Feedback Requests

[mighty terrace]

He’s sweet really tho..

[fringe geode]

Does 1d6 damage every playtime

[mighty terrace]

lol

[balmy forum]

@vale vapor this is what i have

[vale vapor]

really bass heavy mix

bring the bass way down cause it's overpowering everything else

the mix is very dark

snare is kinda clicky and needs more body

[vale vapor]

also your mix sounds kinda narrow is everything panned out properly?

[balmy forum]

yeah?

[fringe geode]

@wicked berry @mortal dock

[fringe geode]

Try using a stereo widener then.

[wicked berry]

guitar tone is nasty

sick af

any feedback would be appreciated.

it cuts off at a random time, and the vocals havent been all tracked (everything past breakdown isnt tracked). also all of the vocals are scratch takes so theyre messy and not my best work. also unmixed.

[balmy forum]

can you send be that shaaa song its so cool

if you know which one im talking about

[wicked berry]

do you want the link to the spotify? i didnt write it but i believe i know what youre talking about

[balmy forum]

oh yeah sure!

[vale vapor]

i would advise against it actually

artificial widening can lead to a weird digital sound

if anything, you can boost the side a tiny bit but start by making sure everything is panned correctly before you resort to any type of artificial widening

[vale vapor]

sub drop needs to come down for sure LOL

[wicked berry]

shock factor ;)

[wicked berry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/73ESek0SF1ZcdRKMc8hsKi?si=7776c9471da6412e

[vale vapor]

yeah but when it makes the entire mix duck like that it sounds bad

you can have a loud sub drop that doesn't kill the entire mix LOL

[fringe geode]

Damn this is brutal af.

Also wtf is that drop my guy.

[vale vapor]

try using a longer, cleaner one and make it less loud

this is one of my all time favs

[fringe geode]

Bruh this be hittin harder than Master Chief slapped those ODSTs did in the books.

[balmy forum]

is it silent?

[vale vapor]

no 😭 what are you listening on

[balmy forum]

monitors

[fringe geode]

For the uninitiated to the Halo books, Chief killed two ODSTs right after he got his augmentations.

At 14.

[vale vapor]

your monitors apparently suck LOL

this is a very clearly audible drop on mine

[balmy forum]

ah discord was muted

[vale vapor]

you were hearing other audio just fine LOL

[fringe geode]

I was definitely shocked harder than Dante using Beowulf.

[vale vapor]

LOL

[fringe geode]

Im glad someone got that XD

[fringe geode]

All depends on the algo the widener uses. JST and Izotope have great wideners.

The stock Stereo Field Manipulator is p good too.

[vale vapor]

still, its better to rely on regular panning

the most i ever widen my masters is like 10%

[wicked berry]

dw I do that in my demos cus I thinks it's funny af but ima make it better when songwriting is done

lmao

[balmy forum]

i only widen techno, with metal and crap it just doesnt work

[vale vapor]

i wouldnt widen any genre past like 10%

[balmy forum]

this was widened to 150

[vale vapor]

def not needed imo

[wicked berry]

the halo books are goated

[wicked berry]

yooo ty

I didn't have one very long

[eager sphinx]

thoughts on the angle and the lighting?

[vale vapor]

ENTER SHIKARI

YEAH

why on a 7 string though lol

[eager sphinx]

cuz thats all i have atm, my 6 string is back at my hometown

plus, i feel way more comfy on the 7 vs the 6

[vale vapor]

i would definitely get used to the 6

no use having to mute that extra string for no reason

it's just way more tedious

[balmy forum]

fuck yeah dude

[balmy forum]

my god

.

@vale vapor

[vale vapor]

but why

[balmy forum]

i dont know

my sister asked me to play takedown and my brain exploded

[vale vapor]

i mean i like that song

[balmy forum]

i beg to differ

[vale vapor]

It literally just makes playing more complicated

play on what the song was written on

[balmy forum]

not if your autistic

[vale vapor]

????

[balmy forum]

nah im joking, im really stupid and like doing things the hardest way possible

at least hes playing metal on a 7 string lol

[vale vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-smart-goat-thinking-down-syndrome-gif-9905812555411606126

[balmy forum]

wh-

hey does anyone have any stems they want mixed im bored and mixing is fun

[livid frigate]

Honestly I find the ability to actually play 6 string songs on a 7 fine especially because I think the wider 7 string neck is very comfortable. But I still learn 6 string songs and often play them on a 6 string because I find looking at the tab and looking down at a different number of strings tricks my brain up, especially when sight reading and playing along with the song the first time.

[fringe geode]

Just get an Ibanez they got wide necks for 6 strings.

[livid frigate]

I don’t like the ibanez wizard neck shape

And that’s like their staple neck shape

Otherwise my first 7 string would’ve been an ibanez but the shecter necks were just a million times more comfortable

[fringe geode]

Schecter necks do be comfy af.

I considered getting a Schecter but then I found my current LTD SN-200.

It's been my number 1 ever since. Though I still have my old MIM Strat from 02.

[livid frigate]

I’ve yet to try an ltd or esp :(

[fringe geode]

If you have a local GC they should have one.

[livid frigate]

Need more monies before buying another guitar

[livid frigate]

There’s no guitar centres in aus

[fringe geode]

ESP/LTD necks are a bit odd. The necks are thin u shape but the width of them conform more to the style of guitar they're on.

So they are similar but also different.

[livid frigate]

My local shop is hectic though, they have a wide range and some of the staff are awesome and give me discounts on stuff.

[fringe geode]

Oof.

[fringe geode]

Hell yeah. Sam Ash did that for me. But that's cuz the staff at my local Sam Ash when it existed knew me.

[livid frigate]

Yeah, it’d be cool if there was a larger shop because seeing youtube videos of guitar centres and stuff they’re huuugee compared to any local shops but every store I have visited here have knowledgeable staff

[fringe geode]

Just saying if you ever visit the US and go into a Guitar Center, all the stereotypes are true XD.

[livid frigate]

Haha

[livid frigate]

Interesting

[fringe geode]

Yeah it's kinda weird.

So the Eclipse for example has the thin U shape, but width wise it's more like a Gibson Les Paul neck so it gives you that sense it's a modernized Les Paul.

The Horizon series feels similar to Schecter's C1 but a bit more modern with the thin U shape.

The Mirage is much more shreddy so think of like a Jackson style guitar with how the neck is.

The MH kinda combines elements of both but still comfy.

I haven't tried a Viper yet but I can imagine them feeling similar to a Gibson SG.

The Snapper (which is what I have) is definitely a take on a Strat buuut it's also different. It's kinda hard to explain because Im a big traditional strat guy. It does kinda feel right though.

I want to try the XJ which their take on the Jazzmaster (I love Fender guitars) but they be rare and expensive af.

[vale vapor]

I've never disliked a guitar's neck shape

Its always been such a miniscule difference to me that it doesn't make a difference in my playing

[runic adder]

all guitars are valid and okay

(except headless guitars)

only difference is that my dad's PRS has the thickest fucking neck I've ever played

[vale vapor]

Facts headless guitars are ugly

[fringe geode]

I played a Strandberg once. Specifically an early Plini signature model.

