your snare hits

[vale vapor]

modern metal = sidechain everything lmao

personally i think its overdone

i like my guitars in the front of the mix, not behind any sidechain except a little on the snare

[tender oak]

Modern guitars are so buried so I appreciate that mindset

[vale vapor]

Yeah especially baddycore bands

its like the guitar is an afterthought

or a space-filler

its METAL for crying out loud!

[blissful cliff]

FR

[vale vapor]

the guitars and riffs should be the forefront of the mix

it has the widest frequency spectrum after all

[fringe geode]

I feel like my guitars are straight from the 90s lol. Might be because I'm putting that tube saturation on that too which is making my guitars less focused but like....you get what I mean right?

[vale vapor]

yeah i can hear it

not necessarily a bad thing

[fringe geode]

I guess it makes sense I grew up on a lot of early 2000s nu metal XD

And Pop Punk.

[fringe geode]

I felt that.

[tender oak]

I like tube and tape mixed but the tube being so subtle you almost don't notice it till you take it away. Just a kiss on the sound as opposed to actually distorting it. Leave most of the real saturation to the tape

It just adds life in my ears

[vale vapor]

i honestly dont use much saturation except a little on my master bus when mastering

i use either saturn with a single split above 200hz at 30% drive and like 20% mix

or a plugin called Kiss of Death at like 3% mix

both sound pretty good

saturn makes the mix sound huge on that setting, and kiss of death makes it pretty warm sounding

so its just whatever i think fits the song

[fringe geode]

I feel like I've gotten closer to the modern metal sound with this track.

[vale vapor]

that sounds great dude

[tender oak]

I use magma lil tube and UA Oxide Tape Recorder

[vale vapor]

oh another classic modern metal thing that i always hear @fringe geode

sidechain your rooms to your kick and snare close mics

subtly but noticeably

emphasis more on the snare

but like when the snare hits, the kick should make the rooms dip down

that's such a big thing i always hear

it's in my liquid death snare tests from above

[fringe geode]

EZD3 doesn't have seperate room tracks for kick and snare.

[vale vapor]

nooo

well you could always fake it

send it to a verb bus on a room setting and sidechain that

[fringe geode]

What I CAN do tho, is I have control over the cymbals for the room. What I do is I bring that shit down to let the kick and snare pop in the room more.

[vale vapor]

oh yeah for sure

[fringe geode]

Keep the cymbals close micd.

[vale vapor]

based

[fringe geode]

Sometimes I like some cymbals in the room for some ambiance.

But mostly let the close mics do the work.

[vale vapor]

same

Do you ever put room verb on your guitars

ive been doing that on all my mixes recently cause i hear it in a ton of stuff

like when the left channel gtr plays, i can hear a tiny room verb in the right ear

[fringe geode]

No. I use a delay instead.

[vale vapor]

and vice versa

Ahh interesting

[fringe geode]

Verb makes it less aggressive because it's diffusing the sound. Delay keeps the aggression but it can get a little messy so you gotta play with it.

[vale vapor]

i dont mind the diffused sound

its always at like 2% mix so lol

it really only is noticeable when you solo L or R

[fringe geode]

Ah okay. But it's why verb is usually put on a seperate track from the main guitar.

It doesn't always work but it helps a little.

[vale vapor]

makes sense

[sullen vector]

hey guys! wanted to send a track here to hopefully get some advice on how to get my mixes to sound a little more polished. any advice is appreciated, but advice on specifically guitar is greatly appreciated! guitars are kinda sloppy so i do apologize for that lol

[fringe geode]

Bruh that fuckin goes hard.

In terms of guitar, I'd say your fine for the most part. It's ur drums that needs more polishing but even then some people like myself appreciates slightly more raw drums.

I will say your guitars need a bit more power to them in the rhythm section. Try to get them to gel with the bass better. Your kick also needs some work.

[sullen vector]

thanks! im glad you think so haha

yeah i figured, my drums have always a little lackluster lol

[fringe geode]

Keep the snare It's chefs kiss. But the kick def needs a little bit more time to cook.

[sullen vector]

thank you! ill probably spend some time tweaking the guitars and the kick, my processing is kind of all over the place so i might just start from scratch and see where it takes me

[sullen vector]

heard, will tweak 🫡

[fringe geode]

My production teacher actually taught me it's okay to start from scratch. Sometimes it's your best option but keep at it bro!

[fringe geode]

@sullen vector this is my most recent original thing.

[sullen vector]

yooo wait this is sick! i love the part where the guitars drop out, its such a cool section

[fringe geode]

Thanks! I have a bunch of these little mini tracks sprinkled throughout this channels history.

I also like doing Sonic covers lol.

[balmy forum]

i feel like the guitars could use some compression and come down a bit

[fringe geode]

Nah he don't need comp to bring it down. Just lower the levels do just fine.

Unless he decided to glue them better in which case yeah.