I was so sad I couldn't afford it I'll leave it at that.

[balmy forum]

v shape necks are the only ones that suck in my opinion

[balmy forum]

@vale vapor if you were to produce this what would you add?

[vale vapor]

Nice title

[vale vapor]

Tambourine in the chorus

[balmy forum]

f SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARP

[balmy forum]

tyy

[balmy forum]

what abt synths?

[vale vapor]

sounds like you got some good synths already

[vale vapor]

drums are overly processed imo, the snare is suuuper boomy

and the kick sounds like it's all click without much body

[balmy forum]

ok lemme try that

[balmy forum]

i like over proccesed

[runic adder]

Love a good v-taper

Cute little waist on that guitar

[balmy forum]

@vale vapor this better?

[vale vapor]

its overprocessed in a bad way

[vale vapor]

what is your kick and snare eq

[balmy forum]

thay arnt seperatly raouted

ablrton is stupid

[balmy forum]

does anyone know much about james paul wisner

[balmy forum]

how do you..

un process it?

[vale vapor]

ok that's your problem

your drums ALWAYS need to be routed separately

always

[balmy forum]

ok ill export midi and split in reaper

[vale vapor]

bruh

just produce it in reaper and route your drums separately

[balmy forum]

no

wait

how to you route drums

[vale vapor]

https://google.com

you should probably relearn producing from the ground up lol

[balmy forum]

thats not very nice

wait what kit do you use

[vale vapor]

i don't have one set kit i use

i switch kits alot and mostly use custom kits i create myself

[balmy forum]

i cant split it its not letting meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[kind trail]

booo

[kind trail]

@runic adder @vale vapor I redid my entire mix and master based on what I was sent earlier, wdyt?

[kind trail]

Actually saw those guys live once

It was at Riot Fest a couple years back

ICP, Death Grips, Sleep Token, and 100 gecs were also there among others

but the first performance I saw that day was Enter Shikari

I only bought tickets to see ST (they showed up like an hour and a half late, it was a bit of a nightmare)

But holy shit

Looking back

The best performance that day was ES

They just kicked in to gear right off the bat with You're Not a Winner

Core memory right there when I saw them getting up one second, I look away and suddenly I'm in the middle of a moshpit

[runic adder]

On my phone right now but the drums fs sound much clearer

[vale vapor]

this is soo much cleaner yeah

youre getting there

also @kind trail i noticed you had four rhythm tracks all playing the same part

i would heavily advise against quad tracking like that because it really makes mixes sound warbly and muddy

almost every time, just your typical left right pair is gonna sound way better and clearer

[kind trail]

Yeah, no I scrapped 2 of the tracks and it's just regular dual track. I thought it would give me ultra toanz or something but all it did was make a mess of everything

[vale vapor]

ohhh gotcha

yeah exactly LMAO

[kind trail]

I might do it for specific section I want to sound super sludgy tho

But I'm better off with Dual for most stuff

[fringe geode]

What kit do you use?

[kind trail]

I remembered that Devin Townsend did a lot of Quad and sometimes Octa tracking (?), and his stuff sounds absolutely insane so I thought I'd try that

[vale vapor]

I've never gotten into his stuff ngl

Its kinda weird

[kind trail]

Low-key it's why I like his stuff

[fathom jewel]

speaking of weird

[kind trail]

It's like Djent with Thall production into an early Babymetal Chorus

Low-key wish the part from 0:13-0:23 went longer

[fathom jewel]

I didn't add any thall production

[vale vapor]

LOL

[balmy forum]

gd nu metal

[runic adder]

definitely enjoying the amount of bass in this

much better than previous demos

[fringe geode]

Ohhhh.

Eww Kontakt

[blissful cliff]

@vale vapor @ anyone else who wants to take a look at this, How can I improve the mix, especially on the vocals?

[balmy forum]

yeah lol

[vale vapor]

vocals sound like there's too much treble and not enough body to them

[blissful cliff]

How can I fix that?

[vale vapor]

EQ!

[blissful cliff]

I kinda figured, could you give me some more specific things to try with that? I'm watched like 10 videos on it and I still can't get it the way I want it 😂

[vale vapor]

Just tone down the highs and give it more mid

[blissful cliff]

I'll give it a shot

[balmy forum]

is anyone here willing to scream over a part of my track

[balmy forum]

hello

anyone need free mixing

[kind trail]

What exactly is the problem with Kontakt btw? I never really ran into major issues with it other than occasionally abrasively long loading times

[kind trail]

@vale vapor @runic adder I also changed up the drum part a bit as I'd been hearing the same thing for far too long.

I also re-evaluated the way I used my Limiter/Clipper and now I've got 13dB of Gain Reduction with it on my master bus

[kind trail]

How many LUFS do you mix/master to?

[fathom jewel]

idk, I don't check that stuff

maybe I should

I think -8 integrated lufs is ideal usually

[kind trail]

Huh, I managed some -5 this time

[fringe geode]

It's a bitch to route out. Once I figured it out, I saved it as a template so I never had to do it again.

[kind trail]

Ah yeah. That's true.

[blissful cliff]

I'm down possibly, hit me up with details

[vale vapor]

Its annoying af to use

[vale vapor]

Between -6 and -4 LUFs Integrated for metal

[blissful cliff]

Isn't that pretty loud?

[vale vapor]

Look at any big radio metal hit like falling in reverse

If you analyze the loudness its always around that range

[blissful cliff]

Hmmm

[vale vapor]

-5.5 integrated is the most common one i see for big metal mixes

[blissful cliff]

I always thought it got normalized in the streaming platforms anyways so you'd get more definition out of it if you mix quieter

[vale vapor]

I've seen some as loud as -3 but i never try to aim for that cause atp you'd just be absolutely smashing your mix

[blissful cliff]

At least thats what I've been told

[vale vapor]

Thats kiiind of myth

Yes you'll get turned down

But you'll still be perceived as louder

If anything it's a taste thing

As long as you have a good mix it doesn't matter much

The loudness war is over and loud won lol

[blissful cliff]

Interesting

I've been aiming for anything between -7 and -10

[vale vapor]

I did that on the UBR album and it's noticeably much quieter than anything on spotify :(

[blissful cliff]

I didn't notice that

[vale vapor]

Play it back to back with a big modern metalcore name and you will

But yeah i do see -7 sometimes in metal

Older mixes

[blissful cliff]

The song I just did was -7

[vale vapor]

But anything modern, you can analyze with the youlean loudness file analyzer

And you'll see 99% of it is around -5.5

The new Woe is Me album was mastered to -3.5 lmao

[blissful cliff]

Woah

[vale vapor]

The dude who mixed it, I'm im his server

He just said he tries to smash it as much as possible without audible distortion

[blissful cliff]

Thats crazy

[fathom jewel]

there is definitely some audible distortion in some of scott's mixes lol

[vale vapor]

yeah lmaoo

i think he softclips his mixes too

but it works for the genre!

its metal

id honestly rather have softclipping that works well with the music than tons of pumping

[runic adder]

bye bye dynamics

lmao

[kind trail]

You're making Metal, you don't need dynamics

[vale vapor]

yep

it really depends on what you want

[kind trail]

jk I know that's loudness wars talk

[runic adder]

idk i've always been told dynamics > loudness

[kind trail]

Again, it depends right?

[runic adder]

by both @halcyon holly and by my dad

[kind trail]

If you're going for a super sanitized sound, that's pumping the whole time

[runic adder]

I could very easily make my mixes loud as shit I jus don't feel the need to lowk

[kind trail]

Dynamics isn't key

[runic adder]

though for my labyrinthian cover I could...

All it takes is me editing my mixbus comp, clipping the SHIT out of the mix, and then limiting the fuck out of it

would be fun to do rn if I was at my rig

sadly, I am in class 😔

[kind trail]

Lol, nerd

[blissful cliff]

Relatable

[vale vapor]

entirely taste related

what works for the music

[kind trail]

You have people who are old-fashioned like Ross and your Dad, and then you have Zoomers like me who are basically EDM fans masquerading as Metalheads, as an example.

[halcyon holly]

i'm 22 💀

I actually agree more with what you guys have said, it's completely taste, style and genre related

The many times i've critiqued a lack of dynamics it's usually more due to people overdoing the dynamicless vibe

i.e., transient of the snare at the same volume of the vocals lmao

People be slapping on 7 clippers across their mix and wonder why their snare aint hitting

[kind trail]

You're younger than me, damn. My bad g💀 😂

[vale vapor]

yeah LOL

[blissful cliff]

Welp

[fringe geode]

With guys like Celldweller, Blue Stahli, and Zardonic around, EDM x Metal will always cross paths.

Hell Skrillex had a metal band before he became Skrillex.

[kind trail]

I think he also worked on a couple of songs on Korn's Path of Totallity, which in my opinion got shit on way too much. Thought it was a really cool experiment

[brave otter]

i got a few ideas for a song, rn they are just seperate pieces that could potentially go together in some structure. J looking for feedback on if any of the clean parts at the start are jank or if the heavier parts are not it

[vale vapor]

restrains kit 😍

love it

[brave otter]

yeah lol im using someone elses mix template so i j threw on some clean tracks and lowered the velocity for the clean parts so def not the best mixing but it's good enough for me to j start puting down ideas

tyty

[kind trail]

When do y'all think when a mix is good enough? I've been kinda sitting on an album for a year or 2 now because my production was complete shit and I knew nobody would listen to that garbage so when do I know if it's decent enough to be heard?

[vale vapor]

when you like it

mix for yourself

not for anyone else

[brave otter]

i don't do much production but usually i either let it sit for a bit and if i like it after not listening to it for a day or two it's usually good enough. also i normally j hit a point where i feel like the amount of time im puting in is not worth the amount of improvement for the mix and atp i move onto the next thing because it's easier to improve that way. I do suck at mixing tho so maybe im wrong

i j feel like it's really easy to get paralysis from constantly trying to make the best thing u have ever made and sometimes it's better to j move on to the next thing if you are getting significantly diminished returns

i have a friend that did a similar thing too where he had an album that he had sitting for about 2 years, he ended up frontloading it with the best songs (which were also the most recently made songs) and ended up j wanting too be done with it by the end. the biggest vibe we got were that his songwriting tendancies kind of drifted after that amount of time so it felt a little loose between the really old mixed and written and the really new and written songs

[fringe geode]

Unless you're working for a client lol.

[vale vapor]

true

lol

im talking about solo stuff

[fringe geode]

Let me put it this way. Art is never finished, only abandoned. It's done when you say it's done.

And sometimes it's better to leave a mix as is. Regardless of how you did it.

I only revisit old mixes for practice or if I really feel strongly enough to revisit it.

[runic adder]

When I get annoyed enough that I stop, or when I get that stank face from how a certain part sounds

For example, the first verse and last breakdown in this was my point of “ok I’ll stop”

[versed remnant]

did some cleaning up to my mix

[versed remnant]

slightly more locked in vocals, idk how to improve this mix further tho so advice would be appreciated!

[fathom jewel]

big man devin townsend couldn't have said it better
https://youtube.com/shorts/AGduKrUZU5s?si=mKAanlYrwyFAXpFl

[finite coral]

need help

[wraith hare]

back to FOP kit

[wraith hare]

@vale vapor

[vale vapor]

Hello i am not home

I shall check it in a bit

[wraith hare]

K

[vale vapor]

K

[vale vapor]

lacking bass a little but i like it

fire song

[rose dirge]

I took a short break from metal, & branched out into this orchestral piece. Kinda inspired from film & VGM scores.

https://youtu.be/nNIzPeqsp5Y?si=jq0OlixV-OZ2-Hgb

[kind trail]

Wrote something proggier than usual

Meter is something really weird: 7 bars of 7/4 followed by a bar of 11/8. It comes out to 109/8 which is a prime number so I have no choice but to keep repeating the time sig changes instead of changing it to something more convenient

[runic adder]

aggressively trying to count it in 4/4

[kind trail]

Everything is in 4/4 if you count it wrong enough

[runic adder]

Ding ding ding

[vale vapor]

vocals sound a little weird

whats goin on there

instrumental mix is cool tho

i feel like it could be clearer

[finite coral]

instrumental?

in what sense

lead too loud or something

[vale vapor]

i think it may just be the vocals making the whole thing overall sound less clear

[vale vapor]

what processing is on the vocals

[finite coral]

limiter and multi band to control high freq

[vale vapor]

no eq?

[icy terrace]

I live in Vegas, do vocals and am looking for a band. How do I find one?

[vale vapor]

Vegas has a ton of people

Im sure you could find some pretty easily

[balmy forum]

wtf have i done

[balmy forum]

new alarm sound unlocked

[kind trail]

I tried writing a solo, not super good since I consider myself more of a rhythm guy but what do y'all think?

@vale vapor I recall you saying you're more of a solo guy, wdyt?

[vale vapor]

i think you misheard

im not a solo guy

LOL

[kind trail]

Wait

[vale vapor]

its pretty cool tho

ur mixes are sounding better

[kind trail]

I remember someone saying that they're into solos and shit

or am I hallucinating?

[vale vapor]

def wasnt me

[kind trail]

I think I'm just illiterate

[kind trail]

All thanks to you lmao

Ok well 75%

But yeah big ups thanks to you for sure

[kind trail]

Tbh I'm tryna get on that Abasi Concepts roster list

That's the dream

be so good that Tosin hits me up and gives me free guitars and an endorsement

[vale vapor]

what is that lol

[kind trail]

Tosin Abasi

Animals As Leaders Guitarist

[vale vapor]

ah i never got into them

[kind trail]

Prog Extraordinaire

That makes sense

So that guy

Started his own guitar company

With 2 cool body shapes

Really really nice stuff

I had the opportunity to try one out in a Guitar Center

Really comfortable

unfortunately it was a 6 string and was like 2k

So 0/2 on both fronts

[vale vapor]

unfortunately??