[balmy forum]

comp somtimes gives it a more polished sound

imo

[sullen vector]

sickkkk! sometimes i do covers but im always covering random stuff, like terraria soundtrack or undertale tracks

[fringe geode]

Dude this song is sick it's been on repeat.

[fringe geode]

Sometimes but you gotta be careful with it. Unless you're going full Joey Sturgis.

[sullen vector]

ill probably end up playing with the levels at some point, and ill probably try to see if i can get a nicer compressor flavor by trying out some compressors other than the ableton stock comp lol

[balmy forum]

yeah i just mean light comp

[fringe geode]

Ahh I see.

[balmy forum]

YES! ABLETON USER

FUCK YES

[sullen vector]

im glad you think so! ive been working on stuff for a bit im and hoping to write some more tracks like this in the future haha, ive a couple backlogged as well that i might also send for advice on at some point

[sullen vector]

i ❤️ ableton 😩

[balmy forum]

we are a rare breed haha

[sullen vector]

this might be a bad time to say that ive actually been considering switching over to cubase...

[balmy forum]

haha, anything but reaper lol

[sullen vector]

oh... i actually like reaper...

[tender oak]

Reaper >>>>>

[balmy forum]

anyway, abletons stock compresser is ironicly the best compressor out there

[sullen vector]

i mean i enjoy it for convenience but personally ive been really wanting some different flavors from other compressors so ive been looking in to like slate digital for vmr haha

[tender oak]

The best compressor out there is a combo of compressors imho, but if I had to pick one that I like the sound of the most it's a tossup between Waves Rvox and the UA Teletronix LA2A. Shout-out to JST Gain Reduction Plus.

[sullen vector]

oh shoot sick, will look in to those 🫡

[tender oak]

They're paid but sales make em hella cheap

[sullen vector]

yeah i just looked up the prices honestly might be a cop right now, good reccs tysm man! 🙏

[tender oak]

If I can recommend anything: Waves Renaissance Max pack, Waves Free Plugin Pack, Universal Audio Essentials Pack. Basically all you'll ever need. Oh and a 1176 emulation. Waves or UA. Have em both, they're both awesome.

[sullen vector]

woah nice! ill def look in to the waves renaissance max pack this looks great! ill probably go download the free plugin pack right now, and the UA essentials also looks good! ill look in to the emulation as well 🫡

[tender oak]

Ye. The free pack has Magma Lil Tube which is my favorite simple tube saturation plugin. It makes shit sound nice lol

[sullen vector]

sounds good, almost everything im using right now is stock ableton so this should be a nice change lmao

[tender oak]

Oh for sure. Enjoy man

[sullen vector]

ofc! ty man 🫡

[vale vapor]

i honestly think the guitar tone is slightly weird but the composition is super fire

i would try using a different IR

[vale vapor]

dont listen to him he only disses it because he hasn't actually learned it

[sullen vector]

ayy tyty

[vale vapor]

i love the alien tapping parts

[sullen vector]

any reccomendations? im currently using the fortin namless x stock irs but im considering picking up some other ones, i was looking at the ggd cabsims so theres that

[vale vapor]

i recommend any of the Catharsis IRs, they have an amazing free pack

Also anything 5150 or 6505 from Tone3000.com

check the most downloaded cab sims from tone3000

actually

let me just send you some

im stupid lol

ill send you my favs

this one is incredible

[sullen vector]

ayyy nice thanks man! i rlly appreciate it! 💪

[vale vapor]

this one is a classic used in many records

here's one of frightbox's irs

those are my top 3 that i like

[sullen vector]

oooo ok ok sounds good

[vale vapor]

lmk how you think they sound on ur stuffs

[sullen vector]

bet ill def be sure to try them out, cant thank you enough dude this is awesome

[vale vapor]

yessirr

i have literally thousands of irs so if you need more free stuff hmu

i have free drum samples too

[sullen vector]

BET

[vale vapor]

😳

[halcyon holly]

I really don't think that's true

Multitrack recording drums has been a thing since essentially the invention of stereo

Really, it was around the late 60s that drums became (commonly) processed separately on different channels

This was, of course, done for a reason. Processing drums all on the same channel is a pretty dead end thing to do these days

[fringe geode]

It was a thing. My production teacher had been mixing since the 70s. He said when he started, because there was so little tracks (it was like 7 or 8 tracks) they used to just put two mics over the drums and each mic would go to a seperate track and then was processed together like that.

[halcyon holly]

In the 70s, we had queen recording opera, with 70+ vocal layers lmao

I think you're more thinking 60s

Also "my teacher once said" isn't a source

This argument also kinda falls short because like, okay, in the 60s you usually only did kick and OH or something similar, but why would you choose to do taht now? We moved away from processing drums on only one channel for a reason. It really isn't a good idea anymore

[fringe geode]

Yeah but it wasn't the norm. Queen pushed production to it's technical limits.

[halcyon holly]

I mean a quick google search says the same thing as me