6 is so goated

2k its nuts tho

[kind trail]

I only play 7+ lmao

[vale vapor]

i only play 6

[kind trail]

mainly 7s

[vale vapor]

sometimes 7 for my band

i only write on a 6 tho

[kind trail]

My hands fit better on a 7 neck

and also. I've been playing exclusively 7s for the last 8 or so years

So at this point going to a 6 feels like amputating a limb

[vale vapor]

ive played both as long as i can remember but 6 riffs just sound way cooler and are funner to write imo

[vale vapor]

sounds like you should practice more on a 6

guitarists should be well rounded!

[kind trail]

Lmao real

[vale vapor]

i can play on a 7 just fine

i jut think 6 riffs sound way cooler

[kind trail]

For me, I just like having extra range

[vale vapor]

drop C is the only tuning i need to make bangers honestly

low doesnt equal heavy automatically

heavy is in how you write it

[kind trail]

I like the low A sound but I don't like losing that high E

[vale vapor]

as long as you arent in E standard

[kind trail]

I mean that in terms of notes

I like to use my top strings a lot for layers and leads and the occasional mid solo

[vale vapor]

i like mid-range riffs most honestly

578 stuff

[kind trail]

Yeah that's also fun

With a 7 I feel like I can do both without sacrificing one or the other

in my mind at least

[vale vapor]

for me once you go below drop A it sounds really muddy trying to do any chords or 578 mid range riffage

so my fav tuning range is drop A to drop D

anywhere in that range

[kind trail]

Tbh that's always a tone issue, in my experience

[vale vapor]

Nah you straight up can't play chords once you go super low

[kind trail]

If you cut out mids and low-mids you can manage the mud

Oh yeah

Lower Interval limit low

[vale vapor]

thats what i mean

if you play the types of riffs i enjoy writing below A they just lose energy, and sound muddy

regardless of tone

[kind trail]

I hit that point at like C#, C low

Like 9-string low

[vale vapor]

https://youtu.be/gTsLCZayWLw?t=18

This is my fav type of riffs

by far

this is similar to what i write

[kind trail]

Yeah I bet, I remember hearing one of your demos and was like

[vale vapor]

trying to play this below A just sounds way less cool

[kind trail]

mid 10s core got it

[vale vapor]

LOL

yep

[kind trail]

not mid as in bad

but like

[vale vapor]

yeah the year

[kind trail]

2010-2015

yeah just making sure

That reminds me

I wonder when it was that Djent basically took over Metalcore

Like, for a while this technical syncopated stuff was super niche

[vale vapor]

i kinda hate it cause like djent is cool but now it's become almost synonymous with modern metalcore 😭

i want more traditional melodic 578 riffs in modern metalcore, it's basically been phased out

[kind trail]

and then now everyone's tuning to like Drop Zb and what not

[vale vapor]

yep

[vale vapor]

i think more people are returning to that style though because of the myspace deathcore revival

its pulling some of the myspace metalcore guys back around

[kind trail]

@runic adder is very happy about that lmao

It's definitely nice seeing that come back

I sometimes like to go back and listen to Earthbound by Bury Tomorrow

Great album and great song

Honestly one of the best executions of that style of metalcore imo

idk if you know that band

[vale vapor]

only heard of em

[kind trail]

Listen to Earthbound

Incredible album

2016

I promise you, you'll love it

Drop Bb

The only reason I own a 6-string is to tune it to that tuning and play those songs every now and then

[vale vapor]

its pretty cool instrumentally but not a fan of the vocals at all

screams are fine

clean vocals are too deep for my liking

[kind trail]

HIh

Unfortunate

[vale vapor]

LOL

[kind trail]

The Deep vocals were a big draw for me

Since my voice is naturally that deep

[vale vapor]

yeah nah i mostly only listen to high male vox

my voice is naturally deep but i trained it to sing high

[kind trail]

Like Kellin Quinn, and whatnot

[vale vapor]

yeah

this is my jam

[kind trail]

Blocked by UMG 😢

[vale vapor]

bruhh

[kind trail]

wait no,

It works when opening in browser

[vale vapor]

oh yuh

do that

[kind trail]

but not on discord?

[vale vapor]

discord is goofy

[kind trail]

That's odd

[vale vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6aKrevMVOQ

also this type stuff

[kind trail]

You into Issues?

[vale vapor]

A little

i like their vocalist on features more than them themselves LOL

[kind trail]

You might like their Self-Titled Album and the Black Diamonds EP mostly

[vale vapor]

yeah ive heard it

[kind trail]

I'm lowkey partial to Headspace because it kinda goes nuts and is basically prog imo

but yeah

[vale vapor]

https://youtu.be/idCtQwn3e60

stuff like this too

ive always been a fan of electronic elements as well

[kind trail]

I See Stars then?

[runic adder]

I was pinged

[runic adder]

Oh yea fs

[kind trail]

no you weren't

stop being delusional

not everything is about you

[vale vapor]

yeah specifically their end of the world party album

[kind trail]

gaslighting isn't even a real word

[vale vapor]

i like their other stuff but that album specifically is peak

[runic adder]

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-gif-501081621266469291

[kind trail]

For me, I like EoTWP, but I reall really like New Demons, probably because that was my first ISS intro

[vale vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mw0qhQ3Aec

pure peak

[kind trail]

Low key their new album is shit tho

[vale vapor]

its mid 😭

[kind trail]

I cba to listen to it a second time man

I'm tired of using mid

It's shit

[vale vapor]

we need risecore to come back lol

it would make the scene less stale

its been 10 years at least

[kind trail]

I loathe that they obviously tried to replace all the screams with this whiny ass bitch gang vocals

[vale vapor]

YEAH I HATE THOSE

WHY DID THEY DO THAT

can devin not scream anymore?

[kind trail]

I don't know man

[vale vapor]

or are they trying to appeal to critics and be more radio friendly

[kind trail]

THAT"S THE THING

HE DOES SCREAM

ON THE ALBUM

[vale vapor]

😭

[kind trail]

LIKE ONCE

AND IT'S GREAT

[vale vapor]

i feel like modern cookiecutter core bands are just trying to supplement the lack of actual heaviness by just playing in super low tunings

but not having any real breakdowns or screams

[kind trail]

Dawg, I can't believe they kicked out Zach so they could put out this shit

[vale vapor]

😭

[kind trail]

New Demons was so peak

Treehouse I could vibe with

But like

Not this new album man

[kind trail]

Yeah no, it made me think of that one song from Arcane

when Jayce and Vi raid the Shimmer factories and those roided freaks show up

[vale vapor]

😭

[kind trail]

YEAH IT WAS PVRIS

I wanted to say PVRIS but I wasn't sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UprHuO_zCc

[vale vapor]

IT SOUNDS JUST LIKE IT WTF

[kind trail]

Exactly lmao

[vale vapor]

bro bring back edgy white boy music that doesnt appeal to the masses 😭

[kind trail]

Difference is, I actually like it here.

[vale vapor]

stop trying to appealllll

[kind trail]

It makes sense in that song

[vale vapor]

cause it isnt trying to be metal at the same time

[kind trail]

Exactly

I think it would have been a cool sound if it wasn't trying to obviously be a scream vocal stand in

On the ISS album

[vale vapor]

yup

[eager sphinx]

thoughts on this? just noodling along to a simple drum beat

[runic adder]

could use more blast beats

[vale vapor]

@kind trail https://youtu.be/b1tTYL6a95w

THIS IS SO PEAK

[kind trail]

No fucking kidding

It's way more bearable this way

It's actually really nice

[kind trail]

How are the vocals and the mix on this?

I always have a problem with overcooking vocals so I hope this works

[eager sphinx]

fair, i was just seeing what i can do with a simple drum beat tho

[balmy forum]

dude you songs are so fucking cool

i think i have nailed down productio for this one

[versed remnant]

thoughts on the mix? I'm trying my hand at some tech death metal so ignore my shitty playing

[tribal orbit]

recorded some vocals

[tender oak]

Got a decent slam instrumental from another writer online, wrote and recorded my own vocals over it. Recorded and mixed in Reaper. Let me know what yall think! 😁

[tender oak]

This has a very mid 2000s metalcore feel to it in everything from the vocals to the instrumentals and overall production. Actually a bop.

[tribal orbit]

That was the aim. Glad I could execute it

Thank you

I’ll give a listen to yours tmr

[tender oak]

Definitely nailed it. And sick thanks!

[finite coral]

kick good?

[balmy forum]

parkway drive vibes

sounds sick

[finite coral]

idk why i just dont send flac

[finite coral]

idk how i never heard of em

[balmy forum]

what!

[balmy forum]

the snare sounds a bit roomy

and i feel like the vocals might need a slight bit more reverb]]

[balmy forum]

spiritbox if it had a child with northlane, then had an affair with baby metal

[finite coral]

i kinda forgot to turn on reverb on guitars here but whatever its not that noticeable anyways

[real harness]

Hi, guys. So there has been a band/artist as of recent that is just pushing out basic metalcore slop. And what I find frustrating is that people eat this shit up. So, I kinda thought to myself, like how hard can it be to write a song in their style and this came out and because unlike that band/artist I am a broke 18 y.o. student I still need some advice on mixing/mastering etc... So please I'd love your opinions or criticism🙏🙏🙏
https://youtu.be/bYEu1eN0nAg?si=ppVBQCIILPHrTR0J

[tender oak]

Looking for feedback on the vocals here, first thing I produced in Reaper and first bit of writing and mixing I've done in a few years. Thanks!

[vale vapor]

guitar tone could use some work, and guitars are a little quiet. The kick and snare also kinda sound a little weird

a little thin

sounds good overall though, besides those few things

[tender oak]

Yeah I did what I could pulling sound out of the raw mp3 I downloaded. You should hear the original lol. My main focus was getting the vocals to sound good and clear.

Thanks man!

[vale vapor]

oh yeah vocals are very clear

my mistake

i didnt read the message above it

LOL

Vocals sound great

Disregard everything else i said LOL

[tender oak]

Lol all good, appreciate that brother! Felt good to shake the cobwebs off the mic for a change.

[vale vapor]

yes bro

[hollow tulip]

wip something
vocals may be added soon

[hollow tulip]

if you're looking for feedback mixing-wise, i'd say it's sufficient imo

[tender oak]

Sounds like a track from a Killing Floor 1 level

In the best way lol

This is blasting as I slow mo pop zombie heads with the MK42s

[hollow tulip]

if you're looking for a more modern metalcore sound, i suggest maybe making the kick more punchier and the snare more thicker

i know these are vague words i just can't describe the "how" part of the sound well enough, primarily because I don't consider myself a mixer; EZmix does like 60% of the work

[hollow tulip]

https://youtu.be/nDzwQfJzLZs?feature=shared
i think this may be useful

[tender oak]

This can be achieved through a medium to high ratio compression with a fast attack and medium to slow release. Try an optical compressor like any LA2A emulation. They're gorgeous on drums of all kind. Also run side compression at an incredibly high ratio with some sort of FET emulation like an 1176 on an aux send and blend to taste. Will bring your drums up in the mix without distorting or over clouding the rest of the mix. Also apply side compression to vocals, makes them sit above the mix.

[vale vapor]

1176 may be too fast for drums but good advice overall

might sound better blended like you said

[tender oak]

Yeah, the idea of parallel compression is like you do super fast attack compression with the longest release time at an incredibly high ratio (like 50:1) which if done directly would sound like shit but put on an aux send and blended up between like -30 to -20db will give it this dynamic and loud but not overpowering sound. I usually would run opto on the main track and then fet for parallel compression. HelpMeDevvon has a lovely explanation on YouTube about it that explains it better but it goes from sounding like a recording of drums and vocals to sounding like you're in the room next to the drummer or vocalist

[vale vapor]

oh yeah for sure

[tender oak]

Realest of real talks can I throw some vocals on this? I've listened to this quite a few times and have an idea or 7 for this. It does have a circus or dark theatre kinda feel to it and I can have some fun with that.

[fringe geode]

@vale vapor A bit of short demo but I have more to write.

Also I did not use my LTD SN-200 on this one for everyone else.

I used a Fendy Strat loaded with Laces.

[vale vapor]

This is fire

Listening on phone speakers so can't comment on the mix yet

I like it tho

[fringe geode]

Dankies ^_^

[hollow tulip]

Feel free to add some vocals as some sort of unofficial version. But know that I'm planning to use vocals of my own. Not ACTUALLY my vocals but by using Synthesizer V since I can't do vocals

Good luck :D

[halcyon holly]

1176 in parallel is fine

LA2A on snare is a bit cursed though icl

And on an 1176 the highest ratio is technically 20:1

Which no, is not “basically limiting”

Limiting is inf:1 among other changes to their design

Don’t know where people got the idea that limiters are compressors with hard ratios

[tender oak]

Yeah they're not. Limiters are super useful but they're not to be used in place of compression. Id sooner run a clipper on a drum track if it's seriously peaking so much.
And I specifically have the CLA-76 from Waves which has an "All" button which is virtually a 50:1 ratio which is nice for parallel, but yes typically the 1176 is limited to 20:1

[blissful cliff]

I'm actually pretty happy with a mix for once, it sounds half decent

@vale vapor I mixed it a bit louder than I normally do, to about -6

[fringe geode]

How do you guys handle your bass?

I feel comepletely lost on bass sometimes.

BTW here's a better mix

[vale vapor]

bass amp

LOL

Usually i use neural dsp parallax but recently ive been using old versions of podfarm for fun

challenging myself with more limited options

there's a good free bass amp called The Growler

[fringe geode]

Kek. I mean I get that but like idk. It could be my headphones (I'm not in a position to use speakers atm).

[vale vapor]

headphones dont really matter as long as they aren't total crap and you're used to how they sound

[fringe geode]

Normally I just use NDSP Parallax and just call it at day but I've been quite nitpicky lately.

[vale vapor]

the best parallax preset is arc reactor

[fringe geode]

Plus y'know. Tinnitus be a bitch sometimes.

[vale vapor]

that's the closest to a super clean modern bass tone

[vale vapor]

i think i got minor tinnitus too lol 😭 it sucks

[fringe geode]

Oh no I'm like half deaf in my right ear.

Playing a Mesa half stack with no ear pro as a teenager really messes with you lol.

[fringe geode]

But yeah I don't know. I'm not a big fan of Neural's presets. Sometimes they're good like the Jacob Umansky ones. But then others are pure dog shit (sorry Jon Stockman. Love ya but your Parallax presets suck).

[tender oak]

Compression is key. Waves RBass is basically a cheat code. But you can get the same effect with other compressors.

[vale vapor]

DANG BRO

[vale vapor]

arc reactor is perfect imo

i use arc reactor every time then adjust per the needs of the current song's mix

[vale vapor]

yes

bass sounds like crap uncompressed

in metal at least

[tender oak]

Opto compressors make bass sound gorgeous. You can get the brainworx opto pedal for free and use it on just about anything.

[vale vapor]

yes

[tender oak]

Opto makes everything sound gorgeous tbh lmao

[fringe geode]

Lol yeah. Went to local rehearsal studio a lot when I was in a band and used em almost exclusively (for the record, they were usually old 2 channel Dual Rectos. Sometimes Triple Recs and sometimes og multiwatt Rectos that sounded like ass).

[fringe geode]

I'll give it a try next time then.

[tender oak]

Tbh the Waves free pack and the Plugin Alliance free pack are OP. All you would need to get started on home mixing and mastering.

Tons of tools with tons of features.

[fringe geode]

My issue with those packs is that you usually gotta make an account. And I avoid those like the plague lol.

[tender oak]

Not me. I'll make 20 for extra licenses lmao

Especially on those free giveaways. Got a bank a license for if I ever change PCs and they try to fuck me lmao

[fringe geode]

A lot of my freeware I don't gotta do that.

I just download and go. No license required.

Makes it less of a hassle.

[tender oak]

Behold: The row of plugin downloaders. It is awful, yet glorious.

[fringe geode]

Jesus fuckin Christ.

Lol I haven't paid for Reaper.

I should but I'm a cheap ass lol.

[tender oak]

Nor have I, nor have many. But hey, should I ever want to commercially release something it's only $60

[fringe geode]

Trooo.

Reaper is goated for that.

[vale vapor]

90% of my workflow is free plugins

Ive been trying to find a replacement for saturn 2 but i haven't found one

also ozone

ozone is unbeatable 😭

specifically the limiter

I used to use the EQ but not anymore cause i've noticed it introduced some weird distortion i wasn't liking

(maybe that's the "vintage" mode on the EQ doing that or something)

[fringe geode]

Pro Q does?

[vale vapor]

Ozone built in EQ

[fringe geode]

Oooohhh

[vale vapor]

I use TDR nova as my daily EQ, couldn't be happier

has everything i want in an EQ

[tender oak]

They have that WinRAR Trail setup which I greatly appreciate. I used Pro Tools Intro for a few years and learned the ropes. Realized 8 audio tracks wasnt enough for solo writing. It's good for covers but when you're tryna do reverb throws and layers on layers, nah. In comes Reaper with as many tracks as my CPU can handle. We love Reaper for that.

I'm mostly on the Waves ecosphere. Renaissance plugins are peak.

[vale vapor]

simple and fast workflow too

[fringe geode]

I just saw a free EQ plugin today hol up

https://youtu.be/4uY5oCSB_cc?

Dis one.

Completely free on github.

[vale vapor]

oh yeah i have that one

there's a few workflow things that are dealbreakers for me that TDR nova has and does better

but for those looking for an almost exact Pro Q replacement, that's the best one

[fringe geode]

Like wot. Just out of curiosity.

[vale vapor]

Scroll wheel to adjust curve slope instead of Q

With ZL EQ i have to constantly click dropdown menus to get it to do what i want

whereas with Nova it's all keyboard/mouse shortcuts and buttons in plain view

I can work much faster in TDR Nova because of that

[fringe geode]

Fair enough. I'll probably play around with it tho just cuz it free.

[vale vapor]

Oh yeah for sure it has some great features

just doesnt fit my workflow

[fringe geode]

Sometimes I need moar that 4 bands that Nova gives me.

[vale vapor]

there's a version of nova that has like 10 bands

TDR Nova GE

[fringe geode]

And while I like ReaEQ, it does something to the signal I don't always like.

[vale vapor]

im just cheap 😂

[fringe geode]

Lol I felt that.

[vale vapor]

probably gonna get GE at some point

TDR is one of the best plugin developers right now imo

they have some insanely good stuff

like TDR Prism

Kotelnikov

Molotok

[fringe geode]

I just tried out the precise+ mode on Nova. I didn't have to go as hard when cutting.

[vale vapor]

yes

[fringe geode]

I'm like

[vale vapor]

my most used plugins of all time are likely reacomp and nova LOL

[fringe geode]

Oh I use Kotelnikov on everything I do.

[vale vapor]

its so good right??

https://youtu.be/1CHFv4mWQYM

heres this just to post it btw

[fringe geode]

All the work you've heard from me has Kotelnikov.

[vale vapor]

i need to use it more honestly

[fringe geode]

I specifically use it on drums, drum bus, and master.

[vale vapor]

yesss

[fringe geode]

I haven't quite figure out Molotok.

And it annoys me XD

[vale vapor]

@tender oak i recently got UA's LA2A cause it was free for a limited time

i need to test it out

[vale vapor]

😂

[tender oak]

Bro I found out about that 3 days after it ended I was so sad

[vale vapor]

LOL

[tender oak]

The teletronix is likely the best one on the market

You have a great plugin there

[fringe geode]

So I use Analog Obssessions FET compressor in its place. It's extremely subtle but certain things its great.

[vale vapor]

any gem freewares you guys like?

[tender oak]

I tried the AO plugins. The only one I liked in comparison to the real deals was the BusterSE which emulated the SSLG Bus comp. It's decent. I found the FET mudy and LALA to be just okay.

[fringe geode]

Analog Obssession's got some good stuff and it's all free. I use their SSL eq all the time.

[tender oak]

Yeah its not bad at all. I got a lot of what those emulate as part of big bundle sales from waves and was able to do direct 1:1s. For freeware, theyre definitely great.

[vale vapor]

Imma try that out

Dude reaper's 1176 JS clone is great

It sounds buttery smooth on vocals

[tender oak]

BusterSE is actually a pretty good bus compressor when you click the logo and put it in Overdrive

[vale vapor]

Its called 1175 lol

[fringe geode]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/ssq-54598496

[vale vapor]

Ooo

[fringe geode]

It's not as in depth as the one from waves you see all the big pros on YouTube use but it gets the job done.

[vale vapor]

The main reason im trying to move most of my workflow to free plugins is to prove a point

[runic adder]

TSE R47 pedal

[vale vapor]

You can get a industry standard professional sounding mix and master with only free stuff

[runic adder]

Emulates a Rat fuzz pedal, which is the predecessor to the big muff that knocked loose uses

[vale vapor]

I have the TSE 808 its pretty good

I like mercurials version a little more tho

The TSC 1.1

[fringe geode]

Lol I'm only using this free stuff cuz I ain't got money like that XD

I think I've gotten pretty far with free stuff.

[vale vapor]

Oh yeah your mixes sound great

[fringe geode]

Tank you my doot!

God I'm brainrotted lol...

[vale vapor]

LOL

[runic adder]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-11566441

[fringe geode]

https://tenor.com/view/jazzskull-trumpet-skull-doot-doot-gif-3005205123992593904

[runic adder]

Got the Arch Gojira brainrot for so long I forgot how good granophyre sounds

Only thing holding this mix back now is that the guitars were recorded with dead strings

[vale vapor]

Noooo

that sucks lmao

[fringe geode]

I can't remember the last time I've changed strings.

[vale vapor]

bro

[runic adder]

Yeah I was too broke for strings for a minute there lol

[fringe geode]

Then again Elixirs and Dadarrios last a LOOOOONG fuckin time.

[vale vapor]

you gotta change em when they get dead 😂

[runic adder]

That was the last thing I recorddd on my Schecter before the strings rusted and broke LMAO

[vale vapor]

LOL

[runic adder]

I think the strings snapped while recording actually

[fringe geode]

I usually use those NYXLs from Daddario and they last a good while.

[runic adder]

The 5th string snapped while I was recording that lead so I had to pop my 6 string on it

[vale vapor]

nyxl is great

[fringe geode]

And the Elixirs on my LTD ain't dead yet.

2 years still goin.

[runic adder]

Daddario is great, but got hella inconvenient once I started needed custom gauges on my strings

[vale vapor]

Stringjoy

[runic adder]

Now I use stringjoy for everything but my basses

[vale vapor]

YES

[runic adder]

Yeah

Except

[vale vapor]

my goats

[runic adder]

THEY STOPPED DOING BASS CUSTOMS

BASTARDS

[vale vapor]

wow

[fringe geode]

Lol

[runic adder]

So I need to switch to kalium which is DOUBLE THE PRICE PER SET

BASTARDS

[fringe geode]

My dad gave me a bunch of bass strings from Ampeg I think.

Still in the box.

Never used from when he did play so I'm good for a bit XD.

[runic adder]

Lmao

Nice

[fringe geode]

Only one teeeeny issue.

The bass I use is a Thunderbird.

: - )

[tender oak]

Test take of Like a Villian by Bad Omens. Single take. I kind of hate singing with the original singer if that makes sense. I feel like it throws me off in my headphones.

[vale vapor]

i usually track my vox with one ear off and that helps

[vale vapor]

pretty fire though i like it

ive only ever heard like 2 bad omens songs so

[tender oak]

They're a single band now. First album was fire. Ever since they've kind of been an industry push, like they have the entirety of Sumerian behind them. So basically they just have a few very good singles per mostly safe albums now. First one had some not so mainstream music on it. :/

But Villian is a banger lol

And thank you!

[vale vapor]

yeahh really true

i hope in 2026 we get a resurgence of non-octanecore metal

[tender oak]

Yeah octanecore is cool every once in awhile, a band will pull off a neat sounding one, but for the most part it's all just Imagine Dragons with more distortion lmao

[vale vapor]

yep 😭

[hollow tulip]

Realest

[hollow tulip]

something

[runic adder]

Niiice

[runic adder]

You mean to tell me dethrone isn’t a mainstream friendly song? Since when smh

[runic adder]

Something something sleep token

[tender oak]

something something sleep token 😂

[tender oak]

Thank you kindly!

[versed remnant]

so i got my first seven string and i'm really messing with drop g and i was wondering if anyone had any good virtual bass plugins that can do drop d.. i've done lower by pitch shifting modobass before but it never sounded very good so any suggestions would be helpful, i'm trying to budget to around $50 at most so

[versed remnant]

I’m thinking about doing the sanguine bass from solemn tones, does anyone know anyghing better thats closer to my price range? Sanguine comes out to $65

[balmy forum]

cool song (its a cover)

[versed remnant]

i went with sanguine and i really think it fits the bill but its also time to chgange up my mix to fit the lower tunings so advice plz!!

[versed remnant]

i think i have an idea of a mix @tribal orbit @vale vapor

[tribal orbit]

This is leagues better than what you were doing a year ago, good shit

I’ll listen on headphones in a sec

But through speakers it sounds a lot better

[vale vapor]

drums sound pretty good, though guitars are quiet

turn up the room mics on your drums, they sound pretty narrow and small

for a mix like this i'd definitely be using a ton of room mics

especially on the snare

[versed remnant]

This is mostly just thanks to you bro like ur mixes have inspired me to get my shit together and actually take this shit seriously

[versed remnant]

I thought about that so i need to figure out my compression settings

Bc thats the reason

[versed remnant]

Okok

[versed remnant]

Yeah its really hard to figure out how to emulate good room mics bc its just samples but i have everything routed to a serperate drum buss that filters out everything below like 100 htz and just a goo amount of room reverb and it sounds pretty decent, i have been wanting to make my snare sound more roomy so i’ve been tbinking about making it its own room bus that focuses mids instead of highs to bring out the snare more

And just a shit ton more verb

[versed remnant]

Okok lmk what u think

[vale vapor]

Do you not have any room mics?

what drum vst are you using?

also are you filtering EVERYTHING below 100hz out?? your entire drum bus?

[versed remnant]

Just the room mics emulation bus

[versed remnant]

I don’t think krihm has room mics bc i’m not changing too much all i really have going on is some eq shaping and some compression

[vale vapor]

Oh bro you cant emulate rooms

Gotta use the real thing

Rooms are THE most important mics

Close mics only capture a stick hitting skin. Room mics capture the actual sound of the shells

[vale vapor]

It definitely should

I don't think there are many drum plugins without rooms

[versed remnant]

It might be in the paid version or something

I’m too poor to afford paid drums

If i had that kind of money i’d mic up my kit

[vale vapor]

Nah dude

It says it has multiple mic choices

[vale vapor]

Most of my mixes are with free drums

Do yourself a favor get Liquid Death Snare, it's free

Just replace your snare with the liquid death snare

And use the room mics

[versed remnant]

I have liquid death snare i honestly don’t lnow how to dial it for a tone i really like

I really like how the krihm one sounds

[vale vapor]

Then look up a tutorial on krimh drums

[versed remnant]

Okayokay

[vale vapor]

The key is sidechaining the room mics to the close mic

And then compressing it together

Room mics are THE most important part of drums

Without them your drums will sound stale and flat

[versed remnant]

Do you use resper?

[vale vapor]

Yes

[versed remnant]

Do you know if i can have just one midi track that routes out to other tracks to trigger the sound

[vale vapor]

Wdym

[versed remnant]

Like i have the midi programmed on one track, but other tracks register the midi for certain things like the cymbals or the kick and such bc its so annoying having to hop between each midi for each individual thing

[vale vapor]

What?

Your midi should all be on one track

[versed remnant]

It

Is not

[vale vapor]

send a screenshot of what your drums looks like

[versed remnant]

I have each part eqed and stuff differently

[vale vapor]

Right

but your MIDI should be on one track

[vale vapor]

How tf

your drums should look like this bro

One midi track to trigger everything, with audio being sent out to separate channels

[versed remnant]

how do i make it do that

[vale vapor]

Routing

[versed remnant]

i wil lwatch this and return to you

[vale vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=reaper+metal+drum+routing

[vale vapor]

oops

that one was for a specific vst

one sec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS2vz0iuaN0

@versed remnant

But im also going to say

You don't need each mic routed out to separate channels

unless you're trying to get hyper specific

Just route all kick mics to st.1, snare mics to st.2, toms to st.3, oh to st.4 and room to st.5

[versed remnant]

i have it oh's on one, toms on one, snare on one and kick on one

or kind of

i use individual channels for each

because krihm free version doesn't allow routing

which is why i have it set up this way

[vale vapor]

Bro you need to use a different kit then

You have to multi route drums lol

Especially in metal

[versed remnant]

what would u reccomend for metal

[vale vapor]

Combine kits

ML drums has some good shells

Liquid death snare

Plus anything else for cymbals and toms

You can stack them all on one track, and route them out to different channels

Just make sure you're using stuff that has room mics

[versed remnant]

okayokay

[vale vapor]

Every mix i do with free drums is usually a combination of different free kits

Or samples

[versed remnant]

im installing ml modular drum sampler

[vale vapor]

another good one is Poise

it allows you to set up velocity samples and multi route

it's free

it doesn't come with any samples

[versed remnant]

i'll check out ml and then look into that one

[vale vapor]

ill screen record a little thingy showing how i do my free drums

[versed remnant]

okok

[vale vapor]

@versed remnant

this is what my routing looks like

[versed remnant]

i figured it out!

i just need to figure out what sounds i wanna use

@vale vapor

[vale vapor]

Lets gooo!!!

[tribal orbit]

I think the biggest thing would be bring back some of the sizzle in the guitars thats nbeing supplemented by the backing synth. The kick could use a little more high mid definition too

[tribal orbit]

oh okay, just listened to this one now

the kick is a little too loud in comparison to the rest of the kit now

[balmy forum]

I know that drum kit from a mile away

ml drums is sick, i used it before i swapped to ggd nu metal

[versed remnant]

I’m not using any backing synth, do you means the chord synths?

[versed remnant]

Okay got it

[versed remnant]

Yeah it doesn’t sound have bad but i am gonna change the snare but i fw the other sounds

[tribal orbit]

Ye the airy synths and all that

[versed remnant]

how do i fix it

should i boost mids a little

[tribal orbit]

It’s more like somewhere in the high/high mids

Like the sizzle

[versed remnant]

okok, so a slight bump in the high mids

[tribal orbit]

For the guitars

[versed remnant]

do all the guitars have the lack of

or do i have to do it on my individual eqs

[tribal orbit]

You can do it on the guitar group rather than each one if you want

[versed remnant]

okok

how sthis

kick turned down plus i took out some of the mids in the guitar for when i put vocals on, killed everything below like 80hs on guitars and boosted 3k

[balmy forum]

thing

[tribal orbit]

Sounds better. I’d drop that boost to like 1.5-2 rather than 4, however

[versed remnant]

Okok

[balmy forum]

eyyyyy ozone

[vale vapor]

Yeah i generally try to cut more than bpost

Boost

You can always boost, but keep it to a minimum

[fathom jewel]

the vocal harmonies at 2:34 are killing me 🥀 😭

[real harness]

Yeah, I kinda set a goal to myself to not overthink this song too much like I usually do, so I got bit lazy with the bridge🙏

And also apparently people like terrible autotune in metalcore nowadays so🤷‍♀️

[finite coral]

snare better?

[versed remnant]

@tribal orbit @vale vapor Ignore that i can't sing for shit but i have vocal tests in there with a vocal test mix, also made some slight modifications to guitar + drums

[tender oak]

10 minute remix for funsies

[finite coral]

ohy

need this

[tender oak]

I re-eqd it with two different eqs (rEQ 6 at the track level for surgical equing and then a Maag 4EQ emulation on the master for color) and used a compressor chain to pull the dynamics out. Raxx into rbass into rcompressor opto mode.

[halcyon holly]

fun fact, that "all" button isn't a ratio button

[tender oak]

Yeah, it's not a traditional ratio setting but it's close to what like a 50:1 would be in terms of what it does to the sound.

[halcyon holly]

Absolutley not lol

The difference between 20:1 and 50:1 would be very minor

everything else it does is what makes that button so incredibly useful

I also don't know where you're getting 50:1 from, that seems made up

[tender oak]

Various explanations of the plugin from Waves producers on YouTube.

[halcyon holly]

Go ahead and link

https://www.promusic.cz/sites/default/files/product/field_files/cla-76-compressor-limiter.pdf

in the user guide, 50:1 isn't mentioned once

[tender oak]

HelpMeDevvon specifically mentioned it in his parallel compression video detailing the plugin and the dude with the long hair and glasses on the actual waves channel broke it down that way. It's a lamens terms way of explaining what the all button does. It's not a 50:1 button but it's a high ratio that hits "all." They just described it that way comparing it to other compressors as a means to understand what it's doing.

https://youtu.be/3FjI79lMHDU?si=dN0MtNr4RYNmVoZJ

[halcyon holly]

To underline all this, here's whats actually happening:

There isn't a single fixed "effective" ratio in all in mode, because the pushbuttons are mechanically shorting parts of the resistor network together in ways the circuit wasn't designed for. But tests and measurements (UA, Hairball Audio, Rev F reverse-engineering) have shown that the input level directly changes the ratio in this mode, that threshold is variable too (usually lower in all in mode) and that the release becomes multi-stage (program dependent) and a multiple time constant that works partially paralleled

Again, all of this is from the waves manual, not a youtuber

p.s., i wrote a paper on this (go to the appendix, and you'll find transfer function measurements)
https://jmp.sh/qCAXPZEF

[tender oak]

So in lamens terms it's compressing at a high ratio. Which is all that comparison was saying. Did you come here just to argue with an old comment or...?

[halcyon holly]

No, that's incorrect

[tender oak]

Okay.

[halcyon holly]

I don't know how you got "ratio becomes higher" from program dependent lmao

If all that was happening was the ratio became higher, they would've just put "50:1" as a ratio option

In fact, it's basically everything else that becomes different

[tender oak]

Bro linked a white paper lmao. Its a comparison to other compressors to help understand what it's doing relayed from producers who have been using the plugin for years. No one cares it's not directly a 50:1 button nor that it's higher nor that it's dynamic based on the input, the explanation of what it's being used for in parallel compression carries. It's a lamens terms comparison which are never 1:1. I didn't think I'd have to explain broad comparison to someone over the internet.

Like brother you don't need to correct people on the 1s and 0s. The compressor works that way.